Lufkin Usually has More Class

[SLCDad]

Frankly I was surprised by two acts from the Lufkin camp this weekend.

1. At the end of the game with Copperas Cove the Lufkin band and fans played/sang the "Na Na Na . . . Say Hey . . . Good Bye" song. They did it over and over again. No need to rub it in to the losing team. On this board the Lufkin faithful have more class than that.

2. I know Coach Outlaw and the Lufkin fans are thrilled to have the SLC game in East Texas but they accomplished that at the cost of not allowing 10,000+ fans attend the game. That's a shame. I have no problem having the game in East Texas but not at such a small venue. I guess home field advantage comes before the fans.

[AZTiger]

2. I know Coach Outlaw and the Lufkin fans are thrilled to have the SLC game in East Texas but they accomplished that at the cost of not allowing 10,000+ fans attend the game. That's a shame. I have no problem having the game in East Texas but not at such a small venue. I guess home field advantage comes before the fans.

sorry but you're damned right it does. that's why i never got involved in all the whining about katy having to play at strake jesuit's stadium.

[pack98]

IT WAS A FAIR FLIP YOUR COACH AGREED ON IT.

SLC FANS STOP THE *****ING YOUR TEAM IS A GREAT TEAM AND THEY HAVE TO PLAY AT SFA.

THE GAME IS PLAYED ON THE FIELD WITH THE PLAYERS NOT THE FANS.

GET OVER THE SITE AT SFA.

Blame your coach for having yall to travel so far with him flipping for the home and home. Lufkin fans would have not said anything about going to TS we would have got up and went to the game and have fun.

GO PANTHERS

[lonny23]

Frankly I was surprised by two acts from the Lufkin camp this weekend.

1. At the end of the game with Camperas Cove the Lufkin band and fans played/sang the "Na Na Na . . . Say Hey . . . Good Bye" song. They did it over and over again. No need to rub it in to the losing team. On this board the Lufkin faithful have more class than that.

2. I know Coach Outlaw and the Lufkin fans are thrilled to have the SLC game in East Texas but they accomplished that at the cost of not allowing 10,000+ fans attend the game. That's a shame. I have no problem having the game in East Texas but not at such a small venue. I guess home field advantage comes before the fans.
The band also did that a few weeks ago when they barely beat Harker Heights.

I think Lufkin needs to do everything they can to win and that includes playing at a smaller place.

[Favpack]

Frankly I was surprised by two acts from the Lufkin camp this weekend.

1. At the end of the game with Camperas Cove the Lufkin band and fans played/sang the "Na Na Na . . . Say Hey . . . Good Bye" song. They did it over and over again. No need to rub it in to the losing team. On this board the Lufkin faithful have more class than that.

2. I know Coach Outlaw and the Lufkin fans are thrilled to have the SLC game in East Texas but they accomplished that at the cost of not allowing 10,000+ fans attend the game. That's a shame. I have no problem having the game in East Texas but not at such a small venue. I guess home field advantage comes before the fans.

Camperas Cove? Go read the other threads on the site selection Dad - and call Coach Dodge and ask him why a neutral site could not be arrived at. To suggest Coach O would do something to somehow harm the SLC faithful is quite amusing.

[SLCDad]

The band also did that a few weeks ago when they barely beat Harker Heights.

I think Lufkin needs to do everything they can to win and that includes playing at a smaller place.That's unfortunate.

[Big_Maar]

I guess if SLC loses it will be because of Homer Bryce Stadium.......what? SLC is better than that and I hope they stop talking about it because both coaches agreed on this deal. Good Luck to both teams

[AZTiger]

you slc fans need to get yo momma's t!t out your mouth and buck up and play the game wherever it's scheduled. damn.

[pack4life]

I didn't here any problems in 02 when we played at waco isd and it holds less than sfa. sorry for the the drive but east texas is pretty this time of year. Be safe and get here early.

[lufkin_82]

Frankly I was surprised by two acts from the Lufkin camp this weekend.

1. At the end of the game with Camperas Cove the Lufkin band and fans played/sang the "Na Na Na . . . Say Hey . . . Good Bye" song. They did it over and over again. No need to rub it in to the losing team. On this board the Lufkin faithful have more class than that.

2. I know Coach Outlaw and the Lufkin fans are thrilled to have the SLC game in East Texas but they accomplished that at the cost of not allowing 10,000+ fans attend the game. That's a shame. I have no problem having the game in East Texas but not at such a small venue. I guess home field advantage comes before the fans.
then why did yall coach agree to the flip if you dont like this so much?? yalls coaches denyed playing at Kyle Field, and Rose stadium. Too bad man

[DirtyHarry01]

I'm not a SLC fan, but so far, it hasn't mattered where you play them, they still win. I'd say Lufkin needs more that a location and a band to beat the Dragons.

[PACK '97]

"I know Coach Outlaw and the Lufkin fans are thrilled to have the SLC game in East Texas but they accomplished that at the cost of not allowing 10,000+ fans attend the game. That's a shame. I have no problem having the game in East Texas but not at such a small venue. I guess home field advantage comes before the fans."

go ask Dodge why we are playing at SFA...not Outlaw...where else is there a compatable home field other than SFA?...our side will be there (obviously)...dont think they will not let you in the gate...there is plenty of overflow...today at TS, the attendance was 34,700 w/ 2 metroplex teams playing along w/ other games being held at TS later in the day. SFA will be packed, no doubt, but there will be plenty of seats for you if you get there in time...if not, sit on the grass.

I wish there was another venue which could accomodate more fans, but where?...give me a solution instead of a *****ing.

[fang78]

This explains the Lufkin band singing the Na Na song.....

"I guess this shows the age gap here for many of us. Looks like someone did a remake using the Na Na song and changed the words. The kids today probably never heard the original. Wouldn't surprise me. Movies that use old tunes makes kids think there is a new group out there. Generation gaps! Who knew!"

This is from one of the band parents on the Lufkin website.

[Phoenixrising05]

Frankly I was surprised by two acts from the Lufkin camp this weekend.

1. At the end of the game with Camperas Cove the Lufkin band and fans played/sang the "Na Na Na . . . Say Hey . . . Good Bye" song. They did it over and over again. No need to rub it in to the losing team. On this board the Lufkin faithful have more class than that.

2. I know Coach Outlaw and the Lufkin fans are thrilled to have the SLC game in East Texas but they accomplished that at the cost of not allowing 10,000+ fans attend the game. That's a shame. I have no problem having the game in East Texas but not at such a small venue. I guess home field advantage comes before the fans.

no kidding. ALthough #2 is in dispute as Dodge may be responsbile there is *NO* excuse for the band...the director should have stood up and shut them that second.

[implacable44]

Frankly I was surprised by two acts from the Lufkin camp this weekend.

1. At the end of the game with Camperas Cove the Lufkin band and fans played/sang the "Na Na Na . . . Say Hey . . . Good Bye" song. They did it over and over again. No need to rub it in to the losing team. On this board the Lufkin faithful have more class than that.

2. I know Coach Outlaw and the Lufkin fans are thrilled to have the SLC game in East Texas but they accomplished that at the cost of not allowing 10,000+ fans attend the game. That's a shame. I have no problem having the game in East Texas but not at such a small venue. I guess home field advantage comes before the fans.

well dad -- if you believe the posts on this board in another thread - coach Dodge denied playing at A&M because he wants to play on grass and agreed to the flip - so you need to hold him responsible for this venue - not Lufkin - so let me see you chastise Dodge the same way you chastised Lufkin based on an assumption

[dragonfootballfan]

well dad -- if you believe the posts on this board in another thread - coach Dodge denied playing at A&M because he wants to play on grass and agreed to the flip - so you need to hold him responsible for this venue - not Lufkin - so let me see you chastise Dodge the same way you chastised Lufkin based on an assumption
If Outlaw wanted to play at Dead dog field why did he not put that up as his homefield. Carroll should have put up Dragon Stadium, that would have forced Outlaw to pick Texas Stadium

[EasTex9]

You mean you are really going to judge us all on something the band does?? and then to call us classless because you have to travel to East Texas, boy are you confused.....

WOW! You think that just because you lost the home and home coin toss you can start flaming Lufkin and try to point out our classless acts. I am quite sure SLC is lilly white and everybody always behaves the way they are supposed to.

Last I checked the playing field dimensions are all the same, the seats are for the fans, not the players. We didn't like having to travel to Floyd Casey on a Friday night but we did. I did not get home until 0200 in the morning and had to go to work by 0500...I know it really sucks when we don't get our way, but what do you expect from a lot of armchair QB's;)

SLC has a great program, we respect it, and we have been looking forward to this game all year, and had to fight like heck to get back here. We'll be at SFA next Saturday, that my SLC friend has already been settled!! We'll give it another shot...come if you like because you are certainly welcome, but take it easy on the classless comments:confused:

Jeremy was a great loss from the perspective that he worked hard to get here and it's a shame that he may not be able to play because he deserved it; however, we are not without resources and Ralph will do just fine as will the Lufkin Panthers.

[PACKMAN]

The band also did that a few weeks ago when they barely beat Harker Heights.

I think Lufkin needs to do everything they can to win and that includes playing at a smaller place.


Lonny ........ I agree with you on the band issue. Our group voiced our disapproval while the band played.

As for your other remark ................ I don't care if you have 10,000 posts on this site, your implication about our team made you look like a true "scout teamer"!!!!!

[Dragon2Aggie]

"I don't know what we're yelling about! Loud noises!"

[SLCDad]

well dad -- if you believe the posts on this board in another thread - coach Dodge denied playing at A&M because he wants to play on grass and agreed to the flip - so you need to hold him responsible for this venue - not Lufkin - so let me see you chastise Dodge the same way you chastised Lufkin based on an assumptionIn 2002 and 2004 it was a neutral site. Neither team had the advantage. Coach Dodge offered a venue that was large enough for all the fans. Coach Outlaw did not.

I'm glad to hear the Lufkin fans expressing disapproval of their band's and fan's actions.

[Favpack]

If Outlaw wanted to play at Dead dog field why did he not put that up as his homefield. Carroll should have put up Dragon Stadium, that would have forced Outlaw to pick Texas Stadium

That's senseless DFF - Coach O picked SFA - which will seat 23,000 - not Abe Martin - which holds about what Dragon stadium holds. Coach D didn't like A&M or Tyler - I'm still not hearing of true alternate neutral site Todd selected?

[dragonfootballfan]

That's senseless DFF - Coach O picked SFA - which will seat 23,000 - not Abe Martin - which holds about what Dragon stadium holds. Coach D didn't like A&M or Tyler - I'm still not hearing of true alternate neutral site Todd selected?
If Carroll had put up Dragon Stadium they would have come to an agreement on a neutral site. If I were coach Dodge and found out that they put up SFA I would have put up Dragon Stadium, that way if Carroll won the toss all of the Lufkin fans would have something to complain about

[PACKMAN]

Surely someone will explain how all this works to all of the SLC players. I'm quite confident that being the intelligent kids that they are, this will not affect them the way it has obviously ruined the lives of their parents.

Hopefully the boys will show up Saturday and we will have a competitive game of playoff football ............ Isn't that what its all about?????

[SLCDad]

. . . SFA - which will seat 23,000 . . . Really? It thought it was much smaller, around 14,000. Does the 23,000 include sitting on the grass?

[AZTiger]

"I don't know what we're yelling about! Loud noises!"

LOL post of the day

[rancher52]

Really? It thought it was much smaller, around 14,000. Does the 23,000 include sitting on the grass?
It must.... 14573 is listed on the web. At least the SLC folks will all be in green... that way you won;'t see all the grass stains.

[dragonfootballfan]

Surely someone will explain how all this works to all of the SLC players. I'm quite confident that being the intelligent kids that they are, this will not affect them the way it has obviously ruined the lives of their parents.

Hopefully the boys will show up Saturday and we will have a competitive game of playoff football ............ Isn't that what its all about?????
what would your reaction be if you had to travel 3.5 hours to go to a game that won't seat as many fans as your home team had at your last game?

[LPanther]

I enjoy the amtmosphere when SLC and LP play. They bring good crowds and have played two great games. Also, the SLC posters are usually knowledgable and respectful. However, you failed to do your homework on this one SLCDad. FCasey was unavailable, and Dodge nixed other venues. Also, the band's song was not what you thought, but even if it was it was not across the line. Looking forward to another great game.

[PantherStang84]

what would your reaction be if you had to travel 3.5 hours to go to a game that won't seat as many fans as your home team had at your last game?

That's an easy one. Load up the car and hit the road. Get there early to get a seat. Been doing it for years now.

[Dragon2Aggie]

Alright, I've come up with the answer to all our worries. Maybe we need to get the game televised and then we won't have to worry about driving 3 hours to find out that there isn't any seating for us! K so let's work on that! Thanks and gig em!

[LPanther]

what would your reaction be if you had to travel 3.5 hours to go to a game that won't seat as many fans as your home team had at your last game?
I'd get in my car, make the drive, and quit complaining!:cool:

[PACK]

Frankly I was surprised by two acts from the Lufkin camp this weekend.

1. At the end of the game with Camperas Cove the Lufkin band and fans played/sang the "Na Na Na . . . Say Hey . . . Good Bye" song. They did it over and over again. No need to rub it in to the losing team. On this board the Lufkin faithful have more class than that.

2. I know Coach Outlaw and the Lufkin fans are thrilled to have the SLC game in East Texas but they accomplished that at the cost of not allowing 10,000+ fans attend the game. That's a shame. I have no problem having the game in East Texas but not at such a small venue. I guess home field advantage comes before the fans.

Apparently DAD you assume this because the kids DID NOT play the Na na Goodbye song. It is a similiar arrangement of a song called We Ready. It's a rap song with a football rap like Let's Go! You'll probablly hear it a lot if you go to many games. You can download it on itunes for a 99 cents. Kids these days probably don't even no the Good-bye song.

And talking about class, you need to start in Dallas with your radio announcers talking about how Coach Outlaw is selfish in wanting to play at Homer and that SLC boys deserved a better place to play. They again assumed too much and didn't know Kyle was an option. Dodge wanted TS and so the natural course was for Outlaw to pick Homer. I think your annoucers need to appolgise for this type of behavior. In fact I think it was a coach (non SLC or PLano) in the booth doing it I'm not sure. Anyway, it was sad and uncalled for.

But, I think you'll find that everyone that wants in to Homer will get in. It will be a game to remeber as all SLC and Lufkin games have been. I hate to hear that Renfro is out for the season if I heard right. He is a great player and no doubt in pain just as our QB went down last night with the broken arm. You want these teams to be at their best when they meet. They will be with the rest of the kids.

It's probably going to be thick this week with smack, but both sides respect each other which no one will doubt. We can cheer our teams or be idiots! I guess the ball is your court for now!

[drgnbkr]

Hey, the coaches handled it.....now we get to be fans for a week..I'll be there, probably just a little earlier than usual...I'm looking forward to a great week with our friends from Lufkin...

[vette25_88]

Frankly I was surprised by two acts from the Lufkin camp this weekend.

1. At the end of the game with Camperas Cove the Lufkin band and fans played/sang the "Na Na Na . . . Say Hey . . . Good Bye" song. They did it over and over again. No need to rub it in to the losing team. On this board the Lufkin faithful have more class than that.

2. I know Coach Outlaw and the Lufkin fans are thrilled to have the SLC game in East Texas but they accomplished that at the cost of not allowing 10,000+ fans attend the game. That's a shame. I have no problem having the game in East Texas but not at such a small venue. I guess home field advantage comes before the fans.

To the first one about the band.....That song is call "We ready". We also played it the first time the LP defense was on the field. We caused a fumble and recovered it. It appartly pump up our players so we decided to play it again. And to the second about home field advantage before the fans.....It was either SFA or Texas Stadium. Both places are like a second home to their teams during the playoffs. SFA is right next door to lufkin and TS is the same of SLC. But people like you always seem to complain about everything when it doesn't go your way. Lufkin has travel to Waco 3 out of 4 games and we're not posting complaints. Be good fans like SLC has and travel well like you guys always do. Be safe and good luck.:D
;)

[lonny23]

Lonny ........ I agree with you on the band issue. Our group voiced our disapproval while the band played.

As for your other remark ................ I don't care if you have 10,000 posts on this site, your implication about our team made you look like a true "scout teamer"!!!!!
What's wrong with me agreeing that playing in Nacogdoches is good for Lufkin? Maybe I'm missing something. What did I say that you didn't like?

[SLCDad]

I enjoy the amtmosphere when SLC and LP play. They bring good crowds and have played two great games. Also, the SLC posters are usually knowledgable and respectful. However, you failed to do your homework on this one SLCDad. FCasey was unavailable, and Dodge nixed other venues. Also, the band's song was not what you thought, but even if it was it was not across the line. Looking forward to another great game.I heard the song. It was exactly what I said it was.

I'm just disappointed that Coach Outlaw didn't offer a site that was large enough for all the fans like Coach Dodge did.

[lonny23]

Really? It thought it was much smaller, around 14,000. Does the 23,000 include sitting on the grass?
Yes and Irvin should be there with grass readily available!:p

[Primetime536]

Lufkins band is so pathetic

[FootballJunkie]

The Junkman says this thread is garbage!! I was at the game and from all the Panther people I met before and after the game nothing but class!!! So for what it is worth Lufkin is a CLASS program!! Congrats;)

[dragonfootballfan]

And talking about class, you need to start in Dallas with your radio announcers talking about how Coach Outlaw is selfish in wanting to play at Homer and that SLC boys deserved a better place to play. They again assumed too much and didn't know Kyle was an option. Dodge wanted TS and so the natural course was for Outlaw to pick Homer. I think your annoucers need to appolgise for this type of behavior. In fact I think it was a coach (non SLC or PLano) in the booth doing it I'm not sure. Anyway, it was sad and uncalled for.

If Outlaw wanted to play in Dead Dog field so much why did he not put that stadium up as his homefield?

[drgnbkr]

Lufkins band is so pathetic

I love the Lufkin band..I'm glad we'll see them & the LP fans this weekend...should be another fun LP/Carroll week!

[Primetime536]

I love the Lufkin band..I'm glad we'll see them & the LP fans this weekend...should be another fun LP/Carroll week!
You love them? Well, if they beat you, i can garentee you wont Love them. Im sure if they get over the hump and beat SLC they will take bad sportsmenship to a new level.....Maybe a SLC sucks chant, or We win chant.

[biki1121]

Ya'll are arguing about a band...

[vette25_88]

Ya'll are arguing about a band...
Yeah....maybe it will make another 8 pages like last time:D

[PACK]

If Outlaw wanted to play in Dead Dog field so much why did he not put that stadium up as his homefield?

Why drive when you don't have to. It was your coaches decision. He could have had Kyle but was greedy in wanting to play at TS. Just because we talk slow doesn't make us stupid. We have no problem with Homer! It will fit all our fans just nicely thank you! It was good enough for us and Longview last year and no one complained. Are you saying that people from Dallas are to good to play here? Come on down early and get you a turkey leg to chew on and enjoy the game. Bring a blanket and have a picnic. Forecast is for a 30% chance of rain. Might want to bring a tarp and raincoat as well.
See you in Nac!

[Slim-Rob]

Frankly I was surprised by two acts from the Lufkin camp this weekend.

1. At the end of the game with Camperas Cove the Lufkin band and fans played/sang the "Na Na Na . . . Say Hey . . . Good Bye" song. They did it over and over again. No need to rub it in to the losing team. On this board the Lufkin faithful have more class than that.

2. I know Coach Outlaw and the Lufkin fans are thrilled to have the SLC game in East Texas but they accomplished that at the cost of not allowing 10,000+ fans attend the game. That's a shame. I have no problem having the game in East Texas but not at such a small venue. I guess home field advantage comes before the fans.

Nothing wrong with that song. How do you think Judson felt last year when we had to go to the Astrodome last year for the Semi's. We still had thousands of fans, so it didn't matter. There is no need to get mad about having to go to SFA.

How do you think people feel about having to go to Texas Stadium?

[PACK]

Lufkins band is so pathetic

Well, I guess since you didn't beat the team you have to pick on the band huh! Well they won that one as well. Lufkin's band was winning contest long before your school ever had the first brick laid. They Rock in the stands and on the field. And what did the HH band do at halftime? I'll tell you. Walked out on the field, stood there and played a song or two then walked off. LP did a drill while marching and playing. And at the same time. :eek:
Lighten up a little and enjoy basketball season!

[PowerPack'd]

Frankly I was surprised by two acts from the Lufkin camp this weekend.

1. At the end of the game with Camperas Cove the Lufkin band and fans played/sang the "Na Na Na . . . Say Hey . . . Good Bye" song. They did it over and over again. No need to rub it in to the losing team. On this board the Lufkin faithful have more class than that.

2. I know Coach Outlaw and the Lufkin fans are thrilled to have the SLC game in East Texas but they accomplished that at the cost of not allowing 10,000+ fans attend the game. That's a shame. I have no problem having the game in East Texas but not at such a small venue. I guess home field advantage comes before the fans.
Not all of the Lufkin fans were singing. I know for a fact that myself and PackAttack2005 were notsinging.

[PowerPack'd]

Frankly I was surprised by two acts from the Lufkin camp this weekend.

1. At the end of the game with Camperas Cove the Lufkin band and fans played/sang the "Na Na Na . . . Say Hey . . . Good Bye" song. They did it over and over again. No need to rub it in to the losing team. On this board the Lufkin faithful have more class than that.

2. I know Coach Outlaw and the Lufkin fans are thrilled to have the SLC game in East Texas but they accomplished that at the cost of not allowing 10,000+ fans attend the game. That's a shame. I have no problem having the game in East Texas but not at such a small venue. I guess home field advantage comes before the fans.
You can fit 23,000 into the stadium fairly easily. Yes, some will have to sit on the grass, but it will still be a great game.

[Ladypack34]

Lufkins band is so pathetic

man don't say that...I mean I'm not in band..and I don't have any friends in band...but that shows just as little class as you say that our band shows...and you should be more mature about that...I do go to school with those people..and you wouldn't anyone to say that about your child/friend/family member....or whatever...so YOU show some more class...

[LP_BAND_MOM]

Lufkins band is so pathetic
You are so sad....so sad.....you are just trying to upset Lufkin band....etc....but you are right....we have more class than that....like totally ignoring your idiotic remarks.....live with it....now I'm telling you...
nah nah nah nah.......GOODBYE!!!!!!!!!!

[VB Pack Fan]

Lufkins band is so pathetic

But they are good....................:D

[lpfanforever]

the band is good. this is the first year they have gotten away from the stupid music like rockin robin. as an lp fan i know i am happy we got a new band director that actually allows them to play music that will actually pump up the fans instead of having them in the stands going not again when they start playing. yeah they may play some songs at the wrong time. but hey, you or i aren't the band director so there isn't much we can do about it.

[Ladypack34]

Plus it's not even like anyone cares about the band..except their parents (as shown above :confused: )...nobody gets into the performance....

[lufkin_82]

This explains the Lufkin band singing the Na Na song.....

"I guess this shows the age gap here for many of us. Looks like someone did a remake using the Na Na song and changed the words. The kids today probably never heard the original. Wouldn't surprise me. Movies that use old tunes makes kids think there is a new group out there. Generation gaps! Who knew!"

This is from one of the band parents on the Lufkin website.
song is called we ready... seems like that was what they were singing

[VB Pack Fan]

You love them? Well, if they beat you, i can garentee you wont Love them. Im sure if they get over the hump and beat SLC they will take bad sportsmenship to a new level.....Maybe a SLC sucks chant, or We win chant.
I think you are still hurt "Primetime"because you took a early exit. Guys this is only high school football. A lot of these kids will play their final football for good. We lost our starting QB, looks like we are snakebite , loosing another key player in the post season, just got to suck it up and play ball. I hope everyone from SLC have a safe drive down...............:)

[drgnbkr]

You love them? Well, if they beat you, i can garentee you wont Love them. Im sure if they get over the hump and beat SLC they will take bad sportsmenship to a new level.....Maybe a SLC sucks chant, or We win chant.

Wow get over it bud..we have a great rivalry with Lufkin & look forward to the challenge of playing them again...I do like their band and their fans..we have'nt had anything but respect from them..maybe its just you....:confused:

[chap fan]

The title of this post from my experience operates from a false assumption. I was not impressed with the Lufkin fans (even though we have several personal friends in that community), and I have had the privilege of attending quite a few post season playoff games in the past six years.

Whether it's Lufkin or North Shore, that "song" is an oldie (no "generation gap" excuses allowed--although a taste gap is obviously present), and when sung at the end of the game when your team is ahead is poor sportsmanship. After the Harker Heights game, some Lufkin band mom was on here actually defending the band members' singing it--as are several posters today. That should tell you all you need to know about Lufkin's alleged "class". And that the teachers and parents don't stop it or even think it's inappropriate is a bold statement of the "class" of their community. And yes, Lufkin fans, ALL of your student groups, not just your football team, represent your school and community. You may have a good football team, but you don't even begin to rank in the "class" department. Go Dragons!

[PowerPack'd]

The Junkman says this thread is garbage!! I was at the game and from all the Panther people I met before and after the game nothing but class!!! So for what it is worth Lufkin is a CLASS program!! Congrats;)
We appreciate that Junkman.

[Cat]

You may have a good football team, but you don't even begin to rank in the "class" department. Go Dragons!


And I guess you do....

Who are you to determine who has class or not? Are you the self-proclaimed morality monitor now?

What a jerk.......

[lonny23]

song is called we ready... seems like that was what they were singing
I heard that before. I heard it just sounded like the other song. I'm going to see if I can find the song.

[SLCDad]

Not all of the Lufkin fans were singing. I know for a fact that myself and PackAttack2005 were notsinging.That's good. It's sad that any Lufkin fan behaved like that.

[PowerPack'd]

Plus it's not even like anyone cares about the band..except their parents (as shown above :confused: )...nobody gets into the performance....
I disagree. Everyone in the reserved section at Abe Martin always gives the band a standing ovation when they come off of the field. I almost always wait until after our band has perfomed to get up and get snacks, etc.

[chap fan]

I'm only a mom and a certified teacher, so if that makes me a morality monitor, so be it. I think all of us adults owe the kids adult supervision and guidance and lessons in sportsmanship. It is the attitude of the adults like the Lufkin band mom and the apparent failure of their band director to take control of the situation that concerns me far more than the conduct of the kids. Apparently the morality monitors there are out to lunch.

[wide-e-wide]

Playing "na-na hey hey hey goodbye" is classless?

This crap has gone too far...

You sir are a freakin' squat to piss panzy...
It's the BAND!!! OMG...what a chump.

[wide-e-wide]

You gotta be kiddin' me man....
I would be willing to bet...all of these posts
are coming from guys that would too soft to
play back in HS...

Makes me wanna puke.

[PACK]

lonny23, it is called We Ready by Archie Eversole. Probably a ganster rap thing but I never understand the words anyway. Someone said itunes had it so I downloaded it. It is catchy! I hope they play it again so SLCDad can hear it again.

For SLCDad, here are the words the kids were singing. Copy this off so you too can sing along.
We Ready
We Ready
(Are you still with me here? Here's the big finish)
We Ready for yall.
(Repeat)
I don't know what you were singing, but apparently the wrong song.

I find all this strange from the people that had "Who's Your Daddy" banners at Floyd last year. Have a good drive Saturday! We'll be here waiting and We Ready! :D

[Pineywoodsrooter]

slcdad,
Come on where else would we play? There is know other venue for us to offer for home and home. We should just have conceded and play at Texas stadium for you. We have always trY to pick a neutral site because we travel so well. But some places were booked and others couldn't be agreed on. You know the coaches agree to the options not the fans sorry if you want to coach you should coach and you could make the choices.SLCDAD, YOU HAVE TOLD US WHAT YOU THOUGHT BUT WHERE ELSE COULD WE CHOOSE TO PLAY? BESIDES SFA???????????????? AND I WILL TELL YOU SOMETHING ELSE YOU SHOULD BE MAD BECAUSE THERE WILL BE KNOW WHERE FOR YOU TO SIT AND 20,000 COUNTRY REDNECKS SCREAMING FOR 3 HOURS SORRY BUDDY I WOULD JUST STAY AT HOME IF I WERE YOU. :p

[SLCDad]

lonny23, it is called We Ready by Archie Eversole. Probably a ganster rap thing but I never understand the words anyway. Someone said itunes had it so I downloaded it. It is catchy! I hope they play it again so SLCDad can hear it again.

For SLCDad, here are the words the kids were singing. Copy this off so you too can sing along.
We Ready
We Ready
(Are you still with me here? Here's the big finish)
We Ready for yall.
(Repeat)
I don't know what you were singing, but apparently the wrong song.

I find all this strange from the people that had "Who's Your Daddy" banners at Floyd last year. Have a good drive Saturday! We'll be here waiting and We Ready! :DThose aren't the words sung after last nights game.

[SLCDad]

slcdad,
Come on where else would we play? There is know other venue for us to offer for home and home. We should just have conceded and play at Texas stadium for you. We have always trY to pick a neutral site because we travel so well. But some places were booked and others couldn't be agreed on. You know the coaches agree to the options not the fans sorry if you want to coach you should coach and you could make the choices.SLCDAD, YOU HAVE TOLD US WHAT YOU THOUGHT BUT WHERE ELSE COULD WE CHOOSE TO PLAY? BESIDES SFA???????????????? AND I WILL TELL YOU SOMETHING ELSE YOU SHOULD BE MAD BECAUSE THERE WILL BE KNOW WHERE FOR YOU TO SIT AND 20,000 COUNTRY REDNECKS SCREAMING FOR 3 HOURS SORRY BUDDY I WOULD JUST STAY AT HOME IF I WERE YOU. :pCoach Outlaw could have picked College Station.

[Dragon2Aggie]

How bout them Cowboys?

[SLCDad]

Playing "na-na hey hey hey goodbye" is classless?

This crap has gone too far...

You sir are a freakin' squat to piss panzy...
It's the BAND!!! OMG...what a chump.Nope. When a high school team losses a big game you don't rub their noses in it. No class.

You sir, are vulgar.

[drgnbkr]

Coach Outlaw could have picked College Station.

As I understand it dad..Coach Dodge does'nt want to play on grass..ie. College Station, in case of rain...

[SLCDad]

As I understand it dad..Coach Dodge does'nt want to play on grass..ie. College Station, in case of rain...Yes, but for the home and home coin flip, Coach Outlaw could have picked any location he wanted.

[Pineywoodsrooter]

Yeah but he won home and home it make no sense to risk having to play at the other teams home and then not play at yours. Use your head a little. Your not making any sense. You still haven't told anyone where we should have pick. and I think coach Dodge didn't want College Station.

[lonny23]

Nope. When a high school team losses a big game you don't rub their noses in it. No class.

You sir, are vulgar.That's the new and improved version. The old version got banned 3 times!:D Seriously, Wide is a doing a good job.

[c-town_scout]

HOW ABOUT THIS: If Southlake wins they can sing...nah nah nah, If Lufkin wins they can sing it!! OK! Can y'all just please talk about football? I want to see the compairisons between you two teams. Get off the stadium subject and lets talk football!!

[lonny23]

Yes, but for the home and home coin flip, Coach Outlaw could have picked any location he wanted.
He picked the place that was close enough to home to not travel a lot and still get a lot of fans in there. He wants to win and SFA has been good to Lufkin. I would've done the same thing if I was Outlaw.

[lonny23]

HOW ABOUT THIS: If Southlake wins they can sing...nah nah nah, If Lufkin wins they can sing it!! OK! Can y'all just please talk about football? I want to see the compairisons between you two teams. Get off the stadium subject and lets talk football!!
This fight never ends; even during the offseason. They'll say each team is good after they play...and then start fighting again!:D

[SLCDad]

That's the new and improved version. The old version got banned 3 times!:D Seriously, Wide is a doing a good job.I guess that's true considering it's Wide.

[SLCDad]

He picked the place that was close enough to home to not travel a lot and still get a lot of fans in there. He wants to win and SFA has been good to Lufkin. I would've done the same thing if I was Outlaw.Since Lufkin has been beating up on everyone in East Texas for the last 5 years EVERY location out East has been good to Lufkin.

[constance108]

its not about how the fans and bands act it is about how the players act this is smash mouth football not flag football

[Pineywoodsrooter]

Did you come to your senses slcdad. I am not trying to flame you but I just didn't understand why you wanted us to pick college station after we won the toss. Then you call us classless for choosing SFA. I am pretty sure that it was your coaches fault that we couldn't find a neutral site.

[Phoenixrising05]

I haven't seen him (SLCDad) post anything deragatory after it was revealed Dodge shot-down Kyle b/c of the grass...

[SLCDad]

I haven't seen him (SLCDad) post anything deragatory after it was revealed Dodge shot-down Kyle b/c of the grass...I stand by my original post. It's unfortunate that Outlaw couldn't have opted for a larger venue.

I remember a couple of years ago when SLC played Arlington in Round 3. They flipped for home and home. The game was played at Dragon Stadium which seats only 9,000 (but 24,000 if you include the grass).

[Phoenixrising05]

I stand by my original post. It's unfortunate that we don't have a larger venue.

This is true..but if Dodge declined the oppurtunity to play at Kyle field then really the responsiblity stops there. I don't know of any other stadium that Outlaw could have chosen :confused:

[dragonfootballfan]

This is true..but if Dodge declined the oppurtunity to play at Kyle field then really the responsiblity stops there. I don't know of any other stadium that Outlaw could have chosen :confused:
no it is not Dodge's responsibility to choose a field that he does not believe is neutral.

[lpfanforever]

who gets to pick the time and date?
is it whoever wins the toss?



well if outlaw got to pick what time to play then slc got lucky coach outlaw didn't pick to play at SFA on Friday night @ 7:30. so things could be worse.

[PackAttack2005]

SLC Dad, Lufkin won the toss fair and square as agreed by both coaches, just because you don't get your way and play at Texas Stadium again, surley isn't fair to Lufkin. Get off of your high horse, Dodge should have offered a better plan. He could of had Kyle Field, but totally balked at the idea because he wanted to play in the metroplex. He took the gamble an lost.

Prime, shut up about the Lufkin band, they are better than anything at Heights.

For the 1000th time , the song Lufkin played was "We Ready" and not "Hey Hey Goodbye", go ahead and make a big deal out of this because your all starting to sound like a bunch of babies.

I suggest you get ready to come to Nacogdoches this Saturday and play Lufkin, because nothing you say or do will change that option.

[kchsfan]

Don't judge the Lufkin football team on what the band does. This is not the first classless thing this band has done this year. Blame it on a director, not the athletic dept. They play when players are hurt, they play during other teams senior night etc.

Way to go Lufkin football team.

[pack_90]

Coach Outlaw could have picked College Station.
You're completely missing the point. This thread wouldn't exist if Coach Dodge would have "picked College Station"

[dragonfootballfan]

You're completely missing the point. This thread wouldn't exist if Coach Dodge would have "picked College Station"
he did not want to pick college station. He wanted somewhere else. He did not have to pick anything and neither did coach Outlaw. What has got people upset is that Outlaw totally disregarded the fans in his choice of stadium to select as Lufkin's homefield in a flip. Coach Dodge selected a site that was accomadating for all fans and Coach Outlaw did not. Did he have to pick a place that could fit everybody? no and he didn't. An analogy can be made by saying that I could take the last seat on the bus before a little old lady comes on and desperately needs to sit down. I could stay in the seat because there is no law about me sitting there, but I don't because I have good manners. Coach Outlaw could have exhibited good manners by selecting a stadium big enough to accomadate all fans even though he did not have to.

[PACK]

Don't judge the Lufkin football team on what the band does. This is not the first classless thing this band has done this year. Blame it on a director, not the athletic dept. They play when players are hurt, they play during other teams senior night etc.

Way to go Lufkin football team.

That's a downright bald face lie. I've been to every game including that pitiful game of yours and that my friend didn't happen. I know for a fact that as soon as it is brought to the attention of the director of an injury they stop. As for as your senior night, you guys had every freaking senior in the school along with your parents. Save that for parent night at the school. Why in the world would we want to have to sit through that? And all they did was warm up before your senior night ever started.

[MLL]

I am a Dawgs fan and have been one for years, I was also a student athletic way back. The Lufkin band did not do anything by playing the song. They were just waped up in the moment. You can not blame 15-17 year olds on playing. The game itself was great, and to me Lufkin does have class. The two teams that played Friday played with class and you can not say anything bad about that.

[pantherfootballfan]

Hello all!

I am in the Lufkin band, as several of you may know.

Like many have said, yes, the band was playing the song, "We Ready". There was a comment made that said "those weren't the words the band was singing", but in my personal experience, those were the words that were coming from the mouths of those around me.

Also, the whole band didn't play the song, "We Ready"; in fact,the whole band doesn't know that song. We have a seperate band named the "Jam Band", and they usually play in the third and fourth quarters - that's who played "We Ready".

Also, contrary to popular belief it seems, we do not play when other teams are injured. Granted, sometimes our director is trying to direct us, and is not turned towards the field, but if we see a player down, we immediately show respect as a program, and cease to play.

Also, about the Harker Heights game, we did not play "We Ready"; the controversy was over the chant called "Who's Your Daddy", which only some of the band participated in - but not everyone. As for that chant, Mr. Williams talked to us about it and shut it down for good, so for those who say that we will still chant, I assure you that we will not. The chanting issue is definitely over, so you won't have to worry about it any more.

And again, about the song: it was not a classless song to play, and I'm sure that half of the band members are not aware of the original. I, for one, never even thought of "Nah, nah, nah" when we played the song; I thought of the song, "We Ready". Of course, I can't speak for the whole band, so I apologize on behalf of the band for any rude remarks, songs, or comments regarding the song, if there even were any. And if there were, I did not hear them.

Also, don't judge an organization or a whole town on the actions of a select few. In this case, the band did nothing wrong, but in the event that any Lufkin program makes a mistake such as this, remember that not everyone from Lufkin participates and condones what a select few do.

I hope I have not offended anyone, and I hope that everyone on here has a great week. I'm looking forward to the game; it should be a good one. The SLC fans on the board seem to have a lot of class, and I enjoy reading about the team. Good luck Panthers, and congratulations Dragons on your win today.

[Phoenixrising05]

Hello all!

I am in the Lufkin band, as several of you may know.

Like many have said, yes, the band was playing the song, "We Ready". There was a comment made that said "those weren't the words the band was singing", but in my personal experience, those were the words that were coming from the mouths of those around me.

Also, the whole band didn't play the song, "We Ready"; in fact,the whole band doesn't know that song. We have a seperate band named the "Jam Band", and they usually play in the third and fourth quarters - that's who played "We Ready".

Also, contrary to popular belief it seems, we do not play when other teams are injured. Granted, sometimes our director is trying to direct us, and is not turned towards the field, but if we see a player down, we immediately show respect as a program, and cease to play.

Also, about the Harker Heights game, we did not play "We Ready"; the controversy was over the chant called "Who's Your Daddy", which only some of the band participated in - but not everyone. As for that chant, Mr. Williams talked to us about it and shut it down for good, so for those who say that we will still chant, I assure you that we will not. The chanting issue is definitely over, so you won't have to worry about it any more.

And again, about the song: it was not a classless song to play, and I'm sure that half of the band members are not aware of the original. I, for one, never even thought of "Nah, nah, nah" when we played the song; I thought of the song, "We Ready". Of course, I can't speak for the whole band, so I apologize on behalf of the band for any rude remarks, songs, or comments regarding the song, if there even were any. And if there were, I did not hear them.

Also, don't judge an organization or a whole town on the actions of a select few. In this case, the band did nothing wrong, but in the event that any Lufkin program makes a mistake such as this, remember that not everyone from Lufkin participates and condones what a select few do.

I hope I have not offended anyone, and I hope that everyone on here has a great week. I'm looking forward to the game; it should be a good one. The SLC fans on the board seem to have a lot of class, and I enjoy reading about the team. Good luck Panthers, and congratulations Dragons on your win today.

Thanks for clearing that all up so articulately. I've never heard of "We Ready" but look forward to it during next weeks game. Good luck to your QB i'm sure its going to be a hard week for him.

[pack_90]

he did not want to pick college station. He wanted somewhere else. He did not have to pick anything and neither did coach Outlaw. What has got people upset is that Outlaw totally disregarded the fans in his choice of stadium to select as Lufkin's homefield in a flip. Coach Dodge selected a site that was accomadating for all fans and Coach Outlaw did not. Did he have to pick a place that could fit everybody? no and he didn't. An analogy can be made by saying that I could take the last seat on the bus before a little old lady comes on and desperately needs to sit down. I could stay in the seat because there is no law about me sitting there, but I don't because I have good manners. Coach Outlaw could have exhibited good manners by selecting a stadium big enough to accomadate all fans even though he did not have to.
Since Dodge did not want College Station, he made the choice of possibly not accomodating his fan base by losing a home-home flip. Its that simple. Obviously, Outlaw was taking the same risk. When agreeing to this, an advantage to the winner is implied. If Outlaw had "good manners", I guess he would just agree to play at TS. As for the analogy, I did not realize SLC fans are in a desperate need to play near home. As stated before, this stadium will seat more than the 1st LP-SLC game in 02.

[dragonfootballfan]

Since Dodge did not want College Station, he made the choice of possibly not accomodating his fan base by losing a home-home flip. Its that simple. Obviously, Outlaw was taking the same risk. When agreeing to this, an advantage to the winner is implied. If Outlaw had "good manners", I guess he would just agree to play at TS. As for the analogy, I did not realize SLC fans are in a desperate need to play near home. As stated before, this stadium will seat more than the 1st LP-SLC game in 02.
For some reason Dodge did not think that the College Station site was neutral. It is not the location of the stadium, but the quality and the size of the stadium that is unsettling for the Carroll fans. The fans, coaches and players deserve to play in better facilities in the fifth round of the playoffs. In 2002 Carroll did not travel anywhere near as well as they do now for varying reasons. If Dodge had put up Dragon stadium and won the toss the Lufkin fans would have been just as upset as Dragon fans.

[PantherStang84]

Coach Outlaw could have exhibited good manners by selecting a stadium big enough to accomadate all fans even though he did not have to.

It's not like we have a lot of stadiums around here to choose from around here. I guess Coach Outlaw could have selected 3A Diboll's stadium.

[pantherfootballfan]

Thanks for clearing that all up so articulately. I've never heard of "We Ready" but look forward to it during next weeks game. Good luck to your QB i'm sure its going to be a hard week for him.

You are quite welcome! :)

About our QB; I don't know much about football, but hopefully Ralph Thomas can come in and get the job done. Hopefully, Jeremy's broken arm will heal as quickly as possible, and he can play again next year. I'm keeping Jeremy and his family in my thoughts and prayers.

[pack_90]

It's not like we have a lot of stadiums around here to choose from around here. I guess Coach Outlaw could have selected 3A Diboll's stadium.
Exactly, Outlaw offered other options as neutral sites. Those were not agreed upon. Anyone see some irony here....Dodge doesn't want to play on grass, now some SLC fans will have to sit on some.

[dragonfootballfan]

It's not like we have a lot of stadiums around here to choose from around here. I guess Coach Outlaw could have selected 3A Diboll's stadium.
he still could have chosen a different stadium. It doesn't matter if there are not any big stadiums close to Lufkin. If Carroll plays Lufkin again and Lufkin has to play at Dragon stadium there will be even more complaints.

[LPanther]

For some reason Dodge did not think that the College Station site was neutral. It is not the location of the stadium, but the quality and the size of the stadium that is unsettling for the Carroll fans.
College Station is just as neutral for SLC as TS is for Lufkin, so if you want to be upset with someone, turn your focus elsewhere, and it's pretty bad when you whine about the quality of a facility like this. Have you even been there?.....or will only pro facilities work for SLC?

[PackAttack2005]

You SLC guys don't get it. We offered Kyle Field to Dodge. He didn't take it. There are no other stadiums in East Texas larger than SFA (14,500) or Tyler Rose Stadium (12,500). SFA is not Lufkin's home stadium, Abe Martin is home for the Panthers (9933), SFA is much better.

What advantage is it for Lufkin to play in the metroplex? None at all. We have already gone to Wao (3) times in the last 4 weeks.

This whole thing smells of SLC arrogance to control and get what they want and not have to travel. Well, I have logged 19 hours of driving time the last four weeks to watch the Panther games. So don't cry to me about a little 8 hour round trip to Nacogdoches to play some football. That's just pocket change to Lufkin fans, it is now your turn to drive a little.

Load'em up and move'em out!

[pack_90]

he still could have chosen a different stadium. It doesn't matter if there are not any big stadiums close to Lufkin. If Carroll plays Lufkin again and Lufkin has to play at Dragon stadium there will be even more complaints.
Please offer a suggestion of a stadium that was available, large enough to accomodate everyone, and had a playing surface that SLC would accept. Since it was going to be home-home flip, you have to assume each coach would choose the best venue for their team/community. East Texas is not the metroplex. Lots of 1A, 2A, 3A, some 4A, a few 5A, fewer college, and no pro stadiums in the area. BTW, Abe Martin is LP's home stadium, not Homer Bryce. This should not even be discussed regarding the class of the Lufkin, coaches or otherwise. Remember, Dodge knew Outlaw's choice of a home stadium before the flip. And if Lufkin had to play a semi-final in Dragon stadium, I'm pretty sure Lufkin fans would be wondering why Outlaw put himself in the position to let that happen.

[BAMF cowboy]

i dont see what SLCDad or whoever it was that started this thread is complaining about. As for the lufkin band singing 'goodbye'...who cares. this is HIGH SCHOOL football. you're talking to 16 - 18 yr old kids. that's what they do. what's the fun of winning big games if you cant gloat a little about it.

and so what if we have to travel...big deal. What about '02, when we went to Abilene, and to Waco, and to San Antonio. We got spoiled last year only having to to travel once. It's like the good old days. Plus this venue seems great for HS school football.

plus, lufkin will need every advantage they can get:D

[DragonWatcher]

I think Outlaw wanted a small stadium site so few people would see Lufkin get the snot knocked out of them unlike the previous match ups. JK

If anyone thinks the players give a damn about this thier sorely mistaken. SLC wherever they have to, and will win wherever they have to. Sorry Pack I respect you guys imensly from previous encounters but with that broken arm and some close calls this year I don't see this one going down to the last second.

[pack_90]

i dont see what SLCDad or whoever it was that started this thread is complaining about. As for the lufkin band singing 'goodbye'...who cares. this is HIGH SCHOOL football. you're talking to 16 - 18 yr old kids. that's what they do. what's the fun of winning big games if you cant gloat a little about it.

and so what if we have to travel...big deal. What about '02, when we went to Abilene, and to Waco, and to San Antonio. We got spoiled last year only having to to travel once. It's like the good old days. Plus this venue seems great for HS school football.

plus, lufkin will need every advantage they can get:D
Agreed. If the atmosphere is anything like the Longview game at SFA in 04, it will be a unique experience for both schools; something the players will talk about for years to come. Hopefully, the game is worthy of all the hype. This will be good for the young men from SLC to play in a different environment from TS. A little adversity builds character. I'm sure the players aren't as worried about this as the posters here. Best wishes for safe travel and no injuries.

[PantherStang84]

but with that broken arm and some close calls this year I don't see this one going down to the last second.


It certainly does look bad for Lufkin on paper doesn't it?

[PACK]

Those aren't the words sung after last nights game.
Never mind.

[dragonbuck]

I didn't here any problems in 02 when we played at waco isd and it holds less than sfa. sorry for the the drive but east texas is pretty this time of year. Be safe and get here early.


Guys, you missing the point. It si not the drive we are worried about. Just like the Pack fans would do, the Dragon faithful would drive to Kansas to see them play - 15,000 strong! The problem is the size of this venue. Each team only gets 7,000 tickets. We each need 15,000! That's the problem.

Your kids and ours have worked to hard to have their friends and family stuck in the car listening to the game on the radiio outside the stadium.

[pack_90]

Guys, you missing the point. It si not the drive we are worried about. Just like the Pack fans would do, the Dragon faithful would drive to Kansas to see them play - 15,000 strong! The problem is the size of this venue. Each team only gets 7,000 tickets. We each need 15,000! That's the problem.

Your kids and ours have worked to hard to have their friends and family stuck in the car listening to the game on the radiio outside the stadium.
Again, talk to Dodge. Other options were available to him. I know he didn't want to, but Dodge should have agreed to Kyle. Lesser of two evils from his perspective. Again, no other posters have been able to provide any other stadiums, just complaints. BTW, more than 7000 Longview fans were present in 04. Some will just have to sit on the grass.

[PACK]

Guys, you missing the point. It si not the drive we are worried about. Just like the Pack fans would do, the Dragon faithful would drive to Kansas to see them play - 15,000 strong! The problem is the size of this venue. Each team only gets 7,000 tickets. We each need 15,000! That's the problem.

Your kids and ours have worked to hard to have their friends and family stuck in the car listening to the game on the radiio outside the stadium.

15000 faithful? Your own stadium doens't hold but 9K and that includes visitors. You'll probably have about 5000 faithful and we'll probably have a little more. The rest will just be others without ties to either school wanting to see a good game. Just get over it, plan your road trip and come down to see a game. IF you choose to sit in the car, the game will be on KYBI 100FM.
Someone mentioned the airport in Nac. It's a nice one but you have to call ahead if you want to land there so they can be sure and have all the livestock put up. ;)

[LPFAN]

Guys, you missing the point. It si not the drive we are worried about. Just like the Pack fans would do, the Dragon faithful would drive to Kansas to see them play - 15,000 strong! The problem is the size of this venue. Each team only gets 7,000 tickets. We each need 15,000! That's the problem.

Your kids and ours have worked to hard to have their friends and family stuck in the car listening to the game on the radiio outside the stadium.
You are missing the point too. THERE WILL BE ROOM!!!! There is plenty of room on the hills and at both endzones to sit in the grass. Quit acting like there is no way that everyone will fit. If I have to sit in the grass then so be it. Are you too good for the grass? Just come to the game and quit complaining about not having enough seats.

[PackAttack2005]

You still haven't offered us any other venue besides Texas Stadium. You got to do better than that. So, your saying for the sake of the kids and your 15,000 fans we should play at Texas Stadium, your home away from home, even though it would be a disadvantage for Lufkin?

Hey, we offered Kyle Field @ 90,000 plus, it that not enough for you? That was also a neutral site, which Texas Stadium isn't, but you already know that don't you?

You guys kill me, we come up with a adequate solution in Kyle Field and you turn it down and gripe because we won't come to Texas Stadium.

Are you just dense or what? To freely agree to play at Texas Stadium would not be in Lufkin's best interest and you know it. I thought you people in Southlake were smarter than that.

What's done is done, let's go to something else more substantial, there is nothing you can do but come to Nacogdoches and play.

[wide-e-wide]

I'm not too good for the grass...

signed,

Bob Marley
Marcus Vick
and
Ricky Williams

:D

[LPFAN]

I'm not too good for the grass...

signed,

Bob Marley
Marcus Vick
and
Ricky Williams

:D
Are you coming to town for this one?

[Redneckn]

I've got a great idea.

Next week, play the game in a secret location with only the teams and coaches there. No band. No fans. Nobody there but those playing, coaching, or calling the game. After it's over, everybody go home and not be allowed to say a word about the game.

That way, nobody has to travel anywhere. Nobody gets their feelings hurt because I kids sang "goodbye", and nobody has to sit in grass or around grass.

Nobody keeps score. No penalties.. EVERYBODY gets to be the winner.

[dragonbuck]

15000 faithful? Your own stadium doens't hold but 9K and that includes visitors. You'll probably have about 5000 faithful and we'll probably have a little more. The rest will just be others without ties to either school wanting to see a good game. Just get over it, plan your road trip and come down to see a game. IF you choose to sit in the car, the game will be on KYBI 100FM.
Someone mentioned the airport in Nac. It's a nice one but you have to call ahead if you want to land there so they can be sure and have all the livestock put up. ;)

Not true Packman. We had a total of 34K in Waco of which about 15K were from SLC. It was a sea of green. Same for Texas stadium today. Our side of Dragon stadium is sold out every week and is standing room only. This year they even began allowing SLC fans to sit on the visitors side fo Dragon stadium. Just like Floyd Casey last year against LP, we will brain an army as will LP. 7000 tickets will be available for each team at SFA according to UIL rules. It won't just be the Dragon faithful sitting in the grass.

[dragonbuck]

You are missing the point too. THERE WILL BE ROOM!!!! There is plenty of room on the hills and at both endzones to sit in the grass. Quit acting like there is no way that everyone will fit. If I have to sit in the grass then so be it. Are you too good for the grass? Just come to the game and quit complaining about not having enough seats.

I won't miss the game, and I will sit in the endzone if I have to just like I did in '02 at Waco ISD. I have missed one game out of the 61 games SLC has played in 5A. trust me, I'll be there.

Do you really think there will be room? I hope you are right. Either way, I'm there, seat or no seat.

Like the LP crew, our fans are faithful and travel in mass. I just hate to see anyone make the trip and not get in the door.

[lpfanforever]

im pretty sure they will not shut the door after 7,000 fans. last year at the lview game , lview had more than 7,000 fans. so if your only worry is not having enough room, trust me there will be room. even if you have to sit on the grass,sit on top of the consession stand,stand on the sidewalks inside the stadium, or stand somewhere around the bleachers.

[Lufkin_Class_Of_08]

Abe Martin is home for the Panthers (9933),
i believe abe martin seats 10,500-11,000

[slcfbstar05]

LUFKIN HAS no class...they used their band and everything else they had to win and rubbed it in coves face...im not surprised they rubbed the win in the knights face when they barely won...and look at all them on here on the forums getting defensive...but thats alright...its gonna be a good warmup for us to go to state..LUFKIN+NO STARTIN QB+SLC= A BIG *** WHOOPIN AND A SAD SAD BUS TRIP HOME..


:D GO DRAGONS!:D

[Primetime536]

Haha, yea lufkin may be classless, and i may complain about there band, but if i went to lufkin, i would be in with the chants. kinda hypocritical.

[slcfbstar05]

Haha, yea lufkin may be classless, and i may complain about there band, but if i went to lufkin, i would be in with the chants. kinda hypocritical.

yeah of course...if i was at another school i would be in on their chant too...but these are "ifs"...i know ill be chantin at our next game

panzy panthers 0 SLC Dragons 34

hahahahahahaa:D

[slcfbstar05]

:D IT WAS A FAIR FLIP YOUR COACH AGREED ON IT.

SLC FANS STOP THE *****ING YOUR TEAM IS A GREAT TEAM AND THEY HAVE TO PLAY AT SFA.

THE GAME IS PLAYED ON THE FIELD WITH THE PLAYERS NOT THE FANS.

GET OVER THE SITE AT SFA.

Blame your coach for having yall to travel so far with him flipping for the home and home. Lufkin fans would have not said anything about going to TS we would have got up and went to the game and have fun.

GO PANTHERS


yeah sure..you wouldnt of been *****in to drive to TS to see your team get schooled? sure..gonna be a great game though! maybe not without your qb

[PACK '97]

For some reason Dodge did not think that the College Station site was neutral. It is not the location of the stadium, but the quality and the size of the stadium that is unsettling for the Carroll fans. The fans, coaches and players deserve to play in better facilities in the fifth round of the playoffs. In 2002 Carroll did not travel anywhere near as well as they do now for varying reasons. If Dodge had put up Dragon stadium and won the toss the Lufkin fans would have been just as upset as Dragon fans.

DFF

I always respect your posts...Dodge and Outlaw (for some reason or another) could not agree on a neutral location...so we go home/home...SFA is the only location (for home) we have...believe me or not...no SLC fan will be denied at the gate...honestly, it will be packed, but if you want to see the game, you'll be able to...I live in Dallas...im just glad i have family still in lufkin to save me a 50 yd line seat...but even if i didnt, i know i would have a seat somewhere (even if it on the grass)...23k last year (lufkin/longview)..and still at least 5-7k more available on the grass...wont be that bad.

[PACK '97]

LUFKIN HAS no class...they used their band and everything else they had to win and rubbed it in coves face...im not surprised they rubbed the win in the knights face when they barely won...and look at all them on here on the forums getting defensive...but thats alright...its gonna be a good warmup for us to go to state..LUFKIN+NO STARTIN QB+SLC= A BIG *** WHOOPIN AND A SAD SAD BUS TRIP HOME..


:D GO DRAGONS!:D


look guys...PRIME..i respect you..you were at the game, i was also...when the band started playing the song, yes, it sounded like "nah nah nah...", but is was totally a different song...COVE was good and played a great game...cant take anything away from the team, coaches or fans...great atmosphere they brought...but ease up on the band...and SLC '05 (T82)..were you even at the game?...gimme a break...we (majority of lufkin) will and always will respect SLC (how can we not?)...we were not classless on friday...2 great teams battled it out...thats it...seems like you come on the board and make &^%$ up...Cove/Lp is a rivalry in the making...respect and class were on both sides friday...ALL teams (90%) that make it this far have a great, exciting and respectful program.

SLC/LP fans...be careful (including my 3 hr drive) to the game and back on saturday...will be another bada** game!!!

[dragonfootballfan]

You still haven't offered us any other venue besides Texas Stadium. You got to do better than that. So, your saying for the sake of the kids and your 15,000 fans we should play at Texas Stadium, your home away from home, even though it would be a disadvantage for Lufkin?

Hey, we offered Kyle Field @ 90,000 plus, it that not enough for you? That was also a neutral site, which Texas Stadium isn't, but you already know that don't you?

You guys kill me, we come up with a adequate solution in Kyle Field and you turn it down and gripe because we won't come to Texas Stadium.

Are you just dense or what? To freely agree to play at Texas Stadium would not be in Lufkin's best interest and you know it. I thought you people in Southlake were smarter than that.

What's done is done, let's go to something else more substantial, there is nothing you can do but come to Nacogdoches and play.
You offered College station as a neutral site not as your homefield. You could have put College Station up as your homefield. Outlaw is not required to do anything, like I stated above, but as I stated before some people do not consider others when making decisions.

I thought East Texas was the football Mecca. Atleast that is what I have been told by many Longview, Lufkin, and other fans. Why isn't there a stadium that sits more than 14,735 in East Texas? Is East Texas a big fraud?

[PACK '97]

You offered College station as a neutral site not as your homefield. You could have put College Station up as your homefield. Outlaw is not required to do anything, like I stated above, but as I stated before some people do not consider others when making decisions.

I thought East Texas was the football Mecca. Atleast that is what I have been told by many Longview, Lufkin, and other fans. Why isn't there a stadium that sits more than 14,735 in East Texas? Is East Texas a big fraud?

in ET, there is no need for a stadium bigger than what we have...we dont have the Cowboys playing within 30 minutes of us...i wish we did, but we dont...A&M was neutral site (2 hrs from us)...why would we flip TS (30 min from you against 2 hrs for us?)...doesnt make sense.

[dragonfootballfan]

in ET, there is no need for a stadium bigger than what we have...we dont have the Cowboys playing within 30 minutes of us...i wish we did, but we dont...A&M was neutral site (2 hrs from us)...why would we flip TS (30 min from you against 2 hrs for us?)...doesnt make sense.
For a region that prides itself on its great football and great fan support you sure do not have a big stadiums. In west Texas where there are no pro or college teams they have a couple 20,000 seat stadiums. I didn't want Lufkin to agree to come to Texas Stadium as a neutral site. It takes like 3.5 hours from Southlake to get to Aggy so that is the same spread of 1.5 hours that Lufkin would have if they went to Texas Stadium. I hope that next year both of these teams meet so that Lufkin would have to play at Carroll and I hope that they have to play in Dragon Stadium. I want to hear the complaints of the Lufkin faithful.

[farmerfan]

You offered College station as a neutral site not as your homefield. You could have put College Station up as your homefield. Outlaw is not required to do anything, like I stated above, but as I stated before some people do not consider others when making decisions.

I thought East Texas was the football Mecca. Atleast that is what I have been told by many Longview, Lufkin, and other fans. Why isn't there a stadium that sits more than 14,735 in East Texas? Is East Texas a big fraud?

What is wrong with College Station as a neutal site? it is around equal traveling distance for both teams, and a stadium large enought to accomodate both sets of fans. Also if this was a true home and home Dodge would have flipped Dragon for Abe, remember why you all had to go to Waco? Because Warren thought Southlake would flip Tx Stadium as its home so he would flip Shotwell, when Warren realized that Dragon Stadium would be Southlakes home site then he immidately aggreed to play in Waco. Just this last week you were not concerned about the strong following Abilene would have but yet defended Dodge for flipping Dragon stadium.
Once a neutral site is not agreed upon the coaches have two options and that is flipping home and home or choosing their own neutral site and flipping for that. What it sounds like is that Outlaw offered Kyle Field as a neutral site,. Dodge did not want to play there, so it came down to both choosing a neutral site or a home and home venue. Since none wanted to play at the opposings home field, they came up with their own neutral site, Outlaw chose SFA while Dodge chose TX Stadium, Outlaw won the flip and got the game at SFA. So quit giving SLC and its great fans a bad name and stop the whinning, this whole situation could have been avoided had Dodge agreed to a true neutral site, he didnt, and left it in the hands of a coin. Lufkin has not played a game at Homer Bryce this year so I do not understand the so called advantage they have.

It is quite simple, if they flipped home and home, it would have been Abe Martin against Dragon Stadium. This is actually a neutral site venue, its just that lufkin won the toss and got to choose the site.

[PACK '97]

For a region that prides itself on its great football and great fan support you sure do not have a big stadiums. In west Texas where there are no pro or college teams they have a couple 20,000 seat stadiums. I didn't want Lufkin to agree to come to Texas Stadium as a neutral site. It takes like 3.5 hours from Southlake to get to Aggy so that is the same spread of 1.5 hours that Lufkin would have if they went to Texas Stadium. I hope that next year both of these teams meet so that Lufkin would have to play at Carroll and I hope that they have to play in Dragon Stadium. I want to hear the complaints of the Lufkin faithful.


hey, sorry lufkin doesnt have a bigger stadium in ther area...what do you have?...besides TS?...does SLC hold 30k fans at their stadium?...its neither of our faults that dodge/outlaw flipped home/home...whatever they decided, they flipped for...PERIOD...cant do anything about it...Also, if you are coming to SFA, there will be plenty of seats if you get there in time. No need to fuss about it. I agree with you on the fact that if we played in TS, more people would show up, but that's not the case...Dont be mad at Outlaw for winning a FAIR flip...if Dodge didnt think it was a fair trade, do you really think he would FLIP?...SFA=25 minutes for LP....TS= 35 minutes for SLC...Do you really think LP would choose A&M for our home stadium?...its unfair that you are stating Outlaw and LP are the cause of this.

[dragonfootballfan]

What is wrong with College Station as a neutal site? it is around equal traveling distance for both teams, and a stadium large enought to accomodate both sets of fans. Also if this was a true home and home Dodge would have flipped Dragon for Abe, remember why you all had to go to Waco? Because Warren thought Southlake would flip Tx Stadium as its home so he would flip Shotwell, when Warren realized that Dragon Stadium would be Southlakes home site then he immidately aggreed to play in Waco. Just this last week you were not concerned about the strong following Abilene would have but yet defended Dodge for flipping Dragon stadium.
Once a neutral site is not agreed upon the coaches have two options and that is flipping home and home or choosing their own neutral site and flipping for that. What it sounds like is that Outlaw offered Kyle Field as a neutral site,. Dodge did not want to play there, so it came down to both choosing a neutral site or a home and home venue. Since none wanted to play at the opposings home field, they came up with their own neutral site, Outlaw chose SFA while Dodge chose TX Stadium, Outlaw won the flip and got the game at SFA. So quit giving SLC and its great fans a bad name and stop the whinning, this whole situation could have been avoided had Dodge agreed to a true neutral site, he didnt, and left it in the hands of a coin. Lufkin has not played a game at Homer Bryce this year so I do not understand the so called advantage they have.

It is quite simple, if they flipped home and home, it would have been Abe Martin against Dragon Stadium. This is actually a neutral site venue, its just that lufkin won the toss and got to choose the site.
If Carroll had won the toss the game would have been at Texas Stadium which was big enough to accomadate the size of a crowd that would be present at a game this big. Against Abilene their coach put up Shotwell which would have sat 15,000 and is also too small for the amount of fans that came (33,000). Too small is too small regardless of the venue and Dodge knew that if he was going to be able to accomadate everyone he would have to force the game to a larger venue. That is what he did.

This situation is different. One person put up a stadium that could fit everyone and the other put up a stadium that could not. Outlaw did not have to put up a stadium big enough, but like I said, it is a courtesy to do so.

It is not Dodge's fault that Outlaw picked a stadium that is far too small to accomadate all fans. Why does everybody feel that he is to blame? He did not make Outlaw choose the stadium. All he did was turn down a site that he felt was not neutral. I am sure that Dodge offered a neutral site alternative that Outlaw turned down.

Why am I giving Carroll fans a bad name? Did I resort to a personal attack? Did I use bad language? Did I break any rules on this board? Did I commit a crime of any kind? Did I use bad manners or poor taste in any one of my comments? What have I done that defames the Carroll Dragon name? I want to know. Show me where I have caused harm in this thread to the reputation of the dragon fan base and I will apologize for them.

[dragonfootballfan]

hey, sorry lufkin doesnt have a bigger stadium in ther area...what do you have?...besides TS?...does SLC hold 30k fans at their stadium?...its neither of our faults that dodge/outlaw flipped home/home...whatever they decided, they flipped for...PERIOD...cant do anything about it...Also, if you are coming to SFA, there will be plenty of seats if you get there in time. No need to fuss about it. I agree with you on the fact that if we played in TS, more people would show up, but that's not the case...Dont be mad at Outlaw for winning a FAIR flip...if Dodge didnt think it was a fair trade, do you really think he would FLIP?...SFA=25 minutes for LP....TS= 35 minutes for SLC...Do you really think LP would choose A&M for our home stadium?...its unfair that you are stating Outlaw and LP are the cause of this.
Look, Outlaw could choose any stadium that he wanted to. He chose SFA. I am saying that the right thing for him to do was to choose a stadium that could accomadate all fans even though he was not required to do so. Carroll put up a stadium big enough to accomadate everyone and Lufkin did not.

In the DFW area there are a few stadiums besides Texas Stadium that are big enough for games this big. There is the stadium at TCU, SMU, UNT, Mesquite Memorial (20k), and many more at 15k.

[lonny23]

West Texas has more oil money than places in East Texas except Gregg County. They can afford to build bigger stadiums. SLC is in Dallas, which is going to have bigger stadiums available. You also have the Cotton Bowl and 3 D1 college stadiums to choose from. All East Texas has is a D1-AA stadium in Nacogdoches that can get more people in than some of the other teams in their conference. That grass will help a lot, but it probably won't seat everybody. One stadium that wasn't mentioned was Independence Stadium in Shreveport. You're not going to find very many neutral stadiums between SLC and Lufkin.

[slcfbstar05]

You offered College station as a neutral site not as your homefield. You could have put College Station up as your homefield. Outlaw is not required to do anything, like I stated above, but as I stated before some people do not consider others when making decisions.

I thought East Texas was the football Mecca. Atleast that is what I have been told by many Longview, Lufkin, and other fans. Why isn't there a stadium that sits more than 14,735 in East Texas? Is East Texas a big fraud?

i was at the your lufkin/cove game....sat on the cove side front row...gotta say i and everyone around me thought cove had it when your qb was down and they did have it if the refs didnt bail yall out.....btw dragonfootballfan has got u about not havin any major stadiums

[farmerfan]

If Carroll had won the toss the game would have been at Texas Stadium which was big enough to accomadate the size of a crowd that would be present at a game this big. Against Abilene their coach put up Shotwell which would have sat 15,000 and is also too small for the amount of fans that came (33,000). Too small is too small regardless of the venue and Dodge knew that if he was going to be able to accomadate everyone he would have to force the game to a larger venue. That is what he did.

This situation is different. One person put up a stadium that could fit everyone and the other put up a stadium that could not. Outlaw did not have to put up a stadium big enough, but like I said, it is a courtesy to do so.

It is not Dodge's fault that Outlaw picked a stadium that is far too small to accomadate all fans. Why does everybody feel that he is to blame? He did not make Outlaw choose the stadium. All he did was turn down a site that he felt was not neutral. I am sure that Dodge offered a neutral site alternative that Outlaw turned down.

Why am I giving Carroll fans a bad name? Did I resort to a personal attack? Did I use bad language? Did I break any rules on this board? Did I commit a crime of any kind? Did I use bad manners or poor taste in any one of my comments? What have I done that defames the Carroll Dragon name? I want to know. Show me where I have caused harm in this thread to the reputation of the dragon fan base and I will apologize for them.


DFF
I like you a lot, you add some great conversation to this board and you are very knowledgeable.
However it seems as if you are whinning about a place that this game is taking place at. It is not about the fans, it is about giving your team the best chance to win.
The fact remains that a true neutral site was offered, Dodge rejected it, by doing that it came down to 2 alternatives.
1. Chosing a home and home and flipping for it.
2. Chosing your own destination for a neutral site and flipping for it.

Im sure both coaches realized that Abe and Dragon stadium were not a good solution as a home and home flip, so they then agreed upon choosing their own neutral site and flipping for it.

Carroll has the benefit of being located in a large metropolitan area with many large stadiums to choose from. Lufkin does not have that benefit. Why should Lufkin have to choose a stadium that would require them to travel a great amount of distance to play when Carroll can choose a stadium 15 minutes from their campus?
Outlaw is interested in the best interest of his team, when given the opportunity to flip SFA for TX Stadium as a neutral site, he jumped on it. He won the toss and now Carroll has to travel to play Lufkin.

This game, as much as us fans love it, is about the kids, Lufkin as is Carroll is one game away from playing for a state championship, in this situation you give your kids the best opportunity to win as possible. So what if all the fans can not get to see the game , it is not about us, it is about these kids who have been working their rear ends off since January. Lufkin won the flip and got to choose their destination for a neutral site, trust me SFA is a lot better than having to travel to Abe Martin, be glad it was not a home and home flip.

[dragonfootballfan]

West Texas has more oil money than places in East Texas except Gregg County. They can afford to build bigger stadiums. SLC is in Dallas, which is going to have bigger stadiums available. You also have the Cotton Bowl and 3 D1 college stadiums to choose from. All East Texas has is a D1-AA stadium in Nacogdoches that can get more people in than some of the other teams in their conference. That grass will help a lot, but it probably won't seat everybody. One stadium that wasn't mentioned was Independence Stadium in Shreveport. You're not going to find very many neutral stadiums between SLC and Lufkin.
The Mecca of high school football should have a stadium that seats more than 15,000

[farmerfan]

The Mecca of high school football should have a stadium that seats more than 15,000


So why does Dragon stadium only seat 9,500?

[slcfbstar05]

So why does Dragon stadium only seat 9,500?

is dallas the so called mecca of highschool football?

[dragonfootballfan]

Carroll has the benefit of being located in a large metropolitan area with many large stadiums to choose from. Lufkin does not have that benefit. Why should Lufkin have to choose a stadium that would require them to travel a great amount of distance to play when Carroll can choose a stadium 15 minutes from their campus?
Outlaw is interested in the best interest of his team, when given the opportunity to flip SFA for TX Stadium as a neutral site, he jumped on it. He won the toss and now Carroll has to travel to play Lufkin.

I realize that Lufkin did not have to choose a bigger stadium. I know that Carroll has many stadiums near by and Lufkin does not. You are saying that Outlaw made the right decision because he put his team first and tried to put them in the best position to win. I believe that he made an incorrect decision and should have chosen a place that could accomadate all fans and give the schools the best opportunity to make money off of the game. I don't think it would have made a difference in Lufkin's performance if they had chosen a site with more seats, but obviously Outlaw thinks otherwise. I know that they were not required to do this, but I felt that it was the right decision and as the thread title says the more "classy" decision.

[PACK '97]

Look, Outlaw could choose any stadium that he wanted to. He chose SFA. I am saying that the right thing for him to do was to choose a stadium that could accomadate all fans even though he was not required to do so. Carroll put up a stadium big enough to accomadate everyone and Lufkin did not.

In the DFW area there are a few stadiums besides Texas Stadium that are big enough for games this big. There is the stadium at TCU, SMU, UNT, Mesquite Memorial (20k), and many more at 15k.

I agree w/ you DFF...on the fact that SLC picked a stadium that could hold more fans...agreed...but where (home/home flip)?...LP has no other choice but to take SFA as a home flip....honestly, where would you (if you were LP) choose to have the game?...dont want to argue (no reason for it), but what other option do you have if you're Outlaw for a home/home?

[dragonfootballfan]

So why does Dragon stadium only seat 9,500?
did I say that Southlake was the Mecca of football?

[dragonfootballfan]

I agree w/ you DFF...on the fact that SLC picked a stadium that could hold more fans...agreed...but where (home/home flip)?...LP has no other choice but to take SFA as a home flip....honestly, where would you (if you were LP) choose to have the game?...dont want to argue (no reason for it), but what other option do you have if you're Outlaw for a home/home?
If I were Outlaw I would have chosen College Stagion in order to accomadate all fans and try and create the most amount of revenue for my school, while getting Carroll out of their comfort zone by making them travel outside of DFW and making them play on natural grass.

[farmerfan]

did I say that Southlake was the Mecca of football?

when did lufkin or east texas ever say they were the Mecca of football?

[dragonfootballfan]

when did lufkin or east texas ever say they were the Mecca of football?
come on you know all of the east Texas fans try and say how the best football, fan support and anything else comes from eat texas. It was not in this thread, but eventually it will come up.

[farmerfan]

I realize that Lufkin did not have to choose a bigger stadium. I know that Carroll has many stadiums near by and Lufkin does not. You are saying that Outlaw made the right decision because he put his team first and tried to put them in the best position to win. I believe that he made an incorrect decision and should have chosen a place that could accomadate all fans and give the schools the best opportunity to make money off of the game. I don't think it would have made a difference in Lufkin's performance if they had chosen a site with more seats, but obviously Outlaw thinks otherwise. I know that they were not required to do this, but I felt that it was the right decision and as the thread title says the more "classy" decision.


Why should a coach not put his team first? By this point in the season the schools have made plenty of money, however leave it to a southlake fan to bring money into the equation.
Dodge flipped TX Stadium you are defending that flip, that would require a 15 minute bus ride for the dragons. Outlaw choose a similare situation for his players, SFA will require no more than a 20-25 minute bus ride for lufkin. How is it fair for Lufkin to choose a site where they would have to travel regardless, but Carroll can choose a site that only requires them to travel 15 mins max?

I love it how since the fans accomodations are not met it is not "classy", at this point in the season you are in the business of winning football games, not brining in 35,000 for a game.
I just wondere why none of you guys got onto Dodge when he decided to flip for 9,500 Dragon stadium as a home for 15,000 + 2,000 standing room Shotwell when they played Abilene two weeks ago?

Tell me how is it fair to want a team to travel 3hrs to play a game at a so called neutral site aka TX Stadium but not take their offer of Shotwell Stadium?

Dodge could have had this whole situation resolved by agreeing to Kyle Field, I guess 1983 and what the cheating Texas Aggies did to him still gives him nightmares at that place.

[farmerfan]

come on you know all of the east Texas fans try and say how the best football, fan support and anything else comes from eat texas. It was not in this thread, but eventually it will come up.

provide me the evidence.

I love the metroplex and I am cheering for the Dragons and the Trojans this week. However East Texas and its fans have a lot to be proud of in what they have accomplished the last 7-8 years. All they have said is that they are as competitive as any region in the state, and the facts prove that to be very accurate.

[PACK '97]

If I were Outlaw I would have chosen College Stagion in order to accomadate all fans and try and create the most amount of revenue for my school, while getting Carroll out of their comfort zone by making them travel outside of DFW and making them play on natural grass.


i could be wrong...you and i and the rest of the fans were not flipping, but what i heard was Outlaw's choice on neutral sites were A&M and Tyler...b/c Waco was out of the question...have you heard where Dodge wanted to play?...and why Outlaw didnt want to play where Dodge proposed?...if in fact Outlaw chose A&M as a neutral, why would he use that venue as a home?...yes, it would be nice to play where 30-40k could see the game, but the last time i checked...only 65-95 suit up...all thats needed...honestly, DFF...tell me what Outlaw or Dodge should have picked. Why would Outlaw not pick SFA for a home/home toss?...He doesnt care what the fans want, he just wants best for his team....just like Dodge does, except Dodge has the luxury of pleasing the WHOLE CROWD....There will be plenty of seats available at SFA... Longview/LP played last year and had 23k w/ easily 6-9k available on the grass...if not more.

[farmerfan]

i could be wrong...you and i and the rest of the fans were not flipping, but what i heard was Outlaw's choice on neutral sites were A&M and Tyler...b/c Waco was out of the question...have you heard where Dodge wanted to play?...and why Outlaw didnt want to play where Dodge proposed?...if in fact Outlaw chose A&M as a neutral, why would he use that venue as a home?...yes, it would be nice to play where 30-40k could see the game, but the last time i checked...only 65-95 suit up...all thats needed...honestly, DFF...tell me what Outlaw or Dodge should have picked. Why would Outlaw not pick SFA for a home/home toss?...He doesnt care what the fans want, he just wants best for his team....just like Dodge does, except Dodge has the luxury of pleasing the WHOLE CROWD....There will be plenty of seats available at SFA... Longview/LP played last year and had 23k w/ easily 6-9k available on the grass...if not more.

Not to sound all knowing or anything, but if this was a home and home flip it would have been Dragon stadium for Abe. Dodge never flips TX Stadium for a home site, see Arlington 2002 as well as Abilene this year. Tx Stadium was Dodge's choice for SLC neutral site, SFA was Coach Outlaws choice for his neutrla site. Once it was decided that a "neutral site" could not be agreed upon, they went to their choices of neutral sites.

A true home and home would have this game played at the true home stadium of one of these teams.

[dragonfootballfan]

Why should a coach not put his team first? By this point in the season the schools have made plenty of money, however leave it to a southlake fan to bring money into the equation.
Dodge flipped TX Stadium you are defending that flip, that would require a 15 minute bus ride for the dragons. Outlaw choose a similare situation for his players, SFA will require no more than a 20-25 minute bus ride for lufkin. How is it fair for Lufkin to choose a site where they would have to travel regardless, but Carroll can choose a site that only requires them to travel 15 mins max?

I love it how since the fans accomodations are not met it is not "classy", at this point in the season you are in the business of winning football games, not brining in 35,000 for a game.
I just wondere why none of you guys got onto Dodge when he decided to flip for 9,500 Dragon stadium as a home for 15,000 + 2,000 standing room Shotwell when they played Abilene two weeks ago?

Tell me how is it fair to want a team to travel 3hrs to play a game at a so called neutral site aka TX Stadium but not take their offer of Shotwell Stadium?

Dodge could have had this whole situation resolved by agreeing to Kyle Field, I guess 1983 and what the cheating Texas Aggies did to him still gives him nightmares at that place.
I already addressed the Shotwell vs. Dragon Stadium thing by saying too small is too small anyway you slice it. 33,000 fans showed up for that game, Shotwell would not have been able to accomadate that and neither would Dragon Stadium. This is different Texas Stadium could accomadate everyone and SFA cannot.

Outlaw's primary objective is to win football games, but he also has a responsibility to his school and the fans of the game. Not just Lufkin or Carroll fans, but Texas football fans. He did something selfish.

Don't act like money doesn't mean anything. There would probably have been about 30,000 people at this game had it been played at a suitable stadium. There will probably be about 20,000 people in this stadium if they are lucky. That is about 10,000 people less and at $10 a piece that is $100,000 that will be lost that the UIL, Carroll, and Lufkin could have taken.

[dragonfootballfan]

provide me the evidence.

I love the metroplex and I am cheering for the Dragons and the Trojans this week. However East Texas and its fans have a lot to be proud of in what they have accomplished the last 7-8 years. All they have said is that they are as competitive as any region in the state, and the facts prove that to be very accurate.
unfortunatly most of the evidence that I would be able to find happened all during last season when I did not post but read this board. I apologize for not being able to find it, but the board only goes back to April

[dragonfootballfan]

Not to sound all knowing or anything, but if this was a home and home flip it would have been Dragon stadium for Abe. Dodge never flips TX Stadium for a home site, see Arlington 2002 as well as Abilene this year. Tx Stadium was Dodge's choice for SLC neutral site, SFA was Coach Outlaws choice for his neutrla site. Once it was decided that a "neutral site" could not be agreed upon, they went to their choices of neutral sites.

A true home and home would have this game played at the true home stadium of one of these teams.
Not to sound all knowing or anything, but in 2002 there had to be a home and home flip with Arlington because Texas Stadium was already booked because Lubbock Monterey refused to agree to play there a week in advance.

[farmerfan]

unfortunatly most of the evidence that I would be able to find happened all during last season when I did not post but read this board. I apologize for not being able to find it, but the board only goes back to April

Well without evidece, to steal a pharse from yourself, dont say it. Carroll fans are just as passionate and loyal as the east texas fans. The truth remains that the mecca of high school football is in Texas, different regions experience greater success than others, however it usually all balances out.

[dragonfootballfan]

i could be wrong...you and i and the rest of the fans were not flipping, but what i heard was Outlaw's choice on neutral sites were A&M and Tyler...b/c Waco was out of the question...have you heard where Dodge wanted to play?...and why Outlaw didnt want to play where Dodge proposed?...if in fact Outlaw chose A&M as a neutral, why would he use that venue as a home?...yes, it would be nice to play where 30-40k could see the game, but the last time i checked...only 65-95 suit up...all thats needed...honestly, DFF...tell me what Outlaw or Dodge should have picked. Why would Outlaw not pick SFA for a home/home toss?...He doesnt care what the fans want, he just wants best for his team....just like Dodge does, except Dodge has the luxury of pleasing the WHOLE CROWD....There will be plenty of seats available at SFA... Longview/LP played last year and had 23k w/ easily 6-9k available on the grass...if not more.
I told you what I thought each shool should have picked. There will not be 23k at this game because Carroll will not travel that well at all. The average fan only hears that they are playing at a 15,000 seat stadium and would have to get there a few hours early while traveling 3.5 hours to get there. Only the hardcore fans will go.

[farmerfan]

Not to sound all knowing or anything, but in 2002 there had to be a home and home flip with Arlington because Texas Stadium was already booked because Lubbock Monterey refused to agree to play there a week in advance.

I don't follow, Monterey was out of the playoffs by that stage in the season, how could TX Stadium not have been agreed upon?

[farmerfan]

I already addressed the Shotwell vs. Dragon Stadium thing by saying too small is too small anyway you slice it. 33,000 fans showed up for that game, Shotwell would not have been able to accomadate that and neither would Dragon Stadium. This is different Texas Stadium could accomadate everyone and SFA cannot.

Outlaw's primary objective is to win football games, but he also has a responsibility to his school and the fans of the game. Not just Lufkin or Carroll fans, but Texas football fans. He did something selfish.

Don't act like money doesn't mean anything. There would probably have been about 30,000 people at this game had it been played at a suitable stadium. There will probably be about 20,000 people in this stadium if they are lucky. That is about 10,000 people less and at $10 a piece that is $100,000 that will be lost that the UIL, Carroll, and Lufkin could have taken.

So why offer Dragon stadium then? Shotwell is obviously bigger.
Warren offered Shotwell because he thought the Dragons would offer TX Stadium in a flip. They told him they would not and their home site would be Dragon stadium, tell me what is the difference in Dragon stadium and TX Stadium other than 15 mins on a bus?

How is he being selfish by putting his team first, Dodge would do the same thing if he was in his situation, you do not offer a stadium where you have to travel if the opposing team is offering a stadium where they only have to travel 15 mins. To me that is being selfish in expecting one team to go out of their way to do something, but you are not willing to do the same thing.

[dragonfootballfan]

I don't follow, Monterey was out of the playoffs by that stage in the season, how could TX Stadium not have been agreed upon?
There were a lot of teams that wanted to play in Texas stadium and in order for the teams to reserve a slot all four teams that could have been playing in that game had to agree before their game had taken place or else their slot would have been given up. Monterey who was playing Arlington that week, refused to play there and so the teams were unable to reserve their spot

[dragonfootballfan]

So why offer Dragon stadium then? Shotwell is obviously bigger.
Warren offered Shotwell because he thought the Dragons would offer TX Stadium in a flip. They told him they would not and their home site would be Dragon stadium, tell me what is the difference in Dragon stadium and TX Stadium other than 15 mins on a bus?

Could Shotwell hold 33,000 people? Too small is too small regardless of the size. Shotwell could not hold all of the fans that wanted to see the agame and neither could Dragon Stadium.

How is he being selfish by putting his team first, Dodge would do the same thing if he was in his situation, you do not offer a stadium where you have to travel if the opposing team is offering a stadium where they only have to travel 15 mins. To me that is being selfish in expecting one team to go out of their way to do something, but you are not willing to do the same thing.
Dodge could have chosen any site. He chose Texas stadium, not only because its proximity to Southlake, but because it could accomadate all of the fans. Outlaw chose SFA only because of its proximity to Lufkin and disregarded the fans, school districts, and the UIL's best interests to whom he still has responsibilities.

[farmerfan]

There were a lot of teams that wanted to play in Texas stadium and in order for the teams to reserve a slot all four teams that could have been playing in that game had to agree before their game had taken place or else their slot would have been given up. Monterey who was playing Arlington that week, refused to play there and so the teams were unable to reserve their spot


well the way it works at TX Stadium is when a team has a spot reserved for the next week and loses, they forfeit that spot to the team who beat them. So when Arlington beat Monterey, Arlington gained Montereys sport for the time slot in TX Stadium. Now something happend and plenty of Arlington and Texas HS football fans were deprived the opportunity to witness that game. But since it was at Dragon Stadium I guess it was acceptable.

[PACK '97]

"Outlaw's primary objective is to win football games, but he also has a responsibility to his school and the fans of the game. Not just Lufkin or Carroll fans, but Texas football fans. He did something selfish"

Honestly, i dont know who picked what for neutral sites (to the tee), but dont say Outlaw is selfish (you sound like the SLC radio guys)...Dodge/Outlaw flipped (thats all we know)...Outlaw's and Dodge's responsiblity is to win games and continue to win playoff games in route to the State Championship...i guarantee you, before they flipped, Outlaw/Dodge knew what home/home was...if Dodge didnt like it, then he would have not flipped...Whats done is done, but dont dare say Outlaw is selfish...he will have his fans there (b/c he won the flip)...just like SLC would have more fans if they had won....and if SLC doesnt travel well....not our fault...we travel wherever the game is...if you dont want to watch the game...save yourself a 11 hour expedition to SFA and stay in the metroplex and listen to it on the radio.

[dragonfootballfan]

well the way it works at TX Stadium is when a team has a spot reserved for the next week and loses, they forfeit that spot to the team who beat them. So when Arlington beat Monterey, Arlington gained Montereys sport for the time slot in TX Stadium. Now something happend and plenty of Arlington and Texas HS football fans were deprived the opportunity to witness that game. But since it was at Dragon Stadium I guess it was acceptable.
I don't think that you understand. All of the slots for Texas Stadium were reserved before Arlington and Carroll could choose that site. They could not do anything about it.

They decided to flip home and home. Arlington's stadium could not fit much more people than Carroll's stadium could. There is a difference between that and flipping neutral sites and putting up a site that will not be able to accomadate all fans.

[dragonfootballfan]

Honestly, i dont know who picked what for neutral sites (to the tee), but dont say Outlaw is selfish (you sound like the SLC radio guys)...Dodge/Outlaw flipped (thats all we know)...Outlaw's and Dodge's responsiblity is to win games and continue to win playoff games in route to the State Championship...i guarantee you, before they flipped, Outlaw/Dodge knew what home/home was...if Dodge didnt like it, then he would have not flipped...Whats done is done, but dont dare say Outlaw is selfish...he will have his fans there (b/c he won the flip)...just like SLC would have more fans if they had won....and if SLC doesnt travel well....not our fault...we travel wherever the game is...if you dont want to watch the game...save yourself a 11 hour expedition to SFA and stay in the metroplex and listen to it on the radio.
So coach Outlaw did not choose SFA because it was the best for him while disregarding everyone else i.e. fans, school districts, UIL?

[PACK '97]

So coach Outlaw did not choose SFA because it was the best for him while disregarding everyone else i.e. fans, school districts, UIL?

i cant answer that question...only Dodge/Outlaw know the answer to that...the only thing i know is both coaches want their team to win...and they both knew what sites were pre-determined prior to the flip...if Dodge would have won...LP would have had to drive 3.5 hrs to the game in Dallas...just like SLC's situation now...i guantee that if a SLC fan wants to see the game, they will be there....no one is going to deny them the oppurtunity to walk in the gate.

[farmerfan]

I don't think that you understand. All of the slots for Texas Stadium were reserved before Arlington and Carroll could choose that site. They could not do anything about it.

They decided to flip home and home. Arlington's stadium could not fit much more people than Carroll's stadium could. There is a difference between that and flipping neutral sites and putting up a site that will not be able to accomadate all fans.


I understand perfectly, you said Monterey had TX Stadium reseved, but when they lost to Arlington they forfeited that spot. However many nuetral sites could have been determined, why not play the game at Amon Carter? or Clark Field in FT Worth?
Also Arlington's home stadium seats about 5,500 more than Carroll's stadium so in essence if the crowd was a factor to Dodge like it should be to Outlaw then he should have agreed to play there.

[dragonfootballfan]

i cant answer that question...only Dodge/Outlaw know the answer to that...the only thing i know is both coaches want their team to win...and they both knew what sites were pre-determined prior to the flip...if Dodge would have won...[/b]LP would have had to drive 3.5 hrs to the game in Dallas...just like SLC's situation now[/b]...i guantee that if a SLC fan wants to see the game, they will be there....no one is going to deny them the oppurtunity to walk in the gate.
No a LP fan's situation would not be like a Carroll fan's situation. A carroll has to get to the stadium 1-2 hours before game time and still may be forced to sit on a grassy hill and it may rain making it impossible to sit there. Many Carroll fans may not show up because it will take an entire day and they may not get a seat. A Panther fan would just have to show up at game time and they would be garaunteed a seat. See the difference.

[dragonfootballfan]

I understand perfectly, you said Monterey had TX Stadium reseved, but when they lost to Arlington they forfeited that spot. However many nuetral sites could have been determined, why not play the game at Amon Carter? or Clark Field in FT Worth?
Also Arlington's home stadium seats about 5,500 more than Carroll's stadium so in essence if the crowd was a factor to Dodge like it should be to Outlaw then he should have agreed to play there.
Monterey never reserved Texas Stadium and thus all of the schools involved lost the ability to reserve it as all of the spots were taken. It was a home and home flip and home fields were chosen not neutral fields. If neutral fields were chosen then Dodge would have to consider everyone's options. Home and home is just that. Dodge could not say wait our stadium seats less people lets go buy a new stadium in order to make it fair. If it were for neutral sites one could have been picked from anywhere.

[farmerfan]

No a LP fan's situation would not be like a Carroll fan's situation. A carroll has to get to the stadium 1-2 hours before game time and still may be forced to sit on a grassy hill and it may rain making it impossible to sit there. Many Carroll fans may not show up because it will take an entire day and they may not get a seat. A Panther fan would just have to show up at game time and they would be garaunteed a seat. See the difference.

man this is sad. you have to go to opposing teams stadium, what is the diffrerence in this and Lubbock Montery in 2003? You knew then that their stadium could only seat 15,000, but now it is different? why? is it because you are playing a undefeated team? sounds like you as a fan are scared or worried. This is what championship teams are made of is going oin the road and agaisnt the odds to win a game, is it fair that Texas fans only go allocated 10,000 tickets to Ohio State when they could have easily sold 25-30,000? no it is the deal agreed upon, I promise you that parents and family of the kids will get to see this game, as fans we will just have to suffer knowing that the coaches put the best interest of their players before the fans. God forbid they do that.

[dragonfootballfan]

man this is sad. you have to go to opposing teams stadium, what is the diffrerence in this and Lubbock Montery in 2003? You knew then that their stadium could only seat 15,000, but now it is different? why? is it because you are playing a undefeated team? sounds like you as a fan are scared or worried. This is what championship teams are made of is going oin the road and agaisnt the odds to win a game, is it fair that Texas fans only go allocated 10,000 tickets to Ohio State when they could have easily sold 25-30,000? no it is the deal agreed upon, I promise you that parents and family of the kids will get to see this game, as fans we will just have to suffer knowing that the coaches put the best interest of their players before the fans. God forbid they do that.
SFA != Texas Stadium. That is my point.

[farmerfan]

Monterey never reserved Texas Stadium and thus all of the schools involved lost the ability to reserve it as all of the spots were taken. It was a home and home flip and home fields were chosen not neutral fields. If neutral fields were chosen then Dodge would have to consider everyone's options. Home and home is just that. Dodge could not say wait our stadium seats less people lets go buy a new stadium in order to make it fair. If it were for neutral sites one could have been picked from anywhere.


and neutral sites have to be agreed upon by both coaches. It was obvious that Dodge could not agree on Kyle field so that forced the coaches to either go home and home or their own neutral sties. Dodge chose his neutral site as TX Stadium and Outlaw chose his as SFA, what is wrong with that. Once again you are luky it is at SFA and not Abe Martin, if it would have gone home and home the Dragon fans would be lucky to have 3,000 there, at least noth get access to 7,000 apeice.

[dragonfootballfan]

and neutral sites have to be agreed upon by both coaches. It was obvious that Dodge could not agree on Kyle field so that forced the coaches to either go home and home or their own neutral sties. Dodge chose his neutral site as TX Stadium and Outlaw chose his as SFA, what is wrong with that. Once again you are luky it is at SFA and not Abe Martin, if it would have gone home and home the Dragon fans would be lucky to have 3,000 there, at least noth get access to 7,000 apeice.
see my above post

[farmerfan]

SFA != Texas Stadium. That is my point.

For Lufkin it does.
You have not answered one of my questions yet. Why should Lufkin put up a spot that woule require them to travel a great distance when Carroll can put up a spot that only requires them to travel 15 mins? Shouldnt Carrolls so called neutral site have required them to travel the same distance as Lufkins? In this case they are both fair, who cares that we might not get to see the game, it is about the players and that is all that matters, and coach outlaw made sure his kids were given a fair shake in this whole deal.

[farmerfan]

SFA != Texas Stadium. That is my point.

then what is the argument about. It seems as if you are finally agreeing that SFA is fair to Lufkin as TX Stadium is to Carroll. If not i'll quit drinking right now considering i have had to many, but have at least stayed on course.

[dragonfootballfan]

For Lufkin it does.
You have not answered one of my questions yet. Why should Lufkin put up a spot that woule require them to travel a great distance when Carroll can put up a spot that only requires them to travel 15 mins? Shouldnt Carrolls so called neutral site have required them to travel the same distance as Lufkins? In this case they are both fair, who cares that we might not get to see the game, it is about the players and that is all that matters, and coach outlaw made sure his kids were given a fair shake in this whole deal.
they were flipping for a stadium of their choice. Luckily for Carroll there was a stadium that could accomadate fans and travel close by. For a Lufkin a decision had to be made and Outlaw chose travel. I think he made the wrong choice. You think he made the right choice.

He shortchanged his players as well. When will most of the panthers get another opportunity to play in front of 30k people?

[dragonfootballfan]

then what is the argument about. It seems as if you are finally agreeing that SFA is fair to Lufkin as TX Stadium is to Carroll. If not i'll quit drinking right now considering i have had to many, but have at least stayed on course.
what I said in that post is that SFA is not an equally neutral site as Texas Stadium

[PACK '97]

then what is the argument about. It seems as if you are finally agreeing that SFA is fair to Lufkin as TX Stadium is to Carroll. If not i'll quit drinking right now considering i have had to many, but have at least stayed on course.

Farmer...you're my new found friend...i lived in Denton for 4 years going to school in '00-'04...great town...you live there and work now and/or did you go to UNT like i did?...maybe we know each other if you were a student...let me know.

[Primetime536]

damn does this board ever sleep?

I think lufkin has as much class as anyone in the state, their band on the otherhand, ha, not so much.

"whos your daddy", i chanted this at the lp band this week, they got pritty mad.

[PACK '97]

they were flipping for a stadium of their choice. Luckily for Carroll there was a stadium that could accomadate fans and travel close by. For a Lufkin a decision had to be made and Outlaw chose travel. I think he made the wrong choice. You think he made the right choice.

He shortchanged his players as well. When will most of the panthers get another opportunity to play in front of 30k people?


Bottomline DFF...for home/home flip...what would you choose (from a LP standpoint) for a home field advantage?

[PACK '97]

damn does this board ever sleep?

I think lufkin has as much class as anyone in the state, their band on the otherhand, ha, not so much.

"whos your daddy", i chanted this at the lp band this week, they got pritty mad.


i respect you PRIME...dont think the Band's actions (even though i dont think they were that disrespectful...you had a vendetta (spelling) from the beginning) are the way LP shows itself...we think your team and Cove's team are very good and the program/fans are very enthusiastic...all but respect for the CENTEX teams!!

[dragonfootballfan]

Bottomline DFF...for home/home flip...what would you choose (from a LP standpoint) for a home field advantage?
first of all this was a neutral vs. neutral flip and I already explained why I would have chosen collie station for that. If it were home and home, Lufkin would have to choose their homefield

[farmerfan]

they were flipping for a stadium of their choice. Luckily for Carroll there was a stadium that could accomadate fans and travel close by. For a Lufkin a decision had to be made and Outlaw chose travel. I think he made the wrong choice. You think he made the right choice.

He shortchanged his players as well. When will most of the panthers get another opportunity to play in front of 30k people?


He did make the right choice, a neutral site was offered when Kyle Field was brought up. Dodge rejected that, by doing that it forced this into a home and home flip or a a flip for one coaches neutral prefrence. Dodge lost the flip. Had home and home been decided Dodge would have flipped Dragon stadium, instead they went the neutral route, by doing that Outlaw got to choose SFA while Dodge got to choose TX Stadium. Despite what you may think, TX Stadium is not a home site choosen for SLC, it is clearly a neutral site option. The size of the stadium does not matter one bit, the only thing that does is which team plays the best game and executes their game plan and is fortunate enough to move on to the state finals.

[dragonfootballfan]

He did make the right choice, a neutral site was offered when Kyle Field was brought up. Dodge rejected that, by doing that it forced this into a home and home flip or a a flip for one coaches neutral prefrence. Dodge lost the flip. Had home and home been decided Dodge would have flipped Dragon stadium, instead they went the neutral route, by doing that Outlaw got to choose SFA while Dodge got to choose TX Stadium. Despite what you may think, TX Stadium is not a home site choosen for SLC, it is clearly a neutral site option. The size of the stadium does not matter one bit, the only thing that does is which team plays the best game and executes their game plan and is fortunate enough to move on to the state finals.
This is where you and I disagree. The size most certainly matters. Because of how small this stadium is both school districts and the UIL will lose thousands of dollars. There also will not be enough room for all of the fans that want to see the game. What makes football in Texas different from everywhere else is a lot more people care about it and by choosing such a small site Lufkin is disregarding all of the people that make Texas football what it is.

[PACK '97]

He did make the right choice, a neutral site was offered when Kyle Field was brought up. Dodge rejected that, by doing that it forced this into a home and home flip or a a flip for one coaches neutral prefrence. Dodge lost the flip. Had home and home been decided Dodge would have flipped Dragon stadium, instead they went the neutral route, by doing that Outlaw got to choose SFA while Dodge got to choose TX Stadium. Despite what you may think, TX Stadium is not a home site choosen for SLC, it is clearly a neutral site option. The size of the stadium does not matter one bit, the only thing that does is which team plays the best game and executes their game plan and is fortunate enough to move on to the state finals.

agreed....go ask Dodge why he didnt want Kyle field...if he didnt like the venue, what venue did he ask for?...stop (DFF) saying Outlaw was the one that didnt want all of 30k to show up...i guarantee you, 30k will be available at SFA...stop saying it wont...i respect you and the dragons 100%, but dont put the blame on Outlaw for winning a flip...he gave choices, and was denied by Dodge....last time i bring this up...we agree to disagree, but good thing is, we still respect each other as fans and both the programs...just please dont call Outlaw out for winning a freaking h.s. flip...(keep in mind, if Dodge didnt agree to the flip prior to the toss, he wouldnt have agreed to it)

[farmerfan]

This is where you and I disagree. The size most certainly matters. Because of how small this stadium is both school districts and the UIL will lose thousands of dollars. There also will not be enough room for all of the fans that want to see the game. What makes football in Texas different from everywhere else is a lot more people care about it and by choosing such a small site Lufkin is disregarding all of the people that make Texas football what it is.


hey man its coole we disagree, that is why you are one of my favorites to discuss things with. You are civilized in your way of arguing and that is why I feel you add a lot to this board. Like you said we disagree on the reasoning but one area I think you will most defintely agree with me on is my desire to see metroplex teams succeed. I am pulling for the Dragons in this game. I have spoken with Riley Dodge and #44 I should know his name by now but I dont, forgive me please :), they usually sit with the Jacobsons in their box after yalls games at TX Stadium. Those kids are great kids and very respectfull, I actually had to tell #44 not to call me sir, but he refused. Your team shows great character on the field and conducts themselves in a very classy manner. That is why I have a hard time dealing with these so called high school football fans that come to TX Stadium wishing for a dragon defeat. Trust me when I say this, my respect for the dragons is amongst any team I have ever seen play and I wish you guys nothing but the best this week. I will end this by telling you what I told the Trinity fans in another thread, bring it home for yourselves as well as the metroplex.

[dragonfootballfan]

agreed....go ask Dodge why he didnt want Kyle field...if he didnt like the venue, what venue did he ask for?...stop (DFF) saying Outlaw was the one that didnt want all of 30k to show up
Dodge is not responsible for the site of SFA to be chosen. He turned down Kyle Field. That does not mean that he did not want fans to go to the game because the stadium he proposed could get everyone in and a seat something that Outlaw did not take into consideration when making his choice of stadium. Did somebody force Outlaw to choose a stadium that seats 15,000 people?
...i guarantee you, 30k will be available at SFA...stop saying it wont...
The stadium seats about 15,500 people. I don't know about you, but If I were a casual fan I would not drive 3.5 hours to a stadium where I was not going to get a seat and my be forced to sit in the grass. If there was a chance of rain I would definitely not be going if I were a casual fan.
i respect you and the dragons 100%, but dont put the blame on Outlaw for winning a flip...Once again, Outlaw won and could have chose whatever neutral site he wanted. There were no rules that restricted his choice like the venue must have X number of seats. He had every right to do what he did. What I am saying is what he did was not the courteous thing. Just because something is not against the rules, it does not make it right.

[dragonfootballfan]

hey man its coole we disagree, that is why you are one of my favorites to discuss things with. You are civilized in your way of arguing and that is why I feel you add a lot to this board. Like you said we disagree on the reasoning but one area I think you will most defintely agree with me on is my desire to see metroplex teams succeed. I am pulling for the Dragons in this game. I have spoken with Riley Dodge and #44 I should know his name by now but I dont, forgive me please :), they usually sit with the Jacobsons in their box after yalls games at TX Stadium. Those kids are great kids and very respectfull, I actually had to tell #44 not to call me sir, but he refused. Your team shows great character on the field and conducts themselves in a very classy manner. That is why I have a hard time dealing with these so called high school football fans that come to TX Stadium wishing for a dragon defeat. Trust me when I say this, my respect for the dragons is amongst any team I have ever seen play and I wish you guys nothing but the best this week. I will end this by telling you what I told the Trinity fans in another thread, bring it home for yourselves as well as the metroplex.Nothing but respect to you. I enjoy our conversations on the board and very rarely does it get personal or out of line. I would like to say the same to Pack 97. I don't know if there are many people on the board or that I know that could have conversation stay on topic and not get heated. Everyone stayed cool. And I know this is way off topic, but even though I have done my fair share of dogging Trinity this year I am rooting for them big time this weekend. I am going to be in the Austin area this weekend (I have to travel a lot and thus miss a lot of Dragon games especially when they are on Saturdays) and I am debating whether to fight the crowds at Round Rock (don't get me started on that choice) or just watch it on TV with Carroll vs. LP on in the background.

[PACK '97]

Dodge is not responsible for the site of SFA to be chosen. He turned down Kyle Field. That does not mean that he did not want fans to go to the game because the stadium he proposed could get everyone in and a seat something that Outlaw did not take into consideration when making his choice of stadium. Did somebody force Outlaw to choose a stadium that seats 15,000 people?

The stadium seats about 15,500 people. I don't know about you, but If I were a casual fan I would not drive 3.5 hours to a stadium where I was not going to get a seat and my be forced to sit in the grass. If there was a chance of rain I would definitely not be going if I were a casual fan.
Once again, Outlaw won and could have chose whatever neutral site he wanted. There were no rules that restricted his choice like the venue must have X number of seats. He had every right to do what he did. What I am saying is what he did was not the courteous thing. Just because something is not against the rules, it does not make it right.

for the last time...SFA can hold 25-30k...PERIOD...i seriously doubt the way you are talking that SLC wont show up b/c of the long drive into ET that most of you have never been to...again, i state (SLC=TS...LP=SFA) where would you pick the site for LP?...if you can tell me a neutral site besides tyler and A&M....let me know...b/c we shall use it in the future....im getting very tired of your accusations that Outlaw is the cause of this...BEFORE the flip, both DODGE/OUTLAW know the outcome pending who wins the flip, right?...You are very respectful poster on this site, but the more you talk about Outlaw doesnt consider the fans..blah, blah, blah...where in the hell would you play if you were him?....if anyone, blame dodge for not playing at A&M...period...Why on Earth would you blame a coach for winning the toss and choosing to play in their backyard (just like TS for you)...and i know your comeback will say this, "but Outlaw is selfish and wont play where my fans wanna play. Since he won the toss, you'd think he would be gracious to play wherever is acceptable to me...blah, blah, blah"

[farmerfan]

Nothing but respect to you. I enjoy our conversations on the board and very rarely does it get personal or out of line. I would like to say the same to Pack 97. I don't know if there are many people on the board or that I know that could have conversation stay on topic and not get heated. Everyone stayed cool. And I know this is way off topic, but even though I have done my fair share of dogging Trinity this year I am rooting for them big time this weekend. I am going to be in the Austin area this weekend (I have to travel a lot and thus miss a lot of Dragon games especially when they are on Saturdays) and I am debating whether to fight the crowds at Round Rock (don't get me started on that choice) or just watch it on TV with Carroll vs. LP on in the background.

i just have to add this, if the Trojans win this week, are they still underrated in your book? I have seen them 4x since the SGP game, and I can honestly say they are much better now. SGP was the best thing to happen to Trinity in my book, for them it took a loss just like for Carroll it took a close game agaisnt Grapevine. I just hope by christmas the metroplex can lay claim to the best area of 5A football for a year.

[PACK '97]

"I would like to say the same to Pack 97"


DFF

why do you not respect my posts about this subject....We agree to disagree. I'm not calling you out, just discussin the matter.

[farmerfan]

"I would like to say the same to Pack 97"


DFF

why do you not respect my posts about this subject....We agree to disagree. I'm not calling you out, just discussin the matter.


re-read it pack, he gave you respect and your ability to make this a civilized conversation.

[dragonfootballfan]

Bottomline Outlaw won the flip and chose a stadium that cannot accomadate the fans in a reasonable manner (fitting 25-30k in a 15,500 seat stadium is not reasonable). Dodge had nothing to with making Outlaw choose that stadium. Had Dodge won the flip there would have been plenty of room for any and all fans to see the game. Outlaw won the flip and there is not enough room for all the fans. Why is Dodge's fault that Outlaw did not choose a site that can fit all of the fans?

[dragonfootballfan]

i just have to add this, if the Trojans win this week, are they still underrated in your book? I have seen them 4x since the SGP game, and I can honestly say they are much better now. SGP was the best thing to happen to Trinity in my book, for them it took a loss just like for Carroll it took a close game agaisnt Grapevine. I just hope by christmas the metroplex can lay claim to the best area of 5A football for a year.
If they win they will not have been overrated, but if they lose and finish up with two losses, but a state championship appearance it will be tough to call. It also depends on what I am comparing this Trinity team to. If it is what most reasonable people have said where they should be somewhere in the 4-7 range of ranked teams, they are already there. If it was the all-world greatest team ever, they will never get there.

[dragonfootballfan]

"I would like to say the same to Pack 97"


DFF

why do you not respect my posts about this subject....We agree to disagree. I'm not calling you out, just discussin the matter.
I apologize if my words were misconstrued. I give a lot of respect to you Pack 97. I have enjoyed our conversation and I apologize if that comment struck you wrong and after rereading my post I can see how I was ambiguous.

[PACK '97]

Bottomline Outlaw won the flip and chose a stadium that cannot accomadate the fans in a reasonable manner (fitting 25-30k in a 15,500 seat stadium is not reasonable). Dodge had nothing to with making Outlaw choose that stadium. Had Dodge won the flip there would have been plenty of room for any and all fans to see the game. Outlaw won the flip and there is not enough room for all the fans. Why is Dodge's fault that Outlaw did not choose a site that can fit all of the fans?

for my last stmt...i overreacted..you gave me cred and i appreciate it...thank you and same goes to you.

obviously, Outlaw won the flip...if you were Outlaw after you won, where would you have chosen the venue?...Seriously, there is no other bigger stadium in the area. If SLC would have one (granted TS can hold everyone, but LP still would drive 3.5 hrs) you would have picked TS...if you were Outlaw and one the flip...what venue would you have chosen?...and yes, 14,500 is SFA seating, but im telling you, it can hold 30k if needed...I wish we had another venue to go to, but there is no other.

[dragonfootballfan]

for my last stmt...i overreacted..you gave me cred and i appreciate it...thank you and same goes to you.

obviously, Outlaw won the flip...if you were Outlaw after you won, where would you have chosen the venue?...Seriously, there is no other bigger stadium in the area. If SLC would have one (granted TS can hold everyone, but LP still would drive 3.5 hrs) you would have picked TS...if you were Outlaw and one the flip...what venue would you have chosen?...and yes, 14,500 is SFA seating, but im telling you, it can hold 30k if needed...I wish we had another venue to go to, but there is no other.
I told you that I would have chosen College Station. Outlaw didn't and the reason this is a hot issue, is because the decision is not easy. Outlaw would have had to make atleast one side of the argument upset. I would not want to switch places with him for this decision.

[PACK '97]

I told you that I would have chosen College Station. Outlaw didn't and the reason this is a hot issue, is because the decision is not easy. Outlaw would have had to make atleast one side of the argument upset. I would not want to switch places with him for this decision.

fair enough...lets put this discussion aside...LP/SLC has been my favorite game to go to the last 2 of 3 years...Both sides have much respect for the other...DFF, you gonna make it to ET this weekend?...if so, be careful along with all the fans (i live in dallas myself...heading down friday night, coming back after the game saturday).

Nothing we can do about the venue...its going to be awesome though, 2 great programs going at it again!!!

[packfan75]

For some reason Dodge did not think that the College Station site was neutral. It is not the location of the stadium, but the quality and the size of the stadium that is unsettling for the Carroll fans. The fans, coaches and players deserve to play in better facilities in the fifth round of the playoffs. In 2002 Carroll did not travel anywhere near as well as they do now for varying reasons. If Dodge had put up Dragon stadium and won the toss the Lufkin fans would have been just as upset as Dragon fans.

Well this is ridiculous. First of all, you do *not* deserve anything except your place in the semifinals. You earned that. You did not earn any special favors regarding a facility. Secondly, Lufkin would not have been at all upset if Dodge had put up Dragon stadium. Lufkinites don't have an attitude of entitlement that seems to be coming from *some* SLC posters. The panther fans would have just packed up the car and made the trip. Period.

I am new here - just found this board a couple of days ago. I have been reading for hours the last couple of days trying to catch up on everything that has been said. Most of the SLC fans are like most of the LP fans - gracious and cautious about this upcoming game. Some fans on both sides need to be brought down a notch or two, however.

Be grateful you live in Texas where they REALLY know how to play high school football. I am now living in Ohio where they THINK they know how to play. They're pretty good here, but nothing like high school football in Texas. The large schools here have stadiums that hold 2500 fans in some cases. There are very few stadiums that are comparable to what we have an abundance of in Texas.

[lpantherfan]

I find it interesting that no one is complaining about the size of the venue for the Katy-Smithson Valley game. That game is being held at a stadium that holds 15,000 and doesn't have near as much grass seating as SFA. Furthermore, SFA holds more than Waco ISD where Lufkin-SLC played each other in 2002.

Both Coach Outlaw and Coach Dodge made decisions (or lack of) about nuetral fields or home/home flip based on what was best for their TEAM. And that's who they should be worried about. In a home/home flip, each team can designate a home field. They do not have to choose their own home stadium. That's why there were two flips when we played South Garland. First flip to decide if we would flip between neutral or home sites. Home sites won and then the flip was SFA or Texas Stadium. (If neutral sites had won, the second flip would have been Waco ISD or Tyler's Rose Stadium). The designated home sites are selected by each coach before the flip. To say that Lufkin should be "forced" to make Kyle field their "home" site is ludicrous. 150 miles away from your campus is not the definiton of "home". The coaches of these two teams could not agree on a neutral site. If Coach Dodge wanted to make sure that his team played in a stadium that held 50,000, he could have agreed to play at Kyle Field. However, he chose to take the chance of playing in Nacogdoches to avoid playing on grass at Kyle Field. He put the best interest of his TEAM before the fans in his decision-making as it should be. I can assure you that Lufkin would not complain if the situation were reversed. A dedicated SLC fan should trust that Coach Dodge made the best decision for the sake of his TEAM and quit blaming Coach Outlaw.

Learn from the Smithson-Valley people who are not complaining about 15,000 capacity at their venue and just go to the game and enjoy what I hope is a great contest!!!

[panthergrad]

I find it interesting that no one is complaining about the size of the venue for the Katy-Smithson Valley game.
Or the Trinity/Judson game. Round Rock holds what? 12K? And this is a title game? I know its just the D1 title but a title none the less.

[pantherfootballfan]

I think lufkin has as much class as anyone in the state, their band on the otherhand, ha, not so much.

"whos your daddy", i chanted this at the lp band this week, they got pritty mad.

Primetime, you and I get along pretty well, so please don't think I'm trying to bash you or your statements. The thing is, you're wrong about something in your statement, and I am merely attempting to correct the error in the event that another person has the same view as you do.

The Lufkin band, actually, does have class, and a lot of it. As I have said before, if you deem a whole organization "classless" because of a select group of people, then there is a chance that you could be mistaken. In this case, I believe that you are mistaken; not everyone in the band chose to participate in the controversial chant, and a lot of band members thought it disrespectful as well as you did.

Also, if you're going to chant to people in the LHS Band, please make sure and find the people who started or condone the chant, because the rest of us did not have anything to do with it.

Thank you for your time, and your team was awesome and had a lot of class. Again, my intention is not to offend you; I am just trying to clear some things up. Have a great week, everyone.

[TrojanWebman]

I find it interesting that no one is complaining about the size of the venue for the Katy-Smithson Valley game. That game is being held at a stadium that holds 15,000 and doesn't have near as much grass seating as SFA. Furthermore, SFA holds more than Waco ISD where Lufkin-SLC played each other in 2002.


We played our D1 SEMI-FINAL game yesterday in a stadium that holds 12,000. Neither team suffured from a lack of seating. We didn't complain before the game about the size of this stadium nor should we have. Problem? What problem?

We will play our D1 STATE FINALS game in a stadium that holds 11,000. I don't hear anyone complaining about that either. I expect the stadium to be full but I don't expect a problem. It's an away game and the crowd will be much smaller.

Maybe we are just different. We are excited to be watching our team still play some great football. We don't feel a need to expect special considerations for our huge following of fans. Yea, IF we were playing in the DFW metroplex we would need something bigger than 14,500 seats because a great deal of the millions who reside in the metroplex would come and support us even though they might not call themselves Trinity fans. On an away game several hours away, 14,500 might be fine for our needs. We are in the state finals. We don't mind getting to the game early to get the best seats.

My 2 cents.

[my3sons]

How much more can this topic be discussed and cussed? Lufkin won the flip, Southlake Carroll will win the game. Which is more important? We'll see the Lufkin Panthers faithful turnout with a good showing. SLC fans won't be a plentiful, but won't have to be to make a decent showing. SLC will score early and take the Lufkin fandom out of the game. Final: SLC 42 Lufkin 28. SLC meets Katy in the state finals.

[Panther~Pride*Dancer07]

LUFKIN HAS no class...they used their band and everything else they had to win and rubbed it in coves face...im not surprised they rubbed the win in the knights face when they barely won...and look at all them on here on the forums getting defensive...but thats alright...its gonna be a good warmup for us to go to state..LUFKIN+NO STARTIN QB+SLC= A BIG *** WHOOPIN AND A SAD SAD BUS TRIP HOME..


:D GO DRAGONS!:D


DANG!!!!!!! GET OVER US NOT HAVING OUR STAR QB!!!! :mad: Unlike some skools around Texas, our backup is actually really good. Ralph is just as good as Jeremy if not better. The only problem is he hasn't had playoff experience as the qb. Don't worry though, durin practice this week he will get where he needs 2!

[PantherStang84]

Dancer07 you are absolutely right. Ralph will be just fine as the QB. He is actually a better athlete than JC. I will miss him as a WR though. I have been saying for weeks now, this Lufkin team plays more as a team than any other Lufkin team in recent history (including 2001). The kids just believe in each other. Claybon will be the biggest cheerleader on the sideline this Saturday. Heck. Doc couldn't even keep him in the locker room Friday!

This is going to be a long week. I'm so excited!

[Packattack94]

yeah of course...if i was at another school i would be in on their chant too...but these are "ifs"...i know ill be chantin at our next game

panzy panthers 0 SLC Dragons 34

hahahahahahaa:D

What is the difference in what the band SUPPOSEDLY played and you on this forum? Class, I don't think so:p

[JoeC]

Can I add my 2-cents? Hello-lo!! Let's get real. This is not about the band. It's not about the size of the stadium (come on be truthful, if this game was at SLC I seriously doubt if they'd be complaining). It's not that East Texas is the Mecca of Texas high school football (oh contraire); nor is ET a fraud. This is about playing in East Texas (period)!!!! There is this air of invincibility about East Texas Football (there was an ET representative in every classification last season [I believe] except class 1A)- for a long time now, the record stands for itself - Good to Great teams lose when playing in East Texas - the list is long and includes many great Texas programs. Most other Texas teams/programs have a fear of being surrounded by pine trees. Please go back and check the records, teams from East Texas have traveled to the DFW area (and across this state far and wide) an imbalanced number of times just to play formidable opponents. How many DFW teams or any other part of Texas can say that they have ventured into East Texas? Sure, they use excuses like the size of the stadiums; but let the truth be known, nobody really wants to schedule a game down under. I’ve said it before; we (ET) does not get a fair shot when it comes to scheduling big games in this State. For us – it’s common knowledge; the East Texas area is the Rodney Daingerfield of Texas football. As far as I am concerned, historically speaking - since there has been such a large disparity in big game locations, I feel that a resolution should be passed that for the next ten years (if not more), all big playoff games should be played in East Texas. By the way, what are you belly aching about anyway; SLC must come to East Texas and LP will be without their staring QB. Doesn’t that make it even? Or does it?

[JoeC]

Can I add my 2-cents? Hello-lo!! Let's get real. This is not about the band. It's not about the size of the stadium (come on be truthful, if this game was at SLC I seriously doubt if they'd be complaining). It's not that East Texas is the Mecca of Texas high school football (oh contraire); nor is ET a fraud. This is about playing in East Texas (period)!!!! There is this air of invincibility about East Texas Football (there was an ET representative in every classification last season [I believe] except class 1A)- for a long time now, the record stands for itself - Good to Great teams lose when playing in East Texas - the list is long and includes many great Texas programs. Most other Texas teams/programs have a fear of being surrounded by pine trees. Please go back and check the records, teams from East Texas have traveled to the DFW area (and across this state far and wide) an imbalanced number of times just to play formidable opponents. How many DFW teams or any other part of Texas can say that they have ventured into East Texas? Sure, they use excuses like the size of the stadiums; but let the truth be known, nobody really wants to schedule a game down under. I’ve said it before; we (ET) does not get a fair shot when it comes to scheduling big games in this State. For us – it’s common knowledge; the East Texas area is the Rodney Daingerfield of Texas football. As far as I am concerned, historically speaking - since there has been such a large disparity in big game locations, I feel that a resolution should be passed that for the next ten years (if not more), all big playoff games should be played in East Texas. By the way, what are you belly aching about anyway; SLC must come to East Texas and LP will be without their staring QB. Doesn’t that make it even? Or does it? :D ;) :cool:

[rich_pack]

Why dont they just start a new district called the "Better Than Everyone Else and Should Get What Ever We Want" class. As far as saying that Dodge may pick Dragon Stadium next year if he gets to, thats just flat out stupid, it's not like Lufkin picked Abe Martin. If Outlaw would have picked College Station for home field, that would not Even be home feild, because we would still have to travel along ways. P.S. I truthfully think SLC will not have as many fans travel this far as they did in Waco. Waco is only about 1 1/2 away for you guys compared to 3-4 hours down in Nac. I live in Dallas and I have allready talked to several people I work with and they said they were not driving that far. Good luck to both teams, just think all this is crazy!!! Lets just play ball!!!!!! whoever wins this game will win state!!!

[SLC13]

Nothing but respect to you. I enjoy our conversations on the board and very rarely does it get personal or out of line. I would like to say the same to Pack 97. I don't know if there are many people on the board or that I know that could have conversation stay on topic and not get heated. Everyone stayed cool. And I know this is way off topic, but even though I have done my fair share of dogging Trinity this year I am rooting for them big time this weekend. I am going to be in the Austin area this weekend (I have to travel a lot and thus miss a lot of Dragon games especially when they are on Saturdays) and I am debating whether to fight the crowds at Round Rock (don't get me started on that choice) or just watch it on TV with Carroll vs. LP on in the background.
Geez DDF.......you argued about SFA as the venue for page upon page of this thread and you're not even going to the game!?.........:confused:

I have to agree with the LP folks, we flipped and lost. Many have told us that there is plenty of seating and the pictures on another thread confirm that. So I for one intend to enjoy my East TX roadtrip and what should be another great game!! :)

[LPFAN]

i was at the your lufkin/cove game....sat on the cove side front row...gotta say i and everyone around me thought cove had it when your qb was down and they did have it if the refs didnt bail yall out.....btw dragonfootballfan has got u about not havin any major stadiums
You don't know football kid. Bail us out.:rolleyes: Please!!!! Get off this board if you don't know how to act. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[SLC Dragon Fan]

Can I add my 2-cents? Hello-lo!! Let's get real. This is not about the band. It's not about the size of the stadium (come on be truthful, if this game was at SLC I seriously doubt if they'd be complaining). It's not that East Texas is the Mecca of Texas high school football (oh contraire); nor is ET a fraud. This is about playing in East Texas (period)!!!! There is this air of invincibility about East Texas Football (there was an ET representative in every classification last season [I believe] except class 1A)- for a long time now, the record stands for itself - Good to Great teams lose when playing in East Texas - the list is long and includes many great Texas programs. Most other Texas teams/programs have a fear of being surrounded by pine trees. Please go back and check the records, teams from East Texas have traveled to the DFW area (and across this state far and wide) an imbalanced number of times just to play formidable opponents. How many DFW teams or any other part of Texas can say that they have ventured into East Texas? Sure, they use excuses like the size of the stadiums; but let the truth be known, nobody really wants to schedule a game down under. I’ve said it before; we (ET) does not get a fair shot when it comes to scheduling big games in this State. For us – it’s common knowledge; the East Texas area is the Rodney Daingerfield of Texas football. As far as I am concerned, historically speaking - since there has been such a large disparity in big game locations, I feel that a resolution should be passed that for the next ten years (if not more), all big playoff games should be played in East Texas. By the way, what are you belly aching about anyway; SLC must come to East Texas and LP will be without their staring QB. Doesn’t that make it even? Or does it?

Trust me. The Dragons don't fear playing anywhere. We've been to West Texas and South Texas so bring on East Texas. SLC has won in every venue they've played in since moving to 5A. It'll be nice adding Homer Bryce to the long list of stadiums we've won in.

[LPFAN]

I already addressed the Shotwell vs. Dragon Stadium thing by saying too small is too small anyway you slice it. 33,000 fans showed up for that game, Shotwell would not have been able to accomadate that and neither would Dragon Stadium. This is different Texas Stadium could accomadate everyone and SFA cannot.

Outlaw's primary objective is to win football games, but he also has a responsibility to his school and the fans of the game. Not just Lufkin or Carroll fans, but Texas football fans. He did something selfish.

Don't act like money doesn't mean anything. There would probably have been about 30,000 people at this game had it been played at a suitable stadium. There will probably be about 20,000 people in this stadium if they are lucky. That is about 10,000 people less and at $10 a piece that is $100,000 that will be lost that the UIL, Carroll, and Lufkin could have taken.
You still don't know what the heck you are talking about. All your crap is just based on ASSUMPTIONS. So you already have taken ROLL CALL and you know the exact number of people that want to go. You say that we would be lucky to have 20,000 people in the stadium. How BLIND are you? We have been telling you that there were WELL OVER 20,000 at the game last year when we played Longview and we even told you there was PLENTY of room for THOUSANDS more but you still won't listen. JUST GIVE IT UP. You have your mind set and are BLIND to the facts that have been given to you.

[LPFAN]

No a LP fan's situation would not be like a Carroll fan's situation. A carroll has to get to the stadium 1-2 hours before game time and still may be forced to sit on a grassy hill and it may rain making it impossible to sit there. Many Carroll fans may not show up because it will take an entire day and they may not get a seat. A Panther fan would just have to show up at game time and they would be garaunteed a seat. See the difference.
There is no differance. Lufkin fans will still get there 2-3 hours before the game as we did last year when we played Longview and this year when we played South Garland. We even do that when we play in Waco. A lot of us will get good seats in the stands but a lot will be on the grass. We have left early in the morning to drive to Waco and stand outside of the gate 2 1/2 hours before the game several times this year. We have also sat in the grass(on a hill) in 2001 at Rose Stadium when it was pouring rain, the wind was blowing and it was very cold. Don't act like it can't be done. We travel well too but if the game had been at Texas Stadium it would have been big enough but the drive would have kept a lot of Lufkin fans from going as well as other East Texans that just want to see a good game. So no matter who wins the toss there will always be people who will miss out of the game because of the location. JUST DEAL WITH IT MAN. To all the other SLC fans we look forward to another great game. See you guys on Saturday.

[dragonfootballfan]

I am not arguing that Lufkin broke any rules in choosing their stadium venue. I am just defending the topic in the thread. A classy organization would have chosen a venue that was not just accomadating to their group, but accomadating to all parties involved including the fans, players, coaches, schoold districts and UIL. Lufkin did not have to choose to play at a bigger venue, but the respectful, courteous thing to do would be to consider all parties and choose a stadium large enough. Lufkin won the flip and instead of considering an alternative site, they chose a stadium that benefits just them and did not consider anyone else. Carroll on the other hand was considerate as their choice of stadium is big enough to accomadate all fans. It is not Carroll's fault that they have a big venue that can hold that amount of fans near them. Lufkin could have done the right thing and thought of all the parties involved, but they decided to go the other route and be selfish.

[dragonfootballfan]

Why dont they just start a new district called the "Better Than Everyone Else and Should Get What Ever We Want" class. As far as saying that Dodge may pick Dragon Stadium next year if he gets to, thats just flat out stupid, it's not like Lufkin picked Abe Martin. If Outlaw would have picked College Station for home field, that would not Even be home feild, because we would still have to travel along ways. P.S. I truthfully think SLC will not have as many fans travel this far as they did in Waco. Waco is only about 1 1/2 away for you guys compared to 3-4 hours down in Nac. I live in Dallas and I have allready talked to several people I work with and they said they were not driving that far. Good luck to both teams, just think all this is crazy!!! Lets just play ball!!!!!! whoever wins this game will win state!!!
Actually unlike Lufkin's coach, coach Dodge thought of all of the other parties involved and declared a homefield that was accomadating to everyone. Lufkin on the other hand did not. Who is the selfish group here?

[PACK]

For petes sake let's talk about football and drop this childish rant!
Could the Administrators please stop it.

[LPFAN]

I am not arguing that Lufkin broke any rules in choosing their stadium venue. I am just defending the topic in the thread. A classy organization would have chosen a venue that was not just accomadating to their group, but accomadating to all parties involved including the fans, players, coaches, schoold districts and UIL. Lufkin did not have to choose to play at a bigger venue, but the respectful, courteous thing to do would be to consider all parties and choose a stadium large enough. Lufkin won the flip and instead of considering an alternative site, they chose a stadium that benefits just them and did not consider anyone else. Carroll on the other hand was considerate as their choice of stadium is big enough to accomadate all fans. It is not Carroll's fault that they have a big venue that can hold that amount of fans near them. Lufkin could have done the right thing and thought of all the parties involved, but they decided to go the other route and be selfish.
PLEASE JUST GIVE IT UP MAN. OK LUFKIN IS CLASSLESS AND SO IS OUTLAW. SLC IS ALL CLASS AND SO IS DODGE.:rolleyes: Is that what you want to hear. Everyone in here with some common sense knows that is just ridiculous to think that way. Just come to the game and enjoy it. If you had no intentions of even coming then let it go. MOST of the other SLC fans are not trippin over this issue like you are.

[dragonfootballfan]

We played our D1 SEMI-FINAL game yesterday in a stadium that holds 12,000. Neither team suffured from a lack of seating. We didn't complain before the game about the size of this stadium nor should we have. Problem? What problem?
The situation is not the same

We will play our D1 STATE FINALS game in a stadium that holds 11,000. I don't hear anyone complaining about that either. I expect the stadium to be full but I don't expect a problem. It's an away game and the crowd will be much smaller.
the situation is not the same

Maybe we are just different. We are excited to be watching our team still play some great football. We don't feel a need to expect special considerations for our huge following of fans. Yea, IF we were playing in the DFW metroplex we would need something bigger than 14,500 seats because a great deal of the millions who reside in the metroplex would come and support us even though they might not call themselves Trinity fans. On an away game several hours away, 14,500 might be fine for our needs. We are in the state finals. We don't mind getting to the game early to get the best seats.

My 2 cents.
so you would rather play in front of 15,000 fans than play in front of 30,000 fans.

[dragonfootballfan]

I find it interesting that no one is complaining about the size of the venue for the Katy-Smithson Valley game. That game is being held at a stadium that holds 15,000 and doesn't have near as much grass seating as SFA. Furthermore, SFA holds more than Waco ISD where Lufkin-SLC played each other in 2002.

Learn from the Smithson-Valley people who are not complaining about 15,000 capacity at their venue and just go to the game and enjoy what I hope is a great contest!!!
I am just wondering, but if more than one person does the wrong thing, does that make it right?

[dragonfootballfan]

Or the Trinity/Judson game. Round Rock holds what? 12K? And this is a title game? I know its just the D1 title but a title none the less.
look at one of my above post. I thought that was ridiculous as well.

[LPFAN]

Actually unlike Lufkin's coach, coach Dodge thought of all of the other parties involved and declared a homefield that was accomadating to everyone. Lufkin on the other hand did not. Who is the selfish group here?
Do you know coach Dodge personally? Do you know what he was thinking? I seriously doubt it. You are just ASSUMING things and you are making yourself look more and more pathetic every time you say the same things over and over. You are not even coming to the game are you. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[PACKMAN]

A classy organization ......... Lufkin could have done the right thing and thought of all the parties involved, but they decided to go the other route and be selfish.

Are you kidding? Grow up! Please get over this by game time so that IF our boys win the game, your boys won't have to listen to you whine about this as an excuse for the rest of their lives.

Please .......... let it go for your kids sake;)

[dragonfootballfan]

Actually unlike Lufkin's coach, coach Dodge thought of all of the other parties involved and declared a homefield that was accomadating to everyone. Lufkin on the other hand did not. Who is the selfish group here?
Do you know coach Dodge personally? Do you know what he was thinking? I seriously doubt it. You are just ASSUMING things and you are making yourself look more and more pathetic every time you say the same things over and over. You are not even coming to the game are you. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Dodge chose Texas Stadium. It seats 60,000+. It can accomadate everyone's needs.

Lufkin chose SFA. It seats 15,500. It cannot accomadate everyone's needs.

Which one is selfish?

[PantherStang84]

Lufkin folks just drop it and let this guy have whatever moral victory he is after here. Some people can't help but live in their delusions. Everyone knows what happened. If this guy thinks he is better than us because his stadium is bigger then so be it. Let's move on.

Lufkin let's concede these points:

1. Todd Dodge has more class in his pinky than the entire Lufkin coaching staff combined.
2. Southlake is better than Lufkin because they have a bigger stadium at their disposal to play in.
3. Southlake is better than Lufkin just because they are.

I think if we concede these 3 points, we will be able to move on.

[dragonfootballfan]

Are you kidding? Grow up! Please get over this by game time so that IF our boys win the game, your boys won't have to listen to you whine about this as an excuse for the rest of their lives.

Please .......... let it go for your kids sake;)
I don't think the stadium will play any part in the outcome of this game. All I know is that after this one there better not be any Lufkin fans complaining about a communication system.

[LPFAN]

Lufkin folks just drop it and let this guy have whatever moral victory he is after here. Some people can't help but live in their delusions. Everyone knows what happened. If this guy thinks he is better than us because his stadium is bigger then so be it. Let's move on.

Lufkin let's concede these points:

1. Todd Dodge has more class in his pinky than the entire Lufkin coaching staff combined.
2. Southlake is better than Lufkin because they have a bigger stadium at their disposal to play in.
3. Southlake is better than Lufkin just because they are.

I think if we concede these 3 points, we will be able to move on.
Yeah he is in his own little world. I better just let him be. Heck he isn't even going to the game anyway. :rolleyes:

[dragonfootballfan]

Lufkin folks just drop it and let this guy have whatever moral victory he is after here. Some people can't help but live in their delusions. Everyone knows what happened. If this guy thinks he is better than us because his stadium is bigger then so be it. Let's move on.

Lufkin let's concede these points:

1. Todd Dodge has more class in his pinky than the entire Lufkin coaching staff combined.
2. Southlake is better than Lufkin because they have a bigger stadium at their disposal to play in.
3. Southlake is better than Lufkin just because they are.

I think if we concede these 3 points, we will be able to move on.
I don't want you to condcede those things. I just want you to understand my point of view. I understand why Outlaw chose his facility, and I do not agree with it. Why am I all of a delusional? Is it because I do not agree with you or your coach?

[PantherStang84]

Ignore mode initiated.

[PACKMAN]

Lufkin folks just drop it and let this guy have whatever moral victory he is after here. Some people can't help but live in their delusions. Everyone knows what happened. If this guy thinks he is better than us because his stadium is bigger then so be it. Let's move on.

Lufkin let's concede these points:

1. Todd Dodge has more class in his pinky than the entire Lufkin coaching staff combined.
2. Southlake is better than Lufkin because they have a bigger stadium at their disposal to play in.
3. Southlake is better than Lufkin just because they are.

I think if we concede these 3 points, we will be able to move on.


I think you may have stumbled onto something. "dragonfootballfan" may be afflicted with that rare elusive disease known in the sports medicine community as "stadium size envy". Perhaps we should just let it go .............

[dragonfootballfan]

Yeah he is in his own little world. I better just let him be. Heck he isn't even going to the game anyway. :rolleyes:
Does it matter if I will be attending the game. I want everyone in my community to be able to see the game in a good environment. That is something that they will not be able to do because of a selfish act by your head coach.

[dragonfootballfan]

Ignore mode initiated.
I have a good idea, if you do not agree with someone who is being civil and not resorting to personal attacks ignore them.

[VB Pack Fan]

This is why the coin is flipped, if you win you get your choice. Outlaw did what was best for his fans and team.....nothing can change that now. it is not going to affect howthe game will be played.

[dragonfootballfan]

This is why the coin is flipped, if you win you get your choice. Outlaw did what was best for his fans and team.....nothing can change that now. it is not going to affect howthe game will be played.
So you want to teach all the kids that around the Lufkin program that when you have power to make decisions that only consider what is the best for you and do not take into account how that affects anyone else?

[PACKMAN]

So you want to teach all the kids that around the Lufkin program that when you have power to make decisions that only consider what is the best for you and do not take into account how that affects anyone else?


OK ...... How bout this? To make up for our dastardly deed (the coin flip), we will make all of our skill position players wear "cowboy boots" to help equalize the apparent speed mismatch. Will this make you feel better?

[SLC Dragon Fan]

OK ...... How bout this? To make up for our dastardly deed (the coin flip), we will make all of our skill position players wear "cowboy boots" to help equalize the apparent speed mismatch. Will this make you feel better?

What makes you think that there's a speed mismatch

[dragonfootballfan]

OK ...... How bout this? To make up for our dastardly deed (the coin flip), we will make all of our skill position players wear "cowboy boots" to help equalize the apparent speed mismatch. Will this make you feel better?
what are you talking about? this does not even respond to the post that you quoted.

[Big_Maar]

So you want to teach all the kids that around the Lufkin program that when you have power to make decisions that only consider what is the best for you and do not take into account how that affects anyone else?


Are you trying to teach your kids that fair is fair(coin flip) until you lose and then you cry about the outcome. Get real. I promise that SLC and Lp will show up to play regardless if there is 20,000 or 30,000 fans there.

[dragons08]

dragonfootballfan, just drop it..what does it matter to you anyway? it seems you dont even go to the games as of late...the game was at TS and you were on here posting about it, so it makes no diffrence to you...the true fans will go and not complain about it, so just drop it

[dragonfootballfan]

Are you trying to teach your kids that fair is fair(coin flip) until you lose and then you cry about the outcome. Get real. I promise that SLC and Lp will show up to play regardless if there is 20,000 or 30,000 fans there.
I am not crying about the outcome. I am just trying to point out that the Lufkin choice was selfish and this type of behaviour should not be what you are trying to teach. When you are given power you can make a choice that is good for yourself or for all parties involved. Lufkin made the choice that was good for them and only them. This is a selfish act.

[dragonfootballfan]

dragonfootballfan, just drop it..what does it matter to you anyway? it seems you dont even go to the games as of late...the game was at TS and you were on here posting about it, so it makes no diffrence to you...the true fans will go and not complain about it, so just drop it
So if something is wrong, but it doesn't affect me I should agree with it?

[PACKMAN]

dragonfootballfan, just drop it..what does it matter to you anyway? it seems you dont even go to the games as of late...the game was at TS and you were on here posting about it, so it makes no diffrence to you...the true fans will go and not complain about it, so just drop it


Nice call d08 ........... good luck to you guys. I've always believed "to be the best, you've got to beat the best". Until proven otherwise, you guys are still the best. I'm just glad we get another chance to alter that situation!

See ya at "THE GAME"

[Panther~Pride*Dancer07]

HOW MUCH LONGER CAN THIS GO ON!!???:confused: :confused:

[PackAttack2005]

Explain to me how it is fair to Lufkin, to come to Texas Stadium and play in Southlake's back yard. That is not a neutral site. Southlake is 15 minutes from TS, while Lufkin is 3 1/2 hours away.

We offered Kyle Field as a nuetral site and you turn it down and offer Texas Stadium, WOW, Southlake really took a chance there. that's not even a good drive to the grocery store for you guys.

I understand what you are trying to say about stadium capacity and allowing everyone to see the game. However, it does not compute in my brain that that Texas Stadium is an advantageous move for Lufkin, because it's not. If coming to Nacogdoches makes Southlake a little uncomfortable in their own skin, that is great, we acccomplished what we wanted. I don't feel we own Southlake or their fans an explaintion for why we are playing at SFA. It is simple, we won the coin flip and you didn't.

[Clinishia_2004]

Look whoever you are the game isn't over till it's over so don't just assume that Lufkin will lose, because if SLC loses then you'll be the first one to slip out the back. Don't under estimate the Lufkin Panther football team nor it's fans because I can almost guarentee you that win or lose we won't budge. Oh and please believe me the Purple Swarm is ready and they back down to no one. Having diarreah of the mouth never brought anything good to anyone, therefore un-c0ck your gun and sit back and enjoy the game. And remember look for me in midst of the sea of purple. GO LUFKIN PANTHERS ALL THE WAY TO STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S Oh Lufkin started singing the following song the year we won state which was 2001 and we've been singing it since then, so SLC Dad take a bow, say goodnight, and give it a rest already. So with out further delay i'll perform another "classless act": "WE READY, WE READY, WE READY, FOR YA'LL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
How much more can this topic be discussed and cussed? Lufkin won the flip, Southlake Carroll will win the game. Which is more important? We'll see the Lufkin Panthers faithful turnout with a good showing. SLC fans won't be a plentiful, but won't have to be to make a decent showing. SLC will score early and take the Lufkin fandom out of the game. Final: SLC 42 Lufkin 28. SLC meets Katy in the state finals.

[dragonfootballfan]

It is simple, we won the coin flip and you didn't.
It is not that simple. By winning the coin flip and choosing a 15,500 seat stadium Lufkin sent a message to everyone saying, "All we care about is ourselves and do not care about anyone else." That is definitely the message that should be delivered to a bunch a 16-18 year old kids inside the Lufkin program.

It is not Carroll's fault that they have a big stadium near them and Lufkin does not.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

It is not that simple. By winning the coin flip and choosing a 15,500 seat stadium Lufkin sent a message to everyone saying, "All we care about is ourselves and do not care about anyone else." That is definitely the message that should be delivered to a bunch a 16-18 year old kids inside the Lufkin program.

It is not Carroll's fault that they have a big stadium near them and Lufkin does not.
Just be glad Outlaw did yall a favor by not selecting a Friday night game at Homer Bryce. ;)

[dragonfootballfan]

Just be glad Outlaw did yall a favor by not selecting a Friday night game at Homer Bryce. ;)
Since he could have been even more selfish, he was not selfish in the first place. Great logic

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Since he could have been even more selfish, he was not selfish in the first place. Great logic
In a home and home situation what stadium could he had picked other than SFA?

[PackAttack2005]

Dragonfootballfan, Your impossible to reason with. I am not going to throw you in with the rest of the SLC fans. But man, your blinded by your own light if you think Lufkin would have voluntarily agreed to play at Texas Stadium.

Doesn't matter now, the deed is done, we are at SFA. You can call us selfish or anything you want, because it doesn't change a thing. We're here @ SFA and not there @ TS where you want us and you don't like it.

Either deal with it or just shut up about it! I'm done for this week, I see nothing left to talk about , I will see everyone on Saturday.