SLC vs. Lufkin - Mistakes Will Decide It

[SLCDad]

Mistakes (forced or otherwise) will determine who wins this week's game between SLC and Lufkin.

Plano took away the big play and forced SLC to pass short and run the ball. They knew that if they made SLC grind it out, mistakes would be made (or forced). Statistically, Abilene was closer to SLC but the turnovers resulted in a score that was much different. SV almost beat SLC in 2004 by forcing turnovers even though their yardage differential was -200 yards.

If SLC does not have turnovers they will beat Lufkin. Their offense is to strong and their defense is good. If Lufkin can take advantage of their great defensive strength and speed by forcing SLC to grind it out and make mistakes they will win.

...........................SLC......Abilene
First Downs.............19.........18
Total Yards............479.......273
Yards Differential....+206....-206
Turnovers................0..........4
Score....................52.........0

...........................SLC.......Plano
First Downs.............36.........14
Total Yards............574.......318
Yards Differential...+256......-256
Turnovers.................3..........1
Score....................37........27

[southlake thug]

Dodge won't let them have 2 sloppy weeks in a row. They will get there stuff together and be ready to play on Sat.

[PACKMAN]

Dodge won't let them have 2 sloppy weeks in a row. They will get there stuff together and be ready to play on Sat.


Your probably right, but I suspect the Lufkin "D" might have some say in the matter:cool:

[implacable44]

Dodge won't let them have 2 sloppy weeks in a row. They will get there stuff together and be ready to play on Sat.


good honest post SLCDAD -

Thug - is Coach Dodge going to play this week ? Is he going to throw the ball so Greg doesn't have any picks or catch it so it doesn't bounce of Mckays hands into the opposing team for an INT ? Is he going to make the pitch for Greg so there aren't any fumbles ( side note - now we now why Mcelroy never likes to pitch the ball on the option).

[Favpack]

Good point Dad - a +3 or more turnover margin could spell doom for either team. Thug - agree that Coach Dodge will preach ball protection this week, but, obviously doesn't mean that carries over to game time results - we'll see.

[LufkinPanthers2008]

Mistakes (forced or otherwise) will determine who wins this week's game between SLC and Lufkin.

Plano took away the big play and forced SLC to pass short and run the ball. They knew that if they made SLC grind it out, mistakes would be made (or forced). Statistically, Abilene was closer to SLC but the turnovers resulted in a score that was much different. SV almost beat SLC in 2004 by forcing turnovers even though their yardage differential was -200 yards.

If SLC does not have turnovers they will beat Lufkin. Their offense is to strong and their defense is good. If Lufkin can take advantage of their great defensive strength and speed by forcing SLC to grind it out and make mistakes they will win.

...........................SLC......Abilene
First Downs.............19.........18
Total Yards............479.......273
Yards Differential....+206....-206
Turnovers................0..........4
Score....................52.........0

...........................SLC.......Plano
First Downs.............36.........14
Total Yards............574.......318
Yards Differential...+256......-256
Turnovers.................3..........1
Score....................37........27


damn right mistakes will decide it slc offense just doesnt have to watch hewitt chris brown is also a shutdown corner as well so is cecil jenkins , jamie harris , darrius terry ,danquon landry , and joe jackson etc.

[dragonfootballfan]

who do you think will make more mistakes?

Carroll or Lufkin.

[LufkinPanthers2008]

who do you think will make more mistakes?

Carroll or Lufkin.

carroll because while their main focus will be on hewitt they will froget about the rest of the defense and their b will make a vital mistake

[slcsportsfan]

Wouldn't suprise me at all if this game comes down to the wire like the others. Always like it when these two programs play.

[dragonfootballfan]

carroll because while their main focus will be on hewitt they will froget about the rest of the defense and their b will make a vital mistake
even though Lufkin will be putting a quarterback out there with almost no experience? I guess a defense that has had over 20 points put up on them in 3 out of 4 games in the playoffs is awesome.

[LufkinPanthers2008]

even though Lufkin will be putting a quarterback out there with almost no experience? I guess a defense that has had over 20 points put up on them in 3 out of 4 games in the playoffs is awesome.

u under estimate ralph and yes our defense has over 20 points put up against them the fact is when it was time to step up we stepped up and walked out with the win

[dragonfootballfan]

u under estimate ralph and yes our defense has over 20 points put up against them the fact is when it was time to step up we stepped up and walked out with the win
I don't underestimate the back up quarterback. It is just logic. A team with a quarterback that has played 14 games is less prone to mistakes than one that has not started a single gam.

[SLCDad]

Jerry's computer power rankings indicate SLC is an 11+ point favorite. That's about right IMO. That does not take into account any injuries on either team.

[southlake thug]

good honest post SLCDAD -

Thug - is Coach Dodge going to play this week ? Is he going to throw the ball so Greg doesn't have any picks or catch it so it doesn't bounce of Mckays hands into the opposing team for an INT ? Is he going to make the pitch for Greg so there aren't any fumbles ( side note - now we now why Mcelroy never likes to pitch the ball on the option).


I never said Dodge would play, or anything relevant to that. As a coach I expect him to motivate and teach ball control and playing smart this week. Is that really that hard for you to understand?

But as usual you just try to find anything wrong with SLC and completly blow out of proportion what has been said. It is cool though, everyone on here realizes that and thats is why none of your SLC related responses can be taken seriously.

[implacable44]

I never said Dodge would play, or anything relevant to that. As a coach I expect him to motivate and teach ball control and playing smart this week. Is that really that hard for you to understand?

But as usual you just try to find anything wrong with SLC and completly blow out of proportion what has been said. It is cool though, everyone on here realizes that and thats is why none of your SLC related responses can be taken seriously.


joe - er thug - it is irrelevant. you made a comment and i replied to it. Dodge can get them game ready all he wants but your hero is still the one who has to execute. - he threw three picks against Plano - hopefully this week he will be mistake free. You find something right with SLC and blow it out of proportion and exaggerate it to no end. I am pretty sure Dodge teaches ball control every week.

[PurpleNation]

The Lufkin derfense has forced mistakes all season and the SLC offense has limited them. I can't see Carroll coming into this game and score at will. The Lufkin defense is better then given credit for and I like our chances with our speed on both sides of the ball. I will stick with my final prediction of a 35-28 Lufkin "W".

[southlake thug]

joe - er thug - it is irrelevant. you made a comment and i replied to it. Dodge can get them game ready all he wants but your hero is still the one who has to execute. - he threw three picks against Plano - hopefully this week he will be mistake free. You find something right with SLC and blow it out of proportion and exaggerate it to no end. I am pretty sure Dodge teaches ball control every week.

I realize MC played poorly this past week and I will be the first to criticize. He made 2 absoultly awful throws that almost cost SLC the game.

I was just saying that Dodge would emphasize ball control more this week due to the sloppy play last week.

[dragonfootballfan]

I realize MC played poorly this past week and I will be the first to criticize. He made 2 absoultly awful throws that almost cost SLC the game.

I was just saying that Dodge would emphasize ball control more this week due to the sloppy play last week.
he made bad throws, but to say he had an awful performance is overly critical. He did lead the dragons to a comeback win.

[southlake thug]

he made bad throws, but to say he had an awful performance is overly critical. He did lead the dragons to a comeback win.


I never said he had an awful performance.. I said he made 2 awful throws, which resulted in int...

That was by no way one of his best performances.

Trust me, I would be the last person to criticze his game.

[dragonfootballfan]

I never said he had an awful performance.. I said he made 2 awful throws, which resulted in int...

That was by no way one of his best performances.

Trust me, I would be the last person to criticze his game.
I just reread your post and I guess I mixed up awful and poorly. I apologize

[LUFPAN]

Jerry's computer power rankings indicate SLC is an 11+ point favorite. That's about right IMO. That does not take into account any injuries on either team.

Does it take into account home field advantage?

[pack0808]

The Lufkin derfense has forced mistakes all season and the SLC offense has limited them. I can't see Carroll coming into this game and score at will. The Lufkin defense is better then given credit for and I like our chances with our speed on both sides of the ball. I will stick with my final prediction of a 35-28 Lufkin "W".


The Lufkin defense was called the best in the state by most sites and poster's all season. They lived up to the hype in the regular season vs mediocre to poor competition. But they have not played a complete 4 quarters in the playoffs vs a very good offense yet. (South Garland was a above average offense but nothing great)Like i said, The panther d has looked great for a half but not 4 quarters vs a top offensive team. They should be doubted a little. I know the defense is loaded with talent though. The secondary is going to have to do a better job and the front 4-7 (depending on blitz) need to get pressure. Lufkin has to be aggressive and take chances. Mix up the coverages. ALL out blitz on one down to dropping 7 or 8 on the next. They need to be aggressive "blitz" most of the time though. Lufkin has to rely on their speed and hope the secondary can hold up man to man. This is just my armchair qb opinion. Hold Newton down and come after Mcelroy. He is not near as mobile as the 2 previous Chase's. Easier said then done though, because Newton is a very good rb and the SLC o-line is always one of the best. We will see what happens. I refuse to get into the trash talk anymore this week though. just unecessary and silly sometimes. SLC and Lufkin are 2 great and respectable 5a powers and us fans should act like it. Nothing wrong with a little innocent smack talk but i get burned out when it gets this deep in the playoffs and it is reapeated every day each week before the game. Tiresome.

[pack98]

i agree with the above post. the lufkin D will have to play 4 quarters of Football make it 5 to leave no doubt (haha). they have to mix and match the coverages no when to blitz and not to blitz. make the confussed.

our D must give our O good field position this week punt returns and kickoffs are key lets get good field position. I doubt that SLC will do what most team have done all season and kick it short to the pack were we start our O at the 30. our d played 2 great qrts agains CC and the 3-4 well they played it close but came on stong when it counted if they can play like they did the whole game against cove then SLC is going to be in trouble the Pack D got after CC that first half they put on a show. they just have to keep it up after the half.

the thing with the turnover is that we must score everytime if we get a turnover and make them pay for it we can't get 3 we have to get the 7.Limit the flags again this week and the key to all

GO OUT AND HAVE FUN THIS IS THE GREATEST TIME IN THERE LIVES.HAVE FUN AND PLAY LOOSE AND GOOD THINGS WILL HAPPEN.

GO PANTHERS

[PurpleNation]

The Lufkin defense was called the best in the state by most sites and poster's all season. They lived up to the hype in the regular season vs mediocre to poor competition. But they have not played a complete 4 quarters in the playoffs vs a very good offense yet. (South Garland was a above average offense but nothing great)Like i said, The panther d has looked great for a half but not 4 quarters vs a top offensive team. They should be doubted a little. I know the defense is loaded with talent though. The secondary is going to have to do a better job and the front 4-7 (depending on blitz) need to get pressure. Lufkin has to be aggressive and take chances. Mix up the coverages. ALL out blitz on one down to dropping 7 or 8 on the next. They need to be aggressive "blitz" most of the time though. Lufkin has to rely on their speed and hope the secondary can hold up man to man. This is just my armchair qb opinion. Hold Newton down and come after Mcelroy. He is not near as mobile as the 2 previous Chase's. Easier said then done though, because Newton is a very good rb and the SLC o-line is always one of the best. We will see what happens. I refuse to get into the trash talk anymore this week though. just unecessary and silly sometimes. SLC and Lufkin are 2 great and respectable 5a powers and us fans should act like it. Nothing wrong with a little innocent smack talk but i get burned out when it gets this deep in the playoffs and it is reapeated every day each week before the game. Tiresome.

I like the way Oklahoma State and Texas play Texas Tech. Blitz and drop everybody back and send 2 men at times. Just like you said Pack0808 Lufkin will need to mix up coverage and keep SLC's McElroy guessing. I like Lufkin for the simple fact that we have more speed on both sides of the ball. I have faith that Coach Quick has a scheme right now designed for SLC. We have seen Longview fall Clemens,Westfield bite the dust. Lets see which giant hits the deck next.

[dragonfootballfan]

I like the way Oklahoma State and Texas play Texas Tech. Blitz and drop everybody back and send 2 men at times. Just like you said Pack0808 Lufkin will need to mix up coverage and keep SLC's McElroy guessing. I like Lufkin for the simple fact that we have more speed on both sides of the ball. I have faith that Coach Quick has a scheme right now designed for SLC. We have seen Longview fall Clemens,Westfield bite the dust. Lets see which giant hits the deck next.
don't even begin to compare those teams to either Lufkin or Carroll. Both Carroll and Lufkin have won championships in this millenium and have proven that they are more than just hype and an easy schedule.

[football fanatic]

Every QB is going to make some bad throws.....especially when the defense is pressuring you......

Instead of the negative why don't you talk about some of McElroy's 32 completions???? Or the play where a Plano defender almost took his head off but McElroy shrugged him off to complete a long pass to Dodge on a critical 3rd down play??? Or him running over a Plano defender on the goal line to stretch SLC's lead to 10???

It's amazing to me how some people on these boards continue to be critical of this 17 year old kid....

All of these kids do the best they can...and some under unbelievable pressure from their community.

I'm curious as to how many snaps implacc has ever taken under center???

[toonman]

Looking at the 4 Play-off Games by each team, SLC had one close game only vs Plano and an average margin of victory of 36 points, whereas Lufkin appear to have played 4 close games with a average margin of victory of 14 points. The Play-off numbers are as follows :-

SLC Points Scored : 46
SLC Points Against : 16
SLC Margin of Victory : 27

Lufkin Points Scored : 35
Lufkin Points Against : 22
Lufkin Margin of Victory : 11

A quick analysis shows that SLC scores more points and concedes fewer points, with a much greater margin of victory. SLC is known for Offense, but there is definitely a good defense that has given up fewer points than Lufkin. In addition, SLC combined record of Play-off opponents is 43-7, where as Lufkin’s is 37-13. It also appears that SLC had the harder route to the semi-finals. It appears that the numbers favor Southlake.

[PantherStang84]

It also appears that SLC had the harder route to the semi-finals.

Really? Please explain.

[SLC Dragon Fan]

Really? Please explain.


I think it's obvious from his post what he meant. He stated that the SLC playoff opponents were 43-7 while Lufkin's were 37-13. Those records include the losses to SLC and Lufkin. That means that the SLC opponents were 43-3 before playing SLC compared to 37-9 for Lufkin. Doesn't that look like a harder route to the semifinals for SLC to you.

[toonman]

Really? Please explain.

I made that comment based on combined records of Play-off opponents. SLC is 43-7, where as Lufkin’s is 37-13. This is just a quick overview of the numbers - that's all. If you wish to put a counter argument - please do. That is what this forum is for - a respectfull exchange of ideas, views and opinions.

[drgnbkr]

I made that comment based on combined records of Play-off opponents. SLC is 43-7, where as Lufkin’s is 37-13. This is just a quick overview of the numbers - that's all. If you wish to put a counter argument - please do. That is what this forum is for - a respectfull exchange of ideas, views and opinions.

I don't know about respectful...some have ideas, a view, and lots of opinions....:D

[BAMF cowboy]

well SLC have played all undefeated teams in the playoffs, except for one who lost to a team currently in the Div 1 championship game. Some very quality opponents.

[dragonfootballfan]

well SLC have played all undefeated teams in the playoffs, except for one who lost to a team currently in the Div 1 championship game. Some very quality opponents.
I think you are forgetting Allen. I think that they had two losses going into the playoffs. Either way Carroll's opponents in the playoffs had lost a combined three games going into their game with Carroll.

[POB]

Dont mistakes determine every game?

[dragonsdaddy]

the bu lp qb may have the game of his life.....well in fact it will be the game of his life. and therein lies the problem for him and the lp offense. the qb has taken less than 30 snaps for his career. i will be expecting him to have lots of blitz packages and odd defenses to interpret. how he'll respond is anybody's guess. wishful thinkers want him to be trained up and a vet qb after 1 1/2 qtrs of play. other wisers expect a rookie athlete, with wide eyes and happy feet. i expect some of each will be in nac sat.

[pack0808]

I made that comment based on combined records of Play-off opponents. SLC is 43-7, where as Lufkin’s is 37-13. This is just a quick overview of the numbers - that's all. If you wish to put a counter argument - please do. That is what this forum is for - a respectfull exchange of ideas, views and opinions.


Well it was widely agreed upon (including this site) that 5adiv2 region 2 was the toughest region of them all and Lufkin won it. The records got twisted a little when 4 loss SG team beat an undefeated Lobo squad. Lufkin has givin up less points then SLC if you are going by the whole season and not just the playoff games. It is easy to twist numbers to make them sound better. Lufkin has faced two of the best (highest scoring) offense's in the state in Hay's and Cove so that plays a part also. Lufkin still held both of those teams well under their average.

[Lp81]

Looking at the 4 Play-off Games by each team, SLC had one close game only vs Plano and an average margin of victory of 36 points, whereas Lufkin appear to have played 4 close games with a average margin of victory of 14 points. The Play-off numbers are as follows :-

SLC Points Scored : 46
SLC Points Against : 16
SLC Margin of Victory : 27

Lufkin Points Scored : 35
Lufkin Points Against : 22
Lufkin Margin of Victory : 11

A quick analysis shows that SLC scores more points and concedes fewer points, with a much greater margin of victory. SLC is known for Offense, but there is definitely a good defense that has given up fewer points than Lufkin. In addition, SLC combined record of Play-off opponents is 43-7, where as Lufkin’s is 37-13. It also appears that SLC had the harder route to the semi-finals. It appears that the numbers favor Southlake.
Lufkin has also been below other teams scoring and defense stats but what matters is that they left that game with more points on the score board

[CCoveAtState]

If Outlaw brings his own Refs like he did last week SLC wont have a chance....:cool:

[PurpleNation]

If Outlaw brings his own Refs like he did last week SLC wont have a chance....:cool:


Quit crying. Lufkin had a TD called back on a Offense facemask. Cove was a bit overrated in my book. I see why Harker Heights should have beating yall.

[CCoveAtState]

SUCKER......that was way too easy!:p

[PurpleNation]

I know we are without our field genereal Claybon. But like another SLC fan said it depends on which type of QB shows up Saturday in Ralph Thomas. Either a cuatious and passive QB that will make mistakes, or a desperate QB looking to make plays by playing scrappy and feeding off momentum which can be dangerouse for SLC. I have watched a game were the backup QB comes off the bench and leads his team from a come from behind victory. We all would want Jeremy out there calling the shots but everbody in Lufkin is behind Ralph and know that when his back is against the wall he always comes threw. If there was one word I could use to describe RT it would have to be COMPETETIVE.

1 Team 1 Dream 1 Destination "Panther Pride Can You Feel It"

[Pack Backer]

Losing your starting qb is a difficult challenge no matter what, but the timing is going to be difficult to overcome. There are many stories where the back-up performs above expectations. But Sat. is not a good time for on the job training for a qb. I think he will make a galant effort, but unfortunately, as much as I hate to say, it will too much for the Pack to overcome. Not that miracles can't happen, but that the "perfect" game would have to be played for Lufkin to win. Every break would have to go their way, penalties would have to be almost eliminated, as well as turnovers. I think SLC will run at the Lufkin def. to negate their speed. Passing wise, I think short to medium play action passes will keep them off balance. And long SLC drives will eat up a lot of clock. Lufkin can score quick and often, but lack the discipline that many times stops a drive, or let's their opponents continue their drive. The middle has been suspect in the Lufkin def. and SLC coaching staff knows it. Forget running outside, This is hard to do, but..... Lufkin 20 SLC 31
Unfortuanately, the third time is not the charm.

[PurpleNation]

Losing your starting qb is a difficult challenge no matter what, but the timing is going to be difficult to overcome. There are many stories where the back-up performs above expectations. But Sat. is not a good time for on the job training for a qb. I think he will make a galant effort, but unfortunately, as much as I hate to say, it will too much for the Pack to overcome. Not that miracles can't happen, but that the "perfect" game would have to be played for Lufkin to win. Every break would have to go their way, penalties would have to be almost eliminated, as well as turnovers. I think SLC will run at the Lufkin def. to negate their speed. Passing wise, I think short to medium play action passes will keep them off balance. And long SLC drives will eat up a lot of clock. Lufkin can score quick and often, but lack the discipline that many times stops a drive, or let's their opponents continue their drive. The middle has been suspect in the Lufkin def. and SLC coaching staff knows it. Forget running outside, This is hard to do, but..... Lufkin 20 SLC 31
Unfortuanately, the third time is not the charm.


Im not sure they will be able to run on us. But if we want to win then yes we will need to not turn the ball over and not get to many penalties but that goes for either team. This game will come down to the wire and I feel that Lufkin will be just to fast in the end. BTW if you think they will run up the middle what Lufkin defense have you seen this season it cant be ours. There best chance to run on us is to get to the edge and block or speedy LB's

Lufkin 35
SLC 28

[pack98]

I am tired of all the talk my head hurts can Saturday just hurry up and get here and lets play this game between 2 great schools. i cant wait for this one to take place. going to be a barnburner a old sloberknocker all those famous sayings.

GO PANTHERS

[my3sons]

Outlaw had better prepare the new QB for a heavy blitz package. SLC is known for exploiting their advantage. Anticipate different coverages and blitzes designed to confuse the new QB. As for the LP defense. They are good, no doubt. However, they were good in 02 and 04 and gave up 33 and 37 points. Look for SLC to get 42 and hold LP to 21.

[PurpleNation]

Outlaw had better prepare the new QB for a heavy blitz package. SLC is known for exploiting their advantage. Anticipate different coverages and blitzes designed to confuse the new QB. As for the LP defense. They are good, no doubt. However, they were good in 02 and 04 and gave up 33 and 37 points. Look for SLC to get 42 and hold LP to 21.


If you blitz out of control and leave Simpson covering Bryant not only will Lufkin score but score everytime. Bryant last year exploited Simpson with 2 circus jumpball catches in the endzone before they finally put to people on him. So SLC might want to hold off the blitz we have some WR's and Thomas knows how to get the ball to them. Bryant will be the best WR on the field saturday including McKay SLC will have to approach him by doubling him if not kiss it goodbye its his football when the ball is in the air. Basically pick your poison. Either double dez and protect against the pass and make the run beat you, or Blitz and hope Thomas forgets how to throw the ball st8 up to our 2 big Wr's. All im saying is that it will be more to it then just Blitzing the heck our of Lufkin to stop us. put it like this were going still get ours but can we stop you from getting yours. Im ready for the game already. The only person that can stop Dez 1 on 1 will be wearing a purple jersey(Hewiitt) I have all the respect in the world for Agnew, and Simpson but Dez will Exploit there jumping abilities. (Dez 6'3 125lbs 40 inch vert)

Lufkin 35

SLC 28

no upset just to good teams going at it.

[my3sons]

Better chuck anjd duck, cause he's going to get hit. I remember last year how LP tried to get just 1 more pass into the endzone. However, we all know how it ended. What wins the game? SLC scoring on the tough LP defense or LP outscoring SLC?

[PurpleNation]

Better chuck anjd duck, cause he's going to get hit. I remember last year how LP tried to get just 1 more pass into the endzone. However, we all know how it ended. What wins the game? SLC scoring on the tough LP defense or LP outscoring SLC?


Trust me Dez will feast on any of you DB's but hey SLC did what it had to do to win the game to bad he clock ran out another 30 seconds we would have been in OT.

[PantherRock1988]

I will probably need some sort of heart monitor because I am going to have several heart attacks come Saturday afternoon. I get so into these high-stress games that my blood pressure rises and goes haywire. Of course, when we make good plays and score then my blood pressure goes down to normal. My heart stopped a couple of times at Waco against Cove last Friday night. But I was mighty proud walking out of the stadium.
Mistakes will be a big contributing factor - yes. But it will be mistakes as far as penalties AND fumbles or interceptions. Leonard Hewitt is dangerous. When SLC throws, they better hope Hewitt isn't within 40 feet of the ball or it's HIS!

[my3sons]

That's why we play with a clock. There is only a limited time in a game. The two games these two teams have played have been fun to watch. On both occasions it seemed like 1 team was going to run away with it. Both times the other came back and made it very exciting. The Pack will bring it, no doubt. I'm confident SLC will bring it as well. Gotta love this game.

[PurpleNation]

That's why we play with a clock. There is only a limited time in a game. The two games these two teams have played have been fun to watch. On both occasions it seemed like 1 team was going to run away with it. Both times the other came back and made it very exciting. The Pack will bring it, no doubt. I'm confident SLC will bring it as well. Gotta love this game.


Well said. no matter what happens saturday there will be a war between the 2 best HS in texas.

[dragonsdaddy]

any db will admit, the best pass defense going is a great pass rush. it is exceedingly difficult to complete a pass regardless the receiver, while laying on your back. blitzes and hidden coverages will be the norm imo, and i wonder if a qb taking his 25th snap ever will be adept at reading them? we'll see soon enough.

[Favpack]

any db will admit, the best pass defense going is a great pass rush. it is exceedingly difficult to complete a pass regardless the receiver, while laying on your back. blitzes and hidden coverages will be the norm imo, and i wonder if a qb taking his 25th snap ever will be adept at reading them? we'll see soon enough.

The only thing exciting about this game from the LP qb perspective is we have no idea what he will do. All we know is we lost our mvp and our most consistent receiver (Ralph Thomas) on one play.

[dragonfly]

If you blitz out of control and leave Simpson covering Bryant not only will Lufkin score but score everytime. Bryant last year exploited Simpson with 2 circus jumpball catches in the endzone before they finally put to people on him. So SLC might want to hold off the blitz we have some WR's and Thomas knows how to get the ball to them. Bryant will be the best WR on the field saturday including McKay SLC will have to approach him by doubling him if not kiss it goodbye its his football when the ball is in the air. Basically pick your poison. Either double dez and protect against the pass and make the run beat you, or Blitz and hope Thomas forgets how to throw the ball st8 up to our 2 big Wr's. All im saying is that it will be more to it then just Blitzing the heck our of Lufkin to stop us. put it like this were going still get ours but can we stop you from getting yours. Im ready for the game already. The only person that can stop Dez 1 on 1 will be wearing a purple jersey(Hewiitt) I have all the respect in the world for Agnew, and Simpson but Dez will Exploit there jumping abilities. (Dez 6'3 125lbs 40 inch vert)

Lufkin 35

SLC 28

no upset just to good teams going at it.


Simpson and company did pretty dang good against the last 6'2 receiver they played against. Did I fail to mention that the Abilene receiver also high jumps 7 feet! Oh yea....we shut them out too. Seriously, I think you are underestimating the Carroll defense a little.

[POB]

I am tired of all the talk my head hurts can Saturday just hurry up and get here and lets play this game between 2 great schools. i cant wait for this one to take place. going to be a barnburner a old sloberknocker all those famous sayings.

GO PANTHERS

AMEN to that one...sitting right there with ya

[Texas-Raised]

Well said. no matter what happens saturday there will be a war between the 2 best HS in texas.


the 2 best HS in Texas........????? so i guess you could call that game the state championship... Lufkin will knock carrol in thier mouth come sat.



lufkin-31
SLC- 28


SLC= Over-rated!

[drgnbkr]

Well said. no matter what happens saturday there will be a war between the 2 best HS in texas.


the 2 best HS in Texas........????? so i guess you could call that game the state championship... Lufkin will knock carrol in thier mouth come sat.



lufkin-31
SLC- 28


SLC= Over-rated!

Well now...that was a friendly post....good luck with SV...

[dragonsfan]

If you blitz out of control and leave Simpson covering Bryant not only will Lufkin score but score everytime. Bryant last year exploited Simpson with 2 circus jumpball catches in the endzone before they finally put to people on him. So SLC might want to hold off the blitz we have some WR's and Thomas knows how to get the ball to them. Bryant will be the best WR on the field saturday including McKay SLC will have to approach him by doubling him if not kiss it goodbye its his football when the ball is in the air. Basically pick your poison. Either double dez and protect against the pass and make the run beat you, or Blitz and hope Thomas forgets how to throw the ball st8 up to our 2 big Wr's. All im saying is that it will be more to it then just Blitzing the heck our of Lufkin to stop us. put it like this were going still get ours but can we stop you from getting yours. Im ready for the game already. The only person that can stop Dez 1 on 1 will be wearing a purple jersey(Hewiitt) I have all the respect in the world for Agnew, and Simpson but Dez will Exploit there jumping abilities. (Dez 6'3 125lbs 40 inch vert)

Lufkin 35

SLC 28

no upset just to good teams going at it.

Dez lost weight when he gained that two inches? According to lufkinpanthersports.com he is just 6'1 and weighs 200.

[Butch Fifield]

Stats like in the original post can be skewed because of games like the Abilene game. When you are up by 40+ at half, you don't tend to play the whole game. You shut it down somewhat in the second half. You don't play all your starters and you don't be as aggressive on offense as you normally would. The stats aren't bad as they should be. SLC had to play 100% the whole game against Plano.

[DragonBand06]

Well said. no matter what happens saturday there will be a war between the 2 best HS in texas.


the 2 best HS in Texas........????? so i guess you could call that game the state championship... Lufkin will knock carrol in thier mouth come sat.



lufkin-31
SLC- 28


SLC= Over-rated!

Come on! This is totally uncalled for! Find another forum to go trash up. We talk football here. Great game coming on Saturday, and I personally think it will be better that the State game. Good luck to whoever wins Regions 3/4, 'cause I think State goes to the winner of this game, regardless of the outcome!

D-Band06

P.S. It's Carroll, not carrol, and I wouldn't call 38-21 a mouth knocking, just a very well played game :)

[YouKnowTha3T]

No offence to you lufkin fans, but you have been saying the same stuff OVER and OVER again for the past two years...WE READY...SLC OVERRATED...i mean if ANYONE in the state of texas should know..it should be you purple faithful...SLC is NOT overrated..overrated is not one carrer loss in 5A, two state titles, mythical national title, and two victories over your team

Lets show some respect wheres its deserved..SLC respects you and you havent even beat us yet

now to respond to a previous post of not being able to run on the lufkin defense..ok thats fine..youve just shut down one weapon..we can go five wide and really spread the field out and have some fun..or just run screens all over you like we did last year..i mean you know better then that..its going to take a flawless game by you to beat SLC just face it already and respect the fact that your team is coming in as the underdog this week.

[BigWhiteJake]

and once again i, the katyite, will tell the poor team about to face southlakes onslaught that you are going to be ran off the field...SLC is the best high school football team i have ever seen, lufkin will lose by 20+ in what should be a halftime or 3rd quarter blowout...

[LPanther]

No offence to you lufkin fans, but you have been saying the same stuff OVER and OVER again for the past two years...WE READY...SLC OVERRATED...i mean if ANYONE in the state of texas should know..it should be you purple faithful...SLC is NOT overrated..overrated is not one carrer loss in 5A, two state titles, mythical national title, and two victories over your team.

What LP fan is saying SLC is overrated? Anyone with half a brain knows SLC is not overrated, and most LP fans have at least half a brain. Some have even more.:rolleyes: Offer up this overrated stuff to someone who will buy it.

[PurpleNation]

and once again i, the katyite, will tell the poor team about to face southlakes onslaught that you are going to be ran off the field...SLC is the best high school football team i have ever seen, lufkin will lose by 20+ in what should be a halftime or 3rd quarter blowout...


Thats why they call us the Cardiac Pack.


1 Team 1 Dream 1 Destination "Can you feel IT"

[PurpleNation]

Dez lost weight when he gained that two inches? According to lufkinpanthersports.com he is just 6'1 and weighs 200.


Trust me when I say Dez is 6'3 and 215ibs but you will see soon enough. He was #34 last year and caught them 2 TD's on simpson. The only way he is stoped is in double teams. He is by far the most dominating athlete at WR I have seen at this level.

[Favpack]

Trust me when I say Dez is 6'3 and 215ibs but you will see soon enough. He was #34 last year and caught them 2 TD's on simpson. The only way he is stoped is in double teams. He is by far the most dominating athlete at WR I have seen at this level.

Bryant absolutely owned Simpson last year - two td's - and almost two more - Dez was making his 2nd start as a sophomore. Different story this year - inexperienced qb and Simpson has clearly learned how to cover someone.

[drgnbkr]

Bryant absolutely owned Simpson last year - two td's - and almost two more - Dez was making his 2nd start as a sophomore. Different story this year - inexperienced qb and Simpson has clearly learned how to cover someone.

I guess..Simpson leads the team with 7 picks I believe. Should be a fun matchup to watch. The question is..can Thomas get him the ball?

[Favpack]

I guess..Simpson leads the team with 7 picks I believe. Should be a fun matchup to watch. The question is..can Thomas get him the ball?

Ralph will absolutely, definitely put the ball in the same zip code as Dez;) Close will have to be good enough this week.

How about:
Jacobsen vs. Hewitt
Tre Newton vs. M. Roberts

[drgnbkr]

Ralph will absolutely, definitely put the ball in the same zip code as Dez;) Close will have to be good enough this week.

How about:
Jacobsen vs. Hewitt
Tre Newton vs. M. Roberts

It will be tough running this week..I think they will mix it up a lot with McElroy and Newton & will probably work Riley into the mix with short stuff to utilize his speed...Jacobson will get his, as will Hewitt make plays...gonna be fun for the fans.

[dragonfootballfan]

Bryant absolutely owned Simpson last year - two td's - and almost two more - Dez was making his 2nd start as a sophomore. Different story this year - inexperienced qb and Simpson has clearly learned how to cover someone.
I am sure Dez has gotten a lot better too, but the improvement that Simpson has made is incredible. Last year I really thought that the secondary could be very easily exploited, but this year he is playing lights out.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

and once again i, the katyite, will tell the poor team about to face southlakes onslaught that you are going to be ran off the field...SLC is the best high school football team i have ever seen, lufkin will lose by 20+ in what should be a halftime or 3rd quarter blowout...


You said the same thing about Plano last week. I think you said they would lose by 30+

[joe_LP]

Lufkin's speed will give SLC a lot of trouble.They are a much faster team overall than last years team.:)

[BAMF cowboy]

Lufkin's speed will give SLC a lot of trouble.They are a much faster team overall than last years team.:)

I'm thinking the SC defense will be giving lufkin a lot of trouble also. Im sorry but I don't care how talented your backup qb is, if he's a newbie and is starting his first game against (arguably) #! team in the nation, that's gonna get to him. Last year, the SC defense completely shutdown Javorskie Lane. With the defense MUCH improved, i don't know how lufkin is going to get anything done offensively. But they didn't get this far without facing some adversity.

[dragonsfan]

Trust me when I say Dez is 6'3 and 215ibs but you will see soon enough. He was #34 last year and caught them 2 TD's on simpson. The only way he is stoped is in double teams. He is by far the most dominating athlete at WR I have seen at this level.

Your original post said 6'3 and 125. Now that is tall and skinny!

[joe_LP]

I'm afraid you could be right.We are a much faster team on offence even without Claybon at qb. My main concern is that Thomas has almost no varsity experience as a qb.I know SLC will try and pressure him early into making bad decisions.The games outcome will most likely be decided on how well Ralph Thomas responds to SLC pressue.

[BAMF cowboy]

I am sure Dez has gotten a lot better too, but the improvement that Simpson has made is incredible. Last year I really thought that the secondary could be very easily exploited, but this year he is playing lights out.

well said DFF. Simpson IMO is the most improved player. He's shutdown so many receivers. One stat I remember specifically is vs. Denton Ryan, he held Fenty to 1 catch for 5 yards. He's played incredible this season. he got beat for a TD vs. plano, but responded with a big INT. It'll be great to see a fantastic receiver go against a very underrated cb

[BAMF cowboy]

I'm afraid you could be right.We are a much faster team on offence even without Claybon at qb. My main concern is that Thomas has almost no varsity experience as a qb.I know SLC will try and pressure him early into making bad decisions.The games outcome will most likely be decided on how well Ralph Thomas responds to SLC pressue.

well im pretty sure lufkin has a good coaching staff so they'll settle him in, throwing some screen passes to start, get a running game going. easier said than done...

[joe_LP]

One thing Lufkin does better than any team I've seen this year is improvise on a good defensive play.They can turn a big loss into a 50 yard gain like it's nothing.Speed makes up for mistakes when you have speed like Lufkin has.:)

[joe_LP]

What kind of speed does SLC defense have ?

[BAMF cowboy]

What kind of speed does SLC defense have ?

im not sure they have the speed that lufkin does, but they are definitely doing something right this year. They are very disciplined and very well coached. they execute their schemes much better, and are creating more turnovers. They are just getting to the ball much better this year, i think it's all about their discipline and Mendoza's coaching

[joe_LP]

I figured that.They showed me last year what great coaching and team dicipline can achieve.

[joe_LP]

One thing Lufkin has improved on since Outlaw has been there is they are a lot more diciplined over all than the first couple of years. They used to get so many stupid personal fouls.Now they rarely ever get those calls.

[Pack Backer]

[QUOTE=PurpleNation]Im not sure they will be able to run on us. But if we want to win then yes we will need to not turn the ball over and not get to many penalties but that goes for either team. This game will come down to the wire and I feel that Lufkin will be just to fast in the end. BTW if you think they will run up the middle what Lufkin defense have you seen this season it cant be ours. There best chance to run on us is to get to the edge and block or speedy LB's

Lufkin 35
SLC 28

It is pretty much known that the best way to beat speed is to run straight at it, not around it.

[Pack Backer]

One thing Lufkin has improved on since Outlaw has been there is they are a lot more diciplined over all than the first couple of years. They used to get so many stupid personal fouls.Now they rarely ever get those calls.


Sorry. don't what you've been watching, but if you look back at the stats for each game, the Pack usually has had more penalites and yards penalized than their opponents.

[joe_LP]

I can't wait to see this game. I believe whoever wins wins state again.

[joe_LP]

Yeah! they used to get more personal fouls than they do now.

[PowerPack'd]

No offence to you lufkin fans, but you have been saying the same stuff OVER and OVER again for the past two years...WE READY...SLC OVERRATED...i mean if ANYONE in the state of texas should know..it should be you purple faithful...SLC is NOT overrated..overrated is not one carrer loss in 5A, two state titles, mythical national title, and two victories over your team

Lets show some respect wheres its deserved..SLC respects you and you havent even beat us yet


I agree with LPanther. I have never said SLC is overrated. You can click on my name and look up my posts if you like. I believe SLC has one of the premiere programs in the state/nation. As LPanther said, there may have been some fans say SLC is overrated, but only the ones that don't have half a brain.

[BAMF cowboy]

I agree with LPanther. I have never said SLC is overrated. You can click on my name and look up my posts if you like. I believe SLC has one of the premiere programs in the state/nation. As LPanther said, there may have been some fans say SLC is overrated, but only the ones that don't have half a brain.

even then, i dont see many lufkin fans saying that stuff. after the last 2 meetings both teams and fans have a tremendous amount of respect for each other. its mainly just the newbies who say all that stuff

[PowerPack'd]

Well said. no matter what happens saturday there will be a war between the 2 best HS in texas.


the 2 best HS in Texas........????? so i guess you could call that game the state championship... Lufkin will knock carrol in thier mouth come sat.



lufkin-31
SLC- 28


SLC= Over-rated!

Be careful calling anyone at this level overrated. It might come back to haunt you. It is always better to be humble before and after a victory.

I have never discounted Katy, either. In fact, if you look at my bracket picks you will see that I picked Lufkin and Katy in the finals. I am definitely NOT saying that our game with SLC is the state finals.

[drgnbkr]

[QUOTE=PurpleNation]Im not sure they will be able to run on us. But if we want to win then yes we will need to not turn the ball over and not get to many penalties but that goes for either team. This game will come down to the wire and I feel that Lufkin will be just to fast in the end. BTW if you think they will run up the middle what Lufkin defense have you seen this season it cant be ours. There best chance to run on us is to get to the edge and block or speedy LB's

Lufkin 35
SLC 28

It is pretty much known that the best way to beat speed is to run straight at it, not around it.

Just for the record..Carroll has outrushed every team but one this season...Can't wait! See ya Saturday..

[toonman]

The Lufkin derfense has forced mistakes all season and the SLC offense has limited them. I can't see Carroll coming into this game and score at will. The Lufkin defense is better then given credit for and I like our chances with our speed on both sides of the ball. I will stick with my final prediction of a 35-28 Lufkin "W".

I am not trying to be smart a?? – but Lufkin, like Plano, Abilene, Allen and I-Mac before – did not realize just how good SLC are. In many posts I have said that SLC is a class above all other 5A teams and yesterday against Lufkin; SLC showed this to be more true than ever. This is not trashing Lufkin, because they played a great game. In any other year without such an excellent SLC (and injury to their QB), Lufkin would win State. Plano stayed close more because of SLC‘s mistakes, rather than there own endeavor. Otherwise, SLC has simply blown all Play-off opponents away. However, as great a defense as Lufkin had, SLC’s passing offense was greatly under estimated by Lufkin Fans. A top rated defense getting torched for 46 points!!!!

[JoeC]

Unlike many LP fans (not all) that criticized us (Longview) for, as they said, making excuses in 2004 (and 2005). Its as if excuses are some mythical entity that really does not exist. Its part of the surreal world - part of a bad imagination. When in reality, they are really real - sometimes forming a life of it own; and on many occasions, they are valid forms of reasoning. In 2004 when we played LP and lost we had lost our starting QB (Grant), Tight End (Freeman) and our starting FB (Ivory) ironically with a broken hand. When we mentioned these things many others complained that we were simply making "excuses". I have mentioned the following principle on many occasions - its called Karma. Karma implies that what comes around - goes around. Before I go any further, "my heart, "really - really" goes out to LP." This is one situation I am glad that I don't have a deep-seated connection to (oh the agony of what might have been). Unfortunately, you now know how we felt. But as once said by a "Great Coach" Bear Bryant (you also need some luck) when asked if he would rather be good or lucky, he replied, "In this game you need a lot of both!!" What I am saying is that LP got really "unlucky" and at the most inopportune time. To lose your starting QB (JC), lose one of your best receivers to be placed at QB (RT) and with less than 30 snaps, to have your top DB (Hewitt) suffer a leg/muscle injury in the Cove game (playing with a great degree of limitation). Damn, if this or these are not legitimate excuses then what the hell is? What a great loss in continuity to a great team and in a "big game" - in what can be best described as the unluckiest time of all. Did anyone really expect LP to win this game on anything less than a wing of a prayer? And while SLC is bragging, come on now - you beat a wounded duck - not the best they had to offer. Honestly, if this would have happened a few weeks back I seriously doubt you would have been playing LP in the semis. You probably would have been playing Cove. Karma has come back to haunt LP. Sadly, sometimes the power of the universe demands that we learn the hard way. Just wondering, are there any SLC fans out there that does not believe that this game may have turned out differently without these dreaded turn of events. Do you think you may have been (somewhat) lucky? No . . . i dare say, in this game to be lucky is more than a divine blessing; on the other hand, to be really "unlucky" (as LP and for that matter, as LV was in 2004) is and will always be a valid "excuse". Yes, without a doubt, SLC has a great program but maybe more important, as Bear Bryant described, "they also got a lot of both - good and luckiness." So forget all of the political correctness, its ok to talk about excuses (like all the uncharacteristic penalties - probably caused by the great loss in continuity), for excuses are real. They're not this great unmentionable. Just think, how many more times LP could have had the ball and how much more time of possession may LP have had (? - - possibly lowering the score and LP's chances). We can only speculate. Who knows it may have been LP playing for the coveted (and illusive - within their grasp) State title. The moral for LP fans and all lovers of this great game (including SLC) - - be careful what you say, Karma may be standing over your shoulder. More importantly, be modest (not brash) to others positions (even and especially legitimate excuses). Why? Because all good things eventually comes to an end. Time is not on your side. And if you don't believe me, ask Temple, Odessa Permian, Midland Lee, Sealy, and Daingerfield (Just to name a few) . . . . They were all good ("great") just like SLC - then they ran out of luck . . . Great season LP and good "luck" next season!!!:( :cool:

[insider]

While it is very unfortunate that Lufkin was not 100% - I think it is the wrong message to our kids to be selling out their efforts on the basis of undefinable luck.

To think that a cloud is raining on you and therefore you are unlucky is just silly.

The loss of players which would have let Lufkin compete to their full potential is the unfortunate result of accidents - not some karma in response to inappropriate brashness. How many teams have won poorly or lost with grace - shouldn't karma be kicking in a righting these situations? Doesn't happen so let's not count it as an 'excuse'.

So - we will never know how a 100% Lufkin would have played on 10 Dec 2005 - didn't happen and never will. Nor will we know how other theoretical matchups would end.

The kids are playing one game at a time, they are prepared as much as possible. The outcome of the game rests on ability, effort, heart, will, positioning of the ball, penalties, injuries, insight, anticipation, inspiration and many other intangibles. Luck, one way or the other, has nothing to do with it.

[toonman]

Rather than quote you word for word. I wish to address some of the points you have made. If SLC lost the starting QB, there was a designated back-up to replace, namely Riley Dodge. We saw the pass made against Lufkin. SLCs best WR - Clint Renfro; did not play, but SLC has 7 other WRs capable of starting. Injuries are fact a life. If you have injured players and do not have replacements waiting to step into the injured players shoes - then this is a team weakness and weakness in the program. SLC did not just play the 11 offensive/defensive players on the field. SLC played the full Lufkin Varsity Roster. In the record books there will no asterisk next the result of this game saying - Lufkin did no have their staring QB and WR playing in this game.

This is now 3 out of 3 times SLC has beaten Lufkin. Many believe this to be SLC best team in 5A. If Lufkin did not have the injuries; it may have been a closer game, but the result would be the same - I guess we will never know. At the end of the day the final score is the result of the players on the field. Three times out of three, SLC had the players on the field to win the game, Lufkin did not.

With regard to SLC ‘all good things coming to an end'. SLC has a tradition of winning going back to the early 1980’s. According to ‘Jerry’s Texas Football Ratings; SLC has the winningest record since 1986. I do not doubt there will be some lean years to come, but there is a system in place, which for the time being, ensures that the winning tradition will continue for many years to come.

[JoeC]

While it is very unfortunate that Lufkin was not 100% - I think it is the wrong message to our kids to be selling out their efforts on the basis of undefinable luck.

To think that a clud is raining on you and therefore you are unlucky is just silly.

The loss of players which would have let Lufkin compete to their full potential is the unfortunate result of accidents - not some karma in response to inappropriate brashness. How many teams have won poorly or lost with grace - shouldn't karma be kicking in a righting these situations? Doesn't happen so let's not count it as an 'excuse'.

So - we will never know how a 100% Lufkin would have played on 09 Dec 2005 - didn't happen and never will. Nor will we know how other theoretical matchups would end.

The kids are playing one game at a time, they are prepared as much as possible. The outcome of the game rests on ability, effort, heart, will, positioning of the ball, penalties, injuries, insight, anticipation, inspiration and many other intangibles. Luck, one way or the other, has nothing to do with it.

I am not here to debate your premise - one way or another. If we as a human society does not believe good nor bad luck exist, then why do so many of us elect to declare it? Good luck on this or good luck on that.... I am sorry; luck (whether good or bad) is a figment of my imagination (and it appears many others). Sadly, if it's not tangible (concrete) - if you can't see it, feel it, taste it or smell it - it's obviously not real. Clearly, it has no place in a logical society (like Metaphysics). By the way, "Good luck to SLC and Katy" in the big dance. I wonder if either of those teams would appreciate having it on their side it if it were to exist? Preparation can only control the things that are within your control - unfortunately; true bad luck is not ever within your control (**** happens and sometimes unexpectedly). Do you believe that all things are within the realm of man's control? And if not, what do you call those things??? It (bad luck) is something abrupt and drastic - something for the most part, not expected (unexpected). Sadly, in most instances you can try and adjust your way out of it all you want; but unfortunately, it may be to no avail (available or unavailable resources, abilities/capabilities (talent level) and time restraints can create an overwhelming situation). :cool:

[JoeC]

While it is very unfortunate that Lufkin was not 100% - I think it is the wrong message to our kids to be selling out their efforts on the basis of undefinable luck.

To think that a cloud is raining on you and therefore you are unlucky is just silly.

The loss of players which would have let Lufkin compete to their full potential is the unfortunate result of accidents - not some karma in response to inappropriate brashness. How many teams have won poorly or lost with grace - shouldn't karma be kicking in a righting these situations? Doesn't happen so let's not count it as an 'excuse'.

So - we will never know how a 100% Lufkin would have played on 10 Dec 2005 - didn't happen and never will. Nor will we know how other theoretical matchups would end.

The kids are playing one game at a time, they are prepared as much as possible. The outcome of the game rests on ability, effort, heart, will, positioning of the ball, penalties, injuries, insight, anticipation, inspiration and many other intangibles. Luck, one way or the other, has nothing to do with it.

By the way Sir (I assume), I appreciate and respect your position. I would never call it silly.

[insider]

By the way Sir (I assume), I appreciate and respect your position. I would never call it silly.

My point, and I meant no disrespect, is that depending on luck is silly. I used that term in ref to being under a rain cloud and it being dependent on luck and did not intend any personal attribute.

I have no problems with wishing people good luck - but I do not want our kids to think that their accomplishments are dependent on the concept of luck. You put what you have into the game and the other team does the same. There will be cases where the ball is fumbled or intercepted and those should taken for what they are - bad/good execution or accidents.

I would have loved to see both teams at 100% - all weapons in the inventory, as it were. We will never know the outcome - it just would have given both teams the opportunity to test themselves at their best.

sorry if my previous post came across poorly

[PackAttack2005]

I am making no excuses. We played with what we had and it didn't work out.
We have nothing to be ashamed of here in Lufkin. We have been to the semi-finals 4 of the last 5 years. Not many teams ever get a chance to play the #1 ranked team in the State and Nationally in the semi-finals two years in a row. Lots of other teams wiuld trade places with us in a heart beat, on of those teams would be Longview, right? No excuses in Lufkin. Southlake you have a great team.

[Favpack]

[QUOTE=Pack Backer]

Just for the record..Carroll has outrushed every team but one this season...Can't wait! See ya Saturday..
Rushing Stats

Attempts / Yards rushing
Lufkin 50-242
SLC 23-99

I'm going to do an analysis post later - but Lufkin totally shut down the SLC running game until late in the 4th qtr. In fact, take away two nifty Newton runs and they probably averaged 2 yards a carry.

[DragonBand06]

[QUOTE=drgnbkr]
Rushing Stats

Attempts / Yards rushing
Lufkin 50-242
SLC 23-99

I'm going to do an analysis post later - but Lufkin totally shut down the SLC running game until late in the 4th qtr. In fact, take away two nifty Newton runs and they probably averaged 2 yards a carry.

Good point, but I wouldn't call those runs luck, just certain failed attempts to stop the run, or just extra-good execution on our part.

I don't necessarily believe in luck (partially due to being Christian, partially due to being a science major), I would simply define "luck" as we use it in modern terms as having a series of events falling in your favor. I (again, thinking logically) don't think there is luck, just events with logical explanations. Therefore a series of events with reasonably unpredictable outcome (i.e. a quarter being flipped, the way a certain kick bounces, etc.) happening to go in your favor would be having "good luck" and the opposite for "bad luck".

-DragonBand06

[dragons08]

[QUOTE=Favpack]

Good point, but I wouldn't call those runs luck, just certain failed attempts to stop the run, or just extra-good execution on our part.

I don't necessarily believe in luck (partially due to being Christian, partially due to being a science major), I would simply define "luck" as we use it in modern terms as having a series of events falling in your favor. I (again, thinking logically) don't think there is luck, just events with logical explanations. Therefore a series of events with reasonably unpredictable outcome (i.e. a quarter being flipped, the way a certain kick bounces, etc.) happening to go in your favor would be having "good luck" and the opposite for "bad luck".

-DragonBand06
or you could think like me and it just be skill or lack of

or said in bruce almighty "thats the way the cookie crumbles"

[BAMF cowboy]

[QUOTE=drgnbkr]
Rushing Stats

Attempts / Yards rushing
Lufkin 50-242
SLC 23-99

I'm going to do an analysis post later - but Lufkin totally shut down the SLC running game until late in the 4th qtr. In fact, take away two nifty Newton runs and they probably averaged 2 yards a carry.

What you have to consider when talking about the dragon running game, is that they are so efficient at passing, it is like running to them. SLC runs many variations of screen plays to newton coming out of the backfield, and Jacobson going to the sideline, or sometimes infield. They are so efficient at it, and they gain solid yards most times. Although those stats go towards the passing game, to SLC they are essentially like a rushing game.

[joe_LP]

All I have to say is SLC has a great football team period.They should easily beat Katy unless Katy plays perfect football. If Katy could put pressure on McElroy,they would at least have a chance to compete;otherwise, its poor Katy this year.:D

[football fanatic]

Its funny how everyone says you have to put pressure on McElroy....hasn't every team tried to do that?? Didn't Lufkin? They hit him almost every play!!! It's easier said then done.....remember this kid has now thrown over 50 td's and 4k passing yards....

[dragons08]

Its funny how everyone says you have to put pressure on McElroy....hasn't every team tried to do that?? Didn't Lufkin? They hit him almost every play!!! It's easier said then done.....remember this kid has now thrown over 50 td's and 4k passing yards....
2 more tds and he breaks the dragon record for tds..

he already broke the dragon record for passing tds

[BAMF cowboy]

2 more tds and he breaks the dragon record for tds..

he already broke the dragon record for passing tds

which is quite a feat, since he isn't half the rusher that Wasson was (current record holder)

[dragonsdaddy]

2 more tds and he breaks the dragon record for tds..

he already broke the dragon record for passing tds
the record was 54. i didn't think he threw 5 yesterday. he needs 2 to tie the school record, and 3 to set the state record(5a), i think.

[dragons08]

the record was 54. i didn't think he threw 5 yesterday. he needs 2 to tie the school record, and 3 to set the state record(5a), i think.
what??

against richland he broke some dragon passing record for tds

and maybe your right he needs 3?

im not exactly sure now, but either way, hes close to breaking records

[dragonsdaddy]

what??

against richland he broke some dragon passing record for tds

and maybe your right he needs 3?

im not exactly sure now, but either way, hes close to breaking records
the richland record may have been for the reg season. cwasson had 54 in 02. didn't graham harrell set the all-time record at 60+?

[dragonfootballfan]

the richland record may have been for the reg season. cwasson had 54 in 02. didn't graham harrell set the all-time record at 60+?
If I remember correctly an early exit in the playoffs stopped Harrell from getting the record and he actually tied Wasson at 54, but he had it in the third round of the playoffs.