Its official!! Lufkin-Southlake Carroll at SFA Sat. 2pm

[rich_pack]

bring it

[PowerPack'd]

bring it
Where did you find out from?

[pack98]

if this is true,

BRING SLC TO OLD SFA AND EAST TEXAS

LETS GO PANTHERS

LETS GO PANTHERS

LETS GO PANTHERS

LETS GO PANTHERS

LETS GO PANTHERS

[rich_pack]

Lufkin is the home team.

[v2the4]

home field advantage for Lufkin....will you finally get by SLC this time? Even without your starting QB, this may be your best chance, especially with that defense the panthers have....

[PowerPack'd]

Lufkin is the home team.
Where did you find out from?

[panthergrad]

If you don't get there early bring your blanket you'll be in the grass.

[PantherStang84]

We'll find out in one week.

[pack98]

on the lufkinpanthersports. page.

our sideline guy just got off the phone. Randy mccelvy with Stephen yates at texas stadium with coach outlaw and this is confirmed.

GAME AT SFA, GAME AT SFA.

[Red Raiders]

I hope I go this one next week at SFA, I been to this stadium many times since I was little, I want to see if I can go with my brother who goes to SFA.

[Phoenixrising05]

how many seats are in SFA stadium? like 15,000? :mad: SLC brings at least 15,000 alone...this is just absurd if it's true

[Big_Maar]

how many seats are in SFA stadium? like 15,000? :mad: SLC brings at least 15,000 alone...this is just absurd if it's true

They can sit on the grassy hills! lol:D

[PantherStang84]

There is plenty of grass to sit on. Bring a blanket.

[rich_pack]

yea, but will SLC bring 15,000 drive 4 hours instead of 45 minutes? I doubt it, cut your crowd by at least 5,000 and that will be about right

[pack98]

This is TRUE. the Lufkin Radio just said it.

GAME IS TO BE AT SFA.

Longview and Lufkin had 23,000 there last time.

This one is going to be packed. you may have to stay the night at the stadium. hey THIS IS A FAIR GAME. BOTH COACHED AGREED ON THE FLIP AND ONE HAD TO LOOSE AND OUTLAW WON THE FLIP. we lost last week going to baylor.

LETS GO PANTHERS

SATURDAY AT SFA. WOW!!!!! TALK ABOUT THE PRESS NEXT SATURDAY.

[rancher52]

I can tell you with crowds like this there will not be enough motel rooms either.... there will be long drives before and after.

[PowerPack'd]

how many seats are in SFA stadium? like 15,000? :mad: SLC brings at least 15,000 alone...this is just absurd if it's true
SFA's stadium holds, officially, 17,000. We had about 23,000 there when we played Longview in round3 last year.

It is not absurd, it is gamesmanship. What is absurd IMHO is that Lufkin has had to travel to Waco three times for playoff games already this year. It is a three hour one-way trip. I know that SLC prefers Texas Stadium. That is like a second home to you (I'm guessing). I don't see SLC wanting to play at Texas Stadium being any different that Lufkin wanting to play at SFA.

[rancher52]

SFA's stadium holds, officially, 17,000. We had about 23,000 there when we played Longview in round3 last year.

It is not absurd, it is gamesmanship. What is absurd IMHO is that Lufkin has had to travel to Waco three times for playoff games already this year. It is a three hour one-way trip. I know that SLC prefers Texas Stadium. That is like a second home to you (I'm guessing). I don't see SLC wanting to play at Texas Stadium being any different that Lufkin wanting to play at SFA.
The web shows 14,575 as capacity.

[Favpack]

how many seats are in SFA stadium? like 15,000? :mad: SLC brings at least 15,000 alone...this is just absurd if it's true

A travesty I tell you - just kidding. My take is Coach Outlaw selected A&M as a neutral site and it was shot down - Coach O ALWAYS prefers a neutral site - but I could be wrong - maybe he gambled for this one.

[abbimaci]

I can tell you with crowds like this there will not be enough motel rooms either.... there will be long drives before and after.

Are you serious, it is a 3 hour drive, you will be home by 8:30 or 9. Have you ever been out of the metroplex before?

[Phoenixrising05]

This is TRUE. the Lufkin Radio just said it.

GAME IS TO BE AT SFA.

Longview and Lufkin had 23,000 there last time.

This one is going to be packed. you may have to stay the night at the stadium. hey THIS IS A FAIR GAME. BOTH COACHED AGREED ON THE FLIP AND ONE HAD TO LOOSE AND OUTLAW WON THE FLIP. we lost last week going to baylor.

LETS GO PANTHERS

SATURDAY AT SFA. WOW!!!!! TALK ABOUT THE PRESS NEXT SATURDAY.

right the difference being that both Texas Stadium and Floyd Casey (Baylor) can accomdate all fans...Outlaw chose a stadium that can accomadate half at most. I guess he forgot that these games are played for FANS too and not just the W.

[Favpack]

It will be fine folks. Nac is a decent town - and the stadium - with grassy berm seating - will be fine. Leave around 9 am or so - You'll be home by 9:30 Sat. night.

[rancher52]

Are you serious, it is a 3 hour drive, you will be home by 8:30 or 9. Have you ever been out of the metroplex before?
Yep one of my kids spent the best 6 years of his life in NAC. With such a small stadium you would have to be there at least 2 hours in advance.. That means you have to be on the road by 8:00. Southlake games are going to last 3 hours or better. So you will be leaving with the traffic around 5:30 or better so it would be 9:00 or 9:30.. I was just pointing out it will be a long day.

[drgnbkr]

Are you serious, it is a 3 hour drive, you will be home by 8:30 or 9. Have you ever been out of the metroplex before?

Yeah, we played in Waco in 02 & 04...:D

[SanAngeloBobcat]

It is a shame that all the fans who want to see this game won't be able to see the game, not to mention the inconvenience for the fans who do get in having to wait in line no telling how many hours in advance just to get a seat.

This is when the UIL should step in and force teams to play at a neutral site which has the capacity to handle the expected crowd. Both schools' athletic departments will not make nearly the money they would have made by playing this in a bigger venue, and the UIL loses out on their cut too since lots of fans will skip this one not wanting to fight for a seat on the grass.

[Favpack]

right the difference being that both Texas Stadium and Floyd Casey (Baylor) can accomdate all fans...Outlaw chose a stadium that can accomadate half at most. I guess he forgot that these games are played for FANS too and not just the W.
Phoenix - Floyd was NOT available - so lose that idea - and to suggest Texas Stadium is a neutral site is a little beyond absurd. As I've stated 3 times - Coach Outlaw has a 100% history of preferring a neutral site - not sure why they couldn't agree on one - but they couldn't. but, gimmee a break on Texas Stadium. Our kids have never played there and Coach O doesn't want to - unless the chips fell that way and they didn't.

[Phoenixrising05]

Phoenix - Floyd was NOT available - so lose that idea - and to suggest Texas Stadium is a neutral site is a little beyond absurd. As I've stated 3 times - Coach Outlaw has a 100% history of preferring a neutral site - not sure why they couldn't agree on one - but they couldn't. but, gimmee a break on Texas Stadium. Our kids have never played there and Coach O doesn't want to - unless the chips fell that way and they didn't.

No it wasn't available so Outlaw should have chosen a REASONABLE site as his "home flip." Or chosen a different Neutral site. Instead he decided to take the marginal (at best) advantage east texas would give him disregarding all fans (and money) involved. I know that I have a very different view of the Lufkin program after all of this. The UIL should have stepped in and said "look this is simply not rational."

[Phoenixrising05]

Furthermore what's sad is that the FANS are the ones being "screwed" by Outlaw's selfishness not the SLC team.

[Dragon2Aggie]

Does anyone know where the closest airport is to SFA? Or is the drive there from Southlake closer than their nearest airport? :p

[Favpack]

No it wasn't available so Outlaw should have chosen a REASONABLE site as his "home flip." Or chosen a different Neutral site. Instead he decided to take the marginal (at best) advantage east texas would give him disregarding all fans (and money) involved. I know that I have a very different view of the Lufkin program after all of this. The UIL should have stepped in and said "look this is simply not rational."

And what neutral site would that be Phoenix? Start listing 'em out right now. There is no way Coach O would have not agreed to play at A&M - maybe it wasn't available. Austin? I don't know - but a neutral site selection is a two-way street my friend.

[PantherStang84]

Nacogdoches does have an airport. It's no DFW though.

[PACK]

It is a shame that all the fans who want to see this game won't be able to see the game, not to mention the inconvenience for the fans who do get in having to wait in line no telling how many hours in advance just to get a seat.

This is when the UIL should step in and force teams to play at a neutral site which has the capacity to handle the expected crowd. Both schools' athletic departments will not make nearly the money they would have made by playing this in a bigger venue, and the UIL loses out on their cut too since lots of fans will skip this one not wanting to fight for a seat on the grass.

Well boo hoo. We got home at 2am this morning from Waco which we flipped for and lost for the 3rd time this year. And the road from here to Waco is mostly two lane and under construction. It's a pig trail at best. For the Metro folks it is less than an hours drive to Waco down 35. SO, SLC coached didn't have to agree to this just like the South Garland coach didn't either. Kyle Field was open but Dodge didn't want to play on dirt from what I've been told. So, home home it was and they lost. Get over it or get use to it. It's time to play in the Pineywoods!
Gentlemen, Prepare yourselves!

[PACK '97]

No it wasn't available so Outlaw should have chosen a REASONABLE site as his "home flip." Or chosen a different Neutral site. Instead he decided to take the marginal (at best) advantage east texas would give him disregarding all fans (and money) involved. I know that I have a very different view of the Lufkin program after all of this. The UIL should have stepped in and said "look this is simply not rational."


SFA will be able to accomodate up to 24-27k easily...UIL step in?, gimme a break...Coach Outlaw wanted A&M, Dodge didnt and BOTH agreed on a SFA/TS flip...you guys lost...Sorry, LP doesnt have professional football team in our back yard...what are we suppose to do?...tell me, please....SFA is the biggest stadium around ET...there is no other place to play the game for a home/home flip.

[Dragon2Aggie]

I'm trying to figure out if DFW even flys to that airport...Do you know what airlines fly out of it?

[panthergrad]

Does anyone know where the closest airport is to SFA? Or is the drive there from Southlake closer than their nearest airport? :p

They can just fly over and jump out as they pass by. Wait did I forget to say to use a parachute?:D

[LPFAN]

It is a shame that all the fans who want to see this game won't be able to see the game, not to mention the inconvenience for the fans who do get in having to wait in line no telling how many hours in advance just to get a seat.

This is when the UIL should step in and force teams to play at a neutral site which has the capacity to handle the expected crowd. Both schools' athletic departments will not make nearly the money they would have made by playing this in a bigger venue, and the UIL loses out on their cut too since lots of fans will skip this one not wanting to fight for a seat on the grass.
You all are really freaking out about NOTHING. There will be room in the grass. When we played Longview last year there was still PLENTY of room all around the grassy hills. Quit tripping and just make the drive. You will see the game if you really want to.

[Phoenixrising05]

If it's true that Dodge vetoed A&M then please re-direct all my anger towards him. The point is that whichever coach was responsible for putting a game of this caliber in a 15-23,000 stadium should be seroiusly reprimanded. If Dodge chose to flip TS/SFA over A&M as neutral then he's just as guilty as Outlaw in the previous scenario. Bottom-line is that all fans should be able to get into a game.

[rancher52]

And what neutral site would that be Phoenix? Start listing 'em out right now. There is no way Coach O would have not agreed to play at A&M - maybe it wasn't available. Austin? I don't know - but a neutral site selection is a two-way street my friend.
I think you are 100% correct. And for the record I love visiting NAC

[Favpack]

SFA will be able to accomodate up to 24-27k easily...UIL step in?, gimme a break...Coach Outlaw wanted A&M, Dodge didnt and BOTH agreed on a SFA/TS flip...you guys lost...Sorry, LP doesnt have professional football team in our back yard...what are we suppose to do?...tell me, please....SFA is the biggest stadium around ET...there is no other place to play the game for a home/home flip.

BINGO!!! Coach Dodge refused to hook 'em 3.5 hours down I-45 to HUGE KYLE FIELD! Go talk to Todd SLC fans. You guys are really something else --- I could say something -- but I'm biting my tongue because Drgnbkr is my man.

And, to be honest -- we Pack fans are a little ornery today anyway because we got home and in bed at 3 am - and our qb who is clearly our MVP broke his arm. So, I promise we'll be friendlier tomorrow.:)

[Dragon2Aggie]

I don't get how it is about 3 hours to Lufkin or SFA...whatever from Southlake, and about 3 hours to Texas A&M from Southlake but somehow that is the neutral site? It's the same distance to each? That doesn't make any sense to me.

[Phoenixrising05]

Oh and stop generalizing all SLC fans as being pissed about this i'm 1 person! lol And yes i'm pissed...but don't hate on all the other Dragons posters they don't deserve it!

[LPFAN]

If it's true that Dodge vetoed A&M then please re-direct all my anger towards him. The point is that whichever coach was responsible for putting a game of this caliber in a 15-23,000 stadium should be seroiusly reprimanded. If Dodge chose to flip TS/SFA over A&M as neutral then he's just as guilty as Outlaw in the previous scenario. Bottom-line is that all fans should be able to get into a game.
All the true fans will get into the game. Just because you guys had over 30 at the game today does not mean 15000 or more were STRICTLY Carroll fans. I know there are a lot of people that wanted to see the old Powerhouse Plano vs the new Powerhouse Carroll today and that added to the numbers at the stadium. Like I said you guys will have a place to sit if you really want to see the game. I am not too good to sit in the grass if it comes down to it.

[rancher52]

Official attendance today at the SLC / Plano game was 34,783. I would think it is reasonable to think around 5,000 were interested followers of HS football or tangently related to the two programs. Now you are at 30,000. IMHO, Plano had more of the 30,000.... say 16-17 k. That leaves 13 to 14 SLC followers. I would expect no more than 9-10000 to be heading to NAC. Again just an opinion.

[LPFAN]

Official attendance today at the SLC / Plano game was 34,783. I would think it is reasonable to think around 5,000 were interested followers of HS football or tangently related to the two programs. Now you are at 30,000. IMHO, Plano had more of the 30,000.... say 16-17 k. That leaves 13 to 14 SLC followers. I would expect no more than 9-10000 to be heading to NAC. Again just an opinion.
No matter what it will be a great atmosphere.

[Favpack]

I never heard an attendance for SLC/Lufkin last year at the Floyd - I recall 25-30K being kicked around. Take off 5,000 avg. Joe fans and you have a packed house of 23K or so.

[PACKMAN]

If it's true that Dodge vetoed A&M then please re-direct all my anger towards him. The point is that whichever coach was responsible for putting a game of this caliber in a 15-23,000 stadium should be seroiusly reprimanded. If Dodge chose to flip TS/SFA over A&M as neutral then he's just as guilty as Outlaw in the previous scenario. Bottom-line is that all fans should be able to get into a game.


They will be able ............. just might have to leave the house 6 hours earlier than your used to ?

[panthergrad]

No matter what it will be a great atmosphere.
Agreed, 23000 in a 23000 capacity stadium provides tons more atmosphere than 34000 in an 80000 seat stadium. It's a totally different experience.

[gwdaddy]

Oh Lord--my wife's already insisting I have to take her to some steak place she remembers from her SFA days (late 70s) after the game--so I guess we won't be back in Southlake 'til midnight. But it could be worse--she could be making me go to some dive that back then was called Snoopy's and we'd be in Nac til dawn!

[Favpack]

Oh Lord--my wife's already insisting I have to take her to some steak place she remembers from her SFA days (late 70s) after the game--so I guess we won't be back in Southlake 'til midnight. But it could be worse--she could be making me go to some dive that back then was called Snoopy's and we'd be in Nac til dawn!

Good luck finding Snoopy's - my guess it closed down in the mid-80's.

[gwdaddy]

Good luck finding Snoopy's - my guess it closed down in the mid-80's.

Thank goodness!!!

[PACK]

Snoopy's now was a high class joint mind you. I mean how many coverted bowling alleys do you find with a mechanical bull and a 20 x20 dance floor.
It was torn down in the early 80's and they built a strip center on it. :(

[Dargason]

Coach Outlaw has a 100% history of preferring a neutral siteIn the radio interview 5 minutes after the Lufkin win Outlaw specifically said he wanted to flip for home and home. Sounds like neutral site never entered his mind. Not quite 100%.

[gwdaddy]

Snoopy's now was a high class joint mind you. I mean how many coverted bowling alleys do you find with a mechanical bull and a 20 x20 dance floor.
It was torn down in the early 80's and they built a strip center on it. :(

I'll pass that on to my wife after while--she may not even have known that it was first a bowling alley. Did the floor go down hill? I remember a Gibson's discount store in a neighboring town when I was a kid that had once been a bowling alley--the floor was sloped.

[drgnbkr]

Agreed, 23000 in a 23000 capacity stadium provides tons more atmosphere than 34000 in an 80000 seat stadium. It's a totally different experience.

The capacity is 14,000..right? Not 23,000...

[LPanther]

The capacity is 14,000..right? Not 23,000...
Yes the official capacity is 14,475, but with the grassy areas you can probably wedge 25,000 in.

[PantherRock1988]

We'll be there for sure. It's going to be the game of the year besides the state title game. We plan to get there early and get a good seat. Thoughts of arriving at 11am are crossing our minds. Of course, we only live 20 minutes away so the drive won't be nothin'.

[taco_bockley]

yea, but will SLC bring 15,000 drive 4 hours instead of 45 minutes? I doubt it, cut your crowd by at least 5,000 and that will be about right
lufkin would they do it all the time

[Ditto]

Not one person was turned away at the gate last year between Longview and Lufkin. If you REALLY want to see this game there is no excuse. SFA will continue to sell tickets until all are in. Good luck to both teams, and have a safe trip.

[taco_bockley]

Furthermore what's sad is that the FANS are the ones being "screwed" by Outlaw's selfishness not the SLC team.

we are not geting screwed i will most deffinantly bee there earl enough to get a seat

[biki1121]

Kyle was the only thing available for that weekend that is anywhere near neutral.

I'm sorry, Texas Stadium, North Texas, SMU, Cotton Bowl, and all the other DFW area sites are not "neutral".

FC has a military ceremony and Waco is small anyway so why not flip home for home if we are going to have to play in a place that small.

DKR for whatever reason wasn't available. Other game or whatever, just don't know and reason wasn't given to media. Home and home seemed a reasonable flip considering all factors if Kyle was ruled out.

[mboys4lp]

FYI- you can fly commercial from DFW to Tyler(ne and one half hours away) twice a day. Plane seats maybe 15. You can fly to Shreveport and drive one and one half hours. or, you can do like we do all the time and gas it up, get a movie for the kids, and enjoy the beautiful scenery. Relax, and try east texas, you might like it. If you need resturant suggestions we're all real helpful.

[mboys4lp]

You know, the year we played Lake Highlands there my kids played on the concession stand roof all night. They still remember the excitement. and, I spent many a night at the old Snoopy's.... Just hope it doesn't rain like the SG game...

[gwdaddy]

Snoopy's update--my wife didn't know it was an old bowling alley, but she did remember the dance floor being on a lower level--obvious bowling alley configuration. Also, no mechanical bull when she was there--disco back then. Must have added the bull to try to ride the Urban Cowboy craze in 1980?

[PowerPack'd]

Official attendance today at the SLC / Plano game was 34,783. I would think it is reasonable to think around 5,000 were interested followers of HS football or tangently related to the two programs. Now you are at 30,000. IMHO, Plano had more of the 30,000.... say 16-17 k. That leaves 13 to 14 SLC followers. I would expect no more than 9-10000 to be heading to NAC. Again just an opinion.
If that is the case, then there should be plenty of room. Yes, some will be sitting on the grass, but they will get to see a quality game. I wouldn't complain too much about sitting on the grass to begin with, I only got to sit down at half time last night because everyone in front of us was standing up. It was game worth standing up for, and being an aggie, I'm used to it!

[PowerPack'd]

In the radio interview 5 minutes after the Lufkin win Outlaw specifically said he wanted to flip for home and home. Sounds like neutral site never entered his mind. Not quite 100%.
That is true, but my guess is that a neutral site had already been ruled out for lack of agreement.

[lpfanforever]

if you are a real fan then you would/will sit on the grass to watch the football game. i remember in 2001 when it was POURING rain in tyler and i sat in the grass through the rain to see LP come back and win.

so just hush and sit on the grass. i promise the grass doesn't bite, only itch a little bit if you don't bring something to sit on.

and no they shouldn't stop letting people in , because they didn't last year when we played Lview.

[LoneStarProud]

Well if SFA is the place then I will be there with the other 15,000 or so Dragon fans. Grassy knoll you say huh. I guess we don't have much choice. I just pray for no rain. Grassy knoll's and rain don't make a good combination.
Can I reserve my grassy knoll in advance like a campsite or something?:p

[PACK]

Snoopy's update--my wife didn't know it was an old bowling alley, but she did remember the dance floor being on a lower level--obvious bowling alley configuration. Also, no mechanical bull when she was there--disco back then. Must have added the bull to try to ride the Urban Cowboy craze in 1980?

Ask her if she remembered a local group called Melrose that use to play there on Thursday nights. As far as the sloped floor goes, generally after being there for about an hour or so, the floor was always sloped! ;)

[gwdaddy]

I just asked her about Melrose, and it turns out that she must have always stayed for more than an hour (can't remember anything but being wobbly--but I'm sure that was just from the sloped floor).

[PACK]

;)

[SLC Dragon Fan]

At least with the game being played at SFA this year Lufkin will owe us a trip to TS in the inevitable semifinal matchup next year.

[PowerPack'd]

At least with the game being played at SFA this year Lufkin will owe us a trip to TS in the inevitable semifinal matchup next year.
Where was the game in 2002? Someone posted earlier that it was at Waco ISD, but I was thinking that it was at T.S. Do you remember?

[LPanther]

It was at WACO ISD. These two have never played at TS.

[Phoenixrising05]

Where was the game in 2002? Someone posted earlier that it was at Waco ISD, but I was thinking that it was at T.S. Do you remember?

It was def at Waco ISD and packed full (neutral site). I don't think Lufkin has EVER played at TS

[PowerPack'd]

It was def at Waco ISD and packed full (neutral site). I don't think Lufkin has EVER played at TS
Maybe not recently, but I know for a fact that they played one of the Plano teams at T.S. in 1994 right before John Tyler played. We got beat and J.T. went on to win. That was when I lived in Irving and my in-laws lived in Lufkin.

[drgnbkr]

It was def at Waco ISD and packed full (neutral site). I don't think Lufkin has EVER played at TS

If Coach Dodge was as good a flipper as he is a coach..we would've seen you at TS....:D

[dragonfootballfan]

At least with the game being played at SFA this year Lufkin will owe us a trip to TS in the inevitable semifinal matchup next year.
I wish we could make them play at Dragon stadium if we meet again

[BigRing5311]

Hey FavPack, ol' buddy...save me 4 seats;)

[Phoenixrising05]

I wish we could make them play at Dragon stadium if we meet again

I think that's hypocritical...no way could all our fans (much less theirs) fit in Dragon Stadium. I want EVERYONE regardless of team to get a seat if they so desire. Just b/c we possibly got the short end of the stick this year doesn't mean Lufkin fans should have to suffer next year.

[dragonfootballfan]

I think that's hypocritical...no way could all our fans (much less theirs) fit in Dragon Stadium. I want EVERYONE regardless of team to get a seat if they so desire. Just b/c we possibly got the short end of the stick this year doesn't mean Lufkin fans should have to suffer next year.
no we should not care about the fans, we should care about winning the game. It would also deter all teams across the state from trying to flip home and home with Carroll because then they know that eventually they will have to play in Dragon Stadium.