What is so special about the Trinity offense?

[ROCKETSRULE]

Please tell me what is so special about the trojan offense, I just want know. Then I want to know who in the hell do they have left in West Texas to compare that to? Because there is no one in West Texas playing football like in the San Antonio region. You may think you are all that and able to do all that when you dont play anybody at all. 265A is the best in the state. Yall used to have game out there (I wont mention who silinced all three of your best attempts to play us in a state game). The level of play just doesnt compare. But just for grins tell us about that offense anyway. Then if we could get anyone from wf to come back to the forrum, they could tell you about the deffense that shutdown their self proclaimed best offense in the world. The Judson coaches did an outstanding job scouting that wf offense and then proceded to shut it down. It was nothing like we saw all year, with all world backs and all universe qb, and in one week they put together the proper scheme to shut it down. Expect the same next week.

[southlake thug]

1). There line is massive
2.) They have 2 very talented and quick RB
3.) They have a QB that is accurate and smart


That is all you need. This is a very good dangerous offense.

[jrp83]

Please tell me what is so special about the trojan offense, I just want know. Then I want to know who in the hell do they have left in West Texas to compare that to? Because there is no one in West Texas playing football like in the San Antonio region. You may think you are all that and able to do all that when you dont play anybody at all. 265A is the best in the state. Yall used to have game out there (I wont mention who silinced all three of your best attempts to play us in a state game). The level of play just doesnt compare. But just for grins tell us about that offense anyway. Then if we could get anyone from wf to come back to the forrum, they could tell you about the deffense that shutdown their self proclaimed best offense in the world. The Judson coaches did an outstanding job scouting that wf offense and then proceded to shut it down. It was nothing like we saw all year, with all world backs and all universe qb, and in one week they put together the proper scheme to shut it down. Expect the same next week.
This is not typical of most Judson fans. Most of us respect Trinity's program and feel it will take another monumental effort on Judson's part to win. I expect it will be close whoever wins. I'm cheering for my Rockets of course, Go Rockets!!

[YuccaRoot]

I think southlake thug just about covered why Euless Trinity's offense is so special.

[RidgePride]

nothing special.

You will know what is coming, you just have to stop it.

That play action pass is a killer because you have to use so many players to stop the power toss sweep.

In my opinion, Plano is better or even - -

[LoneRocket]

Please tell me what is so special about the trojan offense, I just want know. Then I want to know who in the hell do they have left in West Texas to compare that to? Because there is no one in West Texas playing football like in the San Antonio region. You may think you are all that and able to do all that when you dont play anybody at all. 265A is the best in the state. Yall used to have game out there (I wont mention who silinced all three of your best attempts to play us in a state game). The level of play just doesnt compare. But just for grins tell us about that offense anyway. Then if we could get anyone from wf to come back to the forrum, they could tell you about the deffense that shutdown their self proclaimed best offense in the world. The Judson coaches did an outstanding job scouting that wf offense and then proceded to shut it down. It was nothing like we saw all year, with all world backs and all universe qb, and in one week they put together the proper scheme to shut it down. Expect the same next week.
Be nice, lets have none of that this week.

[ROCKETSRULE]

I just dont think they have played a defense with this much speed.

[btrain38]

Please tell me what is so special about the trojan offense, I just want know. Then I want to know who in the hell do they have left in West Texas to compare that to? Because there is no one in West Texas playing football like in the San Antonio region. You may think you are all that and able to do all that when you dont play anybody at all. 265A is the best in the state. Yall used to have game out there (I wont mention who silinced all three of your best attempts to play us in a state game). The level of play just doesnt compare. But just for grins tell us about that offense anyway. Then if we could get anyone from wf to come back to the forrum, they could tell you about the deffense that shutdown their self proclaimed best offense in the world. The Judson coaches did an outstanding job scouting that wf offense and then proceded to shut it down. It was nothing like we saw all year, with all world backs and all universe qb, and in one week they put together the proper scheme to shut it down. Expect the same next week.
BOTH TEAMS ARE 4 AND 0. GOOD LUCK TO BOTH TEAMS.
GO TROJANS

[gritty52]

There are 14 Defensive coordinators out there you can ask what is so special!!!! You don't want to start running off at the mouth there! Come Saturday you'll see what is special. I can't really get into it with you yet until I see film on you guys tommorrow at the booster club meeting. I can't personally see yaw more scrappier than a-m consol. I'll get back on here Monday and see if yaw put a fear in me or not.

[bugw09]

I just dont think they have played a defense with this much speed.

I haven't seen Judson play but I can't imagine any defenses faster than SGP and MAC. Or a defense that can tackle as well as A&M. I do believe you will be the hardest defense we've played but speed isn't this issue. We haven't been held under 28 points the entire season. I think you should show us some respect. Teams don't get to the state championship anymore without being legit (i.e. our 1992 team). I think yall have definitely overacheived this year and hopefully our "weak offense" can beat yall. This is going to be a battle of a team with a great offense and a good defense(Trinity) against a team with a good offense and a great defense(Judson). WE will see who prevails.

[CNV J-Roc]

I just dont think they have played a defense with this much speed.


Wow, a week ago we were short, fat, and slow...

[dwistheman]

Wow, a week ago we were short, fat, and slow...

Judson is short, fat, and slow, and dont let anyone tell you different!

[CNV J-Roc]

Judson is short, fat, and slow, and dont let anyone tell you different!


Already

[implacable44]

1). There line is massive
2.) They have 2 very talented and quick RB
3.) They have a QB that is accurate and smart


That is all you need. This is a very good dangerous offense.

how kind - i dont recall you making those types of comments about Trinity when there was a possibility that SLC would go D1 ?

anyway - Trinity is nothing special. I have seen them play twice. Their most impressive performance will be before the game when they do the Hakka - which the Rockets probably won't even see because they do it behind the air tunnel. They are big and they have two good running backs. Thier seconday is a joke and the Rockets will be able to move the ball through the air. Their QB is pretty good although he doesn't throw very often because they have been able to run the ball effectively. Should be a good game.

[nate]

I just dont think they have played a defense with this much speed.

Speed won't help your defenders when they're lying on their back.

[implacable44]

Speed won't help your defenders when they're lying on their back.

they wont be lying on their back if they aren't hit now will they ? rather they will be the ones putting people on their back. - better hope that secondary can stay disciplined and not get beat.

[bullrock]

I was hopin' we could keep it clean folks. There seem to be new Rocket posters crawling out of the woodwork. Please...let's keep a low profile. it's too late to sneak up on anyone, so don't give them any bulletin board stuff this week.

[BAMF cowboy]

1). There line is massive
2.) They have 2 very talented and quick RB
3.) They have a QB that is accurate and smart


That is all you need. This is a very good dangerous offense.


from the times ive seen trinity play the qb has not been very accurate. he's been looking at the right places, and seen the open man, but overthrowns balls of stopped potential tds

[southlake thug]

how kind - i dont recall you making those types of comments about Trinity when there was a possibility that SLC would go D1 ?

anyway - Trinity is nothing special. I have seen them play twice. Their most impressive performance will be before the game when they do the Hakka - which the Rockets probably won't even see because they do it behind the air tunnel. They are big and they have two good running backs. Thier seconday is a joke and the Rockets will be able to move the ball through the air. Their QB is pretty good although he doesn't throw very often because they have been able to run the ball effectively. Should be a good game.


I never once commented on ithe potential matchup of ET and SLC. I was impressed when I saw them first play, and I have said nothing but good things about them on here.

And you basically backed up all of my observations in your summary of their team.

[JRocketMan]

See the Rockets take no one lightly, you probably do have a great offense and so did alot of the teams we played and thats were tapes, practice, and coaching steps in..So in a nut shell, The Rockets need to keep their offense of the field as long as possible..Kind of what the other people on this forum said to do against Spring Westfield. Imp44 and Dragon, thank you for answering the thread honestly..The Rockets will be prepared to fight..

[dwistheman]

I was hopin' we could keep it clean folks. There seem to be new Rocket posters crawling out of the woodwork. Please...let's keep a low profile. it's too late to sneak up on anyone, so don't give them any bulletin board stuff this week.

Maybe KT can put one week moratorium on posting. If you joined the board after the Wesfield game.....NO SOUP FOR YOU! :D

[hollywood]

I don't know who wins this game. But after it is done. I would like to hear what Judson has to say about the Trinity offense. I expect Trinity will have good things to say about the Judson defense. But just be careful about putting too many folks in the box. The Trinity QB is pretty good!

[JRocketMan]

I don't know who wins this game. But after it is done. I would like to hear what Judson has to say about the Trinity offense. I expect Trinity will have good things to say about the Judson defense. But just be careful about putting too many folks in the box. The Trinity QB is pretty good!

Yeah, were not like most and dont stack the box..We stick with our game plan and make adjustsments when neccassary..This will be an excellent game.. I guess this is why its the State Finals..

[stinger]

Don't worry about what is so special about the Trinity offense. You will find out, and regret it, soon enough. Becareful what you ask for...it might come true and bite you in the A$$.!!!

[ACM Dad]

Interesting thread. I've not seen Judson play, I've seen Trinity. I can't predict who will win. But, I've also witnessed great offensive performances from a lot of teams this year.

I will try to answer the original question.

1. The Trinity offensive line are like glaciers. Where they want to go, they end up. Not always the quickest though. But, in their lumbering, the small backs get lost in the shuffle. I don't think it's easy to see past or over 300lb guys. It is easy for a small running back to effectively hide until the last moment. I also expected a hot day in Waco to take these big linemen out of their game. I figured they'd wilt in the heat. They did not.

The Judson D-line will have to be big, strong and fast.

2. Trinity has skill players to compliment the line. No skill players would leave that line looking massive, slow and ineffective. The RB rushed for 3,000 yards this season. As mentioned above, he gets lost in the shuffle until he's squirting by you.

Trinity can be beat as witnessed by their record. If you've got a QB that can hit the mid-range pass and come up with some take-aways and big stops on D, you've got a good chance of winning. Trinity hit a couple of huge plays in the 3rd Q to take away any momentum we had going into halftime. The kid that caught that long 40 yard pass did it with one hand under darn good coverage.

I think if Consol had played them 3 games in a row, we win at least one of them. If Judson doesn't turn the ball over, plays quick strong D, takes the ball away several times and can effectively throw the ball, they can win this game.

But, I have no ideas about Judson as I've not seen them play, nor do I even have a clue as to what offensive they run.

[hollywood]

Yeah, were not like most and dont stack the box..We stick with our game plan and make adjustsments when neccassary..This will be an excellent game.. I guess this is why its the State Finals..

Well thats the way to go. The only team to beat Trinity this year was SGP, my home team. But they played their best game of the year to do it. It should be a great game.

[TrojanHorse03]

I was hopin' we could keep it clean folks. There seem to be new Rocket posters crawling out of the woodwork. Please...let's keep a low profile. it's too late to sneak up on anyone, so don't give them any bulletin board stuff this week.

To late, but it doesn't matter at this point in the game u either bring it or don't come at all. I just hope these comments don't in any way reflect an other wise classy program in the Judson because Trinity will be bustin its @ss for one more week for what it considers to be a worthy opponent. At Trinity motivation is plenty abound anyways its week 15, and the criticism is the still the same, and still a bunch of garbage too :D ! Some of those experts are now involved in roundball season anyways...:D

No. The rankings are only there to try and give an idea of the best teams in the state when there's no tangible way to compare them. The playoffs are the ultimate test, and the real teams will survive and be there in the end.

[PantherFan70]

Interesting thread. I've not seen Judson play, I've seen Trinity. I can't predict who will win. But, I've also witnessed great offensive performances from a lot of teams this year.

I will try to answer the original question.

1. The Trinity offensive line are like glaciers. Where they want to go, they end up. Not always the quickest though. But, in their lumbering, the small backs get lost in the shuffle. I don't think it's easy to see past or over 300lb guys. It is easy for a small running back to effectively hide until the last moment. I also expected a hot day in Waco to take these big linemen out of their game. I figured they'd wilt in the heat. They did not.

The Judson D-line will have to be big, strong and fast.

2. Trinity has skill players to compliment the line. No skill players would leave that line looking massive, slow and ineffective. The RB rushed for 3,000 yards this season. As mentioned above, he gets lost in the shuffle until he's squirting by you.

Trinity can be beat as witnessed by their record. If you've got a QB that can hit the mid-range pass and come up with some take-aways and big stops on D, you've got a good chance of winning. Trinity hit a couple of huge plays in the 3rd Q to take away any momentum we had going into halftime. The kid that caught that long 40 yard pass did it with one hand under darn good coverage.

I think if Consol had played them 3 games in a row, we win at least one of them. If Judson doesn't turn the ball over, plays quick strong D, takes the ball away several times and can effectively throw the ball, they can win this game.

But, I have no ideas about Judson as I've not seen them play, nor do I even have a clue as to what offensive they run.

Judson's D doesn't play the average defense you see in the trenches. They line up way off o fthe ball, and it's almost like everyone on the line is a LB. They wait and look for the ball and where it's going. It throws a lot of O-lines off because they are waiting to be attacked and tey aren't. Judson See's where the ball is going and lights the ball carrier up! They are very good at staying in their gaps and playing great D all around. Judson has a Tough D and their intensity level is like no one els's I have seen. They also never stop until the whistle blows. Even if the RB has been tackled they are still shoving until the whistle blows. They are a VERY UNDERESTIMATED DEFENSE, actually were a underestimated defense, I'm sure Trinity has to have some concern, and if they aren't they are in for a shock! I haven't seen trinity play, but if a RB can get 3, 000 yards their O-line is nothing to brush aside! I can't wait to go to the game!

[TrojanHorse03]

Judson's D doesn't play the average defense you see in the trenches. They line up way off o fthe ball, and it's almost like everyone on the line is a LB. They wait and look for the ball and where it's going. It throws a lot of O-lines off because they are waiting to be attacked and tey aren't. Judson See's where the ball is going and lights the ball carrier up! They are very good at staying in their gaps and playing great D all around. Judson has a Tough D and their intensity level is like no one els's I have seen. They also never stop until the whistle blows. Even if the RB has been tackled they are still shoving until the whistle blows. They are a VERY UNDERESTIMATED DEFENSE, actually were a underestimated defense, I'm sure Trinity has to have some concern, and if they aren't they are in for a shock! I haven't seen trinity play, but if a RB can get 3, 000 yards their O-line is nothing to brush aside! I can't wait to go to the game!

Actually Judson is quite remembered by many for their famous swarming technique of defense. Few teams emphasize teamwork and tackling on defense the way Judson still does, its one of their trademarks.

[AmerBear]

Changing an image: 2,134 yards and 30 TDs

By ANGEL H. VERDEJO

STAR-TELEGRAM STAFF WRITER

EULESS -- Dimitri Nance ran for more than 1,600 yards and scored 18 touchdowns his junior year, earning him all-district and all-area honors.

As far as college recruiting though, Nance was nowhere near the top of recruiting lists. Area coaches and players saw Nance's abilities, but questions of his size and speed and whether his success was because of his huge offensive line still lingered.

So Nance continued to run and work. He went to Trinity every Saturday over the summer and ran on the track. Then he went to the weight room and sometimes even to Pennington Field with teammates and ran the bleachers.

"I told myself that I had to get a lot faster, stronger and quicker," Nance said. "I was happy with last year, but I knew I was going to be the main back this year, so I had to step it up."

It's paid off. As a senior, Nance has rushed for 2,134 yards on 203 carries (10.5 per carry). He has scored 30 TDs and leads Trinity (9-1) into its matchup with Fossil Ridge (6-4) in a Class 5A Division I bi-district playoff at 3 p.m. Saturday at Texas Stadium.

Entering the year, Nance wasn't getting the same attention as others in the area or state. There was interest, but mostly from unheralded Division I schools.

He wasn't even projected as one of the top backs in 6-5A; Coppell's Emmanuel Moody and Irving's Jamaal Evans drew more acclaim.

Nance opened the season with 163 yards and two touchdowns against DeSoto. He scored four touchdowns in each of the next three games, including the district opener against Coppell, where he outgained Moody 178-48.

"I'm starting to get more calls than I did in the beginning of the season," said Nance, who has received interest from Arizona State, Oklahoma State, Missouri and New Mexico State.

"I couldn't really ask for more. At least I'm getting recognized."

Said Trinity coach Steve Lineweaver: "Under the radar is not anymore. We have a very good line, but he has really good vision and good balance. We go into scrimmages with ourselves in the spring. When Dimitri's in there, those things go 60 [yards]; when some of the other guys are in there, they go six with the same blocking."

The size of the offensive line is a knock on the Trojans backs. It averages about 290 pounds per man, but a good running back must still find and read the holes.

"Once they get past the line of scrimmage, that line ain't going 10 yards down the field," said South Grand Prairie coach David Fisher, whose team beat Trinity but gave up 228 yards to Nance. "At that point, a back's instincts take over. Nance has the ability to run over people, around people, by people.

"He finishes everything he runs. There may be times around the goal line when you have a guy in position and he just runs through them. You can't coach that, you're either a physical guy with that mentality or you're not."

IN THE KNOW

A measure of his talent

How Dimitri Nance's rushing totals this season compare with statistics for the 11 running backs in the Star-Telegram preseason State 100 recruiting list:


Player, School (where committed) Ht. Wt. Car. Yds. TDs
Dimitri Nance, Trinity 5-10 195 203 2,134 30
Jamaal Evans, Irving 5-9 175 264 1,793 12
Baron Batch, Midland (Texas Tech) 5-10 170 184 1,591 21
Antwan Cobb, Pflugerville 6-0 200 162 1,372 10
Derke Robinson, Hebron (Texas) 6-1 205 163 1,298 12
Vondrell McGee, Longview, (Texas) 5-9 180 144 1,235 16
Emmanuel Moody, Coppell (Texas) 6-1 195 169 1,141 14
Trent Hines, Midland Lee, (Texas A&M) 6-2 205 174 987 10
Michael Goodson, Klein Collins, (Okla. St.) 6-0 195 99 973 8
Donte Bean, North Garland 5-9 180 191 968 12
Cornell Tarrant, Dallas Samuel 5-11 185 129 587 7
Latreal Cooper, Cuero, (Texas A&M) 6-2 200 72 347 8

[}THS{LaNcEr]

i'll excuse you for your ignorance in doubting a 2nd ranked offense.

no. im not making that up.
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and don't make gods of your defense. they're ranked 13th.
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and PLEASE enlighten as to how you guys lost 4 times during the season.

[a&mconsoltiger]

after playing euless trinity on saturday i could their whole team was basically dimitri nance, if he is stopped then you got them beat, their quarterback threw like 2 passes against us and 1 of them was a interception,so advice to whoever plays them next is to stop nance and you'll force them to throw which is one of their weaknesses

[TrojanHorse03]

after playing euless trinity on saturday i could their whole team was basically dimitri nance, if he is stopped then you got them beat, their quarterback threw like 2 passes against us and 1 of them was a interception,so advice to whoever plays them next is to stop nance and you'll force them to throw which is one of their weaknesses

I think there's no noubt Dimitri Nance is our 1st option. But its thought processes like the one above that had Laderrick Handy, a 1,000 yd rusher himself, running in to the endzone 3 times untouched. #23 Marcus King(remember him :D ) as well as some other guys we didn't have to use are pretty good as well. Underestimate them at your own risk....;)

[ACM Dad]

I'll have a ton of photos posted later to my site. But, you once the Trinity O-line gets their hands on your defense, you will get pushed around. Don't count on the refs to call holding. Not an excuse as we still couldn't score very well on their D. I don't care how good of shape you are in, if you're playing all game against a guy that outweighs you by a large margin, you will get tired. Judson has to find a way to keep those big guys from grabbing and hanging on.

Looking at the first half photos, it was less like a football game in the trenches, more like a Sumo wrestling match!

[bugw09]

after playing euless trinity on saturday i could their whole team was basically dimitri nance, if he is stopped then you got them beat, their quarterback threw like 2 passes against us and 1 of them was a interception,so advice to whoever plays them next is to stop nance and you'll force them to throw which is one of their weaknesses

Please believe this post JUDSON. First of all, we did not need to pass. Second of all, it was really hard to considering the wind. Laderrick Handy had three TD's against yall, how is that not a weapon? Trevor is a very accurate QB, his only problem is that he can only check one receiver. If he would learn to look at more than one receiver on a route then he would be D1 material. If JUDSON is able to cover the #1 option on our pass plays, then you have the play defeated, most likely for a sack or interception. But 80% of the time our receivers are wide freaking open because of the defenses cheating toward the line. I just don't see how a defense can stop Dimitri if they don't load the box. All that does is give our OL more time to get speed to block.

[TrojanHorse03]

Please believe this post JUDSON. First of all, we did not need to pass. Second of all, it was really hard to considering the wind. Laderrick Handy had three TD's against yall, how is that not a weapon? Trevor is a very accurate QB, his only problem is that he can only check one receiver. If he would learn to look at more than one receiver on a route then he would be D1 material. If JUDSON is able to cover the #1 option on our pass plays, then you have the play defeated, most likely for a sack or interception. But 80% of the time our receivers are wide freaking open because of the defenses cheating toward the line. I just don't see how a defense can stop Dimitri if they don't load the box. All that does is give our OL more time to get speed to block.

Please believe that part :D !

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

Judson's D doesn't play the average defense you see in the trenches. They line up way off of the ball, and it's almost like everyone on the line is a LB. They wait and look for the ball and where it's going. It throws a lot of O-lines off because they are waiting to be attacked and they aren't.

OH...MY...GOD!!! Does this mean Judson's going to give a 372, 335, 310, and several 302 lb. O-linemen a chance to get up a full head of steam before they can block somebody? OUCH!
TRINITY TROJANS

[TrojanHorse03]

Even though this thread is dissing the Trinity offense, I don't want it to be lost that Judson's defense is really, really good. Despite the numbers or the record I'd say they're a top 10 defense and this game could be tight.

[ACM Dad]

I don't think anyone is dissing the Trinity O. It's damn effective at what it does.

[YuccaRoot]

Euless Trinity is also very patient and confident...when a break comes their way in a tight game against a good team, then they turn it up a notch. In the 3rd Quarter v. A&M Consolidated with the score 7-3 and facing 3rd and long, Euless Trinity completed a long pass with A&M Consolidated's defense in perfect defensive position. The receiver was well covered but he made a spectacular one-handed grab. After that play, Euless Trinity begin to roll.

[TrojanWebman]

Looking forward to the photos ACM Dad. BTW, we have about 13,000 pics on the Trinity website if anyone wants to take a peek. Varsity pics for this season are in the Members section since we lost our team photographer.

You can see what the Trinity O does by looking at most any game in the season.

I want to hear some about this Judson D. Other than shutting down the Westfield offense, how has this D performed in the other dozen games this season??

[SVite]

I think southlake thug just about covered why Euless Trinity's offense is so special.

Wait till that huge line meets that strong,and quick Judson "D".They are some run stuffers,and the secondary is tight.It`s gonna take one awsome game plan to put up 14 or more points.And the offense plays old school smash mouth football.With a very good wr in williams to keep teams honest.

Thats just the basics of course there much more.And i know that any team in the Texas Bowl should be worthy of a victory.

One more Mountain Rockets,that Faith has been awsome!Bring home another State title!!!!!!!What a great story this team has this year.Friday night lights has nothing on this story,and this one is the truth!

[ROCKETSRULE]

Now I am getting what I asked for, In part anyway. First I asked what was so special about the e.t. offense, second I asked to what do they REALLY have to compare it to. You gave me exactly what I asked for in part one. I knew nothing about what they had, and now I got a real good feel. Now on to part two of my question. Who have they played that they can give a real assement of what they have? I am impreesed with what I have read so far. But all that sounds real good if you have not had a decent schedule loaded with state ranked teams to put that against. Now substantiate that offense against a week schedule. A great offense can look even better in a week district and can survive a bit in a slightly better playoff run. I can assure that this Judson defense is going to be all that. Big 300 pounders just are not real fast folks. This D is very fast and atheletic, they will be past the biggens before they get off the ball. Just ask w.f., they were dumbfounded.

[da wiz]

all the ingredients for a 3 td win for trinity, the only teams that have given
trinity problems was spread offense teams in weeks 9&10, s.grand prarie
28-35, and irving macauthur 31-24, after that the defense has been
strong, i think they figured it out, now you are telling me that judson
is going to play smashmouth football with the smashmouth kings ?
this could get ugly.. also trinity's weakest offensive game wast last
saturday against a&m conso, and i give them credit for having a real
good defense,, trinity rolled up 366 total yards and 28pts, this
team will be like nothing judson has seen all season, but im sure we can
say the same about judson,, good luck to both, trinity 42-21 imo...

[TrojanWebman]

Big 300 pounders just are not real fast folks. This D is very fast and atheletic, they will be past the biggens before they get off the ball. Just ask w.f., they were dumbfounded.
You're right!! I wonder why our 14 opponents didn't think of that?

It should be easy for you to determine that Trinity hasn't played anybody of caliber this season too.

[implacable44]

i'll excuse you for your ignorance in doubting a 2nd ranked offense.

no. im not making that up.
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and don't make gods of your defense. they're ranked 13th.
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and PLEASE enlighten as to how you guys lost 4 times during the season.

how did Judson lose 4 ?

How come Trinity got rolled up in their loss? at least Judson had injury issues and a new offense to learn - Trinity just got rolled up by an inferior team. Dominated in the air and exposed.

[da wiz]

we wont have to worry about that with judson, does bouldin even have a
1,000 yds passig yet??? and trinity hasnt had injuries all season,
wonder why, maybe strenght and conditioning?? and that inferior team
you stated had 5 D-1 prospects on defense, and trinity still rolled
up 500 yards and 28 pts,

[bullrock]

Bouldin doesn't have the arm to throw for 1,000 yards. He is slow, makes poor decisions when he does throw and has a problem reading defenses when he is supposed to throw. It looks like it's gonna be a long day for our defense this week.;)

[gritty52]

A guy from cosol. said those big ole slow linemen would have their tongues hanging out in the second half. He wrote back how wrong he was and in the 4th qutr. they are still going strong. Keep thinking they are slow they will like that.:D :D

[ROCKETSRULE]

We lost the second game of the season to Cove on the last play of the game (who was state ranked all year). Then we lost 3 district games (two to state ranked teams and one still playing) when we had 12 strarters out due to injuries. We were terrible during that span. But as soon as we started regaining our starters we started returning to Judson form. It is as if we were given a reprive from the Governer. We were reborn during the Regan game. We also have a new entire deffensive staff this year and a new offensive coordnator. So we had some huge obstacles to overcome. We actually did in one season what most teams take several years to do, we rebuilt. It is been an awesome ride to watch, we actually rebuilt during the coarse of a season. And we have new life and are back to full strength playing Rocket Football.

[TrojanWebman]

We lost the second game of the season to Cove on the last play of the game (who was state ranked all year). Then we lost 3 district games (two to state ranked teams and one still playing) when we had 12 strarters out due to injuries. We were terrible during that span. But as soon as we started regaining our starters we started returning to Judson form. It is as if we were given a reprive from the Governer. We were reborn during the Regan game. We also have a new entire deffensive staff this year and a new offensive coordnator. So we had some huge obstacles to overcome. We actually did in one season what most teams take several years to do, we rebuilt. It is been an awesome ride to watch, we actually rebuilt during the coarse of a season. And we have new life and are back to full strength playing Rocket Football.
HIP!! HIP!!
That is quite an accomplishment! And you are playing in the State finals. Good job.

We have a team in our district, called L.D. Bell, that started converting it's offense from smashmouth to spread this season. It is going to take them a little longer than what you guys accomplished. Congrats.

[implacable44]

we wont have to worry about that with judson, does bouldin even have a
1,000 yds passig yet??? and trinity hasnt had injuries all season,
wonder why, maybe strenght and conditioning?? and that inferior team
you stated had 5 D-1 prospects on defense, and trinity still rolled
up 500 yards and 28 pts,

nope Bouldin is similar to your QB in that respect. Trevor is no prototype QB.
Trinity hasn't had injuries all season because those are some big Islanders you have on that line. Same type of line you have had every year - and that is why you have all those state titles to show for that great O-line -

and your W's this year are inflated - you guys would leave your starters in against teams like Bell until well into the 4th quarter. Rest assured that Judson is undersized as far as body mass and physical presence but BELIEVE that the heart is what matters and Judson is second to no one in that category.

You rolled up 28 points and 500 yards and got the big fat L. - EXPOSED ! You better hope Bouldin can't throw otherwise it will be a long day for the Hakka - and stop stealing dances from the All Blacks. You also should realize it is not even a Tongan thing - get the culture right.

[bullrock]

C'mon implaccable, let's not get it started. It doesn't matter where they got the dance or who it belongs to, it's their choice and it works for them. Don't go digging holes somebody else will have to fill. Thanks

[ACM Dad]

A guy from cosol. said those big ole slow linemen would have their tongues hanging out in the second half. He wrote back how wrong he was and in the 4th qutr. they are still going strong. Keep thinking they are slow they will like that.:D :D



It wasn't me that made that tongue comment, but I'd still contend that they are not to be considered quick by any stretch. But, they were in good shape. I will give them that. No matter how quick your D line is, once they get their hands on you, you're in for a battle. We hung with them tough for a half. But, that's not good enough. I'll be very interested to see if Judson can do any better. Good luck to both teams.

[da wiz]

has judson even scored 28 pts this year, not including that laredo team,
our qb has 1800 yds 60% completions and 19 td passes and like 4 ints
in 14 games, as far as passing dont think the stats compare,, as far as
inflated get your facts straight, our running backs would be on the sidelines
for the entire 2nd half for at least 5 of those wins, nance could have
been knocking on 4000 yds door if coach didnt call of the dogs,, and
i dont care how much heart you have , hearts can be broken,

also its a polyneisian thing, tongan, somoan, hawaii thing, all who
have people or ties to new zealand,,

[implacable44]

C'mon implaccable, let's not get it started. It doesn't matter where they got the dance or who it belongs to, it's their choice and it works for them. Don't go digging holes somebody else will have to fill. Thanks


I don't need anyone to fill my holes man. I dig em - I stand in em and I will fill em.

[implacable44]

has judson even scored 28 pts this year, not including that laredo team,
our qb has 1800 yds 60% completions and 19 td passes and like 4 ints
in 14 games, as far as passing dont think the stats compare,, as far as
inflated get your facts straight, our running backs would be on the sidelines
for the entire 2nd half for at least 5 of those wins, nance could have
been knocking on 4000 yds door if coach didnt call of the dogs,, and
i dont care how much heart you have , hearts can be broken,

also its a polyneisian thing, tongan, somoan, hawaii thing, all who
have people or ties to new zealand,,

I was at more than one game - an obvious win and Nance was still in the game - be honest -- follow that yellow brick road down to the Wizard of Oz and get some integrity -

No doubt it is a polynesian thing with deep roots - this has been discussed previously in several threads -it isn't Tongan though nor have the Tongans brought any titles to Trinity and they have always been there and Trinity has always had a massive line - heck you even had the #1 lineman in the country a few years back and what did that get you ?

[bugw09]

nope Bouldin is similar to your QB in that respect. Trevor is no prototype QB.
Trinity hasn't had injuries all season because those are some big Islanders you have on that line. Same type of line you have had every year - and that is why you have all those state titles to show for that great O-line -

and your W's this year are inflated - you guys would leave your starters in against teams like Bell until well into the 4th quarter. Rest assured that Judson is undersized as far as body mass and physical presence but BELIEVE that the heart is what matters and Judson is second to no one in that category.

You rolled up 28 points and 500 yards and got the big fat L. - EXPOSED ! You better hope Bouldin can't throw otherwise it will be a long day for the Hakka - and stop stealing dances from the All Blacks. You also should realize it is not even a Tongan thing - get the culture right.



Haha, you are about to be completely railed. But, I will resist and just correct you. If you knew anything you would know that Dimitri played two 4th quarters throughout the entire regular season. If u knew anything you would know that all the starters came out for the majority of the 4th quarter in most games. If you knew anything you would know that nobody ever claimed the Haka to be a Tongan dance but in fact a New Zealand dance. But you don't know anything about Trinity so let's not throw facts out there that aren't true. I love how every team we've played thus far throws the "we have more heart, and we want it more" card. If you go look at the ACM threads you will see they said the exact same things as yall are saying. Did it work out for them? nope

[implacable44]

Haha, you are about to be completely railed. But, I will resist and just correct you. If you knew anything you would know that Dimitri played two 4th quarters throughout the entire regular season. If u knew anything you would know that all the starters came out for the majority of the 4th quarter in most games. If you knew anything you would know that nobody ever claimed the Haka to be a Tongan dance but in fact a New Zealand dance. But you don't know anything about Trinity so let's not throw facts out there that aren't true. I love how every team we've played thus far throws the "we have more heart, and we want it more" card. If you go look at the ACM threads you will see they said the exact same things as yall are saying. Did it work out for them? nope

railed ? I was at two games where he was into the game well into the second half - and I said starters into the 4th quarter -- and Nance was one of them -- I didnt say every game - just the two I was at I guess.

Severl folks have claimed the dance to be Tongan on this message board - as previously stated -- this has been discussed several times on previous threads...

I know plenty about Trinity -- I know they are big - always have been and yet they have no state championships -- I know that they are good - but so is Judson. I know ACM is no Judson and Trinity is no Westfield - Westfield is probably better than Trinity -- being that everyone and their uncle outside of Euless had them annointed as D1 champions. I know that the ghosts of a certain past Judson state champion will be at that game iin RoundRock --- that same team that played Trinity once before--- those ghosts will be at the game and I know that those kids who have overcome all odds -- even the hate and doubt from within -- will beon that field and I am confident in that!

[JRocketMan]

Haha, you are about to be completely railed. But, I will resist and just correct you. If you knew anything you would know that Dimitri played two 4th quarters throughout the entire regular season. If u knew anything you would know that all the starters came out for the majority of the 4th quarter in most games. If you knew anything you would know that nobody ever claimed the Haka to be a Tongan dance but in fact a New Zealand dance. But you don't know anything about Trinity so let's not throw facts out there that aren't true. I love how every team we've played thus far throws the "we have more heart, and we want it more" card. If you go look at the ACM threads you will see they said the exact same things as yall are saying. Did it work out for them? nope

This will be an excellent game..I hear ya about the ACM threads and its the same thing in the Westfield threads..About how great their offense was and how many points they put up and the yards they gain..And its the same thing you'll are saying..Like I said this will be an excellent game..At least from what Ive seen, at least no one is claiming a blowout..I give credit to BOTH teams, and were both in the State Finals for a reason.

[eastnasty]

Its impossible to stop toss with their massive line. When you try to and crowd the line of scrimmage with 8 then theyll beat you throgh their air. Vittatoe doesnt throw much but when he does ETs recievers always seem to be uncovered.

[TrojanWebman]

railed ? I was at two games where he was into the game well into the second half - and I said starters into the 4th quarter -- and Nance was one of them -- I didnt say every game - just the two I was at I guess.

Severl folks have claimed the dance to be Tongan on this message board - as previously stated -- this has been discussed several times on previous threads...

I know plenty about Trinity -- I know they are big - always have been and yet they have no state championships -- I know that they are good - but so is Judson. I know ACM is no Judson and Trinity is no Westfield - Westfield is probably better than Trinity -- being that everyone and their uncle outside of Euless had them annointed as D1 champions. I know that the ghosts of a certain past Judson state champion will be at that game iin RoundRock --- that same team that played Trinity once before--- those ghosts will be at the game and I know that those kids who have overcome all odds -- even the hate and doubt from within -- will beon that field and I am confident in that!
For a kid that throws a lot of smack around, he sure does explain himself real good!

Great, now we have ghosts to deal with too! I would have thought their awesome 'D' would have been enough. Somebody call the GhostBusters!!

[bugw09]

This will be an excellent game..I hear ya about the ACM threads and its the same thing in the Westfield threads..About how great their offense was and how many points they put up and the yards they gain..And its the same thing you'll are saying..Like I said this will be an excellent game..At least from what Ive seen, at least no one is claiming a blowout..I give credit to BOTH teams, and were both in the State Finals for a reason.

Please keep being the one poster thus far that is reasonable. I'm not going to comment anymore until the game is over. It is hard to talk to people who obviously are just trying to get people mad. After the game, if Trinity wins, half of the JUDSON fans will nowhere to be found. ON the other hand, if we lose, then we will be there to accept the **** you give us, because we didn't make any ridiculous claims of total domination of your team! We are confident in a win, but in no way do we think it is a lock. Some of you people need to get off cloud 9. BTW, Westfield is no Trinity. They're turning in pads right now and were practicing, so you're wrong.

[implacable44]

For a kid that throws a lot of smack around, he sure does explain himself real good!

Great, now we have ghosts to deal with too! I would have thought their awesome 'D' would have been enough. Somebody call the GhostBusters!!

We will find out Saturday. Trinity is a good team and so is Judson. I think it is good you have confidence that the Trojans will get their first ever state championship this year and if they do then I will be one of the first people on this board to congratulate them and then I will have to hear it from my father-in-law for the next 20 years. Judson is good too though and it doesn't matter how big Trinity is - it never has before and if Judson wins then I will be on the board looking for you to be here and giving respect instead of excuses and I will be talking smack to my father-in-law for the next twenty years.

I remember when the hot topic on this board was SLC v Trinity - right up to the point the Trojans got beat and then all that talk went away.

[BigFoot]

how did Judson lose 4 ?

How come Trinity got rolled up in their loss? at least Judson had injury issues and a new offense to learn - Trinity just got rolled up by an inferior team. Dominated in the air and exposed.
ONE more time this comes up...You acknowledge the injuries to Judson. The week if the SGP game we had 15 players with a stomach flu. Six starters did not practice and they played like they were weak. That said ...don't sell SGP short they have a good team.

[implacable44]

ONE more time this comes up...You acknowledge the injuries to Judson. The week if the SGP game we had 15 players with a stomach flu. Six starters did not practice and they played like they were weak. That said ...don't sell SGP short they have a good team.

which 15 players?

[Slim-Rob]

I just don't see how a defense can stop Dimitri if they don't load the box. All that does is give our OL more time to get speed to block.

The same way we stopped Terrence Sweeney of Westfield.:)

[TrojanWebman]

We will find out Saturday. Trinity is a good team and so is Judson. I think it is good you have confidence that the Trojans will get their first ever state championship this year and if they do then I will be one of the first people on this board to congratulate them and then I will have to hear it from my father-in-law for the next 20 years. Judson is good too though and it doesn't matter how big Trinity is - it never has before and if Judson wins then I will be on the board looking for you to be here and giving respect instead of excuses and I will be talking smack to my father-in-law for the next twenty years.

I remember when the hot topic on this board was SLC v Trinity - right up to the point the Trojans got beat and then all that talk went away.
Yea, I'm glad we did not have to prove ourselves against SLC. I still 'believe' though.

[implacable44]

Yea, I'm glad we did not have to prove ourselves against SLC. I still 'believe' though.

you might be alone in that belief. Thier strength is your main weakness on defense. Who cares though - now you have Judson. At least you won;t hear us whining about the stadium or the facility or the band playing a song we think to be na na na na goodbye when it is really -- we ready for y'all.

There will be no whining and no excuses from the Judson faithful. WIn or lose.

[gritty52]

The players that were sick during the SGP game were 7 defensive starters and 6 or 7 on offense. We never made that as an:eek: :eek: excuse and never will. Just a little slower than them that night.

[TrojanWebman]

At least you won;t hear us whining about the stadium or the facility or the band playing a song we think to be na na na na goodbye when it is really -- we ready for y'all.

There will be no whining and no excuses from the Judson faithful. WIn or lose.
I am biting my tongue....(i have nothing to say about slc).......(i have nothng to say about slc).....Thank you! :rolleyes:

Me too! Win or Lose.

[implacable44]

The players that were sick during the SGP game were 7 defensive starters and 6 or 7 on offense. We never made that as an:eek: :eek: excuse and never will. Just a little slower than them that night.

you just did bring it up - nance wasnt sick - so who was it ? and I know the DB's were sick from getting burned all night in the passing game.

I am not knocking SGP but where are they now ?

I am also tired of hearing about the sizeof your line - as I stated that size has never helped you before.

[Bucky]

I have read a lot of these posts and I will say this: Judson built its tradition and reputation beating teams that they shouldnt beat. Especially in the Semi-Finals and Finals. Im sure it will be a good game but Im not sure the best team will win. As for the 2nd best offense in the state...Judson just beat the 2nd best TEAM in the state. Judson has gotten better every week for since week 10 of the season. Trinity has the HAKA and Judson has Quick Cal and 6 State Championship trophies. I would take a good defense over a good offense anyday of the week. If you think that your offensive line will push their defensive line around..it might happen but I doubt that it will. No offense but just about every offensive line that Judson plays is bigger and stronger than their defensive line. Anyway..Good Luck to both teams...This is the 5A DIVISION 1 STATE FINALS and it should be a great game..GO ROCKETS!!!!!!

[hollywood]

For a kid that throws a lot of smack around, he sure does explain himself real good!

Great, now we have ghosts to deal with too! I would have thought their awesome 'D' would have been enough. Somebody call the GhostBusters!!

The HAKA scares the ghosts away

[bullrock]

Most of us will keep our word and not start the "your team sucks" and "your line isn't good enough", etc., etc., but we can't control all who post on this board. This week should be just as fun for the posters as it is for the kids practicing to win. The outcome will decide who is better next Saturday. As we stated right after the SW game on this board, we'd like to keep it civil and I think for the most part that is happenimg. I appreciate your show of patience. I don't feel like the Trojan posters have provoked any of us.

[BigFoot]

which 15 players?
Don't you know you cannot call players names for that kind of thing on a board like this. 6 defensive starters for sure will that do?

[implacable44]

actually that would be for current injuries but since being sick i.e. stomach flu is not really an injury well - who cares. y'all lost and there are no excuses right. still had that massive o-line -- still had nance and still lost.

[hollywood]

I remember when the hot topic on this board was SLC v Trinity - right up to the point the Trojans got beat and then all that talk went away.

There are no unbeatable teams out there ...
Board dissussion is not related to a teams ability to win or lose. It is played on the field. I see your point though. If Trinity and SLC end up winning state, which is very possible if not likely, the discussions will go to what a pity they will not play each other ...

[gritty52]

Nance had 230 on SGP that night, and I'm just so sorry we are not in your league of greatness!! aLL I am saying is your Dline better get plenty of sleep Fridat night. If you come to the game you'll see that slow, out of shape offense. 6 Trophies OKOKOK we believe yaw! What good will that do you Saturday?? Maybe you ought to have one of those trophies play D LINE for yaw!!! We will show up Saturday just for grins.:D :D :D

[hollywood]

after playing euless trinity on saturday i could their whole team was basically dimitri nance, if he is stopped then you got them beat, their quarterback threw like 2 passes against us and 1 of them was a interception,so advice to whoever plays them next is to stop nance and you'll force them to throw which is one of their weaknesses

If he threw like two passes then it was because they did not feel the need to pass. The Trinity QB is very good. A one game sample is not a good view into this team. Probably not any team. Was this a tight game?

[implacable44]

Nance had 230 on SGP that night, and I'm just so sorry we are not in your league of greatness!! aLL I am saying is your Dline better get plenty of sleep Fridat night. If you come to the game you'll see that slow, out of shape offense. 6 Trophies OKOKOK we believe yaw! What good will that do you Saturday?? Maybe you ought to have one of those trophies play D LINE for yaw!!! We will show up Saturday just for grins.:D :D :D

exactly -- he had 230 and you lost. Our D-line better get plenty of sleep and the O-line of Trinity better step away from the kava and get plenty of sleep too. your DB's better get plenty of sleep and our should and so should you and I.

[implacable44]

There are no unbeatable teams out there ...
Board dissussion is not related to a teams ability to win or lose. It is played on the field. I see your point though. If Trinity and SLC end up winning state, which is very possible if not likely, the discussions will go to what a pity they will not play each other ...

the only people that will debate that will be you and the Trojan faithful. I don;t think too many folks think Trinity can hang with SLC

[lonny23]

Please keep being the one poster thus far that is reasonable. I'm not going to comment anymore until the game is over. It is hard to talk to people who obviously are just trying to get people mad. After the game, if Trinity wins, half of the JUDSON fans will nowhere to be found. ON the other hand, if we lose, then we will be there to accept the **** you give us, because we didn't make any ridiculous claims of total domination of your team! We are confident in a win, but in no way do we think it is a lock. Some of you people need to get off cloud 9. BTW, Westfield is no Trinity. They're turning in pads right now and were practicing, so you're wrong.
I would be here, except my bet says I won't be here for 7 days.

Cloud 9 is overrated. That's why I moved to Cloud 23!:p I wanted my own cloud.:D

[LoneRocket]

The HAKA scares the ghosts away
But Rocket Pride brings out the best of our players.

[hollywood]

how did Judson lose 4 ?

How come Trinity got rolled up in their loss? at least Judson had injury issues and a new offense to learn - Trinity just got rolled up by an inferior team. Dominated in the air and exposed.

Now just hold on a second here. SGP did not lose four games this year. They lost in the playoffs to Plano who almost beat SLC. Easy to dismiss them when you don't have to play them.

[hollywood]

A guy from cosol. said those big ole slow linemen would have their tongues hanging out in the second half. He wrote back how wrong he was and in the 4th qutr. they are still going strong. Keep thinking they are slow they will like that.:D :D

Well the other part of that is that the second string can roll over you if the first string wears you out enough ...

[hollywood]

We lost the second game of the season to Cove on the last play of the game (who was state ranked all year). Then we lost 3 district games (two to state ranked teams and one still playing) when we had 12 strarters out due to injuries. We were terrible during that span. But as soon as we started regaining our starters we started returning to Judson form. It is as if we were given a reprive from the Governer. We were reborn during the Regan game. We also have a new entire deffensive staff this year and a new offensive coordnator. So we had some huge obstacles to overcome. We actually did in one season what most teams take several years to do, we rebuilt. It is been an awesome ride to watch, we actually rebuilt during the coarse of a season. And we have new life and are back to full strength playing Rocket Football.

I think this will be a tough game. But remember, all teams have injuries. Maybe you had more than your share. But I am hearing excuse city already. If you win with your second string quarterback I think you will have a lot to shout about. It is unfortunate about your starter. Perhaps it will lift the rest of the team up.

[hollywood]

nope Bouldin is similar to your QB in that respect. Trevor is no prototype QB.
Trinity hasn't had injuries all season because those are some big Islanders you have on that line. Same type of line you have had every year - and that is why you have all those state titles to show for that great O-line -

and your W's this year are inflated - you guys would leave your starters in against teams like Bell until well into the 4th quarter. Rest assured that Judson is undersized as far as body mass and physical presence but BELIEVE that the heart is what matters and Judson is second to no one in that category.

You rolled up 28 points and 500 yards and got the big fat L. - EXPOSED ! You better hope Bouldin can't throw otherwise it will be a long day for the Hakka - and stop stealing dances from the All Blacks. You also should realize it is not even a Tongan thing - get the culture right.

I did not see the Bell game. I have seen several other Trinity games. They usually bring in their second string. They tend to roll as well.

[nathan00427]

nope Bouldin is similar to your QB in that respect. Trevor is no prototype QB.
Trinity hasn't had injuries all season because those are some big Islanders you have on that line. Same type of line you have had every year - and that is why you have all those state titles to show for that great O-line -

and your W's this year are inflated - you guys would leave your starters in against teams like Bell until well into the 4th quarter. Rest assured that Judson is undersized as far as body mass and physical presence but BELIEVE that the heart is what matters and Judson is second to no one in that category.

You rolled up 28 points and 500 yards and got the big fat L. - EXPOSED ! You better hope Bouldin can't throw otherwise it will be a long day for the Hakka - and stop stealing dances from the All Blacks. You also should realize it is not even a Tongan thing - get the culture right.

they know its from the all blacks, they just liked it and it gave the team a way to be more together.

trinity very rarely had any starters left in during the 4th quarter of any games. i saw them out after 1 possesion in the third at LEAST 4 times, including not even starting the second half of a PLAYOFF GAME because the game was so out of hand by halftime (plano east).

dimitri has over 3000 rushing yards and will get his 40th td in the championship. his backup, laderrick has almost 1200 yards and may get to 20 touchdowns. we have 2 running backs that are better than anyone on your team offensively.

judson did shut down westfield -- without their best player. we will have our best player, and even if we didn't, we have backups capable of filling in and producing the same numbers (handy has over 10 yards per carry this season). judson's offense might get some points too, but there is no chance it holds trinity under 30.

trinity's offensive starters score TDs on more than 80% of their possesions. looking at the consolidated game, which most would agree was trinity's offenses worst game of the year, they scored 4 tds, threw 1 int and fumbled a punt. if you dont count the special teams turnover, the offense scored TOUCHDOWNS on 4/5 possesions....in a BAD GAME for them.

look for trinity to have in the low 40s. my pick ET 42 - CJ 28.

[hollywood]

I don't need anyone to fill my holes man. I dig em - I stand in em and I will fill em.

Just don't get buried in em

[implacable44]

they know its from the all blacks, they just liked it and it gave the team a way to be more together.

trinity very rarely had any starters left in during the 4th quarter of any games. i saw them out after 1 possesion in the third at LEAST 4 times, including not even starting the second half of a PLAYOFF GAME because the game was so out of hand by halftime (plano east).

dimitri has over 3000 rushing yards and will get his 40th td in the championship. his backup, laderrick has almost 1200 yards and may get to 20 touchdowns. we have 2 running backs that are better than anyone on your team offensively.

judson did shut down westfield -- without their best player. we will have our best player, and even if we didn't, we have backups capable of filling in and producing the same numbers (handy has over 10 yards per carry this season). judson's offense might get some points too, but there is no chance it holds trinity under 30.

trinity's offensive starters score TDs on more than 80% of their possesions. looking at the consolidated game, which most would agree was trinity's offenses worst game of the year, they scored 4 tds, threw 1 int and fumbled a punt. if you dont count the special teams turnover, the offense scored TOUCHDOWNS on 4/5 possesions....in a BAD GAME for them.

look for trinity to have in the low 40s. my pick ET 42 - CJ 28.

bold predictions - You think Trinity is going to drop 42 on the Rockets - why not just make it 52 like the rockets dropped on Trinity the last time they played? - no way does Trinity hit 42 and Judson's D is good for at least one TD.

Where is Nance going to College again ? and Trevor ?

Judson had Westfield locked up when the starting QB was in the game. Individuals does not equal championships.

[nathan00427]

you just did bring it up - nance wasnt sick - so who was it ? and I know the DB's were sick from getting burned all night in the passing game.

I am not knocking SGP but where are they now ?

I am also tired of hearing about the sizeof your line - as I stated that size has never helped you before.

we've been to the semi's in 3 of the last 5 years, but that never helped us before? just cuz we didn't have a good enough overall team to win state over those last 5 years doesnt mean we haven't had very good teams. so yes, having the dominant o line HAS helped us before, and this time it will win us a title.

[implacable44]

we've been to the semi's in 3 of the last 5 years, but that never helped us before? just cuz we didn't have a good enough overall team to win state over those last 5 years doesnt mean we haven't had very good teams. so yes, having the dominant o line HAS helped us before, and this time it will win us a title.


you hope !

[implacable44]

Just don't get buried in em

by who ? Hollywood? come on now. Do you even have a team or are you just jumping on that bandwagon. Let me go look at some SLC threads and see if you are on that train too -

[hollywood]

I have read a lot of these posts and I will say this: Judson built its tradition and reputation beating teams that they shouldnt beat. Especially in the Semi-Finals and Finals. Im sure it will be a good game but Im not sure the best team will win. As for the 2nd best offense in the state...Judson just beat the 2nd best TEAM in the state. Judson has gotten better every week for since week 10 of the season. Trinity has the HAKA and Judson has Quick Cal and 6 State Championship trophies. I would take a good defense over a good offense anyday of the week. If you think that your offensive line will push their defensive line around..it might happen but I doubt that it will. No offense but just about every offensive line that Judson plays is bigger and stronger than their defensive line. Anyway..Good Luck to both teams...This is the 5A DIVISION 1 STATE FINALS and it should be a great game..GO ROCKETS!!!!!!

Take the six state trophies and strap them to your forearms and see if that helps. Do they give points for the trophies? Do you get ten yards per trophy at the beginning of the game? Does anyone have six years in high school?

[bugw09]

bold predictions - You think Trinity is going to drop 42 on the Rockets - why not just make it 52 like the rockets dropped on Trinity the last time they played? - no way does Trinity hit 42 and Judson's D is good for at least one TD.

Where is Nance going to College again ? and Trevor ?

Judson had Westfield locked up when the starting QB was in the game. Individuals does not equal championships.


I'm not supposed to be posting but..... Dimitri Nance has signed with Arizona State and Trevor is being looked at by Texas State, UTEP and a couple other smaller schools.

[hollywood]

the only people that will debate that will be you and the Trojan faithful. I don;t think too many folks think Trinity can hang with SLC

It would take someone who actually watched the games to make that leap I agree. SLC is awesome. BUT they are beatable. I was on the SLC side this past weekend. They got behind 27 to 16 in the 3rd quarter. They are beatable. I am not saying that if they faced each other that Trinity would win. But I would love to see that matchup. I am following Trinity and SLC as my team SGP as was pointed out is no longer playing. I like good football.

[TrojanWebman]

Judson had Westfield locked up when the starting QB was in the game. Individuals does not equal championships.]
Strong defensive play by Judson in the first half. W.F. made adjustments and started to come back in the second half. (Hmmm, sounds like the Converse game for Trinity). I wonder if W.F. could have come back just a little better if they had their star QB. (You intercepted the backup QB's first pass) Maybe 7 points better........

Actually, a single player can make a big difference in a game. Just ask the SGP coach.......

From the Dallas Morning News.
Big plays help S. Grand Prairie upset Trinity

01:19 AM CDT on Saturday, October 29, 2005

By TIM MacMAHON / The Dallas Morning News

BEDFORD – Malcolm Williams made three momentum-changing plays in the second half as South Grand Prairie upset Euless Trinity, 35-28.

The three big plays were a kickoff return, an interception and a spectacular 84-yard touchdown run midway through the fourth quarter by Williams on third-and-6.

"We're going to see if he can get his bus-driving license," South Grand Prairie coach David Fisher said. "Outside of that, I don't know what else he could do for us."

South Grand Prairie (8-1, 5-1), No. 7 in SportsDay's Class 5A area rankings, kept its District 6-5A title hopes alive with the victory against No. 2 Trinity in front of a crowd of about 11,500 Friday night at Pennington Field. Trinity, South Grand Prairie and Irving MacArthur will share the title if MacArthur beats Trinity and South Grand Prairie beats Coppell next week.

Trinity (8-1, 5-1), No. 5 in the state, had won every game by at least 27 points entering the game. It hadn't trailed at halftime until Denzel Dewberry threw for two touchdowns to Bobby Duncan and ran for another score to give South Grand Prairie a 21-14 lead.

Trinity tied the game on its first offensive play of the second half, a 29-yard touchdown by Dimitri Nance (28 carries, 228 yards, two touchdowns).

Williams, a Texas A&M recruit, returned the kickoff 55 yards to set up a touchdown by Darius Roland.

Trinity quickly moved deep into South Grand Prairie territory, but Williams halted the drive by intercepting a pass at the 5-yard-line.

[nathan00427]

bold predictions - You think Trinity is going to drop 42 on the Rockets - why not just make it 52 like the rockets dropped on Trinity the last time they played? - no way does Trinity hit 42 and Judson's D is good for at least one TD.

Where is Nance going to College again ? and Trevor ?

Judson had Westfield locked up when the starting QB was in the game. Individuals does not equal championships.

nance is going to arizona state. trevor is undecided but has talked to texas a&m and utep. as long as this game isn't as slowed down as the a&m consolidated game, i really can't see trinity being 'stopped'.

for evidence of this-
trinity has punted the ball 19 times this year. other than the 3 against SGP and 3 against irving mac, i believe the starting offense only got forced to punt 3 or 4 times the entire season. for comparison, trinity has scored 90 offensive touchdowns this season, 6 by backup running backs.

so the starting offense has around (give or take a couple each way)
84 touchdowns
4-6 punts

the few games trinity didn't score over 40 in, were games that were very slowed down.

games under 30 - 2
games 30-39 3
games 40-49 4
games 50-59 2
games 60-69 2
games 70+ 1

the 5 games under 40 =
coppell - 34
i went to this one. coppell ran the play clock under 5 seconds on every one of their plays. it seemed like they were almost scared of trinity, trying to get the game over as quickly as possible. it was done in no longer than 2 hours.

SGP - 28
went to it, and sgp had a very good defense. that said, they still gave up a LOT of yardage, and probably would have had a lot more if lineweaver did not decide to get cute. the running game was very effective and he still tried to throw it.

irv. mac - 31
didn't get to see it, but from the stats trinity ran the ball 66 times between laderrick and dimitri. running the ball 66 times in a game says you want to control the clock and the ball. 31 points in a game like that isn't bad.

fossil ridge - 35
not a great performance from trinity but still easily dominated in their first playoff game.

a&m consolidated - 28
didn't get to see this one either, but scoring tds on 4/5 offensive possesions isn't bad, just not as effective as usual.

the offense is good when you have to explain why they didn't hit 40 every night.

[implacable44]

I'm not supposed to be posting but..... Dimitri Nance has signed with Arizona State and Trevor is being looked at by Texas State, UTEP and a couple other smaller schools.


really -- he already signed a scholarship - that is amazing

[nathan00427]

really -- he already signed a scholarship - that is amazing

and no he didn't sign with az state, he has an oral commitment. signing day hasn't come yet.

[implacable44]

nance is going to arizona state. trevor is undecided but has talked to texas a&m and utep. as long as this game isn't as slowed down as the a&m consolidated game, i really can't see trinity being 'stopped'.

for evidence of this-
trinity has punted the ball 19 times this year. other than the 3 against SGP and 3 against irving mac, i believe the starting offense only got forced to punt 3 or 4 times the entire season. for comparison, trinity has scored 90 offensive touchdowns this season, 6 by backup running backs.

so the starting offense has around (give or take a couple each way)
84 touchdowns
4-6 punts

the few games trinity didn't score over 40 in, were games that were very slowed down.

games under 30 - 2
games 30-39 3
games 40-49 4
games 50-59 2
games 60-69 2
games 70+ 1

the 5 games under 40 =
coppell - 34
i went to this one. coppell ran the play clock under 5 seconds on every one of their plays. it seemed like they were almost scared of trinity, trying to get the game over as quickly as possible. it was done in no longer than 2 hours.

SGP - 28
went to it, and sgp had a very good defense. that said, they still gave up a LOT of yardage, and probably would have had a lot more if lineweaver did not decide to get cute. the running game was very effective and he still tried to throw it.

irv. mac - 31
didn't get to see it, but from the stats trinity ran the ball 66 times between laderrick and dimitri. running the ball 66 times in a game says you want to control the clock and the ball. 31 points in a game like that isn't bad.

fossil ridge - 35
not a great performance from trinity but still easily dominated in their first playoff game.

a&m consolidated - 28
didn't get to see this one either, but scoring tds on 4/5 offensive possesions isn't bad, just not as effective as usual.

the offense is good when you have to explain why they didn't hit 40 every night.


a better stat or indicator of your games over 40 - would be thier records.

[hollywood]

by who ? Hollywood? come on now. Do you even have a team or are you just jumping on that bandwagon. Let me go look at some SLC threads and see if you are on that train too -

My team is SGP. Having said that I love good football. SLC and Trinity are local teams for me. Trinity is in the same district as SGP. My daughter taught at Trinity and now teaches at SGP. So I have season tickets. Texas Stadium is on my way to work so it is great for me that so many games have been played there. Texas High School football is like no other states. If Plano had beaten SLC, I would be supporting them. So band wagon or not I can look at teams with a little more criticallity than if I was a sophmore attending YaddaYadda Haka High School.

You got a problem with this?

Oh one more thing. If they had a playoff beyond Texas D1 and Judson beat Trinity. I would be supporting Judson as the Texas team because they would have proven themselves. I don't see a problem with that.

[stinger]

IMPLACABL44...Where are the ones you guys lost to> All you wanna do is argue each and every point. I think I hear you mother calling cuz your bottle is ready. As always. you don't wanna wait and see the boys play, but instead argue. What was the excuses when you guys lost? (Names, Reasons) Excuses don't mean JACK at this point. I hope you are still posting after the game...or will you go hibernate like so many others have done!!!

[JRocketMan]

Listen You can score 60 points, I really dont care becuase as long as we score 61..It will be all good..This will be an excellent game..

[implacable44]

IMPLACABL44...Where are the ones you guys lost to> All you wanna do is argue each and every point. I think I hear you mother calling cuz your bottle is ready. As always. you don't wanna wait and see the boys play, but instead argue. What was the excuses when you guys lost? (Names, Reasons) Excuses don't mean JACK at this point. I hope you are still posting after the game...or will you go hibernate like so many others have done!!!


I don't hibernate (sc) -- I will be here recognizing the greatness of Trinity and the error of my ways should the Trojans win. I expect you to be here proclaiming the Greatness of the Rockets should they win.

the teams we lost to -- well lets see - Smithson Valley is in the playoffs - Copperas Cove just got eliminated by Lufkin last week and Madison just got beat by Smithson Valley - then there was that other squad of rich boys but I don't want to remember that one --

I do want to wait and see the boys play but I am not going to sit here and listen to folks proclaim the greatness of the Trojans and their massive line blah blah blah blah - - The game is Saturday and win or lose I will be proud of Judson. It will be a good game.

[implacable44]

My team is SGP. Having said that I love good football. SLC and Trinity are local teams for me. Trinity is in the same district as SGP. My daughter taught at Trinity and now teaches at SGP. So I have season tickets. Texas Stadium is on my way to work so it is great for me that so many games have been played there. Texas High School football is like no other states. If Plano had beaten SLC, I would be supporting them. So band wagon or not I can look at teams with a little more criticallity than if I was a sophmore attending YaddaYadda Haka High School.

You got a problem with this?

Oh one more thing. If they had a playoff beyond Texas D1 and Judson beat Trinity. I would be supporting Judson as the Texas team because they would have proven themselves. I don't see a problem with that.


where is yadda yadda haka high ?

Hey support who you want -- how you want and when you want - it doesn't matter to me - as for me -- J J J U D S S S O N R O C K E T S

[nathan00427]

a better stat or indicator of your games over 40 - would be thier records.

we'll just talk about the playoff games then (since i dont feel like looking up every single stat for every single team, and this is the playoffs now)

fossil ridge (finished 6-5) - 35
plano east (finished 6-6) - 56
ep franklin (finished 11-2) - 63
a&m consolidated (finished 11-3) - 28

in the playoffs trinity has
25 offensive touchdowns
3 punts
3 turnovers (1 of the to's on special teams).

how can you argue with a ratio like that?

[bullrock]

Stinger, I think you'll find plenty of Judson posters on this board year round. They don't go away after the season is over like a lot of posters do. CJ posters are some of the ones that keep this thing going all year along with KT, Lufkin, and SLC.

[hollywood]

a better stat or indicator of your games over 40 - would be thier records.

At the end of the season:

SGP 9-1 lost to IMac
IMac 9-1 lost to Trinity
Trinity 9-1 lost to SGP

SGP played Coppell the last game of the season. The winner went to the playoffs, the loser stayed home.
SGP won. Coppell had lost their early games but had been coming on during the season. Coppell almost a playoff team.

IMac lost to SLC in the first playoff game. Tough draw.

Fossil Ridge beat Denton Ryan which forced SLC into D2.
I don't know their records off hand. Agreed the records of who you beat are important.

[stinger]

Your statement about "those rich boys" says the whole thing about you. Be careful what you say. I hear a prejudiced and jealous heart that cannot respect that these two teams are going to play and there will be only one winner. What makes you so mean spirited and argumentative with each and every point? Have I seen you on others threads doing the same thing? Do you even have a home to cheer for? You cover your home with Texas as your address....
How many games did your team score over 40...what was the point spreads....what was the defense and offense stats? You wanna liove by the numbers? Bring them out!!!

[implacable44]

we'll just talk about the playoff games then (since i dont feel like looking up every single stat for every single team, and this is the playoffs now)

fossil ridge (finished 6-5) - 35
plano east (finished 6-6) - 56
ep franklin (finished 11-2) - 63
a&m consolidated (finished 11-3) - 28

in the playoffs trinity has
25 offensive touchdowns
3 punts
3 turnovers (1 of the to's on special teams).

how can you argue with a ratio like that?

Fossil Ridge finished 6 and 5 in a weak district -
Plano East is a terrible team - they had a solid defense but their offense was a joke. The Dartmouth school of the blind would put more points on the board than Plano East could.
EP Franklin - Weak region
A&M Consolidated - scrappy team with a lot of heart.

like everyone has said - the game will be decided on the field not here - None of those teams can claim to be Judson.

This will be a good game and for all I care you can score 100 -as long as Judson has 101. Personally I smell an SLC and Judson state championship a la 2002.

[JRocketMan]

we'll just talk about the playoff games then (since i dont feel like looking up every single stat for every single team, and this is the playoffs now)

fossil ridge (finished 6-5) - 35
plano east (finished 6-6) - 56
ep franklin (finished 11-2) - 63
a&m consolidated (finished 11-3) - 28

in the playoffs trinity has
25 offensive touchdowns
3 punts
3 turnovers (1 of the to's on special teams).

how can you argue with a ratio like that?

Nathan, for real stats are exactly that, stats..Weve heard enough of that from SW..Stats are in the past, but you cant use that on a team that you havent seen play..Like I said..This will be an excellent game and leave the stats at home..Stats dont win or lose games...Ive heard u have an excellent offense, youve heard we have an excellent defense..So what else can be asked for in a State Final Game...The reason why this will be a great game is not because of stats, but becuase of the strength of schedule..26-5A is ranked as the hardest district and you guys were number two..Like I said, This will be an excellent game..

[implacable44]

Your statement about "those rich boys" says the whole thing about you. Be careful what you say. I hear a prejudiced and jealous heart that cannot respect that these two teams are going to play and there will be only one winner. What makes you so mean spirited and argumentative with each and every point? Have I seen you on others threads doing the same thing? Do you even have a home to cheer for? You cover your home with Texas as your address....
How many games did your team score over 40...what was the point spreads....what was the defense and offense stats? You wanna liove by the numbers? Bring them out!!!

You brought numbers and statistics out sully not me - I am not a big believer in statistics or numbers because they dont tell the whole story of the game.

my comment about those rich boys means what ?I live in Keller right on the border with SLC - those rich boys refers to the Gucci bowl down in San Antonio -- something you know nothing about - I went to CJ - graduated as did all 3 of my brothers and both of my sisters so slow your roll. What do I have to be jealous of ?? Judson already has state championships - Trinity has none so right now the only folks with jealousy issues are Trojans

[TrojanWebman]

Fossil Ridge finished 6 and 5 in a weak district -
Plano East is a terrible team - they had a solid defense but their offense was a joke. The Dartmouth school of the blind would put more points on the board than Plano East could.
EP Franklin - Weak region
A&M Consolidated - scrappy team with a lot of heart.

like everyone has said - the game will be decided on the field not here - None of those teams can claim to be Judson.

This will be a good game and for all I care you can score 100 -as long as Judson has 101. Personally I smell an SLC and Judson state championship a la 2002.
Hey, we didn't pick em. We just played em. And like SLC, if you play an unranked team, you show it in the scoreboard.
How did we do for the season?

[hollywood]

where is yadda yadda haka high ?

Hey support who you want -- how you want and when you want - it doesn't matter to me - as for me -- J J J U D S S S O N R O C K E T S

Well there you have it. For programs that go deep into the playoffs every year it must be really great. I can really appreciate what goes into those programs. The rest of us can either go home or jump on someone elses wagon!
Trinity's is pulled by a bunch of tough Tongan guys and SLCs has a about six jet engines and all the bling.

BTW, I think YaddaYadda Haka High is in OHIO.

[implacable44]

Hey, we didn't pick em. We just played em. And like SLC, if you play an unranked team, you show it in the scoreboard.
How did we do for the season?


you guys had a great season no doubt -- and we will see if it results in a state title or disappointment.

[theloneranger]

1). There line is massive
2.) They have 2 very talented and quick RB
3.) They have a QB that is accurate and smart


That is all you need. This is a very good dangerous offense.
I dont think having a massive line in high school football really matters.............a small and quick d- line that are great tacklers can off-set that....just my opinion:)

[bullrock]

Looks like you did just fine. There was a time in our season that I would have given ET 40 points against the Rockets. I don't even think is terms of 21 now. It will be a challenge to stand up to the big OL, but I bet our coaching staff will find a way to neutralize them at least long enough to get a drive or two stopped. Did I read right? ET only had 5 offensive possesions in the semi's? That is what I call ball control for both teams. Tells me we better score every chance we get because it doesn't appear there are going to be many.

[implacable44]

Well there you have it. For programs that go deep into the playoffs every year it must be really great. I can really appreciate what goes into those programs. The rest of us can either go home or jump on someone elses wagon!
Trinity's is pulled by a bunch of tough Tongan guys and SLCs has a about six jet engines and all the bling.

BTW, I think YaddaYadda Haka High is in OHIO.


Keep them in Ohio -

There are nothing but quality programs left in the playoffs -- and most of the state is full of quality programs.

[JRocketMan]

I dont think having a massive line in high school football really matters.............a small and quick d- line that are great tacklers can off-set that....just my opinion:)

This statement is exactly why this will be an excellent game..What was just said represents both team..Except The Rockets DLine is not small, but smaller than what Im hearing about the Trojans OLine.

[nathan00427]

Nathan, for real stats are exactly that, stats..Weve heard enough of that from SW..Stats are in the past, but you cant use that on a team that you havent seen play..Like I said..This will be an excellent game and leave the stats at home..Stats dont win or lose games...Ive heard u have an excellent offense, youve heard we have an excellent defense..So what else can be asked for in a State Final Game...The reason why this will be a great game is not because of stats, but becuase of the strength of schedule..26-5A is ranked as the hardest district and you guys were number two..Like I said, This will be an excellent game..

only teams without the stats disregard them.

i didn't say we'd score a td on every possesion against YA'LL like we had against them, but...

those stats DO indicate that we DID DOMINATE every other team in the playoffs we've played. when you're scoring touchdowns at that rate, its difficult to lose.

and to implacable44 "plano east had a good D but bad O..."
which would explain why the score was 42-0 at halftime. trinity put the backups in for the FIRST POSSESIONS of the second half. PE scored the next 2 tds, so ET put the starters back in for a little while longer after that just to ensure a comeback wouldn't happen.

im not here to say judson is bad, you guys may be getting me wrong. to hold westfield to 14 points is a very nice accomplishment, even with their qb being out. but, dont be surprised (and if you still are, don't say i didn't warn ya), when trinity drops 40 in the point column.

[implacable44]

only teams without the stats disregard them.

i didn't say we'd score a td on every possesion against YA'LL like we had against them, but...

those stats DO indicate that we DID DOMINATE every other team in the playoffs we've played. when you're scoring touchdowns at that rate, its difficult to lose.

and to implacable44 "plano east had a good D but bad O..."
which would explain why the score was 42-0 at halftime. trinity put the backups in for the FIRST POSSESIONS of the second half. PE scored the next 2 tds, so ET put the starters back in for a little while longer after that just to ensure a comeback wouldn't happen.

im not here to say judson is bad, you guys may be getting me wrong. to hold westfield to 14 points is a very nice accomplishment, even with their qb being out. but, dont be surprised (and if you still are, don't say i didn't warn ya), when trinity drops 40 in the point column.

stats are used to quantify and measure production. stats are easy to manipulate and distort. -- I have a stat for you undefeated in the playoffs. how about that stat? Trinity and Judson have the same record in the playoffs.

like I said - go ahead and drop 40 - dont be suprised if Judson drops 41 -- and don't be suprised if Judson holds you to 20.

[da wiz]

stats are used to quantify and measure production. stats are easy to manipulate and distort. -- I have a stat for you undefeated in the playoffs. how about that stat? Trinity and Judson have the same record in the playoffs.

like I said - go ahead and drop 40 - dont be suprised if Judson drops 41 -- and don't be suprised if Judson holds you to 20.

20 by the midway point of the 2nd quarter maybe..

[hollywood]

Actually, a single player can make a big difference in a game. Just ask the SGP coach....... Malcolm Williams


This kid is an absolutely awesome football player. He is a great kid period. He blocks punts, runs kickoffs back for touchdowns, intecepts the ball, rushes for TDs ... He is one of those serious IMPACT players. There are some other excellent players on the team as well. But your point is well founded. If SGP was missing #3 they would have been a different team. They do not have the depth of many of the other teams.

On the overtime win against DR, Malcolm switched sides with another DB to throw off DR. He then picked off the pass and ran it in 80 yards for a TD. On and on all year. In the Plano game he ran a kickoff back for a TD. Unfortuantely later on he fumbled a kickoff return trying to duplicate his previous effort and Plano scored on the next play. I hope he is able to keep playing well when he is at A&M.

[implacable44]

20 by the midway point of the 2nd quarter maybe..

ah you got me - actually i was thinking by the first quarter as Trinity wins 52 to nothing and returns the favor with Dimitri nance playing the role of Jerrod Douglas.

[nathan00427]

stats are used to quantify and measure production. stats are easy to manipulate and distort. -- I have a stat for you undefeated in the playoffs. how about that stat? Trinity and Judson have the same record in the playoffs.

like I said - go ahead and drop 40 - dont be suprised if Judson drops 41 -- and don't be suprised if Judson holds you to 20.

if stats didn't matter, high school and college rankings would be thrown out the window. when comparing teams like southlake carroll against teams like st. xavier (OH) or Lakeland (FL), and all of them are inevitably undefeated and winning their respective state titles, how would they compare them for that mythical 'national title'.

how did USC/OU/Auburn get measured last year. it couldn't have been based soley on W/L, because auburn was undefeated too and yet was not in the national title game.

why do pro scouts look at players with fast 40 times or who can rep 225 the most instead of just looking at film and seeing who won their games at the previous level. because even though they won, it doesnt mean they'll be good enough for the next level. stats are important in a LOT of circumstances. thats why we can use stats for comparative analysis, because the past gives a good indication of what will happen in the future.

obviously, stats can be misleading and can always have outliers. but generally, stats are a good thing to look at when comparing two teams that have not played each other yet.

[TrojanHorse03]

nope Bouldin is similar to your QB in that respect. Trevor is no prototype QB.
Trinity hasn't had injuries all season because those are some big Islanders you have on that line. Same type of line you have had every year - and that is why you have all those state titles to show for that great O-line -

and your W's this year are inflated - you guys would leave your starters in against teams like Bell until well into the 4th quarter. Rest assured that Judson is undersized as far as body mass and physical presence but BELIEVE that the heart is what matters and Judson is second to no one in that category.

You rolled up 28 points and 500 yards and got the big fat L. - EXPOSED ! You better hope Bouldin can't throw otherwise it will be a long day for the Hakka - and stop stealing dances from the All Blacks. You also should realize it is not even a Tongan thing - get the culture right.

I just want to say thank you, imbecile44, ur providing the same bullentin board material that our other fallen opponents have. I hope ur not an L.D. Bell fan, because ur doing ur part to make ur worst nightmares come true. By the way, im going to let u in on a secret that will become more clear when ur simply reading this message board and that is the Trinity football team has used SGP be as a means focusing themselves to achieve their goals. Everytime the read it, hear, it the become more intensely determined to be successful on Saturday. Now this message is for ALL THE TRINITY POSTERS!
First of all most of the Judson fans on this board are actually exemplorary posters. Don't be distracted by the johnny come latelys and the people who have been Trinity haters from the start like imbecile44. In fact I strongly encourage u not to even reply to this thread further. It was nothing more than a trick to get us riled up instead of focused on how GREAT a jobs the boys have done. IT's WEEK 15 we don't need and at a boy from anybody. The best thing to do is not to give them the pleasure of arguing with those who chose to be fools. If the want to think are offense sucks, and that were big, slow, overrated, and our defense can't cover their grandma's I say LET 'EM. Don't take it personal when u obviously know better. Thanx and let's make sure, we enjoy this entire week!:D

[implacable44]

if stats didn't matter, high school and college rankings would be thrown out the window. when comparing teams like southlake carroll against teams like st. xavier (OH) or Lakeland (FL), and all of them are inevitably undefeated and winning their respective state titles, how would they compare them for that mythical 'national title'.

how did USC/OU/Auburn get measured last year. it couldn't have been based soley on W/L, because auburn was undefeated too and yet was not in the national title game.

why do pro scouts look at players with fast 40 times or who can rep 225 the most instead of just looking at film and seeing who won their games at the previous level. because even though they won, it doesnt mean they'll be good enough for the next level. stats are important in a LOT of circumstances. thats why we can use stats for comparative analysis, because the past gives a good indication of what will happen in the future.

obviously, stats can be misleading and can always have outliers. but generally, stats are a good thing to look at when comparing two teams that have not played each other yet.


yep we'll see - like those stats Westfield had that were superior to Judsons.

I remember some of those same stats that SLC posters were throwing around talking about how they would punish the Trojans and I remember several Trojan posters claiming SLC had not faced a team like Trinity and wouldn't be able to put up those numbers. - We will see Saturday how those stats work out. If they tell the same story on the field they are telling off the field.

[hollywood]

Keep them in Ohio -

There are nothing but quality programs left in the playoffs -- and most of the state is full of quality programs.

My point. :)

[JRocketMan]

only teams without the stats disregard them.

i didn't say we'd score a td on every possesion against YA'LL like we had against them, but...

those stats DO indicate that we DID DOMINATE every other team in the playoffs we've played. when you're scoring touchdowns at that rate, its difficult to lose.

and to implacable44 "plano east had a good D but bad O..."
which would explain why the score was 42-0 at halftime. trinity put the backups in for the FIRST POSSESIONS of the second half. PE scored the next 2 tds, so ET put the starters back in for a little while longer after that just to ensure a comeback wouldn't happen.

im not here to say judson is bad, you guys may be getting me wrong. to hold westfield to 14 points is a very nice accomplishment, even with their qb being out. but, dont be surprised (and if you still are, don't say i didn't warn ya), when trinity drops 40 in the point column.

See Ive been trying to be cool about this whole situation and show your team some respect..And to all Trojans Fans..I respect your team and I wont let this bad apple spoil the bunch. This is direct toward Nathan with 8 posts and him only..Like I said save the stats for your personal satisfaction..Hug them, kiss them, make love to them, maybe even print them on t shirts and sell them..The game is played on the field..Best luck to Both teams..It will be an excellent game..Hope u will be at the game..

[nathan00427]

yep we'll see - like those stats Westfield had that were superior to Judsons.

I remember some of those same stats that SLC posters were throwing around talking about how they would punish the Trojans and I remember several Trojan posters claiming SLC had not faced a team like Trinity and wouldn't be able to put up those numbers. - We will see Saturday how those stats work out. If they tell the same story on the field they are telling off the field.

when slc fans argue with trinity fans, there is a mutual respect. both teams are confident they could beat the other, but both acknowledge that the other side would also have a chance to win.

slc's weakness is teams that can run right at them, and trinitys weakness is spread offenses. it would be a point brigade and may very well come down to who had the ball last.

if they played a 10 game series, i would fully expect it to be 6-4 for either team or 5-5.

and yes we will see if the stats prevail or not. as long as its a good game and i have a good time while im down there, thats all that really matters to me.

good luck to both teams.

[implacable44]

I just want to say thank you, imbecile44, ur providing the same bullentin board material that our other fallen opponents have. I hope ur not an L.D. Bell fan, because ur doing ur part to make ur worst nightmares come true. By the way, im going to let u in on a secret that will become more clear when ur simply reading this message board and that is the Trinity football team has used SGP be as a means focusing themselves to achieve their goals. Everytime the read it, hear, it the become more intensely determined to be successful on Saturday. Now this message is for ALL THE TRINITY POSTERS!
First of all most of the Judson fans on this board are actually exemplorary posters. Don't be distracted by the johnny come latelys and the people who have been Trinity haters from the start like imbecile44. In fact I strongly encourage u not to even reply to this thread further. It was nothing more than a trick to get us riled up instead of focus of how GREAT a jobs the boys have done. IT's WEEK 15 we don't need and at a boy from anybody. The best thing to do is not any give them the pleasure of arguing with those who chose to be fools. If the want to think are offense sucks, and that were big, slow, overrated, and our defense can cover their grandma's I say LET 'EM. Don't take it personal when u obviously know better. Thanx and let's make sure, we enjoy this entire week!:D

woah - wow - I feel bad now. oh man - bulletin board material - ummh wow - I am speechless. Trojanman has foiled my plot. yeah i am secretly an LD bell fan -- right. and I have been a hater of Trinity since the beginning since several of my wive's relatives go to school there and have been to my house and I have been to theirs. you got me sully-- and I am a johnny come lately since I just joined the board last week.

I hope they stay focused --- see none of this garbage you and the loyalists say is bulletin board material for the Rockets because they don't care what you say. Their drive and focus is internal and based on years of tradition and excellence. It has nothing to do with a message board that trojan man posts his mediocre thoughts on. See you in Roundrock !

[implacable44]

when slc fans argue with trinity fans, there is a mutual respect. both teams are confident they could beat the other, but both acknowledge that the other side would also have a chance to win.

slc's weakness is teams that can run right at them, and trinitys weakness is spread offenses. it would be a point brigade and may very well come down to who had the ball last.

if they played a 10 game series, i would fully expect it to be 6-4 for either team or 5-5.

and yes we will see if the stats prevail or not. as long as its a good game and i have a good time while im down there, thats all that really matters to me.

good luck to both teams.

ummh no -- I don't recall that in the conversation and I bet you couldn't find too many SLC posters that will agree with that garbage statement. Since when is their weakness the run ? they have a solid D against the run and the pass and if you can find 10 SLC posters who agree that Trinity and SLC would split a 10 game series like that then you are the man. They might give you a 9-1 split or even an 8-2 but most of them will give you a 10-0 split being that they are 61-1.

[nathan00427]

See Ive been trying to be cool about this whole situation and show your team some respect..And to all Trojans Fans..I respect your team and I wont let this bad apple spoil the bunch. This is direct toward Nathan and him only..Like I said save the stats for your personal satisfaction..Hug them, kiss them, make love to them..Just Like I gave fair warning to SW and they didnt take heed..I'll give warning to you too..Captain Insano is back on the DLine..He is off the chain..I mean literally off the chain...SW didnt listen..Nathan do your research on that statement...

itd be much easier to look up judsons stats too if they were posted anywhere i could find them. the houston paper is pretty weak compared to the dallas morning news in terms of keeping area players/teams stats and game stats posted. i am a homer but i like to look at both sides of the argument.

and for calling me a 'bad apple' -- im just trying to have a healthy debate about the game, but you're ignoring what i say and just saying let the players decide it. well obviously, but i like hearing other peoples opinions on what they think will happen and why, backed up with information and not just 'because i think so' or 'because they have heart'. im not trying to offend you guys or make you mad, im showing you my side of the argument and telling you why i think what i think. feel free to do the same. and if you choose not to tell me why you think your team will win with any sort of backing, don't get mad at me for doing it.

go trojans!

[hollywood]

... since several of my wive's relatives go to school there and have been to my house and I have been to theirs ...

Whats their 40 times and how much can they Bench?

Just kidding ...

[nathan00427]

ummh no -- I don't recall that in the conversation and I bet you couldn't find too many SLC posters that will agree with that garbage statement. Since when is their weakness the run ? they have a solid D against the run and the pass and if you can find 10 SLC posters who agree that Trinity and SLC would split a 10 game series like that then you are the man. They might give you a 9-1 split or even an 8-2 but most of them will give you a 10-0 split being that they are 61-1.

http://texashsfootball.com/board/index.php?act=idx

ask most of them and they'll agree. how many SLC games have you seen or been to this year? their biggest weakness over the last 5 years has been run defense. trinity is as good a run team as southlake is a passing team (please don't challenge this, or make me go get MORE stats). its widely known in this area that trinity is to the run as southlake is to the pass. most people i know that have gone to either of the schools acknowledge that there is no way either defense would be able to hold the other offense in check. it come down to turnovers/stops. whoever could get 3 stops in that game would win i have no doubts in my mind.

they have been 61-1 over the last X years (4 or 5 yea), but im not arguing for the 2003 trinity trojans. slc has been dominant over the last 5 years, something to be very proud of. this is the only year i honestly believe trinity and slc would play such a close game (or series). in other years, it would have been fun to watch, but trinity would have been smashed on like most of the other teams. this year, however, most people in this area agree that it would be a close game. and dont continue this argument for the next 5 years either, because trinity will not be near as good as slc is next year or in the few following. carroll's getting dodge back at qb and newton back at rb for the next 2 years, so you can expect similar things to this years squad. i have talked with them, and basically everyone I talk to agrees with me.

[TrojanHorse03]

Its a shame Plano decided to get cute in the second, ah well, on to saturday :D !

[JRocketMan]

Nathan, not mad at all..But see when u try to judge a team by stats like SW did, they got smashed in the mouth with that whole stat thing, so Im tryig to run with this on a different note..See Im not a stats man and dont follow stats. Really dont care.We can talk about your offense and why they are so great like the title of thread..All Ive heard is their massive..Any could coach can counter that..Tell me why they are so good.Besides there massive.. and then we can speak about why are defense is good..

[implacable44]

http://texashsfootball.com/board/index.php?act=idx

ask most of them and they'll agree. how many SLC games have you seen or been to this year? their biggest weakness over the last 5 years has been run defense. trinity is as good a run team as southlake is a passing team (please don't challenge this, or make me go get MORE stats). its widely known in this area that trinity is to the run as southlake is to the pass. most people i know that have gone to either of the schools acknowledge that there is no way either defense would be able to hold the other offense in check. it come down to turnovers/stops. whoever could get 3 stops in that game would win i have no doubts in my mind.

they have been 61-1 over the last X years (4 or 5 yea), but im not arguing for the 2003 trinity trojans. slc has been dominant over the last 5 years, something to be very proud of. this is the only year i honestly believe trinity and slc would play such a close game (or series). in other years, it would have been fun to watch, but trinity would have been smashed on like most of the other teams. this year, however, most people in this area agree that it would be a close game. and dont continue this argument for the next 5 years either, because trinity will not be near as good as slc is next year or in the few following. carroll's getting dodge back at qb and newton back at rb for the next 2 years, so you can expect similar things to this years squad. i have talked with them, and basically everyone I talk to agrees with me.

why are you linking me to a different message board ? Who are these people you are talking to ? Trinity people ? None of the SLC people I talk to agree with you. and Don't let them hear you talk about the run - SLC runs the ball pretty well. Luna might have been one of the best backs in the state last year and definitely one of the most valuable - Tre Newton was on his way to an all-city season had he not been injured. Mcelroy runs ( awkwardly but he runs) Riley runs the ball - I mean SLC can run the ball - that is a huge misconception. Stop the run - Moody had a good first half against SLC and then they made adjustments and shut him down in the second half. I want you to find some SLC folks who agree that they will not be able to stop the run and that they would lost 5 out of 10 to Trinity. The thing is - they would score every time and do it quickly. If Trinity got stopped and had to punt once - they would be down 7. punt twice - down 14 and then panic sets in and you have to rely on trevor's arm and then interceptions happen. - This is all hogwash anyway like the mythical national championship - Trinity has to face Judson a real opponent who is real good who will bring it come game time.

[nathan00427]

Nathan, not mad at all..But see when u try to judge a team by stats like SW did, they got smashed in the mouth with that whole stat thing, so Im tryig to run with this on a different note..See Im not a stats man and dont follow stats. Really dont care.We can talk about your offense and why they are so great like the title of thread..All Ive heard is their massive..Any could coach can counter that..Tell me why they are so good.Besides there massive.. and then we can speak about why are defense is good..

they're very well coached. despite trinity not having championships, their presence in the semis in 3 of the last 5 years says the coaches in euless are doing something right. their losses in the other semi-final games were to the state champions lufkin in 2001 (reggie mcneal's team) and to state champs tyler lee last year. so yes they are big, but as big as they are, they are also technically sound players. they don't really have any offensive lineman this year like ofa mohetau (top OL recruit in the country in 2002 according to espn), but for the school to be producing top rated OL, they have to be teaching fundamentals correctly. from experience, when someone is bigger than you AND plays fundamentally sound, there isn't a whole lot you can do about it. i will assume (unless i see otherwise on saturday) that your d-line will be well coached, smaller and quicker. that is very helpfull along the outside and when rushing the quarterback. but as you were talking about how important coaching is, trinity gameplans very well. they know the strength is in the run game, especially between the tackles. instead of letting your quicker defense run to the outside and make plays, trinity generally makes the defense play different than they are used to. if you don't load up with 8+ in the box, the middle is gashed for yards. once teams do (which every team has done so far this year), trinity is averaging almost 30 yards per completion, with trevor being an accurate deep-ball thrower. trinity isn't just a 'bunch of athletes' as it seems most thought about SW. trinity's list of great 'athletes' can be counted on one hand. but they are extremely well coached, disciplined and is by far the best running team i have ever seen in high school.

thats about the best explanation of 'why trinity's offense is so good' i can give ya without stats. since ur not a stat man, please do the same with why judson's defense is so good.

[TrojanHorse03]

why are you linking me to a different message board ? Who are these people you are talking to ? Trinity people ? None of the SLC people I talk to agree with you. and Don't let them hear you talk about the run - SLC runs the ball pretty well. Luna might have been one of the best backs in the state last year and definitely one of the most valuable - Tre Newton was on his way to an all-city season had he not been injured. Mcelroy runs ( awkwardly but he runs) Riley runs the ball - I mean SLC can run the ball - that is a huge misconception. Stop the run - Moody had a good first half against SLC and then they made adjustments and shut him down in the second half. I want you to find some SLC folks who agree that they will not be able to stop the run and that they would lost 5 out of 10 to Trinity. The thing is - they would score every time and do it quickly. If Trinity got stopped and had to punt once - they would be down 7. punt twice - down 14 and then panic sets in and you have to rely on trevor's arm and then interceptions happen. - This is all hogwash anyway like the mythical national championship - Trinity has to face Judson a real opponent who is real good who will bring it come game time.

I didn't even read the rest of the garbage u wrote but that last line is very true.

[nathan00427]

why are you linking me to a different message board ? Who are these people you are talking to ? Trinity people ? None of the SLC people I talk to agree with you. and Don't let them hear you talk about the run - SLC runs the ball pretty well. Luna might have been one of the best backs in the state last year and definitely one of the most valuable - Tre Newton was on his way to an all-city season had he not been injured. Mcelroy runs ( awkwardly but he runs) Riley runs the ball - I mean SLC can run the ball - that is a huge misconception. Stop the run - Moody had a good first half against SLC and then they made adjustments and shut him down in the second half. I want you to find some SLC folks who agree that they will not be able to stop the run and that they would lost 5 out of 10 to Trinity. The thing is - they would score every time and do it quickly. If Trinity got stopped and had to punt once - they would be down 7. punt twice - down 14 and then panic sets in and you have to rely on trevor's arm and then interceptions happen. - This is all hogwash anyway like the mythical national championship - Trinity has to face Judson a real opponent who is real good who will bring it come game time.

southlake turns the ball over more than trinity does. they punt about the same amount. i posted that message board because there is a LOT of SLC fans on it and i was directing you to where they agreed with me (since you told me to do so). and as good as slc's run game is, trinity's pass game is equal. neither of them are asked to carry the load, but are effective when called upon. newton has had a good season but was not even going to be close to one of the top backs in the area this season. i know you said city -- but when theres only 1 school in your city, i assume you meant for the dfw area.

[TrojanHorse03]

I don't know where people are getting this turnover thing about Trinity after Saturday's game they now have 11 turnovers.... in 14 games!

[implacable44]

I didn't even read the rest of the garbage u wrote but that last line is very true.


I wouldn't expect you to - it is in English brother - not Tongan -- notice the lack of successive vowels. Literacy is important -- remember that.

[TrojanHorse03]

I wouldn't expect you to - it is in English brother - not Tongan -- notice the lack of successive vowels. Literacy is important -- remember that.

Yeah and itd be good for you to learn it when you properly ask for a quarter from my black @ss!

[nathan00427]

I wouldn't expect you to - it is in English brother - not Tongan -- notice the lack of successive vowels. Literacy is important -- remember that.

no use for racism anywhere. if you said something like that at the game you would be beaten pretty badly. and try not to make this a battle of wits, i'm not quite sure you'd be able to come armed.

[implacable44]

Yeah and itd be good for you to learn it when you properly ask for a quarter from my black @ss!

No thanks - Dont want nothing from your @ss.

[implacable44]

no use for racism anywhere. if you said something like that at the game you would be beaten pretty badly. and try not to make this a battle of wits, i'm not quite sure you'd be able to come armed.

it isn;t racist - how can I be racist against Tongans when my wife is one and my three daughters are "half a kassi" ( not sure how you spell that in tongan) -might not be PC but I never claimed to be nor will I ever,

[JRocketMan]

they're very well coached. despite trinity not having championships, their presence in the semis in 3 of the last 5 years says the coaches in euless are doing something right. their losses in the other semi-final games were to the state champions lufkin in 2001 (reggie mcneal's team) and to state champs tyler lee last year. so yes they are big, but as big as they are, they are also technically sound players. they don't really have any offensive lineman this year like ofa mohetau (top OL recruit in the country in 2002 according to espn), but for the school to be producing top rated OL, they have to be teaching fundamentals correctly. from experience, when someone is bigger than you AND plays fundamentally sound, there isn't a whole lot you can do about it. i will assume (unless i see otherwise on saturday) that your d-line will be well coached, smaller and quicker. that is very helpfull along the outside and when rushing the quarterback. but as you were talking about how important coaching is, trinity gameplans very well. they know the strength is in the run game, especially between the tackles. instead of letting your quicker defense run to the outside and make plays, trinity generally makes the defense play different than they are used to. if you don't load up with 8+ in the box, the middle is gashed for yards. once teams do (which every team has done so far this year), trinity is averaging almost 30 yards per completion, with trevor being an accurate deep-ball thrower. trinity isn't just a 'bunch of athletes' as it seems most thought about SW. trinity's list of great 'athletes' can be counted on one hand. but they are extremely well coached, disciplined and is by far the best running team i have ever seen in high school.

thats about the best explanation of 'why trinity's offense is so good' i can give ya without stats. since ur not a stat man, please do the same with why judson's defense is so good.

Right now I dont have the time to go in length as I would like.I will later.But this defense isnt that small, but extremely quick off the ball and very strong..They hunt like a pack of wolves and Im not joking. U try to run outside you will meet at least 4 players very quickly.They pride themselves in bone crushing tackles..We dont stack the box..Because of their qucikness, we dont have too..The secondary is crazy..If u put the ball in the air 9 times 6-7 will be intercepted or broken up..We have Corners with speed and will match anyone reciever one on one.. Also Super Fast Safetys that love to hit. Did I say how they love to hit..They tackle extremely well but love to hit, there is a big difference between the too...

[nathan00427]

Right now I dont have the time to go in length as I would like.I will later.But this defense isnt that small, but extremely quick off the ball and very strong..They hunt like a pack of wolves and Im not joking. U try to run outside you will meet at least 4 players very quickly.They pride themselves in bone crushing tackles..We dont stack the box..Because of their qucikness, we dont have too..The secondary is crazy..If u put the ball in the air 9 times 6-7 will be intercepted or broken up..We have Corners with speed and will match anyone reciever one on one.. Also Super Fast Safetys that love to hit.

trinity won't throw unless its off the play-action. i have a feeling judson's defense is similar to that of irv. mac's / SGP (the two other playoff teams from 6-5a). they were both good and held trinity's offense down the best of any other teams we've played. that said, even they stacked the box. if you dont have 8 players around the line of scrimmage, trinity gets unheard of yards up the middle. their top two backs both average around the 10 yards per carry average. against good teams with top defenses, its a little less, but still hovering around the 7-8 ypc mark. its kinda pointless not to stack the box. trinity will only throw the ball a few times a game. most teams don't 'waste' those extra players by leaving them back for coverage, they just bring them up since they'd be useless 10 yards off the line. once the coaches finally decide to bring the 8th or 9th man up, thats when trinity has the playaction and gets all those passing yards on so few completions.

[ValleyKid]

Just like westfield they have hype, that right now is why everyone thinks they're so great.....They are no pushovers either I'm not saying that westfield wasn't good either. these teams are just talked about like they're superhuman when they're not

[bugw09]

it isn;t racist - how can I be racist against Tongans when my wife is one and my three daughters are "half a kassi" ( not sure how you spell that in tongan) -might not be PC but I never claimed to be nor will I ever,

I'm gonna have to call Bullsh!t on that one.

[farmerfan]

Just like westfield they have hype, that right now is why everyone thinks they're so great.....They are no pushovers either I'm not saying that westfield wasn't good either. these teams are just talked about like they're superhuman when they're not

I dont think they are talked about like they are super human. They have deserved all the recognition they have gotten. Judson has quietly gained the states respect again after a below average regular season for Judson standards. The fact remains that both Trinity and Westfield have deserved all the recognition they have gotten. Are they great teams? I think they proved that over the course of the year. Is Judson a great team? I would say over the last 4 weeks that they are a great team and that is all that matters.

[implacable44]

I dont think they are talked about like they are super human. They have deserved all the recognition they have gotten. Judson has quietly gained the states respect again after a below average regular season for Judson standards. The fact remains that both Trinity and Westfield have deserved all the recognition they have gotten. Are they great teams? I think they proved that over the course of the year. Is Judson a great team? I would say over the last 4 weeks that they are a great team and that is all that matters.

all that matters will be what is done on the field and the score at the end of the game.

[implacable44]

I'm gonna have to call Bullsh!t on that one.

oh that is always nice - calling me a liar. okay well lets see how we can resolve this to your satisfaction - mmmhh - okay well -
really - I see you live in Waco right ? do you know Nakia Codie ? maybe you know Michael Wright ?

[nathan00427]

all that matters will be what is done on the field and the score at the end of the game.

ill hold you to that.

[implacable44]

ill hold you to that.

and I am confident that pending a Judson victory you will disappear and not be heard from for another year - not man enough to come back in here and recognize the greatness of Rocket Pride.

[JRocketMan]

CONVERSE JUDSON ROCKETS!!!!! FIRE IN THE HOLE!!!!!!!

[farmerfan]

and I am confident that pending a Judson victory you will disappear and not be heard from for another year - not man enough to come back in here and recognize the greatness of Rocket Pride.

man if you say that about him, you need to hold some of these other rocket fans who are posting in full confidence, but a month ago were no where to be found. Minus lonny, bullrock, tewxasredx6 and a few others, the Judson fans have appeared as quickly as the plano fans have left. Lets not have a double standard here.

[implacable44]

man if you say that about him, you need to hold some of these other rocket fans who are posting in full confidence, but a month ago were no where to be found. Minus lonny, bullrock, tewxasredx6 and a few others, the Judson fans have appeared as quickly as the plano fans have left. Lets not have a double standard here.


I am sure that is true but I never left and I wont regardless of the outcome against Trinity.

[bullrock]

I think I made mention of that earlier. I haven't heard of a lot of them. I'm starting to wonder if we aren't getting "spammed" by some of the folks we've beat!

[Slim-Rob]

Westfield had a great team. Regardless on whether or not they had a bad day, or if Judson's D is dominant, they are out. Judson now faces a different type of threat in Trinity, and there will be no talk of the 52-0 spanking Trinity recieved in '92 in the Judson locker room. Trinity has a better team this year, and Judson's offense isn't as good as the '92 team. I don't think both teams will combine for 52 points in this game, but I could be wrong.

[nathan00427]

and I am confident that pending a Judson victory you will disappear and not be heard from for another year - not man enough to come back in here and recognize the greatness of Rocket Pride.

i plan on disappearing regardless of the outcome. i'm a trinity homer, yes, and i know trinity won't be near as good next year as they are this year. i'll always be a trinity fan, but if they dont even make the playoffs this year, i wont be able to talk to you guys about my team. thus, i'd have nothing to talk about of value. i still know the kids that go there, and have played with many of them. im not some idiot kid who comes on here and just yells GO TRINITY!!!!!!!! i like knowing about the other teams they're playing and what each teams strengths/weaknesses are. but yes, i will disappear and wont be heard from for a while once the season's done (other than the short amount of gloating ill do once the championship is played :D )

[hollywood]

i plan on disappearing regardless of the outcome. i'm a trinity homer, yes, and i know trinity won't be near as good next year as they are this year. i'll always be a trinity fan, but if they dont even make the playoffs this year, i wont be able to talk to you guys about my team. thus, i'd have nothing to talk about of value. i still know the kids that go there, and have played with many of them. im not some idiot kid who comes on here and just yells GO TRINITY!!!!!!!! i like knowing about the other teams they're playing and what each teams strengths/weaknesses are. but yes, i will disappear and wont be heard from for a while once the season's done (other than the short amount of gloating ill do once the championship is played :D )

You will probably beat my team next year ... SGP

[Plano East Player]

There is really nothing special about the euless trinity offense. Having played against them in the area round of the playoffs i no firsthand that they love to pound the ball and wear you out all game long. There offensive line although massive, isnt the driving force behind the offense. Dimitri Nance i believe is one of the top 2 running backs in the state. He is quick, fast and hes strong enough to brush off arm tackles. To stop there offense you must play your gaps and attack there mammoth offensive lineman.

[Crank_It]

man if you say that about him, you need to hold some of these other rocket fans who are posting in full confidence, but a month ago were no where to be found. Minus lonny, bullrock, tewxasredx6 and a few others, the Judson fans have appeared as quickly as the plano fans have left. Lets not have a double standard here.

well I am relatively new to this site but if your run a search you can see that i've favored coju from the beginning, we all had our doubts but the pride was still there and will be there in the finals. good luck to both teams, it'll be a good'n!

[LoneRocket]

There is really nothing special about the euless trinity offense. Having played against them in the area round of the playoffs i no firsthand that they love to pound the ball and wear you out all game long. There offensive line although massive, isnt the driving force behind the offense. Dimitri Nance i believe is one of the top 2 running backs in the state. He is quick, fast and hes strong enough to brush off arm tackles. To stop there offense you must play your gaps and attack there mammoth offensive lineman.
We have to play much better than we had against Reagan, it is going to be tough.

[The Great Evaluator]

There is really nothing special about the euless trinity offense. Having played against them in the area round of the playoffs i no firsthand that they love to pound the ball and wear you out all game long. There offensive line although massive, isnt the driving force behind the offense. Dimitri Nance i believe is one of the top 2 running backs in the state. He is quick, fast and hes strong enough to brush off arm tackles. To stop there offense you must play your gaps and attack there mammoth offensive lineman.
Nance is easily one of the best backs in the state. Texas schools will rue the day they let him get away to Arizona State.

[The Great Evaluator]

If he threw like two passes then it was because they did not feel the need to pass. The Trinity QB is very good. A one game sample is not a good view into this team. Probably not any team. Was this a tight game?
Hollwood is right, saying all we gotta do is stop Nance is like saying "ALL we gotta do is shut down Eric Dickerson". 3,000 yards and counting...And this week he will play in the 2nd half too!

[nathan00427]

Hollwood is right, saying all we gotta do is stop Nance is like saying "ALL we gotta do is shut down Eric Dickerson". 3,000 yards and counting...And this week he will play in the 2nd half too!

not if its a blowout! :D

im not predicting a blowout btw, im just throwin that out there lol.

[TrojanHorse03]

There is really nothing special about the euless trinity offense. Having played against them in the area round of the playoffs i no firsthand that they love to pound the ball and wear you out all game long. There offensive line although massive, isnt the driving force behind the offense. Dimitri Nance i believe is one of the top 2 running backs in the state. He is quick, fast and hes strong enough to brush off arm tackles. To stop there offense you must play your gaps and attack there mammoth offensive lineman.

Yeah this kid is so good, he's made me down right cynical. I think what people don't no is how strong this kid is in the weight room, and how he works to get twice as good each offseason. He's probably around 200 ibs right now, and he now can bounce of tackles so easily that u don't always notice them the first time u watch a play.

[TrojanHorse03]

i plan on disappearing regardless of the outcome. i'm a trinity homer, yes, and i know trinity won't be near as good next year as they are this year. i'll always be a trinity fan, but if they dont even make the playoffs this year, i wont be able to talk to you guys about my team. thus, i'd have nothing to talk about of value. i still know the kids that go there, and have played with many of them. im not some idiot kid who comes on here and just yells GO TRINITY!!!!!!!! i like knowing about the other teams they're playing and what each teams strengths/weaknesses are. but yes, i will disappear and wont be heard from for a while once the season's done (other than the short amount of gloating ill do once the championship is played :D )

This week the thoughts have been about the opportunity were fortunate to have. As for next year we will be better than u or many think. Now I don't think they will be top 10 material early in the season, but I think they will have the pieces there to be one of the top 25 teams in Texas, and they be playing significantly better at the end of the season than the beginning. The will have a ton of experience coming back on defense, which should be their rock, theres a ton of bright prospects coming up as well. And on top of that on offense they will have some guys who will be returning who surprising make the passing game really good. Their won't be a star backfield like this year Taggart will do fine, and believe it or not there are some bright prospects to step up at running back.

[implacable44]

Yeah this kid is so good, he's made me down right cynical. I think what people don't no is how strong this kid is in the weight room, and how he works to get twice as good each offseason. He's probably around 200 ibs right now, and he now can bounce of tackles so easily that u don't always notice them the first time u watch a play.

Is this M. Nance ? Is he your son or something ?

[TrojanHorse03]

Is this M. Nance ? Is he your son or something ?

No, what did u wanna borrow him for the saturday, :p ?

[implacable44]

No, what did u wanna borrow him for the saturday, :p ?

do you have some sort of man crush on him then ?

[TrojanHorse03]

His name seems to be in ur mouth a lot, that 3,000 yds and counting thing must really be getting to u, and its only tuesday!

[implacable44]

His name seems to be in ur mouth a lot, that 3,000 yds and counting thing must really be getting to u, and its only tuesday!

what 3,000 yards? there are a few numbers in my head - like 6 and most likely 7 titles - and the number 0 comes to mind -- as in how many wins Trinity has against Judson - and 0 -- as in how many yards nance has against the Rockets. -- those numbers come to mind but not 3,000. Heck Peyton Manning threw for the most TD's ever last year and what did that get him ? a loss in the playoffs.

[da wiz]

[QUOTE=implacable44]do you have some sort of man crush on him then ?[/QUOTE

i know you didnt go there, he is doing what you do , give insights
on his team, if he has a man crush id say you are right up there
with him, truth is with judsons very good defense and efficent offense
vs. trinity's very good offense, and efficent defense, it ough to be a
good game saturday,, but trinity has seen good defenses before,
but im sure judson hasnt seen an offense like they will see this weekend
team average over 46 pts per game, ad an RB. averaging over 200 yds
a game after 14 games,,


good luck to both teams,,,

[implacable44]

[QUOTE=implacable44]do you have some sort of man crush on him then ?[/QUOTE

i know you didnt go there, he is doing what you do , give insights
on his team, if he has a man crush id say you are right up there
with him, truth is with judsons very good defense and efficent offense
vs. trinity's very good offense, and efficent defense, it ough to be a
good game saturday,, but trinity has seen good defenses before,
but im sure judson hasnt seen an offense like they will see this weekend
team average over 46 pts per game, ad an RB. averaging over 200 yds
a game after 14 games,,


good luck to both teams,,,

we havent seen that kind of team ? Westfield didn;t have a great offense before running into the rocket machine ?

game is saturday - on the field.

[da wiz]

they had great atheletes but not a great offense in imo, they lost a star
player and it was over, trinity has depth, 8-10 lineman play regular,
5 wide outs with no dropoff, two very good tight ends, one with an
80 yard td this season, and a 1000 yard full back that can replace
the 3000 yard half back if needed.......

[implacable44]

they had great atheletes but not a great offense in imo, they lost a star
player and it was over, trinity has depth, 8-10 lineman play regular,
5 wide outs with no dropoff, two very good tight ends, one with an
80 yard td this season, and a 1000 yard full back that can replace
the 3000 yard half back if needed.......


oh that must be why you're the wiz -- what does that refer to anyway - hold on i gotta go potty -- --- okay im back now. westfield had great athletes but not a great offense -- okay --

trinity has depth - 5 wideouts with no drop off - are we talking about SLC here? 5 wideouts at trinity with no drop off? wow - considering you only throw the ball like 10 times a game -

and here we go with the yards again - none of those yards came against judson.

[bugw09]

This thread is dead yo.

[da wiz]

they cant compare to SLC recievers they are all going d-1, no drop off
means 0f the 5, they are all capabable of getting the job done, and
if you have two running backs with over 4000 yards, why would you
want to throw more than ten times a game, how many times does
judson throw it per game,,

and da wiz, was a tag given to me by my college roomate many years
ago, and most of my friends still call me that...its nothing i came up
with, i just try to be a humble christian man, its not always easy
though...

[nathan00427]

This week the thoughts have been about the opportunity were fortunate to have. As for next year we will be better than u or many think. Now I don't think they will be top 10 material early in the season, but I think they will have the pieces there to be one of the top 25 teams in Texas, and they be playing significantly better at the end of the season than the beginning. The will have a ton of experience coming back on defense, which should be their rock, theres a ton of bright prospects coming up as well. And on top of that on offense they will have some guys who will be returning who surprising make the passing game really good. Their won't be a star backfield like this year Taggart will do fine, and believe it or not there are some bright prospects to step up at running back.

ryans a bum.

haha just kidding im good friends with the taggarts. yeah trinity should be decent next year, but i can't really see them contending for another state title. does anyone know who their replacements for the 2 headed monster at running back will be?

[TrojanWebman]

This thread is dead yo.
Yep.

[trojanman2343]

how kind - i dont recall you making those types of comments about Trinity when there was a possibility that SLC would go D1 ?

anyway - Trinity is nothing special. I have seen them play twice. Their most impressive performance will be before the game when they do the Hakka - which the Rockets probably won't even see because they do it behind the air tunnel. They are big and they have two good running backs. Thier seconday is a joke and the Rockets will be able to move the ball through the air. Their QB is pretty good although he doesn't throw very often because they have been able to run the ball effectively. Should be a good game.

I would like to know which games you have seen. Our secondary, after the irving mac game(Mike Smith 3 interceptions), has showed up big to hold defenses.

[FeeltheHaka]

Trevor Vittatoe-Good leader, extremely enthusiastic, excellent footwork yet to be seen rushing ability
Dimitri Nance- Smart and Deceptive, and too many other things to list
The Offensive Line- Huge and Agile, and works together
The receivers-versatile, great catchers, good execution, constantly evolving.
Tight End Scroggins-good Attitude, big, hard hitting, good execution
Laderrick Handy- could easily hold his own if there was no Dimitri. disciplined, unselfish, and
yet to be seen receiveing ability.

I think a mistake teams make, is they focus too much on the run; then get mauled by a long pass from one of Vittatoes 10 per game passes. After this defenses seem to lose it. Being smothered by a huge agile Offensive line while worrying about two great backs, while trying to cover a long pass is too much for most teams to handle.

I believe Trinity lost to SGP, because they took them too lightly. I was at the game. Trinity was sluggish. Their tackling was by far the worst I've seen all season. Not to take away from SGP. SGP came to play with heart and Execution. The quarterback ran the ball great, was patient and could throw. The SGP defensive end who looked about 6' 6" was fast, strong, smart and harrased Vittatoe all night.

I think another offensive weapon Trinity has is their defense. In my opinion the Trinity defense is immensley overlooked. They allow few scores, and force turnovers, especially at key times. My goodness, the defense hits hard.
As I mentioned in another thread, I've only seen 1 injury timeout all season with a Trinity player being hurt. I've seen the opponents sustain 3 to 5 each game. Everyone rags on the Trinity secondary. They deserve some criticism.
It seems they try to play the interception too much instead of covering the reciever. I don't know why, but teams try to screen pass too much against the Trojans, and don't get very far with it. On short passes, yes the opponents do complete alot of first half passes, but the secondary hits the recievers VERY hard. Very soon the receivers do not want to catch the short pass when they hear footsteps. (I don't blame them having been a receiver, and watching the hits Trinity's opponents sustain.) I am wondering if this is strategy. Against the run, Trinity is persistent and determined. They seem to shut down the middle.

Having wrote this, no one can argue against Judon's legacy. Judson has evolved through the play offs, and scratched and clawed their way to where they are now. I believe that only SLC, Plano and Judson are the only teams right now, that could figure something out to beat Trinity. If there were a Trintiy- SGP do over, I believe Trinity would win. It will be interesting to see what Judon can do against us. It would be foolish for any of us to assume that either team is taking this game lightly. Trinity learned the hard way from SGP.

What really stinks is that I can't be at the game, and to add insult to injury; I'll be in Toronto, Canada; where I won't get any news or be able to watch the game on TV.

[nathan00427]

Trevor Vittatoe-Good leader, extremely enthusiastic, excellent footwork yet to be seen rushing ability
Dimitri Nance- Smart and Deceptive, and too many other things to list
The Offensive Line- Huge and Agile, and works together
The receivers-versatile, great catchers, good execution, constantly evolving.
Tight End Scroggins-good Attitude, big, hard hitting, good execution
Laderrick Handy- could easily hold his own if there was no Dimitri. disciplined, unselfish, and
yet to be seen receiveing ability.

I think a mistake teams make, is they focus too much on the run; then get mauled by a long pass from one of Vittatoes 10 per game passes. After this defenses seem to lose it. Being smothered by a huge agile Offensive line while worrying about two great backs, while trying to cover a long pass is too much for most teams to handle.

I believe Trinity lost to SGP, because they took them too lightly. I was at the game. Trinity was sluggish. Their tackling was by far the worst I've seen all season. Not to take away from SGP. SGP came to play with heart and Execution. The quarterback ran the ball great, was patient and could throw. The SGP defensive end who looked about 6' 6" was fast, strong, smart and harrased Vittatoe all night.

I think another offensive weapon Trinity has is their defense. In my opinion the Trinity defense is immensley overlooked. They allow few scores, and force turnovers, especially at key times. My goodness, the defense hits hard.
As I mentioned in another thread, I've only seen 1 injury timeout all season with a Trinity player being hurt. I've seen the opponents sustain 3 to 5 each game. Everyone rags on the Trinity secondary. They deserve some criticism.
It seems they try to play the interception too much instead of covering the reciever. I don't know why, but teams try to screen pass too much against the Trojans, and don't get very far with it. On short passes, yes the opponents do complete alot of first half passes, but the secondary hits the recievers VERY hard. Very soon the receivers do not want to catch the short pass when they hear footsteps. (I don't blame them having been a receiver, and watching the hits Trinity's opponents sustain.) I am wondering if this is strategy. Against the run, Trinity is persistent and determined. They seem to shut down the middle.

Having wrote this, no one can argue against Judon's legacy. Judson has evolved through the play offs, and scratched and clawed their way to where they are now. I believe that only SLC, Plano and Judson are the only teams right now, that could figure something out to beat Trinity. If there were a Trintiy- SGP do over, I believe Trinity would win. It will be interesting to see what Judon can do against us. It would be foolish for any of us to assume that either team is taking this game lightly. Trinity learned the hard way from SGP.

What really stinks is that I can't be at the game, and to add insult to injury; I'll be in Toronto, Canada; where I won't get any news or be able to watch the game on TV.

tivo/tape it. will be shown live on fsn.

[TrojanFan4Life]

oh that must be why you're the wiz -- what does that refer to anyway - hold on i gotta go potty -- --- okay im back now. westfield had great athletes but not a great offense -- okay --

trinity has depth - 5 wideouts with no drop off - are we talking about SLC here? 5 wideouts at trinity with no drop off? wow - considering you only throw the ball like 10 times a game -

and here we go with the yards again - none of those yards came against judson.


You are truly sex deprived - we know how cranky guys get without it - I'm not sure you know to much about anything except how to be antagonistic - you need to go get some then you might be able to think more clearly:confused:

With that being said - Everyone (including Judson) had to start with 0 championships and finally win the first one - we are on our way to try again - you keep basking in the past while we stay focused on the future.

[bullrock]

That first feels like nothing else. It was so much fun watching the team get it. The rest are all a blur. They are all special in thier own way but I still remember that coooold day at Texas Stadium.

[TrojanFan4Life]

That first feels like nothing else. It was so much fun watching the team get it. The rest are all a blur. They are all special in thier own way but I still remember that coooold day at Texas Stadium.


We are hoping to get that feeling this Saturday!!!!!! Can't wait - we are staying on Friday night so we don't have to get up at the crack of dawn with 2 little ones! WE will be there when the gates open!

Good luck to both teams - just a little more to the Trojans!!!!:D

[bullrock]

I'll be there too. Can't wait.

[gritty52]

Trojan I'll be there Friday too!! Getting up at dawn isn't good. Will be there when the gate opens. I'm ready!!! HAKAAAAAAAAAAA!!:D :D :D

[JRocketMan]

I'll be there too. Can't wait.

U and everyone else..There will be a tidal wave of Red going up to Round Rock early..Last time I checked as far as my peoples are concerned we have about 20 to 25 cars leaving at the same time..And thats just the people Im tight with..

[implacable44]

You are truly sex deprived - we know how cranky guys get without it - I'm not sure you know to much about anything except how to be antagonistic - you need to go get some then you might be able to think more clearly:confused:

With that being said - Everyone (including Judson) had to start with 0 championships and finally win the first one - we are on our way to try again - you keep basking in the past while we stay focused on the future.


nope i am focusd on 7 -- up yours

sex deprived? that might be the silliest comment on the board - is that a personal problem you are projecting on to me ?

[nathan00427]

nope i am focusd on 7 -- up yours

sex deprived? that might be the silliest comment on the board - is that a personal problem you are projecting on to me ?

it is probably not his personal problem....but you're generally always the one to insult people instead of talk about the game. hes pointing that out to you, if you were unaware.

[}THS{LaNcEr]

lol...okay...ive researched both teams quite throughly....stats, rosters, games...

and if i was in the least bit worried that judson was a threat...well, then i would be worried and i would act like it.
----------------------------------------
but, what with each side here defending their teams, showing some major devotion, it will only increase the humor for the winner...

because the loser is going to look REALLY stupid. lol...

and that can go either way, trinity or judson...lol