Valero Alamo Bowl

[F18mustang]

Not a good start for Mizzou, just got picked off.

[TheBigPeach]

Go Cats!

[F18mustang]

Mizzouri's D playing like crap as usual. TD NW.

[cajun]

That Big 12 Defense on display right here....Northwestern RIGHT down the field...

http://smileydatabase.com/smilies/543.gif

[svhorns]

the problem with having refs over 70... their eyesight isn't all there... did they really not see that fumble??

EDIT: I'm watching the game on the comp with no sound... what the hell happened on that fumble?

[SLC]

That Big 12 Defense on display right here....Northwestern RIGHT down the field...

http://smileydatabase.com/smilies/543.gif

I dont think you want to look at Mizzou as any kind of Big 12 defensive model.. That would be like looking at LSU as a offensive model....

See what I did there?

[F18mustang]

the problem with having refs over 70... their eyesight isn't all there... did they really not see that fumble??

EDIT: I'm watching the game on the comp with no sound... what the hell happened on that fumble?

It was a clean fumble, but a stupid offsides penalty on Mizzou gave the ball back to NW. The Mizzou backer literally lined up on the other side of the line of scrimmage.:rolleyes:

[F18mustang]

gah, Mizzou's defense is an abortion.

[SLC]

gah, Mizzou's defense is an abortion.

Again, What defense?

[F18mustang]

Again, What defense?

true true

[svhorns]

It was a clean fumble, but a stupid offsides penalty on Mizzou gave the ball back to NW. The Mizzou backer literally lined up on the other side of the line of scrimmage.:rolleyes:

haha oh... didn't see that... oh the irony

[chunky79]

maclin will be good in the no fun league

[F18mustang]

Maclin is a beast!:eek:

[chunky79]

maclin will be good in the no fun league

my bad, he will be great

[slorch]

That Maclin kid is decent...

( Wow he looked like he was running a slalom course of defenders):notworthy

[steeler 01]

Funny how people are finally realizing how bad Mizzou really is. Some people on this board really though they were a top 10 team.:eek:

[slorch]

Funny how people are finally realizing how bad Mizzou really is. Some people on this board really though they were a top 10 team.:eek:

top 3 to be exact...:rolleyes:

then again, so was Texas:notworthy

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Funny how people are finally realizing how bad Mizzou really is. Some people on this board really though they were a top 10 team.:eek:

Yep, for much of that 1st half Mizzou looked like most (if not all) of the Pac-10 offenses! Agreed... definitely was never a true Top-10 team!

[SLC]

top 3 to be exact...:rolleyes:

then again, so is Texas:notworthy

Slight correction.

[cajun]

Northwestern looking like Texas Tech against this butter...

http://smileydatabase.com/smilies/544.gif

[cajun]

Missouri answers...Can they stop the Wildcats though?

[EagleDude73]

N'Western 23
Mizzou 20
4th QTR

for any quays watching Emeril Lagasse or Paula Dean

[EagleDude73]

Chase Daniel from SLC throws it away.

[EagleDude73]

Mizzou ties it up 23 all

[cajun]

Believe Missouri might take it...Boneheaded play calling by Northwestern just then..

[slorch]

I wish I could see the Daniel Clan one more freaking time...

dumbest thing ever.

Always reminds me of Ms Kurt Warner with the spikey hair.

Who gives a rip...?

[EagleDude73]

no good

[EagleDude73]

I wish I could see the Daniel Clan one more freaking time...

dumbest thing ever.

Always reminds me of Ms Kurt Warner with the spikey hair.

Who gives a rip...?

your gonna see am Slorch

[svhorns]

TD Maclin 30-23 Mizzou in OT

[CKE]

I wish I could see the Daniel Clan one more freaking time...

dumbest thing ever.

Always reminds me of Ms Kurt Warner with the spikey hair.

Who gives a rip...?

I agree the celebrity status they are getting is just plain stupid....I did love the "Oh Sh:Censor:it" from the mom on the last TD though

[svhorns]

ball game...

[EagleDude73]

Chase's Mom Wins

[SLC]

Chase's Mom Wins

The Daniel's are very good people.

[SLC]

ball game...


Chase finally won a championship setting game in the Alamodome.

[slorch]

The Daniel's are very good people.

probably true. i'm not knocking them, but showing them after every play is rediculous.

It's not like they're the only Mizzou parents that made the trip...:rolleyes:

[CKE]

Chase finally won a championship setting game in the Alamodome.

that was his 2nd no?

[slorch]

I agree the celebrity status they are getting is just plain stupid....I did love the "Oh Sh:Censor:it" from the mom on the last TD though

I saw that too.

"Wow":cool:

[steeler 01]

Northwestern looking like Texas Tech against this butter...

http://smileydatabase.com/smilies/544.gif

Every QB looks like a Heisman candidate against those big 12 defenses. The Northwestern QB had his best game of his life. Throwing for 300+ yards.

[SLC]

probably true. i'm not knocking them, but showing them after every play is rediculous.

It's not like they're the only Mizzou parents that made the trip...:rolleyes:

I agree with that.. It did get a little crazy.. Like the Colt/Jordan stuff.. Just to much of it.

[steeler 01]

Yep, for much of that 1st half Mizzou looked like most (if not all) of the Pac-10 offenses! Agreed... definitely was never a true Top-10 team!

I said this a long time ago. Remember how we had an argument about this earlier in the year?

[slorch]

Every QB looks like a Heisman candidate against those big 12 defenses. The Northwestern QB had his best game of his life. Throwing for 300+ yards.

Missouri might have been the 4th best team in the Big XII...

[svhorns]

that was his 2nd no?

that was Wasson who beat us... I think Daniel lost to Katy at the Alamodome... is that right?

[SLC]

that was his 2nd no?

No.

He lost the Big 12 title there and the state title there.. And then tonite he finally won.

He has won 2 regular season games there though.

[SLC]

that was Wasson who beat us... I think Daniel lost to Katy at the Alamodome... is that right?

That is correct.

[steeler 01]

Missouri might have been the 4th best team in the Big XII...

4th or 5th best team. I'm leaning towards the 5th best team, but not much separates them from Oklahoma State. Who didn't beat a quality opponent all season long. Oklahoma States signature win is against Mizzou.:eek:

[SLC]

Missouri might have been the 4th best team in the Big XII...

..:rolleyes:..OK..:D

[svhorns]

That is correct.

I'll take High School Sports for 400 Alex

[SLC]

I'll take High School Sports for 400 Alex

hahaha.. I hear ya..:D

[Texasfrog]

Chalk one up for the Big-12.;)

Northwestern (9-3) and #4th Big-10 team.

Mizzou (9-4) and #5th or #6 Big-12 team.

NW averaged 25 pts a game during the regular season. Only got 23 pts against Mizzou. So much for weak, no defense Big-12 teams.;)

Next up....;)

[chunky79]

No.

He lost the Big 12 title there and the state title there.. And then tonite he finally won.

He has won 2 regular season games there though.


wanna help me out with the two regular season games? someone on the katy board didnt think he had won there ever.

[chunky79]

Maclin is a man among boys

[dragons08]

wanna help me out with the two regular season games? someone on the katy board didnt think he had won there ever.

I think the only game was Midland Lee back in '04 that I can think of.

[svhorns]

wanna help me out with the two regular season games? someone on the katy board didnt think he had won there ever.

The Katy board sucks

[chunky79]

I think the only game was Midland Lee back in '04 that I can think of.

yea, i thought he had only won one game there prior to tonight

[CKE]

No.

He lost the Big 12 title there and the state title there.. And then tonite he finally won.

He has won 2 regular season games there though.

I thought he was a sophomore WR in 2002

[chunky79]

I thought he was a sophomore WR in 2002

yes, he was a back up WR in 2002

[dragons08]

I thought he was a sophomore WR in 2002

Truth, so the CD Alamo Dome History

02- State Title Win vs SV as WR
03- State Title Loss vs Katy as QB
04- Regular Season Win vs Midland Lee as QB

07- Big 12 Champ Loss vs Ou as QB
08- Valero Alamo Bowl Win vs Northwestern as QB

[chunky79]

Truth, so the CD Alamo Dome History

02- State Title Win vs SV as WR
03- State Title Loss vs Katy as QB
04- Regular Season Win vs Midland Lee as QB

07- Big 12 Champ Loss vs Ou as QB
08- Valero Alamo Bowl Win vs Northwestern as QB

as a player he is 3-2..as a starter he is 2-2...good info

[lonny23]

I wish I could see the Daniel Clan one more freaking time...

dumbest thing ever.

Always reminds me of Ms Kurt Warner with the spikey hair.

Who gives a rip...?
Yes, that scene has been way overplayed.

[lonny23]

The Daniel's are very good people.
We're not saying they're bad people. I've met them and they're nice. We're just saying it makes no sense to show them about 10 times every Mizzou game. I don't even think we need to see Jessica Simpson 10 times a game.

I'm all for showing pictures of the family and I'm glad they're at every game, but we don't want to see them every game. I don't want to see anybody's family on TV at every game.

[lonny23]

Missouri might have been the 4th best team in the Big XII...
OU
Tech
UT
OSU

were better.

KU and Nebraska can argue about it.

[lonny23]

wanna help me out with the two regular season games? someone on the katy board didnt think he had won there ever.SLC has played in the Dave Campbell Classic there.

[steeler 01]

Chalk one up for the Big-12.;)

Northwestern (9-3) and #4th Big-10 team.

Mizzou (9-4) and #5th or #6 Big-12 team.

NW averaged 25 pts a game during the regular season. Only got 23 pts against Mizzou. So much for weak, no defense Big-12 teams.;)

Next up....;)

Mizzou was the 5th best team in the Big 12 with no debate. They were very close to being the 4th best team in the Big 12. Watch Oregon score 35+ with ease on OSU. Oregon is gonna have their way with that defense.;):D

[SLC]

wanna help me out with the two regular season games? someone on the katy board didnt think he had won there ever.


Well let me clarify.. He was a WR in one win and a QB in one win..

So just 1-2 as a QB..And 2-2 as a player overall.

[SLC]

I think the only game was Midland Lee back in '04 that I can think of.

As a QB, that is correct.

[SLC]

I thought he was a sophomore WR in 2002


He was, I was including that in the 2, but I should have clarified between the game as a WR and the game as a QB.

[SLC]

Truth, so the CD Alamo Dome History

02- State Title Win vs SV as WR
03- State Title Loss vs Katy as QB
04- Regular Season Win vs Midland Lee as QB

07- Big 12 Champ Loss vs Ou as QB
08- Valero Alamo Bowl Win vs Northwestern as QB

And there we have it...

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Every QB looks like a Heisman candidate against those big 12 defenses. The Northwestern QB had his best game of his life. Throwing for 300+ yards.

Mizzou has the 7th ranked Pass-Eff. Defense in the BXII! Northwestern comes in with the 27th ranked Pass-Eff. Defense in the Nation.

Pass Efficiency Defense

OU - 41st
Texas - 59th
Texas Tech - 66th
Kansas - 70th
Colorado - 73rd
Oklahoma State - 75th
Mizzou - 80th
Baylor - 87th
Nebraska - 89th
KSU - 92nd
A&M - 107th
ISU - 117th

I don't care if you're the back-up on a 3A THSFB team... if your regular season ends on Nov. 22 and you have 1 month and 7 days to prepare for the 80th ranked Pass-Eff. Defense, there's a pretty good chance you're going to see success. Mizzou finished their season on Dec. 6th... two weeks after NW. And Bacher is arguably the 2nd or 3rd best passing QB in the Big Ten (Some would argue he's the best pure passer of all the current Big Ten QB's... which aint sayin' a whole lot!).

All of this said...
Mizzou has a solid defense that could do very well vs about 85-90% of FBS schools.

[lonny23]

Mizzou has the 7th ranked Pass-Eff. Defense in the BXII! Northwestern comes in with the 27th ranked Pass-Eff. Defense in the Nation.

Pass Efficiency Defense

OU - 41st
Texas - 59th
Texas Tech - 66th
Kansas - 70th
Colorado - 73rd
Oklahoma State - 75th
Mizzou - 80th
Baylor - 87th
Nebraska - 89th
KSU - 92nd
A&M - 107th
ISU - 117th

I don't care if you're the back-up on a 3A THSFB team... if your regular season ends on Nov. 22 and you have 1 month and 7 days to prepare for the 80th ranked Pass-Eff. Defense, there's a pretty good chance you're going to see success. Mizzou finished their season on Dec. 6th... two weeks after NW. And Bacher is arguably the 2nd or 3rd best passing QB in the Big Ten (Some would argue he's the best pure passer of all the current Big Ten QB's... which aint sayin' a whole lot!).

All of this said...
Mizzou has a solid defense that could do very well vs about 85-90% of FBS schools. Mizzou played bad and was -2 in turnovers and won. That just tells me they underachieved and still beat a ranked team from the Big 10. I don't think NW is that good, but they were ranked.

[ktCarl]

This probably was discussed somewhere else but, does anyone else besides me think that Chase won't make it as a pro QB? I could be wrong but I just didn't anything from him to wow the scouts.

[F18mustang]

This probably was discussed somewhere else but, does anyone else besides me think that Chase won't make it as a pro QB? I could be wrong but I just didn't anything from him to wow the scouts.

He fits the Drew Brees mold. Chase might even have more mobility than Drew.

[SLC]

This probably was discussed somewhere else but, does anyone else besides me think that Chase won't make it as a pro QB? I could be wrong but I just didn't anything from him to wow the scouts.


It will be difficult for him to play in the NFL..The linemen arent any shorter there.. And nobody runs the spread where the linemen have 1yd splits between them, to open passing lanes for him. I know it worked out real well for Brees and Flute, but they are 2 QB's of the thousands that have come through the NFL.. He may be able to be a solid backup though. First he will have to get serious consideration from any of the teams. I'm fairly sure he wont be drafted, so that will leave him signing as a free agent. He will likely be invited to camp for someone and maybe even making the scout team/practice squad.. From there anything could happen, but again I'm not sure he would be a starting QB.

Chase would make an outstanding coach for any level if he wanted to. He may be more geared toward business though.

[KT2000]

He fits the Drew Brees mold. Chase might even have more mobility than Drew.

I don't think Daniel is anywhere near the natural passer that Brees was/is.

[jtk1519]

I don't think Daniel is anywhere near the natural passer that Brees was/is.

This. Daniel reminds me more of Drew Tate, just chubbier.

[DragonFan0316]

Stop already with the cheap shots at his physique. He is a good athlete and faster than people think. His major contributions are his brains and leadership ability. I would like to see him play on Sundays but I would also like to see him come back to coach SLC. One way or the other he will flourish in the board room or on the athletic field. We are proud of you Chase.:notworthy:notworthy

[ThEgReAtOnE]

This. Daniel reminds me more of Drew Tate, just chubbier.

This. A fat rebel w/o a cause. He's short, he's a system QB (HS/Coll) and he doesn't seem to read the 3rd level well enough to be an effective disperser of the ball. Plus, he's played down a step, from last year.

Word is there's NFL teams interested in seeing him in a pro-typical setting, but (IMO) his potential may be legendary only in Canada.

[jtk1519]

Chase will go down as one of the better college QBs and probably the best QB in Mizzou history and that is a lot to be proud of. He has virtually no shot at the NFL though. He just doesn't make NFL throws. I was taken aback last night by how poor his arm is. The velocity is weak and that led to a couple of his INTs. He doesn't read defenses well and if you watch him carefully, his accuracy plummets once he gets past his first two reads. The fact that he will measure 5'11 will hurt him, but the reality is that he just doesn't have the physical tools to play in the NFL. Daniel is the next Drew Tate or Chris Leak.

[Texasfrog]

This. A fat rebel w/o a cause. He's short, he's a system QB (HS/Coll) and he doesn't seem to read the 3rd level well enough to be an effective disperser of the ball. Plus, he's played down a step, from last year.

Word is there's NFL teams interested in seeing him in a pro-typical setting, but (IMO) his potential may be legendary only in Canada.

Ya, I would say the CFL or even Arena Leauge if he wants to go that route.

I would say he's NFL chances arent very strong.

[steeler 01]

Mizzou has the 7th ranked Pass-Eff. Defense in the BXII! Northwestern comes in with the 27th ranked Pass-Eff. Defense in the Nation.

Pass Efficiency Defense

OU - 41st
Texas - 59th
Texas Tech - 66th
Kansas - 70th
Colorado - 73rd
Oklahoma State - 75th
Mizzou - 80th
Baylor - 87th
Nebraska - 89th
KSU - 92nd
A&M - 107th
ISU - 117th


All of this said...
Mizzou has a solid defense that could do very well vs about 85-90% of FBS schools. This is a joke.

[BDB]

[/B]This is a joke.

eh. the 80th "best" pass defense got exploited by a northwestern team that wins games by not making mistakes. i'm not suprised.

or we can go with my nephews reason... it's the white shoes, it makes them fast :laugh.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

[/B]This is a joke.

Umm... they have the 37th best rush defense in the Nation. They have a rush defense that would be ranked 3rd in the Pac-10, 5th in the BXII and 6th in SEC. DE-Sulak, DT-Hood, S-Moore and LB-Weatherspoon will all be playing (and likely starting) in the NFL on Sundays. They struggled w/ OU, Texas, Oklahoma State, Kansas and Northwestern. All Top 25 teams (3 are Top 15), IMO!

No, it's not a joke.

[ktCarl]

Stop already with the cheap shots at his physique. He is a good athlete and faster than people think. His major contributions are his brains and leadership ability. I would like to see him play on Sundays but I would also like to see him come back to coach SLC. One way or the other he will flourish in the board room or on the athletic field. We are proud of you Chase.:notworthy:notworthy

Well, I'm not being critical in a mean spirited way. I was hoping he would show more (always cheering for Texas boys) but I don't think he's big enough nor passes well enough for a pro QB. He would be a legend going back to Carroll to coach.

[Band Dad 79]

Well, I'm not being critical in a mean spirited way. I was hoping he would show more (always cheering for Texas boys) but I don't think he's big enough nor passes well enough for a pro QB. He would be a legend going back to Carroll to coach.

Your point is well taken and I probably agree with you. But none of us can measure what is between our ears or the size our our hearts. That will be something for Chase to demonstrate if he gets the opportunity at the next level. After watching him for the last seven years, I would not rule anything out. The young man is a special person and will be successful whichever direction he chooses.

As someone who grew up in St. Louis watching Missouri football, I waited almost 50 years for the Tigers to have a chance at winning a national championship. We had great hopes for this being the season after such a great year last year. It was a joy to call my Nebraska fans and tell them that I had waited 30 years for the lopsided win over the Cornhuskers.

Gary Pinkle also got a contract extension and large raise this year. He was a .500 coach at Missouri prior to Chase. Coach Pinkle was not very far away from being fired before Chase took over.

Quarterbacks and Head Coaches get way too much credit when thing go well and too much blame when things do not go well. I am very biased, but Chase took Missouri to a new level where they had not been for almost 50 years.

Thank you to Chase for giving this old guy seven years of Dragon magic and taking the Tigers to new levels.

[SLC]

We're not saying they're bad people. I've met them and they're nice. We're just saying it makes no sense to show them about 10 times every Mizzou game. I don't even think we need to see Jessica Simpson 10 times a game.

I'm all for showing pictures of the family and I'm glad they're at every game, but we don't want to see them every game. I don't want to see anybody's family on TV at every game.

The family didnt have a control to the camera, making it show them the entire game.

[steeler 01]

Mizzou was the 5th best team in the Big 12 with no debate. They were very close to being the 4th best team in the Big 12. Watch Oregon score 35+ with ease on OSU. Oregon is gonna have their way with that defense.;):D

Is Frog in the house? They Were Who I thought They Were. Big12 defense=rubbish

[chunky79]

Stop already with the cheap shots at his physique. He is a good athlete and faster than people think. His major contributions are his brains and leadership ability. I would like to see him play on Sundays but I would also like to see him come back to coach SLC. One way or the other he will flourish in the board room or on the athletic field. We are proud of you Chase.:notworthy:notworthy

he's short and has some extra weight to carry. he's more of a coach than a no fun league player

[yankee]

Is Frog in the house? They Were Who I thought They Were. Big12 defense=rubbish

dude, you're f'n brilliant! please, spew more of your pac 10 dominance over the big 12!

[steeler 01]

dude, you're f'n brilliant! please, spew more of your pac 10 dominance over the big 12!

No one is spewing Pac 10 dominance. Just saying how the Big 12 had 2 elite teams, and the rest were middle of the pack teams. 2 Elite teams does not make the conference uber tough. Like so many have claimed before tonights game.

[lonny23]

No one is spewing Pac 10 dominance. Just saying how the Big 12 had 2 elite teams, and the rest were middle of the pack teams. 2 Elite teams does not make the conference uber tough. Like so many have claimed before tonights game.
The Big 12 had 3.

[steeler 01]

The Big 12 had 3.

I don't think TT is elite either. Their gonna have a hard time in their bowl game. I think Ole Miss is gonna run on them and keep their offense off the field. Should be a very good game.

[Firebird]

I don't think TT is elite either. Their gonna have a hard time in their bowl game. I think Ole Miss is gonna run on them and keep their offense off the field. Should be a very good game.

They're. Tech is going to thump Ole Miss.

[steeler 01]

They're. Tech is going to thump Ole Miss.
Wager on the game?

[steeler 01]

Umm... they have the 37th best rush defense in the Nation. They have a rush defense that would be ranked 3rd in the Pac-10, 5th in the BXII and 6th in SEC. DE-Sulak, DT-Hood, S-Moore and LB-Weatherspoon will all be playing (and likely starting) in the NFL on Sundays. They struggled w/ OU, Texas, Oklahoma State, Kansas and Northwestern. All Top 25 teams (3 are Top 15), IMO!

No, it's not a joke.

They have the 37th rush defense, because teams decide to throw the ball on them. Kansas is not a top 25 team in the country. Oklahoma State is somewhere in the 15-20 range.

[BDB]

didn't okie lite prove they were middle of the pack by accepting a bid to the holiday bowl?


btw, i think texas' decimation as of late of the pac-10 reeeeeally leaves little room for any pro-wack10 talk here.

anyone remember "RUUUUUUUUUUUUUDY RUUUUUUUUUUUUDY RUUUUUUUUUUUDY"

and didn't tcehlahoma thump cal after they whined about not being invited to the rose bowl in 05? back when the wack10 was "respectable"?

[steeler 01]

[QUOTE=elprezidente;1079952]didn't okie lite prove they were middle of the pack by accepting a bid to the holiday bowl?

[QUOTE]

Funny, just a month ago. You were telling me how Okie Lite would crush USC.:eek:

[BDB]

[QUOTE=elprezidente;1079952]didn't okie lite prove they were middle of the pack by accepting a bid to the holiday bowl?

[QUOTE]

Funny, just a month ago. You were telling me how Okie Lite would crush USC.:eek:

a month ago i was under the impression okie lite would beat either tceh or zerou.

[lonny23]

[QUOTE=steeler 01;1079965][QUOTE=elprezidente;1079952]didn't okie lite prove they were middle of the pack by accepting a bid to the holiday bowl?



a month ago i was under the impression okie lite would beat either tceh or zerou.
Surely, all the talk he's referring to is you thinking Okie Lite was great after the close game in Austin. It surely can't be after:

Tech 39 UT 33
Tech 56 OSU 20
OU 61 OSU 41

[BDB]

[QUOTE=elprezidente;1080007][QUOTE=steeler 01;1079965]
Surely, all the talk he's referring to is you thinking Okie Lite was great after the close game in Austin. It surely can't be after:

Tech 39 UT 33
Tech 56 OSU 20
OU 61 OSU 41

i didn't think they were great, but i thought they were going to be tougher.

imo, that texas loss really deflated the team. it's hard to run through texas, tceh, and zerou with a loss after the first game.

would you say okie lite was better or worse then mizzou (since zerou proved head to head doesn't count)