Who is the team of the decade (so far) 2000-2009. Only non Katy/SLC fans can vote.

[twcpfan1]

Katy or SLC


Then can we move on to 2009? :D

Crap I messed up the poll question. I meant 2000 - 2009

[chunky79]

2009-2009? haha

[chunky79]

katy and slc posters will still vote

[twcpfan1]

2009-2009? haha


Yep I messed up

[rancher52]

I would have to defer my vote until the end of the 2009 season .... that is the only way to get the answer for the entire decade.

[SLC]

You should have made it to 08.. and just said "thus far".. not team of the decade..

Also lets put the 05 Carroll team vs the 07 Katy team.

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

So far, no doubt in my mind, SLC wins it hands down because of how they won their state championships and what they accomplished.

[twcpfan1]

You should have made it to 08.. and just said "thus far".. not team of the decade..

Also lets put the 05 Carroll team vs the 07 Katy team.

On paper 05 Carroll looks stronger. But there is no doubt in my mind that if they actually played, it could go either way.

[SLC]

Nice job katy09.

[SLC]

On paper 05 Carroll looks stronger. But there is no doubt in my mind that if they actually played, it could go either way.

Can you add it to the poll?

And Carroll would roll em.

[chunky79]

Nice job katy09.

told ya

[chunky79]

Can you add it to the poll?

And Carroll would roll em.

no team would roll, it would be a close game

[wesaxman34]

I can't remember who said this (it may have been Dr. Ed), but the thing that makes SLC the better program of the decade was their dominance week in and out. Katy was dominant too, but it doesn't match what Dodge was able to do in his tenure at Carroll.

[SLC]

told ya


And it was one of your people.. Damn.. Can they read?:D

[SLC]

no team would roll, it would be a close game


No 05 or 06 Carroll would beat that team.

[chunky79]

And it was one of your people.. Damn.. Can they read?:D

we're all a bunch of rednecks who cant read

[chunky79]

No 05 or 06 Carroll would beat that team.

i say it could go either way, but they wouldnt "roll"

[SLC]

we're all a bunch of rednecks who cant read

Ha.. I was just kidding..:D

[SLC]

i say it could go either way, but they wouldnt "roll"

Ok.. we'd just win.

[chunky79]

Ha.. I was just kidding..:D

if katy knows about a poll, katy will vote. you build it and they will come

[AE 8008]

gotta go with Carroll, especially running through gauntlets like in 2004, trinity in 06, etc, and the way they absolutely annhilated teams week in and week out. i htink there has always been a respect for katy, but there was a silent fear of Carroll. they beat most of their opponents before they got off the bus

[chunky79]

Ok.. we'd just win.

that's your opinion

[SLC]

that's your opinion

Of course.

[twcpfan1]

I think I will abstain on this one until next year. While Carroll has slightly more impressive championships because of the undefeated runs and tougher schedule, Katy are wrapping up the decade as having the much better system in as much as they are not as dependent on talent as Carroll is.

[Satchel]

Shoot, i dont think its any contest. Katys fine but SLC is a legend.

[chunky79]

Shoot, i dont think its any contest. Katys fine but SLC is a legend.


hahahahahahaha

[rellufnalla]

It's a good thing you did not say Katy and SLC fans couldn't post otherwise this could end up being a very short thread.

[twcpfan1]

It's a good thing you did not say Katy and SLC fans couldn't post otherwise this could end up being a very short thread.

Essentially, it's the number of votes that we're after. :D

[rwilleby]

Katy or SLC


Then can we move on to 2009? :D

Crap I messed up the poll question. I meant 2000 - 2009

You must be from Region 2! :)

[SLC]

You must be from Region 2! :)

:D...Very nice.. well played sir.:cool:

[TBONE0127]

All,

Realistically this will not be determined untill after next year; up til' now its a toss up; SCL had more of a dominance but as of this year KATY has one addition win - lets see how next year goes.

With Dodge gone on to bigger and better things and Joesph still in Katy I have a hunch that katy will have a competitive year in 09.

SLC is a class act prgram and this certianly makes for great suspence. This is what and why Texas football is all about and makes it better than most other states. The competition and prgrams are awesome

TBone0127

[twcpfan1]

You must be from Region 2! :)


Top to bottom, Region 2 might have more good teams than the other 3.

But heck, I'm ready to move on anyway.

[wesaxman34]

You should've let us see who voted for who so we know that SLC and Katy fans didn't vote. :rolleyes:

[twcpfan1]

You should've let us see who voted for who so we know that SLC and Katy fans didn't vote. :rolleyes:

I did. It's a public poll. Click on the number of votes. You need to be logged in though I think.

[wesaxman34]

I did. It's a public poll. Click on the number of votes. You need to be logged in though I think.

I failed.

[SLC]

I failed.

Trinity?







:D:D

[wesaxman34]

Trinity?







:D:D

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Back at ya. ;)

[SLC]

http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0918/pg2_miaminw_195.jpg

Back at ya. ;)

Thanks bro....;)

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[wesaxman34]

Thanks bro....;)

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I can go all night...:D

[SLC]

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I can go all night...:D

Indeed...:)

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[wesaxman34]

Indeed...:)

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[SLC]

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/angry019.gif

:D:notworthy

[Mong Hu]

I would say Katy. The first criteria I would look at would be total 5A state championships each team has four. I would also look at number of finals appearances, each team has five this decade. The next criteria would be playoff wins. Katy has made it to the Quarter finals every year except 2001. SLC has failed to make it to the quarter finals for the past two years. Being that the first two criteria were equal this last would tip the scale in Katy's favor. This does not take into account strength of schedule, national championships, or margins of victory all of which may tip the scale in favor of SLC. It also has to be made with the understanding that we are still short one year of football. Next year could make the debate easier to resolve but then again lets not get ahead of ourselves, or is that what we always do on this board?

[Mong Hu]

Shoot, Didn't read the question to the end. I voted and would categorize myself as a Katy fan. Sorry. I am one of those Katy fans that has always had trouble reading and writing.

[ATXChap07]

Katy or SLC


Then can we move on to 2009? :D

Crap I messed up the poll question. I meant 2000 - 2009

Do you mean program of the decade or team of the decade? Program of the decade goes to Todd Dodge and SLC. Team of the decade goes to the incredible 03 Northshore team

[WOS87]

Hmmm..... There's one major problem with this thread. How do you verify that those who have voted are neither SLC nor Katy homers??

[ATXChap07]

Hmmm..... There's one major problem with this thread. How do you verify that those who have voted are neither SLC nor Katy homers??

if you click on the number of votes, it tells you who voted where

[SLC]

if you click on the number of votes, it tells you who voted where


So far 2 Katy fans, 1 Katy bandwagoner and 1 Carroll fan.

[stevefoxsc]

if you mean in this decade who is the best team between those two, i'll go with SLC.

[Bass]

So far 2 Katy fans, 1 Katy bandwagoner and 1 Carroll fan.

I say we negate any Wylie votes while we're at it... Carroll 15, Katy 8.

[SLC]

I say we negate any Wylie votes while we're at it... Carroll 15, Katy 8.


Why negate Wylie votes?

[SLC]

if you mean in this decade who is the best team between those two, i'll go with SLC.

Make sure you vote stevo.

[chunky79]

Do you mean program of the decade or team of the decade? Program of the decade goes to Todd Dodge and SLC. Team of the decade goes to the incredible 03 Northshore team

katy has one more win that slc
if katy wins in 09, katy is better program, hands down

[SLC]

katy has one more win that slc
if katy wins in 09, katy is better program, hands down

Carroll has played the tougher opponents, more ranked opponents, 5 straight title appearences, 4 titles, 3 in a row, and dominated all their seasons by going undefeated all 4 times.

If Carroll wins in '09 it's Carroll by a mile.

[chunky79]

Carroll has played the tougher opponents, more ranked opponents, 5 straight title appearences, 4 titles, 3 in a row, and dominated all their seasons by going undefeated all 4 times.

If Carroll wins in '09 it's Carroll by a mile.

i agree...but only if katy doesnt win with them. if both win, we are back to where we started

[ALLENFANDINGO5]

Lets say that from 2000-to present which team would win each years head to head matchup. Im expecting some good facts SLCisbetterthanyou. As a nuetral, my vote went to SLC soley on the consecutive wins and back to back to back.

[4rings]

Carroll has played the tougher opponents, more ranked opponents, 5 straight title appearences, 4 titles, 3 in a row, and dominated all their seasons by going undefeated all 4 times.

If Carroll wins in '09 it's Carroll by a mile.

couldn't have said it better. :notworthy

[Dallascaper]

Perhaps it’s the mathematician in me, but I am not counting 2000 as part of this decade, which leaves us two more seasons - I will pass judgment in December 2010. But for the decade so far, I'm leaning toward SLC, though Katy is making a strong case.

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

katy has one more win that slc
if katy wins in 09, katy is better program, hands down
It's not quantity but QUALITY. We may never see what SLC accomplished in their run ever again.

[chunky79]

Lets say that from 2000-to present which team would win each years head to head matchup. Im expecting some good facts SLCisbetterthanyou. As a nuetral, my vote went to SLC soley on the consecutive wins and back to back to back.

2000 - katy
2001 - toss-up
2002 - slc
2003 - katy
2004 - slc
2005 - slc
2006 - slc
2007 - katy
2008 - katy
2009 - i say katy, they say slc ... so toss-up

so that's 4-4-2 ... tied

[SLC]

So far 2 Katy, 1 Katy bandwagoner and 2 Carroll.


And we arent negating Wylie's votes, which is the oddest thing I've heard on this thread, and thats saying something because Chunky is posting on here.

[chunky79]

So far 2 Katy, 1 Katy bandwagoner and 2 Carroll.


And we arent negating Wylie's votes, which is the oddest thing I've heard on this thread, and thats saying something because Chunky is posting on here.

chunky hater

[SLC]

chunky hater


Ooops...um..my bad.. Didnt know you were in here.:o

:D:D

[SLC]

So far 6 Katy people, 1 Katy bandwagoner, and 2 Carroll people.

As it stands right now..

Carroll 24

Katy 11

[farmerfan]

Carroll

The titles are equal but the way Carroll did it is what seperates itself from others. Its kind of like the Cowboys, Steelers and 49er debates. Everybody knows that the most storied franchise in the NFL is the Dallas Cowboys. Carrolls run this decade can't be touched. Factor in that they are from DFW then you have your answer ;)

[chunky79]

So far 6 Katy people, 1 Katy bandwagoner, and 2 Carroll people.

As it stands right now..

Carroll 24

Katy 11

its a good thing the posters dont decide who is better

[wesaxman34]

So far 6 Katy people, 1 Katy bandwagoner, and 2 Carroll people.

As it stands right now..

Carroll 24

Katy 11

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[wesaxman34]

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[BlakeJ]

Might as well add a poll.

Who is the better team in the AFC East....Pats or Dolphins. (Only Jets fans can vote)

Of course they will pick the Dolphins...Jets fans hate the Pats. :rolleyes:

Useless thread in my opinion.

[twcpfan1]

Might as well add a poll.

Who is the better team in the AFC East....Pats or Dolphins. (Only Jets fans can vote)

Of course they will pick the Dolphins...Jets fans hate the Pats. :rolleyes:

Useless thread in my opinion.

So who do you think the SLC and Katy fans would vote for? I think it's your post that is all sorts of fail.

[twcpfan1]

Carroll

The titles are equal but the way Carroll did it is what seperates itself from others. Its kind of like the Cowboys, Steelers and 49er debates. Everybody knows that the most storied franchise in the NFL is the Dallas Cowboys. Carrolls run this decade can't be touched. Factor in that they are from DFW then you have your answer ;)

Of course, one could also argue that the latter half of Katy's back to back championship is equally impressive. Basically 2 in a row for the same program with each team having completely different personnel

[oldmojo94]

katy's run has been slightly more sustained. slc is done. 2-3 losses from here on out.

[SLC]

its a good thing the posters dont decide who is better


Someone decides it.. Who?

[BlakeJ]

So who do you think the SLC and Katy fans would vote for? I think it's your post that is all sorts of fail.

I'm just saying, that it's pretty obvious that there are ALOT more Katy haters than realists outside of the Katy fanbase. You know...I know...we all know what the results of this poll were going to be when stating fans from these teams cant vote.

[SLC]

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That fail at reading for sure...

[SLC]

I'm just saying, that it's pretty obvious that there are ALOT more Katy haters than realists outside of the Katy fanbase. You know...I know...we all know what the results of this poll were going to be when stating fans from these teams cant vote.

So if the results dont reflect Katy being the best, then everyone who votes for Carroll is a "Katy Hater"?

And if fans from each team could vote, what do you think the results would say?

[cyfallsbooster2]

I think I will abstain on this one until next year. While Carroll has slightly more impressive championships because of the undefeated runs and tougher schedule, Katy are wrapping up the decade as having the much better system in as much as they are not as dependent on talent as Carroll is.

That's not quite true. They have tremendous tallent at EVERY position. Not just 6-8 positions like the rest of us may be lucky enough to get every few years. Look at their rb's, receivers, LINEMEN, dl, lb's. Their qb's are not always a Luck, Gray, Sheppard, etc, but they are always solid enough. Katy has so much more talent across the board than the rest of us year in and year out. Are they D1 or Blue Chip (if that is even used anymore), maybe so, maybe not. If Joseph pushed it a little more, maybe they would be. But, trying to say they do not have more talent at ALL positions than most teams is just a smoke screen. But, what they do with that talent, year in and year out is simply amazing. They are very solid in the talent area, but not a Hightower or NS or Humble. But they have the talent to win every year and the program to go along with it.

[cyfallsbooster2]

Might as well add a poll.

Who is the better team in the AFC East....Pats or Dolphins. (Only Jets fans can vote)

Of course they will pick the Dolphins...Jets fans hate the Pats. :rolleyes:

Useless thread in my opinion.

Why useless? Why not hear what the rest of the fans in the State have to say rather than just the Katy and SLC fans? Are you saying that because you are afraid that Katy may loose this poll?:eek:

[cyfallsbooster2]

I'm just saying, that it's pretty obvious that there are ALOT more Katy haters than realists outside of the Katy fanbase. You know...I know...we all know what the results of this poll were going to be when stating fans from these teams cant vote.

Why do fans of Katy and SLC think the rest of us "hate" the programs? Most of us admire and envy the two programs. Hell, all they do is win! What happens is Katy and SLC fans translate our distaste for many of the arrogant fans of the two programs into a "hate" of the programs. Just look at your posts on this particular thread. THIS is what the rest of us get sick of. THIS is what we "hate" on.;)

And by the way, I hold more respect for the Katy program than the South Lake program. Check my vote.:cool:

[cyfallsbooster2]

I'm just saying, that it's pretty obvious that there are ALOT more Katy haters than realists outside of the Katy fanbase. You know...I know...we all know what the results of this poll were going to be when stating fans from these teams cant vote.

Point in fact. Only Katy fans are realists. The rest of us are haters.

Young boy or girl, you have been reading too many of the wrong Katy posts. Check out the likes of ktcarl, miss kitty, katyfan52, db86, rwilleby, poolman, and a FEW others. They will keep you grounded.

[twcpfan1]

I'm just saying, that it's pretty obvious that there are ALOT more Katy haters than realists outside of the Katy fanbase. You know...I know...we all know what the results of this poll were going to be when stating fans from these teams cant vote.

Historically SLC probably has as many if not more 'haters' than Katy. You should have been here in 2006 as well as the weeks leading up to the MNW game and after they lost to Abilene last year. Carroll has their wealth for people to hate on as well as their football. Not to mention the blonde playoff tradition.

[twcpfan1]

That's not quite true. They have tremendous tallent at EVERY position. Not just 6-8 positions like the rest of us may be lucky enough to get every few years. Look at their rb's, receivers, LINEMEN, dl, lb's. Their qb's are not always a Luck, Gray, Sheppard, etc, but they are always solid enough. Katy has so much more talent across the board than the rest of us year in and year out. Are they D1 or Blue Chip (if that is even used anymore), maybe so, maybe not. If Joseph pushed it a little more, maybe they would be. But, trying to say they do not have more talent at ALL positions than most teams is just a smoke screen. But, what they do with that talent, year in and year out is simply amazing. They are very solid in the talent area, but not a Hightower or NS or Humble. But they have the talent to win every year and the program to go along with it.

True you have to have talent to win. All I'm saying is they are most capable of any program out there of winning a game against a team with more talent than them.

[cyfallsbooster2]

True you have to have talent to win. All I'm saying is they are most capable of any program out there of winning a game against a team with more talent than them.

That's what I am getting at. I do not see where other teams have MORE talent than Katy. Other teams may have a few individuals with more talent in most years, but across the board, Katy has more talent.

Take it position by position.

Your or Katy's qb?

Your or Katy's rb?

Your or Katy's receivers?

Your or Katy's ol?

Your or Katy's dl?

Your or Katy's lb's?

Your or Katy's db's?

Except for a FEW individuals, I bet most teams would have to admit Katy's kids are pretty darn talented.

[twcpfan1]

That's what I am getting at. I do not see where other teams have MORE talent than Katy. Other teams may have a few individuals with more talent in most years, but across the board, Katy has more talent.

Take it position by position.

Your or Katy's qb?

Your or Katy's rb?

Your or Katy's receivers?

Your or Katy's ol?

Your or Katy's dl?

Your or Katy's lb's?

Your or Katy's db's?

Except for a FEW individuals, I bet most teams would have to admit Katy's kids are pretty darn talented.

I guess it begs the question - are they actually more talented or do their coaches just do the best job of getting the most out of their players and have their players gelling together. Weber and Ray did not look that good in Week 1 but looked very good by the time they got to the state semis.

[b.man]

Katy are wrapping up the decade as having the much better system in as much as they are not as dependent on talent as Carroll is.

Or as dependent on one coach it would seem.

[SLC]

8 Katy people, 1 Katy bandwagoner and 2 Carroll people.

[katyfan52]

Why do fans of Katy and SLC think the rest of us "hate" the programs? Most of us admire and envy the two programs. Hell, all they do is win! What happens is Katy and SLC fans translate our distaste for many of the arrogant fans of the two programs into a "hate" of the programs. Just look at your posts on this particular thread. THIS is what the rest of us get sick of. THIS is what we "hate" on.;)

And by the way, I hold more respect for the Katy program than the South Lake program. Check my vote.:cool:
Good post. Some of the new crop of Katy fans seem to have forgotten about being gracious winners. I think both teams are fortunate to be in a conversation such as this, and with this honor should come responsibility, and maybe a little bit of humility. ;)

[katyfan52]

Point in fact. Only Katy fans are realists. The rest of us are haters.

Young boy or girl, you have been reading too many of the wrong Katy posts. Check out the likes of ktcarl, miss kitty, katyfan52, db86, rwilleby, poolman, and a FEW others. They will keep you grounded.]
Well if I'd read this post I might not have responded to the one before. :D

[katyfan52]

That's not quite true. They have tremendous tallent at EVERY position. Not just 6-8 positions like the rest of us may be lucky enough to get every few years. Look at their rb's, receivers, LINEMEN, dl, lb's. Their qb's are not always a Luck, Gray, Sheppard, etc, but they are always solid enough. Katy has so much more talent across the board than the rest of us year in and year out. Are they D1 or Blue Chip (if that is even used anymore), maybe so, maybe not. If Joseph pushed it a little more, maybe they would be. But, trying to say they do not have more talent at ALL positions than most teams is just a smoke screen. But, what they do with that talent, year in and year out is simply amazing. They are very solid in the talent area, but not a Hightower or NS or Humble. But they have the talent to win every year and the program to go along with it.
I don't think it's so much that we have more talent year in and year out, but our coaches seem to know how to get the most out of each player year in and year out. I have heard others more knowledgeable than myself say that with that ability our system doesn't require individual talent in conventional terms to win consistently. In other words the system makes the boys more talented than they would have been without it. I hope I said that right. :D

[tigerowl06]

Right on. Football is as much or more about lack of deficiencies as it is about having great strengths, and that's especially true about defense, IMO. The "we're not as talented as everyone else" is largely locker-room talk designed to motivate the team, and partly perception because a team of good players can just be boring, unless you know how to appreciate such a thing.

As for the poll, it's all in the eye of the beholder, and invariably comes down to projecting the outcomes of match-ups that will never happen. Do you like an increadible burst of dominance, or somewhat more sustained success? Kind of refelcts the first part of this post, actually.

That's not quite true. They have tremendous tallent at EVERY position. Not just 6-8 positions like the rest of us may be lucky enough to get every few years. Look at their rb's, receivers, LINEMEN, dl, lb's. Their qb's are not always a Luck, Gray, Sheppard, etc, but they are always solid enough. Katy has so much more talent across the board than the rest of us year in and year out. Are they D1 or Blue Chip (if that is even used anymore), maybe so, maybe not. If Joseph pushed it a little more, maybe they would be. But, trying to say they do not have more talent at ALL positions than most teams is just a smoke screen. But, what they do with that talent, year in and year out is simply amazing. They are very solid in the talent area, but not a Hightower or NS or Humble. But they have the talent to win every year and the program to go along with it.

[ATXChap07]

That's what I am getting at. I do not see where other teams have MORE talent than Katy. Other teams may have a few individuals with more talent in most years, but across the board, Katy has more talent.

Take it position by position.

Your or Katy's qb?

Your or Katy's rb?

Your or Katy's receivers?

Your or Katy's ol?

Your or Katy's dl?

Your or Katy's lb's?

Your or Katy's db's?

Except for a FEW individuals, I bet most teams would have to admit Katy's kids are pretty darn talented.

Don't forget about Katy's coaching staff. I'll take katy's coaching staff 9 out of 10 times. I would say 10/10, but the clock management/play calling in the the last couple series against cinco was poor. Katy might not have the best individuals or d1 talent, but they play together as a well disciplined unit. Katy could lose a player, insert another one, and wouldnt miss a beat. But, still Todd Dodge and those SLC teams...

[chunky79]

Someone decides it.. Who?

i dont know

[SLC]

i dont know


I'm with you there.

Well chunky you know just like I do that these are 2 great programs and if someone had to make a descision on just one of them, you couldnt go wrong with either one of them.

[BlakeJ]

Why do fans of Katy and SLC think the rest of us "hate" the programs? Most of us admire and envy the two programs. Hell, all they do is win! What happens is Katy and SLC fans translate our distaste for many of the arrogant fans of the two programs into a "hate" of the programs. Just look at your posts on this particular thread. THIS is what the rest of us get sick of. THIS is what we "hate" on.;)

And by the way, I hold more respect for the Katy program than the South Lake program. Check my vote.:cool:

OK..OK...maybe Im being misunderstood here. I was trying to validate two points with my posts...so let me clear this up before I'm beheaded by everyone. :D

1) There are more people outside of the Katy fanbase that "hate" on Katy due to their success, than there are that ADMIRE them for their success. That doesnt mean ALL of you. I know there are some of you that will and do state that Katy is succesful not because of their playoff bracket or luck of the draw, but because they are VERY well coached and indeed are talented. But I think it's clear that there are more that don't want to see it that way.

2) What exactly was the original poster hoping to get out of this thread?? We all knew what the results would be.

I would just like to say...I have only been a Katy Tiger fan for 1 season, and obviously do not know any better. So if any of the older Katy fans feel that I'm out of line or misrepresenting your fanbase...please PM me and give me some pointers. I need a message board babysitter. :D

[BlakeJ]

Point in fact. Only Katy fans are realists. The rest of us are haters.

Young boy or girl, you have been reading too many of the wrong Katy posts. Check out the likes of ktcarl, miss kitty, katyfan52, db86, rwilleby, poolman, and a FEW others. They will keep you grounded.

Thanks for the advice mister. ;)

[SLC]

31-16 once you subtract all the Katy people (11) from the Katy votes, and the Carroll people (3) and the Carroll voting Katy people (2) from the Carroll votes.

[SLC]

OK..OK...maybe Im being misunderstood here. I was trying to validate two points with my posts...so let me clear this up before I'm beheaded by everyone. :D

1) There are more people outside of the Katy fanbase that "hate" on Katy due to their success, than there are that ADMIRE them for their success. That doesnt mean ALL of you. I know there are some of you that will and do state that Katy is succesful not because of their playoff bracket or luck of the draw, but because they are VERY well coached and indeed are talented. But I think it's clear that there are more that don't want to see it that way.

2) What exactly was the original poster hoping to get out of this thread?? We all knew what the results would be.

I would just like to say...I have only been a Katy Tiger fan for 1 season, and obviously do not know any better. So if any of the older Katy fans feel that I'm out of line or misrepresenting your fanbase...please PM me and give me some pointers. I need a message board babysitter. :D

Carroll has just as many "haters" as Katy does... So we are both affected by the haters in regards to the poll.

And the person who started the thread was hoping to get a read on everyones thoughts for whom they would pick as the best overall team thus far through this decade.. And nobody knew what the results would be... and still dont for that matter, as people are still voting on it.

[dragonpants]

I'm just saying, that it's pretty obvious that there are ALOT more Katy haters than realists outside of the Katy fanbase. You know...I know...we all know what the results of this poll were going to be when stating fans from these teams cant vote.

You think there are more Katy haters than Carroll haters? You have to be kidding me.
We even had a magazine article written about us with the title"Why you should hate Southlake"
Of course it was complimentary but I think your haters are in the Houston area and ours are up here, but I think we are equally hated.

[dragonpants]

Historically SLC probably has as many if not more 'haters' than Katy. You should have been here in 2006 as well as the weeks leading up to the MNW game and after they lost to Abilene last year. Carroll has their wealth for people to hate on as well as their football. Not to mention the blonde playoff tradition.

Can someone please explain to me why ya'll hate the blond thing so much?

What is the big deal?

[CCHS77]

Can someone please explain to me why ya'll hate the blond thing so much?

What is the big deal?

IMHO. How cares! The "blond thing" is for the team, by the team. Outside the team? Irrelevant!

[dragonpants]

IMHO. How cares! The "blond thing" is for the team, by the team. Outside the team? Irrelevant!

I am just curious by nature and cannot understand why so many people make such a big deal about it.

That is all.

[SLC]

IMHO. How cares! The "blond thing" is for the team, by the team. Outside the team? Irrelevant!


I believe there are several teams across the nation that do it..Either Tulsa Union or Jenks does it as well.

And is it Blonde..or Blond?

[SLC]

I am just curious by nature and cannot understand why so many people make such a big deal about it.

That is all.

It gives the haters something to talk about.

[BlakeJ]

So now Im curious....what is the "blonde thing"??

[SLC]

So now Im curious....what is the "blonde thing"??

It's a team unity thing...

High school traditions: Carroll's dyed hair

11:40 PM CST on Thursday, November 13, 2008


Southlake Carroll coach Hal Wasson in 2001 came home to what was then a grass-roots experiment.

"My wife said, 'Have you seen Chase?'" Mr. Wasson said, referring to former Carroll quarterback Chase Wasson, then a junior. "She said he was glowing in the dark."

The younger Wasson's dirty-blond hair was bleached – as was other players' on that 2001 team. It then was a new way to show team unity. It now is an anticipated phenomenon in the Southlake community.

Fans know the playoffs are here when players sport two things – platinum blond hair and black football pants. Carroll switches from white to black playing pants at the start of the postseason.

Of course, the hairdos of Carroll players get the most attention. It's become such a phenomenon that other programs have experimented with it.

"It's kind of transcended, because some of them actually go to hair salons now to get it done," Mr. Wasson said. "Back in the days, most of them just went to a buddy's house. There will be specials for 'bleached hair week' at salons. All of the kids really buy into it."

Damon L. Sayles

[BlakeJ]

It's a team unity thing...

People dont like that?? hmmmm At my high school all the starters shave their heads while the backups have to sport mullets....was started in my time...now they do it every year. Unfortunatley...I sported the mullet for 3 years.

[SLC]

People dont like that?? hmmmm At my high school all the starters shave their heads while the backups have to sport mullets....was started in my time...now they do it every year. Unfortunatley...I sported the mullet for 3 years.

It's not as much as they dont like it. It's that they just hate on it.

And mullets?...:eek::eek::D

[BlakeJ]

It's not as much as they dont like it. It's that they just hate on it.

And mullets?...:eek::eek::D

Trust me the mullets were GONEEEEEE when the playoffs were over for us. Imagine having short hair and having to get a mullet out of it. The funny thing is...the kid in our class that would buzz all of our hair now owns a barber shop back home...lol.

[SLC]

Trust me the mullets were GONEEEEEE when the playoffs were over for us. Imagine having short hair and having to get a mullet out of it. The funny thing is...the kid in our class that would buzz all of our hair now owns a barber shop back home...lol.


So he was just practicing on y'all for future enterprise.. I think y'all should get some sort of royalties or something..

[BlakeJ]

So he was just practicing on y'all for future enterprise.. I think y'all should get some sort of royalties or something..

We do.....Free Mullet everytime I go back home. :D

[SLC]

We do.....Free Mullet everytime I go back home. :D


Thats worth it.. I guess.:D

[twcpfan1]

Can someone please explain to me why ya'll hate the blond thing so much?

What is the big deal?

Waste of peroxide since you only get to showcase it for no more than 2 games these days :D

Kidding aside, it's pretty cool as long as y'all don't think it looks odd on some of your players.

[SLC]

Waste of peroxide since you only get to showcase it for no more than 2 games these days :D

Kidding aside, it's pretty cool as long as y'all don't think it looks odd on some of your players.

Na, We dont at all. It's actually pretty cool, dye their hair and switch to the black pants.. Pretty awesome.


Well this isn't as close as I thought it would be.

[chunky79]

Can someone please explain to me why ya'll hate the blond thing so much?

What is the big deal?

guys dying their hair seems kinda ... gay

[cyfallsbooster2]

guys dying their hair seems kinda ... gay

Exactly the team building thing. They know they are not gay but doing it together shows each other they are willing to do something like that together and it bonds them.

Kind of like mullets.

[SLC]

guys dying their hair seems kinda ... gay

Not as gay as mullets... LMAO..:laugh:laugh

[chunky79]

Not as gay as mullets... LMAO..:laugh:laugh

i dont know why booster brought in mullets, mullets are ... very gay

[BlakeJ]

i dont know why booster brought in mullets, mullets are ... very gay

But it's fun...and like booster said...it brought us all together.

Made me work twice as hard in practice...noone wants to sport a mullet..lol.

[JagDad07]

Some of you people can't read or just can't help yourselves over your homer-ism. Only the obvious ones:

Southlake Carroll

drgnbkr

Katy

07KTsmitty74, Katy06Tiger, katy09

[SLC]

Some of you people can't read or just can't help yourselves over your homer-ism. Only the obvious ones:

Believe me it's far more than that... Theres like 16 Katy peolple and 4 Carroll people.:D

[drgnbkr]

Some of you people can't read or just can't help yourselves over your homer-ism. Only the obvious ones:

So the non-reading-homer title goes to Katy 3-1?:D

[SLC]

So the non-reading-homer title goes to Katy 3-1?:D


No it's like 17-4.. Seriously.

[BlakeJ]

Believe me it's far more than that... Theres like 16 Katy peolple and 4 Carroll people.:D

Boy you're getting a kick out of this...I guess whatever makes you feel better after that early round exit. :D

[85Roughneck]

No it's like 17-4.. Seriously.

Obviously I'm a Katy backer ... I crack up laughing when I read all the folks that homer vote from either side. I guess they either don't read or don't care ... LOL!:D

[SLC]

Boy you're getting a kick out of this...I guess whatever makes you feel better after that early round exit. :D

Not really getting a kick out of it..It is somewhat amusing..the non-readers that is..

Though the early round exit still hurts..:(

[85Roughneck]

Not really getting a kick out of it..It is somewhat amusing..the non-readers that is..

Though the early round exit still hurts..:(

you get over it real quick ... SLC should come back strong soon enough.

[SLC]

Obviously I'm a Katy backer ... I crack up laughing when I read all the folks that homer vote from either side. I guess they either don't read or don't care ... LOL!:D

Yea.. Only Mong Hu owned up that he didn't read it the first time... So I guess the others are just homers..:D

[SLC]

you get over it real quick ... SLC should come back strong soon enough.

If we can just finish the season with the QB we start off with, we should be fine.

[p9703264]

i went 2 see who voted 4 who nd somehow i had already voted...this has happened b4 nd i was jw if this was a normal thing?

[SLC]

i went 2 see who voted 4 who nd somehow i had already voted...this has happened b4 nd i was jw if this was a normal thing?

Oh yea.. It will show you voted if you already have...:p:D

[rocketgrl94]

im not voting... neither one is the team of the DECADE!
its still JUDSON!:D

[SLC]

im not voting... neither one is the team of the DECADE!
its still JUDSON!:D

That was the 90's.. They were soooo last decade.:D

[rocketgrl94]

That was the 90's.. They were soooo last decade.:D

psssssh please they put Texas on the MAP!:D:p

[Empire strikes back]

psssssh please they put Texas on the MAP!:D:p

I don't think soooo!!! :D:D

[rocketgrl94]

I don't think soooo!!! :D:D

i knew u had to come on here and say something....and I DO THINK SO!!!!:D;)

[BlakeJ]

psssssh please they put Texas on the MAP!:D:p


Earl Campbell put Texas on the map. ;)

[rocketgrl94]

Earl Campbell put Texas on the map. ;)

no.

[BlakeJ]

no.

I've heard of Earl Campbell.

Never heard of Judson...:D

[Empire strikes back]

i knew u had to come on here and say something....and I DO THINK SO!!!!:D;)

Well lets compare: Permian team of the 70's and the 80's, Judson team of the 90's. I stand corrected. :D

[rocketgrl94]

I've heard of Earl Campbell.

Never heard of Judson...:D

dont worry about alot of people never heard of them this year!:p

[rocketgrl94]

Well lets compare: Permian team of the 70's and the 80's, Judson team of the 90's. I stand corrected. :D

70's and 80's dont count only 83 and 88 count!:D

[BlakeJ]

dont worry about alot of people never heard of them this year!:p


What position does he play?? :eek:

[rocketgrl94]

What position does he play?? :eek:

i think RB cuz they need to run back they way they once were:eek::p

[Empire strikes back]

70's and 80's dont count only 83 and 88 count!:D

Well I guess 95' dont count either! :p

[rocketgrl94]

Well I guess 95' dont count either! :p

im talkin' about 80's!:rolleyes:
and yes 95 does count to cuz we beat the hell outta ya'll!:D;)

[Empire strikes back]

im talkin' about 80's!:rolleyes:
and yes 95 does count to cuz we beat the hell outta ya'll!:D;)


Ok, Let's talk about the 80's sweets! Was it Carter that beat the sh** out of Judson in 88'? And no 95' does not count because it was a fluke. :p

[rocketgrl94]

Ok, Let's talk about the 80's sweets! Was it Cater that beat the sh** out of Judson in 88'? And no 95' does not count because it was a fluke. :p

no, it was Carter that beat the sh*t of Judson and we won by forfeit..not our fault....and OMG 95?!PLLLLEEEAAASSSEE....FLUKE my @ss!!!!:laugh

[Empire strikes back]

no, it was Carter that beat the sh*t of Judson and we won by forfeit..not our fault....and OMG 95?!PLLLLEEEAAASSSEE....FLUKE my @ss!!!!:laugh

O my bad! :rolleyes: Miracles do happen! :D One more thing on 95'.....
























FLUKE!!!! :p

[rocketgrl94]

O my bad! :rolleyes: Miracles do happen! :D 1 more thing on 95'.....
























FLUKE!!!! :p

fluke or not Judson still won it with SKILLLLLZ!:D

[Empire strikes back]

fluke or not Judson still won it with SKILLLLLZ!:D

Yea, that's why they lost 36-0 to Carter. :eek: :D

[rocketgrl94]

Yea, that's why they lost 36-0 to Carter. :eek: :D

different team different year:rolleyes:

[SLC]

psssssh please they put Texas on the MAP!:D:p

I think they would have to fight with Plano and Mojo over that one.. And Wichita Falls.

[Empire strikes back]

different team different year:rolleyes:

Poor girl, heart broken? Well, I can fix that..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9JSE4JQWVI

[rocketgrl94]

Poor girl, heart broken? Well, I can fix that..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9JSE4JQWVI

thats a sorry song right there!:D

[Empire strikes back]

thats a sorry song right there!:D

Don't hate, appreciate! :D MOJO THAT'S MY SCHOOL!!!!!

[DragonFan0316]

As I view the results, I see some cheaters. Only non- SLC/Katy fans were to vote. The right team is ahead though.

[SLC]

As I view the results, I see some cheaters. Only non- SLC/Katy fans were to vote. The right team is ahead though.

So far 18 Katy people and 4 Carroll people..We at least win the reading award..Or non homer award.:D

[chunky79]

So far 18 Katy people and 4 Carroll people..We at least win the reading award..Or non homer award.:D

katy people cant read worth crap, this is embarassing

[SLC]

katy people cant read worth crap, this is embarassing

Outside of Mung Hu (who admitted he didn't read it) I believe the rest are all voting regardless of what it says.

Katy people aren't stupid... There just homers..:D

Like you said.. Build it and they will come.

[chunky79]

Outside of Mung Hu (who admitted he didn't read it) I believe the rest are all voting regardless of what it says.

Katy people aren't stupid... There just homers..:D

Like you said.. Build it and they will come.

you should see the uniform contest going on

[SLC]

you should see the uniform contest going on


With Permian?

[chunky79]

With Permian?

yes, over 5600 votes

[SLC]

yes, over 5600 votes

Who's leading?

[chunky79]

Who's leading?

technically, if voting does end at midnight, Katy won 51% - 49%

[SLC]

technically, if voting does end at midnight, Katy won 51% - 49%

Damn.. Thats freakin close..


All that for those ugly Katy uni's.














J/K
:D:D

[chunky79]

Damn.. Thats freakin close..


All that for those ugly Katy uni's.














J/K
:D:D

i like permians, but i homered...$500 for booster club on the line

[SLC]

i like permians, but i homered...$500 for booster club on the line


Thats pretty cool..

That classic Permian Black and White is pretty awesome.

[chunky79]

Thats pretty cool..

That classic Permian Black and White is pretty awesome.

im glad they used katy's away rather than their home..but yes, permians are awesome

[cyfallsbooster2]

I don't think it's so much that we have more talent year in and year out, but our coaches seem to know how to get the most out of each player year in and year out. I have heard others more knowledgeable than myself say that with that ability our system doesn't require individual talent in conventional terms to win consistently. In other words the system makes the boys more talented than they would have been without it. I hope I said that right. :D

And I can accept that point of view. Yes, I think a system CAN make better players of the kids. That is what the Katy system seems to do. My only point is that the kid has to have SOME talent to start with, otherwise the system is not going to help him. And it may have to do with the sheer size of involvement of the kids in the program that allows Katy to have a higher talent level. Katy is by no means a large school, but I would suspect their participation level in the football program is several percentage points above the majority of the other schools out there. Great school and program pride. Wish we could get and sustain the same thing over here to the North-East of y'all.;)

[cyfallsbooster2]

OK..OK...maybe Im being misunderstood here. I was trying to validate two points with my posts...so let me clear this up before I'm beheaded by everyone. :D

1) There are more people outside of the Katy fanbase that "hate" on Katy due to their success, than there are that ADMIRE them for their success. That doesnt mean ALL of you. I know there are some of you that will and do state that Katy is succesful not because of their playoff bracket or luck of the draw, but because they are VERY well coached and indeed are talented. But I think it's clear that there are more that don't want to see it that way.

2) What exactly was the original poster hoping to get out of this thread?? We all knew what the results would be.

I would just like to say...I have only been a Katy Tiger fan for 1 season, and obviously do not know any better. So if any of the older Katy fans feel that I'm out of line or misrepresenting your fanbase...please PM me and give me some pointers. I need a message board babysitter. :D

Fair enough. I think the original purpose of this thread is a very good topic of discussion for the off-season. And now is probably a very appropriate time to discuss the matter. I really have no idea how the poll is going to turn out. Not sure it really matters. My interest is the discussion of the topic.

Why is now a good time to begin thinking about the topic? What if this discussion had come up at the end of last year? Would there have been the evidence to support any argument other than SLC? They would have had more rings. So now that the ring count is evened out, the discussion becomes valid. I am like many that have expressed their views on here, wait until next year to bestow a mythical opinion award for one of these teams. Even then, there will be those on both sides of the argument which refuse to vote against thier team or thier opinion.

[cyfallsbooster2]

Thanks for the advice mister. ;)

Good shot.:D

[cyfallsbooster2]

I think there is one vote on the Katy side that actually counts for about 20 votes.............WOS87.:eek:

[mad_fan]

Katy or SLC


Then can we move on to 2009? :D

Crap I messed up the poll question. I meant 2000 - 2009

Given those two teams...
The correct answer is...
DI...SLC...
DII...Katy...
Because that's the way we settle this kind of debate in Texas high school football....

[chunky79]

Given those two teams...
The correct answer is...
DI...SLC...
DII...Katy...
Because that's the way we settle this kind of debate in Texas high school football....

this

[SLC]

I think there is one vote on the Katy side that actually counts for about 20 votes.............WOS87.:eek:

He's a Houston homer.

[SLC]

Given those two teams...
The correct answer is...
DI...SLC...
DII...Katy...
Because that's the way we settle this kind of debate in Texas high school football....

Wont work mad... Carroll has only went D1 once..Ever. And the only one of these two, to do it this decade.

[mad_fan]

Wont work mad... Carroll has only went D1 once..Ever. And the only one of these two, to do it this decade.

Exactly why it DOES work...
I was given TWO teams to work with...;)
...
DI appearances...
SLC...1...
Katy...0...
and SLC is 100% in DI appearances...
in the 2000's...

(fixed...thanks SLC...)

[SLC]

Exactly why it DOES work...
I was given TWO teams to work with...;)
...
DI appearances...
Katy...1...
SLC...0...
and Katy is 100% in DI appearances...
in the 2000's...


Mad... What the hell are you talking about?

Katy has went to ZERO D1 appearances in the 2000's.. ZERO.

Carroll has went to one D1 appearance and won it in 2006.

[mad_fan]

Mad... What the hell are you talking about?

Katy has went to ZERO D1 appearances in the 2000's.. ZERO.

Carroll has went to one D1 appearance and won it in 2006.

That's what I meant...:o
Go back to my original...per beer post...
I'll get another beer...:D

[SLC]

That's what I meant...:o
Go back to my original...per beer post...
I'll get another beer...:D

Ok.. I was thinking, he must either be hung over or drinking right now.

I was partially right.:D

[mad_fan]

Ok.. I was thinking, he must either be hung over or drinking right now.

I was mostly right.:D

fify...:ninja:

[SLC]

fify...:ninja:

Hey, you would know..

I'm about to drink some Kahlua on ice.

[mad_fan]

Hey, you would know..

I'm about to drink some Kahlua on ice.

I'm trying to get my Legend status back...without begging kt2000...:ninja::D

[4rings]

I'm a Carroll fan, haven't voted, noticed a few Dragon fans voted, noticed even more Katy fans voted, noticed that Carroll has won the poll for 2008 since we are now into 2009 and Carroll has the majority vote. Guess the forum has spoken?

[SLC]

I'm a Carroll fan, haven't voted, noticed a few Dragon fans voted, noticed even more Katy fans voted, noticed that Carroll has won the poll for 2008 since we are now into 2009 and Carroll has the majority vote. Guess the forum has spoken?

At last count I had about 20 Katy voters and 4 Carroll voters.

So I guess at this point its like 52-28.. Plus we had stevefox say he chooses us, along with mad_fan so that makes it like 54-28.

[chunky79]

At last count I had about 20 Katy voters and 4 Carroll voters.

So I guess at this point its like 52-28.. Plus we had stevefox say he chooses us, along with mad_fan so that makes it like 54-28.

embarassing :rolleyes:

[SLC]

embarassing :rolleyes:

Indeed.

[dragons08]

I'm a Carroll fan, haven't voted, noticed a few Dragon fans voted, noticed even more Katy fans voted, noticed that Carroll has won the poll for 2008 since we are now into 2009 and Carroll has the majority vote. Guess the forum has spoken?
this.

[SLC]

this.

Ugh.. Make that 1 more Carroll voter.:rolleyes:

[SLC93]

Carroll has played the tougher opponents, more ranked opponents, 5 straight title appearences, 4 titles, 3 in a row, and dominated all their seasons by going undefeated all 4 times.

If Carroll wins in '09 it's Carroll by a mile.

You have to go with this anaylsis for one reason. When comparing the two for the purposes of picking the best, you're splitting hairs. Not big ole head hairs but a freshly sprouted curlies. In reality, it's a dead even match. The numbers are too similar. I'm not usually one to say that how they won should matter much, I love the way Haka wins just as much a we do. That said due to the nature of this comparison, you have to look at sos. For most of this decade RI & RII have been so superior in depth and quality to RIII & RIV that its neared comical. At the top the regions are all fairly even but the drop off has been steep in III & IV. As of this moment, it's Carroll by the slimmest of margins.

[SLC93]

It's not quantity but QUALITY. We may never see what SLC accomplished in their run ever again.

Funny how quick we are to forget unmatched history. Thanks for the reminder.;)

[SLC93]

2000 - katy
2001 - toss-up
2002 - slc
2003 - katy
2004 - slc
2005 - slc
2006 - slc
2007 - katy
2008 - katy
2009 - i say katy, they say slc ... so toss-up

so that's 4-4-2 ... tied

Very accurate and very simple. This also shows why we are forced to go to abstracts like style and domination as measurables. The only measurable we have is sos, specifically playoff sos. Carroll wins handily in that category. Its just the way the cycle has been this decade. The deepest, best ball has been played in RI & RII. Outside of NS, Katy and SV where has the dominant, consistency been this decade in III & IV?

[SLC93]

Carroll

The titles are equal but the way Carroll did it is what seperates itself from others. Its kind of like the Cowboys, Steelers and 49er debates. Everybody knows that the most storied franchise in the NFL is the Dallas Cowboys. Carrolls run this decade can't be touched. Factor in that they are from DFW then you have your answer ;)

I go to Farmer for my unemotinal analysis. Well, as long as it doesn't involve a certain species of cat that makes it's home near 75. I think the NFL of the 70's is a good parallel to draw. History tells us that the Steelers were the best hands down, though Dallas won more games. There were also several other teams that were top notch during that decade but we have to split hairs and look for what hasn't been done before. Nobody had done 4 in a decade before the Steelers. Nobody has done what Carroll did before. When labeling for a decade or century you look for the historic, not the methodic.

[SLC93]

That's not quite true. They have tremendous tallent at EVERY position. Not just 6-8 positions like the rest of us may be lucky enough to get every few years. Look at their rb's, receivers, LINEMEN, dl, lb's. Their qb's are not always a Luck, Gray, Sheppard, etc, but they are always solid enough. Katy has so much more talent across the board than the rest of us year in and year out. Are they D1 or Blue Chip (if that is even used anymore), maybe so, maybe not. If Joseph pushed it a little more, maybe they would be. But, trying to say they do not have more talent at ALL positions than most teams is just a smoke screen. But, what they do with that talent, year in and year out is simply amazing. They are very solid in the talent area, but not a Hightower or NS or Humble. But they have the talent to win every year and the program to go along with it.

Agreed. Katy playing the talent card is as bad as Carroll playing the talent card. Both programs are dripping in it.

[SLC93]

katy's run has been slightly more sustained. slc is done. 2-3 losses from here on out.

-ps-

FAIL

Mojo, more than anyone, should know runs are something you get at Pancho's. Programs that sustain excellence over long periods have far more going for them that sporadic jumps in talent. The greats never go away, they always return. Katy has mastered consistency. They are a winning machine. I would never argue against that. We had one down year. Due to the fact that our losses in 07 came against the national champion and a top 5 ranked team by a total of 9 points, 07 was many things but a failure wan't one of them. 08 we were off but our losses were against quality programs, wel except Coppel.:rolleyes: Let's see where the tigers end o7 & 08 without their starting, senior qbs before we proclaim Carroll over.

[SLC93]

Why useless? Why not hear what the rest of the fans in the State have to say rather than just the Katy and SLC fans? Are you saying that because you are afraid that Katy may loose this poll?:eek:

I, for one, would actually love to view a forum that allowed only input from those outside the two programs. The perspectives would be fascinating, imo.

[SLC93]

Historically SLC probably has as many if not more 'haters' than Katy. You should have been here in 2006 as well as the weeks leading up to the MNW game and after they lost to Abilene last year. Carroll has their wealth for people to hate on as well as their football. Not to mention the blonde playoff tradition.

We used to shave ours back in the day. Both are fairly horric, totally teenage and fun with a twist of stupid. Kids will be kids.:D

[cyfallsbooster2]

He's a Houston homer.

WOS87 homer. And not in that man-crush way. That guy spends more time looking up and providing for the rest of us all kinds of USEFUL information.:notworthy I would think with all his time spent with indepth studies of records, tendancies, etc, I would think he is the consumate non-partisan vote.:D

[SLC93]

im not voting... neither one is the team of the DECADE!
its still JUDSON!:D

I'd like my team of the decade to be a little more than average in the regular season and good to great in the post season. Judson is all about building towards a p/o run at any cost and part of me commends that. The other part says that the nature of this conversation and the structure of so many of Judson's seasons preclude them from being anywhere near selection for this one.

[SLC]

WOS87 homer. And not in that man-crush way. That guy spends more time looking up and providing for the rest of us all kinds of USEFUL information.:notworthy I would think with all his time spent with indepth studies of records, tendancies, etc, I would think he is the consumate non-partisan vote.:D


Oh make no doubt that he has given us all some very great information and is simply awesome for having done so... And I have told him that several times.


But let there also be no doubt that he is a Houston area homer.:)

[SLC93]

psssssh please they put Texas on the MAP!:D:p

I don't think soooo!!! :D:D

Who didn't see that one coming? To be fair, Abilene put us on the map. Permian got the map printed in color and boosted sales to a record level.:D

[SLC93]

given those two teams...
The correct answer is...
Di...slc...
Dii...katy...
Because that's the way we settle this kind of debate in texas high school football....

classic

[SLC93]

I'm trying to get my Legend status back...without begging kt2000...:ninja::D

That left a mark. Unneccessary burning.:D

[SLC]

Who didn't see that one coming? To be fair, Abilene put us on the map. Permian got the map printed in color and boosted sales to a record level.:D

Well to be completely fair Waco put Texas on the map with their football.. 6 title appearances in the first 8 years of title play and they won 4 of those. And Amarillo was dominant back then as well.

[cyfallsbooster2]

Oh make no doubt that he has given us all some very great information and is simply awesome for having done so... And I have told him that several times.


But let there also be no doubt that he is a Houston area homer.:)

I still like his opinion better than yours.:p

[SLC93]

i still like his opinion better than yours.:p

wos87'sopinionisbetterthanyours.........:D

[SLC93]

-ps- my man SLC knows I'm playing.

[SLC]

I still like his opinion better than yours.:p

Of course you do and why wouldn't you.. Houston homer.:p:D

[cyfallsbooster2]

wos87'sopinionisbetterthanyours.........:D

Katy sounded stacked with young talent in '08. That talent will be back for '09 with experience. They stand a good chance of making it a 3-peat in '09. If that happens, and SLC doesn't, does that change how anyone would look this poll? I mean, for the time period this poll covers, Katy started strong, stayed strong and would have ended strong. SLC started really strong and then kinda tapered off towards the end.

[SLC]

Katy sounded stacked with young talent in '08. That talent will be back for '09 with experience. They stand a good chance of making it a 3-peat in '09. If that happens, and SLC doesn't, does that change how anyone would look this poll? I mean, for the time period this poll covers, Katy started strong, stayed strong and would have ended strong. SLC started really strong and then kinda tapered off towards the end.

Yes. If Katy wins the title next season and Carroll doesn't, then unquestionably Katy is the team of the decade and visa versa.

But funny you would say Katy stayed strong and Carroll didn't because Carroll hasn't won the title or apperared in it in the past 2 seasons, but you don't see Katy in the same light when they didn't get one for 3 seasons in a row.

[SLC93]

Katy sounded stacked with young talent in '08. That talent will be back for '09 with experience. They stand a good chance of making it a 3-peat in '09. If that happens, and SLC doesn't, does that change how anyone would look this poll? I mean, for the time period this poll covers, Katy started strong, stayed strong and would have ended strong. SLC started really strong and then kinda tapered off towards the end.

I think that it very well could swing the arguement but, in my opinion, katy would need to go 16-0 and Carroll would need to have an early playoff exit. This would put us back to splitting hairs but 48-0 > than 45-3 when comparing potential three peats.

[SLC93]

Yes. If Katy wins the title next season and Carroll doesn't, then unquestionably Katy is the team of the decade and visa versa.

But funny you would say Katy stayed strong and Carroll didn't because Carroll hasn't won the title or apperared in it in the past 2 seasons, but you don't see Katy in the same light when they didn't get one for 3 seasons in a row.


Good point

[cyfallsbooster2]

Yes. If Katy wins the title next season and Carroll doesn't, then unquestionably Katy is the team of the decade and visa versa.

But funny you would say Katy stayed strong and Carroll didn't because Carroll hasn't won the title or apperared in it in the past 2 seasons, but you don't see Katy in the same light when they didn't get one for 3 seasons in a row.

Good point.

But just for the sake of supporting my opinion, I am going to claim the "what have you done for me lately" rule.:D

[chunky79]

Very accurate and very simple. This also shows why we are forced to go to abstracts like style and domination as measurables. The only measurable we have is sos, specifically playoff sos. Carroll wins handily in that category. Its just the way the cycle has been this decade. The deepest, best ball has been played in RI & RII. Outside of NS, Katy and SV where has the dominant, consistency been this decade in III & IV?

what consistency has there been in I and II? besides slc, trinity, allen and copperas cove ... it's practically the same

[SLC]

Good point.

But just for the sake of supporting my opinion, I am going to claim the "what have you done for me lately" rule.:D


LOL.. Well, that would deserve a "well played sir" then.:D


Your still a Houston homer.:p:D

[SLC93]

what consistency has there been in I and II? besides slc, trinity, allen and copperas cove ... it's practically the same

Look back at the rankings, any of them, as the playoffs began. Also, review the previews the KT's provide us before every season. RI & II have been loaded this decade.

[chunky79]

Look back at the rankings, any of them, as the playoffs began. Also, review the previews the KT's provide us before every season. RI & II have been loaded this decade.

rankings dont mean a thing, if a football team wins, they win...rankings dont mean squat ... hell, look at the bcs

[SLC93]

rankings dont mean a thing, if a football team wins, they win...rankings dont mean squat ... hell, look at the bcs

Who plays the tougher schedule while getting the six most important wins on the year? In the last decade it has been RI & RII, almost without exception and, some years, by a wide margin.

[4rings]

Katy sounded stacked with young talent in '08. That talent will be back for '09 with experience. They stand a good chance of making it a 3-peat in '09. If that happens, and SLC doesn't, does that change how anyone would look this poll? I mean, for the time period this poll covers, Katy started strong, stayed strong and would have ended strong. SLC started really strong and then kinda tapered off towards the end.

...But has anyone been to 5 straight state finals and win 4 of them? not even close...not to mention, every title won was 16-0...can't be matched.

[rwilleby]

I'll have to say the SLC run was very impressive and they should probably get the made-up title (to go with the national one)... If you look at their record and who they've had to play it just makes sense...

I, however, would be just as happy with a 2009 and 2010 State Championship... If we're going to be asking for something... That's what I want... :)

[SLC]

I'll have to say the SLC run was very impressive and they should probably get the made-up title (to go with the national one)... If you look at their record and who they've had to play it just makes sense...

I, however, would be just as happy with a 2009 and 2010 State Championship... If we're going to be asking for something... That's what I want... :)

And if you get it and we dont, then y'all are the team of the decade.

[chunky79]

Who plays the tougher schedule while getting the six most important wins on the year? In the last decade it has been RI & RII, almost without exception and, some years, by a wide margin.

rankings still dont mean a thing. hell, katy won state, and we werent ranked

[ALLENFANDINGO5]

Rankings take into consideration what you did in the regular season. Which could hurt your overall national ranking. They are trying to measure an amount of dominance, and try to compare level of competition the way the Bull Crap System(BCS) does. I think here in Texas we dont need those rankings as recoginition to how good our teams are. Yeah, sure it is nice to see our teams ranked up there. But having your opponents say great things about your program should be all the recognition you need for contention. Both Katy and SLC have great programs, and have the blueprint for success years to come. But thus far this decade I would give the edge to SLC with the deciding factor being the undefeated streak. Not much is different IMHO.

[cougmantx]

Obviously I'm a Katy backer ... I crack up laughing when I read all the folks that homer vote from either side. I guess they either don't read or don't care ... LOL!:D

Truthfully, I didn't care...it should be decided on the field next year. Personally, I would love a SLC vs. Katy state championship next year and let the winner take all!

Yes, I am a Katy homer that disregarded the heading...

[4rings]

Truthfully, I didn't care...it should be decided on the field next year. Personally, I would love a SLC vs. Katy state championship next year and let the winner take all!

Yes, I am a Katy homer that disregarded the heading...

red vs green for christmas part 3. sounds good to me. don't know if the other 200+ teams would agree. we can play in SA again.

[caveman]

red vs green for christmas part 3. sounds good to me. don't know if the other 200+ teams would agree. we can play in SA again.

I won't vote...but that sure would be fun. Yes, I am sure those two hundred or so other teams will be weighing in.
But I already have my 2009 Christmas cards bought. Never too early to making a list and checking it .....:D

[4rings]

I won't vote...but that sure would be fun. Yes, I am sure those two hundred or so other teams will be weighing in.
But I already have my 2009 Christmas cards bought. Never too early to making a list and checking it .....:D

lol...we don't even know who we are playing during the regular season (well..not entirely)...

[sabishop4]

I played for Grapevine in '05 when we lost to that rediculous SLC team in the semis. I also went to several of the rediculous 2007 Tiger's games because my cousin kept their bench warm on a weekly basis. That matchup would be amazing. I think I would pick that game to go down to the wire and I wouldn't dare pick a winner. As for team of the decade, I voted katy as having a slight edge and whoever goes further this season the win it in my book.

[SLC]

I played for Grapevine in '05 when we lost to that rediculous SLC team in the semis. I also went to several of the rediculous 2007 Tiger's games because my cousin kept their bench warm on a weekly basis. That matchup would be amazing. I think I would pick that game to go down to the wire and I wouldn't dare pick a winner. As for team of the decade, I voted katy as having a slight edge and whoever goes further this season the win it in my book.


Not trying to be a homer here and I realize thats very tough not to do considering who I am... But, that '05 Carroll team is one of, if not, the greatest team in the history of this state. Not sure anyone could get close to them that season.

[abileneeagles311]

i would have to say SLC just because of the 3 state championships in a row

[SLC93]

I played for Grapevine in '05 when we lost to that rediculous SLC team in the semis. I also went to several of the rediculous 2007 Tiger's games because my cousin kept their bench warm on a weekly basis. That matchup would be amazing. I think I would pick that game to go down to the wire and I wouldn't dare pick a winner. As for team of the decade, I voted katy as having a slight edge and whoever goes further this season the win it in my book.

Grapevine has never played Carroll in the post season. Semi's?

[SLC93]

Not trying to be a homer here and I realize thats very tough not to do considering who I am... But, that '05 Carroll team is one of, if not, the greatest team in the history of this state. Not sure anyone could get close to them that season.

I think that team and that staff, in combination, are in the exclusive conversation with 03 NS & 85 Yates. I'm biased, of course. To be fair, the boys from the Vine fought hard that year.

[E-Vol-ution]

SLC still has it unless Katy gets another ring before the ten year period is up.

[SLC]

Grapevine has never played Carroll in the post season. Semi's?


Yea.. That was the regular season.

[SLC]

I think that team and that staff, in combination, are in the exclusive conversation with 03 NS & 85 Yates. I'm biased, of course. To be fair, the boys from the Vine fought hard that year.


They did fight very hard and as did Plano.. But I will say that ultimately that Carroll team ran through one of the toughest stretches in post season history that year. I also throw the '06 team in for discussion.

[ftballin11]

I think that team and that staff, in combination, are in the exclusive conversation with 03 NS & 85 Yates. I'm biased, of course. To be fair, the boys from the Vine fought hard that year.


I disagree with you on both of those teams being able to stop Carol 05'.

I think with Yates. The teams in that era were built to stop the run and would have been completely confused and couldnt stop yall, it was a completely different game then.

With NS, if you look at all there teams. They usually completely dominate there games until they out of know where get beat in the playoffs. I dont think they can beat a great coached team late in the playoffs. I personally think that NS was the 3rd best team that year maybe 4th.


In my opinion the 4 best team in this decade that could play with anyone. are

In no order.

Katy 00'
Katy 07'
SLC 05'
SLC 06'

[p9703264]

Oh yea.. It will show you voted if you already have...:p:D

no i mean it said i voted when i hadnt...its weird.

[4rings]

I played for Grapevine in '05 when we lost to that rediculous SLC team in the semis. I also went to several of the rediculous 2007 Tiger's games because my cousin kept their bench warm on a weekly basis. That matchup would be amazing. I think I would pick that game to go down to the wire and I wouldn't dare pick a winner. As for team of the decade, I voted katy as having a slight edge and whoever goes further this season the win it in my book.

What semi's? In 05 SLC and Grapevine were in the same district. The game was at Gvine and Anthony Ford had a game-saving interception to save the game for SLC. That was the closest game the 05 team came to losing. Gvine played out of their a$$. Of course, it was a rivalry game at Gvine, and anything can happen. But it wasn't a playoff game....

[4rings]

They did fight very hard and as did Plano.. But I will say that ultimately that Carroll team ran through one of the toughest stretches in post season history that year. I also throw the '06 team in for discussion.

The 06 team actually had a greater margin of victory per game than the 05 team (except the a$$-whipping Abilene took in Waco.....52-0). Taylor Potts is still seeing the Dragon defense knocking him on his a$$. :D:D:D:D

[SLC]

What semi's? In 05 SLC and Grapevine were in the same district. The game was at Gvine and Anthony Ford had a game-saving interception to save the game for SLC. That was the closest game the 05 team came to losing. Gvine played out of their a$$. Of course, it was a rivalry game at Gvine, and anything can happen. But it wasn't a playoff game....

Yep.. 3 closest games that season were 5 over Vine, 10 over Plano, and 14 over Katy... Everyone else was a complete beatdown.

[SLC]

The 06 team actually had a greater margin of victory per game than the 05 team (except the a$$-whipping Abilene took in Waco.....52-0). Taylor Potts is still seeing the Dragon defense knocking him on his a$$. :D:D:D:D

Yea, that '05 team put 70 on Haltom City that season for our largest margin of victory ever I believe.. It wasn't 70 it was 69 but still.. We beat them 69-7.:D

[Mong Hu]

Yea, that '05 team put 70 on Haltom City that season for our largest margin of victory ever I believe.. It wasn't 70 it was 69 but still.. We beat them 69-7.:D

62 points is quite the margin of victory. :notworthy It pales in comparison however to Georgia techs drubbing of Cumberland 220-0. Georgia tech rushed for something like 1500 yds in that game. True story, the most lopsided victory in football history I believe. What can I say when I was a kid my mom liked to get me books with trivial facts in them about football and just about anything else and what is really sad is that I loved reading them.

[SLC]

62 points is quite the margin of victory. :notworthy It pales in comparison however to Georgia techs drubbing of Cumberland 220-0. Georgia tech rushed for something like 1500 yds in that game. True story, the most lopsided victory in football history I believe. What can I say when I was a kid my mom liked to get me books with trivial facts in them about football and just about anything else and what is really sad is that I loved reading them.

Yea. That was in 1916 I believe.. But it was only the largest in the history of college football... Not football in general... Haven High School in Kansas beat Sylvia High School in Kansas 256-0 in 1927... largets margin of victory ever recorded in the history of football... on any level. That Haven team didn't allow any points to be scored on it that year.

Haven's name is scattered throughout the National Federation of State High School Associations' record book: most points in a game (256), most touchdowns in a game (38), most points by a player in a game (90 by Elvin McCoy), and most touchdowns by one player in a game (13 by McCoy).

Here is the story on it.

http://www.hutchnews.com/Todaystop/haven2007_11_15T22_33_05

[Mong Hu]

Yea. That was in 1916 I believe.. But it was only the largest in the history of college football... Not football in general... Haven High School in Kansas beat Sylvia High School in Kansas 256-0 in 1927... largets margin of victory ever recorded in the history of football... on any level. That Haven team didn't allow any points to be scored on it that year.



Here is the story on it.

http://www.hutchnews.com/Todaystop/haven2007_11_15T22_33_05

Great stat and link thanks for the correction and info. Always appreciate learning a little more about this great game.:)