Top 3 in 12-5A

[Red Raiders]

My Top 3 Predictions for 12-5A
1. Longview
2. Tyler Lee
3. North Mesquite

4. Mesquite
5. Tyler John Tyler
6. Mesquite Horn
7. Rockwall

All of these schools will be better than last year.

[Xfballphenome05]

1. Longview
2. Tyler Lee
3. Tyler John Tyler

[pack4life]

1. Longview

2. Tyler Lee

3. Mesquite

[Mr_Clean]

I think that Longview has a great shot at winning the mythical national championship. I'd like to see it, even though it may be at the expense of a couple of my favorite teams in Louisiana.

[Texasfrog]

I think that Longview has a great shot at winning the mythical national championship. I'd like to see it, even though it may be at the expense of a couple of my favorite teams in Louisiana.

Longview is going to have to find someone to throw the 50 yard fade pattern to. Mr. Kelly is now at Oklahoma. I've seen him catch a few of those against ECA over the last two years.

The Longview runnning game should be awesome this year though. I think many people could make a very strong argument that V. McGee is the #1 Rb in Texas. His got a little Priest Holmes and Barry Sanders in him.

Chris Ivory bring a load at FB. Very strong #1- #2 punch.

Longview secondary is very young and inexperienced. Kind of like Tyler Lee's O-line.

1. Longview
2. Tyler Lee
3. North Mesquite

[Mr_Clean]

Longview won't have worry about West Monroe testing the secondary - at least not through the air. The WM QB will be a 5-9 sophomore starting for the first time. Last year, the Rebels' coaching staff tried to convince people in preseason and early season interviews that they were going to be more balanced.

That philosophy went out the window in about week three. In fact, the Rebels were almost defeated by Airline in the second round of the playoffs after the free safety for the Vikings returned two picks for TDs. :eek:

[Texasfrog]

Ya, Coach Shows isnt really know for his "air game". West Monroe still will field a tough team. At least they arent playing in West Monroe. That's one of the toughest High school stadiums to go play at. But, if you get WM away from their stadium you increase the odds.

ECA might be able to move the ball through the air some on Longview. I'm sure Coach King will try to pound out alot of 4 yard runs and keep the clock moving and keep ECA offense on the sideline for 75% of the game.

ECA probably did the best job out of any team last year keeping McGee contained.

[Mr_Clean]

Both Evangel and WM should have stout defenses.

WM doesn't have much returning on offense, but they do have TB Frank Gooden and his 1,700-plus yards back.

West Monroe has a couple of great players on defense. DL Will Blackwell, grandson of the defensive coordinator, and LSU commit LB Shomari Clemons.

On a side-note, Clemons was suspended for the first half of last season for some sort of incident that happened at a track meet. He's been in the doghouse at WM for some of his career, but it didn't keep LSU from offering.

[Red Raiders]

Lol, somebody put North Mesquite for Number 1 Prediction, thats impossible for this year because Longview and Tyler Lee will be very good. I guess its someone from Mesquite picked it.

[Texasfrog]

I've heard of the Gooden kid. Heard his got some pop in his step. WM usually has that cat quick back. That game might come down to a score like 14-10 or something like that. It will probably be a defensive battle all the way and very fast moving (clock). WM always has a very solid defense.. its just that the last few years their offense of WM hasnt really complimented them and the defense had to carry the team.

ECA is the "sleeper" team in my opinion. I've always had alot of respect for the program and I've been to several games at their stadium over the last 6 years. I think they have a shot at fielding one of the better teams they've had in about 4 years. I know the Booty incident took its toll on the chemistry of the team in 2002.
Alot will depend on the new QB (Rogers kid) and if he pans out but I heard through an ECA dad that his pretty good. ( The dad I know ,,you probably know to). So, they (ECA) will be the sleeper team. It wouldnt shock me if ECA pulled out a so called "upset" on Longview. But, it should be a dogfight to the end. Longview is going to have to establish the running game and just pound out tough yards and keep the ECA offense off the field ( in my opinion).

PS. The best "TEAM' of the bunch might end up being the Springdale, Ark team when its all said and done.

[NMHS fan]

Lol, somebody put North Mesquite for Number 1 Prediction, thats impossible for this year because Longview and Tyler Lee will be very good. I guess its someone from Mesquite picked it.

It wasn't me - I didn't vote. But I do hope we are among the top three this season. Got to take care of business and we'll be there. It should be an exciting district race, although Longview and Tyler Lee should be at the top once again.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

1. Longview
2. Tyler Lee
3. Tyler John Tylerthis is my top 3.

[c-lisle]

Longview is going to have to find someone to throw the 50 yard fade pattern to. Mr. Kelly is now at Oklahoma. I've seen him catch a few of those against ECA over the last two years.

The Longview runnning game should be awesome this year though. I think many people could make a very strong argument that V. McGee is the #1 Rb in Texas. His got a little Priest Holmes and Barry Sanders in him.

Chris Ivory bring a load at FB. Very strong #1- #2 punch.

Longview secondary is very young and inexperienced. Kind of like Tyler Lee's O-line.

1. Longview
2. Tyler Lee
3. North Mesquite

Our passing game will be fine. We have a newcomer this year who is the same size as Malcolm and sounds promising at the WR position. I have heard he is very fast. Plus our 6'5'' Tight End will be there for the big pass when we need him. The secondary won't be as young and inexperienced as you think. Our FS is a two year starter with 4.4 speed(Jarvis Pippins). Another DB started some last year and is a big time playmaker(Cartez Beall). We have other players with varsity experience who will step in at CB. The question mark at this point is the Oline. I have heard some discouraging things since the Spring game.

[c-lisle]

Just got word that Vondrell ran a 4.37 40 Sunday at a Longhorn one day camp. Story is on rivals.com. If he doesn't sustain injury he will have a huge year and will be unstoppable.

[PackAttack2005]

Vondrell is good but not unstoppable. I have also watched your QB Freeman for two years, he doesn't have a consistant gun for throwing to good receivers. He had better improve in that area because your competition in 12-5A will be better than in 2004.

1. Tyler Lee
2. North Mesquite (surprise)
3. Longview / Mesquite (fighting for the 3rd and final playoff spot)

[Mr_Clean]

Longview third in district? I feel strongly that this is a top 10 team nationwide. Maybe I'm way off-base. :D :D

[CCHS77]

Longview third in district? I feel strongly that this is a top 10 team nationwide. Maybe I'm way off-base. :D :D



Clean,

The great thing is;

We’ll know who is 1,2 and 3 in this district by Nov. There are those among us that will be arguing who the (mythical) top (pick a number) 10 nationwide are, FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pack0808]

Vondrell is good but not unstoppable. I have also watched your QB Freeman for two years, he doesn't have a consistant gun for throwing to good receivers. He had better improve in that area because your competition in 12-5A will be better than in 2004.

1. Tyler Lee
2. North Mesquite (surprise)
3. Longview / Mesquite (fighting for the 3rd and final playoff spot)



hey i agree with you on a lot of things packattack but not here. no way will longview not win that district. the only chance of them losing in district is to tyler lee but i do not see it happening.

[c-lisle]

Vondrell is good but not unstoppable. I have also watched your QB Freeman for two years, he doesn't have a consistant gun for throwing to good receivers. He had better improve in that area because your competition in 12-5A will be better than in 2004.

1. Tyler Lee
2. North Mesquite (surprise)
3. Longview / Mesquite (fighting for the 3rd and final playoff spot)

You have officially fallen off your rocker! LOL The only way the Lobos don't clinch the District Championship is if we suffer significant injuries (which could happen i.e. Lee in 04). The only team that came close to stopping Vondrell was Evangel. I promise you he and Ivory will be an unstoppable tandem this year. Freeman will be fine throwing the ball and I expect improvement. It won't take much to get him over 1000 yds passing on the season. Which is respectable.

[PACK '97]

Rclisle41

I agree with that. Vondrell and Ivory is the best 1, 2 punch in the state this year. Longview should win 12-5a this year. No question about it.

[Red Raiders]

hey i agree with you on a lot of things packattack but not here. no way will longview not win that district. the only chance of them losing in district is to tyler lee but i do not see it happening.

Your right, Longview should be better then the last 2 years but they were still good for the last 2 years anyway but this year, they should win state hopefully like Lufkin. East Texas has a better chance winning state than any other parts of Texas.

Hey and I am not sure either North Mesquite or Tyler John Tyler be placed in third because John Tyler has a new good coach. They will be change this season and next year. And also, they collapse after losing in 2000 State Champion game for some reason, it change alot after then.

[pack4life]

I am very impressed with Vondrell McGee, but he is stoppable, any back is. I've never seen Ivory on a good day, last time i saw him he fumbled like 4 or 5 times, so i can only go by yalls opinions about how good Ivory is. Freeman, like it or not, has a weak arm. I don't care who this kid coming up is, or how big he is, he still is not Malcom Kelley. You're TE... how many rec./yds. did he have last season? Front 7 will be strong with yall, but i still question how good the DB's will cover the pass, just because they are unexpeirenced. But if you're O line can't come together, none of the above matters.

[c-lisle]

I think that third spot will be a battle b/t mesquite and NM. Mesquite was a cinderella team last year and I think they will be good again this year. NM will be improved also. JT will prolly be most improved team in the district. I look for them to finish closely behind # 4.

[Mr_Clean]

Clean,

The great thing is;

We’ll know who is 1,2 and 3 in this district by Nov. There are those among us that will be arguing who the (mythical) top (pick a number) 10 nationwide are, FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's true. Although I can see where some people hate polls, I like 'em. Those discussions especially help me get through the first couple of months of the offseason. :cool: :cool:

[PackAttack2005]

I don't have a problem with a talented team like Longview knowing they are good and briming with confidence. I do have a problem with their fans talking like they are un-stoppable and a shoe in for the State Championship before the season begins. Longview should have a great team this year, but they don't have much to show for the talent they thought they have had the past 3 or 4 years. Talk is cheap and it is a long season. If the Lobos can pass through the gauntlet of 5A Divison II and win the championship in 2005, then they would have won the right to talk about themselves and show a little swagger. This season will not be a cake walk for anyone much less the Lobos and I think they have all the talent they need to win in 2005, but I still believe they don't have the coaching to get them to the top escheat of 5A football.

Lufkin has a championship and two semi-final appearances the past four years, but you don't see them talking about a State Championship before the season starts, because they know how long and treacherous that road can be for a team. The pitfalls are many and derailment waits for you around every corner. You never know about what a season will bring however one thing I have learned is don't count on something before it happens because most of the time you will be disappointed.

You other guys don't have to agree with me, mark my words, the district 12-5A race will be closer than you think. So will 14-5A for Lufkin.

[Texasfrog]

I don't have a problem with a talented team like Longview knowing they are good and briming with confidence. I do have a problem with their fans talking like they are un-stoppable and a shoe in for the State Championship before the season begins. Longview should have a great team this year, but they don't have much to show for the talent they thought they have had the past 3 or 4 years. Talk is cheap and it is a long season. If the Lobos can pass through the gauntlet of 5A Divison II and win the championship in 2005, then they would have won the right to talk about themselves and show a little swagger. This season will not be a cake walk for anyone much less the Lobos and I think they have all the talent they need to win in 2005, but I still believe they don't have the coaching to get them to the top escheat of 5A football.

Lufkin has a championship and two semi-final appearances the past four years, but you don't see them talking about a State Championship before the season starts, because they know how long and treacherous that road can be for a team. The pitfalls are many and derailment waits for you around every corner. You never know about what a season will bring however one thing I have learned is don't count on something before it happens because most of the time you will be disappointed.

You other guys don't have to agree with me, mark my words, the district 12-5A race will be closer than you think. So will 14-5A for Lufkin.

Lonview fans should remember the 1997 season... when they were highly touted and had tons of talent (Fred Talley, Lee Jackson and several other D-1A players) on the team. They were ranked up there very high Nationally and #1 in Texas. Then came along a very stiff, tough Katy team and they spanked Longview in the State title game very badly.

Now saying all of that. I think Longview is going to very tough. But, teams like WM, Evangel, REL and than the playoffs will be very tough.

[PackAttack2005]

The 1997 Longview team was the last Lobo team to really make a mark in the 5A playoffs. Robert Bero was the coach, that guy knew how to get it done.

[GoOwls]

Lol, somebody put North Mesquite for Number 1 Prediction, thats impossible for this year because Longview and Tyler Lee will be very good. I guess its someone from Mesquite picked it.

Yeah, God forbid anyone form anywhere but East Texas can have an opinion or be a "Homer". :D

[Texasfrog]

The 1997 Longview team was the last Lobo team to really make a mark in the 5A playoffs. Robert Bero was the coach, that guy knew how to get it done.

Ya, that was a very good Longview team that was loaded with some great talent. Just on the surface you can see alot of similiarities between that 97 team and this years team on paper. They just got overwelmed by a very stout Katy team that day.

[farmerfan]

Yeah, God forbid anyone form anywhere but East Texas can have an opinion or be a "Homer". :D

My thoughts exactly

[farmerfan]

I remember watching that 97 Longview team in the playoffs against Plano East. We had left the Cotton Bowl after Marcus defeated a 11-0 Haltom team 65-27 and were excited about watching Longview, knowing they were #1 in Texas. We were excited, knowing that we could compare them to the team that we had just seen play(Marcus). To be honest with you, I was not as impressed with that team as I thought I would be, maybe a lot of it had to do with just coming from the Marcus game where they had 49 by halftime, but it was no shock to me that they did not win state that year. I remember thinking that against a team with a decent defense they would not be able to generate any points, and thats exactly what happend to them against Katy, against Plano East that night they struggled moving the ball, and I knew at that point that they were no where near the number 1 team in Texas and esp a top 10 team in the country. Maybe they hit their peak to early, because I clearly remember that team drilling a very good Duncanville team in the regular season as well as the playoffs.

[c-lisle]

I don't have a problem with a talented team like Longview knowing they are good and briming with confidence. I do have a problem with their fans talking like they are un-stoppable and a shoe in for the State Championship before the season begins. Longview should have a great team this year, but they don't have much to show for the talent they thought they have had the past 3 or 4 years. Talk is cheap and it is a long season. If the Lobos can pass through the gauntlet of 5A Divison II and win the championship in 2005, then they would have won the right to talk about themselves and show a little swagger. This season will not be a cake walk for anyone much less the Lobos and I think they have all the talent they need to win in 2005, but I still believe they don't have the coaching to get them to the top escheat of 5A football.

Lufkin has a championship and two semi-final appearances the past four years, but you don't see them talking about a State Championship before the season starts, because they know how long and treacherous that road can be for a team. The pitfalls are many and derailment waits for you around every corner. You never know about what a season will bring however one thing I have learned is don't count on something before it happens because most of the time you will be disappointed.

You other guys don't have to agree with me, mark my words, the district 12-5A race will be closer than you think. So will 14-5A for Lufkin.

Who mentioned anything about being a shoe in for the state championship. I don't even think at this point the state championship should be mentioned. You're exactly right, to many variables and a long season are ahead. I thhink Longview will give anyone a run for their money this year. However, at this point I don't think we will be in the championship game. And as far as coaching is concerned, I hate to tell you LP fans but Outlaw is not the only good coach out there. John King went 12-1 in his first season ever as head coach. I think he has the ability to be a great coach soon. Only time will tell I guess.

[RockinL]

Longview third in district? I feel strongly that this is a top 10 team nationwide. Maybe I'm way off-base. :D :D
Your not off....he just doesnt like anything positive said about Longview.......even though though they have won the last nine....

Maybe he should be concerned about Lufkin losing 90% of their offense...(Lane).

[RockinL]

Your not off....he just doesnt like anything positive said about Longview.......even though though they have won the last nine....

Maybe he should be concerned about Lufkin losing 90% of their offense...(Lane).

Ditto........ Pack4life

[RockinL]

Lufkin has a championship and two semi-final appearances the past four years, but you don't see them talking about a State Championship before the season starts, because they know how long and treacherous that road can be for a team.
And they know they dont have the team coming back like Longview has.
Their D will be outstanding...but the O....once again....Lane the Train is gone.
And dont even try and act like he was a HUGE...HUGE part of the offense. The best part.

And BTW...Ivory fumbled so much against Lufkin because of a broken thumb. He shouldnt have been playing.

[RockinL]

The 1997 Longview team was the last Lobo team to really make a mark in the 5A playoffs. Robert Bero was the coach, that guy knew how to get it done.
Robert Bero was one of my coaches at Longview way back when. A damn good man....but no better coach than King.

[Texasfrog]

Your not off....he just doesnt like anything positive said about Longview.......even though though they have won the last nine....

Maybe he should be concerned about Lufkin losing 90% of their offense...(Lane).

Lufkin lost Lane (A&M). But, they have alot of very fast scat back style RB's coming back. Plus, the WR crew might be some of the best in the State.

But, what is really exciting for Lufkin is the new QB-Claybon. His suppose to be really special that reminds many of Reggie McNeal.

So, losing Lane I dont think is as bad as many think....when you look at the total Lufkin package this season.

Lufkins defense will be the same hardnosed tough defense.

No doubt Lufkin "SHOULD" make a strong push for the Texas title.

[c-lisle]

Chris Ivory was clocked at a 4.34 40 @ OSU camp. Thats .03 faster than Vondrell. If our Oline comes together no one will be able to catch these guys. Just another reason Longview takes this district.

[dragonman88]

You east texas boys keep talking your good stuff, get in a good frame of mind, just remember SLC when it comes time for the playoffs. Don't think becasue Chase and Aron are gone that there is not any offense on the filed, because you had better bring it when the time comes, and you know it's coming. YOU will see ONE OF THE BEST RECEIVING GROUPS IN THE STATE!!!!

[Bilbo]

I sure don't see the lobos being the sure thing that alot you on here do. I will
predict

1. REL
2. Longview
3. North Mesquite

[pack4life]

And they know they dont have the team coming back like Longview has.
Their D will be outstanding...but the O....once again....Lane the Train is gone.
And dont even try and act like he was a HUGE...HUGE part of the offense. The best part.

And BTW...Ivory fumbled so much against Lufkin because of a broken thumb. He shouldnt have been playing.


Yeah, Lane was a huge part of our offense, but we return a very talented recieving corp and a very very talented QB. Plus 2 very talented RBs in the mix. People were saying the same thing whenever we lost Reggie McNeal. "Yeah, the D is stout, but what about the offense, yall lost Reggie". Wow, we made it back to the state semis.

[LoboFan07]

And BTW...Ivory fumbled so much against Lufkin because of a broken thumb. He shouldnt have been playing.

Ivory didnt only have a broken thumb. Four of his fingers were broken (including his thumb of course). Dont see why he was playing but of course he did.

Im so sick of hearing about the playoffs and about State. Sure I've said that I think we're going to win it this year. Everybody thinks that their home team does..(well a lot of people think they will ;) )

We havent even started the season yet. We have a long way to go. All I gotta say before any of us Lobo fans get into the playoffs even is that we need to get past our HUGE non district schedule then onto a demanding district schedule. Another 10-0 season this year no doubt will be hard but theres no reason we cant do this again. Go get em Lobos!

Good luck to you guys in Lufkin, Garland Area, and in the Mesquite area this year!

Going to be a great one! :D

[pack4life]

Wow.. I like this guy. Nice points Lobo. Everyone seems to be looking past their pre district and district schedules. Nice points made though, no comments about "How unstoppable the Lobos will be this year". Level headed sports fans... the world needs more. :D

[SWTAlumni]

There is no doubt that Longview is going to be a great football team this year and I have all the confidence in the world that they will be right in the hunt for the disrict championship like always, however the road goes through ROSE STADIUM and the defending state champions this year. This is always a great match-up with both teams proving that they can win on the road. I like to think that LEE has the advantage reguardless of what or who they lost at certain positions, but if this pole puts Mike Owens and the Tyler Lee Red Raiders as underdogs than great, I'll trade a district championship anyday for the right to defend our state championship.

We have no idea how the preseason will unfold and chances are their will be injuries to key players on both of these teams ie...( Lufkin vs Tyler Lee 2004 ), we lost 5 key defensive starters for three weeks. Only now, we must travel to another state and play at an unknown location against an unknown program to us all here in the great state of TEXAS. Good Luck Longview in your preseason it is always worthy of the hipe, take a close look at ours, and may both teams be healthy for the fight and right to be called the District 12-5A champions!

That's my opinion- coming from an Alumni of the old 12 5 A.

[R E Lee]

This is what I love about Longview - So humble in their predictions about themselves. Picking themselves to breeze through district and on to the State Title. But they keep forgetting about Lufkin and Lee.

Everyone knows they have lost to Lukin 15 times in a row, but their record against Lee isn't that good either.... Not good enough to already chalk up a win in June.

[VB Pack Fan]

Longview without a doubt, that offense is strong and Mcgee and Ivory are off the chain. Thet gave us a fit in last years game at SFA. Freeman may fool a few people. THat kid has heart,we klept knocking him down and he just got up and came back at us. They always have a strong defense also.

[SWTAlumni]

Are you forgetting that it was a double overtime loss last year to Longview, it's not like they kicked Lee's a__. Tyrone Ross was the greatest back ever to go to Lee and he single handidly couldn't beat Longview just as Megee can't do the same thing to Lee. Just ask Garland, Spring Westfield, and Trinity all of which were powerhouse running schools.

I don't understand why anyone would make such an asinine statemant about one player. What if, he's ranked the highest running back in state and still doesn't lead the district in rushing? It very well just might happen!

[c-lisle]

Were you at the game SWT Alum? I agree that one player can't win the game, but Vondrell came as close to doing it as one player could. The only RB I see having more yards than Mcgee would be Mon Williams at M. Horn. Our fullback could be a starting RB at almost any school in the state, which will be the reason Mcgee might not be the leading rusher in the district. Mcgee will have over 2000 yds rushing and Ivory will break the 1000 yd mark this season, if both stay healthy.

[SWTAlumni]

Great, thats nothing new here, Lee has been putting those type of rushing numbers up for 6 years now....Derek Farmer, Tyrone ross, and Joffery Renolds, Peyton Price, and this year it will be Jason Williams.

Even if he did so call beat Lee single handidly last year you think Mike Owens and his defensive staff or ( State Defending Championship defensive staff ) will allow it again? He can be shut down, your not even able to predict whether or not this kid will be healthy for the game yet. It takes more than one player, this game will come down to turnovers, offensive possesions, and execution, PERIOD!

[c-lisle]

None of those RBs are the same caliber as Mcgee or Ivory. I doubt Lee has ever had a tandem like these guys. No I can't predict the future (by your logic this board shouldn't exist), but if Mcgee is healthy he will repeat his performance from last year. Lee will have the same state championship defensive coaches as last year minus some of the great defensive players like Scates, why would the outcome be any different?

[SWTAlumni]

Tyler Lee Stats
Rushing, Season:
1,934 – Derek Farmer, 1999
1,800 - Derek Farmer, 2000
1,768 - Tyrone Ross, 2004

Rushing, Career:
4,748 - Tyrone Ross, 2001-2004
3,742 – Derek Farmer, 1998-00
2,699 - Keondra Smith, 2001-2003

TDs, Season:
25 - Tyrone Ross, 2004
22 – Derek Farmer, 2000
19 - Keondra Smith, 2002, 2003

Rushing TD's, Season:
24 - Tyrone Ross, 2004

TDs, Career:
55 - Tyrone Ross, 2000-2004
42 – Derek Farmer, 1999-00
42 - Keondre Smith, 2000-03

These are just a few stats from David Smoaks web-site, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY!

[SWTAlumni]

Here is your best of ALLTIME...................

Rushing, Season: 2053 – Fred Talley, 1997
Rushing, Career: 4812 – Fred Talley, 1996-98
TDs, Season: 24 – Fred Talley, 1997
TDs, Career: 38 – Fred Talley, 1996-98

His career touchdowns rank last compared to all 3 of Lee's, Season touchdowns O.k. he's almost as high as our 1, AND you say you doubt LEE has ever had running backs as good as Megee and Ivory?

Let me remind you that Derek Farmers yards for two of his three years came when LEE was playing LONGVIEW and LUFKIN twice a season.

Joffrey Reynolds, RB, (Rams, Giants) NFL Europe, Tyler LEE

[SWTAlumni]

The adverage margin of victory between Tyler Lee and Longview over the last 5 games is________________? 6.4 points or <less than a touchdown, or one play, or 1 fumble, or 1 interception, or 1 bad call, or one bonehead play, shall i keep going?

[c-lisle]

So you are comparing the RBs on TDs? Those guys were the center of your offense. Ask anyone who the better RB is. Most will tell you Fred and Vondrell are better than any of those you listed. Fred played on one of the best Longview teams ever and was not the only go-to guy and still had 100 yds more than your single season best. Same with Vondrell(2033 yds in 2004). Ivory had almost 900 yds last season. They did this with a very good TE and all-state WR in the line-up. You are comparing apples to oranges. Ivory and Mcgee would start over all those guys.

[Bootsdaddy]

So you are comparing the RBs on TDs? Those guys were the center of your offense. Ask anyone who the better RB is. Most will tell you Fred and Vondrell are better than any of those you listed. Fred played on one of the best Longview teams ever and was not the only go-to guy and still had 100 yds more than your single season best. Same with Vondrell(2033 yds in 2004). Ivory had almost 900 yds last season. They did this with a very good TE and all-state WR in the line-up. You are comparing apples to oranges. Ivory and Mcgee would start over all those guys.


Mcgee and Talley are great backs but you forget that Tyler Lee has a more balanced attack. "A very good TE and an all-state WR" and a QB who couldnt see over the OL. Case in point: After Freeman throws the wounded duck int late in the 4th qtr deep in his own territory against Lufkin at SFA Longview receives the ball trailing by 10 with about 2 minutes to play. The Lobos dont go to the hurry-up to try and get back in the game but instead go to the running game. I think Freeman does a good job running the O and seems to be a good leader but of course McGee and Ivory will have big yards next year. Longview has no passing game.

[SWTAlumni]

Those guys had a 5 star blue chip all american quarterback who is now the starting q.b. at LSU. Your knowledge of 12 5A sucks!

[Bootsdaddy]

Those guys had a 5 star blue chip all american quarterback who is now the starting q.b. at LSU. Your knowledge of 12 5A sucks!


"Those guys". Thanks for being so specific. Are you talking about Talley and McGee. Seems kind of crazy since they played 8 years apart.

[Texasfrog]

Those guys had a 5 star blue chip all american quarterback who is now the starting q.b. at LSU. Your knowledge of 12 5A sucks!

I'm not sure that Matt Flynn will be the starter at LSU this season. Although I do think his better than the J.Russell kid.

Before Flynn , Tyler Lee had Jeff Hilliard (Kansas) who I thought was a very solid QB.

[Texasfrog]

So you are comparing the RBs on TDs? Those guys were the center of your offense. Ask anyone who the better RB is. Most will tell you Fred and Vondrell are better than any of those you listed. Fred played on one of the best Longview teams ever and was not the only go-to guy and still had 100 yds more than your single season best. Same with Vondrell(2033 yds in 2004). Ivory had almost 900 yds last season. They did this with a very good TE and all-state WR in the line-up. You are comparing apples to oranges. Ivory and Mcgee would start over all those guys.

There could be a strong argument about Joffery Reynolds being inferior to Talley or Mcgee.. Joffery Reynolds (Univ-Houston) was one HECK of a RB that went on to be the Conference USA Offensive player of the year and had several 1,000 yard rushing seasons in college. In fact I think Joffery Reynolds is the #1 All-time rusher in Conference USA. now, his seeing spot duty in the NFL, CFL and NFL Europe and I think its just a matter of time before he sticks on a NFL roster fulltime.

I agree Derek Farmer has been disappointing and didnt flourish "LIKE I THOUGHT HE WOULD" at the next level. But, Joff. Reynolds is the real deal.

[SWTAlumni]

T-Frog I am amazed at your knowledge of this district and it's former players! Derek had a great freshman season at Tx AM but wasn't able to capitalize on it in year two, ( partly due to the hit that he sustained on the second play of the Tx AM vs Oklahoma game in Norman, O.K..That hit was by non-other than Roy Williams and his lundging helmet to the knee.) Injuries werer Dereks downfall and when Slocum left, Derek became second string to Courtney Lewis.

I truely believe that Tyrone Ross is better than Mcgee, Ivory, Farmer, Reynolds, Talley, and K. Smith. His size is the only thing keeping out of D-1 ball at this time, well, his grades weren't so hot as well. Theres something to be said about the ALL TIME LEADING RUSHER in District 12 5A.

[c-lisle]

If Mcgee, Ivory, or Talley were the RB for four years they would beat Ross's record by at least a thousand yards(I know a little more about 12-5a than you think). Ross was good, but not that good. I'll say it again, Ivory, Mcgee, and Talley would start over Ross.

[Texasfrog]

If Mcgee, Ivory, or Talley were the RB for four years they would beat Ross's record by at least a thousand yards(I know a little more about 12-5a than you think). Ross was good, but not that good. I'll say it again, Ivory, Mcgee, and Talley would start over Ross.


Ok.... I can nibble on the thought that Mcgee & Talley might be starters over Ross. But, Ivory ??? Come on !!!??? Dont get me wrong,, Ivory is one heck of a fullback that brings some punch and power but his not really a TB. Tyrone Ross is pretty dang good,, and he will end up being a D-1A player in a couple of years and probably a starter at some D-1A school. His got great skills (speed, quickness, vision, balance) that you only see in GREAT RB.

Honestly all four ( Reynolds, Ross, Mcgee & Talley) are great backs that all bring different things to the RB position. But, what they all bring is very very good. Heck, I would take any four of them as my starter.

PS. I just watched the 2001 Arkansas vs Auburn game on DVD. Talley smoked Auburn that day for like 250 yds rushing. He was incrediable in that game.

[c-lisle]

That's fair enough. Ivory is well suited for the full back position, but he could be an awesome RB. He has sub 4.4 speed and it amazes me how he manages to break tackles. Ivory and Mcgee can break tackles like crazy. They refuse to be tackled. Case in point Mcgee's 90 yd TD run against Lee last year. I will never forget it. He was covered up by Lee defenders.....busted through...juked another defender...and was gone. Not trying to rub that one in, just the best example I could think of. Ross had a pretty good game too. We could not stop him until late in the game. I agree they are all very good.

[Texasfrog]

T-Frog I am amazed at your knowledge of this district and it's former players! Derek had a great freshman season at Tx AM but wasn't able to capitalize on it in year two, ( partly due to the hit that he sustained on the second play of the Tx AM vs Oklahoma game in Norman, O.K..That hit was by non-other than Roy Williams and his lundging helmet to the knee.) Injuries werer Dereks downfall and when Slocum left, Derek became second string to Courtney Lewis.

I truely believe that Tyrone Ross is better than Mcgee, Ivory, Farmer, Reynolds, Talley, and K. Smith. His size is the only thing keeping out of D-1 ball at this time, well, his grades weren't so hot as well. Theres something to be said about the ALL TIME LEADING RUSHER in District 12 5A.


Thanks... I've spent some time in the Great East Texas football area. East Tx and West Tx are truly what High school football is all about when it comes to the total package and atmosphere on Friday Nights. I've lived in the Lufkin area for a few years.

Ross is the real deal. I dont know who is better. There could be great arguments made for (Reynolds, Ross, Talley & Mcgee). All four of them have that extra something special when it comes to toting the ball.

Ross will end up on a D-1A team in a couple of years (if he commit himself). I know he had several offers waiting for him if the grades pan-out.

Ross overall size and style of running is very similiar to Ryan Moats (5-8/200/4.4) kid out of Dallas Bishop Lynch that went to La-Tech. Moats just got drafted in the 3rd round by the Philly Eagles. Ross & Moats are very similiar in there size and style of running in my opinion. Yes, Ross is bigtime.

I would also put Tyrone Ross in the same category as Dominic Rhodes (Abilene Cooper/Tyler JC/Midwestern St/ Indy Colts).

[Texasfrog]

That's fair enough. Ivory is well suited for the full back position, but he could be an awesome RB. He has sub 4.4 speed and it amazes me how he manages to break tackles. Ivory and Mcgee can break tackles like crazy. They refuse to be tackled. Case in point Mcgee's 90 yd TD run against Lee last year. I will never forget it. He was covered up by Lee defenders.....busted through...juked another defender...and was gone. Not trying to rub that one in, just the best example I could think of. Ross had a pretty good game too. We could not stop him until late in the game. I agree they are all very good.

Ivory is a stud.. dont get me wrong. That kid can bring some power to the field. If I was playing LB and had those two in the backfield against me. Whoaaaaa, talk about nightmare and headaches. Longview has a backfield this season no doubt. Probably could be an argument made that it is the best Texas backfield in along time (Mcgee & Ivory).

I saw the REL vs Longview game on DVD. That was a heck of a run he made. It almost looks like some of the REL players stopped on the play when everyone kind of got into that scrum but then you see Mcgee pop out and take off. He kept his feet moving that's for sure.

I'm very very very impressed with Mcgee. I really think his getting somewhat overshadowed "UNFAIRLY" by a couple of other Texas backs this season. I wont be surprised at all to see Mcgee in a couple of years being the starting RB at Univ-Tx.

[Red Raiders]

That is just ridiculous when 2 people voted for North Mesquite and John Tyler for #1 in 12-5A, theres no way they can do that this year because of Longview and Tyler Lee.

[LoboFan07]

John Tyler Ill agree...

North Mesquite I wont...I really think they'll be much improved from last season

[c-lisle]

I think it is a long shot at this point, but wouldn't it be cool to have JT, Lee, and Lview in the playoffs. If JT improves through the year, who knows. I know they have some athletes and they are returning a ton of starters. They will have a pretty good defense. If they don't contend for the last playoff spot this year, I really think they will in the next season. It doesn't help them that they will be learning a new system this season under their new HC.

[pack0808]

you know some act like johntyler has been down for about 50 years. do not forget they just played in the 5a finals in 2000. :eek: the last 3 years have been awful ones for jt football but i think they can turn it around. jt have been losing several players to lee because of the minority rule in tyler so it might be tougher then usual.

[NMHS fan]

I think it is a long shot at this point, but wouldn't it be cool to have JT, Lee, and Lview in the playoffs.

No! :eek: That would be awful! :D Hey, you never know. What about a Mesquite sweep? Seriously, I wonder what happens next year when four teams go?

[Red Raiders]

you know some act like johntyler has been down for about 50 years. do not forget they just played in the 5a finals in 2000. :eek: the last 3 years have been awful ones for jt football but i think they can turn it around. jt have been losing several players to lee because of the minority rule in tyler so it might be tougher then usual.

John Tyler did lose 5 years ago in state finals and that next year, they had a new awful coach that got fired and going into Stewart Middle School in Tyler. Another reason is that alot of players move to Lee due to the Black Principal who was racist to white and loved black community so alot of teachers left and went to Lee so... thats what when John Tyler was collapse, they need to rebuild and we can have Tyler Football Power.