Classless Wylie more than just on the field!

[UT66]

Worst display of sportsmanship I have ever witnessed at any level. I know there have been many comments about the classless player actions and you cannot compare what Wylie did to Katy. Katy player was ejected for pulling a Wylie player off of a Katy running back that was being poked repeatedly in the eyes! Brandt was wrong in pushing the Wylie player but those actions do not come close to comparing what I witnessed from Wylie. I have video of multiple after play events including an elbow to the goin of a Katy player on purpose after the play, multiple events of punches being thrown and hits after the whistle. I also have a piece in my video of the examples of taunting that by sheer number were over the top. I have put together a montage of film of those events coupled with those I extracted from the Fox viedo of the game which I will supply free of charge to all the other schools in Wylie's district.

But beyond that, if you can believe it, were the fans! Booing players is not uncommon although classless and not often seen at this level of the playoffs. But, booing the other team's band is something not often witnessed. I have video which is clearly audible of Wylie's fans booing the Katy band DURING their halftime show! Inexcusible. How do you expect your players to understand sportsmanship when the parents/fans dont have any. I also witnessed several Wylie fans yelling at Allen fans that they hoped they lost their game that night when exiting the stadium.

Now I'll be the first to admit that even Katy boos the refs and calls more than I think they should but every criticism I've ever had of Katy fans (and I have been pretty vocal in the past to them too) pales in comparison to what I witnessed yesterday afternoon. Even some of the Wylie fans I spoke with were totally embarrased by what they observed as well. I know you cant blame the all but your coaching staff had something to do with the player actions I am sure. But the fans!

I admire your teams accomplishments and you have some outstanding skill players which I enjoyed seeing in person after reading about them. The actions, however, overshadow their abilities on the field when you play that way.

I hope Wylie learns from this and the next time they make it to the marquee game they handle it a little better.

[Favpack]

What I observed on Fox was a Wylie team that pushed the envelope all day - lots of late elbows and knees, etc. I was told they only had 5 PF's all year long - but they had more than one that handled the spotlight terribly yesterday.

[rwilleby]

No good can come of this... on here, that is... :eek:

(Please note a Katy poster did not start this)

[twcpfan1]

The booing of the band was in reference to the show Narrator's mocking of the Wylie defense during the halftime show. They were justified in booing it. Perhaps the band director or whoever decided to coreograph that show are the ones who need to get taught proper sportsmanship here. It was inappropriate IMO

[caveman]

No good can come of this... on here, that is... :eek:

(Please note a Katy poster did not start this)
agreed

[Favpack]

No good can come of this... on here, that is... :eek:

(Please note a Katy poster did not start this)

While I tend to agree with you - this is now two very bad acts caught on tape - the Wylie kid No. 6 punches to a defenseless Katy player on the ground - and the Euless Trinity No. 47 running over a ref - in one week.

Alot of Texas HS football fans are just plain pi**ed off right now - and I'm one of them. Not saying coaches are at fault or anything like that - I'm saying one kid's stupid decision unfortunately can paint a bad light - for awhile anyway - on a community.

[SeeingRed]

The booing of the band was in reference to the show Narrator's mocking of the Wylie defense during the halftime show. They were justified in booing it. Perhaps the band director or whoever decided to coreograph that show are the ones who need to get taught proper sportsmanship here. It was inappropriate IMO

Rest assured that this will be addressed...too many memories of SL-Katy in 2003 to let this go...

[RocklandDragon]

The booing of the band was in reference to the show Narrator's mocking of the Wylie defense during the halftime show. They were justified in booing it. Perhaps the band director or whoever decided to coreograph that show are the ones who need to get taught proper sportsmanship here. It was inappropriate IMO

No kidding...

If that was the case, I would have no qualms with the boos then. The band is there to entertain, not to be props to mock an opposing team.

That would suck if you were a band player and you're getting showered with boos when you are just following direction and doing your best.

Shame...

:(

[twcpfan1]

Rest assured that this will be addressed...too many memories of SL-Katy in 2003 to let this go...


what happened in 03?

[katyfan52]

The booing of the band was in reference to the show Narrator's mocking of the Wylie defense during the halftime show. They were justified in booing it. Perhaps the band director or whoever decided to coreograph that show are the ones who need to get taught proper sportsmanship here. It was inappropriate IMO
That is a standard playoff show. They've done it before without the editorializing. Whoever wrote the script for the announcer needs to take another look.:ninja:

[Favpack]

No kidding...

If that was the case, I would have no qualms with the boos then. The band is there to entertain, not to be props to mock an opposing team.

That would suck if you were a band player and you're getting showered with boos when you are just following direction and doing your best.

Shame...

:(

Way too many uppity band directors these days IMO.

[PeteThePirate]

Let me see if I have this straight......

It is okay for the Katy Band to taunt the Wylie fans by announcing they will be re-enacting the 2nd half of the game and then show Katy running past Wylie for a touchdown.

- But -

Its not okay for Wylie to boo at that taunting.

Okay, now I understand how your definition of the mythical concept "Classy" works...hahahahahah

And by the way, if you have some supposed video showing muggings, and assault and batteries, I wish you would simply post it to Youtube and share it with the rest of us rather than making these wild threats and accusations.

P.S. If that is indeed a "standard playoff show" then I would like to counter-sue the plaintiff's accusation of "Classlessness".

[Dynastybegan86]

Worst display of sportsmanship I have ever witnessed at any level. I know there have been many comments about the classless player actions and you cannot compare what Wylie did to Katy. Katy player was ejected for pulling a Wylie player off of a Katy running back that was being poked repeatedly in the eyes! Brandt was wrong in pushing the Wylie player but those actions do not come close to comparing what I witnessed from Wylie. I have video of multiple after play events including an elbow to the goin of a Katy player on purpose after the play, multiple events of punches being thrown and hits after the whistle. I also have a piece in my video of the examples of taunting that by sheer number were over the top. I have put together a montage of film of those events coupled with those I extracted from the Fox viedo of the game which I will supply free of charge to all the other schools in Wylie's district.

But beyond that, if you can believe it, were the fans! Booing players is not uncommon although classless and not often seen at this level of the playoffs. But, booing the other team's band is something not often witnessed. I have video which is clearly audible of Wylie's fans booing the Katy band DURING their halftime show! Inexcusible. How do you expect your players to understand sportsmanship when the parents/fans dont have any. I also witnessed several Wylie fans yelling at Allen fans that they hoped they lost their game that night when exiting the stadium.

Now I'll be the first to admit that even Katy boos the refs and calls more than I think they should but every criticism I've ever had of Katy fans (and I have been pretty vocal in the past to them too) pales in comparison to what I witnessed yesterday afternoon. Even some of the Wylie fans I spoke with were totally embarrased by what they observed as well. I know you cant blame the all but your coaching staff had something to do with the player actions I am sure. But the fans!

I admire your teams accomplishments and you have some outstanding skill players which I enjoyed seeing in person after reading about them. The actions, however, overshadow their abilities on the field when you play that way.

I hope Wylie learns from this and the next time they make it to the marquee game they handle it a little better.


While much of this is true, this forum is not the place for it. It will breed more of the same.

[twcpfan1]

That is a standard playoff show. They've done it before without the editorializing. Whoever wrote the script for the announcer needs to take another look.:ninja:

Yes it's the editorializing they took exception to. If for nothing else, a pretty poor interpretation of that particular segment of the show. The show itself was not the problem.

[Dynastybegan86]

Let me see if I have this straight......

It is okay for the Katy Band to taunt the Wylie fans by announcing they will be re-enacting the 2nd half of the game and then show Katy running past Wylie for a touchdown.

- But -

Its not okay for Wylie to boo at that taunting.

Okay, now I understand how your definition of the mythical concept "Classy" works...hahahahahah

And by the way, if you have some supposed video showing muggings, and assault and batteries, I wish you would simply post it to Youtube and share it with the rest of us rather than making these wild threats and accusations.

I think you know better, it is NOT ok for the Katy band folk to do this! BTW, thread not started by a Katy fan.

[katyfan52]

Let me see if I have this straight......

It is okay for the Katy Band to taunt the Wylie fans by announcing they will be re-enacting the 2nd half of the game and then show Katy running past Wylie for a touchdown. No, it's not okay. But it wasn't the band, it was the announcer, which the kids likely had nothing with.

- But -

Its not okay for Wylie to boo at that taunting. Considering all the circumstances, their actions are understandable.

Okay, now I understand how your definition of the mythical concept "Classy" works...hahahahahah

And by the way, if you have some supposed video showing muggings, and assault and batteries, I wish you would simply post it to Youtube and share it with the rest of us rather than making these wild threats and accusations.
Please read the rest of the thread and see the Katy responses to this topic which was not started by a Katy poster. :)

[katyfan52]

I think you know better, it is NOT ok for the Katy band folk to do this! BTW, thread not started by a Katy fan.
Beat me to it, and more concisely. :o Big surprise. ;)

[PeteThePirate]

What I observed on Fox was a Wylie team that pushed the envelope all day - lots of late elbows and knees, etc. I was told they only had 5 PF's all year long - but they had more than one that handled the spotlight terribly yesterday.



Other than the following.....

Katy - unsportsmanlike for hitting a defender after the play
Wylie - personal foul hitting at the bottom of the pile
Katy - personal foul for "helping" a Wylie player up (hahahahaha)
Wylie - personal foul for a block to the ground

Many have the game DVR taped, and we would appreciate if you would give specific incidents and times so that the rest of us can review the validity of your observations.

[MemorialMustangs]

No kidding...

If that was the case, I would have no qualms with the boos then. The band is there to entertain, not to be props to mock an opposing team.

That would suck if you were a band player and you're getting showered with boos when you are just following direction and doing your best.

Shame...

:(


Just to throw it out there (even though it doesnt compare)... At the Stratford game, every year they boo us and turn around for the halftime show (one year they threw stuff at us)... But I can honestly say, it was always fun... I would look at the guy next to me and wed laugh about it as we walked by... Every year we have gone on the field we've been up by at least 2 possessions, so I can understand why they were booing :Music... But I guess it is a rivalry and even though our fans dont do near the same thing, it isnt that bad (and it is the student section after all that is booing us)... But there is a difference between a rivalry game and a state championship game between two schools that probably have never played each other...

Now I didnt hear what the narrator said, but I would hope that it was meant as a joke (not supposed to be taken too seriously)... But either a misunderstood joke or an insult, I dont blame the Wylie fans for booing...

[b.man]

Other than the following.....

Katy - unsportsmanlike for hitting a defender after the play
Wylie - personal foul hitting at the bottom of the pile
Katy - personal foul for "helping" a Wylie player up (hahahahaha)
Wylie - personal foul for a block to the ground

Many have the game DVR taped, and we would appreciate if you would give specific incidents and times so that the rest of us can review the validity of your observations.

Nut shot by your defender on the goal line during the first touchdown play. Your defender reared back and punched strait at the nads. Was right in front of our group...

[AHMOPirate08]

Most of the Pirate players were complaining of Katy players hitting them below the waist, but since #6 is ejected, it's okay to keep bashing Wylie over and over again? Did we all of the sudden forget that #75 was ejected for Katy, and that it's alright to keep taunting the other team?

Bah, It's just useless rambling, there is absolutely no reason for you to keep bashing Wylie OVER 1 FREAKING GAME.

[Pool Man]

Other than the following.....

Katy - unsportsmanlike for hitting a defender after the play
Wylie - personal foul hitting at the bottom of the pile
Katy - personal foul for "helping" a Wylie player up (hahahahaha)
Wylie - personal foul for a block to the ground

Many have the game DVR taped, and we would appreciate if you would give specific incidents and times so that the rest of us can review the validity of your observations.

I can't remember if it was the second or third play from scrimmage on the first drive for Katy, but look at the sucker punch #6 threw on Katy's #3 at the end of the play.

I don't have a problem talking about this. The video footage is that obvious. I'm not condoning anything done in poor conduct. Katy's Taylor Brandt did hit the guy after the play in frustration but that is different from actually throwing punches. As far as Travis being ejected for Katy, I can't speak to that until I see the film tomorrow. The Fox footage didn't show it.

The bottom line is, until people quit wallering in their pride and are honest with themselves about their actions, they can't improve themselves. I don't care what team your on, this type of play needs to stop and the coaches and fans need to teach the up and coming generations the right way to behave.

[trainin' the game]

Most of the Pirate players were complaining of Katy players hitting them below the waist, but since #6 is ejected, it's okay to keep bashing Wylie over and over again? Did we all of the sudden forget that #75 was ejected for Katy, and that it's alright to keep taunting the other team?

Bah, It's just useless rambling, there is absolutely no reason for you to keep bashing Wylie OVER 1 FREAKING GAME.


dude it has been you guys m.o. for awhile now; youguys just proved it on the biggest high school football stage:p; so you boys are gonna have to just take it for awhile, and your coaching staff is going to have to go to some charater classes and change the way things are done over there.

you boys might want to try this saying to start off "charater counts all the time, and all the time charater counts!" now you say it:p

[HomeofChampions'06]

It just shows that Wylie wasn't ready for what Katy had to offer...on offense...or on defense. The Pirates had their little temper tantrums and it certainly didn't score them any touchdowns. Heck, they got a field goal from a miraculous play in the third quarter. If that hadn't happened this may have been a shut out. I wonder what the Wylie team would have done to the Katy players if that had been the case. I guess we'll never know...

[Oiler99]

okay okay normally i would jus shake this off as two opponents quarrelling over a heated game, but then as i read i was reminded of a soccer game we played last year that had to be ended before the full time, guess the opponent? It was wylie, as the game was played the were numerous racial slurs being said, late tackles and other dirty play. Then they had two fans who sat right on the sideline and continued the taunting and slurs, all the way until one of our players had enough and cleared the ball out of bounces, which just happened to hit the two guys. This action in no way is condoned, but what happened afterwards left me speechless the wylie fan ran onto the field trying to confront the player and had to be escorted out by the police, only after there bench cleared and ran onto the field tryin to fight.... I had waved this off as a one off incident and result of a competitive heated game, but this just brought back to many memories.

[drgnbkr]

what happened in 03?

Really...I don't know how Carroll got drug into this...?

[07KTsmitty74]

Other than the following.....

Katy - unsportsmanlike for hitting a defender after the play
Wylie - personal foul hitting at the bottom of the pile
Katy - personal foul for "helping" a Wylie player up (hahahahaha)
Wylie - personal foul for a block to the ground

Many have the game DVR taped, and we would appreciate if you would give specific incidents and times so that the rest of us can review the validity of your observations.


even though the defensive player lowered his shoulder into him.... brandt just won the battle

[07KTsmitty74]

Most of the Pirate players were complaining of Katy players hitting them below the waist, but since #6 is ejected, it's okay to keep bashing Wylie over and over again? Did we all of the sudden forget that #75 was ejected for Katy, and that it's alright to keep taunting the other team?

Bah, It's just useless rambling, there is absolutely no reason for you to keep bashing Wylie OVER 1 FREAKING GAME.



75 got ejected for pulling off a defensive player who had his hands in our runningbacks face.... there were a lot of things that wylie didnt get caught for... like the low blows in the endzone after we scored... we had 2 guys down

[ktCarl]

Really...I don't know how Carroll got drug into this...?

Please leave the room!!!! Don't need any more haters including the Carroll friends I have made. I didn't know ANYTHING happened in the '03 game. I thought it was clean and very well played by both teams.

[PeteThePirate]

#1. ) 75 got ejected for pulling off a defensive player who had his hands in our runningbacks face.... there were a lot of things that wylie didnt get caught for... #2.) like the low blows in the endzone after we scored... we had 2 guys down


#1) Of course he was......and #6 for Wylie was just picking daisy's off of the back of the running backs jersey.

#2) Which touchdown was that? I have reviewed both. Please give more details so that all can closely review your accusations on the recorded game.

[PeteThePirate]

even though the defensive player lowered his shoulder into him.... brandt just won the battle

That's not the way the referee viewed it. And he was standing right there.

[Big Daddy Cool]

On the subject of unruly and classless fans you have to remember come playoff time the freaks come out of the woodwork. Just as we experience every year you also see it at the games. Playoff time brings out the people who haven't followed the team all season, but because their team is now in the playoffs they are its biggest most diehard fans. I think we've all seen them on our own side as well as the opposing side. And then there are some people that just are not happy in life unless they are making a fool of themselves.

[ktCarl]

Most of the Pirate players were complaining of Katy players hitting them below the waist, but since #6 is ejected, it's okay to keep bashing Wylie over and over again? Did we all of the sudden forget that #75 was ejected for Katy, and that it's alright to keep taunting the other team?

Bah, It's just useless rambling, there is absolutely no reason for you to keep bashing Wylie OVER 1 FREAKING GAME.

Do you mean blocking below the waist? If you are concerned with tackling below the waist then I would recommend Wylie give up playing football and stick with tennis.

I thought ejecting a player from both teams was an attempt of the refs to get control of the game which they should do. After that the coaches better start controlling the players better.

[ktCarl]

On the subject of unruly and classless fans you have to remember come playoff time the freaks come out of the woodwork. Just as we experience every year you also see it at the games. Playoff time brings out the people who haven't followed the team all season, but because their team is now in the playoffs they are its biggest most diehard fans. I think we've all seen them on our own side as well as the opposing side. And then there are some people that just are not happy in life unless they are making a fool of themselves.

Most excellent post!! :notworthy

These type of playoff fans also grace this forum and will disappear after Christmas.

[ktCarl]

Let me see if I have this straight......

It is okay for the Katy Band to taunt the Wylie fans by announcing they will be re-enacting the 2nd half of the game and then show Katy running past Wylie for a touchdown.

- But -

Its not okay for Wylie to boo at that taunting.

Okay, now I understand how your definition of the mythical concept "Classy" works...hahahahahah

And by the way, if you have some supposed video showing muggings, and assault and batteries, I wish you would simply post it to Youtube and share it with the rest of us rather than making these wild threats and accusations.

P.S. If that is indeed a "standard playoff show" then I would like to counter-sue the plaintiff's accusation of "Classlessness".

I'm glad I was in search of food and drink when the Katy band did that. I don't condone that. Speaking of bands...I did get back to my seat in time to see the Wylie drummer trip and fall. Is he O.K.? I hope he wasn't injured too badly and has a good Christmas.

[PeteThePirate]

1.) I can't remember if it was the second or third play from scrimmage on the first drive for Katy, but look at the sucker punch #6 threw on Katy's #3 at the end of the play.

I don't have a problem talking about this. The video footage is that obvious. I'm not condoning anything done in poor conduct. Katy's Taylor Brandt did hit the guy after the play in frustration but that is different from actually throwing punches. As far as Travis being ejected for Katy, I can't speak to that until I see the film tomorrow. The Fox footage didn't show it.

2.) The bottom line is, until people quit wallering in their pride and are honest with themselves about their actions, they can't improve themselves. I don't care what team your on, this type of play needs to stop and the coaches and fans need to teach the up and coming generations the right way to behave.

1.) Just replayed the second play where #3 was sweeping around from the opposite side of the field to block. #3 had just disengaged from one block looked for another as #6 came blowing into the action and made a clean hard hit him before the whistle blew the play dead (you can clearly hear the whistle on the replay). Referees were right there. No penalty was called even though all saw the play. No player on the field suggested it was a late hit. No coach appealed to the referees. Review the video for yourself and see.

2.) Agreed that knife cuts both ways. As long as we don't have one man trying to tell how his neighbor's yard is dirty, when the man has things that need cleaning up in his own yard.

[PeteThePirate]

I'm glad I was in search of food and drink when the Katy band did that. I don't condone that. Speaking of bands...I did get back to my seat in time to see the Wylie drummer trip and fall. Is he O.K.? I hope he wasn't injured too badly and has a good Christmas.

Thank you Mr. Carl.

I didn't see the tripped drummer, but I will ask around.

Speaking of drums, that trash can drum display was unique for half-time entertainment and was fun to watch. I'm only glad they had the Jumbo-tron to see it up close.

[thenxtgr8thang]

this isn't the first time wylie had been accused of dirty play i remember hearing from someone about a game against Berkner a couple years ago and the refs almost ended the game early cuz of dirty play...twisting ankles and the bottom of piles and some other stuff....idk what you expect from a team whos motto is AHMO...WHOOP YO BUTT...its one thing to do it on the field but dirty play...give me a break...and if you say it happens more than you think IT DOESNT if you a coach has control of his kids...

[62tiger]

Game is over....These are 15 to 18 yr old kids...Have 2 that played DB for Katy....They said both sides were talking trash.....It's a FB field during the State Game!

Did a few things get a little out of hand....Yes. Alot of things happen in the bottom of piles...99% do not get seen.

Ball was playing a great game...I am sure nobody feels worse than him. His punishment is done. I do not know him but I would bet he is a great kid from a great family....These kids are under a lot of pressure. More than most of know......


Good luck to the Wylie kids in the future. Thank you Tigers for truly special year.

[85Roughneck]

That's not the way the referee viewed it. And he was standing right there.

c'mon Pete, you gotta know the difference between a personal foul that is a late hit after the whistle is blown right in front of the ref and a personal foul that is punching someone in the nads right in front of the ref after the play is dead.

don'tcha ? :confused:

btw, do you really believe the Wylie defender would have averted hitting #84 (on the FSN video he did not). The Wylie players path was heading right for #84 and he didn't break stride either. If you ask me both players were at fault on that play.

[SLC]

Game is over....These are 15 to 18 yr old kids...Have 2 that played DB for Katy....They said both sides were talking trash.....It's a FB field during the State Game!

Did a few things get a little out of hand....Yes. Alot of things happen in the bottom of piles...99% do not get seen.
Ball was playing a great game...I am sure nobody feels worse than him. His punishment is done. I do not know him but I would bet he is a great kid from a great family....These kids are under a lot of pressure. More than most of know......


Good luck to the Wylie kids in the future. Thank you Tigers for truly special year.


I appreciate your post sir. Some excellent points I highlighted above, that go to heart of exactly what happens during games.. So many times people want to think that its one sided. The above is true 100% of the time, even when others dont choose to believe it.

[PeteThePirate]

1.) c'mon Pete, you gotta know the difference between a personal foul that is a late hit after the whistle is blown right in front of the ref and a personal foul that is punching someone in the nads right in front of the ref after the play is dead.

don'tcha ? :confused:

btw, do you really believe the Wylie defender would have averted hitting #84 (on the FSN video he did not). The Wylie players path was heading right for #84 and he didn't break stride either. 2.) If you ask me both players were at fault on that play.

1.) I was not comparing the two fouls. My post was in response to a claim that a late hit penalty should have been called on the 2nd play of Katy's first offensive possession.

The 2nd play of Katy's first offensive possession did NOT result in a foul and I also concur with the officiating crew. The action occurred in full view of the officials and no call was made. Please review the game, it was not a late hit.

Please give me detailed information about the nut-buster play? When did it occur? Can it be seen on the video?

2.) I understand that is what you believe and perhaps if I were in your shoes I would have a different perspective. But the official was "right there" and the call he made was personal foul on the Katy receiver. And once again, I agree with the call on the field.

Katy played great game. Wylie is a scappy team that tried hard to keep the game close. There was alot of aggression displayed on the field by both sides but I believe the referrees did the right thing.

#6 like many young men made a mistake and will learn from it.

Luckily this time we have a video tape to individually review all of these other accusations.

[62tiger]

I appreciate your post sir. Some excellent points I highlighted above, that go to heart of exactly what happens during games.. So many times people want to think that its one sided. The above is true 100% of the time, even when others dont choose to believe it.

I played FB at Westchester in the early 80's. We had a NG that would chew Tobacco during the game and let spit drool into players earholes and facemasks in piles. It's FB!

My dad played for the NY Giants in the 40's. When it was cold in the Polo Grounds and the footballs would get frozen.....they would let a disruptive Defensive player get thru and the QB would throw it right at their nose.....They did not wear facemasks back then!

[Wypirates03]

Jesus Criminey!

It's football for crying out loud. Katy players were punching Wylie players all game as well. Fortunately for them, it was in the bigger piles.

P.S. I do not condone the vulgar activites by either side.

[THAT Wylie Band Mom]

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/kahaase/troll-web.jpg

No kidding...

If that was the case, I would have no qualms with the boos then. The band is there to entertain, not to be props to mock an opposing team.

That would suck if you were a band player and you're getting showered with boos when you are just following direction and doing your best.

Shame...

:(

Exactly the reason this Wylie fan boo'd the Katy Band. They were disrespecting our team.

http://5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/kahaase/Katy-AHMO.jpg%5B/IMG%5D

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[chhspantherfan]

I played FB at Westchester in the early 80's. We had a NG that would chew Tobacco during the game and let spit drool into players earholes and facemasks in piles. It's FB!

My dad played for the NY Giants in the 40's. When it was cold in the Polo Grounds and the footballs would get frozen.....they would let a disruptive Defensive player get thru and the QB would throw it right at their nose.....They did not wear facemasks back then!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/Dogearteam.jpg:rolleyes:

[EagleDude73]

there was discussion before this game if Reliant was the right venue. Apparently it was, these kids were not used to cameras video-taping they're actions. next year will be the same. Pete, you're gonna look like a total A$$ once the video from the end zone is posted so i suggest you STFU. Your'e credibility forever on this board is gone. Wylie is now in the same class as the 50's Galveston Ball. I believe they were eventually sanctioned by the UIL for no home games for about 5 years. Keep it up Wylie, your next.

[EagleDude73]

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Exactly the reason this Wylie fan boo'd the Katy Band. They were disrespecting our team.

http://5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/kahaase/Katy-AHMO.jpg%5B/IMG%5D

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your team, community, etc. needs to be disrespected. you might as well claim Oklahoma.

[62tiger]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/Dogearteam.jpg:rolleyes:



Nice!!!!!!!!!!!

[AHMOPirate08]

I went back through the replay on FSSW, and their were some blatant penalties that should have been called for both sides. A Katy player should have been called for a Horsecollar tackle when Monk scrambled to the sidelines on Wylie's first possession. But let's forget about Katy, and focus our attention on bashing Wylie, and only Wylie.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

you might as well claim Oklahoma.

OUCH!:eek:

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I went back through the replay on FSSW, and their were some blatant penalties that should have been called for both sides. A Katy player should have been called for a Horsecollar tackle when Monk scrambled to the sidelines on Wylie's first possession. But let's forget about Katy, and focus our attention on bashing Wylie, and only Wylie.

I didn't know that they had horse collar penalties in high school! Learn something new everyday!

[AHMOPirate08]

I believed that introduced the penalty 2 years ago, not sure at all. But the tackle was replayed like 5 times on the Jumbo-trons.


Also, I would like to let you know that the coaches have no control over the player's actions on the field, except the play call. It's up to the player whether he wants to control his emotions and actions, or to let it take control of him and do what they do, which is taking it out.

[katyfan52]

I didn't know that they had horse collar penalties in high school! Learn something new everyday!
Yep. They've had them in the NCAA but just started penalizing for them in the UIL this year.

[rwilleby]

Also, I would like to let you know that the coaches have no control over the player's actions on the field, except the play call. It's up to the player...

Ha! Well then you've not met the Katy Coaching staff...

[AHMOPirate08]

You're right, I haven't met the Katy coaching staff at all. Considering I live about 250 miles from Katy. But have you met the Wylie coaching staff? Guess not. Most of the people on here haven't talked with one of them, they are just making their "crap-filled" statements about them because of a couple of cheap shots.

[PeteThePirate]

there was discussion before this game if Reliant was the right venue. Apparently it was, these kids were not used to cameras video-taping they're actions. next year will be the same. Pete, you're gonna look like a total A$$ once the video from the end zone is posted so i suggest you STFU. Your'e credibility forever on this board is gone. Wylie is now in the same class as the 50's Galveston Ball. I believe they were eventually sanctioned by the UIL for no home games for about 5 years. Keep it up Wylie, your next.

No credibility issue here.

I don't condone illegal actions on the football field.

But I don't alway believe everything anonymous posters post. Nor will you see me post something like STFU in a thread about who's has "class" and who doesnt. hahahah

So show me the evidence, and stop all the posturing.

[JagFan]

I believed that introduced the penalty 2 years ago, not sure at all. But the tackle was replayed like 5 times on the Jumbo-trons.


Also, I would like to let you know that the coaches have no control over the player's actions on the field, except the play call. It's up to the player whether he wants to control his emotions and actions, or to let it take control of him and do what they do, which is taking it out.

You are kidding right?

[Cody]

[QUOTE=07KTsmitty74;1071354]even though the defensive player lowered his shoulder into him.... brandt just won the battle[/QUOTE

Brandt got shoved and shoved back, and just because the Wylie player was so much weaker, it is a penalty? NO WAY!

MESS WITH THE BULL, YOU ARE GONNA GET THE HORNS.

[EagleDude73]

No credibility issue here.

I don't condone illegal actions on the football field.

But I don't alway believe everything anonymous posters post. Nor will you see me post something like STFU in a thread about who's has "class" and who doesnt. hahahah

So show me the evidence, and stop all the posturing.

Pal, I assure you the evidence is there and once it is presented with your 200 drive by post you will disappear just like your Ammo has this year. Welcome to Pearland's loser lounge, enjoy a hurricane and I'll visit you in the one and done lounge next year. Winter soltice and the yard has begun.

[Texas Bob]

This season I’ve noticed an increase in personal fouls calls in general. There was a time when personal fouls were rare and usually happened toward the end of the game because of player frustration. Now they appear to be a part of some teams’ game plan. The rules are there to prevent injury. Our society has become so jaded that a foul is a foul only if you get caught. Some fouls are an error in play; other fouls and personal fouls are usually a method of gaining an unfair advantage or what we called in the old days “Cheating”.
So whose fault is this? Who is responsible? The coaching staff is responsible; they set the tone and the character of the team. All coaches better wake up and take control of this or our sport will suffer.

[Footballman1]

Worst display of sportsmanship I have ever witnessed at any level. I know there have been many comments about the classless player actions and you cannot compare what Wylie did to Katy. Katy player was ejected for pulling a Wylie player off of a Katy running back that was being poked repeatedly in the eyes! Brandt was wrong in pushing the Wylie player but those actions do not come close to comparing what I witnessed from Wylie. I have video of multiple after play events including an elbow to the goin of a Katy player on purpose after the play, multiple events of punches being thrown and hits after the whistle. I also have a piece in my video of the examples of taunting that by sheer number were over the top. I have put together a montage of film of those events coupled with those I extracted from the Fox viedo of the game which I will supply free of charge to all the other schools in Wylie's district.

But beyond that, if you can believe it, were the fans! Booing players is not uncommon although classless and not often seen at this level of the playoffs. But, booing the other team's band is something not often witnessed. I have video which is clearly audible of Wylie's fans booing the Katy band DURING their halftime show! Inexcusible. How do you expect your players to understand sportsmanship when the parents/fans dont have any. I also witnessed several Wylie fans yelling at Allen fans that they hoped they lost their game that night when exiting the stadium.

Now I'll be the first to admit that even Katy boos the refs and calls more than I think they should but every criticism I've ever had of Katy fans (and I have been pretty vocal in the past to them too) pales in comparison to what I witnessed yesterday afternoon. Even some of the Wylie fans I spoke with were totally embarrased by what they observed as well. I know you cant blame the all but your coaching staff had something to do with the player actions I am sure. But the fans!

I admire your teams accomplishments and you have some outstanding skill players which I enjoyed seeing in person after reading about them. The actions, however, overshadow their abilities on the field when you play that way.

I hope Wylie learns from this and the next time they make it to the marquee game they handle it a little better.

did u capture Swanson #88 on katys fg team taking a shot to the :confused:

[sportsjunkie40]

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dude it has been you guys m.o. for awhile now; youguys just proved it on the biggest high school football stage:p; so you boys are gonna have to just take it for awhile, and your coaching staff is going to have to go to some charater classes and change the way things are done over there.

you boys might want to try this saying to start off "charater counts all the time, and all the time charater counts!" now you say it:p

I agree with you on this but lets not pretend CHILL is a bunch of choir boys either....come on now

[sportsjunkie40]

It just shows that Wylie wasn't ready for what Katy had to offer...on offense...or on defense. The Pirates had their little temper tantrums and it certainly didn't score them any touchdowns. Heck, they got a field goal from a miraculous play in the third quarter. If that hadn't happened this may have been a shut out. I wonder what the Wylie team would have done to the Katy players if that had been the case. I guess we'll never know...

And here comes the yearbook staff.....

[PeteThePirate]

Pal, I assure you the evidence is there and once it is presented with your 200 drive by post you will disappear just like your Ammo has this year. Welcome to Pearland's loser lounge, enjoy a hurricane and I'll visit you in the one and done lounge next year. Winter soltice and the yard has begun.

blah, blah, blah.....etc. etc. etc.

"...So show me the evidence, and stop all the posturing."

[Footballman1]

Let me see if I have this straight......

It is okay for the Katy Band to taunt the Wylie fans by announcing they will be re-enacting the 2nd half of the game and then show Katy running past Wylie for a touchdown.

- But -

Its not okay for Wylie to boo at that taunting.

Okay, now I understand how your definition of the mythical concept "Classy" works...hahahahahah

And by the way, if you have some supposed video showing muggings, and assault and batteries, I wish you would simply post it to Youtube and share it with the rest of us rather than making these wild threats and accusations.

P.S. If that is indeed a "standard playoff show" then I would like to counter-sue the plaintiff's accusation of "Classlessness".

i dnt have the video to the game but ill send u the final:p

[sportsjunkie40]

there was discussion before this game if Reliant was the right venue. Apparently it was, these kids were not used to cameras video-taping they're actions. next year will be the same. Pete, you're gonna look like a total A$$ once the video from the end zone is posted so i suggest you STFU. Your'e credibility forever on this board is gone. Wylie is now in the same class as the 50's Galveston Ball. I believe they were eventually sanctioned by the UIL for no home games for about 5 years. Keep it up Wylie, your next.

Who the heck has cred. on this board?:D

[sportsjunkie40]

I didn't know that they had horse collar penalties in high school! Learn something new everyday!

Well they do

[HomeofChampions'06]

I went back through the replay on FSSW, and their were some blatant penalties that should have been called for both sides. A Katy player should have been called for a Horsecollar tackle when Monk scrambled to the sidelines on Wylie's first possession. But let's forget about Katy, and focus our attention on bashing Wylie, and only Wylie.

Whitlock had a horsecollar tackle himself.

[85Roughneck]

1.) I was not comparing the two fouls. My post was in response to a claim that a late hit penalty should have been called on the 2nd play of Katy's first offensive possession.

The 2nd play of Katy's first offensive possession did NOT result in a foul and I also concur with the officiating crew. The action occurred in full view of the officials and no call was made. Please review the game, it was not a late hit.

Please give me detailed information about the nut-buster play? When did it occur? Can it be seen on the video?

2.) I understand that is what you believe and perhaps if I were in your shoes I would have a different perspective. But the official was "right there" and the call he made was personal foul on the Katy receiver. And once again, I agree with the call on the field.

Katy played great game. Wylie is a scappy team that tried hard to keep the game close. There was alot of aggression displayed on the field by both sides but I believe the referrees did the right thing.

#6 like many young men made a mistake and will learn from it.

Luckily this time we have a video tape to individually review all of these other accusations.

agreed ...

you and I are on the same page, Pete. I should have been more precise with my post. I watched the video and the two PF calls I referred to are the one on Katy's #84 late hit (clear view foul on video with ref right there) and the one on Wylie's #6 clearly punching Katy's #4 in the midsection (clear view foul on video with ref right there).

I state "ref right there" in both PF descriptions because the refs did see both fouls in clear view. You and I sitting in the stands could easily see Katy's #84 make his PF, but the PF committed by Wylie's #6 was in the pile and not in plain view for you and I. I believe the ref crew did a good job of controling the game and getting the dirty stuff under control.

All in all, as hinted by 62tiger in another post ... this is football and it's supposed to be rough. I played for 6 years and I was as rough as I could be within the rules of the game. I just don't think it's ever acceptable to try to inflict or try to inflict permanent injury upon another player. The Wylie defender that Katy's #84 hit late was wearing full pads so the likelyhood of him popping right back up and continuing on is high. When a player is at the bottom of the pile and he gets punched in the nads or in the kidney that could cause severe damage. He could have to leave the game and not return because he's urinating blood.

Again, Pete, you and I are saying the same thing I believe. I just felt that #84 committed a PF that could be maybe with rose-colored glasses on be looked at more as self defense because the Wylie defender was still coming at him at full speed after the whistle blew. #6 punching someone in the mid-section while down in the pile is just plain dirty and I think you would agree.

[85Roughneck]

This season I’ve noticed an increase in personal fouls calls in general. There was a time when personal fouls were rare and usually happened toward the end of the game because of player frustration. Now they appear to be a part of some teams’ game plan. The rules are there to prevent injury. Our society has become so jaded that a foul is a foul only if you get caught. Some fouls are an error in play; other fouls and personal fouls are usually a method of gaining an unfair advantage or what we called in the old days “Cheating”.
So whose fault is this? Who is responsible? The coaching staff is responsible; they set the tone and the character of the team. All coaches better wake up and take control of this of our sport will suffer.

spot on, Texas Bob, SPOT ON !!! :notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[EagleDude73]

agreed ...

you and I are on the same page, Pete. I should have been more precise with my post. I watched the video and the two PF calls I referred to are the one on Katy's #84 late hit (clear view foul on video with ref right there) and the one on Wylie's #6 clearly punching Katy's #4 in the midsection (clear view foul on video with ref right there).

I state "ref right there" in both PF descriptions because the refs did see both fouls in clear view. You and I sitting in the stands could easily see Katy's #84 make his PF, but the PF committed by Wylie's #6 was in the pile and not in plain view for you and I. I believe the ref crew did a good job of controling the game and getting the dirty stuff under control.

All in all, as hinted by 62tiger in another post ... this is football and it's supposed to be rough. I played for 6 years and I was as rough as I could be within the rules of the game. I just don't think it's ever acceptable to try to inflict or try to inflict permanent injury upon another player. The Wylie defender that Katy's #84 hit late was wearing full pads so the likelyhood of him popping right back up and continuing on is high. When a player is at the bottom of the pile and he gets punched in the nads or in the kidney that could cause severe damage. He could have to leave the game and not return because he's urinating blood.
Again, Pete, you and I are saying the same thing I believe. I just felt that #84 committed a PF that could be maybe with rose-colored glasses on be looked at more as self defense because the Wylie defender was still coming at him at full speed after the whistle blew. #6 punching someone in the mid-section while down in the pile is just plain dirty and I think you would agree.

This is what i stated last night and was made fun of by SLC posters saying my sons should go to ballet classes. Do Katy or West Columbia players go to ballet classes?

[HomeofChampions'06]

And here comes the yearbook staff.....

...and to think I commended you Wylie people all playoffs for having class as posters on this board. I was most definitely wrong. Go home and stay home. We don't want yall back in Houston. Yall just bring down all the suck from Dallas.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

What I observed on Fox was a Wylie team that pushed the envelope all day - lots of late elbows and knees, etc. I was told they only had 5 PF's all year long - but they had more than one that handled the spotlight terribly yesterday.

They had 3 against Plano in week 6. Trust me they have gotten alot more than just 5.. Wylie always has been a dirty team since they have been in Plano's district. They get even more dirtier when things start going bad on the field. A bit WT with a chip on their shoulder if you ask me much like their neighbors to the south.