Thoughts on both state finals

[twcpfan1]

1. The spread offense is boring and painful to watch the way teams play it these days. Coaches, add a little more balance to your offense so you can make adjustments mid game. Not 1 spread team seems to be able to do that. None of the 3 that played today could run the ball effectively. Although, I will admit, the Allen HT game was pretty absorbing from a competitive standpoint. That was fun.

2. Having said that, Katy would have matched up well with both D1 finalists. Their game is far more refined and balanced by quite a long way. I believe they would have won by a similar margin against the D1 finalists.

3. Defense wins championships. Katy tightened theirs up by the 2nd quarter. Allen, by the 2nd half.

4. Special teams and the kicking game is key. Wylie hurt themselves. So did Hightower. On the flipside the 63 yd punt by the Allen punter from his own endzone was BIG. 5a schoos have thousands of kids. I can't understand why so many schools cannot come up with 1 decent kicker/punter.

5. Katy has the best coaching staff in Texas by far.

6. The Allen fans are the best looking in Texas next to College Park and The Woodlands.

[Fan4Life]

1. The spread offense is boring and painful to watch the way teams play it these days. Coaches, add a little more balance to your offense so you can make adjustments mid game. Not 1 spread team seems to be able to do that. None of the 3 that played today could run the ball effectively. Although, I will admit, the Allen HT game was pretty absorbing from a competitive standpoint. That was fun.

2. Having said that, Katy would have matched up well with both D1 finalists. Their game is far more refined and balanced by quite a long way. I believe they would have won by a similar margin against the D1 finalists.

3. Defense wins championships. Katy tightened theirs up by the 2nd quarter. Allen, by the 2nd half.

4. Special teams and the kicking game is key. Wylie hurt themselves. So did Hightower. On the flipside the 63 yd punt by the Allen punter from his own endzone was BIG. 5a schoos have thousands of kids. I can't understand why so many schools cannot come up with 1 decent kicker/punter.

5. Katy has the best coaching staff in Texas by far.

6. The Allen fans are the best looking in Texas next to College Park and The Woodlands.



Thank you!!:notworthy:notworthy

I mean if it works, then by all means use it, but i honestly think its boring to watch as well. I love the running teams, no matter what the offensive scheme is as long as the ball is on the ground with a lil play action here or there.

[The Wet Mustard]

1. The spread offense is boring and painful to watch the way teams play it these days. Coaches, add a little more balance to your offense so you can make adjustments mid game. Not 1 spread team seems to be able to do that. None of the 3 that played today could run the ball effectively. Although, i will admit, the allen ht game was pretty absorbing from a competitive standpoint. That was fun.

2. Having said that, katy would have matched up well with both d1 finalists. Their game is far more refined and balanced by quite a long way. I believe they would have won by a similar margin against the d1 finalists.

3. Defense wins championships. Katy tightened theirs up by the 2nd quarter. Allen, by the 2nd half.

4. Special teams and the kicking game is key. Wylie hurt themselves. So did hightower. On the flipside the 63 yd punt by the allen punter from his own endzone was big. 5a schoos have thousands of kids. I can't understand why so many schools cannot come up with 1 decent kicker/punter.

5. Katy has the best coaching staff in texas by far.

6. The allen fans are the best looking in texas next to college park and the woodlands.
slc moms :)

[twcpfan1]

slc moms :)

too much reconstrucive surgery. the westlake moms are better

[Falcon16]

1. The spread offense is boring and painful to watch the way teams play it these days. Coaches, add a little more balance to your offense so you can make adjustments mid game. Not 1 spread team seems to be able to do that. None of the 3 that played today could run the ball effectively. Although, I will admit, the Allen HT game was pretty absorbing from a competitive standpoint. That was fun.

2. Having said that, Katy would have matched up well with both D1 finalists. Their game is far more refined and balanced by quite a long way. I believe they would have won by a similar margin against the D1 finalists.

3. Defense wins championships. Katy tightened theirs up by the 2nd quarter. Allen, by the 2nd half.

4. Special teams and the kicking game is key. Wylie hurt themselves. So did Hightower. On the flipside the 63 yd punt by the Allen punter from his own endzone was BIG. 5a schoos have thousands of kids. I can't understand why so many schools cannot come up with 1 decent kicker/punter.

5. Katy has the best coaching staff in Texas by far.

6. The Allen fans are the best looking in Texas next to College Park and The Woodlands.

I agree but #6 Allen fans/MOMS were looking HOT :ninja:

[KatyTigers]

1. The spread offense is boring and painful to watch the way teams play it these days. Coaches, add a little more balance to your offense so you can make adjustments mid game. Not 1 spread team seems to be able to do that. None of the 3 that played today could run the ball effectively. Although, I will admit, the Allen HT game was pretty absorbing from a competitive standpoint. That was fun.

2. Having said that, Katy would have matched up well with both D1 finalists. Their game is far more refined and balanced by quite a long way. I believe they would have won by a similar margin against the D1 finalists.

3. Defense wins championships. Katy tightened theirs up by the 2nd quarter. Allen, by the 2nd half.

4. Special teams and the kicking game is key. Wylie hurt themselves. So did Hightower. On the flipside the 63 yd punt by the Allen punter from his own endzone was BIG. 5a schoos have thousands of kids. I can't understand why so many schools cannot come up with 1 decent kicker/punter.

5. Katy has the best coaching staff in Texas by far.

6. The Allen fans are the best looking in Texas next to College Park and The Woodlands.

Katy offense is a pro style offense: As in NFL pro style. There is a reason why teams like the Cowboys, Texans, Steelers, etc. run the pro set. It is much more versatile.

[twcpfan1]

Katy offense is a pro style offense: As in NFL pro style. There is a reason why teams like the Cowboys, Texans, Steelers, etc. run the pro set. It is much more versatile.

Yep. That's pretty much why I said they'd beat the other 3 teams today. I love teams that utilize a TE and a FB

[Falcon16]

Katy offense is a pro style offense: As in NFL pro style. There is a reason why teams like the Cowboys, Texans, Steelers, etc. run the pro set. It is much more versatile.

I think the Texans took pointers from the Tigers this year once the playoffs started LOL :ninja:

[twcpfan1]

I agree but #6 Allen fans/MOMS were looking HOT :ninja:

Yep. That's why I specifically mentioned their fans. Saw quite a few of them at the 24 hr drive thru McD's at The Woodlands on the way back from the game.

[Falcon16]

Yep. That's why I specifically mentioned their fans. Saw quite a few of them at the 24 hr drive thru McD's at The Woodlands on the way back from the game.

you should have seen them walking around WOW :ninja:

[twcpfan1]

Here's an example why Katy's coaching staff is so good. They know they are somewhat vulnerable to the kickoff return. So what do they do? Kick it short every time so Wylie's only choice is to fair catch it on the 35. The Katy D will take that starting field position any day. Like I said. Adjustments to what the opponents are doing. Katy coaches are very good at it.

[Underwood7476]

showed up at halftime of Katy/Wylie game..that was pretty good..was going into it without a bias but these ANNOYING katy fans sitting right behind us just kept slamming their cowboy boots on the backs of the chairs..so I started cheering for Wylie..the Wylie qb was pretty good..but at times he just seemed lost out there..did anybody else notice this?

as for second game..didn't care who won this game was leaning more toward Hightower as I'm from Kingwood and I remember playing AJ Highsmith when he was a sophomore..talked to Alonzo Highsmith and wished his son luck..that was cool talking to him a few minutes..as for the Allen girls..oh..my..god..talked to a few in line at subway..ooadhfidsh...gorgeous...but other than that..coaching was the reason hightower lost IMO..made a few bad decisions here or there but there is always a reason for going for it on 4th and short..size of the Allen band was...huge..and I mean HUGE..as for the rest of the game..was really fun..some good talent out there..some huge plays..Allen really had trouble getting the running game going

[chunky79]

katy took whitlock and monk out of the picture...both disappointed me today

[rwilleby]

...but these ANNOYING katy fans sitting right behind us just kept slamming their cowboy boots on the backs of the chairs..so I started cheering for Wylie...

Ha! You're lucky you got out of there alive... Next time just do all of us a favor and sit somewhere else... Like, at home... You just take up our air and make zero contribution...

[BIG RED]

katy took whitlock and monk out of the picture...both disappointed me today

All we heard all week was Whitlock this and Whitlock that. Whitlock- Schmitlock. No match for the Katy o-line and the pro set. I focused on #8 all day. He talked trash and cried to the refs all day. He was taken out of his game and it must have been hard for him to see us running past him while he was tangled up.

It will take much more than a nose tackle!

[twcpfan1]

All we heard all week was Whitlock this and Whitlock that. Whitlock- Schmitlock. No match for the Katy o-line and the pro set. I focused on #8 all day. He talked trash and cried to the refs all day. He was taken out of his game and it must have been hard for him to see us running past him while he was tangled up.

It will take much more than a nose tackle!

Wylie's defense played great to only give up 17 pts. They were on the field an awful long time, and you can credit Katy's defense for totally dominating Wylie's offense. That will eventually wear any defense out. And the kid Whitlock is as good as advertised. Make no mistake about that.

[BIG RED]

Wylie's defense played great to only give up 17 pts. They were on the field an awful long time, and you can credit Katy's defense for totally dominating Wylie's offense. That will eventually wear any defense out. And the kid Whitlock is as good as advertised. Make no mistake about that.

I had predicted two TD's by the Katy D. It very easily could have been 31.

I do not see #8 as a standout in this game. 3 or 4 Tigers had better days on D that #8.

[KatyTigers]

Wylie's defense played great to only give up 17 pts. They were on the field an awful long time, and you can credit Katy's defense for totally dominating Wylie's offense. That will eventually wear any defense out. And the kid Whitlock is as good as advertised. Make no mistake about that.


I liked Whitlock's motor. He came to play as did the whole Wylie defense. I was very impressed with that group. In the end their aggression was exploited with counters, draws, delayed handoffs.

The Tiger touchdown where Webber ran right at the heart of the Wylie defense was a thing of beauty. Having the ball rammed down their throat took a lot of air out of the Pirate defense.

[twcpfan1]

I had predicted two TD's by the Katy D. It very easily could have been 31.

I do not see #8 as a standout in this game. 3 or 4 Tigers had better days on D that #8.

Yes the Katy D played lights out and totally dominated Wylie. And the Katy O did well with those counterplays. Right out of Round Rock's book when they exploited Lufkin's aggresiveness. Katy did the same to Wylie. Thing of beauty actually. Wylie had problems all day with Katy's play action. Very impressed with the FB Roberson and of course Parker Ray had a great game.

[PCW Cats]

Katy shouldn't talk bad about Whitlock. He was double teamed on every play. I also observed Katy's line holding a bunch and it wasn't being called. I saw them play a week ago against Smithson Valley and the refs were calling those penalties. As a fomer resident of Plano I did like the final outcome of Katy winning so Congratulations.

[Kboda]

Credit where credit is due. Whitlock is a beast. The Wylie D worked their butts off. Katy's O Line just wore them down.

As for penalties, there were plenty to go around for both teams that didn't get called. PLENTY. I could see them and I was sitting behind the tubas!

[PCW Cats]

Some other observations.

1. I think we all know why Jared Monk is being recruited as an athlete. I know Katy's defense is good, but can you at least throw a spiral. His passes were wounded ducks.
2. Katy and Allen Coaching staffs show how important good Coaching is this time of year. Tell the Coach at Hightower to kick the field goal when you are winning by 7 and in control of the game. 10-0 would have changed things. If the pros do it so should you.
3. Not sure how Katy can run the wrap around draw in every game and it works every time. Did the Wylie Coaches not see that on film and have someone assigned to watch it? Amazing.
4. I was very impressed with the size of the crowds from Allen and Hightower and disappointed with Katy. I know Katy had a good number of fans, but I expected more. If we could have taken a count I would have gauranteed more from Hightower.
5. Katy posters better not talk any noise about Nikita Whitlock from Wylie not making many plays. They were double teaming him on every play and he still made 8 tackles.
6. How about it for the field. It held up and was not an issue. I still think it wasn't a good idea by the Texans not to put field turf down.
7. If the Texans would have been smart and put field turf down then us H-town residents could have enjoyed many more playoffs games at Reliant. As a former Plano resident I miss the days of watching multiple playoff games at one site and Reliant is a really cool stadium.

[twcpfan1]

Some other observations.

1. I think we all know why Jared Monk is being recruited as an athlete. I know Katy's defense is good, but can you at least throw a spiral. His passes were wounded ducks.
2. Katy and Allen Coaching staffs show how important good Coaching is this time of year. Tell the Coach at Hightower to kick the field goal when you are winning by 7 and in control of the game. 10-0 would have changed things. If the pros do it so should you.
3. Not sure how Katy can run the wrap around draw in every game and it works every time. Did the Wylie Coaches not see that on film and have someone assigned to watch it? Amazing.
4. I was very impressed with the size of the crowds from Allen and Hightower and disappointed with Katy. I know Katy had a good number of fans, but I expected more. If we could have taken a count I would have gauranteed more from Hightower.
5. Katy posters better not talk any noise about Nikita Whitlock from Wylie not making many plays. They were double teaming him on every play and he still made 8 tackles.
6. How about it for the field. It held up and was not an issue. I still think it wasn't a good idea by the Texans not to put field turf down.
7. If the Texans would have been smart and put field turf down then us H-town residents could have enjoyed many more playoffs games at Reliant. As a former Plano resident I miss the days of watching multiple playoff games at one site and Reliant is a really cool stadium.

You're right. The Hightower coach got caught up in the moment. He should have known better. Poor Poor decision.

[v2the4]

Some other observations.

1. I think we all know why Jared Monk is being recruited as an athlete. I know Katy's defense is good, but can you at least throw a spiral. His passes were wounded ducks.
2. Katy and Allen Coaching staffs show how important good Coaching is this time of year. Tell the Coach at Hightower to kick the field goal when you are winning by 7 and in control of the game. 10-0 would have changed things. If the pros do it so should you.
3. Not sure how Katy can run the wrap around draw in every game and it works every time. Did the Wylie Coaches not see that on film and have someone assigned to watch it? Amazing.
4. I was very impressed with the size of the crowds from Allen and Hightower and disappointed with Katy. I know Katy had a good number of fans, but I expected more. If we could have taken a count I would have gauranteed more from Hightower.
5. Katy posters better not talk any noise about Nikita Whitlock from Wylie not making many plays. They were double teaming him on every play and he still made 8 tackles.
6. How about it for the field. It held up and was not an issue. I still think it wasn't a good idea by the Texans not to put field turf down.
7. If the Texans would have been smart and put field turf down then us H-town residents could have enjoyed many more playoffs games at Reliant. As a former Plano resident I miss the days of watching multiple playoff games at one site and Reliant is a really cool stadium.

I was not at the Katy game...I only saw it on tv, but it was really painful to see Monk throw the ball...he threw the ball into coverage...he was erractic and I hate that he ended his career like that....

Hightower blew so many changes to put the game away in the first half....maybe not put it away, but when you are on the one yard line, youve got to put points on the scoreboard....I wasnt against the fade pattern to Johnson, but they should have ran that play on third down, and if it didnt work, then kick the fg on 4th.....its all about points and field position in the playoffs.......the rookie coaching showed up at the wrong time.


The field did hold up.....only a few choppy spots, but, if the Texans are smart, they will go ahead and put field turf or sport grass in their and be done with the experiment with natural gas...

Hightower and Allen brought a bunch of fans.....I think it was more than the 26k they said, but they were both loud and equally excited for their first state title game.

Nikita Whitlock wasnt the 5A player of the year for nothing, but Hightower LB#11 Shaun Lewis made 16 tackles and put some punishing hits on Allens QB last night....

all in all, it was a great day of football over at Reliant...Congrats to Katy for going back to back, and congrats to Allen for winning their first title.

congrats to Wylie for making the finals as a third place team, and congrats to Hightower for your great season which ended at 13-1, but it was an exciting run!

[smw358]

Against the spread offense, Katy attacked the "head!" Just goes to show ya how vulnerable the spread is. Their qb ran around like chicken with his head cut off. Way to go Katy! ;)

[Underwood7476]

Ha! You're lucky you got out of there alive... Next time just do all of us a favor and sit somewhere else... Like, at home... You just take up our air and make zero contribution...

yeah..ok..considering I wasn't sitting on Katy's side I was on the Wylie side and they came and sat behind us..zero contribution to a bunch of arrogant punks..I'm fine with that

[Agdadx5]

Hey PCW Cats- I agree that Whitlock is a game changer and I like his effort but think about it, he was neutralized yesterday for the most part by the o-line and blocking scheme. Up there in the northern part of the state they have a hard time doubling one guy because of the splits that they use. He made some plays but was not that disruptive of the offense. What I hated to see was all the extra stuff that was happening on both sides.

[dada]

showed up at halftime of Katy/Wylie game..that was pretty good..was going into it without a bias but these ANNOYING katy fans sitting right behind us just kept slamming their cowboy boots on the backs of the chairs..so I started cheering for Wylie..the Wylie qb was pretty good..but at times he just seemed lost out there..did anybody else notice this?

as for second game..didn't care who won this game was leaning more toward Hightower as I'm from Kingwood and I remember playing AJ Highsmith when he was a sophomore..talked to Alonzo Highsmith and wished his son luck..that was cool talking to him a few minutes..as for the Allen girls..oh..my..god..talked to a few in line at subway..ooadhfidsh...gorgeous...but other than that..coaching was the reason hightower lost IMO..made a few bad decisions here or there but there is always a reason for going for it on 4th and short..size of the Allen band was...huge..and I mean HUGE..as for the rest of the game..was really fun..some good talent out there..some huge plays..Allen really had trouble getting the running game going

If you showed up at halftime...you may have been sitting on the Katy SIDE.....but not with the Katy fans....just ask the ones who were 10 minutes late.

[BlakeJ]

If you showed up at halftime...you may have been sitting on the Katy SIDE.....but not with the Katy fans....just ask the ones who were 10 minutes late.

Heck I was 20 minutes early and barely got seats with the Katy fans. Place was packed...solid red from mid endzone to the next...both tiers. Any news on the attendance count??

[The King]

1. The spread offense is boring and painful to watch the way teams play it these days. Coaches, add a little more balance to your offense so you can make adjustments mid game. Not 1 spread team seems to be able to do that. None of the 3 that played today could run the ball effectively. Although, I will admit, the Allen HT game was pretty absorbing from a competitive standpoint. That was fun.

2. Having said that, Katy would have matched up well with both D1 finalists. Their game is far more refined and balanced by quite a long way. I believe they would have won by a similar margin against the D1 finalists.

3. Defense wins championships. Katy tightened theirs up by the 2nd quarter. Allen, by the 2nd half.

4. Special teams and the kicking game is key. Wylie hurt themselves. So did Hightower. On the flipside the 63 yd punt by the Allen punter from his own endzone was BIG. 5a schoos have thousands of kids. I can't understand why so many schools cannot come up with 1 decent kicker/punter.

5. Katy has the best coaching staff in Texas by far.

6. The Allen fans are the best looking in Texas next to College Park and The Woodlands.


I agree I watched the game with a few guys I played ball with at Katy and the defense was solid.

I noticed Katy's defense might be something special in the Northshore game when the offense turned the ball over 5 times and the defense only allowed 10 points.

Katy improved a lot from those 1st 2 games of the season and that makes this title a little more special in some ways, really I think this was the rebuilding year for Katy.

The spread offence puts a lot of points on the board but it is bland. Many people will see a 17 to 3 score and think it is boring, but that game was not.

Especially if you like a good defensive battle. I wouls say Katy played perfect bend but don't break defense yesterday.

[tailgater]

My thoughts for what they are worth.

1. Can someone tell me why Wylie was at this game? They did not show me anything that would tell me they belonged. Sorry Wylie Fans - that's the way I saw it. And it wasn't the Katy defense that did you in. They are good but not that good. Your QB play was atrocious. He couldn't hit the open man on the slants they threw. I saw two thrown begind the receiver that if throw right each would have gone for TD's. Your QB was as big as a tight end. He hit one long pass on a desperation that was more luck than skill.

2. Katy is what we thought they were. Well coached. Diciplined. Don't make mistakes. Plays straight up football. Congrats to that program. They may not be the most exciting team to watch - but they win when it counts.

3. Hightower came into Reliant struting their stuff and sure they were going to win the game. Which is what every team at this level should do. But the 3rd qt. melt down started with the interception and that was the most significant change of momentum I have ever seen in HS football. Hightower just lost it and didn't look the same again after that. Highsmith got rattled and it showed.

4. Allen - they kept their cool and once given the chance (the interception that will live in Allen FB history) just took the game over. Also, I have to agree with other posters who were there and have commented on this: Allen has the best looking female fan base I have ever seen. Also, it is mandatory for each Allen home have a member of it's family in the band. Man, that was the largest HS band I have seen.

That's all for now.

[The King]

Against the spread offense, Katy attacked the "head!" Just goes to show ya how vulnerable the spread is. Their qb ran around like chicken with his head cut off. Way to go Katy! ;)

I wouldn't want to run any offense against a Joseph coached defense.

[dragonsdaddy]

too much reconstrucive surgery. the westlake moms are better
last time i looked, the plastics guys in austin were still driving bentley's too.

[twcpfan1]

last time i looked, the plastics guys in austin were still driving bentley's too.

well i was referring to the boob jobs rather than the penile enlargements. those, i care nothing about :D

[dragonsdaddy]

well i was referring to the boob jobs rather than the penile enlargements. those, i care nothing about :D

as was i.

[twcpfan1]

as was i.

ok i get it now. the plastic surgeons have nice cars in austin too. right :D my bad

[smw358]

My thoughts for what they are worth.

1. Can someone tell me why Wylie was at this game? They did not show me anything that would tell me they belonged. Sorry Wylie Fans - that's the way I saw it. And it wasn't the Katy defense that did you in. They are good but not that good. Your QB play was atrocious. He couldn't hit the open man on the slants they threw. I saw two thrown begind the receiver that if throw right each would have gone for TD's. Your QB was as big as a tight end. He hit one long pass on a desperation that was more luck than skill.

2. Katy is what we thought they were. Well coached. Diciplined. Don't make mistakes. Plays straight up football. Congrats to that program. They may not be the most exciting team to watch - but they win when it counts.

3. Hightower came into Reliant struting their stuff and sure they were going to win the game. Which is what every team at this level should do. But the 3rd qt. melt down started with the interception and that was the most significant change of momentum I have ever seen in HS football. Hightower just lost it and didn't look the same again after that. Highsmith got rattled and it showed.

4. Allen - they kept their cool and once given the chance (the interception that will live in Allen FB history) just took the game over. Also, I have to agree with other posters who were there and have commented on this: Allen has the best looking female fan base I have ever seen. Also, it is mandatory for each Allen home have a member of it's family in the band. Man, that was the largest HS band I have seen.

That's all for now.

I think Wylie's qb play started with the first hard hit from behind by #37. He got popped pretty good. I would imagine he heard "gremlins" coming all afteroon after that hit. Wylie was a very good team that had their number called by the coaching, playcalling and execution of the Katy Tigers. Someone earlier asked how they fell for the wrap around draw. Katy's OC set that up with constant roll outs getting their defense comitted to follow Ray. Katy just changed directions and caught them sleeping. Wylie has had better games but against Katy it just was not their day.

[NorthTexUmp]

My thoughts for what they are worth.

1. Can someone tell me why Wylie was at this game? They did not show me anything that would tell me they belonged. Sorry Wylie Fans - that's the way I saw it. And it wasn't the Katy defense that did you in. They are good but not that good. Your QB play was atrocious. He couldn't hit the open man on the slants they threw. I saw two thrown begind the receiver that if throw right each would have gone for TD's. Your QB was as big as a tight end. He hit one long pass on a desperation that was more luck than skill.
...

Wylie was there because of their D and the QB Monk. the difference yesterday was he faced constant pressure and he just didnt handle it well - he had an off game. but he is a very good HS QB.

[ASH1157]

You're right. The Hightower coach got caught up in the moment. He should have known better. Poor Poor decision.

The kicker didn't seem to be having his best game, though. Missed the two field goals and seemingly erred on pop-up kickoff after Hightower's last score. He was supposed to float it over the first row of Allen's return team, but instead pop it up right in sight of #9. Phew!!

[clc]

I just watched the game on the dvr...wanted to catch the things that we missed while actually at the game.

I am disappointed at how the Hightower coach handled his "end of the first half" interview. He fronted out his kicker and let his arse show on national television. He should have given a generic response about what he was saying to his kicker. There was no reason for that crap.

He needs to take some serious lessons in public relations.

[ASH1157]

I just watched the game on the dvr...wanted to catch the things that we missed while actually at the game.

I am disappointed at how the Hightower coach handled his "end of the first half" interview. He fronted out his kicker and let his arse show on national television. He should have given a generic response about what he was saying to his kicker. There was no reason for that crap.

He needs to take some serious lessons in public relations.

TOTALLY agree with you! He totally threw that guy under the bus for throwing the placeholder under the bus. It was very surreal.

[STPFootball2011]

1. The spread offense is boring and painful to watch the way teams play it these days. Coaches, add a little more balance to your offense so you can make adjustments mid game. Not 1 spread team seems to be able to do that. None of the 3 that played today could run the ball effectively. Although, I will admit, the Allen HT game was pretty absorbing from a competitive standpoint. That was fun.

2. Having said that, Katy would have matched up well with both D1 finalists. Their game is far more refined and balanced by quite a long way. I believe they would have won by a similar margin against the D1 finalists.

3. Defense wins championships. Katy tightened theirs up by the 2nd quarter. Allen, by the 2nd half.

4. Special teams and the kicking game is key. Wylie hurt themselves. So did Hightower. On the flipside the 63 yd punt by the Allen punter from his own endzone was BIG. 5a schoos have thousands of kids. I can't understand why so many schools cannot come up with 1 decent kicker/punter.

5. Katy has the best coaching staff in Texas by far.

6. The Allen fans are the best looking in Texas next to College Park and The Woodlands.
i had the pleasure of seeing both the woodlands and allens "supporting cast" and i almost thought about moving to dallas or houston after that;)

[eaglefan2000]

4. Allen - they kept their cool and once given the chance (the interception that will live in Allen FB history) just took the game over. Also, I have to agree with other posters who were there and have commented on this: Allen has the best looking female fan base I have ever seen. Also, it is mandatory for each Allen home have a member of it's family in the band. Man, that was the largest HS band I have seen.

Props to FBHT. Their QB tore us up on 3rd and long every time. Great job on the line all the way through. Allen managed to edge out FBHT in passing yards, but FBHT won pretty much every other stat except of course the only one that matters - the score.

Before the game I predicted Allen in a close one just because this team this year manages to get it done in the face of any adversity.

I can't find the exact post, but someone in another thread asked about the band - how many kids. There are over 600 kids in the Escadrille (band plus color guard plus drill team) 530+ in the marching corp (band plus color guard) so about 500 kids with instruments. (How does March Grandioso sound from the other side of the field?)

It is the biggest marching band on the face of the planet (no kidding).

I also read all week about how Reliant would be like home field for FBHT since it would be so far for Allen to travel. About 30-40% of the FBHT cheering section was wearing red. That was obvious. So with FBHT fans PLUS the Katy faithful rooting for greater Houston, there were enough fans to about equal the sea of blue on the Allen side.

That's the thing about Allen - we travel with the team. Anytime, anywhere, if the team is playing we will all come to watch.

At the end of the day, though, it is the same 100 yard field and 4 downs to get 10 yards. The guys on the field decide the game.

Great game at the end of a great season. Congrats to FBHT on a terrific run.

But, at the end of the day, it was Hurricane Allen that prevailed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Allen

[PirateParent2011]

Wylie's defense played great to only give up 17 pts. They were on the field an awful long time, and you can credit Katy's defense for totally dominating Wylie's offense. That will eventually wear any defense out. And the kid Whitlock is as good as advertised. Make no mistake about that.

This.

[tjw]

Props to FBHT. Their QB tore us up on 3rd and long every time. Great job on the line all the way through. Allen managed to edge out FBHT in passing yards, but FBHT won pretty much every other stat except of course the only one that matters - the score.

Before the game I predicted Allen in a close one just because this team this year manages to get it done in the face of any adversity.

I can't find the exact post, but someone in another thread asked about the band - how many kids. There are over 600 kids in the Escadrille (band plus color guard plus drill team) 530+ in the marching corp (band plus color guard) so about 500 kids with instruments. (How does March Grandioso sound from the other side of the field?)

It is the biggest marching band on the face of the planet (no kidding).

I also read all week about how Reliant would be like home field for FBHT since it would be so far for Allen to travel. About 30-40% of the FBHT cheering section was wearing red. That was obvious. So with FBHT fans PLUS the Katy faithful rooting for greater Houston, there were enough fans to about equal the sea of blue on the Allen side.

That's the thing about Allen - we travel with the team. Anytime, anywhere, if the team is playing we will all come to watch.

At the end of the day, though, it is the same 100 yard field and 4 downs to get 10 yards. The guys on the field decide the game.

Great game at the end of a great season. Congrats to FBHT on a terrific run.

But, at the end of the day, it was Hurricane Allen that prevailed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Allen

Well stated :notworthy

[smw358]

I just watched the game on the dvr...wanted to catch the things that we missed while actually at the game.

I am disappointed at how the Hightower coach handled his "end of the first half" interview. He fronted out his kicker and let his arse show on national television. He should have given a generic response about what he was saying to his kicker. There was no reason for that crap.

He needs to take some serious lessons in public relations.

I think the kicker made an arse out himself when I watched the game on tv when I got home....I too was pretty upset at the coach for that reprimand, but after watching the player calling out his holder....I think he deserved the butt chewin. Not a very "team" thing to do by the kicker.

[PirateParent2011]

My thoughts for what they are worth.

1. Can someone tell me why Wylie was at this game? They did not show me anything that would tell me they belonged. Sorry Wylie Fans - that's the way I saw it. And it wasn't the Katy defense that did you in. They are good but not that good. Your QB play was atrocious. He couldn't hit the open man on the slants they threw. I saw two thrown begind the receiver that if throw right each would have gone for TD's. Your QB was as big as a tight end. He hit one long pass on a desperation that was more luck than skill.

2. Katy is what we thought they were. Well coached. Diciplined. Don't make mistakes. Plays straight up football. Congrats to that program. They may not be the most exciting team to watch - but they win when it counts.

3. Hightower came into Reliant struting their stuff and sure they were going to win the game. Which is what every team at this level should do. But the 3rd qt. melt down started with the interception and that was the most significant change of momentum I have ever seen in HS football. Hightower just lost it and didn't look the same again after that. Highsmith got rattled and it showed.

4. Allen - they kept their cool and once given the chance (the interception that will live in Allen FB history) just took the game over. Also, I have to agree with other posters who were there and have commented on this: Allen has the best looking female fan base I have ever seen. Also, it is mandatory for each Allen home have a member of it's family in the band. Man, that was the largest HS band I have seen.

That's all for now.

Because Wylie earned and deserved the right to be there. Wylie has had a great season. Remember, until Saturday, they had only lost by a combined 10 points to Plano (by 7) & Allen (the D1 state champions by 3). Add in the Katy game and that is a combined loss of 24 in 3 games. So by your definition Katy should not have been in the championship game because they lost by a combined 57 points in 3 games. :rolleyes:

Wylie had a very good team this year. But they were beat by a much better team on Saturday. Period.

[STPFootball2011]

totally agree with you! He totally threw that guy under the bus for throwing the placeholder under the bus. It was very surreal.
+1

[STPFootball2011]

Props to FBHT. Their QB tore us up on 3rd and long every time. Great job on the line all the way through. Allen managed to edge out FBHT in passing yards, but FBHT won pretty much every other stat except of course the only one that matters - the score.

Before the game I predicted Allen in a close one just because this team this year manages to get it done in the face of any adversity.

I can't find the exact post, but someone in another thread asked about the band - how many kids. There are over 600 kids in the Escadrille (band plus color guard plus drill team) 530+ in the marching corp (band plus color guard) so about 500 kids with instruments. (How does March Grandioso sound from the other side of the field?)

It is the biggest marching band on the face of the planet (no kidding).

I also read all week about how Reliant would be like home field for FBHT since it would be so far for Allen to travel. About 30-40% of the FBHT cheering section was wearing red. That was obvious. So with FBHT fans PLUS the Katy faithful rooting for greater Houston, there were enough fans to about equal the sea of blue on the Allen side.

That's the thing about Allen - we travel with the team. Anytime, anywhere, if the team is playing we will all come to watch.

At the end of the day, though, it is the same 100 yard field and 4 downs to get 10 yards. The guys on the field decide the game.

Great game at the end of a great season. Congrats to FBHT on a terrific run.

But, at the end of the day, it was Hurricane Allen that prevailed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Allen
that's just what Allen does. Stony POint outgained then by about 150 total yards and seemed to be able to move the ball better, but Allen just somehow finds a way to have more points on the scoreboard at the end of game.

[Favpack]

Katy simply wants it more than anyone else - period. They had some playmakers, but nothing spectacular.

Of course, a special team will deny Katy, ala SLC in 2005, but SLC in 2005 only comes along about every 4 years, and even then (Lufkin 2006 - Allen 2007) they can get upset early.

Katy rarely gets upset in the PO's - they may get beat, but it's simply because the other team is better.

[Maxthedog]

too much reconstrucive surgery. The westlake moms are better

not!!!!!!!! :)

[bobcat83]

Congrats to Katy-the best overall team in the state IMO.
I expected more out of the Wylie offense with the size of their o-line The punches thrown by the LB-just don't understand that.Doubt if it was the first time either.Those things just don't pop up.The offensive lineman who threw down the Katy DE the speared him in the head should have be tossed also. Refs did a great job.Whitlock is a one helluva football player.
Allen's QB-very accurate and efficient.
Allen/Katy would be a great game.

[dragonsdaddy]

Congrats to Katy-the best overall team in the state IMO.
I expected more out of the Wylie offense with the size of their o-line The punches thrown by the LB-just don't understand that.Doubt if it was the first time either.Those things just don't pop up.The offensive lineman who threw down the Katy DE the speared him in the head should have be tossed also. Refs did a great job.Whitlock is a one helluva football player.
Allen's QB-very accurate and efficient.
Allen/Katy would be a great game.
this intensive and exhaustive research of 1 whole half of football led you to this inerrable conclusion. nice.

[bobcat83]

this intensive and exhaustive research of 1 whole half of football led you to this inerrable conclusion. nice.

Nice-that's right Sir.I have most likely watched as much football as you and most likely played as much also. That behavior is not usually a one time thing. Maybe one time getting caught.It's a discipline and character issue with the person who did it-period. You want to use emotion of the game to explain and or excuse that? Be real.

[MWKT]

The Allen fans are the best looking in Texas next to College Park and The Woodlands.

WHAT? :mad: I'm partial to RED. Oh well, if we aren't the prettiest fans or play the cutest game, we'll just take our hardware back to Katy and sulk...;)

[twcpfan1]

i had the pleasure of seeing both the woodlands and allens "supporting cast" and i almost thought about moving to dallas or houston after that;)

There's a football team in Westlake Hills whose supporters might have similar characteristics. Only 20 mins from where you are.

[ktCarl]

well i was referring to the boob jobs rather than the penile enlargements. those, i care nothing about :D

I didn't realize that the 5A Forum had a milf patrol. :eek: :confused:

[twcpfan1]

I didn't realize that the 5A Forum had a milf patrol. :eek: :confused:

Not really. Silicone is just the first thing that comes to mind when somebody decides to bring SLC moms into the discussion :D

[PirateParent2011]

Not really. Silicone is just the first thing that comes to mind when somebody decides to bring SLC moms into the discussion :D

Were is SLCisbetterthanyou when ya need him? I'm sure he can comment on the "Hawtness" of the SLC Moms!

[tjw]

I didn't realize that the 5A Forum had a milf patrol. :eek: :confused:

Well we know who is applying for that position...btw has been right on for the most part. :D

[gottalovefridaynites]

Well you apparantly did not watch this game to much. Katy #88 should have been tossed in the 1st qtr. He played a dirty game from start to finish. I happen to know the LB that got tossed quite well and i can definetely tell you that that is not his character. No one except the players know what is said and done in the middle of the pack. I'm not condoning what happened. I just know that this is just not the way he plays the game. He's a great kid. I know he's upset that his emotions got the best of him and this will be one of those life lessons he will have to learn from. This group of wylie players have worked their butts off to get this far.

Nice-that's right Sir.I have most likely watched as much football as you and most likely played as much also. That behavior is not usually a one time thing. Maybe one time getting caught.It's a discipline and character issue with the person who did it-period. You want to use emotion of the game to explain and or excuse that? Be real.

[bobcat83]

Well you apparantly did not watch this game to much. Katy #88 should have been tossed in the 1st qtr. He played a dirty game from start to finish. I happen to know the LB that got tossed quite well and i can definetely tell you that that is not his character. No one except the players know what is said and done in the middle of the pack. I'm not condoning what happened. I just know that this is just not the way he plays the game. He's a great kid. I know he's upset that his emotions got the best of him and this will be one of those life lessons he will have to learn from. This group of wylie players have worked their butts off to get this far.

I will watch it again but... I do understand agressive and "scrappy". I understand an extra little shove after a tackle just to let them know it was "you" who tackled them. I understand trash talk to an extent as long as it's not taunting. What I do not understand was that particular action against someone at the bottom of the pile who could see them or defend themselves.What in creation was that going to accomplish? The TV replay didn't show the Katy ejection as it was away from the play.I have seen it from several so called great kids in the playoffs.I don't buy the "they are high school kids" thing. Did 88 throw punches? Was he too agressive-I will check it out.

[Redhoss]

Some other observations.

1. I think we all know why Jared Monk is being recruited as an athlete. I know Katy's defense is good, but can you at least throw a spiral. His passes were wounded ducks.
2. Katy and Allen Coaching staffs show how important good Coaching is this time of year. Tell the Coach at Hightower to kick the field goal when you are winning by 7 and in control of the game. 10-0 would have changed things. If the pros do it so should you.
3. Not sure how Katy can run the wrap around draw in every game and it works every time. Did the Wylie Coaches not see that on film and have someone assigned to watch it? Amazing.
4. I was very impressed with the size of the crowds from Allen and Hightower and disappointed with Katy. I know Katy had a good number of fans, but I expected more. If we could have taken a count I would have gauranteed more from Hightower.
5. Katy posters better not talk any noise about Nikita Whitlock from Wylie not making many plays. They were double teaming him on every play and he still made 8 tackles.
6. How about it for the field. It held up and was not an issue. I still think it wasn't a good idea by the Texans not to put field turf down.
7. If the Texans would have been smart and put field turf down then us H-town residents could have enjoyed many more playoffs games at Reliant. As a former Plano resident I miss the days of watching multiple playoff games at one site and Reliant is a really cool stadium.


Whitlock is very good. After watching the game on film, it was much more obvious how much impact he did make. He was also handled a lot of the time.
I agree with you on Hightower's bad calls. Early in a game, you always take the points. I thought the play calls were wrong on 3rd and goal and they should have had a field. I think there was another time in the first where a field goal was possible. It would have changed the game but I'm not sure of the outcome. It may have.
Katy had fans from endzone corner to endzone corner. That's a big crowd. :eek:

[thenxtgr8thang]

1. The spread offense is boring and painful to watch the way teams play it these days. Coaches, add a little more balance to your offense so you can make adjustments mid game. Not 1 spread team seems to be able to do that. None of the 3 that played today could run the ball effectively. Although, I will admit, the Allen HT game was pretty absorbing from a competitive standpoint. That was fun.

2. Having said that, Katy would have matched up well with both D1 finalists. Their game is far more refined and balanced by quite a long way. I believe they would have won by a similar margin against the D1 finalists.

3. Defense wins championships. Katy tightened theirs up by the 2nd quarter. Allen, by the 2nd half.

4. Special teams and the kicking game is key. Wylie hurt themselves. So did Hightower. On the flipside the 63 yd punt by the Allen punter from his own endzone was BIG. 5a schoos have thousands of kids. I can't understand why so many schools cannot come up with 1 decent kicker/punter.

5. Katy has the best coaching staff in Texas by far.

6. The Allen fans are the best looking in Texas next to College Park and The Woodlands.

Allen didnt have their best rb in the game because he was hurt....Katy has no passing game...Allen and Hightowers D would of shut the run down very fast...D2 game wasnt even close to as good as D1

[Favpack]

Nikita Whitlock is the real deal -very impressed with him - hardest working DL I saw all year long!

[Redhoss]

Allen didnt have their best rb in the game because he was hurt....Katy has no passing game...Allen and Hightowers D would of shut the run down very fast...D2 game wasnt even close to as good as D1

Katy passes enough to win. Allen's D couldn't keep Wylie from putting up 28 points. Hightower was losing to Katy Cinco until Cinco blew it and Hightower scored 2 TD's on D, not offense.
Better brush up a bit. :rolleyes:

[PirateParent2011]

Whitlock is very good. After watching the game on film, it was much more obvious how much impact he did make. He was also handled a lot of the time.
I agree with you on Hightower's bad calls. Early in a game, you always take the points. I thought the play calls were wrong on 3rd and goal and they should have had a field. I think there was another time in the first where a field goal was possible. It would have changed the game but I'm not sure of the outcome. It may have.
Katy had fans from endzone corner to endzone corner. That's a big crowd. :eek:

I read somewhere today that the DII game had just under 19K in attendence. Sure seemed like a lot more to me.

Hey, from our side the "Sea-O-Red" was awesome! How did the Wylie side look? Just curious.

[bobcat83]

Allen didnt have their best rb in the game because he was hurt....Katy has no passing game...Allen and Hightowers D would of shut the run down very fast...D2 game wasnt even close to as good as D1

Katy has enough passing game to keep teams honest.If you load the box Brandt would burn you. At 6' 5" he was definately a match up problem.
Allen's beat all the top teams they faced. But there is something said for experience on the big stage. I think a Katy/Allen match up would be good.But I wouldn't bet against Katy. Afterall the game is still played on the field not on stats from who you beat and when.To bad they don't have them meet.

[trojanbacker]

My unbiased and incredibly knowledgable opinion on both games, based on watching approximately two minutes of the Katy game and one offensive series of the Allen game:

Texas high school football is incredible and any kid who is blessed enough to make it to the finals will remember it the rest of their lives.

The end.

[twcpfan1]

I read somewhere today that the DII game had just under 19K in attendence. Sure seemed like a lot more to me.

Hey, from our side the "Sea-O-Red" was awesome! How did the Wylie side look? Just curious.

19k sounds about right. The Allen Hightower game seemed to have more people. Maybe about 23k.

[cyfallsbooster2]

I have been out of touch (watch it DB86) for the past few days, sitting in deer stands. I only got to see the first half of Katy/Wylie and 2nd quarter on of Hightower/Allen. So my thoughts will hqave to be taken in that context.

First, congratulations to Katy and Allen, 2008 Texas 5A State Champions.

Second, congratulations to Hightower and Wylie for having what it takes and doing what it takes to put yourselves in position for a chance at the title.

Boosters thoughts:

1) There is no compelling evidence from these two games that 1>3 or 3>1. But there is that 1 & 3>2&4.:D

2) Katy program is just damn good and they have the talent to go with it.

3) Stupid PF's on both sides for Katy and Wylie. While surprised at the extent to which Wylie's were, I was more astonished at the lack of discipline on Katy's part. I was glad to see the refs step in and take control of the game when they saw things escalating out of control.

4) Complexion of the Katy/Wylie game changed once the Wylie LB was tossed. With the double teaming of Whitlock, it freed the LB up and he was headed for a career day. Would Katy have been as successful if he had kept his composure and remained in the game?

5) I was told Wylie could not do anything offensively during the 2nd half, that Katy had an answer for everything they tried. That was told to me by an OLD Permian Panther. He knows football.

6) Hightower certainly had the talent to beat Allen. 2 or 3 completely blown coverage plays cost them the game giving Allen 2 easy scores.

7) Highsmith would be a much better passing qb if he were to be taught how to throw a football. Elbow up! He will get the schooling at the next level and he may turn out pretty darn good.;)

8) Hightower ops to not try and kick a 3 yard fg and fails, but they attempt a 42 yarder?!!!! Bad coaching in hind sight.

9) Both were great hs football games. Glad I got to see at least parts of them.

Oh, and no deer this weekend. The big ones were hiding from the 83* weather.:rolleyes:

[SeeingRed]

How did the Wylie side look? Just curious.

Looked pretty solid for a 10 hour round trip. I estimate that you matched Pville last year for numbers - lots of rag twirling (is this normal or were you just using the stuff that UIL handed out?) Pretty loud but band was placed way off from the crowd, especially early on.

[STPFootball2011]

There's a football team in Westlake Hills whose supporters might have similar characteristics. Only 20 mins from where you are.
haven't had the luck to play Westlake or be down there much but im sure your right:cool:

[Miss Kitty]

I read somewhere today that the DII game had just under 19K in attendence. Sure seemed like a lot more to me.

Hey, from our side the "Sea-O-Red" was awesome! How did the Wylie side look? Just curious.

Y'all looked great! Sounded good too.

[Coach J]

Katy passes enough to win. Allen's D couldn't keep Wylie from putting up 28 points. Hightower was losing to Katy Cinco until Cinco blew it and Hightower scored 2 TD's on D, not offense.
Better brush up a bit. :rolleyes:


Allen's D was missing some key starters as it was the last regular season game and the playoff seeding wrapped up. Jeremy Reeves, Allen's best corner did not suit up as well as a couple of other startes. And if I remember correctly, 2 of those TD's were very late in the game. Apples and oragnes is you ask me...

[PirateParent2011]

Y'all looked great! Sounded good too.

Ah shucks. :o Thanks!

[PirateParent2011]

Looked pretty solid for a 10 hour round trip. I estimate that you matched Pville last year for numbers - lots of rag twirling (is this normal or were you just using the stuff that UIL handed out?) Pretty loud but band was placed way off from the crowd, especially early on.

I'm pretty sure the towels came from the booster org along with the hand held AHMO signs. All that came along as we advanced in the PO...not regular season spirit items.

We are VERY proud of our band...not as big as Allen's but they have a big sound.

[smw358]

Nikita Whitlock is the real deal -very impressed with him - hardest working DL I saw all year long!


I think Mr. Whitlock loves the game of football. I was impressed with his tenacity. My only thoughts was he was playing out of position. He would have been a better asset as a linebacker. Way too easy for Katy to trap him on the line. LB would have freed him up alot more.

[allendad]

Katy passes enough to win. Allen's D couldn't keep Wylie from putting up 28 points. Hightower was losing to Katy Cinco until Cinco blew it and Hightower scored 2 TD's on D, not offense.
Better brush up a bit. :rolleyes:


And yet, Allen scored 31 on Wylie's "D" . . . . and y'all scored 17.

What does that say . . . . . NOTHING!

That #10 game vs Wylie was a side-show before the playoffs began.

I'd love to see y'all play Hightower. The Tiger wouldn't be growling too much!

Better brush up a bit.:rolleyes:


Boooya!
:D

[teamtopdog]

Allen's D was missing some key starters as it was the last regular season game and the playoff seeding wrapped up. Jeremy Reeves, Allen's best corner did not suit up as well as a couple of other startes. And if I remember correctly, 2 of those TD's were very late in the game. Apples and oragnes is you ask me...
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