View Full Version : Which QB is better?
agmc27
12-24-2008, 12:07 PM
The QB who runs a 4.3 but can't make the throws
or
The QB who makes every throw with pinpoint accuracy but is as slow as molasses
eaglefootball11
12-24-2008, 06:00 PM
That would depend on the style of offense your team runs and what level of football it is. The fast QB that cant throw is only effective in highschool, maybe college. There is no way you can be in the NFL and not throw the ball. Plus everyone in the NFL runs a 4.3 :D
wesaxman34
12-24-2008, 06:07 PM
What's the point of having someone at QB if they can't throw? Make them on RB or CB.
F18mustang
12-25-2008, 12:02 AM
Pull a Georgia tech and run the triple option with the fast QB.
The obvious answer to your question is... The QB who can throw the ball, regardless of speed.
Now best case scenario is that he can at least run in the 4.8 - 5.0 range, but give me the guy that can make all the throws to get it to the speedy guys and I will take that over the 4.5, 4.6 guy who cant anyday. Especially Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays.
PearlandDL09
03-09-2009, 11:25 AM
Well in highschool I would definately choose the speedy QB over the passing qb. Russel Shepard, sam proctor :notworthy, vince young, william cole. The speedy qbs dominate in highschool.
Well in highschool I would definately choose the speedy QB over the passing qb. Russel Shepard, sam proctor :notworthy, vince young, william cole. The speedy qbs dominate in highschool.
O Rly?...How many of the QB's you named have won state titles?...Better yet, how many have played in the title game?
I'll give you a hint...Its less than two, but than zero.
So they dominate regualr season high school football and eventually fall to teams with QB's who can pass the rock and/or are more balanced players.
LeanderLions3033
03-20-2009, 10:13 PM
O Rly?...How many of the QB's you named have won state titles?...Better yet, how many have played in the title game?
I'll give you a hint...Its less than two, but than zero.
So they dominate regualr season high school football and eventually fall to teams with QB's who can pass the rock and/or are more balanced players.
I disagree with you to an extent. Sure at SLC the qbs ya'll won with were considered "duel threat" guys and not just runners and not just throwers, but if were talking about high school football, give me the guy that can run a 4.3. But then again i guess it obviously depends on what type of offense you want to be more committed too. You see strong armed accurate qbs all the time, but if he acutally runs a LEGIT electronic timed 4.3 (and not an electronic timed 4.65 or something) then i'll take the 4.3 guy ALLLLL day.
15Adragon
03-24-2009, 09:19 AM
This is a great question to which all answers are correct. How can you go wrong with that kind of speed? I think of the Baylor QB when you mention 4.3 speed. Also, look how many times SLC has won with the accurate passer. The speed is tempting though. It takes real commitment to the system to stay with the accurate passer. The accurate passer can get you 75 yards rushing a game because the D will be trying to defend the passing game. When you tailor your team to the speed of the QB, what happens when he goes down early in the season?
I disagree with you to an extent. Sure at SLC the qbs ya'll won with were considered "duel threat" guys and not just runners and not just throwers, but if were talking about high school football, give me the guy that can run a 4.3. But then again i guess it obviously depends on what type of offense you want to be more committed too. You see strong armed accurate qbs all the time, but if he acutally runs a LEGIT electronic timed 4.3 (and not an electronic timed 4.65 or something) then i'll take the 4.3 guy ALLLLL day.
Great. So you like the 4.3 guy that cant hit the broad side of a barn.
E-Vol-ution
03-26-2009, 11:07 AM
I'd go with the hungry guy that finds a way to win...maybe a little slower, maybe a little weaker arm........but the heart of a champion.I disagree with you to an extent. Sure at SLC the qbs ya'll won with were considered "duel threat" guys and not just runners and not just throwers, but if were talking about high school football, give me the guy that can run a 4.3. But then again i guess it obviously depends on what type of offense you want to be more committed too. You see strong armed accurate qbs all the time, but if he acutally runs a LEGIT electronic timed 4.3 (and not an electronic timed 4.65 or something) then i'll take the 4.3 guy ALLLLL day.
KOfb92
04-21-2009, 11:28 AM
I prefer the pocket passer...
Michael
05-23-2009, 05:15 PM
Depends on the offense being ran...we run a spread passing type so I take the passer but at the HS level I think the 4.3 one would be awsome.
dragonsdaddy
05-23-2009, 05:55 PM
obviously, state titles have been won with either extreme. in general, speed kills, but 4 speedy wideouts with an accurate , slow passer is 4 times as likely to cause your demise.
txfootball87
06-17-2009, 11:25 PM
Pocket passer all day.
ktCarl
07-12-2009, 09:41 PM
I disagree with you to an extent. Sure at SLC the qbs ya'll won with were considered "duel threat" guys and not just runners and not just throwers, but if were talking about high school football, give me the guy that can run a 4.3. But then again i guess it obviously depends on what type of offense you want to be more committed too. You see strong armed accurate qbs all the time, but if he acutally runs a LEGIT electronic timed 4.3 (and not an electronic timed 4.65 or something) then i'll take the 4.3 guy ALLLLL day.
I disagree with you to an extent. First of all, I don't see strong armed, accurate QB's ALL THE TIME at the high school level. A good QB with a strong arm doesn't need to throw deep and or hard all the time. They need to learn touch and have the ability to slow LB's down with an occasional play action fake. If I had a 4.3 athlete that could handle the ball I would make him a WR/punt and kickoff returner. I would use my slow, accurate throwing QB to get the 4.3 guy the ball.
AE 8008
07-13-2009, 12:36 AM
I'd go with the hungry guy that finds a way to win...maybe a little slower, maybe a little weaker arm........but the heart of a champion.
sounds like i fit your system :)
sounds like i fit your system :)
He said a little slower and a little weaker......not ALOT.:)
E-Vol-ution
07-13-2009, 10:00 AM
That hunger thing isn't about IHOP...........;)sounds like i fit your system :)
The QB who runs a 4.3 but can't make the throws
or
The QB who makes every throw with pinpoint accuracy but is as slow as molasses
Ask Troy Aikman how it worked out for him.
Allstarkaw
07-15-2009, 12:09 AM
Obviously its the Quarterback that can make the best throws.
Take the last 10 Super Bowl QB's for intstance...
You'll be lucky to find one of those QB's to run a 4.6 or faster...
Ben Roethlisberger-Slippery but not fast
Eli Manning- No where near fast
Peyton Manning-Moves like pond water
Tom Brady-Nothing need be said
Trent Dilfer- -_-
etc.
Matter-of-fact Name one Super Bowl QB [In HISTORY] to run a 4.6 much less a 4.3
mojotrain
07-15-2009, 12:39 AM
Obviously its the Quarterback that can make the best throws.
Take the last 10 Super Bowl QB's for intstance...
You'll be lucky to find one of those QB's to run a 4.6 or faster...
Ben Roethlisberger-Slippery but not fast
Eli Manning- No where near fast
Peyton Manning-Moves like pond water
Tom Brady-Nothing need be said
Trent Dilfer- -_-
etc.
Matter-of-fact Name one Super Bowl QB [In HISTORY] to run a 4.6 much less a 4.3
Just a different game. The big uglys are paid excellent money to make it un-nessessary for the higher paid QBs to sit and look pretty.
Allstarkaw
07-15-2009, 12:51 AM
Just a different game. The big uglys are paid excellent money to make it un-nessessary for the higher paid QBs to sit and look pretty.
OK take Allen's QB, Katy's QB, Wylie's QB, Southlake's QB, North Shore's QB, Trinity's QB, ...how many of those QB have blazing speed?
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E-Vol-ution
07-15-2009, 10:09 AM
I am not sure about this year's Trinity QB. Matt Brown of Allen can run very well.OK take Allen's QB, Katy's QB, Wylie's QB, Southlake's QB, North Shore's QB, Trinity's QB, ...how many of those QB have blazing speed?
0
KT2000
07-15-2009, 11:00 AM
The QB who runs a 4.3 but can't make the throws
or
The QB who makes every throw with pinpoint accuracy but is as slow as molasses
C.
Give me the one who doesn't screw up.
HUM398
07-16-2009, 12:40 PM
C.
Give me the one who doesn't screw up.
or D
Vince Young
The QB who runs a 4.3 but can't make the throws
or
The QB who makes every throw with pinpoint accuracy but is as slow as molasses
Depends what offense you run. Triple Option, Wildcat, Shotgun (slot) - QB (4.3). Shotgun (spread), 5-wide or stretch, single set - QB (6.0)
Allstarkaw
07-16-2009, 02:50 PM
Depends what offense you run. Triple Option, Wildcat, Shotgun (slot) - QB (4.3). Shotgun (spread), 5-wide or stretch, single set - QB (6.0)
The QB's that make the best decisions and throws, usually get farther than QB's that run and don't make great decisions, and can't throw...
The QB's that make the best decisions and throws, usually get farther than QB's that run and don't make great decisions, and can't throw...
Can I call you captian obvious?
BTW, water is wet.
chhspantherfan
07-16-2009, 09:58 PM
Ask Troy Aikman how it worked out for him.
Aikman was a triple option QB that played ahead of Jamaal Holloway at OU before blowing out an ankle. Coming out of HS he was known as a dual threat. Obviously, that changed at UCLA and then in the Pros. But there was a time.......damn, I feel old.
Can I call you captian obvious?
BTW, water is wet.
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s47/Johnizluv/default.jpg?t=1247877239
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s47/Johnizluv/default.jpg?t=1247877239
I smell a banhammer.:D
Bill4par
08-20-2009, 07:06 PM
The one who WINS!!!!:notworthy
Eagles
08-30-2009, 07:03 PM
I think that a Qb must have good vision and an accurate arm. The speed, for a qb, is a quality addition.
fbstangman
10-07-2009, 12:35 PM
If you are Georgia tech, you want the runner.(they are running the ex- Navy coaches option.)
If you are USC or oklahoma you want the one who can throw.
If you are Texas you want one who can do both.
fbstangman
10-07-2009, 12:37 PM
If you are Dallas,you want one who won't hit that low scoreboard.:)
taggies
10-28-2009, 09:34 PM
If you run 4.3 and can't make throws you definitely not fit as a QB lol. Move to receiver or running back.
da hawaiian
11-09-2009, 02:49 PM
Obviously its the Quarterback that can make the best throws.
Take the last 10 Super Bowl QB's for intstance...
You'll be lucky to find one of those QB's to run a 4.6 or faster...
Ben Roethlisberger-Slippery but not fast
Eli Manning- No where near fast
Peyton Manning-Moves like pond water
Tom Brady-Nothing need be said
Trent Dilfer- -_-
etc.
Matter-of-fact Name one Super Bowl QB [In HISTORY] to run a 4.6 much less a 4.3
Steve Young
b756561
11-09-2009, 09:59 PM
The one who WINS!!!!:notworthy
The single best answer on this thread.
The answer I was going to put until I saw you had already posted it.:notworthy:D:notworthy
HomeofChampions'06
11-11-2009, 03:53 AM
I'd take the pocket passer all day long. Why rely on one member of the offense's speed, when you can get 3-4 different receivers and a tight end involved as integral parts of the offense. Build them around the QB.
Of course all of this changes if you have a terrible O-Line.
ALLENFANDINGO5
11-16-2009, 07:47 PM
The one who can process the pre-snap read and is willing to go to the check down just to move the chains. I.E. Montana and Peyton Mannings
ktballer
11-27-2009, 01:53 PM
The obvious answer to your question is... The QB who can throw the ball, regardless of speed.
Now best case scenario is that he can at least run in the 4.8 - 5.0 range, but give me the guy that can make all the throws to get it to the speedy guys and I will take that over the 4.5, 4.6 guy who cant anyday. Especially Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays.
This one is the answer.
ktballer
11-27-2009, 01:55 PM
Well in highschool I would definately choose the speedy QB over the passing qb. Russel Shepard, sam proctor :notworthy, vince young, william cole. The speedy qbs dominate in highschool.
This post I disagree with. And frankly, it may help explain why Pearland has struggled to succeed in the playoffs with the talent base they have had.
ktballer
11-27-2009, 02:06 PM
I'd take the pocket passer all day long. Why rely on one member of the offense's speed, when you can get 3-4 different receivers and a tight end involved as integral parts of the offense. Build them around the QB.
Of course all of this changes if you have a terrible O-Line.
Actually, I don't think having a terrible O-line changes anything. Both QB's will be doomed with a terrible O-line. You still want a QB who can throw the ball.
How ironic to be discussing whether we want a QB who can throw or not? Duuuuh. There are 5 "speed" positions on the offense where you can put your 4.3 guys to do damage. But there is only 1 position where you can have the ability to make defenses back off and open running lanes. You need that QB to do this for your offense.
anonymousfan1
11-27-2009, 08:57 PM
Actually, I don't think having a terrible O-line changes anything. Both QB's will be doomed with a terrible O-line. You still want a QB who can throw the ball.
How ironic to be discussing whether we want a QB who can throw or not? Duuuuh. There are 5 "speed" positions on the offense where you can put your 4.3 guys to do damage. But there is only 1 position where you can have the ability to make defenses back off and open running lanes. You need that QB to do this for your offense.
I'm an option guy so i take the 4.3 guy. And for those of you that think the veer won't work anymore your wrong, you just have to have a coach that truly knows how to teach it and a quarterback who has the intangibles to truly run it right.
ktballer
11-28-2009, 09:42 AM
I love what Georgia Tech is doing. though not a veer.
O Rly?...How many of the QB's you named have won state titles?...Better yet, how many have played in the title game?
I'll give you a hint...Its less than two, but than zero.
So they dominate regualr season high school football and eventually fall to teams with QB's who can pass the rock and/or are more balanced players.
The only one to win a state championship as a running QB was William Cole with Cedar Hill in '06.
td011
11-29-2009, 09:20 AM
The passer. Especially as the talent gets better, ie. moving up in class or into college and the pros, because you can protect him, surround him with other talent, multiple good WR's etc.
On a team w/o depth, you probably rely more on the speedy athlete.
I think you only go with the 4.3 QB when you have few other alternatives.
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