Plano/SLC/Lufkin HELP.

[zippy]

Ok, I saw Plano play this year, and no disrespect, but they did not seem that great. I also saw that Plano almost beat SLC. My question... was plano really that good? Or did SLC just have a bad game? All I know is that is SLC struggled with Plano, bottom line. I think Lufkin will take them? Am I wrong? I know that Lufkin lost their QB, but they do have another one that is suppose to be real good. What are everyone's thoughts on this? Im still not sold on SLC being better than last year. They have almost lost twice this year, against teams they should have beat fairly bad.

**Why I did not think Plano was that great--could not hold onto the ball, did not stop the run very well. Special teams had some weakness. They also made some major mental mistakes, like fielding punts and kickoffs that they should not have, and pitching on the option after big gains. They did this twice, and lost the ball both times. Great season to them, they are rebuilding and should be great again soon**

[BAMF cowboy]

plano were PREPARED. enough said. the created turnovers, disrupted in the backfield. offensively they just ran all over SLC in the first half. and from that run they opend up the long ball. it wasnt until second half adjustments were made when slc took care of things. Plano had a gameplan, and it worked for 3 quarters. Great game by them, and i honestly think they are a great team too.

every great team has a game or two the struggle with

lufkin had harker heights right?

[southlake thug]

The only stat that matter is ZERO losses. I don't care by how much they win by, they won.

[hollywood]

**Why I did not think Plano was that great--could not hold onto the ball, did not stop the run very well. Special teams had some weakness. They also made some major mental mistakes, like fielding punts and kickoffs that they should not have, and pitching on the option after big gains. They did this twice, and lost the ball both times. Great season to them, they are rebuilding and should be great again soon**

Plano has at least recently turned the ball over. However they were able to focus and take their game up a notch. It happens. Well it happens if you have the will and the talent. I think they had both Saturday. I also think their defense is very good and matched up well against SLC. Especially the passing attack. When some teams play a team better than they are they can react in various ways. Most of them are bad. However, the challenge of SLC IMHO gave Plano the incentive to rise to the occasion. If you are looking to somehow say that SLC is not all that great ... Good luck to you. SLC showed that when challenged they could come back and that they are a multi-dimensional and loaded for bear, make that Panthers team.
YMMV.

[PACK]

It's all about match ups. Teams that match up better tend to play better.
I think Plano did their homework and matched up with SLC. Of course good coaching will make the right adjustments to gain the advantage where the match up is the weakest. For them it was giving the ball to Newton more. It worked. As well you have to have the talent and there is no doubt Plano has talent. Just maybe one or two guys short on stopping the run.

[zippy]

So Plano played better than they have the rest of the year? I figured that was the case. I will just come out and say SLC is not all that great, I dont need to find a way to do that. I think they are better than all but about 4 teams in the state, but I dont think they are better than last year or the 02team like some claim. I did not think so when I saw them play Lee, they had a close district game, and they were down late against Plano. If they had a running game like the past, I would not think this way. Plano proved that a team that can contain the pass will be able to beat them I will post again after seeing how they play against Lufkin next week, so I will just wait until then to say anymore about it. I was really just trying to find out if Plano had a really good game, and I assume they did from your post.


Plano has at least recently turned the ball over. However they were able to focus and take their game up a notch. It happens. Well it happens if you have the will and the talent. I think they had both Saturday. I also think their defense is very good and matched up well against SLC. Especially the passing attack. When some teams play a team better than they are they can react in various ways. Most of them are bad. However, the challenge of SLC IMHO gave Plano the incentive to rise to the occasion. If you are looking to somehow say that SLC is not all that great ... Good luck to you. SLC showed that when challenged they could come back and that they are a multi-dimensional and loaded for bear, make that Panthers team.
YMMV.

[dragonfootballfan]

well atleast Plano lost to a great team in the playoffs and not a mediocre team that failed to make the playoffs in the regular season.

[zippy]

So if Plano's pass defense was the same, but they had been able to stop the run a little better, you think they would have won? Also, did Plano turn the ball over any? Sorry, I could not find a box score or stats anywhere...


It's all about match ups. Teams that match up better tend to play better.
I think Plano did their homework and match up with SLC. Of course good coaching willing make the right adjustments to gain the advantage with the match up is the weakest. For them is was giving the ball to Newton more. It worked. As well you have to have the talent and there is no doubt Plano had that talent. Just maybe one or two guys short on stopping the run.

[zippy]

Please specify the point of this post.. Thanks. If its what I think it is, 265 isnt the cakewalk some other districts are... The 3rd team in that district is playing for a title next week.



well atleast Plano lost to a great team in the playoffs and not a mediocre team that failed to make the playoffs in the regular season.

[my3sons]

Plano played well against SLC. SLC jumped on them early (13-0), yet Plano kept their composure and stuck to their game plan. Defensively, Plano played a 2 deep secondary stopping SLC's deep/quick strike threat. SLC becaqme impatient at times, as McElroy is prone to do, and he was intercepted 3 times. SLC outgains Plano nearly 2:1 nearly 600 yards to 300, yet trails mid 3rd qtr. SLC is trailing 27-16 and shuts out Plano then on and scores 21 unanswered points. Is Plano good? Yes. Did SLC not play well? No, however, when you throw 3 picks and one of them is in your opponents red zone, you are going to struggle to win. SLC overcame a gutty Plano team and demonstrated their playoff experience by rallying from behind to win a physical game. Bottom line: don't discount SLC's win over Plano. They were good. I'd venture to say Plano, had they beat SLC, could beat any other playoff team as well. They run the veer and run it well. Their offense isn't seen by many in the Metroplex so they offer a foreign look. Good ballclub. Worthy opponent.

[dragonfootballfan]

Please specify the point of this post.. Thanks. If its what I think it is, 265 isnt the cakewalk some other districts are... The 3rd team in that district is playing for a title next week.
I was saying that because you cannot judge a team by one game, like you have in your first post.

[zippy]

See how easy that was? Why do you have to be a smart *** about it? Just say it. The point of my post was to see if they were to be judged on the game I saw, obviously they could not be, and they played a lot better. (Plano that is) I was judging SLC based on one game I saw, and 2 other based on scores. (if that is what you are talking about) Now keep it on topic please, and when you have something to say, just say it. No need of sarcastic comments.


I was saying that because you cannot judge a team by one game, like you have in your first post.

[packdad]

Honestly, why are the Southlake fans so upset about having to come to Nacogdoches to play Saturday...Really it is simple, you lost the toss because you don't want to play at Kyle field....your color guy calling your games has his head so far up his you know what that he thinks lufkin should accommodate his carroll fans whea whea cry baby. Dodge should have took Kyle, it would not be a neutral home for us(two and a half hour drive). I think David smoak said it best on www.smoaky.com. Nobody should be to good to travel. GO PACK

[dragonfootballfan]

See how easy that was? Why do you have to be a smart *** about it? Just say it. The point of my post was to see if they were to be judged on the game I saw, obviously they could not be, and they played a lot better. (Plano that is) I was judging SLC based on one game I saw, and 2 other based on scores. (if that is what you are talking about) Now keep it on topic please, and when you have something to say, just say it. No need of sarcastic comments.
http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=4302

[SLC Dragon Fan]

So Plano played better than they have the rest of the year? I figured that was the case. I will just come out and say SLC is not all that great, I dont need to find a way to do that. I think they are better than all but about 4 teams in the state, but I dont think they are better than last year or the 02team like some claim. I did not think so when I saw them play Lee, they had a close district game, and they were down late against Plano. If they had a running game like the past, I would not think this way. Plano proved that a team that can contain the pass will be able to beat them I will post again after seeing how they play against Lufkin next week, so I will just wait until then to say anymore about it. I was really just trying to find out if Plano had a really good game, and I assume they did from your post.

So I guess by your definition any team that didn't play a great game in zero week, won a close district game and was losing in the 2nd half in a regional final playoff game cannot possibly be the best team in the state in spite of being 14-0. Well, I guess by that definition there are no great teams. So Plano contained the pass? is over 300 yards containment? No running game? Did you know that SLC has outrushed their opponents in all but 1 game this year? By the way, SLC had almost 600 yards against Plano while holding Plano to less than 300 yards. Plano played a great game but the only reason the game was as close as it was was because of 3 interceptions.

[zippy]

You should read it. Really... Oh yea, turn me it. It shows you how..



http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=4302

[zippy]

Im asking about something totally different than what you are making it. No I dont think SLC is the best in the state, I dont think they are better than last year, and I dont think they are better than the 02 team. Kill me! I was asking about Plano, and what the thoughts were on Lufkin and SLC since Lufkin lost their QB.



So I guess by your definition any team that didn't play a great game in zero week, won a close district game and was losing in the 2nd half in a regional final playoff game cannot possibly be the best team in the state in spite of being 14-0. Well, I guess by that definition there are no great teams. So Plano contained the pass? is over 300 yards containment? No running game? Did you know that SLC has outrushed their opponents in all but 1 game this year? By the way, SLC had almost 600 yards against Plano while holding Plano to less than 300 yards. Plano played a great game but the only reason the game was as close as it was was because of 3 interceptions.

[dragonfootballfan]

You should read it. Really... Oh yea, turn me it. It shows you how..
I am not going to turn you in and I have read it. Since you implied that I broke a rule on the thread, which one did I break?

[hollywood]

So if Plano's pass defense was the same, but they had been able to stop the run a little better, you think they would have won? Also, did Plano turn the ball over any? Sorry, I could not find a box score or stats anywhere...

Plano could not afford to turn the ball over and they had to get some turnovers. Interceptions the most likely I think.
They were able to pick the ball three times. They gave up an interception that killed a drive and I believe lead to points for SLC. FG? Had Plano not given up the interception it may have been a closer game.

[SLC fan]

Ok, I saw Plano play this year, and no disrespect, but they did not seem that great. I also saw that Plano almost beat SLC. My question... was plano really that good? Or did SLC just have a bad game? All I know is that is SLC struggled with Plano, bottom line. I think Lufkin will take them? Am I wrong? I know that Lufkin lost their QB, but they do have another one that is suppose to be real good. What are everyone's thoughts on this? Im still not sold on SLC being better than last year. They have almost lost twice this year, against teams they should have beat fairly bad.

zippy, have you followed Lufkin's playoff games? It took them OT to beat Harker Heights and a late surge to beat Hays Consolidated in round two. Neither of those teams were as highly regarded as Plano. Lufkin may win, but that's not exactly a strong argument in their favor.

Last year's team, by the way, had several close games as well: Keller, Abilene, Lufkin, and SV. This year's team has had close games against Grapevine and Plano. If you think last year's team was better, fine, but there hasn't been much difference in their results up to this point.

[zippy]

I have, and SLC has had some close ones too. Last year the Abilene team was a LOT better than this years, and they have not played Lufkin or SV yet, so I am just judging based on what has happened so far. Last years close games for SLC were against VERY good teams, that being Abilene, Lufkin, and SV. Lufkin may turn out ot be like Abilene was this year, who knows. thats the point of this posts, asking opinions. Based on seeing Plano play Midland, I figured SLC would be able to beat them by 28, but that was not the case. I was curious as to why, did not want to debate SLC here.


zippy, have you followed Lufkin's playoff games? It took them OT to beat Harker Heights and a late surge to beat Hays Consolidated in round two. Neither of those teams were as highly regarded as Plano. Lufkin may win, but that's not exactly a strong argument in their favor.

Last year's team, by the way, had several close games as well: Keller, Abilene, Lufkin, and SV. This year's team has had close games against Grapevine and Plano. If you think last year's team was better, fine, but there hasn't been much difference in their results up to this point.

[hollywood]

zippy, have you followed Lufkin's playoff games? It took them OT to beat Harker Heights and a late surge to beat Hays Consolidated in round two. Neither of those teams were as highly regarded as Plano. Lufkin may win, but that's not exactly a strong argument in their favor.


I don't think Cove was exactly an easy win this last week.

[hollywood]

I have, and SLC has had some close ones too. Last year the Abilene team was a LOT better than this years, and they have not played Lufkin or SV yet, so I am just judging based on what has happened so far. Last years close games for SLC were against VERY good teams, that being Abilene, Lufkin, and SV. Lufkin may turn out ot be like Abilene was this year, who knows. thats the point of this posts, asking opinions. Based on seeing Plano play Midland, I figured SLC would be able to beat them by 28, but that was not the case. I was curious as to why, did not want to debate SLC here.

Turnovers

[zippy]

Thanks, this is my main reason for thinking what I think about Lufkin. Notice how that is not mentioned. Cove was no cakewalk for any team in 5A. I just wish Lufkin's QB was still out there...


I don't think Cove was exactly an easy win this last week.

[WildcatFan]

Ok, I saw Plano play this year, and no disrespect, but they did not seem that great. I also saw that Plano almost beat SLC. My question... was plano really that good? Or did SLC just have a bad game? All I know is that is SLC struggled with Plano, bottom line. I think Lufkin will take them? Am I wrong? I know that Lufkin lost their QB, but they do have another one that is suppose to be real good. What are everyone's thoughts on this? Im still not sold on SLC being better than last year. They have almost lost twice this year, against teams they should have beat fairly bad.

**Why I did not think Plano was that great--could not hold onto the ball, did not stop the run very well. Special teams had some weakness. They also made some major mental mistakes, like fielding punts and kickoffs that they should not have, and pitching on the option after big gains. They did this twice, and lost the ball both times. Great season to them, they are rebuilding and should be great again soon**

From a Plano Fan!

I think plano is not viewed as a good team because quite honestly we are and option power team that chooses to grind up opponets as opposed to wide open quick strike games.

As a result most of our games were not 70-0 blow outs thats not our style of play. We play good defense and like to force turn overs and our style is bend-not-break.

We expect teams to score on us as we give up the middle its no secret SLC figured it out in the second hlaf yesterday.

So on paper it appears that we were a luck wild-card when in reality we are a tenacious scrappy physical team, I think SLC would agree with that.

We came up short to a great SLC team yesterday.

[pack0808]

From a Plano Fan!

I think plano is not viewed as a good team because quite honestly we are and option power team that chooses to grind up opponets as opposed to wide open quick strike games.

As a result most of our games were not 70-0 blow outs thats not our style of play. We play good defense and like to force turn overs and our style is bend-not-break.

We expect teams to score on us as we give up the middle its no secret SLC figured it out in the second hlaf yesterday.

So on paper it appears that we were a luck wild-card when in reality we are a tenacious scrappy physical team, I think SLC would agree with that.

We came up short to a great SLC team yesterday.


I love Plano's style of play. Great power running team with a great defense. AKA Katy.

[BAMF cowboy]

right with ya Wildcat Fan.

It really gets me going that just because SLC hasn't won EVERY game 50 - 0, or the fact they've had to handle adversity, means they are all of a sudden not a great team. Sure, a not see great WEEK ZERO game against Lee. A close game against Grapevine...our RIVAL, with 3 starters out, and they were very pumped out to play. And a regional final game against a tenacious and scrappy plano team, and all of a sudden we've lost all respect. Doesn't SV have a loss zippy? But not for one second do i think SLC will walk all over them if they were to meet. Sure SLC can be beat, there is no team that cannot. But to say they are beatable just because of 3 out 14 games (2 that were close!) is absolutely ridiculous. katy won in '03 by 1 pt, does that mean they arent a deserving state champ. of course not.

[WildcatFan]

zippy, have you followed Lufkin's playoff games? It took them OT to beat Harker Heights and a late surge to beat Hays Consolidated in round two. Neither of those teams were as highly regarded as Plano. Lufkin may win, but that's not exactly a strong argument in their favor.

Last year's team, by the way, had several close games as well: Keller, Abilene, Lufkin, and SV. This year's team has had close games against Grapevine and Plano. If you think last year's team was better, fine, but there hasn't been much difference in their results up to this point.

I don't think Lufkin is going to win.

I think its going to be SLC and SV.

I like Katy but something tells me different perhaps my gut so don't place any stock in that.

[BAMF cowboy]

I don't think Lufkin is going to win.

I think its going to be SLC and SV.

I like Katy but something tells me different perhaps my gut so don't place any stock in that.

i'd rather not have to beat SV for a 3rd team!

but i think i agree with you :(

[PawPower]

right with ya Wildcat Fan.

It really gets me going that just because SLC hasn't won EVERY game 50 - 0, or the fact they've had to handle adversity, means they are all of a sudden not a great team. Sure, a not see great WEEK ZERO game against Lee. A close game against Grapevine...our RIVAL, with 3 starters out, and they were very pumped out to play. And a regional final game against a tenacious and scrappy plano team, and all of a sudden we've lost all respect. Doesn't SV have a loss zippy? But not for one second do i think SLC will walk all over them if they were to meet. Sure SLC can be beat, there is no team that cannot. But to say they are beatable just because of 3 out 14 games (2 that were close!) is absolutely ridiculous. katy won in '03 by 1 pt, does that mean they arent a deserving state champ. of course not.

I totally agree with you DragonCrew06. After SLC played Grapevine this year I heard many negative comments about SLC. I found myself defending SLC. People making the comments were not there. Do they know all of the circumstances about that game? Teams struggle sometimes and just because they win by a small margin, it does not diminish the win.

[PHL4SLC]

The only stat that matter is ZERO losses. I don't care by how much they win by, they won.

AMEN!! As Dodge said in the article before the game - - - his only "goal" vs Plano was to be ahead by 1 when the clock struck 0:00 . . . People need to understand that when you are in the 4th 5th and 6th round of playoffs - there ARE NO bad teams!!! All the teams are "That Good" or they wouldn't be here . . . especially the teams with the 13/14 - 0 records . . . you can't just "luck out" every week . . .

[Phoenixrising05]

People don't waste your time trying to convince Zippy SLC is a good team. If you've been around the boards for awhile you know that he always finds some way to shed the Dragons in a negative light. If SLC wins 90-0 next week, he'd say it was b/c Lufkin's starting QB was out. If SLC wins 90-0 against SV at state, he'd find some excuse why the Rangers lost. I noticed some people started bringing Lufkin and their close calls into this "discussion." Don't waste your breath. Don't let Zippy fool you into thinking this thread is about SLC and Plano or SLC and Lufkin..this thread is about SLC and Smithson Valley nothing more.

[BAMF cowboy]

AMEN!! As Dodge said in the article before the game - - - his only "goal" vs Plano was to be ahead by 1 when the clock struck 0:00 . . . People need to understand that when you are in the 4th 5th and 6th round of playoffs - there ARE NO bad teams!!! All the teams are "That Good" or they wouldn't be here . . . especially the teams with the 13/14 - 0 records . . . you can't just "luck out" every week . . .

very true. essentially margin of victory, and comparative scores only really matter much in college football. in high school, the team that wins state worked to get there, and had to beat 5/6 very worthy teams respectively.

[pack98]

the lufkin game and SLC game to me can go either way i would not be surprised if it was 7 points to either side. this one is going to be close. not a blowout like the many looney23 said SLC 31 and lufkin 14 dont see that taking place. like the last 2 other years last team with the ball will win this game.

GO PANTHERS

[dragonfootballfan]

the lufkin game and SLC game to me can go either way i would not be surprised if it was 7 points to either side. this one is going to be close. not a blowout like the many looney23 said SLC 31 and lufkin 14 dont see that taking place. like the last 2 other years last team with the ball will win this game.

GO PANTHERS
Lufkin had the ball last in 2002. I for some reason can't remember who had the ball last in 2004.

[pack98]

cool forgot about that. but still i see the last peson with the ball wining this time around. going to be a great game. i am just ready for it to take place. it is going to be sad that one team is going to get beat but to have made it so far is just amazing itself. this showes why TEXAS FOOTBALL IS THE BEST IN THE NATION.

GO PANTHERS..

safe travels to all SLC.

[zippy]

The post is about what it is. Read it. Also please inform me as to what I have said that isnt true about SLC. I think your just upset that I dont agree with your fans about the SLC team this year. I am not afraid to state my opinion on them. If they face SV, SV will beat them, but we will have to wait and see if that will even happen. I will post more on that if it takes place. I will also not be afraid to post what I really feel, not what I think others want me to feel about SLC. But thanks for letting me know what the post is "really" about....:rolleyes:




People don't waste your time trying to convince Zippy SLC is a good team. If you've been around the boards for awhile you know that he always finds some way to shed the Dragons in a negative light. If SLC wins 90-0 next week, he'd say it was b/c Lufkin's starting QB was out. If SLC wins 90-0 against SV at state, he'd find some excuse why the Rangers lost. I noticed some people started bringing Lufkin and their close calls into this "discussion." Don't waste your breath. Don't let Zippy fool you into thinking this thread is about SLC and Plano or SLC and Lufkin..this thread is about SLC and Smithson Valley nothing more.

[dragonfootballfan]

I know, one loss can be overlooked, but two close games and you are overrated.

[drgnbkr]

Zippy, I know your frustrated, but you can't post your way to a title..your guys have to win one....Buffalo knows your pain....:D

[zippy]

Im not frustrated at all, I just hope SV beats Katy, and SLC wins. I will promise a SV win if they face SLC. Nobody can outcoach Hill when he faces a team in back to back years. He has never had a loss to a team, and not beat them the next year. He knows as much about SLC as Dodge does.


Zippy, I know your frustrated, but you can't post your way to a title..your guys have to win one....Buffalo knows your pain....:D

[PESHfan]

Ok, I saw Plano play this year, and no disrespect, but they did not seem that great. I also saw that Plano almost beat SLC. My question... was plano really that good? Or did SLC just have a bad game? All I know is that is SLC struggled with Plano, bottom line. I think Lufkin will take them? Am I wrong? I know that Lufkin lost their QB, but they do have another one that is suppose to be real good. What are everyone's thoughts on this? Im still not sold on SLC being better than last year. They have almost lost twice this year, against teams they should have beat fairly bad.

**Why I did not think Plano was that great--could not hold onto the ball, did not stop the run very well. Special teams had some weakness. They also made some major mental mistakes, like fielding punts and kickoffs that they should not have, and pitching on the option after big gains. They did this twice, and lost the ball both times. Great season to them, they are rebuilding and should be great again soon**

My kids all went to Plano East, so I consider myself semi-neutral here. I've seen Plano play four times this year. In the SLC game, I think the defense was at nearly their best. They just ran out of steam during the 4th quarter. They are usually the big play-makers that set things up for the offense to score. The offense needed to improve their passing game. They've proved that they have a great rushing game, but you can't win a state championship without being skilled at both passing and rushing. The major strength that SLC has is their skilled passing game. They are near flawless. In the rushing yardage, I believe they only have about 40 more yards than Plano.

SLC absolutely had to work for their win on Saturday. Plano did not go down without a fight. It was a great game, and both teams should be very proud of their efforts.

[GoDragons]

PackDad...we don't mind the drive. (Even though it is out in the middle of nowhere). That is not the point....it is the stadium. It is not big enough to accomodate all of the fans (SLC and Lufkin fans too.) We both have huge followings and it is ashamed that the stadium that was chosen is so small.

Yea..Yea....everyone keeps talking about the grassy areas on the side and it will hold more, etc., etc. We will make do...no matter what the circumstances and our fans will come.

Bottom line...the game will go on and so will the Dragons...to another state crown! See 'ya there! :D

[pshsfan]

anyone who has doubt about plano's ability should not be posting after that game.

[drgnbkr]

anyone who has doubt about plano's ability should not be posting after that game.

Hey, Zippy is just trying to figure out why people are always calling SV the Buffalo Bills of Texas High School Football...Plano does'nt have to explain anything to anybody..your were a handful Saturday...there have only been a few games in the last 4 years during which I wondered if we had enough in the tank...Saturday was one of those..until our defense asserted their will.

[zippy]

Just hope Katy wins, thats all I have to say.

Hey, Zippy is just trying to figure out why people are always calling SV the Buffalo Bills of Texas High School Football...

[LoneStarProud]

Katy will beat Smithson Valley. SLC will beat Lufkin. In the championship game it will come down to a missed field goal by Katy. SLC wins state.
Hey...everyone else seems to be a psycic...I can be one too. :cool:
Honestly, I have no idea about the outcome of the next two weeks...the above scenario is on my christmas list though.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Ok, I saw Plano play this year, and no disrespect, but they did not seem that great. I also saw that Plano almost beat SLC. My question... was plano really that good? Or did SLC just have a bad game? All I know is that is SLC struggled with Plano, bottom line. I think Lufkin will take them? Am I wrong? I know that Lufkin lost their QB, but they do have another one that is suppose to be real good. What are everyone's thoughts on this? Im still not sold on SLC being better than last year. They have almost lost twice this year, against teams they should have beat fairly bad.

**Why I did not think Plano was that great--could not hold onto the ball, did not stop the run very well. Special teams had some weakness. They also made some major mental mistakes, like fielding punts and kickoffs that they should not have, and pitching on the option after big gains. They did this twice, and lost the ball both times. Great season to them, they are rebuilding and should be great again soon**

What game did you see? the scrimmage before the first game? Pitching on the option after big gains?

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

So I guess by your definition any team that didn't play a great game in zero week, won a close district game and was losing in the 2nd half in a regional final playoff game cannot possibly be the best team in the state in spite of being 14-0. Well, I guess by that definition there are no great teams. So Plano contained the pass? is over 300 yards containment? No running game? Did you know that SLC has outrushed their opponents in all but 1 game this year? By the way, SLC had almost 600 yards against Plano while holding Plano to less than 300 yards. Plano played a great game but the only reason the game was as close as it was was because of 3 interceptions.

Last time I checked INT's was part of the game. It's like sayng Plano's 2 touchdown passes were the only reason they stayed close in the game. Don't make moronic statements. Everything in the game is part of the game. Somethings stand out more than others. Ever thought why MCC through 3 INT's was due to the coverage of the Plano Defense and they were prepared for the type of reads and routes the SLC receivers ran?

[hollywood]

Last time I checked INT's was part of the game. It's like sayng Plano's 2 touchdown passes were the only reason they stayed close in the game. Don't make moronic statements. Everything in the game is part of the game. Somethings stand out more than others. Ever thought why MCC through 3 INT's was due to the coverage of the Plano Defense and they were prepared for the type of reads and routes the SLC receivers ran?

I will take three interceptions while giving up some passing yardage and take my chances. That is what Plano had to do. They were the most effective defense against SLC I have seen. There were some really great defensive saves on Plano's part. Yes it was due to good defense. I have seen other oponents of SLC get hit in the face and / or hands and act very surprised. They drop the interceptions. Plano was looking for them and therefore were ready when the opportunities arose. The Plano offense only turned the ball over once I believe, late in the game. If not for that the game would have been closer still. Just a great game.

[WILDCAT27]

Ok, I saw Plano play this year, and no disrespect, but they did not seem that great. I also saw that Plano almost beat SLC. My question... was plano really that good? Or did SLC just have a bad game? All I know is that is SLC struggled with Plano, bottom line. I think Lufkin will take them? Am I wrong? I know that Lufkin lost their QB, but they do have another one that is suppose to be real good. What are everyone's thoughts on this? Im still not sold on SLC being better than last year. They have almost lost twice this year, against teams they should have beat fairly bad.

**Why I did not think Plano was that great--could not hold onto the ball, did not stop the run very well. Special teams had some weakness. They also made some major mental mistakes, like fielding punts and kickoffs that they should not have, and pitching on the option after big gains. They did this twice, and lost the ball both times. Great season to them, they are rebuilding and should be great again soon**


i have a great respect for katy and know that they are a good football team this year, but how can you even compare them to plano/slc/lufkin this year? you are juging plano on how they played tough with the #1 team in the nation and your from katy. who has katy had to play all year? look at their playoff matchups. some people ere saying earlier that euless had the easiest road to state, but katys is right up there on the easy schedules. they dont even have to play a worthy opponent until the state semifinals and katy nearly lost to 9-5 cy falls last week. i just dont see how you can discredit southlake and plano when although your team is undefeated, havent had to play any powerhouse teams all season

great game dragons. hope its another great game next week against lufkin

[my3sons]

Katy's a good ballclub but they have had the easier road. Sure all the hurricane stuff was difficult to deal with and they deserve some credit. However, they have not played 14 games like the other 3 teams have, therefore, they haven't had the challenge of injury. Ask Lufkin if they could have advanced to the semifinals without having to play 1 game, which game would it be? Probably the game in which they lost their QB. Their playoff opponents haven't had the record as compared to the other 3 teams. Lastly, don't discount SV. I think they will beat Katy by 10 or more.

[zippy]

Im from SV, read some posts. Just proving a point to Dragonfootballfan about location.


i have a great respect for katy and know that they are a good football team this year, but how can you even compare them to plano/slc/lufkin this year? you are juging plano on how they played tough with the #1 team in the nation and your from katy. who has katy had to play all year? look at their playoff matchups. some people ere saying earlier that euless had the easiest road to state, but katys is right up there on the easy schedules. they dont even have to play a worthy opponent until the state semifinals and katy nearly lost to 9-5 cy falls last week. i just dont see how you can discredit southlake and plano when although your team is undefeated, havent had to play any powerhouse teams all season

great game dragons. hope its another great game next week against lufkin

[zippy]

Plano vs. Midland High at Abilene.


What game did you see? the scrimmage before the first game? Pitching on the option after big gains?

[Maroon Cathead]

Zippy is right on the pitch in the Midland game; I think Jordan fumbled it out of bounds. Sfikas made a big gain on a keeper and tried to pitch to Jordan way downfield. It was a good pitch, Jordan didn't handle it, but I believe Plano kept the ball when it went out of bounds.

Zippy, Plano was a very good ballclub. For the most part, the progam has gotten back to basics, and that is good.

Plano versus Southlake Carroll was a matchup between two excellent teams with two excellent coaching staffs. It turned into a chess match.

In the end, Southlake Carroll was able to take control of the game. Wish Plano could have but it didn't happen.

In closing, Plano was that good, and Southlake Carroll played a good game.

[zippy]

Thank you. That is all I wanted to know pre-SLC comments. Again, thanks..


Zippy is right on the pitch in the Midland game; I think Jordan fumbled it out of bounds. Sfikas made a big gain on a keeper and tried to pitch to Jordan way downfield. It was a good pitch, Jordan didn't handle it, but I believe Plano kept the ball when it went out of bounds.

Zippy, Plano was a very good ballclub. For the most part, the progam has gotten back to basics, and that is good.

Plano versus Southlake Carroll was a matchup between two excellent teams with two excellent coaching staffs. It turned into a chess match.

In the end, Southlake Carroll was able to take control of the game. Wish Plano could have but it didn't happen.

In closing, Plano was that good, and Southlake Carroll played a good game.

[toonman]

Im not frustrated at all, I just hope SV beats Katy, and SLC wins. I will promise a SV win if they face SLC. Nobody can outcoach Hill when he faces a team in back to back years. He has never had a loss to a team, and not beat them the next year. He knows as much about SLC as Dodge does.


It's pity that Coach Hill didn't know as much about Katy as Coach Joseph or SV may be playing in the State Championship.

[dragonfootballfan]

I just wonder how long it is going to be before zippy returns to the board.

[zippy]

Today, as soon as I got home after spending time with family and watching the Rangers. No big deal, SLC lucked out however. Too bad SV had a young QB that struggled the entire first half. Maybe next year he will feel more comfortable in those situations. You cant play a first half like that and expect to win (almost got it however) Good luck, SLC should get their revenge this week.


I just wonder how long it is going to be before zippy returns to the board.

[zippy]

No, the pitty is that SV played the first half like they did. The coaching was fine.


It's pity that Coach Hill didn't know as much about Katy as Coach Joseph or SV may be playing in the State Championship.

[SLC fan]

No big deal, SLC lucked out however.

Yeah, we were really sweating bullets over the prospect of facing Smithson Valley again. They've clearly proven that they have our number after only losing by three last year. We're oh so fortunate to have drawn Katy instead. I don't think anyone can dispute that. Nobody will mistake Katy's track record for SV's, that's for sure.

[dragonfootballfan]

No big deal, SLC lucked out however.
I am so much more afraid of a team that Carroll has beaten twice, has no titles and had already lost this season than a team that has beaten Carroll, has five titles and is undefeated.

[drgnbkr]

I am so much more afraid of a team that Carroll has beaten twice, has no titles and had already lost this season than a team that has beaten Carroll, has five titles and is undefeated.

Man, we're doing fine with the Katy folks smack-wise..it's the guys who are'nt playing anymore who keep at it....:rolleyes:

[dragonfootballfan]

Man, we're doing fine with the Katy folks smack-wise..it's the guys who are'nt playing anymore who keep at it....:rolleyes:
It is much more enjoyable to talk smack with somebody whose best come back is, "You are just lucky that we were worse than the team that you have to play"

[zippy]

SV has beat Katy, past does not matter...


I am so much more afraid of a team that Carroll has beaten twice, has no titles and had already lost this season than a team that has beaten Carroll, has five titles and is undefeated.

[zippy]

Well, see you next season, keep being a jerk, it makes everyones day great.. You will go far in life. Sad thing is, you are probably a nice guy, who never smarts off when not behind a computer.. Peace.


It is much more enjoyable to talk smack with somebody whose best come back is, "You are just lucky that we were worse than the team that you have to play"

[zippy]

Ask Katy people (who were at the game). SV played the worse 1st half they have ever played. Even worse than the 1st half against Churchill. They played an everyday 2nd half and killed Katy. Ask them if they could have beat an SV team played both halfs like the first one. NO! You were not at the game, you dont know, so dont make comments that you have no clue about.


It is much more enjoyable to talk smack with somebody whose best come back is, "You are just lucky that we were worse than the team that you have to play"

[dragonfootballfan]

Ask Katy people (who were at the game). SV played the worse 1st half they have ever played. Even worse than the 1st half against Churchill. They played an everyday 2nd half and killed Katy. Ask them if they could have beat an SV team played both halfs like the first one. NO! You were not at the game, you dont know, so dont make comments that you have no clue about.
I don't need to be at the game to be able to know that Katy beat Smithson Valley. If Smithson Valley "killed" Katy in the second half, why did they only score 14 points?

[zippy]

why didnt Katy score any points?


I don't need to be at the game to be able to know that Katy beat Smithson Valley. If Smithson Valley "killed" Katy in the second half, why did they only score 14 points?

[dragonfootballfan]

why didnt Katy score any points?
killed to me implies blowout. I would not call outscoring somebody 14-0 a blowout. Katy did not score any points because they did not have to. It would not have mattered whether they scored ot not. What mattered was that they held Smithson Valley below 17 which was all that was needed. I guess you still think that Smithson Valley is better than Katy because they scored three less points than them.

[Dragonuncle]

Zippy, your kidding right???????????????

[BAMF cowboy]

why didnt Katy score any points?

it doesnt matter, football is a game of 2 halfs. you could've played lights out in the 2nd half, but you did not win the game. you wont get your chance at revenge this year, we are getting ours. ill be looking forward to playoffs next year to have these discussions all over again.

[SLC fan]

Ask Katy people (who were at the game). SV played the worse 1st half they have ever played. Even worse than the 1st half against Churchill. They played an everyday 2nd half and killed Katy. Ask them if they could have beat an SV team played both halfs like the first one. NO! You were not at the game, you dont know, so dont make comments that you have no clue about.

You sound like Carroll fans after last year's title game. "If not for Daniel's two fumbles, if not for the blocked punt, if not for playing such an uncharacteristically poor game . . . Smithson Valley would have been blown out."

[zippy]

Whatever, all you SLC people were at the SLC/Lufkin game, you wouldnt know. No point in this discussion. Good luck next week.


You sound like Carroll fans after last year's title game. "If not for Daniel's two fumbles, if not for the blocked punt, if not for playing such an uncharacteristically poor game . . . Smithson Valley would have been blown out."

[dragonfootballfan]

Whatever, all you SLC people were at the SLC/Lufkin game, you wouldnt know. No point in this discussion. Good luck next week.
I do know that Smithson Valley lost. That is all I need to know to figure out who was the better team. Unless you evaluate teams differently then the scoreboard, you would be able to see that too

[zippy]

You obviously dont know much about the game as I see. The best team does not always win. Sometimes they beat themselves. That was the case, but again, you would not know. If all you use to evaluate a team is the scoreboard, your an idiot. I also think you are the one that said the same thing about SLC's game against Grapevine (or whoever almost beat them), and Plano. If Grapevine would have held off SLC (which they almost did), would you say that they are better than SLC, and could beat all the teams that SLC did? If I evaluate SLC based on the scoreboard against Grapevine, then SLC is going to get a beating Saturday..


I do know that Smithson Valley lost. That is all I need to know to figure out who was the better team. Unless you evaluate teams differently then the scoreboard, you would be able to see that too

[BAMF cowboy]

You obviously dont know much about the game as I see. The best team does not always win. Sometimes they beat themselves. That was the case, but again, you would not know. If all you use to evaluate a team is the scoreboard, your an idiot. I also think you are the one that said the same thing about SLC's game against Grapevine (or whoever almost beat them), and Plano. If Grapevine would have held off SLC (which they almost did), would you say that they are better than SLC, and could beat all the teams that SLC did? If I evaluate SLC based on the scoreboard against Grapevine, then SLC is going to get a beating Saturday..

obviously you were not at that game, because it was SLC that held off Grapevine in the final quarter. Also, the key point in your post is grapevine almost beat SLC. However, I do agree with you that sometimes the best team is not the best team on that day. But it's the playoffs, you gotta win or go home. Katy took care of business.

[dragonfootballfan]

You obviously dont know much about the game as I see. The best team does not always win. Sometimes they beat themselves. That was the case, but again, you would not know. If all you use to evaluate a team is the scoreboard, your an idiot. I also think you are the one that said the same thing about SLC's game against Grapevine (or whoever almost beat them), and Plano. If Grapevine would have held off SLC (which they almost did), would you say that they are better than SLC, and could beat all the teams that SLC did? If I evaluate SLC based on the scoreboard against Grapevine, then SLC is going to get a beating Saturday..
What I said was I evaluate whether a team was better or not when comparing two teams that have played by who has more points on the scoreboard. Smithson Valley had less points than Katy so therefore they were worse than Katy.

[toonman]

You obviously dont know much about the game as I see. The best team does not always win. Sometimes they beat themselves. That was the case, but again, you would not know. If all you use to evaluate a team is the scoreboard, your an idiot. I also think you are the one that said the same thing about SLC's game against Grapevine (or whoever almost beat them), and Plano. If Grapevine would have held off SLC (which they almost did), would you say that they are better than SLC, and could beat all the teams that SLC did? If I evaluate SLC based on the scoreboard against Grapevine, then SLC is going to get a beating Saturday..


Unfortunately Zippy, the scoreboard is the final arbitrator. 20 years from now the record books will show a win for SLC vs Grapevine in 2005 and a win for Katy vs SV in 2005. There will be no asterisks or notes saying that in these games “the best team actually lost”.