5a player of the year???

[football fanatic]

I notice Southlake Thug has his campaign going for who he thinks should win......

Who else would you nominate???

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Jeremy Claybon.

[Crank_It]

you're just asking for all the southlake fans to come in here and flood this thing with every slc starter on the team.

my pick would be tony green, the guy does everything, well. I wouldnt compare him to a high school version of reggie bush, but more of a romance taylor. offense and all special teams player that goes beyond normal athleticism, sv better stop him because he's their momentum changer.

[football fanatic]

Dimitri Nance

[PawPower]

I notice Southlake Thug has his campaign going for who he thinks should win......

Who else would you nominate???

Mathew Stafford from HP would get my vote if HP were in 5A.

[KT2000]

Dimitri Nance

Nance and McElroy are two of my frontrunners right now. Haven't talked to champ about all state and post-season awards yet. Just gathering information. We'll break it all down during the week of the Div. 2 state game and post the awards before Christmas.

[gritty52]

Dimitri Nance from Trinity!! Almost 3000 yds. and 40 td's. :D :D

[ktchamp97]

Off the top of my head...these guys stick out

Dmitri Nance, RB, Trinity
Christian Ponder, QB, Colleyville Heritage
Jared Norton, LB, Rowlett
Greg McElroy, QB, Carroll
Bradley Stephens, RB, McAllen Memorial (Jr.)
Vondrell McGee, RB, Longview

[southlake thug]

I would agree that Dmitri and McElroy are the frontrunners. McElroy still has some more to prove, and I expect him to exceed the critics expectations. If he was playing past halftime his numbers would be siickkkkk.

[dada]

Off the top of my head...these guys stick out

Dmitri Nance, RB, Trinity
Christian Ponder, QB, Colleyville Heritage
Jared Norton, LB, Rowlett
Greg McElroy, QB, Carroll
Bradley Stephens, RB, McAllen Memorial (Jr.)
Vondrell McGee, RB, Longview
McElroy getting consideration for player of the Year is like Texas Tech having an heisman canidate at QB every year. You can plug ME into that system and get the same results...lol. I would vote for Nance.

I will now go get my baseball bat and prepare to defend myself from the Dragon Nation:D

[southlake thug]

McElroy getting consideration for player of the Year is like Texas Tech having an heisman canidate at QB every year. You can plug ME into that system and get the same results...lol. I would vote for Nance.

I will now go get my baseball bat and prepare to defend myself from the Dragon Nation:D


How can you say that! Have you seen ET O-Line?

[Favpack]

Please disregard any personal achievements of Lufkin Panthers this year - it seems to bring us more victories. Totally forget the fact that Leonard Hewitt has intercepted 19 passes in two years and run 3 back for TD's - that's 8 int's this year and two returned for td's - and he only gets thrown at 2-3 times a game. Throw in 5 punt returns over 40 yards. Ok, sorry - as I said - forget about Leonard - give it to someone else. ;)

[dada]

How can you say that! Have you seen ET O-Line?
I think my player of the year argument is the same argument I have for the Heisman trophy...Player of the year should be a difference maker.....Take McElroy away from SLC and they could STILL be the best team in the state. McElroy is a part of a well oiled Machine that can be replaced. Take Bush away from USC and they could still be #1 in the Country. Take Nance away from Trinity and Young away from Texas and you don't have the same teams. See my point?

[southlake thug]

McElroy getting consideration for player of the Year is like Texas Tech having an heisman canidate at QB every year. You can plug ME into that system and get the same results...lol. I would vote for Nance.

I will now go get my baseball bat and prepare to defend myself from the Dragon Nation:D


I could run for 4,000 yds. and 50 td's in with that O-Line. They would call me Emmitt if I played for them.

[southlake thug]

I think my player of the year argument is the same argument I have for the Heisman trophy...Player of the year should be a difference maker.....Take McElroy away from SLC and they could STILL be the best team in the state. McElroy is a part of a well oiled Machine that can be replaced. Take Bush away from USC and they could still be #1 in the Country. Take Nance away from Trinity and Young away from Texas and you don't have the same teams. See my point?



I understand your logic, even though I don't agree. It is a respectable point of view though.

[dada]

I could run for 4,000 yds. and 50 td's in with that O-Line. They would call me Emmitt if I played for them.
So you are agreeing with me about McElroy....right?:D

[southlake thug]

So you are agreeing with me about McElroy....right?:D

Haha. NO.

Nance has more to work with. McElroy could put up the same rushing numbers as Nance if he was in the offense. And O yeah, he can pass the ball alright also.

McElroy has a great supporting cast, but he is the most important piece of that offense. The O didn't miss a step with Tre out, as well as when Clint was injured earlier in the year.

He has great WR's, RB, and O-Line... but there aren't to many guys that can throw the ball like he can.

[dada]

Haha. NO.

Nance has more to work with. McElroy could put up the same rushing numbers as Nance if he was in the offense. And O yeah, he can pass the ball alright also.

McElroy has a great supporting cast, but he is the most important piece of that offense. The O didn't miss a step with Tre out, as well as when Clint was injured earlier in the year.

He has great WR's, RB, and O-Line... but there aren't to many guys that can throw the ball like he can.
But you saying "Have you seen ET's O-Line" is the same as saying "Do you see the system they run at SLC". Greg could have went down and Riley could have stepped right in without missing a beat.

Trinity wouldn't have been where they are now without Nance.

[ktchamp97]

Please disregard any personal achievements of Lufkin Panthers this year - it seems to bring us more victories. Totally forget the fact that Leonard Hewitt has intercepted 19 passes in two years and run 3 back for TD's - that's 8 int's this year and two returned for td's - and he only gets thrown at 2-3 times a game. Throw in 5 punt returns over 40 yards. Ok, sorry - as I said - forget about Leonard - give it to someone else. ;)

Both Hewitt and Roberts are locks for 1st team All-State. They could be on the above list when it's all said and done.

[chickenheart]

Please disregard any personal achievements of Lufkin Panthers this year - it seems to bring us more victories. Totally forget the fact that Leonard Hewitt has intercepted 19 passes in two years and run 3 back for TD's - that's 8 int's this year and two returned for td's - and he only gets thrown at 2-3 times a game. Throw in 5 punt returns over 40 yards. Ok, sorry - as I said - forget about Leonard - give it to someone else. ;)
I would pick the entire Plano Wildcat team for playing as a team. No individual recognition here although QB Mark Sfikas wouldn't be a bad candidate.

[southlake thug]

I would pick the entire Plano Wildcat team for playing as a team. No individual recognition here although QB Mark Sfikas wouldn't be a bad candidate.


Please, this is a serious thread. That is just a ridiculously bad answer.

[southlake thug]

But you saying "Have you seen ET's O-Line" is the same as saying "Do you see the system they run at SLC". Greg could have went down and Riley could have stepped right in without missing a beat.

Trinity wouldn't have been where they are now without Nance.


Handy could put up some crazy numbers if Nance went down. I am not sure of his numbers anyway this year, but I know they were pretty solid. I have only seen ET once this year, and I dont really follow them to much but it seems kind of like thesituation with Dodge at SLC, and Handy at ET.

[gritty52]

If Nance would have played whole games he would be most likely going for 3500-4000 yds. 50 td's with ease. I was hoping no one would bring up the not playing a whole game thing. Also as I have said a million times being a great player isn't based on a ME thing, and Dimitri will be the first to tell you he is a TEAM player. His line has helped him,:D and I bet Mcelroy would tell you without his line he couldn't do his job!!!!!!!!!!!

[TIGER]

Off the top of my head...these guys stick out

Dmitri Nance, RB, Trinity
Christian Ponder, QB, Colleyville Heritage
Jared Norton, LB, Rowlett
Greg McElroy, QB, Carroll
Bradley Stephens, RB, McAllen Memorial (Jr.)
Vondrell McGee, RB, Longview


Nobody did more with less then this Stephens guy. He took McAllen Memorial from the bottom of the district to the playoffs for the 1st time in 10 years and the
2nd time in the schools 20 yr existance. Led Texas 5A regular season in rushing with 2633 yds & 38 TD'S in only 10 games. Consistantly played against 9 & 10 men fronts with 1 or two dedicated spies every game. He is just a junior but his stats speak volumes. According to a recent Rivals article http://tamu.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=485708 he has over 5400 career rushing yards and with a little better season next year would move into the #3 spot in front of Cedric Benson in the Texas All Time leading career rushing catagory. Besides his new junior highlight videos looks sic.

http://imageevent.com/mcallentxrb/bradleystephensmcallenmemorialrb

[SeguinMatadors]

Please disregard any personal achievements of Lufkin Panthers this year - it seems to bring us more victories. Totally forget the fact that Leonard Hewitt has intercepted 19 passes in two years and run 3 back for TD's - that's 8 int's this year and two returned for td's - and he only gets thrown at 2-3 times a game. Throw in 5 punt returns over 40 yards. Ok, sorry - as I said - forget about Leonard - give it to someone else. ;)

That is impressive but I got a corner on my squad in Seguin, Junior Desmond Jackson, who let me say now he SHOULDN'T be mentioned for player of the year, who intercepted 6 passes and returned 4 of them for touchdowns this year. Keep in mind he rarely gets thrown to. He also returned a punt and a kick for a touchdown. Too bad the guy doesn't have his head on straight, he didn't play the last game of the season against Clemens or the playoff game against Judson because he failed a class. Word is that he was really disapointed about the way this season ended and is working hard to get ready for his senior season. If he was at a more dominate program there is no doubt in my mind he would be metioned as the top corner in the state coming back this year. 6'1 185 running a 4.4 with great cover skills.

[dragons08]

Greg Mcelroy

[dragonfootballfan]

The best player that I have seen this year is Ponder from Colleyville Heritage. The two with the best statistics are Bradley Stephens and Greg McElroy. I think that it should come down to these three.

[yankee]

McElroy=MVP

[SeguinMatadors]

McElroy=MVP

If it were a Most Valuable Player award, no way McElroy gets it. SLC would be great with their backup qb which depleats his value.

[ruffshod]

Chykie Brown.

[dragonfootballfan]

If it were a Most Valuable Player award, no way McElroy gets it. SLC would be great with their backup qb which depleats his value.
so a good backup quarterback should prevent someone from getting an award? I don't buy that.

[TXfbfan]

so a good backup quarterback should prevent someone from getting an award? I don't buy that.

I can buy that. How is he most valuble if they can win with out him

[dragonfootballfan]

I can buy that. How is he most valuble if they can win with out him
So any player that has a good backup should be out of contention for this award. If Carroll had two McElroys on their team he would not be able to get the award?

[SeguinMatadors]

so a good backup quarterback should prevent someone from getting an award? I don't buy that.

No, but if this were the Most Valuable Player award it should go to the most valuable player to his team. There are tons of quaterbacks you can plug into SLC's offense and win the state championship with including his backup; therefor there is no way he can be that valuable

[TXfbfan]

So any player that has a good backup should be out of contention for this award. If Carroll had two McElroys on their team he would not be able to get the award?

All im saying is there are many other QB can do the same thing that McElroy does in that system. Its like at Katy and SV. Its not one individual that makes them great but the program

[dragonfootballfan]

No, but if this were the Most Valuable Player award it should go to the most valuable player to his team. There are tons of quaterbacks you can plug into SLC's offense and win the state championship with including his backup; therefor there is no way he can be that valuable
where is the proof of this statement. In the last three seasons Carroll has had a division 1 quarterback. Those guys are not just anybody off of the street. I don't think that a team's success should hinder somebody in their pursuit for an award

[yankee]

If it were a Most Valuable Player award, no way McElroy gets it. SLC would be great with their backup qb which depleats his value.
but hey! its not an mvp so get over it! and no, slc wouldnt be great,at least not the team they are now. riley's good, but he has learning to do.

[dragonfootballfan]

All im saying is there are many other QB can do the same thing that McElroy does in that system. Its like at Katy and SV. Its not one individual that makes them great but the program
How can you make a statement like this without any proof? The past three Carroll quarterbacks are either playing or will play at the next level. Those are not just joe blow quarterbacks.

[SeguinMatadors]

where is the proof of this statement. In the last three seasons Carroll has had a division 1 quarterback. Those guys are not just anybody off of the street. I don't think that a team's success should hinder somebody in their pursuit for an award

Just by watching that team play. I bet there are 300 QB's in the state that can win a championship with SLC. A teams success should not hinder someones persuit of a personal award but he simply isn't THAT valuable.

[yankee]

Just by watching that team play. I bet there are 300 QB's in the state that can win a championship with SLC. A teams success should not hinder someones persuit of a personal award but he simply isn't THAT valuable.
i assure you, there are a lot less qb's that can win with slc.

[TXfbfan]

Its like Texas Tech's QB Hodges is he that good or is it the program. Think about it because if its all by statistics Techs QB should win Heisman every year

[dragonfootballfan]

Its like Texas Tech's QB Hodges is he that good or is it the program. Think about it because if its all by statistics Techs QB should win Heisman every year
when was the last time the quarterback of Texas Tech was the leader of an undefeated team?

[dragonfootballfan]

Just by watching that team play. I bet there are 300 QB's in the state that can win a championship with SLC. A teams success should not hinder someones persuit of a personal award but he simply isn't THAT valuable.
that is your opinion, although a foolish one. I wonder why there are less than 300 quarterbacks that will be receiving division 1 scholarships in Texas?

[MRmaverick]

I think my player of the year argument is the same argument I have for the Heisman trophy...Player of the year should be a difference maker.....Take McElroy away from SLC and they could STILL be the best team in the state. McElroy is a part of a well oiled Machine that can be replaced. Take Bush away from USC and they could still be #1 in the Country. Take Nance away from Trinity and Young away from Texas and you don't have the same teams. See my point?

lets not go that far take bush away from usc and they may have lost a couple. Anyways how bout andy dalton, great stats for a katy qb

[yankee]

Its like Texas Tech's QB Hodges is he that good or is it the program. Think about it because if its all by statistics Techs QB should win Heisman every year
its a mixture of both. colleges get interested in a team like slc b/c they have a history of winning. but you have to be an extremely good player, like mcelroy is. you could say the same thing about bush. yeah hes good, like mcelroy, or is it the program thats so good, like usc's.

[SeguinMatadors]

that is your opinion, although a foolish one. I wonder why there are less than 300 quarterbacks that will be receiving division 1 scholarships in Texas?

I didn't say all of them are as good as McLeroy(although he is the least talented of the recent SLC QB's) or could play D1 ... I am just saying that about 300 could win a state championship with SLC.

[TXfbfan]

OMG how do i put this so that you will see it.Ill try one more time. The SlC QB to come after him and the one after him and the one after him, will all put up the same stats, its not because he is a unique talent like Vince Youn Cedric Benson or Jamal Charles were in hs but because of the system he is in

[FootballJunkie]

its a mixture of both. colleges get interested in a team like slc b/c they have a history of winning. but you have to be an extremely good player, like mcelroy is. you could say the same thing about bush. yeah hes good, like mcelroy, or is it the program thats so good, like usc's.

I would agree with you except that Carson Palmer came out of the USC "system" and he is pretty good. Perhaps the SLC QB is pretty good regadless of the "system".

[Dragonuncle]

Just by watching that team play. I bet there are 300 QB's in the state that can win a championship with SLC. A teams success should not hinder someones persuit of a personal award but he simply isn't THAT valuable.

Jerry Jones would you please report back to Texas Stadium your team needs you. Just like his quote about Jimmy Johnson. How did that work our for ya Jerry/Seguin

[TXfbfan]

its a mixture of both. colleges get interested in a team like slc b/c they have a history of winning. but you have to be an extremely good player, like mcelroy is. you could say the same thing about bush. yeah hes good, like mcelroy, or is it the program thats so good, like usc's.

Yea but next year will Usc be as good without him, no. Slc will do fine without Mcelroy next year.

[dragonfootballfan]

I didn't say all of them are as good as McLeroy(although he is the least talented of the recent SLC QB's) or could play D1 ... I am just saying that about 300 could win a state championship with SLC.
The most important position on Carroll's team is the quarterback. You are saying that if you replace the most important player on Carroll with someone that is worse than the kid that they currently have, they would be able to have the same amount of success. That does not make any sense. The most important player on the team cannot be replaced by the, at best, 300th best quarterback in the state.

[TXfbfan]

I would agree with you except that Carson Palmer came out of the USC "system" and he is pretty good. Perhaps the SLC QB is pretty good regadless of the "system".

Who was Usc before Carson Palmer and Matt leinart and Bush. They werent anything. They wont be anything after them

[dragonfootballfan]

OMG how do i put this so that you will see it.Ill try one more time. The SlC QB to come after him and the one after him and the one after him, will all put up the same stats, its not because he is a unique talent like Vince Youn Cedric Benson or Jamal Charles were in hs but because of the system he is in
there is no way to tell if the Carroll quarterback would not have as much success if he were in a different system.

[dragonfootballfan]

Who was Usc before Carson Palmer and Matt leinart and Bush. They werent anything. They wont be anything after them
actually pete carroll was the difference there

[TXfbfan]

The most important position on Carroll's team is the quarterback. You are saying that if you replace the most important player on Carroll with someone that is worse than the kid that they currently have, they would be able to have the same amount of success. That does not make any sense. The most important player on the team cannot be replaced by the, at best, 300th best quarterback in the state.

no were saying there are alot of kids in the state that could fill in for him and do the same job

[Dragonuncle]

Guys, No system will work at any level of any sport without the athletes to execute said system. So if it is only this system can we draft piratebacker to lead us to the State Championship next year. Sheeesh!!:D

[dragonfootballfan]

no were saying there are alot of kids in the state that could fill in for him and do the same job
I want proof before you continue to make this statement. You cannot make statements and present them as facts if you do not have proof.

[TXfbfan]

there is no way to tell if the Carroll quarterback would not have as much success if he were in a different system.
Are you kidding?:eek:

[ftballin11]

Coach Dodge seems to have a liking in this back up QB behind McElroy... I wonder why McElroy only plays half the game when he does so good. Oh yeah, it's his son who is a underclassmen who is not as good as McElroy but gets PLENTY of experience. Programs can lose players like McElroy or McNeil for a&m but they still have other players around them to keep the program running. McElroy has so much to work with this year that I don't think he qualifies for the player of the year. Nance, in my opinion, wins player of the year.

[dragonfootballfan]

Are you kidding?:eek:
then prove it

[TXfbfan]

I want proof before you continue to make this statement. You cannot make statements and present them as facts if you do not have proof.
How do you want proof do you want me to call ddodge and tell him to put some random person at QB next game.

[ftballin11]

then prove it


how many D1 prospects does southlake have?... J/w

[SeguinMatadors]

I want proof before you continue to make this statement. You cannot make statements and present them as facts if you do not have proof.

There is no way we could prove it. As knowledgable football fans we can make observations that lead to conclusions.

[dragonfootballfan]

How do you want proof do you want me to call ddodge and tell him to put some random person at QB next game.
exactly. Do not present your opinions as a definite fact unless you can back it up. Since there is no evidence to point in your direction do not use that opinion to try and denigrate a player that has had an MVP caliber season and put up MVP caliber numbers.

[TXfbfan]

So your saying its just buy chance that both Daniel and MC are consecutively the best hs players in the past two years or is it the system

[dragonfootballfan]

There is no way we could prove it. As knowledgable football fans we can make observations that lead to conclusions.
then don't put down a player using something that cannot be proven and present it as fact.

[TXfbfan]

exactly. Do not present your opinions as a definite fact unless you can back it up. Since there is no evidence to point in your direction do not use that opinion to try and denigrate a player that has had an MVP caliber season and put up MVP caliber numbers.

Is this his daddy.

[dragons08]

So your saying its just buy chance that both Daniel and MC are consecutively the best hs players in the past two years or is it the system
both

chase and greg were both phenoimnal players! look at chase at mizzou as a freshman led them back for a come from behind ot win when he played, hes 2nd string in COLLEGE

[FootballJunkie]

Who was Usc before Carson Palmer and Matt leinart and Bush. They werent anything. They wont be anything after them


I said Palmer was good...regardless of the system. I don't know what USC will do after they are all gone we will see next year. Someone said that the SLC QB was only good because of the system. They used Palmer as an example of a QB in a good system. I said perhaps those 2 QB's are good no matter the system.

[TXfbfan]

use logic and not a biased point of view

[dragons08]

Is this his daddy.
if it is you better be scared then, his dad is huge!

[TXfbfan]

I said Palmer was good...regardless of the system. I don't know what USC will do after they are all gone we will see next year. Someone said that the SLC QB was only good because of the system. They used Palmer as an example of a QB in a good system. I said perhaps those 2 QB's are good no matter the system.
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no i said that program was good right now because of bush palmer and leinart but it wont continue

[SeguinMatadors]

then don't put down a player using something that cannot be proven and present it as fact.

There is hardly fact in football. We are not putting him down, we have all said he was good, just not worthy of the award MVP as many players could fill his shoes.

[TXfbfan]

people like Benson in hs put them at the next level. see wut happens with out him

[Dragonuncle]

Seguin, did your go to the Jerry Jones school of higher learning.:rolleyes:

[dragonfootballfan]

So your saying its just buy chance that both Daniel and MC are consecutively the best hs players in the past two years or is it the system
Is that form of the word "buy" supposed to be some sort of play on words for Caroll "buying" the award, or was it just a typographical mistake

[TXfbfan]

if people couldnt post without proof over 3/4 the posts would be gone

[TXfbfan]

Is that form of the word "buy" supposed to be some sort of play on words for Caroll "buying" the award, or was it just a typographical mistake

no, it was a mis

[dragons08]

if people couldnt post without proof over 3/4 the posts would be gone
i challenge that

[SeguinMatadors]

Seguin, did your go to the Jerry Jones school of higher learning.:rolleyes:

I sure as hell wish I did if it would make me a billionaire.

[ftballin11]

Is that form of the word "buy" supposed to be some sort of play on words for Caroll "buying" the award, or was it just a typographical mistake


Typo... wouldn't make sence otherwise

[dragonfootballfan]

There is hardly fact in football. We are not putting him down, we have all said he was good, just not worthy of the award MVP as many players could fill his shoes.
tell me which high school quarterbacks could and a legitimate different reason why each one would be able to do it. If you cannot, then I do not see how you can back up your claims

[SeguinMatadors]

i challenge that

No, you are posting proof of that.:p

[dragonfootballfan]

Typo... wouldn't make sence otherwise
I will wait for his reply

[SeguinMatadors]

tell me which high school quarterbacks could and a legitimate different reason why each one would be able to do it. If you cannot, then I do not see how you can back up your claims

I will but I am about to head to the Library so I will need time.

[dragonfootballfan]

I will but I am about to head to the Library so I will need time.
there better be 300 quarterbacks on that list

[ftballin11]

He replied on page 4... very bottom

[TXfbfan]

i challenge that
thats what this board is about putting your opinion out there
it wouldnt be fun if all we did was facts because theres no passion

[dragons08]

No, you are posting proof of that.:p
what? you should be agreeing with me..how many of my posts are based off of "proof"? the threads startred on the main board and others are based on proof, then the rest are just opionins that majoirty of the time dont come from proof

[TXfbfan]

So your saying its just buy chance that both Daniel and MC are consecutively the best hs players in the past two years or is it the system

reply to that

[dragons08]

thats what this board is about putting your opinion out there
it wouldnt be fun if all we did was facts because theres no passion
i know, thats why i challenged your idea of "3/4 of posts would be gone if people coulnt post w/o proof"

[SeguinMatadors]

there better be 300 quarterbacks on that list

Can't be serious. I will give you 10.. I don't know every QB in the state nor do I have the time to research them. I think SLC could win with an average QB.

[TXfbfan]

what? you should be agreeing with me..how many of my posts are based off of "proof"? the threads startred on the main board and others are based on proof, then the rest are just opionins that majoirty of the time dont come from proof

tell ur friend that. he asking for proof

[dragons08]

Can't be serious. I will give you 10.. I don't know every QB in the state nor do I have the time to research them. I think SLC could win with an average QB.
i think your wrong, an SLC qb needs an ARM to get it to the wr's, mcleroy is something speical just watch that highlight and you'll see how good he really is

[SeguinMatadors]

i think your wrong, an SLC qb needs an ARM to get it to the wr's, mcleroy is something speical just watch that highlight and you'll see how good he really is

I have seen him play on FSN.

[dragons08]

tell ur friend that. he asking for proof
you guys should say you THINK it and give him reasons to why you think it, now just say any qb can do it.... i understand both sides of this mess

[ftballin11]

Again, I ask... how many D1 prospects are on the Southlake team?

[dragons08]

I have seen him play on FSN.
so you know that he is one of the best then and isnt just a "product of the system"

[TXfbfan]

i think your wrong, an SLC qb needs an ARM to get it to the wr's, mcleroy is something speical just watch that highlight and you'll see how good he really is

carrols o is like techs a good qb Hodeges but nothing great. Vince Young

[dragons08]

Again, I ask... how many D1 prospects are on the Southlake team?
like 8 or 9 could be more...theres a thread about it

[TXfbfan]

you guys should say you THINK it and give him reasons to why you think it, now just say any qb can do it.... i understand both sides of this mess

have u been reading my post ive been saying why i think it. He says give me proof.

[ftballin11]

Out of those 8 or 9... how many of which are on offense

[SeguinMatadors]

so you know that he is one of the best then and isnt just a "product of the system"

Not one of the best. He is good and no one is debating that. We are simply saying that many QB's could win with SLC, so how can he be the MVP?

[Dragonuncle]

Seguin, I thought you were at the library. Just curious if they could win this year without Mcelroy with your other 10-300 QB's would be because of the system or the other 60 odd players he would be playing with on this team?

[TXfbfan]

Not one of the best. He is good and no one is debating that. We are simply saying that many QB's could win with SLC, so how can he be the MVP?

Slc most imp position like katy and SV is there coach.

[dragons08]

have u been reading my post ive been saying why i think it. He says give me proof.
oh okay i understand

dragonfootballfan, he cantprove it only can state an opioion

[TXfbfan]

Seguin, I thought you were at the library. Just curious if they could win this year without Mcelroy with your other 10-300 QB's would be because of the system or the other 60 odd players he would be playing with on this team?

Thats what were saying

[ftballin11]

Nobody is taking away from McElroy, everyone is stating the same opinion... MC is good but he has so much to work with that he could not be called an MVP. Nance is a one man wrecking crew... and maybe his o-line could get a LITTLE credit;)

[TXfbfan]

oh okay i understand

dragonfootballfan, he cantprove it only can state an opioion

Thank u i can finally stop typing 100 miles an hour to get my point across

[TXfbfan]

Nobody is taking away from McElroy, everyone is stating the same opinion... MC is good but he has so much to work with that he could not be called an MVP. Nance is a one man wrecking crew... and maybe his o-line could get a LITTLE credit;)

Yes

[SeguinMatadors]

Seguin, I thought you were at the library. Just curious if they could win this year without Mcelroy with your other 10-300 QB's would be because of the system or the other 60 odd players he would be playing with on this team?

I am about to go to the library shortly. This board keeps distracting me!

They could win with numerous QB's because of the system and the great coaching and the other great players around the QB SLC has.

[dragonfootballfan]

reply to that
Daniel is a great player who had a great career which included going 31-1 as a quarterback and 47-1 overall while playing on the varsity squad at Carroll. Daniel was the leader of the best offense in Texas for two years and compiled some great numbers. His numbers were do to his ability and not a system that he was in. Chase has since excelled at the next level where in Missouri he lead his team back in the fourth quarter and eventually helped his team to win in overtime.

McElroy is also a great player who will be continuing his career at the next level. So far as a starter he has a compiled a 13-0 record to go along with some staggering numbers. He is also the leader of the number one ranked team in the state. McElroy has split time with the backup quarterback this season and many will tell you there is almost a different offense when the backup goes in. McElroy is able to pass to all of his targets. He passes the ball to many players on the team and in one game this year he threw touchdown passes to four or five different receivers. McElroy is different from Daniel in that he is not much of a runner, but more than makes up for it with an incredible arm.

McElroy and Daniel were both great quarterbacks, but they were very different players. Daniel was a much bigger running threat, while McElroy relies mainly on his arm. If it was the system that made these players who they are, then why would McElroy be able to have success if he is so different from Daniel?

[yankee]

Yea but next year will Usc be as good without him, no. Slc will do fine without Mcelroy next year.
id like it to be that way, and so would other slc fans, but i think next year will be a "growing" year for slc. riley will have huge shoes to fill and he hasnt played a whole bunch. slc's receiver corps will we heavily depleted. i dont think next year will be as good as this has been so far.

[TXfbfan]

Im already at the library so i can use there comp.

[SeguinMatadors]

Thank u i can finally stop typing 100 miles an hour to get my point across

Don't you just hate when people just don't seem to get it?

[TXfbfan]

id like it to be that way, and so would other slc fans, but i think next year will be a "growing" year for slc. riley will have huge shoes to fill and he hasnt played a whole bunch. slc's receiver corps will we heavily depleted. i dont think next year will be as good as this has been so far.

Yall will be like katy 02'

[dragonfootballfan]

Can't be serious. I will give you 10.. I don't know every QB in the state nor do I have the time to research them. I think SLC could win with an average QB.
Well if you cannot name 300 quarterbacks, then why did you say that earlier?

[TXfbfan]

not much talent, all coaching and tradition

[TXfbfan]

Well if you cannot name 300 quarterbacks, then why did you say that earlier?

He was exagerating alot. I say maybe 7

[dragonfootballfan]

Slc most imp position like katy and SV is there coach.
that does not make any sense. The coach cannot play. He cannot effect the game like a player can.

[SeguinMatadors]

Daniel is a great player who had a great career which included going 31-1 as a quarterback and 47-1 overall while playing on the varsity squad at Carroll. Daniel was the leader of the best offense in Texas for two years and compiled some great numbers. His numbers were do to his ability and not a system that he was in. Chase has since excelled at the next level where in Missouri he lead his team back in the fourth quarter and eventually helped his team to win in overtime.

McElroy is also a great player who will be continuing his career at the next level. So far as a starter he has a compiled a 13-0 record to go along with some staggering numbers. He is also the leader of the number one ranked team in the state. McElroy has split time with the backup quarterback this season and many will tell you there is almost a different offense when the backup goes in. McElroy is able to pass to all of his targets. He passes the ball to many players on the team and in one game this year he threw touchdown passes to four or five different receivers. McElroy is different from Daniel in that he is not much of a runner, but more than makes up for it with an incredible arm.

McElroy and Daniel were both great quarterbacks, but they were very different players. Daniel was a much bigger running threat, while McElroy relies mainly on his arm. If it was the system that made these players who they are, then why would McElroy be able to have success if he is so different from Daniel?

You are making our argument for us. You can throw different QB's with different strong suits onto that team and win with them with those players around them and that coach.

[KT2000]

Txhsfb, I'll never buy into that line of reasoning. No successful program wins without talented football players. Schemes mean nothing without players who have the ability to execute the plan.

[Dragonuncle]

Thats what were saying

Do What? Which one? System or players? If the best player is surrounded by the best talent does that mean he doesn't deserve Player of the Year. Or is it the best player in a great system can't win Player of the Year, no matter the talent around him. Or our you just jealous of both system & player. I'm confused:confused:

[TXfbfan]

in this single thread i went from second teamer to all distric. Thats awsome

[dragonfootballfan]

He was exagerating alot. I say maybe 7
so there is maybe 7 quarterbacks that could do it in Texas, or is that there are 7 in 5a

[SeguinMatadors]

that does not make any sense. The coach cannot play. He cannot effect the game like a player can.

You have got to be kidding me!? A coach makes more of a difference than any one player not named Vince Young in HS football.

[TXfbfan]

well continue this later

[dragonfootballfan]

You are making our argument for us. You can throw different QB's with different strong suits onto that team and win with them with those players around them and that coach.
No I am not making your point. I am saying that it was a different system from McElroy to Daniel with different players

[SeguinMatadors]

so there is maybe 7 quarterbacks that could do it in Texas, or is that there are 7 in 5a

I wasn't exaggerating that much. I believe there are at least 100.

[SeguinMatadors]

in this single thread i went from second teamer to all distric. Thats awsome

I went from All state to All American.

[dragonfootballfan]

You have got to be kidding me!? A coach makes more of a difference than any one player not named Vince Young in HS football.
the coach does not matter as much as the players. To prove this point, you can take a high school team for an entire season and use the best coaches to make them better and you can play against me, who will coach the Dallas Cowboys for an hour before a game and we can see who will win

[southlake thug]

I would love to know how many of these people have actually watched an entire SLC game this year in person. If you do that, you will soon realize that McElroy and Riley Dodge are not on the same level right now. And I can name 12-13 QB's that we have already beaten (exception to Ponder) that McElroy is clearly better then.

The system helps his numbers. But you have got to be smokin on something if you think an average joe can just go in there an execute like he does.

[TIGER]

If you are going by regular season it has to go to Stephens...full season Nance. Nobody has done what Stephens has done in 10 games. It took Nance 13 games to match his numbers. Stephens also sat plenty of games at the half. He had one game where he had 250 yds 5 TD'S in 7 carries. He was done in the first qtr in that game. His status as a Junior should not limit his opportunity to win this award. This kid is a beast and was simply in a league of his own this year.

[ftballin11]

the coach does not matter as much as the players. To prove this point, you can take a high school team for an entire season and use the best coaches to make them better and you can play against me, who will coach the Dallas Cowboys for an hour before a game and we can see who will win

You will also be taking a group of players with MUCH more experience and talent, given why they are in the NFL. Coaching is a key part of a team, but not everything... talent is essential also. I am sure this year that SLC has more D1 prospects this year than usual, but they also have good coaching... like SV, Judson, Katy and I could keep going on and on. Your comparison doesn't prove any point other than NFL players have more ability than high school players.

[dragonfootballfan]

You will also be taking a group of players with MUCH more experience and talent, given why they are in the NFL. Coaching is a key part of a team, but not everything... talent is essential also. I am sure this year that SLC has more D1 prospects this year than usual, but they also have good coaching... like SV, Judson, Katy and I could keep going on and on. Your comparison doesn't prove any point other than NFL players have more ability than high school players.
it proves that it is not the coaches that make the team, but the players. I have heard coaching overrated so much on this board to the point where one Smithson Valley fan who said the only reason that they win is coaching, but the reason that they lost to Churchill was because of their players

[ftballin11]

Which would also be why I stated coaching is not everything... and I can't believe somebody from SV said that haha... I'm not even mad, that's amazing

[rancher52]

it proves that it is not the coaches that make the team, but the players. I have heard coaching overrated so much on this board to the point where one Smithson Valley fan who said the only reason that they win is coaching, but the reason that they lost to Churchill was because of their players
But it takes the coaches to know what system gives the team the best chance to be successful. You even said the system was changed for Mc. And as great a qb talent wise that Daniel was, he would not have had the numbers in another system..... if you employ a running system he would not have had the opportunity to pass. He still would have had great rushing numbers. There is a huge difference in how hs coaches use the talent they have...... that is why you sometimes see immediate improvement just with the change in coaching staffs.

[SeguinMatadors]

You will also be taking a group of players with MUCH more experience and talent, given why they are in the NFL. Coaching is a key part of a team, but not everything... talent is essential also. I am sure this year that SLC has more D1 prospects this year than usual, but they also have good coaching... like SV, Judson, Katy and I could keep going on and on. Your comparison doesn't prove any point other than NFL players have more ability than high school players.

Not to mention that most NFL players have enough experience playing that they themselves could be coaches at some level or another.

[TXfbfan]

Txhsfb, I'll never buy into that line of reasoning. No successful program wins without talented football players. Schemes mean nothing without players who have the ability to execute the plan.

So your saying, 97- 2005, Katy has been relying on there superior talent to be a perinial power, come on. I respect ur opinion more than anybody elses, but not on this. If it was about the talent then NS, Dallas Carter Houston Madison ext... I agree it it takes a few athletes to win state but coaching is what gives teams like katy, lufkin, Judson, SLC, SV, and permian when they were a dynasty.

[TXfbfan]

it proves that it is not the coaches that make the team, but the players. I have heard coaching overrated so much on this board to the point where one Smithson Valley fan who said the only reason that they win is coaching, but the reason that they lost to Churchill was because of their players

So ur saying if yall lost dodge and had an average coach yalls superior talent would keep yall undefeated. Your a fool if you say yes

[MRmaverick]

So your saying, 97- 2005, Katy has been relying on there superior talent to be a perinial power, come on. I respect ur opinion more than anybody elses, but not on this. If it was about the talent then NS, Dallas Carter Houston Madison ext... I agree it it takes a few athletes to win state but coaching is what gives teams like katy, lufkin, Judson, SLC, SV, and permian when they were a dynasty.


agreed

[dragonfootballfan]

So ur saying if yall lost dodge and had an average coach yalls superior talent would keep yall undefeated. Your a fool if you say yes
it is a combination of talent and coaching. Carroll has had a great mix the past few years and hopefully they will continue. I am just saying that you have to have a combination of both talent and coaching.

[ftballin11]

the coach does not matter as much as the players. To prove this point, you can take a high school team for an entire season and use the best coaches to make them better and you can play against me, who will coach the Dallas Cowboys for an hour before a game and we can see who will win


Right there you say that they aren't equal. Inconsistent beliefs? Talent takes you far in one season maybe, but as TX said, coaching makes a dynasty. Odds are you won't have a lineup like this years SLC team has with 9 D1 players on offense alone, or the 2003 NS team that I gave up on watching in the 1st quarter. A coach USUALLY stays around a little more than one year.. and if its good coaching all the way around it becomes a dynasty like the ones already named.

[dragonfootballfan]

Right there you say that they aren't equal. Inconsistent beliefs? Talent takes you far in one season maybe, but as TX said, coaching makes a dynasty. Odds are you won't have a lineup like this years SLC team has with 9 D1 players on offense alone, or the 2003 NS team that I gave up on watching in the 1st quarter. A coach USUALLY stays around a little more than one year.. and if its good coaching all the way around it becomes a dynasty like the ones already named.
A great coach without any good players = bad season
A bad coach with extremely good players = bad season
A great coach with average players = good season
An average coach and Great players = good season
A Great coach and Good players = great season
A Good Coach and Great players = state championship caliber season
A Great Coach and Great players = Legendary season

[TXfbfan]

A great coach without any good players = bad season
A bad coach with extremely good players = bad season
A great coach with average players = good season
An average coach and Great players = good season
A Great coach and Good players = great season
A Good Coach and Great players = state championship caliber season
A Great Coach and Great players = Legendary season

I disagree, Katys never had more than 5 d1 and year after year putting state contenders out there

[dragonfootballfan]

I disagree, Katys never had more than 5 d1 and year after year putting state contenders out there
5 division players is a lot. They also play in a pretty weak region which makes for a very inflated view of how good their season is.

[ftballin11]

This year the region is weak.. saying they play in a weak region overall isn't true.

[my3sons]

Here's a thought: Greg McElroy has done a great job for SLC (my team) and could potentially be the class 5A player of the year. Ironically, he may not be the all district QB. Christian Ponder had a heck of a year. Doesn't make a lot of sense but it is surely possible. SLC has had the last 3 POY award winners. Mc may have a hard time though, his first name isn't Chase! :D

[TrojanHorse03]

If you are going by regular season it has to go to Stephens...full season Nance. Nobody has done what Stephens has done in 10 games. It took Nance 13 games to match his numbers. Stephens also sat plenty of games at the half. He had one game where he had 250 yds 5 TD'S in 7 carries. He was done in the first qtr in that game. His status as a Junior should not limit his opportunity to win this award. This kid is a beast and was simply in a league of his own this year.

Let me first say Stephens is a GREAT player I watched grow since he was a freshman, and hes legitimately going to be one of the top prospects in the entire country! However despite all his production, it didnt lift his team high enough to be consider for THE player of the year. Dimitri Nance is the heartbeat and the leader by example of a Trinity team thats been fortunate to play 13 games.

[dada]

lets not go that far take bush away from usc and they may have lost a couple. Anyways how bout andy dalton, great stats for a katy qb
You're right....who would have "PUSHED" Lienart into the endzone against Notre Dame....he is so valuable.:D

[katyrecsquad6]

i have to agree dalton has put up some great numbers in katy which is a run offense he should get 5a player of the yearlets not go that far take bush away from usc and they may have lost a couple. Anyways how bout andy dalton, great stats for a katy qb

[Eagle81]

Nance and McElroy are two of my frontrunners right now. Haven't talked to champ about all state and post-season awards yet. Just gathering information. We'll break it all down during the week of the Div. 2 state game and post the awards before Christmas.

I would vote for McElroy just because I didint' think Chase Daniels could be replaced.

[JC73]

Chris Caflisch. Madison does not win without him. If he was at SLC he would be considered 5a player of the year. It does not matter who SLC's qb is. SLC would be where they are with Riley.

[chickenheart]

Please, this is a serious thread. That is just a ridiculously bad answer.Maybe he will rush for 274 yards against you too this weekend.

[badger95]

Staton Jobe of Westlake should be considered. Averaged over 20 yds. a catch and 100 yds. a game. Was a shut down CB on defense and returned punts and kicks, one for a TD. Had a real break out year and some school is going to get a steal when they grab him.

It's too bad Westlake couldn't pull it out against P'ville, because Westlake would still be playing and more people would see what a special athlete he is. Remember, Westlake dominated A&M Cons. in week 2 to hand them their only loss besides Cove.

[southlake thug]

Maybe he will rush for 274 yards against you too this weekend.


Maybe. But I doubt it. It takes more then rushing for 274 yds. to win the award also.

I would like to see what you have to say after tommorrow's game.

[BAMF cowboy]

McElroy definitely deserves it. That...and I don't want thug to do anything he'll regret:(

[southlake thug]

McElroy definitely deserves it. That...and I don't want thug to do anything he'll regret:(


Haha.. If McElroy doesn't win it.. I am gone from this board. I will resign.

I just can't handle high school football if he is not recognized as the best player in 5A. It would be straight up wrong.

[TrojanHorse03]

Haha.. If McElroy doesn't win it.. I am gone from this board. I will resign.

I just can't handle high school football if he is not recognized as the best player in 5A. It would be straight up wrong.

Be sure to make the most of ur time here then :D .