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ThEgReAtOnE

12-09-2008, 09:24 PM

...these silly media-entities keep saying Bradford had a lot around him, therefore that's why he saw so much success? A) He didn't have any 1st Round WR's, B) Many thought, up until the 6 th game of the season, that OU's O-line wasn't as good as advertised and B) Murray just showed up in about Week 7 of the season... after starting out slow, following his knee issue.

Also, didn't Reggie Bush have a helluva team surrounding him?? I'd easily say Reggie had more of a team around him, than "he who is VY", yet he still won the Heisman... and there was no talk about having a great group of athletes surrounding him. We all know Vince got the extra-fat shaft, that year!

First, the media (mainly ESPN and associates..) who were running an out of this world campaign for Coltsy. He beat OU! He was the leading rusher of his team! He's tough and.. a good lookin' kid! No one mentions the fact that Tejas rushed for over 2100 yds and 30 tds, this season. Hell, 4 or 5 players ended up with over 300 yds and 4 or 5+ rush-tds. And... head-to-head... Sam destroyed Coltsy in the RRS.. 5 tds to 1 td.

Now, it's Tebow. He put the team on his shoulders in the SEC Title Game! In Week so-in-so, after losing to Ole Miss, he vowed to work very, very hard! Hell, what elite QB doesn't work hard?? What elite QB doesn't take the team on their shoulders??

When things equal out, from the leadership and character standpoint, that leaves statistical data - especially during the tough or losing games. No one... NO ONE.. was more impressive than Bradford, all year long!

Simply put, I'd have Sam, Colt and Graham ahead of the media-poster child who is Timmy Tebow. He may be a helluva football player, but he wasn't the best this year. Hell, last year, Florida went 9-3 in the regular season (9-4 losing to Michigan in the Bowl game) and Timmy still won the Heisman. Was he not surrounded by a pretty good defense and players like Harvin, Murphy, James and Ingram. All the while, Darren McFadden was a 2-Time Heisman Runner-up/2-Time All-American and accounted for 2500 yds and about 21 tds.. as a JR RB! :rolleyes:

It almost seems as if the media is doing its best to hand-shovel Tebow into being a legendary player. Again, don't get me wrong.. he's a damn great athlete. I'm not knocking Tebow, I'm simply saying... 1) If the "QB leader" is reflected in his team, Florida lost 4 games, last year and 2) His statistics don't merit the Heisman, this year.

SLC

12-09-2008, 09:30 PM

Of one thing I am sure.. Tebow will not win the Heisman.

yankee

12-09-2008, 09:34 PM

*cue 8 page defense of tebow from jtk...

SLC

12-09-2008, 09:38 PM

*cue 8 page defense of tebow from jtk...

Not even the Tebow loving JTK can balloon his paltry numbers, to make any legitimate case for him over Bradford or McCoy.

fbstangman

12-09-2008, 09:49 PM

Good QB's make their recievers look awesome.;)
Cosidering that there is usually only one or two recievers drafted on the first day, the odds of OK to have one is rare.
It has become fashionable to look for recievers in the 3,4,and 5th rounds.
Ok.'s QB is a stud. He has a chance to be a great pro.
I'm not a scout but I did stay at a Holiday Inn. And I know good when I see it.
I was called a fool back in the early 90's when I said Brett Favre had a chance to be a Terry Bradshaw kind of QB.(patting myself on the back.):D

svhorns

12-09-2008, 09:59 PM

Bradford sucks... along with OU

jtk1519

12-09-2008, 10:01 PM

*cue 8 page defense of tebow from jtk...

I posted this same thing on this board, but I forget the thread...

Let me preface this rant by saying that Tebow is easily my second favorite QB in the country behind Colt. I like the kid and wish nothing but the best for him.

Anyway, listening to the radio just a couple of minutes ago, Terry Bowden (a Heisman voter) says he has Bradford and Tebow as his top two Heisman favorites. WTF? Are you serious? And Bowden isn't the only one as I have heard this from several talking heads. Tebow over Colt is a f'n joke of monumental proportions. Both have one loss this year, but Texas has the stronger SOS. Colt has thrown for over 1,000 more yards than Tebow, rushed for 100 more yards than Tebow, averaged a full yard per carry more than Tebow, thrown 8 more TDs than Tebow and accounted for 5 total TDs more. Tebow is completing 66% of his passes while Colt is completing 77%. Hell, Colt has more pass completions than Tebow has attempts. How is this even being discussed?

http://www.shaggybevo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=22836&highlight=

I would argue there are 4 players that deserve the trip to New York... Colt, Bradford, Tebow and Harrell, but the reality is that it's a two-way race between Colt and Bradford. If the Rocky Mountain News poll is correct (and they have correctly predicted 18 of the last 21 winners), Colt will win it in one of the tightest races in over a decade. Tebow is 3rd IMO and he really isn't even close to the top 2.

BigRing5311

12-09-2008, 10:01 PM

Heisman Award:
1) Colt McCoy
2) Sam Bradford
3) Tim Tebow

For those who know where my loyalty is you know this is as unbiased (and painful) as it gets.

SLC

12-09-2008, 10:26 PM

Heisman Award:
1) Colt McCoy
2) Sam Bradford
3) Tim Tebow

For those who know where my loyalty is you know this is as unbiased (and painful) as it gets.

Painful?...haha..Yeah I guess it kinda is for ya.:D

Hookin'Em

12-09-2008, 10:28 PM

no one but McCoy belongs. Harrell plays for gimmick tech lost by like 50 and Bradford plays for oU sux and lost to colt and Tebow ya right wutever look at his stats

ThEgReAtOnE

12-09-2008, 10:39 PM

no one but McCoy belongs. Harrell plays for gimmick tech lost by like 50 and Bradford plays for oU sux and lost to colt and Tebow ya right wutever look at his stats

OU lost to Texas. Bradford didn't lose to McCoy, unless you say 308 yds/1 td vs 387 yds/5 tds is losing. If you do, despite seeing the facts on the screen, believe that... this cyber-conversation is over. No need to waste my time on a guy who can't see or comprehend factual data.

And Harrell doesn't play in a gimmicky offense. His Spread-O is pretty simple, while still diverse and dangerous. Tebow would be the guy who runs the gimmicky offense w/ a handfull of Noel Devine's running about.

BigRing5311

12-09-2008, 10:39 PM

no one but McCoy belongs. Harrell plays for gimmick tech lost by like 50 and Bradford plays for oU sux and lost to colt and Tebow ya right wutever look at his stats

Gimmick 39 - Cry Me a River 33

Hookin'Em

12-09-2008, 10:43 PM

SLC

12-09-2008, 10:49 PM

Gimmick 39 - Cry Me a River 33

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Dont hate me JR.. I couldn't resist...:D

BigRing5311

12-09-2008, 10:58 PM

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Dont hate me JR.. I couldn't resist...:D

Hey...it is what it is.
11-1 (and the 1 could almost count as 2) I'll take it. Plus I'll get to take the pup to the game.

Hope UT and OU both clean house...Big XII would end up #1, #2 and #5 in the nation.

SLC

12-09-2008, 11:10 PM

Hey...it is what it is.
11-1 (and the 1 could almost count as 2) I'll take it. Plus I'll get to take the pup to the game.

Hope UT and OU both clean house...Big XII would end up #1, #2 and #5 in the nation.

I hope ya'll enjoy the game.. I'm likely going myself.

Eh... If OU wins, I guess we might have a split title... So there may be a silver lining.. Likely I will not root for that though. Tech is proly a different story.. My dad lives in Mississippi and he is an MSU fan so I wont want Ole Miss to win.

I'm hearing there is some good off season work going on with them boys.. Tell JR to work hard... its his line next season.

pied

12-09-2008, 11:21 PM

ou sucks

lonny23

12-09-2008, 11:32 PM

I heard people saying this year that Harrell had more talent around him than Colt. Since when did Tech have more talent all across the field than Texas? I'll give Tech develops and coaches people up more, but Texas starts off with a lead every year.

lonny23

12-09-2008, 11:40 PM

OU lost to Texas. Bradford didn't lose to McCoy, unless you say 308 yds/1 td vs 387 yds/5 tds is losing. If you do, despite seeing the facts on the screen, believe that... this cyber-conversation is over. No need to waste my time on a guy who can't see or comprehend factual data.

And Harrell doesn't play in a gimmicky offense. His Spread-O is pretty simple, while still diverse and dangerous. Tebow would be the guy who runs the gimmicky offense w/ a handfull of Noel Devine's running about.
Just like Bradford didn't lose to McCoy, Harrell didn't lose to Bradford.

This was Harrell vs. OU:

33/55 passing (60%)
361 yards
6.6 an attempt
3 TD's
1 INT

Harrell did fumble once, but he wasn't the guy that gave up 625 yards to OU.

The media would have us believe that losing to OU by so much should disqualify him. If he threw 4 INT's I'd agree. He lost so badly because Tech never shut down OU's offense and he couldn't keep up.

Now saying that, I expect he'll finish 4th.

lonny23

12-09-2008, 11:53 PM

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Dont hate me JR.. I couldn't resist...:D
You know, I'm looking forward to the game. Ole Miss is 8-4, but they're getting a lot of respect these days by beating Florida and almost winning at 'bama. Tech will probably do more good beating the Rebels than if they'd played Utah, Va Tech, or Cincinnati.

Tech playing in front of a packed Red Raiders crowd in Dallas will be better than if they'd played in the Orange Bowl.

Sure, we wanted a BCS bowl and I think they'll make the Cotton a BCS bowl in the next few years and change that 2 teams to a conference rule, but I have this to look forward to:

1. I wanted a chance for Tech to beat a SEC team in a bowl.
2. Tech has never won 12 games in a season.
3. Tech has never finished a year in the Top 10 (Not even the 2 times they finished with 1 loss or the 10-2 year in 1976)
4. Tech has a good shot at being in the Top 5.
5. When it's all over 12-1 and winning the Cotton Bowl would be better than 11-2 and losing a BCS bowl.

ThEgReAtOnE

12-10-2008, 07:38 AM

Just like Bradford didn't lose to McCoy, Harrell didn't lose to Bradford.

This was Harrell vs. OU:

33/55 passing (60%)
361 yards
6.6 an attempt
3 TD's
1 INT

Harrell did fumble once, but he wasn't the guy that gave up 625 yards to OU.

The media would have us believe that losing to OU by so much should disqualify him. If he threw 4 INT's I'd agree. He lost so badly because Tech never shut down OU's offense and he couldn't keep up.

Now saying that, I expect he'll finish 4th.

Lonny, c'mon.. Harrell lost (head-to-head) to Bradford...

Harrell: 361 yds-6.6 ypa (60% cpt) and 3 tds/1 int vs Bradford: 304 yds-16.0 ypa and 4 tds (74% cpt)

Bradford > Harrell

Dawg Fan

12-10-2008, 07:47 AM

Lonny, c'mon.. Harrell lost (head-to-head) to Bradford...

Harrell: 361 yds-6.6 ypa (60% cpt) and 3 tds/1 int vs Bradford: 304 yds-16.0 ypa and 4 tds (74% cpt)

Bradford > Harrell

I see, so you use the head to head only when it suits your position.

ThEgReAtOnE

12-10-2008, 07:54 AM

I see, so you use the head to head only when it suits your position.

Understand the use of my "head-to-head" phrase. I meant Sam vs Colt.. Sam vs Harrell. Not OU vs UT or OU vs Tech!

Sam doesn't = the entire OU team.
Colt doesn't = the entire UT team.
Harrell doesnt = the entire Tech team.

jtk1519

12-10-2008, 08:00 AM

45-35

ThEgReAtOnE

12-10-2008, 08:23 AM

45-35

33-39

Panther #73

12-10-2008, 08:28 AM

sig

lonny23

12-10-2008, 08:35 AM

Understand the use of my "head-to-head" phrase. I meant Sam vs Colt.. Sam vs Harrell. Not OU vs UT or OU vs Tech!

Sam doesn't = the entire OU team.
Colt doesn't = the entire UT team.
Harrell doesnt = the entire Tech team.
All of that is true and it's also why Harrell didn't lose the game. Tech lost as a team. Part of it was being -2 on turnovers, but those big pass plays and rushing attack from OU did the most damage. Bradford didn't really win the game. He played great, but the whole team played great.

ThEgReAtOnE

12-10-2008, 08:51 AM

All of that is true and it's also why Harrell didn't lose the game. Tech lost as a team. Part of it was being -2 on turnovers, but those big pass plays and rushing attack from OU did the most damage. Bradford didn't really win the game. He played great, but the whole team played great.

Not talking about team. I'm talking about athlete vs athlete. QB vs QB! Sam beat Colt and Harrell. My equating is simple; total yds + (tds - ints). I also add in 4th Qtr tds. When a game is in hand a team will start subbing in back-ups, making it easier for the trailing teams' QB.

Dawg Fan

12-10-2008, 10:12 AM

Not talking about team. I'm talking about athlete vs athlete. QB vs QB! Sam beat Colt and Harrell. My equating is simple; total yds + (tds - ints). I also add in 4th Qtr tds. When a game is in hand a team will start subbing in back-ups, making it easier for the trailing teams' QB.

no your equating is always biased just like everyone else

cajun

12-10-2008, 10:22 AM

It almost seems as if the media is doing its best to hand-shovel Tebow into being a legendary player. Again, don't get me wrong.. he's a damn great athlete. I'm not knocking Tebow, I'm simply saying... 1) If the "QB leader" is reflected in his team, Florida lost 4 games, last year and 2) His statistics don't merit the Heisman, this year. [/SIZE][/FONT]

Speaking of "statistics"....They are a tad overrated in my book....

Jason White won the Heisman Trophy in 2003...Throwing for almost 4000 yards and 40 TD's...He didn't do that great against the SEC...Had a respectable game with a 4-9 Bama then the loss to LSU...

2003-Oklahoma (Big 12)
8/30 vs. North Texas (9-4) W 37 3
9/6 @ Alabama (4-9) W 20 13
9/13 vs. Fresno State (9-5) W 52 28
9/20 vs. UCLA (6-7) W 59 24
10/4 @ *Iowa State (2-10) W 53 7
10/11 vs. *Texas (10-3) W 65 13 @ Dallas, TX
10/18 vs. *Missouri (8-5) W 34 13
10/25 @ *Colorado (5-7) W 34 20
11/1 vs. *Oklahoma State (9-4) W 52 9
11/8 vs. *Texas A&M (4-8) W 77 0
11/15 vs. *Baylor (3-9) W 41 3
11/22 @ *Texas Tech (8-5) W 56 25
12/6 vs. *Kansas State (11-4) L 7 35 @ Kansas City, MO Big 12
Championship
1/4 vs. Louisiana State (13-1) L 14 21
12-2-0
601 214

I'd give the "trophy" to Colt this year, but not because of his stats...I'd have Tebow a close second...Both of these kids did more for their teams-stuff that doesn't show up in the paper...

ThEgReAtOnE

12-10-2008, 10:25 AM

no your equating is always biased just like everyone else

It's hard to be bias vs fact. Technially, it's impossible. Abraham Lincoln was shot and killed. I can't say, well, I think he hung himself or he jumped off of a 20-story building. Fact is... he was shot and killed.

I can argue. Hey, I can be bias... congrats to myself, Im human. However, I like to also present factual data backing my arguments (when that data is available). And yes, I do know how to apply critical thinking.

Critical thinking > #1Dawgfan's man-crush on TGO

BDB

12-10-2008, 10:26 AM

this whole thread makes me lol

ThEgReAtOnE

12-10-2008, 10:36 AM

Speaking of "statistics"....They are a tad overrated in my book....

Jason White won the Heisman Trophy in 2003...Throwing for almost 4000 yards and 40 TD's...He didn't do that great against the SEC...Had a respectable game with a 4-9 Bama then the loss to LSU...

2003-Oklahoma (Big 12)
8/30 vs. North Texas (9-4) W 37 3
9/6 @ Alabama (4-9) W 20 13
9/13 vs. Fresno State (9-5) W 52 28
9/20 vs. UCLA (6-7) W 59 24
10/4 @ *Iowa State (2-10) W 53 7
10/11 vs. *Texas (10-3) W 65 13 @ Dallas, TX
10/18 vs. *Missouri (8-5) W 34 13
10/25 @ *Colorado (5-7) W 34 20
11/1 vs. *Oklahoma State (9-4) W 52 9
11/8 vs. *Texas A&M (4-8) W 77 0
11/15 vs. *Baylor (3-9) W 41 3
11/22 @ *Texas Tech (8-5) W 56 25
12/6 vs. *Kansas State (11-4) L 7 35 @ Kansas City, MO Big 12
Championship
1/4 vs. Louisiana State (13-1) L 14 21
12-2-0
601 214

I'd give the "trophy" to Colt this year, but not because of his stats...I'd have Tebow a close second...Both of these kids did more for their teams-stuff that doesn't show up in the paper...

Oh, I agree that stats can be overrated. Darren McFadden was a beast, last year, in the SEC. I mean he put up 206 yds and 3 tds (in an OT win) vs that vaunted LSU defense... then he went on to barely get 100 yds and a td (in a blowout loss at the Cotton Bowl) vs the "vaunted" Mizzou defense (who had been pwn3d twice to OU).

IMO, neither Tebow nor Colt have been as (or more) impressive as Bradford.

But I get your point.

ThEgReAtOnE

12-10-2008, 10:37 AM

this whole thread makes me lol

These kind of threads usually do/would, given the participating crowd.

Dawg Fan

12-10-2008, 10:40 AM

It's hard to be bias vs fact. Technially, it's impossible. Abraham Lincoln was shot and killed. I can't say, well, I think he hung himself or he jumped off of a 20-story building. Fact is... he was shot and killed.

I can argue. Hey, I can be bias... congrats to myself, Im human. However, I like to also present factual data backing my arguments (when that data is available). And yes, I do know how to apply critical thinking.

Critical thinking > #1Dawgfan's man-crush on TGO

you surround Harrell with the talent OU has on defense and offense and he wins the Heisman hands down. you are not comparing apples to apples.

ThEgReAtOnE

12-10-2008, 10:53 AM

you surround Harrell with the talent OU has on defense and offense and he wins the Heisman hands down. you are not comparing apples to apples.

Apples to apples doesn't = 568 attempts (12 games) to 442 attempts (13 games)!

And, lets look at this for a second. Tech has the "best WR in the Nation". Up until they played OU, they had the "best O-line in the Nation". Defensively, everyone ranting and raving about their ability to shutdown Tejas... but after the OU game they were "mediocre".

Question really is: If Harrell was QB'ing the OU Sooners would he have been as successful (in OU's scheme), as a Redshirt Sophmore (remember, Harrell is a Redshirt Senior)??? I HIGHLY doubt it. Again, that's just my opinion.

BDB

12-10-2008, 10:53 AM

These kind of threads usually do/would, given the participating crowd.

if you knew the whole story, you would be blushing.

cajun

12-10-2008, 10:54 AM

Oh, I agree that stats can be overrated. Darren McFadden was a beast, last year, in the SEC. I mean he put up 206 yds and 3 tds (in an OT win) vs that vaunted LSU defense... then he went on to barely get 100 yds and a td (in a blowout loss at the Cotton Bowl) vs the "vaunted" Mizzou defense (who had been pwn3d twice to OU).

IMO, neither Tebow nor Colt have been as (or more) impressive as Bradford.

But I get your point.

Darren McFadden destroyed us his entire career seemed like....

Arkansas was about as prepared for that game as OU was against West Virginia...OU even had their regular coach...:rolleyes:

That being said:

Chase Daniel was 12-of-29 for a season-low 136 yards with an interception agaisnt Arkansas...Zero TD's....

McFadden ran 21 times for 105 yards and a touchdown but didn't play the fourth quarter...

But I get your point...

CSRadioGuy

12-10-2008, 11:24 AM

blue4020

12-10-2008, 12:41 PM

Personally I was hoping Tech would have finished strong so Harrell could have won it. McCoy and Bradford will have next year to amaze everyone like they did this year. This is just my opinion so take it as you want but I think Bradford will be the best QB next year. I don't know if Oklahoma will be the best team but I think he will really light people up with his arm. You can take the stats and facts this year and make them say what you want, so that makes me think McCoy wins it this year. I just hope the Heisman stays in the Big XII this year because all 3 of those mentioned above deserve it more than Tebow. I don't have anything against him I just don't think he deserves it this year. With all of that being said, good luck to Oklahoma this year. Please make the Big XII look good. I am sick of all the SEC toothless wonders around me saying we can't play defense in our conference. Once again these are only my opinions so take them as you want.

ThEgReAtOnE

12-10-2008, 12:51 PM

No one mentions the fact that Tejas rushed for over 2100 yds and 30 tds, this season. Hell, 4 or 5 players ended up with over 300 yds and 4 or 5+ rush-tds.

Hang on there . . .

It's easy to point out the 2,123 rushing yards that Texas had, but you have to consider two things . . .

1) Oklahoma's rushing game was still more successful -- 2,672 rushing yards.

2) Texas ran for 2,123 but Colt McCoy himself accounted for 576 of those rushing yards and ran for 10 TD himself. That means the rest of the team only ran for 1,547.

3) To be fair, we'll factor Bradford's rushing totals in to Oklahoma as well . . . 65 yards, meaning the Oklahoma running game still gave him 2,607 yards of support.

There's your facts, sir. I know you're all about them.

Yes, I posted those same stats a week ago. Colt being the leading rusher, means nothing to me, other than his protection brokedown and he scrambled, a ton of times, for 10 yds or 15 yds, here and there. And yes... I'm aware Tejas ran the Zone Read a few times. At the same time, Bradford performed exceptionally well in every single game, this year. Colt had only 1 1-td game.. and that was against OU. In the same game, Sam had 5 tds. Its not by a huge margin that I place Sam over McCoy.. but I place Sam over McCoy, none-the-less!

cajun

12-10-2008, 01:56 PM

Please make the Big XII look good. I am sick of all the SEC toothless wonders around me saying we can't play defense in our conference. Once again these are only my opinions so take them as you want.

If we can't beat Florida, what makes you think someone from the Big 12 can?

Signed:

Roll Tide!

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pied

12-10-2008, 02:02 PM

[QUOTE=CSRadioGuy;1051180]

Yes, I posted those same stats a week ago. Colt being the leading rusher, means nothing to me, other than his protection brokedown and he scrambled, a ton of times, for 10 yds or 15 yds, here and there. And yes... I'm aware Tejas ran the Zone Read a few times. At the same time, Bradford performed exceptionally well in every single game, this year. Colt had only 1 1-td game.. and that was against OU. In the same game, Sam had 5 tds. Its not by a huge margin that I place Sam over McCoy.. but I place Sam over McCoy, none-the-less!

When were Colt and Sam on the field together?

When Colt was wearing the Golden HAt?

WestPlano006

12-10-2008, 02:07 PM

I don't think it's worth arguing over this TGO. Let the Texas fans chat amongst themselves on how they deserve the world given to them, and when it doesn't happen, we can sit back and laugh at them as they cry us a river.

WestPlano006

12-10-2008, 02:09 PM

If we can't beat Florida, what makes you think someone from the Big 12 can?

Signed:

Roll Tide!

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e151/falion/redneck3.jpg

Tide = overrated

Redneck = lol

tayb

12-10-2008, 02:19 PM

yankee

12-10-2008, 02:47 PM

oklahoma fan started this thread about how overrated tebow is and then it morphed into something else...

fify

CSRadioGuy

12-10-2008, 02:48 PM

Yes, I posted those same stats a week ago. Colt being the leading rusher, means nothing to me, other than his protection brokedown and he scrambled, a ton of times, for 10 yds or 15 yds, here and there. And yes... I'm aware Tejas ran the Zone Read a few times. At the same time, Bradford performed exceptionally well in every single game, this year. Colt had only 1 1-td game.. and that was against OU. In the same game, Sam had 5 tds. Its not by a huge margin that I place Sam over McCoy.. but I place Sam over McCoy, none-the-less!

That's right, because it's Bradford that kept McCoy off the field. I see. The fact that McCoy's lone 1-TD game was against OU has nothing to do with Bradford, unless that was him that accounted for the 3 broken up passes by the OU defense. Nope, that was Jackson, Clayton and Robinson. Maybe Bradford got the 4 sacks on him . . . wait, no that was Gerald McCoy (no relation) with 2, Beal with 1 and Davis with 1. And I think the bad offensive line and the difficult time the receivers have had getting open this season only solidifies the argument in FAVOR of McCoy. The guy runs away from a blitz, avoids a 5+ yard loss and a sack and picks up 15. You're telling me that doesn't mean anything?

Well, maybe Colt was the one in the secondary getting burned allowing the 28 completions . . . wait, no, that wasn't him either . . .

Unless both McCoy and Bradford were passing against the same defense you can't base your argument on that, and you should know that as well as I do. If you take Bradford off the Sooner team and you still have a very good football team.

Take McCoy away and you have Shipley and that's really it. Most everyone expected OU to run away with the Big XII this season and finish worst-case 10-2 or best-case 12-0 and play for the NC. The expectation for Texas was to play a good game vs. OU, and maybe finally beat A&M but get tripped up somewhere else on the schedule and finish at-best 10-2 if not 9-3 or even 8-4. I went into the RRS expecting OU to roll, personally. But McCoy has been one of the leaders on this team that has pulled them to achieve exceptionally well. I'm thrilled that they're at least in a BCS game this season. That's awesome.

But alas, much like the RRS I think Bradford will probably win. That's the way it goes.

tayb

12-10-2008, 02:54 PM

fify

...these silly media-entities keep saying Bradford had a lot around him, therefore that's why he saw so much success? A) He didn't have any 1st Round WR's, B) Many thought, up until the 6 th game of the season, that OU's O-line wasn't as good as advertised and B) Murray just showed up in about Week 7 of the season... after starting out slow, following his knee issue.

First, the media (mainly ESPN and associates..) who were running an out of this world campaign for Coltsy. He beat OU! He was the leading rusher of his team! He's tough and.. a good lookin' kid! No one mentions the fact that Tejas rushed for over 2100 yds and 30 tds, this season. Hell, 4 or 5 players ended up with over 300 yds and 4 or 5+ rush-tds. And... head-to-head... Sam destroyed Coltsy in the RRS.. 5 tds to 1 td.

When things equal out, from the leadership and character standpoint, that leaves statistical data - especially during the tough or losing games. No one... NO ONE.. was more impressive than Bradford, all year long!

Yeah... you right. Clearly the purpose of this thread was just to bash on Tebow. No selling of Bradford or downplaying of McCoy what-so-ever. :rolleyes:

BDB

12-10-2008, 03:17 PM

If we can't beat Florida, what makes you think someone from the Big 12 can?

Signed:

Roll Tide!

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dude...that's sclorch....

Hookin'Em

12-10-2008, 03:19 PM

colt is much better than bradford or tebo man ever1 can tell that who thinks diffrently just liying to themselves. who won the red river rivalryu wut? who is singlehandly the best UT qb ever, prolly best period except for VY wut? Yea that s wut i thougth

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BDB

12-10-2008, 03:21 PM

Hookin'Em

12-10-2008, 03:22 PM

i hope russia loses all their potatoes.....

wut that makes no sense at all

BDB

12-10-2008, 03:23 PM

wut that makes no sense at all

manny makes man-love to cherry while coach V tapes it all.....

SLC

12-10-2008, 03:38 PM

dude...that's sclorch....

Hahahahahahahaha....:notworthy

WestPlano006

12-10-2008, 05:45 PM

oklahoma fan started this thread... :confused:

Yes, which is exactly why I said he shouldn't argue about it. Thank you for further validating my post by stating the obvious.

JMSFan

12-10-2008, 06:31 PM

SLC

12-11-2008, 09:00 AM

For whatever it's worth... The Oklahoman Newspaper is reporting that they have conducted a poll of 100 Heisman voters and Sam Bradford got 2-1 votes to win the Heisman over Colt McCoy...

Even though voting closed Wednesday, the final tallies won’t be announced until Saturday night in New York City.

Frankly, we don’t want to wait that long. The Oklahoman conducted an exit poll of Heisman voters, soliciting ballots from 100 pollsters who are members of the media.

The winner: Sam Bradford.

http://newsok.com/bradford-captures-exit-poll-of-100-heisman-voters/article/3329246?custom_click=lead_story_title

If the poll is correct then congrats to Sam... I hope it is not, as I believe Colt should win it... But honestly you couldnt go wrong either way.