Lufkin .vs. SLC- No Trash, X's and O's

[pack4life]

Maybe we can finally get some sensable football talk going on here. Lufkin .vs. SLC... no trash talk in this one. State which team will win, and have evidence to back it up.

I pick Lufkin. Homerism, and the fact that our team speed is absolutley phenomenal. The defense is lightning quick, and I think we will have pressure on McElroy all day. Even though the SLC o line is very good, I believe Lufkin's pass rush will be on que.

Lufkin's "newfound" rushing attack. JaCorey Turner was the fastest thing on the field on Friday night, and if SLC does not have the speed that CC had, then they will be in trouble against Turner and the Pack. He consitantly hit the corners all night, and was making some amazing cuts. Then, Clifton Kibble pounded away in the middle, and ate up time off the clock to finish them off. Ralph Thomas will also contribute to the rushing attack.

Our QB situation is a mess right now, and Claybon will be missed greatly. He was 11-12 175 yds and 11 carries for 99yds before going down on Friday night, but I think Ralph will be able to handle the QB situation fine.

SLC .vs. LP... Line em up and lets play!

[Packattack94]

:) I couldn't agree more...except that the back up qb. I think ralph will be okay with running and throwing. He's the back up for a reason, though he hasn't taken many snaps this season.

[dragonfootballfan]

Lufkin has all the chips stacked against them in this matchup and that is what I am afraid of. They will play very loose and as usual will be making plays all over the field. There speed at every position has given Carroll fits for two out of the past three years. Anyone who thinks that Hewitt will be ineffective because he was hobbled last week as got to be kidding themselves. Last year he was a shutdown corner without an ACL.

Carroll will be coming off a string of impressive victories and a close call. If the offense does not turn the ball over they should be able to take control of the game. I look for the offense to be stopped a few times, but I think that the defense which will be facing another spread offense (their specialty) will come up huge. I look for Carroll to score in the high 20's or the low 30's while Lufkin schores in the teens or 20's.

[ftballin11]

Lufkin did maintain a rushing attack on Friday, and yes that running back is amazingly fast on the field, and very low center of gravity. QB situation is rough, but no team makes it here on ONE player. Lufkin loves those trick plays and misdirections. It will be a great game, wish I could see it.

[SLC Dragon Fan]

Lufkin has all the chips stacked against them in this matchup and that is what I am afraid of. They will play very loose and as usual will be making plays all over the field. There speed at every position has given Carroll fits for two out of the past three years. Anyone who thinks that Hewitt will be ineffective because he was hobbled last week as got to be kidding themselves. Last year he was a shutdown corner without an ACL.

Carroll will be coming off a string of impressive victories and a close call. If the offense does not turn the ball over they should be able to take control of the game. I look for the offense to be stopped a few times, but I think that the defense which will be facing another spread offense (their specialty) will come up huge. I look for Carroll to score in the high 20's or the low 30's while Lufkin schores in the teens or 20's.

SLC must not make the mistakes they made against Plano. 3 int by McElroy is too much to overcome vs Lufkin. Without those picks, the game against Plano would have been a blowout. SLC had almost 600 yards offense against one of the best defenses in the state. SLC as usual has good team speed and has been incredible at stopping the run since around mid-season. They make excellent adjustments on defense. The emergence of Tre Newton has given SLC a very nice running option that they didn't have earlier in the year. Lufkin will be the toughest test this year for SLC and they must play their best game. If SLC can avoid turnovers, I don't think this one will be close. But that's why they play the game.

[PantherStang84]

We just hope to give SLC a respectable game.

[SLC Dragon Fan]

We just hope to give SLC a respectable game.


I am sure that the Panthers will give SLC everything in their arsenal.

[PantherStang84]

We'll try our best.

[drgnbkr]

I don't think the run will be what does in the Dragons..Plano was unable to move the ball in the second half, as has been the case with all running teams this year. I think the key will be Lufkins Defense..if they are able to pressure McElroy enough with 3 or 4 rushers, it will leave enough DB's/Linebackers to try & cover the WR's for Carroll. In my opinion, Carroll's defense is better this year and will be up to the task of stopping the Pack..can't wait!

[c-lisle]

I've said all year I though SLC was more beatable than the last few years. I thought Lview or LP could beat them. Now LP has a shot and their QB goes down. I will be there rooting for LP but I'm not sure they can do it. I just don't see how a guy who hasn't played qb alll year or taken many snaps can step in and throw well better yet run a offense for 4 qtrs. I will be pulling for the Panthers to pull off the upset though. The panther D needs to play shut down defense for them to have a chance.

[BAMF cowboy]

it'll be interesting to see what the dragons do regarding Hewitt. And who Hewitt will be on? Probably either Fentriss or Renfro since they both play the far outside receivers, sometimes presley rotates in there. Will the dragon just go at him, or will they spread the wealth elsewhere?

[c-lisle]

I don't think the run will be what does in the Dragons..Plano was unable to move the ball in the second half, as has been the case with all running teams this year. I think the key will be Lufkins Defense..if they are able to pressure McElroy enough with 3 or 4 rushers, it will leave enough DB's/Linebackers to try & cover the WR's for Carroll. In my opinion, Carroll's defense is better this year and will be up to the task of stopping the Pack..can't wait!

It depends on how well the backup qb can throw. If SLC can stop the run and the qb can't get it to the receivers then LP might be in trouble.

[SLC Dragon Fan]

I've said all year I though SLC was more beatable than the last few years. I thought Lview or LP could beat them. Now LP has a shot and their QB goes down. I will be there rooting for LP but I'm not sure they can do it. I just don't see how a guy who hasn't played qb alll year or taken many snaps can step in and throw well better yet run a offense for 4 qtrs. I will be pulling for the Panthers to pull off the upset though. The panther D needs to play shut down defense for them to have a chance.


How can you think that SLC is more beatable this year. How many times have you seen them play? This is the best defense they've had in 4 years and they're running up huge offensive numbers in the playoffs (even in the close Plano game). I respectfully disagree that they're more beatable than prior years. Are they beatable? Sure, But any team is on any given day.

[crunked9]

Should be a good one! Another great SLC v.s. Lufkin game!

[BigFanSLC]

Should be a good one! Another great SLC v.s. Lufkin game!

With some great catches on 4th down. right danellie ;)

[pack4life]

SLC could very well contain our run, hell, they did it against J Lane last year! But our running style this year is completely different. We have a runner with so much speed it is unreal. But, as I said last year, SLC had the best front 7 that we played all season. I just am confident that Turner will be able to hit the corners and make the cuts, assuming Carroll doesn't have as much speed as CC, but I'm not sure, CC didn't look as fast as advertised.

[sendero]

SLC could very well contain our run, hell, they did it against J Lane last year! But our running style this year is completely different. We have a runner with so much speed it is unreal. But, as I said last year, SLC had the best front 7 that we played all season. I just am confident that Turner will be able to hit the corners and make the cuts, assuming Carroll doesn't have as much speed as CC, but I'm not sure, CC didn't look as fast as advertised.

Is Claybon a Senior?

[my3sons]

Expect a good game but understand the SLC defense will get more stops than the Lufkin defense. It will be just like last year. SLC will start quick and Lufkin will get some momentum but it will not be enough. SLC defeats Lufkin 42-21. Look at what the defense has done in the playoffs. Through 4 games SLC has given up a total of 20 points. Offensively SLC has scored 126 The backup QB isn't that big a thing. Not much difference between the two QBs. Good luck Lufkin, but SLC has too much.

[PurpleNation]

Claybon is just a Jr. And if people come in thinking Thomas can't play QB will be in for suprise. Ralp was always the better Qb growing up but when the first entered HS they Changed Thomas to a WR becuase he lacked the height that Claybon had. But as of right now there is no question that Lufkin wished Claybon was out there calling signals. But I think we will do fine on offense it is the question if out defense can stop SLC.

[pack0808]

I've said all year I though SLC was more beatable than the last few years. I thought Lview or LP could beat them. Now LP has a shot and their QB goes down. I will be there rooting for LP but I'm not sure they can do it. I just don't see how a guy who hasn't played qb alll year or taken many snaps can step in and throw well better yet run a offense for 4 qtrs. I will be pulling for the Panthers to pull off the upset though. The panther D needs to play shut down defense for them to have a chance.


You are dead on reclisle. Lufkin must pass and they have to play their style of game. SLC is very stout vs the run and Lufkin has a great set of wr's. Losing Thomas at wr hurts. Thomas will have to throw the ball and Lufkin will have to use their biggest strength (passing game) to win this one. If not SLC will stack up vs the run. The D has to play like it is capable for 4 quarters vs a great team. Not 1 half but 4 quarters. Remember, SLC is just a hs team and they could have easily lost a few games just like everybody else. Let's not act like they are an NFL team with super div1a athletes all over the field like nobody else. Lufkin always destroys them in terms of div1a athletes but lost both games at the very end. SLC is one of the greatest HS dynasty's i have ever seen but let's keep it in perspective. They are very beatable. They have 16-18 year olds like everybody else.

[my3sons]

You are dead on reclisle. Lufkin must pass and they have to play their style of game. SLC is very stout vs the run and Lufkin has a great set of wr's. Losing Thomas at wr hurts. Thomas will have to throw the ball and Lufkin will have to use their biggest strength (passing game) to win this one. If not SLC will stack up vs the run. The D has to play like it is capable for 4 quarters vs a great team. Not 1 half but 4 quarters. Remember, SLC is just a hs team and they could have easily lost a few games just like everybody else. Let's not act like they are an NFL team with super div1a athletes all over the field like nobody else. Lufkin always destroys them in terms of div1a athletes but lost both games at the very end. SLC is one of the greatest HS dynasty's i have ever seen but let's keep it in perspective. They are very beatable. They have 16-18 year olds like everybody else.

No disrespect intended, but SLC was tested by Grapevine (neighborhood rival) and have blown everyone else out except Plano. Check the stats on the Plano game. SLC had nearly 600 yards total offense. Plano not even 300. Those 2 games are it. They have been one of the most dominating teams of record. You are right though, they are just 16-17 year olds and any team can beat any team. SLC has proven to be a difficult opponent to defend as well as score upon. SLC has one weakness: the kicking game has caused some concern. A tight game like SV last year could be a problem for them.

[Packattack94]

Regarding SLC weakness
Due to my sorry link to the SLC/Plano, seemed SLC gained most of their yards by the short 5-8 yard pass.
Some one also said about the match-up with Hewitt. LP has used a new look on the defense to let Hewitt just play the ball in the air. In MY OPINION,SLC will have to worry about throwing interceptions and stopping our pass rush.

[pack0808]

No disrespect intended, but SLC was tested by Grapevine (neighborhood rival) and have blown everyone else out except Plano. Check the stats on the Plano game. SLC had nearly 600 yards total offense. Plano not even 300. Those 2 games are it. They have been one of the most dominating teams of record. You are right though, they are just 16-17 year olds and any team can beat any team. SLC has proven to be a difficult opponent to defend as well as score upon. SLC has one weakness: the kicking game has caused some concern. A tight game like SV last year could be a problem for them.


No disrespect to you either but Lufkin has blown out 95 percent of their competition also. Go back the last 5 years and look at SLC and Lufkin's record. Not a big difference. And i have seen Lufkin play SLC twice and SLC needed a minor miracle to win in 2002 (Most SLC fan's will admit that) and the other won Lufkin amazingly came close to pulling it out. Both games were tied 30-30 with less then 2 minutes to play. Do not come at a Lufkin fan that has seen SLC twice like this you should know better?? OH, the qb injury was very BIG. Claybon is the real dea and the back up qb is a starting wr that has had only 5 snaps before the last game. Wake up!!

[pack98]

Well, Well,Well, This game is a great matchup it is like TEXAS and USC. the TOP DOg trying to go after the TOP Dog. .

SLC runs a great O and a great D. Lufkin has shut down it's last 2 opponents that ran the ball CC had 12 yards in the 1st half against a good RB and a Good O-line. CC running back is better than NEwton i am sure of that and faster. the Lufkin D will stop the Run from SLC but the thing is can our DB's step up and Stop the Pass. Well MR. Hewitt has his side on lock down not worried about him but can the others step up and play a perfect game stop leavign the TE open and get confused? if they do then it will be a long day for SLC. we take away there Pass they will not beat us using the RUN..

2. Lufkin can run and pass we have done great so far in the playoff's running we have 2 RB that are like thunder and lighting. kibble is the power runner with speed, but turner is small but man he can FLY he touched the ball anything can happen. and we lost claybon at QB we loose the abality to read D's that is it. he can throw. threw a 48 yarder against CC so that is proven. he is faster than claybon. but can he read the diffrient types of D that SLC will throw at us???? does SLC have the DB's this year that can Stop DEZ,raines,Gordon and E.J.?? if Lufkin can play like they did against CC in the 1st half the whole game agsint SLC then the Panthers will win. that frist half against CC was the best half i have seen the pack play all year they came out with a mission and they played one heck of a 1st half but we got to play that way against SLC. if we do then Lufkin will win this game i am going lufkin +10 this game. I said Lufkin +7 last week, so maybe this week i can get it right.

This is going to be a great game 3rd time is the sharm for the Pack. we want to be the Best well we have the best in our back yard (SFA) can we beat them. we shall find out Saturday afternoon.

GO PANTHERS

[my3sons]

I too saw both games between SLC and Lufkin. You are right, SLC came back in 02 and pulled off a miracle after being down by 2 TDs. In 04 Lufkin also came back and tied the game, but couldn't pull the victory out. Bottom line: 2 wins for SLC and 2 state titles. I have always felt the winner of the SLC-Lufkin semifinal was the eventual state champ. I think that will be the case as well. One thing: this year's SLC defense is the best its been over their 4-year 5A run. I don't believe this is Lufkin's best offense during the same like time frame. The QB situation for Lufkin is a manageable one. The backup is a great athlete who will do the job (this is coming directly from Lufkin fans). I haven't seen this year's team play. I look forward to seeing this game, that is if all 13 seats allotted for SLC haven't already been sold out.

[pack98]

oh that is another key. to a lufkin win. SLC has not seen a pass rush like they will see saturday the pack is going to rush and rush and put pressure on him. CC found that out and so did the SG QB they can get after the rusher. the last time SLC faced Speed like the panthers will have well the last time they played the Panthers. I would like to know a team that is faster than the Panthers...


GO PANTHERS

WE ARE IN ONE HECK OF A GAME AGAINST THE TOP DOG.

[pack0808]

I too saw both games between SLC and Lufkin. You are right, SLC came back in 02 and pulled off a miracle after being down by 2 TDs. In 04 Lufkin also came back and tied the game, but couldn't pull the victory out. Bottom line: 2 wins for SLC and 2 state titles. I have always felt the winner of the SLC-Lufkin semifinal was the eventual state champ. I think that will be the case as well. One thing: this year's SLC defense is the best its been over their 4-year 5A run. I don't believe this is Lufkin's best offense during the same like time frame. The QB situation for Lufkin is a manageable one. The backup is a great athlete who will do the job (this is coming directly from Lufkin fans). I haven't seen this year's team play. I look forward to seeing this game, that is if all 13 seats allotted for SLC haven't already been sold out.


I disagree. This LP offense is just as good as the 2002 and especially the 2004 defense with Claybon. And i emphasize WITH Claybon. This LP defense is better then 2002 and 2004 defense by far.

[pack98]

we will be fine having Thomas play QB he can get the job done and if we get beat. I dont want to hear any one from lufkin saying this was the factor. in 98 we lost B. Bradford in the georgetown game and we had to stary C. hadnot against Lake highands. we lost 17-14 in the quarerfinals against them and we never, never said if we would have brian we would have won that game we played as a team and brian got hurt we plugged in cory and went on and we lost to a good team in the final seconds that is life. having claybon would help the pack a bunch but not going to be the reason if we loose the game. if we get beat it will be because we just played a great team and we tried our best.

GO PANTHERS

[my3sons]

I disagree. This LP offense is just as good as the 2002 and especially the 2004 defense with Claybon. And i emphasize WITH Claybon. This LP defense is better then 2002 and 2004 defense by far.

Well Pack0808, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. You know your team better than I and I know mine better as well. Maybe that is why they play the game on the field and the results will speak for itself. One thing I will say, I love playing against Lufkin. The game is certainly one of the most entertaining of the year. Good luck. See you Sat.

[pack0808]

we will be fine having Thomas play QB he can get the job done and if we get beat. I dont want to hear any one from lufkin saying this was the factor. in 98 we lost B. Bradford in the georgetown game and we had to stary C. hadnot against Lake highands. we lost 17-14 in the quarerfinals against them and we never, never said if we would have brian we would have won that game we played as a team and brian got hurt we plugged in cory and went on and we lost to a good team in the final seconds that is life. having claybon would help the pack a bunch but not going to be the reason if we loose the game. if we get beat it will be because we just played a great team and we tried our best.

GO PANTHERS


If i have to hear about the 98 team one more time i am going to hurl. ;) ;) Yeah it makes no difference at all. This would be like Reggie getting injured before the state semis vs Euless Trinity come on man?? Claybon destroyed Reggie's record in 3 less games. Yeah it does matter. I guess it would not have mattered if Manning got hurt for the Colt's or if Aikman got hurt and could not play in the Super Bowl's for the Cowboys. Come on dude!! It makes a difference. That is silly. I still think Thomas can step up and Lufkin can win. I am a huge Steeler's fan also. And believe me when they do not have Rothlesberger they are a completely different team. It matters but the Lufkin team has character and can possibly overcome this??

[pack98]

It matteres but not like most people are making it out to be. if the O-line blocks like they can it will not matter who plays QB we will just run the ball.


oh and you can go hurl we have 4 people out of that 98 team in the NFL. so i think we can talk about them. just saying we lost our QB and we started another one and we played just fine just came up short. yes calybone broke Reggie passing record. but hey reggie ran the ball much better than claybon and i promise had more rushing TD than him. that was Reggies key to playing QB not the Pass. if you take a look at that team that won state reggie rushed for more TD than passing and had more yard rushing....

[pack98]

one more thing you cant' compare NFL players to Highschool QB's that is not even the same type of thing. but if you want to i remember D. bledsoe gettign hurt and a guy named t. Brady came in. oh and i think that t. green got hurt to and a guy named k. warner came in. Yes it happend..

[pack0808]

I know know ( believe me) all about the NFL players from the 98 team you have told us 100 million times at least. ;) Claybon has just started to scramble and he is very very good at it. I watched all the Reggie games in 2001 and all of the 2005 games with Claybon and he is just as good without all of the crazy hype. Claybon is more accurate on the short pass then Reggie was in hs. Reggie was a phenom and had better speed but Claybon is the real deal. Claybon still runs a 4.5 and is very mobile.

[pack0808]

one more thing you cant' compare NFL players to Highschool QB's that is not even the same type of thing. but if you want to i remember D. bledsoe gettign hurt and a guy named t. Brady came in. oh and i think that t. green got hurt to and a guy named k. warner came in. Yes it happend..


Ok i will name only hs qb's. Reggie in 2001 Vince in 2001 Chase Daniel in 2004 etc etc etc If those guys would have went down it would have made a huge difference.

[pack98]

i agree claybon is good.

with claybon you have the Experince of playing QB and having the chance to read D's all year. that is the big thing i see.

Speed wise it is the same thomas may be faster. not sure about height. the thing i see can Thomas read the D's and make the good throw's? i think that this week against our D he will see lots of things and he will have to have his brain open because tons of stuff is about to come on his shoulder can he take that pressure and win this game. YES HE CAN..... the Lufkin D will have to help out this week and give us good field position and we shall do just fine

[pack98]

I agree with reggie we would have been in trouble. Vince was set up great great qb best in highschool but not on a very good team and well they way SLC has played this year with out chase daniels i dont think it would have mattred with them look at what his back up is doing this year!!

[dragonfootballfan]

I agree with reggie we would have been in trouble. Vince was set up great great qb best in highschool but not on a very good team and well they way SLC has played this year with out chase daniels i dont think it would have mattred with them look at what his back up is doing this year!!
If you saw McElroy's first few games this year you would know that he was not ready to take over for Daniel.

[WildcatFan]

This is not meant to be trash but Lufkin you are kind of behind the 8-Ball so to speak.

First SLC plays near perfect football which you already knew.

Second your QB situation does not look good.

The biggest thing to remember about winning State Titles, the team with the fewst amount of injuries wins.

I think this is your achilies this week.

Good Luck anyways.

[pack0808]

i agree claybon is good.

with claybon you have the Experince of playing QB and having the chance to read D's all year. that is the big thing i see.

Speed wise it is the same thomas may be faster. not sure about height. the thing i see can Thomas read the D's and make the good throw's? i think that this week against our D he will see lots of things and he will have to have his brain open because tons of stuff is about to come on his shoulder can he take that pressure and win this game. YES HE CAN..... the Lufkin D will have to help out this week and give us good field position and we shall do just fine


Claybon is 6'1 Ralph is 5'9?? Also, Claybon is very good at finding the 2nd and 3rd wr and Ralph runs right away if the #1 option is not open. Maybe they will talk to him about it this week and they will work on it. This is just what i have seen.

[pack98]

i heard that he was having some trouble. and him and Dodge son played together. what is doge son doing is he playing or just the backup.

I just dont want anyone to say if we loose this game it is because of not having claybon because i think that is what most people will say well we did not have our QB for this game i dont want to hear that i want to hear that we lost as a team no one person can win the game. sure having that person can help you but with out the blocking from the O the kicking the little things that go on in a game. IT IS A TEAM THING NO ONE IS BIGGER THAN THE TEAM. you can replace people every year and start from scratch and still win the reason behind that is that IT TAKES A TEAM TO WIN and no matter who playes QB for the panthers this week it will take a team effort to win this game.

GO PANTHERS

[pack0808]

This is not meant ot be trash but Lufkin you are kind of behind the 8-Ball so to speak.

First SLC plays near perfect football which you already knew.

Second your QB situation does not look good.

The biggest thing to remember about winning State Titles, the team with the fewst amount of injuries wins.

I think this is your achilies this week.

Good Luck anyways.


You might be right i do not know?? The qb situation hurts no doubt. But behind the 8 ball?? Lufkin was playing SLC in 2002 in the state semis blowing a huge lead while Plano was 0-10 that same year and Lufkin played SLC last year in the state semis losing 37-30 while Plano was 5-5 at home correct?? Come on bro? ;) Lufkin knows what SLC is all about trust me.

[pack98]

that is the truth they will have to make sure he checks down and reads the D that is the big factor. what about our JV qb dont know anything about him can he play?or would he be ready to step in and play in a big game like this.

[pack0808]

that is the truth they will have to make sure he checks down and reads the D that is the big factor. what about our JV qb dont know anything about him can he play?or would he be ready to step in and play in a big game like this.


I almost want Davis to play and let Thomas play wr because he is perfect for it.. Nobles started for the JV (more of a pocket passer) but broke his hand and he is done. Thomas is supposed to be very good though and has had more snaps at qb then Thomas this year i believe??

[pack98]

dang talk about bad luck for qb's for lufkin this season.

i got to go watch the charger game. be back tomorrow.


but no matter who plays Qb for the Pack i still see the PURPLE NATION COMING OUT ON TOP!!!!!!!!!!

GO PANTHERS

pack +7


GO PANTHERS

[taco_bockley]

i know one thing there should not be a single panther fan sitting down the whole game because i am not. it makes me so mad when our defense want's us to stand up and back them up and I stand and look around the majority of our fans are sitting down.


MAKE SOME NOISE
MAKE SOME NOISE
MAKE SOME MUTHERF...... NOISE

[WildcatFan]

My synopsys of the Plano-SLC game.

First hats off to the Dagons and Widcats.

Carroll has always imprssed me on O, but the two things that stand out for me yesterday was.

1. Tre' Newton running the ball!
2. Defensive adjustemnts made at half and keying in on Sfikas.

I thought Newton did a great job of running the ball and after the Midland game and how Plano was able to stop Batch I thought Tre' didn't stand a chance. I think is was less about him being a power runner and more about good seams for him to run. He was very effective and converetd for at least a handful of 1st downs.

Carroll did a great job of shutting down our O in the second, the Dragon D slanted more whuch our guard clearly could not handle. They also had great backside persuit and kept Sfikas from running on them all day. This was evident on a Sfikas run for 9 yds where he was horse collard a yard short which brought up 4th down. I only saw one maybe two Sfikas runs all day. that hurt us considering how effective Mark was in the Midland game.

I think Plano did a good job of clock control and remember they were only down by 3 late into the 3rd. The game was in reach until the 4th its just we could not convert do to great Defense by the dragons.

How all this factors into the Lufkin game I don't know as it seems that both of you run similiar styles of play.

My guess is this will be a wide open spread game and SLC has the edge due to injuries on the Lufkin side particularly at QB.

[Lufkin_Class_Of_08]

Well, Well,Well, This game is a great matchup it is like TEXAS and USC.
Lufkin=texas:god bless them both:D ;)
SLC=USC: both have a long winning streak

[nate]

I don't think the run will be what does in the Dragons..Plano was unable to move the ball in the second half, as has been the case with all running teams this year.

I disagree. The problem was that Plano did nothing different with their running game when SLC adjusted to the option and pitch sweep. Had they worked in a counter, off-tackle or straight up HB dive into the mix, I think they would have been able to keep running all game long.

It would also help if Plano had 1-2 more viable targets on every passing play. Being at the game, you could see that Plano's QB checked 2 options and then either tucked and ran or threw the ball away. A better passing team with the same rushing attack would have continued to score on the Dragon defense for 4 quarters.

[WildcatFan]

You might be right i do not know?? The qb situation hurts no doubt. But behind the 8 ball?? Lufkin was playing SLC in 2002 in the state semis blowing a huge lead while Plano was 0-10 that same year and Lufkin played SLC last year in the state semis losing 37-30 while Plano was 5-5 at home correct?? Come on bro? ;) Lufkin knows what SLC is all about trust me.

Well it appears you a bit emotional, as I do not see how Plano's record the past two years plays into my comment.

I could easily say that because Plano has won 7 State and Lufkin has won how many? Gives me a slight advantage over your 0-10 and 5-5 comment so don't even get me started on that line of irrational thought.

I am mearly making a point SLC is playing near perfect football and you don't have your starting QB I would say you are behind the 8-ball this year.

If you want to keep worrying about Plano's past record fine won't help you this week.

[pack0808]

Well it appears you a bit emotional, as I do not see how Plano's record the past two years plays into my comment.

I could easily say that because Plano has won 7 State and Lufkin has won how many? Gives me a slight advantage over your 0-10 and 5-5 comment so don't even get me started on that line of irrational thought.

I am mearly making a point SLC is playing near perfect football and you don't have your starting QB I would say you are behind the 8-ball this year.

If you want to keep worrying about Plano's past record fine won't help you this week.


A bit emotional? Oh yes!! i am drilling my keyboard with my fist's as we speak. :rolleyes: Lufkin is great in today's football not double digit years ago, but either way egads on 70's and the 80's. I am sure yall were the crap when the Eagles and Duran Duran was poplular. Is that how you spell Duran?? ;)

[dragonsfan]

I could have sworn the original poster said No Trash, X's and O's, in other words, Just the facts. That is the main problem with these boards: blowhards on both sides being homers.
Here is the difficulty:
Due to location and a lack of common opponents these teams are very difficult to compare. Believe me, I would compare them if I could. Due to my location in the Metroplex and the number of three school ISD's sharing a single stadium, I usually see two games per week in the regular season and three or four in the play offs. Just three this week: Celina/Crawford, SLC/Plano and Marshall/PC.
Even comparing statistics is difficult due to the lack of coverage of the two by common newspapers.
Having said that, I would invite any of you to go to the Dallas Morning News Highschool Football Leaderboard site

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/highschools/leaderboard/

and look at the Best Offense, Best Defense for 5A teams in the Dallas area, which of course doesn't include Lufkin, except for partial information. There you will find that SLC has been the number one offense for the three years, 2003-2005, but not the best overall defense in any year. This is based solely on yards gained and allowed, and one can question whether that is the true benchmark for the best of anything as it leaves out take aways, first downs per game and touchdowns made per possession and a host of other factors.

The DMN Leaderboard will also show that the number of yards per game that SLC is putting up is greater than 2003 or 2004 and it is allowing fewer yards as well.

SLC Offense:
2003 451.9 yds per game
2004 506.1 yds per game
2005 520.8 yds per game
SLC Defense:
2003 305.7 yds per game
2004 291.8 yds per game
2005 248.8 yds per game

The problem: I have no source to compare all that information for Lufkin. The Houston Chronicle has some info but it is incomplete for this year and last year, and Lufkin was in the "north end" of Region 2 in 2003:

Lufkin Offense:
2004 376.5 yds per game
2005 through 11 games:
357.5 yds per game
Lufkin Defense:
2004 through 13 games:
270.4 yds per game
2005 through 10 games:
188.2 yds per game

You can get some information for 2005 at the Lufkin Daily News site:

http://www.lufkindailynews.com/news/stats/football/

but it isn't clear if that is for regular season and playoffs.

For instance, from the Daily News website, the 2005 passing effort for Lufkin:
Complete 148 Attempt 254 Yards 2639 TDs 25
Jeremy Claybon Complete 136 Attempt 228 Yds 2448 Int 8 TDs 23
The 2005 rushing effort for Lufkin:
Rushes 473 Yards 2581 TDs 29

In comparison in 2005 SLC has a passing effort of:
4507 yards total (of which McElroy has 3999 yds and 49 TDs with passes complete 270 attempted 398 intercepted 9)
and rushing total of 2784 but no clear break down on the rushing yds and TDs unless I go back through the individual games, which I am not going to do!

So why doesn't someone with all that information share it?

What do I take from the information I have:
SLC has a dominating pass offense and, apparently, as good a rushing offense as Lufkin and a damn good defense.
Lufkin wins games with a simply fair pass offense and great rushers and a damn good defense, but just lost its QB and will take one of its better wide recievers (Ralph Thomas) out of action to play QB next week. SLC averages 160 yds per game more than Lufkin on O and gives up 60 yds more on D. Net advantage by 100 yds to SLC. Who wins? Beats the hell out of me. Show up on Saturday and find out.

By the way, the Lufkin depth chart shows Carldelro King as your backup QB, what's with his not stepping in? Wait till you see our backup, Riley Dodge.

[pack0808]

I could have sworn the original poster said No Trash, X's and O's, in other words, Just the facts. That is the main problem with these boards: blowhards on both sides being homers.
Here is the difficulty:
Due to location and a lack of common opponents these teams are very difficult to compare. Believe me, I would compare them if I could. Due to my location in the Metroplex and the number of three school ISD's sharing a single stadium, I usually see two games per week in the regular season and three or four in the play offs. Just three this week: Celina/Crawford, SLC/Plano and Marshall/PC.
Even comparing statistics is difficult due to the lack of coverage of the two by common newspapers.
Having said that, I would invite any of you to go to the Dallas Morning News Highschool Football Leaderboard site

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/highschools/leaderboard/

and look at the Best Offense, Best Defense for 5A teams in the Dallas area, which of course doesn't include Lufkin, except for partial information. There you will find that SLC has been the number one offense for the three years, 2003-2005, but not the best overall defense in any year. This is based solely on yards gained and allowed, and one can question whether that is the true benchmark for the best of anything as it leaves out take aways, first downs per game and touchdowns made per possession and a host of other factors.

The DMN Leaderboard will also show that the number of yards per game that SLC is putting up is greater than 2003 or 2004 and it is allowing fewer yards as well.

SLC Offense:
2003 451.9 yds per game
2004 506.1 yds per game
2005 520.8 yds per game
SLC Defense:
2003 305.7 yds per game
2004 291.8 yds per game
2005 248.8 yds per game

The problem: I have no source to compare all that information for Lufkin. The Houston Chronicle has some info but it is incomplete for this year and last year, and Lufkin was in Region 2 in 2003:

Lufkin Offense:
2004 376.5 yds per game
2005 through 11 games:
357.5 yds per game
Lufkin Defense:
2004 through 13 games:
270.4 yds per game
2005 through 10 games:
188.2 yds per game

You can get some information for 2005 at the Lufkin Daily News site:

http://www.lufkindailynews.com/news/stats/football/

but it isn't clear if that is for regular season and playoffs.

For instance, from the Daily News website, the 2005 passing effort for Lufkin:
Complete 148 Attempt 254 Yards 2639 TDs 25
Jeremy Claybon Complete 136 Attempt 228 Yds 2448 Int 8 TDs 23
The 2005 rushing effort for Lufkin:
Rushes 473 Yards 2581 TDs 29

In comparison in 2005 SLC has a passing effort of:
4507 yards total (of which McElroy has 3999 yds and 49 TDs with passes complete 270 attempted 398 intercepted 9)
and rushing total of 2784 but no clear break down on the rushing yds and TDs unless I go back through the individual games, which I am not going to do!

So why doesn't someone with all that information share it?

What do I take from the information I have:
SLC has a dominating pass offense and, apparently, as good a rushing offense as Lufkin and a damn good defense.
Lufkin wins games with a simply fair pass offense and great rushers and a damn good defense, but just lost its QB to a compound fracture and will take one of its better wide recievers (Ralph Thomas) out of action to play QB next week. SLC averages 160 yds per game more than Lufkin on O and gives up 60 yds more on D. Net advantage by 100 yds to SLC. Who wins? Beats the hell out of me. Show up on Saturday and find out.

By the way, the Lufkin depth chart shows Carldelro King as your backup QB, what's with his not stepping in? Wait till you see our backup, Riley Dodge.


Trust me Lufkin is loaded at wr but does not pass near as often as SLC. Let's compare div1a athletes after this year want to?? Lufkin has had 11 div1a signee's in the last 2 years how about SLC?? Maybe 4?? Lufkin definitely has the advantage in the athlete category but that does not win games all of the time. SLC is one of the best hs TEAMS ever!! ( see 2002 and 2004) King was a very bad backup qb. ( no offense to him) but he was. LPfan nicknamed him Turnover King. We knew he would not be the backup if Claybon went down. I always said that Lufkin would be in big trouble if Claybon went down and this is a very bad time to do it. I have seen Lufkin play SLC in person twice and i know Lufkin is very very capable of beating them and yall should know that also. The qb situation is a problem but i hear Thomas was the starting qb in the early years before Claybon. I know Thomas is a big time athlete and a great wr. He is a stud baseball player also.

[my3sons]

I could have sworn the original poster said No Trash, X's and O's, in other words, Just the facts. That is the main problem with these boards: blowhards on both sides being homers.
Here is the difficulty:
Due to location and a lack of common opponents these teams are very difficult to compare. Believe me, I would compare them if I could. Due to my location in the Metroplex and the number of three school ISD's sharing a single stadium, I usually see two games per week in the regular season and three or four in the play offs. Just three this week: Celina/Crawford, SLC/Plano and Marshall/PC.
Even comparing statistics is difficult due to the lack of coverage of the two by common newspapers.
Having said that, I would invite any of you to go to the Dallas Morning News Highschool Football Leaderboard site

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/highschools/leaderboard/

and look at the Best Offense, Best Defense for 5A teams in the Dallas area, which of course doesn't include Lufkin, except for partial information. There you will find that SLC has been the number one offense for the three years, 2003-2005, but not the best overall defense in any year. This is based solely on yards gained and allowed, and one can question whether that is the true benchmark for the best of anything as it leaves out take aways, first downs per game and touchdowns made per possession and a host of other factors.

The DMN Leaderboard will also show that the number of yards per game that SLC is putting up is greater than 2003 or 2004 and it is allowing fewer yards as well.

SLC Offense:
2003 451.9 yds per game
2004 506.1 yds per game
2005 520.8 yds per game
SLC Defense:
2003 305.7 yds per game
2004 291.8 yds per game
2005 248.8 yds per game

The problem: I have no source to compare all that information for Lufkin. The Houston Chronicle has some info but it is incomplete for this year and last year, and Lufkin was in Region 2 in 2003:

Lufkin Offense:
2004 376.5 yds per game
2005 through 11 games:
357.5 yds per game
Lufkin Defense:
2004 through 13 games:
270.4 yds per game
2005 through 10 games:
188.2 yds per game

You can get some information for 2005 at the Lufkin Daily News site:

http://www.lufkindailynews.com/news/stats/football/

but it isn't clear if that is for regular season and playoffs.

For instance, from the Daily News website, the 2005 passing effort for Lufkin:
Complete 148 Attempt 254 Yards 2639 TDs 25
Jeremy Claybon Complete 136 Attempt 228 Yds 2448 Int 8 TDs 23
The 2005 rushing effort for Lufkin:
Rushes 473 Yards 2581 TDs 29

In comparison in 2005 SLC has a passing effort of:
4507 yards total (of which McElroy has 3999 yds and 49 TDs with passes complete 270 attempted 398 intercepted 9)
and rushing total of 2784 but no clear break down on the rushing yds and TDs unless I go back through the individual games, which I am not going to do!

So why doesn't someone with all that information share it?

What do I take from the information I have:
SLC has a dominating pass offense and, apparently, as good a rushing offense as Lufkin and a damn good defense.
Lufkin wins games with a simply fair pass offense and great rushers and a damn good defense, but just lost its QB to a compound fracture and will take one of its better wide recievers (Ralph Thomas) out of action to play QB next week. SLC averages 160 yds per game more than Lufkin on O and gives up 60 yds more on D. Net advantage by 100 yds to SLC. Who wins? Beats the hell out of me. Show up on Saturday and find out.

By the way, the Lufkin depth chart shows Carldelro King as your backup QB, what's with his not stepping in? Wait till you see our backup, Riley Dodge.

Nice post Dragonfan. Pack0808 is bound and determined that everyone see it his way. I am looking forward to this game more than ever. Pack0808: I recognize that you may have seen the 02 and 04 game, however, I am telling you that this SLC defense is different from the other 2. All I have been saying is: Lufkin's QB is out. LP's offense has struggled at times. The offense is not their strength. If SLC's defense stops the LP offense just half the time that means LP's defense is going to have to do the same thing against arguably the state's best offense. If LP's offense turns it over, which is likely due to a new QB, the situation could deteriorate quickly.

[pack0808]

Nice post Dragonfan. Pack0808 is bound and determined that everyone see it his way. I am looking forward to this game more than ever. Pack0808: I recognize that you may have seen the 02 and 04 game, however, I am telling you that this SLC defense is different from the other 2. All I have been saying is: Lufkin's QB is out. LP's offense has struggled at times. The offense is not their strength. If SLC's defense stops the LP offense just half the time that means LP's defense is going to have to do the same thing against arguably the state's best offense. If LP's offense turns it over, which is likely due to a new QB, the situation could deteriorate quickly.


Yeah and i am the only one that is seeing it from a homer perspective. :rolleyes: Did you forget the SLC in the 4a years or SLC in 2003?? Does Ennis 2001 ring a bell?? Does Katy 2003 ring a bell?? Lufkin beat that same Katy team on ET soil 35-14!! SLC has 16-18 year olds like everybody else and Lufkin usually doubles them in div1a athletes. Lufkin is 64-7 in the last 5 years and i know SLC has a slightly better record in that time and they have earned those championships. Your team is unbelievable!! :eek: But quit acting like your talking to some bum team with no chance. That is what irritates me. I know Lufkin is hurting without their star qb but do you really think a very proud Lufkin team (5a power) is going to roll over and die because of it??

[pack4life]

I almost want Davis to play and let Thomas play wr because he is perfect for it.. Nobles started for the JV (more of a pocket passer) but broke his hand and he is done. Thomas is supposed to be very good though and has had more snaps at qb then Thomas this year i believe??


Davis is a good QB, but only a sophemore, so it would be pretty crazy to throw him into the mix (first varsity start being against SLC).

[my3sons]

My comments have always been respectful of Lufkin's tradition and the season they are having. Just look at any of my posts. Lufkin's record the past 5 years is exceptional (64-7). SLC's record the past 4 years is 61-1. Not too shabby either. 14-0 says it all. When both teams enter at 14-0 how in the world could anyone call them a bum team ( your comment, not mine)? To be playing on Dec 10 is a compliment. Texas HS football doesn't reward bum teams. You have to doing something right to get this far.

[PowerPack'd]

it'll be interesting to see what the dragons do regarding Hewitt. And who Hewitt will be on? Probably either Fentriss or Renfro since they both play the far outside receivers, sometimes presley rotates in there. Will the dragon just go at him, or will they spread the wealth elsewhere?
I thought Renfro was out with a collarbone injury? I heard something about someone (I thought Renfro) on the post game vs. Plano.

[pack0808]

My comments have always been respectful of Lufkin's tradition and the season they are having. Just look at any of my posts. Lufkin's record the past 5 years is exceptional (64-7). SLC's record the past 4 years is 61-1. Not too shabby either. 14-0 says it all. When both teams enter at 14-0 how in the world could anyone call them a bum team ( your comment, not mine)? To be playing on Dec 10 is a compliment. Texas HS football doesn't reward bum teams. You have to doing something right to get this far.


Very true statement. But i know SLC lost at least 4 games in 2001 correct?? That is why i said they are very close to each other in the last 5 years. Hey powerpacked i said i almost would want to put Davis as the starter so Thomas could play wr. I actually think Nobles would be the perfect guy but he is hurt too.

[PowerPack'd]

we will be fine having Thomas play QB he can get the job done and if we get beat. I dont want to hear any one from lufkin saying this was the factor. in 98 we lost B. Bradford in the georgetown game and we had to stary C. hadnot against Lake highands. we lost 17-14 in the quarerfinals against them and we never, never said if we would have brian we would have won that game we played as a team and brian got hurt we plugged in cory and went on and we lost to a good team in the final seconds that is life. having claybon would help the pack a bunch but not going to be the reason if we loose the game. if we get beat it will be because we just played a great team and we tried our best.

GO PANTHERS
Well said. I agree 100%.

[my3sons]

Another thing Pack0808, Lufkin's doubling of Div1A athletes over SLC means what? Do they get another championship for that? Does individual awards mean state titles? In my book it doesn't. I don't remember any state titles for Lufkin except in 2001 when they beat WESTlake (not SOUTHlake). I recognize great talent exists at Lufkin, but this is still a team game. SLC has won 5 state titles in different classifications and 2 in 5A the past 3 years. Give it a break. And yes, we remember Katy. If it weren't for Katy we'd have another state title and would be 62-0 in 5A over a 4 year period.

[pack0808]

Another thing Pack0808, Lufkin's doubling of Div1A athletes over SLC means what? Do they get another championship for that? Does individual awards mean state titles? In my book it doesn't. I don't remember any state titles for Lufkin except in 2001 when they beat WESTlake (not SOUTHlake). I recognize great talent exists at Lufkin, but this is still a team game. SLC has won 5 state titles in different classifications and 2 in 5A the past 3 years. Give it a break. And yes, we remember Katy. If it weren't for Katy we'd have another state title and would be 62-0 in 5A over a 4 year period.


It is just the fact's on the talent part. I know SLC would have hammered Lufkin after getting hammered by Ennis 100-10 in the 4a playoffs i apologize LOL Or when SLC was a 3a God?? :rolleyes: I stated clearly that it did not play a part but it is the fact's. Lufkin has doubled SLC in div1a athletes in the past 2 years so what it did not help them. SLC has beaten Lufkin head to head in 2 very close games and that is the fact's also. I am sorry if some of the fact's bother you but they are just fact's. Oh and Lufkin played that Katy team.

[PowerPack'd]

that is the truth they will have to make sure he checks down and reads the D that is the big factor. what about our JV qb dont know anything about him can he play?or would he be ready to step in and play in a big game like this.
I don't know anything about him, but this is my guess. Can he play...yes. If he couldn't he would not have been brought up. Is he ready to jump in and take over in a game like this...I don't think there is any way he could be ready for that.

As far as Ralph Thomas reading the defenses, wouldn't he be doing that to some degree as a receiver? Granted it is a different perspective as a qb, but not totally new. Am I correct or grasping at straws?

[dragonsfan]

. Surely, Pack0808 you can give us some objective statistics that one could use to say that The Pack Attack will prevail. Believe me, I know they may win, but could you supply a little more info and a little less air.

[my3sons]

It is just the fact's on the talent part. I know SLC would have hammered Lufkin after getting hammered by Ennis 100-10 in the 4a playoffs i apologize LOL Or when SLC was a 3a God?? :rolleyes: I stated clearly that it did not play a part but it is the fact's. Lufkin has doubled SLC in div1a athletes in the past 2 years so what it did not help them. SLC has beaten Lufkin head to head in 2 very close games and that is the fact's also. I am sorry if some of the fact's bother you but they are just fact's. Oh and Lufkin played that Katy team.

Yes, you played Katy, but it wasn't in the playoffs and it especially wasn't in the State Championship game.

[dragonsdaddy]

this game stacks up to be a true test of the best that both teams have to offer. the lp d has been nothing short of immovable. they have been able to have fully 1/3 of the opposing teams plays for losses. the slc offense will have its hands full, with or without renfro. i expect a fairly low scoring game as these two titans pound on each other.

the slc defense is positioned very well for a shutdown game, esp considering the lp offense will be handcuffed. the bu qb may in fact be very capable, but if he was more valuable as a wr(per outlaw playing him there all year) it can't help having 2 bu's playing at the same time. i expect his ability to read defenses will be tested from the get-go. blitzes will be the norm, and will be tough for a qb with 25 plays under his belt to thrive.

no one will be taking this game for granted, and we have to fix the fg and xp problems. i hope our punting is equally successful as last week-0-0. this game will be why we all love this sport. it will be the best bang for your entertainment dollar as their is.

[littlefatman]

Did anyone see how many plays SCL had against plano 90 unreal. I ahve been coaching for 25 years I have never seen a team have 90 offensive plays in one game. SCL will beat lufkin in nacogdoches bad real bad. It will not be close especially without the number one QB. Really hope he is not hurt to bad. I always want the best players playing in the big games and he is really good looks alot like marcus Vick. Lsft handed and all he flick theballs really well and he can run also. Should be a close game for a while but SCL has more than they ever have. In the end it will be a 21 point game.

[my3sons]

42-21 SLC over LP:)

[pack0808]

Pack0808 is a homer, he can't help it. He will never rise above it. He will be a homer no matter who wins next week, just like he was a homer last year on this board, when The Pack lost. The unfortunate part of that is he adds nothing to these board posts except hot air. This is a great board generally, may hat's off to KT2000 for his work here. This isn't a discussion about "bum teams", it is supposed to be an opportunity for adults, even young adults, to discuss football. No bum teams are playing two weeks after Thanksgiving, just great teams. So how do those great teams compare? Just a few facts would make such a difference. Surely, Pack0808 you can give us some objective statistics that one could use to say that The Pack Attack will prevail. Believe me, I know they may win, but could you supply a little more info and a little less air. Otherwise, find a board that isn't about facts and spew your air there.


Oh yawn scout teamer. I am actually a good friend of kt2000 on the net. (met him last game) Like your not a homer? I am a homer just like 99 percent of all of us. What do you want me to say? I said SLC is a great team and is a unbelievable dynasty and deserves all of the respect in the world. What do you want from me tool?? Do you want me to slobber on your SLC knobs?? I mean come on? I am sorry i have seen SLC twice and i know Lufkin had a great great shot at winning in both!! What do you want me to do?? Do you want me to say Lufkin sucks and have no chance aganst the NFL SLC dragons?? God grab a clue you idiot. I am a HOF here and been here since 2001 so please do not tell me to go elsewhere scoutboy. I am friends with most SLC fans in here and i always give them their respect. Ask them, I know all of the respectable ones. Of course i am going to argue for my team this week come on my friend grab a brain cell. :rolleyes:

[dragonsfan]

Did anyone see how many plays SCL had against plano 90 unreal. I ahve been coaching for 25 years I have never seen a team have 90 offensive plays in one game. SCL will beat lufkin in nacogdoches bad real bad. It will not be close especially without the number one QB. Really hope he is not hurt to bad. I always want the best players playing in the big games and he is really good looks alot like marcus Vick. Lsft handed and all he flick theballs really well and he can run also. Should be a close game for a while but SCL has more than they ever have. In the end it will be a 21 point game.

We won't be seeing anything of Claybon but a sideline appearance in jeans and a jacket. It is a terrible tragedy for him, a great kid and a great athlete.

[dragonsfan]

Oh yawn scout teamer. I am actually a good friend of kt2000 on the net. (met him last game) Like your not a homer? I am a homer just like 99 percent of all of us. What do you want me to say? I said SLC is a great team and is a unbelievable dynasty and deserves all of the respect in the world. What do you want from me tool?? Do you want me to slobber on your SLC knobs?? I mean come on? I am sorry i have seen SLC twice and i know Lufkin had a great great shot at winning in both!! What do you want me to do?? Do you want me to say Lufkin sucks and have no chance aganst the NFL SLC dragons?? God grab a clue you idiot. I am a HOF here and been here since 2001 so please do not tell me to go elsewhere scoutboy. I am friends with most SLC fans in here and i always give them their respect. Ask them, I know all of the respectable ones. Of course i am going to argue for my team this week come on my friend grab a brain cell. :rolleyes:
Thanks

[pack0808]

Did anyone see how many plays SCL had against plano 90 unreal. I ahve been coaching for 25 years I have never seen a team have 90 offensive plays in one game. SCL will beat lufkin in nacogdoches bad real bad. It will not be close especially without the number one QB. Really hope he is not hurt to bad. I always want the best players playing in the big games and he is really good looks alot like marcus Vick. Lsft handed and all he flick theballs really well and he can run also. Should be a close game for a while but SCL has more than they ever have. In the end it will be a 21 point game.


And everybody was laughing at us when we called him little mike vick?? He is the real deal. It is too bad he is gone but that is the fact's. At least he is a junior. D-daddy ty for your great analysis. I am sorry i cannot act more like that. Hey, maybe we can meet and say hi at halftime again?? Have a safe trip my friend. You know it is nothing personal when i am going at it with dragons fan's. It is just me i cannot help it. LOL

[PowerPack'd]

Did anyone see how many plays SCL had against plano 90 unreal. I ahve been coaching for 25 years I have never seen a team have 90 offensive plays in one game. SCL will beat lufkin in nacogdoches bad real bad. It will not be close especially without the number one QB. Really hope he is not hurt to bad. I always want the best players playing in the big games and he is really good looks alot like marcus Vick. Lsft handed and all he flick theballs really well and he can run also. Should be a close game for a while but SCL has more than they ever have. In the end it will be a 21 point game.
If you have been following these posts you would know that he is hurt bad. He broke both bones in his non-throwing arm.

I am not predicting this game. I think Lufkin will bring everything to the table. I think they have to with Thomas playing qb. But...why will "SCL...beat lufkin in nacogdoches bad real bad."? Nothing has changed on our defense. I still believe that Lufkin will make a great contest out of it, and who knows...maybe even spoil your expectations based on 25 years of coaching.

[pack0808]

Homer, how old are you?


I am 99 and i live in a Lufkin nursing home. I do not answer to a scout teamer. ;)

[dragonfootballfan]

It is just the fact's on the talent part. I know SLC would have hammered Lufkin after getting hammered by Ennis 100-10 in the 4a playoffs i apologize LOL Or when SLC was a 3a God?? :rolleyes: I stated clearly that it did not play a part but it is the fact's. Lufkin has doubled SLC in div1a athletes in the past 2 years so what it did not help them. SLC has beaten Lufkin head to head in 2 very close games and that is the fact's also. I am sorry if some of the fact's bother you but they are just fact's. Oh and Lufkin played that Katy team.
Lufkin have their small stadiums, D1 players, and a win over Katy in 2003. Carroll will take its five championships and two wins over Lufkin.

[dragonsdaddy]

And everybody was laughing at us when we called him little mike vick?? He is the real deal. It is too bad he is gone but that is the fact's. At least he is a junior. D-daddy ty for your great analysis. I am sorry i cannot act more like that. Hey, maybe we can meet and say hi at halftime again?? Have a safe trip my friend. You know it is nothing personal when i am going at it with dragons fan's. It is just me i cannot help it. LOL
wish we could, but due to vagaries of the coin flip, i am tied to a shift that afternoon. i'll be suffering thru the internet, like most everyone else. hoped to get together, but taint happening. hope everyone has a safe drive, and the game is as good as advertised.

[PowerPack'd]

Let me know when we get back to X's and O's and I'll join back in on the conversation.

[my3sons]

Sounds like the 2 HOF almost had a date. I didn't realize you were that type DD? :D

[pack0808]

Lufkin have their small stadiums, D1 players, and a win over Katy in 2003. Carroll will take its five championships and two wins over Lufkin.


2 5a championships to Lufkin's 1 5a championship. Spare us with the lower stuff on a 5a board. ;) SLC does have bragging rights on Lufkin no doubt. 2002 made me ill because Lufkin just choked but 2004 was legit. Lufkin has been to the state semis 4 of the last 5 years so that is not too bad. Sorry to hear that d-daddy. Take care my friend and take care of the family.

[pack0808]

Sounds like the 2 HOF almost had a date. I didn't realize you were that type DD? :D


Typical starter not worth the response. :rolleyes:

[pack0808]

Let me know when we get back to X's and O's and I'll join back in on the conversation.


We will let you know as soon as you finish looking at the XXX on your monitor. ;)

[WildcatFan]

SLC 52 Lufkin 17

For my reason stated earlier.

No QB for Lufkin
SLC too good for them

That about sums it up!

[pack0808]

SLC 52 Lufkin 17

For my reason stated earlier.

No QB for Lufkin
SLC too good for them

That about sums it up!


Well it is obvious you have been out of the scene for a while but you have a right to your opinion. Lufkin has not lost by double digits in almost 5 years. Lufkin has played SLC twice in that same time span. Just a FYI

[dragonfootballfan]

2 5a championships to Lufkin's 1 5a championship. Spare us with the lower stuff on a 5a board. ;)
So now championships don't count unless they were in 5A? Carroll still wins there. Would you rather have 2 5A championships, 3 3A championships or 1 5A championship and a lot D1 prospects?
SLC does have bragging rights on Lufkin no doubt. 2002 made me ill because Lufkin just choked but 2004 was legit.
Last I checked in 2002 Carroll scored more points than Lufkin. Is a comeback not a "legit" win anymore?
Lufkin has been to the state semis 4 of the last 5 years so that is not too bad.
No its not that bad, but Carroll has been to the state semis in 5A the last 4 years and the year before made it to the 4A semis(I guess that does not count). They have also been to the last three state championship games. That is pretty good if I say so myself. I guess those D1 prospects and NFL players are more important than winning football games.

[pack0808]

Yawn :rolleyes: , I promise you if Lufkin had played in 3a or 4a they would have many more championships. I have nothing but respect for SLC but i am not going to act like you are God's after watching my team play you twice. Sorry!! I know what Lufkin is capable of. In fact, if Lufkin was not in div2 they would have won 3 championships in the last 4 years in my opinion. But we were in div2 with SLC. Nothing but respect.

[KLH75287]

SLC 52 Lufkin 17

For my reason stated earlier.

No QB for Lufkin
SLC too good for them

That about sums it up!

Not likely......

Enjoy Basketball season.

GO PACK IN '05

[WildcatFan]

Well it is obvious you have been out of the scene for a while but you have a right to your opinion. Lufkin has not lost by double digits in almost 5 years. Lufkin has played SLC twice in that same time span. Just a FYI

Pack you are on Crack to assume I have been out of the scene. I have been in all my life including being able to quote on Lufkins rises and falls over the years.

You assume I am not familiar with your team, least you rememebr Plano and Lufkin have crossed paths several times recently loosing 3 years ago in the second round to you in Waco.

I am not saying Lufkin is a bad team, I am not going to say plano would have done this or that to Lufkin as thats not going to happen.

I have seen both SLC and you play this year and I can tell you SLC had a slight advantage before this week, now with your QB out you have no chance at all.

I am sorry perhaps after next weekend you can come on here and tell me told you so, thats fine I will eat crow, but I don't think its going to happen.

Get ready for equipment turn in next Monday.

Go Dragons!

[dragonfootballfan]

Yawn :rolleyes: , I promise you if Lufkin had played in 3a or 4a they would have many more championships. I have nothing but respect for SLC but i am not going to act like you are God's after watching my team play you twice. Sorry!! I know what Lufkin is capable of. In fact, if Lufkin was not in div2 they would have won 3 championships in the last 4 years in my opinion. But we were in div2 with SLC. Nothing but respect.
can you please go back and look at all of your posts and still believe you said that?

[pack0808]

Pack you are on Crack to assume I have been out of the scene. I have been in all my life including being able to quote on Lufkins rises and falls over the years.

You assume I am not familiar with your team, least you rememebr Plano and Lufkin have crossed paths several times recently loosing 3 years ago in the second round to you in Waco.

I am not saying Lufkin is a bad team, I am not going to say plano would have done this or that to Lufkin as thats not going to happen.

I have seen both SLC and you play this year and I can tell you SLC had a slight advantage before this week, now with your QB out you have no chance at all.

I am sorry perhaps after next weekend you can come on here and tell me told you so, thats fine I will eat crow, but I don't think its going to happen.

Get ready for equipment turn in next Monday.

Go Dragons!


You are on crack to say loose and not lose. loose jeans not lose game's. Outlaw has been here since 95 and he has turned Lufkin into a powerhouse. Lufkin has been very consistent since the Outlaw era. He won a state championship before Lufkin. Lufkin is 64-7 with a state championship and 4 state semi's in the last 5 years so i would say that is pretty consistent. A lot more consistent then 0-10 a few years ago right?? What has Plano done in the last 10 years??

[my3sons]

Typical starter not worth the response. :rolleyes:

just playing with dd, who i believe i know. you need to lighten up. no one is disrespecting your HOF credentials. :cool: :cool:

[pack0808]

just playing with dd, who i believe i know. you need to lighten up. no one is disrespecting your HOF credentials. :cool: :cool:


He is Doc so i am sure you know him? I am not trying to get respect by being a HOF in here. You will learn that this board is not like the other one's though. I do not like this trash talking stuff but i am hard headed when i hear somebody else speaking it. I have to respond. ;)

[WildcatFan]

You are on crack to say loose and not lose. loose jeans not lose game's. Outlaw has been here since 95 and he has turned Lufkin into a powerhouse. Lufkin has been very consistent since the Outlaw era. He won a state championship before Lufkin. Lufkin is 64-7 with a state championship and 4 state semi's in the last 5 years so i would say that is pretty consistent. A lot more consistent then 0-10 a few years ago right?? What has Plano done in the last 10 years??

Well you are righe lose not loose (SIC).

Great you have a great record you have more success than Plano does in the past 10 years. Hope that helps you against SLC this weekend.

I can only wait to cut LOOSE on you next week when your team is blown up by the Dragons!

[hottie03]

dont worry about what lufkin will do worry about that so call slc that yall call a football team we will hold our own just make sure yall bring it

[pack0808]

Well you are righe lose not loose (SIC).

Great you have a great record you have more success than Plano does in the past 10 years. Hope that helps you against SLC this weekend.

I can only wait to cut LOOSE on you next week when your team is blown up by the Dragons!


LOL okay man. Lufkin has played SLC in 2002 and 2004 so do not "loose" ;) your head.

[PurpleNation]

Lets not forget David (JROCK) did slay Goliath (Spring Westfield) and when I read the story he did pick up more then one stone.

Lufkin 35

SLC 28

I really hope SLC comes in thinking that just becuase Claybon isnt back that doesnt mean #8 will be stoped. Lets not forget Dez completly abused simpson last year with 2 circus catches for TD's. Ralp brings another demention to the table at QB. Ralp (Baskettball,baseball,track) is the overall best pure Athlete in Lufkin since the Ronnie Blake era. He knows how much this game means to his child hood friend that he played T ball and little league with(Jeremy). Im sure he is prettty pissed about Claybon breaking his arm. So watch out win #16 is upset he is the most dangerouse person the field. I have a feeling after you see him take a couple of snaps you will wish that maybe Claybon was calling the shot instead of him.

time to put my locks back on :cool:

[SLC13]

Lets not forget David (JROCK) did slay Goliath (Spring Westfield) and when I read the story he did pick up more then one stone.

Lufkin 35

SLC 28

I really hope SLC comes in thinking that just becuase Claybon isnt back that doesnt mean #8 will be stoped. Lets not forget Dez completly abused simpson last year with 2 circus catches for TD's. Ralp brings another demention to the table at QB. Ralp (Baskettball,baseball,track) is the overall best pure Athlete in Lufkin since the Ronnie Blake era. He knows how much this game means to his child hood friend that he played T ball and little league with(Jeremy). Im sure he is prettty pissed about Claybon breaking his arm. So watch out win #16 is upset he is the most dangerouse person the field. I have a feeling after you see him take a couple of snaps you will wish that maybe Claybon was calling the shot instead of him.

time to put my locks back on :cool:
First let me say that I'm really sorry that your QB, Claybon, got hurt. By all accounts he was having a terrific season!! It is a shame when injuries occur anytime, but especially at this time of the year.

That said, a couple points.......
1. I think that you're getting a little carried away about a backup QB. If he was playing Saturday, you would be on here telling us that Claybon was the best Lufkin QB since Reggie McNeil and that he had already broken some of Reggie's passing records. Now his replacement may be a fine athlete and could play well on Saturday, but given the choice it is pretty far fetched to think that the Dragons will be wishing to face your record setting QB rather than a guy with just over quarter of varsity experience at QB. :eek:

2. Your predicted score for a Lufkin win is interesting. It would seem to me that Lufkin's best chance for a win would be in a lower scoring game. If you were to score 35 points on Saturday, as you predict, then you will have scored more points against us than anybody has all year......and you're going to do that with a backup QB with less than one game of QB experience. I'd say the odds in Vegas are stacked against you, my friend......

[pack0808]

I am not going to do this all week. I just grow tired of this from week to week. Lufkin has nothing but respect for SLC and hopefully it will live up to the hype like the last 2. I am just burned out on the arguing and smack talk. It is all pointless. SLC is obviously a great team and it will be a great challenge. I pray for a safe trip for all of the SLC fan's and player's. I have nothing more. See ya Saturday.

[Favpack]

I think most Pack fans know I'm pretty reality based. Lufkin can absolutely win this game, but they will need a few "ifs" for it to happen. SLC needs no "ifs" - including playing the game at Nac. Just ask Cooper, Monty or Andrews (several years ago) about SLC playing on the road - a non-issue for sure.

Some points for SLC to consider:

1) SLC has had trouble with Lufkin's speed in the past, and really not too much else. Lufkin is SUBSTANTIALLY faster on O AND D this year than last - as hard as that seems to believe. Lufkin's wr's and rb's hit a new gear Fri. night I have honestly never seen, particularly the rb Turner, Thomas and Shankle - as if we thought it was possible - they actually found another gear.

2) This is really nothing new - but CCove can attest that Lufkin hits harder than any team SLC has faced. Will Newton continue to run hard after searching for his ear pads and mouth piece a few times?

3) Lufkin losing their MVP qb hurts tremendously. But, one minor positive for Lufkin - It will be pointless for SLC to watch offensive film of Lufkin this week. They have no film on the back-up qb and neither they nor LP fans have a clue what the offensive game plan will be. In reality - we really don't even know who will be Lufkin's qb - that's a serious statement - we don't. Wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Lufkin start the JV soph. qb and leave Thomas at wr.

Some points for Lufkin to consider

1) Lufkin has shown no ability to be able to consistenty contain SLC's offense. Wondering why this year will be different? It could be different - but history says it likely won't be.

2) SLC's D by all accounts appears better than last year's - meaning it could be the best D Lufkin has seen all year. A smothering, disciplined D makes life hard on a spread.

3) Ralph Thomas at qb takes away Lufkin's best wr in the playoffs.

[dragonfly]

I've said all year I though SLC was more beatable than the last few years. I thought Lview or LP could beat them. Now LP has a shot and their QB goes down. I will be there rooting for LP but I'm not sure they can do it. I just don't see how a guy who hasn't played qb alll year or taken many snaps can step in and throw well better yet run a offense for 4 qtrs. I will be pulling for the Panthers to pull off the upset though. The panther D needs to play shut down defense for them to have a chance.


I think the Lufkin QB will be fine for what they ask their QBs to do in their passing game. He won't have a bunch of reads to make all over the field.

[PantherStang84]

I have seen both SLC and you play this year and I can tell you SLC had a slight advantage before this week, now with your QB out you have no chance at all.

And that's exactly what we want you folks in the Metroplex to think!:D

[PantherStang84]

3) Ralph Thomas at qb takes away Lufkin's best wr in the playoffs.

You could look at it that way. Ralph is definately the fastest of the WR corps. However, I would not necessarily call him the best. I think an argument could be made on Dez's behalf.

[PantherStang84]

SLC's D by all accounts appears better than last year's - meaning it could be the best D Lufkin has seen all year.

While that may be true they do give up a lot a yards.

Additionally, the SLC O has had problems protecting the football this year.

Meanwhile, Lufkin has done pretty good at protecting it.

The Lufkin D has done a good job of stealing the ball.

Tell ya what folks. I really like Lufkin's chances this year to keep the game respectable.

[Favpack]

You could look at it that way. Ralph is definately the fastest of the WR corps. However, I would not necessarily call him the best. I think an argument could be made on Dez's behalf.

Dez has had an incredible year. In the p.o.'s, however, several teams have opted to double him or shade him - leaving Ralph to run roughshod over his man coverage. Obviously Ralph gets more touches at qb than at wr - and he can go the distance in a heartbeat - but he won't catch many balls playing qb.

[Phoenixrising05]

Gotta say this is one of the best threads this season. After a month of unsubstianted "arguments" from Imac, Allen, and Abilene fans, reading all the informed rational from Panther fans is very very refreshing! Sounds like for the 3rd time this will be a great game. Having only seen SLC play twice this year (both in blowouts: Haltom and Abilene) I can't really add anything more than what other Dragon fans have already pointed out.

[dragonfootballfan]

2) This is really nothing new - but CCove can attest that Lufkin hits harder than any team SLC has faced. Will Newton continue to run hard after searching for his ear pads and mouth piece a few times?

So Cove has played against every team that Carroll has played this year and knows who was the hardest hitting of the bunch? Wow that is amazing

[stevefoxsc]

South lake is gona win why? Simple They always beat lufkin :p

[LufkinPanthers2008]

i have one thing to say just because Jeremy is gone at qb doesnt mean our chances at winning has vanished ralph is a good qb and if he doesnt get it done James Davis will trust me i know i played with him this year on JV when Jeremy Nobles broke his hand James took over at qb and was outstanding he's really fast has a good arm anyway we won more games when james was at qb than when nobles was at qb

[PACKMAN]

NEWSFLASH !!!!!

The key to Lufkin's victory will be the defenses' ability to pressure the QB, and the secondarys' ability to cover the short 10-15 yard passing routes.

The SLC philosphy of scoring 50 points and letting the rest take care of itself works very efficiently. Admittedly, their MOV and PPG stats are very intimidating. But not so much so when they run up against a team with that same ability. Then the focus shifts to defense. That being said ........ this should boild down to the LP defense. We know Ralph Thomas will step up as quarterback. But, it will be up to our defense to control this game.

Offense sells tickets ......... Defense wins championships.

Finesse and control football vs smashmouth football

West Coast style vs East Texas style


This should be one of the best games in years ....... Good luck to everyone involved!

Get er done ............. GO LP !

[dragonfootballfan]

Offense sells tickets ......... Defense wins championships.

So I guess it is safe to say that Carroll has had a better defense than Lufkin the past two times they played?

[LufkinPanthers2008]

NEWSFLASH !!!!!

The key to Lufkin's victory will be the defenses' ability to pressure the QB, and the secondarys' ability to cover the short 10-15 yard passing routes.

The SLC philosphy of scoring 50 points and letting the rest take care of itself works very efficiently. Admittedly, their MOV and PPG stats are very intimidating. But not so much so when they run up against a team with that same ability. Then the focus shifts to defense. That being said ........ this should boild down to the LP defense. We know Ralph Thomas will step up as quarterback. But, it will be up to our defense to control this game.

Offense sells tickets ......... Defense wins championships.

Finesse and control football vs smashmouth football

West Coast style vs East Texas style


This should be one of the best games in years ....... Good luck to everyone involved!

Get er done ............. GO LP !

exactly what im saying just because claybon is gone doesnt mean we're out of it it's all up to the secondary quon , Hewitt , Brown , Harris , Jenkins , Terry and all the other secondary have to get a control on the receivers

[PACKMAN]

So I guess it is safe to say that Carroll has had a better defense than Lufkin the past two times they played?


I can't keep spoon-feeding you this knowledge ......... you figure it out :p

[LufkinPanthers2008]

i think lufkin will win it because just like the fans i bet the slc players are whining about how far they have to drive and what kind of stadium they are playing in with that in their mind they cant focus on the game and that will mess them up

[dragonfootballfan]

i think lufkin will win it because just like the fans i bet the slc players are whining about how far they have to drive and what kind of stadium they are playing in with that in their mind they cant focus on the game and that will mess them up
Wow. I guess if Carroll wins while not concentrating on Lufkin and only concentrating on the stadium it will be an even greater feat.

[LufkinPanthers2008]

Wow. I guess if Carroll wins while not concentrating on Lufkin and only concentrating on the stadium it will be an even greater feat.

hey u better tell ur quarterback to keep his head on his on his shoulders he might have to find it after #44 Eric Taylor smashes him in the backfield u slc ppl are to fu*kin cocky i hope we win this damn game i wonder how yall felt when yall lost to katy after being so cocky

[dragonfootballfan]

hey u better tell ur quarterback to keep his head on his on his shoulders he might have to find it after #44 Eric Taylor smashes him in the backfield u slc ppl are to fu*kin cocky i hope we win this damn game i wonder how yall felt when yall lost to katy after being so cocky
We are the cocky ones even though you are the one that said Lufkin will win this game because of a stadium.

I wonder how it felt to lose in the first round to Garland in 2003? I would much rather lose in the state game by one point than to be bounced in the first round, but that is just me.

[LufkinPanthers2008]

We are the cocky ones even though you are the one that said Lufkin will win this game because of a stadium.

I wonder how it felt to lose in the first round to Garland in 2003? I would much rather lose in the state game by one point than to be bounced in the first round, but that is just me.

did i say that lufkin will win because of a stadium? NO i said lufkin will win because slc players will be to busy whining about where they are playing get ur comments straight before u try to argue with someone we lost in 2003 because ashford ayers wasnt executing properly at qb we have a legitimate reason what is yours? u lost because u were going into that game over confident and got surprised

[dragonfootballfan]

did i say that lufkin will win because of a stadium? NO i said lufkin will win because slc players will be to busy whining about where they are playing get ur comments straight before u try to argue with someone we lost in 2003 because ashford ayers wasnt executing properly at qb we have a legitimate reason what is yours? u lost because u were going into that game over confident and got surprised
You lost in the first round. There are many reasons why Carroll lost cockiness and overconfidence was not one of them. Was Lufkin not overconfident going into their game with Garland in 2003? They were ranked number 1.

Why would the Carroll players be whining as you say?

[dragonfly]

i hope we win this damn game i wonder how yall felt when yall lost to katy after being so cocky

I'll tell you how we felt. It hurt like hell, so we went out and started another streak and haven't lost since!

[LufkinPanthers2008]

You lost in the first round. There are many reasons why Carroll lost cockiness and overconfidence was not one of them. Was Lufkin not overconfident going into their game with Garland in 2003? They were ranked number 1.

Why would the Carroll players be whining as you say?

over confident and cocky are to different things u slc ppl are way to damn cocky lukin in 2003 was over confident they were not cocky for as you slc ppl yall were cocky going into that game against katy

[dragonfootballfan]

over confident and cocky are to different things u slc ppl are way to damn cocky lukin in 2003 was over confident they were not cocky for as you slc ppl yall were cocky going into that game against katy
How come Lufkin hasn't beaten Carroll if they are so cocky? Who are you to say that Carroll was cocky going into the 2003 game with Katy? How many players and coaches from Carroll have you talked to regarding that game?

[c-lisle]

NEWSFLASH !!!!!

The key to Lufkin's victory will be the defenses' ability to pressure the QB, and the secondarys' ability to cover the short 10-15 yard passing routes.

GO LP !

I think that is the key to almost any team beating them. What about the deep ball though? They are pretty good at that.

[dragonfly]

we lost in 2003 because ashford ayers wasnt executing properly at qb we have a legitimate reason what is yours? u lost because u were going into that game over confident and got surprised

I promise you that we won't blame our loss on one player. I'll tell you that our team lost as a family to a team that played good enough to get the job done in the final minutes.

[LufkinPanthers2008]

How come Lufkin hasn't beaten Carroll if they are so cocky? Who are you to say that Carroll was cocky going into the 2003 game with Katy? How many players and coaches from Carroll have you talked to regarding that game?

flash back 2004 : game tied 30-30 touchdown pass from jacovey smallwood to dez bryant called back on a holding penalty? cmon u dont call a td back on a holding penalty u take it out on kickoff

flashback 2002 : panthers lead 30-14 terrance parks touchdown run called back on a spiked football he didnt even spike it he layed it down on the ground that messed us up i give slc credit in that game for the comeback but that was a contraversial call

[dragonfootballfan]

flash back 2004 : game tied 30-30 touchdown pass from jacovey smallwood to dez bryant called back on a holding penalty? cmon u dont call a td back on a holding penalty u take it out on kickoff

flashback 2002 : panthers lead 30-14 terrance parks touchdown run called back on a spiked football he didnt even spike it he layed it down on the ground that messed us up i give slc credit in that game for the comeback but that was a contraversial call
the refs cost you to lose the game. Are you not going to call out a player for your loss in 2004? I mean you already called one out for a loss in 2003 and another in 2002.

Can you please tell me how you know that the 2003 Carroll team was cocky?

[packdad]

I guess there won't be any blond mrs clarol left in southlake.

[insider]

I guess there won't be any blond mrs clarol left in southlake.

Running around with blond hair is a team-building exercise. Meant more for themselves and not for others.

Do you seriously think other teams, or their fans looking for any excuse, is intimidated by such efforts?

SLC has quaint traditions - but those of us who play them aren't bothered by such minor steps.

[dragonfootballfan]

over confident and cocky are to different things u slc ppl are way to damn cocky lukin in 2003 was over confident they were not cocky for as you slc ppl yall were cocky going into that game against katy
I looked up the definition of Cocky and I was so amazed at what I found

cocky

adj : overly self-confident or self-assertive; "a very cocky young man"

does it say overly self-confident. Is that the same thing as overconfident? Since you just said that Lufkin was overconfident in 2003 it is safe to assume that they were cocky since cocky and overconfident both mean the same thing.

[LUFPAN]

Congratulations guys (both SLC and Lufkin) you have managed to turn a pretty good discussion into another trash talking session. I would think you guys would be tired of that after all the talk from Plano and Cove last week. This Saturday will be another great game. There are no excuses for Lufkin's two previouse losses, we just lost. Neither will there be any excuses for either team this Saturday. We play the game.

[pack98]

If we lufkin loose this game it will not be because of our QB situation. We would have lost to a great team and a great coach on the sideline and they just made the plays to beat us on that saturday afternoon.

YOU LOOSE AS A TEAM AND WIN AS A TEAM..NO ONE PERSON IS ABOVE THE TEAM.

Some people like to say well with out this person or this person we can't win i say Bull**it you can win your team may have to play harder but they can still win. Sure Lufkin we lost our Qb that hurts but like any great team you have to be able to overcome situations and make them to a positive. And that is what the Pack is going to do.ONE TEAM ONE GOAL SATURDAY AT SFA.

Lufkin +7

GO PANTHERS

[pack0808]

I will not use it as an excuse if Lufkin loses because injury's are a big part of the game, but we would all be lying to ourselves to say this does not make an impact in the game. He is the leader of the panther offense and this was a bad injury at a bad time. I felt like Lufkin needed to be 100 percent to beat SLC and then Lufkin's most important offensive player goes down. But you just have to move on and try to overcome it. I think Lufkin can do it but it will be more difficult no question.

[ALLIN]

So it was this player for you, or that player, or the refs huh? When you lose this year, you already have your excuse. If Lufkin just had their QB...................
On to who will make the most mistakes, Lufkin! SLC will not have another sloppy game and Lufkin will fall behind, let it get in their head, and start the usual stuff; int, fumbles, late hits etc. Good luck LP and SLC
SLC 38
LP 17

[Favpack]

So it was this player for you, or that player, or the refs huh? When you lose this year, you already have your excuse. If Lufkin just had their QB...................
On to who will make the most mistakes, Lufkin! SLC will not have another sloppy game and Lufkin will fall behind, let it get in their head, and start the usual stuff; int, fumbles, late hits etc. Good luck LP and SLC
SLC 38
LP 17
"usual stuff" - lol - very intelligent commentary Allin. Were you in Waco last year? No, that's what I thought. I recall Lufkin falling behind heavy - but passing into the endzone for the tying score with a few seconds left after a memorable comeback. Both teams left it all on the field that day - what more could any reasonable fan ask for?

[PackAttack2005]

I think Pack08 said that losing Jeremy Claybon would not be an excuse. There is no doubt this makes a big difference in how Lufkin approaches this game. The bottom line is Lufkin will be there and we will see what happens.

A Lufkin win would be a huge upset under the circumstances.

ALLIN, where do you get the usual stuff?, you don't know what your talking about, Lufkin doesn't do that or they couldn't have won the last 64 of 71 games as they have done. Please get a clue and quit talking about stuff you know nothing about.

Southlake shouldn't have any excuses for losing this game. It is too bad both teams won't be at 100% for this one.

[dragonfootballfan]

I did not see anyone from Lufkin do the usual stuff that Allin is talking about, but most teams when they play Carroll resort to that usual stuff when they are down by a lot. I don't know if that is what he meant, but that makes a lot more sense than saying Lufkin would do that since I did watch 2004 and did not see any of it. One thing that I know the Carroll defense is happy about is that Javorskie Lane is no longer on Lufkin. I think he was the one player last year if someone said, "dragonfootballfan who would you least like to tackle?" He would be my answer

[PACKMAN]

So it was this player for you, or that player, or the refs huh? When you lose this year, you already have your excuse. If Lufkin just had their QB...................
On to who will make the most mistakes, Lufkin! SLC will not have another sloppy game and Lufkin will fall behind, let it get in their head, and start the usual stuff; int, fumbles, late hits etc. Good luck LP and SLC
SLC 38
LP 17


WOW .......... Tell you what, you give me LP and 22 points and I'll meet you at the gate and give you all the action you can afford !!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

[ALLIN]

Hey, just my opinion, I have been wrong before. We will see come game time. I did mean the usual stuff that SLC gets from teams that are behind, not that Lufkin was THE team to necessarily do that. Sorry for the confusion. I will stick with my prediction though.

[PACKMAN]

Hey, just my opinion, I have been wrong before. We will see come game time. I did mean the usual stuff that SLC gets from teams that are behind, not that Lufkin was THE team to necessarily do that. Sorry for the confusion. I will stick with my prediction though.


Just as I suspected ............. crawfish imitation accepted !


GOOD FUN:D

[ALLIN]

LOL, no just re read and saw were it could have been misunderstood. Funny though, good luck man!

[poppy]

flash forward to saturday...
slc 52 lufkin 6:o :( :( :( :(

[PACKMAN]

flash forward to saturday...
slc 52 lufkin 6:o :( :( :( :(


Poopy ......... please go back into hibernation. You havent predicted the correct team to win a game this year (much less a ridiculous score like this one)!!

[packfan75]

hey u better tell ur quarterback to keep his head on his on his shoulders he might have to find it after #44 Eric Taylor smashes him in the backfield u slc ppl are to fu*kin cocky i hope we win this damn game i wonder how yall felt when yall lost to katy after being so cocky


You damn fool. You make Lufkin look really bad. In case you haven't thought about it, you come across as pretty damn cocky in your post. Glass houses.....

[AllenEagle06]

Wow. I can see why wide-e-wide decided to stay off the SLC and Lufkin discussions this week. He knew there would be lots of trash talk going on.

I believe the title to this thread is Lufkin .vs. SLC- NO TRASH, X's and O's. May I suggest making a new one called "Lufkin .vs. SLC- Trash Talk Here," and posting in that one instead?

[dragonfootballfan]

I just watched the 2002 game again and realized that Carroll won the toss and chose to defer. I don't think that Carroll has done that many times since then.

[drgnbkr]

"usual stuff" - lol - very intelligent commentary Allin. Were you in Waco last year? No, that's what I thought. I recall Lufkin falling behind heavy - but passing into the endzone for the tying score with a few seconds left after a memorable comeback. Both teams left it all on the field that day - what more could any reasonable fan ask for?

Fav, I think that people get used to responding to Carroll haters on other threads & it spills over..I try to ignore it but..you know sometimes....:rolleyes: I wonder if there will be a chance for some of us to visit this time before the game..

[dragonfootballfan]

flashback 2002 : panthers lead 30-14 terrance parks touchdown run called back on a spiked football he didnt even spike it he layed it down on the ground that messed us up i give slc credit in that game for the comeback but that was a contraversial call
I went back and watch the video of 2002 and saw where Parks spiked the ball. It was right before the half and that score made in 30-14. The penalty was enforced on the extra point which was missed. At most Parks cost you one point in a three point loss

[Favpack]

I went back and watch the video of 2002 and saw where Parks spiked the ball. It was right before the half and that score made in 30-14. The penalty was enforced on the extra point which was missed. At most Parks cost you one point in a three point loss
Correct DFF - he definitely spiked it - Coach O was ticked off - ranted on the radio a bit from what I'm told - that point allowed SLC to get two td's and two extra points (16 total) to tie the game - totally changed the complexion of the final minutes - went from 3 possession game to two possession.

[Favpack]

Fav, I think that people get used to responding to Carroll haters on other threads & it spills over..I try to ignore it but..you know sometimes....:rolleyes: I wonder if there will be a chance for some of us to visit this time before the game..

Drgnbkr - Absolutely -- I'll see if I can think of a locale. I assume Wide can't make it - he's usually our meeting anchorman.

[drgnbkr]

Drgnbkr - Absolutely -- I'll see if I can think of a locale. I assume Wide can't make it - he's usually our meeting anchorman.

Lets try..I'm thinking I'll come in the night before with my little Dragon, so we'll have some time.

[LPanther]

I went back and watch the video of 2002 and saw where Parks spiked the ball. It was right before the half and that score made in 30-14. The penalty was enforced on the extra point which was missed. At most Parks cost you one point in a three point loss
That play was hugh. If LP had 31 points instead of 30, they would have run out the clock in the second half. SLC had to have two TD's and two 2 pt. conversions just to tie. The spike and subsequent missed XP were big.

[LufkinPanthers2008]

the game will come down to how well special teams execute jaime has been having trouble with field goals and extra points lately hopefully he can get it together and if the game comes down to a field goal jaime will be ready

[pack4life]

Wow.. amazing.. lots of discussion here, not much X's and O's.. but discussion.

I am confident that Lufkin will be the hardest hitting team SLC has faced all season. I have never seen hits like i witnessed in the LP .vs. CC game. Lufkin is know for a hard hitting defense, and that has stood true. Will Carroll get rattled after they start getting hit by this D? No clue. But it is a possible factor in the game.

[dragonsdaddy]

While that may be true they do give up a lot a yards.

Additionally, the SLC O has had problems protecting the football this year.

Meanwhile, Lufkin has done pretty good at protecting it.

The Lufkin D has done a good job of stealing the ball.

Tell ya what folks. I really like Lufkin's chances this year to keep the game respectable.
where did you find stats to back up this claim? i don't think turnovers have been terribly high. the yards aren't bad when you consider the number of plays. besides the last time i checked, the total yardage isn't applicable to the numbers on the scoreboard.

[dragonfootballfan]

where did you find stats to back up this claim? i don't think turnovers have been terribly high. the yards aren't bad when you consider the number of plays. besides the last time i checked, the total yardage isn't applicable to the numbers on the scoreboard.
apparently some think that stats and facts are considered trash talk and are not allowed in this thread.;)

[dragonsdaddy]

You damn fool. You make Lufkin look really bad. In case you haven't thought about it, you come across as pretty damn cocky in your post. Glass houses.....
thanks packfan. i've been expecting some sort of camments about 08's performance. i wish there was a kiddie forum for just such comments as his and similar slc ones too. the good news is, they will age some day. the bad news is, they may not mature, and it won't be tomorrow when they do.

[dragonsdaddy]

Wow.. amazing.. lots of discussion here, not much X's and O's.. but discussion.

I am confident that Lufkin will be the hardest hitting team SLC has faced all season. I have never seen hits like i witnessed in the LP .vs. CC game. Lufkin is know for a hard hitting defense, and that has stood true. Will Carroll get rattled after they start getting hit by this D? No clue. But it is a possible factor in the game.
i suspect they will get about as rattled as they have the previous 2 meetings. you can decide if that is rattled enough to make a big difference.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

THE SLC pass protection is very, very good. They do a very very good job of concealing all the holding they do. :mad:

Not one holding penalty was called on SLC all game. They were holding left and right all day long. The refs let them get away with it. To be fair they didn't call holding on Plano either though and they let both teams play.

However, if the crew on Saturday decides to call a tight game then SLC will have some issues of not killing drives.

[pack4life]

i suspect they will get about as rattled as they have the previous 2 meetings. you can decide if that is rattled enough to make a big difference.


It didn't even phase them last time, but this is a new year. I understand Carroll has had their way in the past, but this is a completely different backfield, so i'm not sure how they will react.

[dragonfootballfan]

THE SLC pass protection is very, very good. They do a very very good job of concealing all the holding they do. :mad:

Not one holding penalty was called on SLC all game. They were holding left and right all day long. The refs let them get away with it. To be fair they didn't call holding on Plano either though and they let both teams play.

However, if the crew on Saturday decides to call a tight game then SLC will have some issues of not killing drives.
like I said in another thread, they have blocked like that for 4 years and it has not been called that much. I guess all the refs are wrong