Dodge a candidate for Rice Job

[dragonfootballfan]

I was looking at the houston chronicle online regarding Rice coach Ken Hatfield's resignation and on the very right hand side they mentioned Carroll head coach Todd Dodge. I think it is a long shot, but I was wondering if they were seriously considering hime? This is a great compliment to him and I think that if they offer him the job, as much as it pains me to say this, I think he should move on.

Houston Chronicle Link (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/fbc/3495030.html)

[KT2000]

I can't see him making that move until Riley Dodge is done at Carroll, but I'm not sure when the next Dodge after Riley will hit high school. I think college is clearly in his future though if he decides he wants it.

[PawPower]

I can't see him making that move until Riley Dodge is done at Carroll, but I'm not sure when the next Dodge after Riley will hit high school. I think college is clearly in his future though if he decides he wants it.

Article in Dallas Morning news (about a year ago I believe) said Dodge wants to coach college, but will not leave SLC until his son Riley graduates. Made it sound certain he will leave for college at that point.

[rancher52]

That would be something going from HS to a D-1A program as a head coach (albeit lower echelon of D-1A). Briles did it at Houston... right? Are there others?

[Sakatha]

I wonder what the average attendance was at SLC this year... Was it better than 9k?

I almost lost it when I saw that figure. That's so horrible for Div 1.

~DnM

[Drake]

I disagree KT. Its very rare that a high school coach gets the opportunity to take over as head coach at a D1 program. I can't believe he'd pass the opportunity if it arises...

[Sakatha]

I disagree KT. Its very rare that a high school coach gets the opportunity to take over as head coach at a D1 program. I can't believe he'd pass the opportunity if it arises...

Coaching your son is also a once in a lifetime deal. I can't see Riley going D1 @ QB unless he finds some miracle grow. Just too small...

The offers will be there for Dodge in 2 years just like they are now, perhaps more so. Todd won't have another opportunity to coach Riley.

~DnM

[dragonfootballfan]

Coaching your son is also a once in a lifetime deal. I can't see Riley going D1 @ QB unless he finds some miracle grow. Just too small...

The offers will be there for Dodge in 2 years just like they are now, perhaps more so. Todd won't have another opportunity to coach Riley.

~DnM
If he loses two or three games in a season he may fall off the map. He will never be hotter than he is right now. It is very rare that a head coaching job could come up in the state that you live in and have the opportunity to make the jump from high school to the D1 level.

[PawPower]

Coaching your son is also a once in a lifetime deal. I can't see Riley going D1 @ QB unless he finds some miracle grow. Just too small...

The offers will be there for Dodge in 2 years just like they are now, perhaps more so. Todd won't have another opportunity to coach Riley.

~DnM


He would regret it the rest of his life if he puts the coaching position ahead of coaching his son. I think he has better priorities than to do that.

[Sakatha]

He would regret it the rest of his life if he puts the coaching position ahead of coaching his son. I think he has better priorities than to do that.

My point exactly.

He's not poor. He doesn't 'need' the money that badly... Like I said, it'll be there in 2 years.

~DnM

[dragonfootballfan]

My point exactly.

He's not poor. He doesn't 'need' the money that badly... Like I said, it'll be there in 2 years.

~DnM
I don't know about you, but I think that I would move to Houston if my salary was given an extra zero on the end of it.

[grayowl60]

That would be something going from HS to a D-1A program as a head coach (albeit lower echelon of D-1A). Briles did it at Houston... right? Are there others?
Briles went to Tech as an assistant first

[Sakatha]

I don't know about you, but I think that I would move to Houston if my salary was given an extra zero on the end of it.

Not at the cost of coaching my boy. Nothing can replace that. No amount of $$.

~DnM

[rancher52]

Briles went to Tech as an assistant first
Yep... I stand corrected.

[dragonfootballfan]

Not at the cost of coaching my boy. Nothing can replace that. No amount of $$.

~DnM
he can coach is son at Rice. He also has had a year of coaching his son. He can set his entire family up financially for the rest of their lives.

[Butch Fifield]

yes, big difference in pay between HS head coach & college head coach......big difference.

after a few years of experience at Rice, he can take over for Mack:)

[Sakatha]

he can coach is son at Rice. He also has had a year of coaching his son. He can set his entire family up financially for the rest of their lives.

All I can tell you is what you have probably already heard.. That he has publicly stated that he has no desire to leave before Riley graduates.

Maybe he will change his mind. I just don't believe that the opportunities will leave because SLC will be 'down' over the next 2 years...

~DnM

[KatyTigerDad0407]

I think if Dodge takes that job, Rice would be very fortunate. Dodge is well known in Texas football and Rice would be the ultimate proving ground for this future Texas Legend. Talent would want to come play for Dodge. I think it is a win win situation.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

I would stay to coach my son, thats just me. You only live once thats a once in a lifetime thing right there besides Coach Harrell at Ennis (Graham and his lil bro)

[Drake]

He would regret it the rest of his life if he puts the coaching position ahead of coaching his son. I think he has better priorities than to do that.I think you're putting it in the wrong perspective. While certainly a player may have advantages if his father is head coach, this kid will play no matter who it is... Besides, most fathers coach their football playing sons their whole lives as I'm sure Dodge has his... I'm sure if he had a job coaching D1 football, he'd still have a major role in the parenting and coaching of his son...

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Maybe is son will come play in 195a. The Jesuits might get him. Sorry, couldn't resist.:D

[dragonfootballfan]

All I can tell you is what you have probably already heard.. That he has publicly stated that he has no desire to leave before Riley graduates.

Maybe he will change his mind. I just don't believe that the opportunities will leave because SLC will be 'down' over the next 2 years...

~DnM
there are things called "offers you cannot refuse" and "a change of heart".

[KatyTigerDad0407]

"a change of hear". What? Speak Up!:D

[dragonfootballfan]

What? Speak Up!:D
I meant change of hear and I have edited the above post

[badger95]

Speaking of Briles, remember that not only did he leave Stephenville to be an assistant at Tech, but he did it his son's Sr. year. Kendall had to play his Sr. year at Frenship. So Dodge could do the same and Riley could end up playing at Katy, The Woodlands, etc.

Doubt it would happen, but it could.

[Sakatha]

there are things called "offers you cannot refuse" and "a change of heart".

Ya, I hear ya.. That's why I put that second sentence in there.

:)

~DnM

[rancher52]

This is a lot of speculation just based on his name appearing in the margins.

[badger95]

This is a lot of speculation just based on his name appearing in the margins.

This is true, because I'm sure that this was not Rice's list of candidates, but rather a list of "guys I'd like them to consider" by a Chronicle staff member.

[dragonfootballfan]

This is true, because I'm sure that this was not Rice's list of candidates, but rather a list of "guys I'd like them to consider" by a Chronicle staff member.
the fact that his name has appeared there leaves me to believe that Rice may not be the only school willing to talk to him about a position

[dragonsdaddy]

there are fans of about 250 programs around the state that could really become fans of rice's if this were to come to fruition. there is a palpable excitement over this blurb.

[rancher52]

If not handled properly it could become a significant distraction. Hey, that Chronicle writer isn't a Katy supporter is he?? Hee hee.

[badger95]

the fact that his name has appeared there leaves me to believe that Rice may not be the only school willing to talk to him about a position

what about SMU?

[dragonfootballfan]

what about SMU?
SMU has a coach and they had a big improvement this season especially in beating their rival TCU. He has been mentioned for the K-state job and if he takes it SMU will need another coach. I am not sure if Dodge would be on their list or not

[toonman]

Coaching your son is also a once in a lifetime deal. I can't see Riley going D1 @ QB unless he finds some miracle grow. Just too small...

The offers will be there for Dodge in 2 years just like they are now, perhaps more so. Todd won't have another opportunity to coach Riley.

~DnM

Isn't that what everyone said about Doug Flutie

[SmilinTiger]

I think if Dodge takes that job, Rice would be very fortunate. Dodge is well known in Texas football and Rice would be the ultimate proving ground for this future Texas Legend. Talent would want to come play for Dodge. I think it is a win win situation.

He could live in Katy and Riley could become a Tiger.

[dragonfootballfan]

Isn't that what everyone said about Doug Flutie
that is also what they said about hundreds of other quarterbacks that did not make it

[reed35]

if he coaches at SMU, the whole SLC could go to SMU, live at home and keep playing together

[football fanatic]

Riley might not be a D-1 QB, but no doubt he could play slot.....he has amazing speed

[Ailani]

he can coach is son at Rice. He also has had a year of coaching his son. He can set his entire family up financially for the rest of their lives.

Just curious, how much of a difference in pay do you think it would be? How much is a top coach like Dodge making? And the HC job at Rice?

[Sakatha]

Just curious, how much of a difference in pay do you think it would be? How much is a top coach like Dodge making? And the HC job at Rice?

We're talking way low, WAY low 6 figures(120k-ish) to 750k-1mill...

~DnM

[dragonfootballfan]

We're talking way low, WAY low 6 figures(120k-ish) to 750k-1mill...

~DnM
I think that it was reported that Dodge makes something like 75,000 a year as the head coach of Carroll. I think that he recently got a raise, but I am not sure that it puts him into six figures.

[Butch Fifield]

I was thinking the best Texas high school coaches made maybe 80-90k at most?

A college coach at somewhere like Rice maybe 3-500k?

[KT2000]

I don't think Rice would be the job to take for Dodge. They have all option-oriented recruits on campus right now, and he'd have to wait a full class cycle just to have his type of players on campus and ready to compete. Plus, Art Briles runs a multiple scheme over at Houston so he'd be going after the same type of player athletically. Of course, the academic requirements for Rice/Houston are a tad different. I don't think it'd be a good fit for Dodge at all.

[dada]

Why is this even a discussion? Didn't you guys see Major Applewhites name on that list? It's his job hands down. Besides why would Dodge leave SLC and take a pay cut to coach Rice???:D


Wide is rubbing off on me

[Butch Fifield]

Is Major really on that list? He would be a horrible head coach right now.

[dada]

Is Major really on that list? He would be a horrible head coach right now.
Yeah it had him as a possible canidate.

[slcsportsfan]

Dodge makes about 85k now at SLC. Rice paid a spare like Hatfield 500k. If you read the Startlegram, Dodge was surprised his name was even mentioned. That being said, it would be a good fit for Dodge. The only way the program could go would be up. Not likely they would bring a HS guy straight up to be a d-1 coach.

TO ALL... let's remember that each year coaching positions come available and Dodge and Florence's names are readily put into print as possible candidates.

[Ailani]

Dodge makes about 85k now at SLC. Rice paid a spare like Hatfield 500k. If you read the Startlegram, Dodge was surprised his name was even mentioned. That being said, it would be a good fit for Dodge. The only way the program could go would be up. Not likely they would bring a HS guy straight up to be a d-1 coach.

TO ALL... let's remember that each year coaching positions come available and Dodge and Florence's names are readily put into print as possible candidates.

If I were Dodge I would look south. The coach in Cove makes over $100,000 and i hear others in our district are also in the 6 figures.

[southlake thug]

If I were Dodge I would look south. The coach in Cove makes over $100,000 and i hear others in our district are also in the 6 figures.


If Dodge goes anywhere it would be College

[rancher52]

The HP Coach in 4a makes 100k. Last I saw on Dodge it was 87,500 and then some income from the Camps.... so it could get to the 120-130 range in total income.

[Ailani]

If Dodge goes anywhere it would be College
I know he will go to college. Thats the next logical step for him. I was just surprised I guess that he hasn't gotten a bigger contract.

Our coach here in Cove got offers almost every winter once he turned the program around. We gave him more money and that kept him here. Then his son started and he didn't want to leave until his son was finished, just like Dodge. But his son left a couple of years ago and he's still here.

Dodge has to decide for himself when is the most opportune time to move. Hard decision either way.

[PawPower]

If I were Dodge I would look south. The coach in Cove makes over $100,000 and i hear others in our district are also in the 6 figures.

Most large 5A programs pay in the 80K range. I believe Brence for Plano is also paid 85K same as Dodge. Not bad compared to average teacher salary.

[Ailani]

Most large 5A programs pay in the 80K range. I believe Brence for Plano is also paid 85K same as Dodge. Not bad compared to average teacher salary.

Heck yeah its not bad. But then again, teachers don't have 30,000 people in their rooms observe them when they work.:)

[PaulinPlano]

yes, big difference in pay between HS head coach & college head coach......big difference.

after a few years of experience at Rice, he can take over for Mack:)

Now there is a plan!:D

[PaulinPlano]

If I were Dodge I would look south. The coach in Cove makes over $100,000 and i hear others in our district are also in the 6 figures.

:eek: I find that hard to believe.

[sldragondad]

I don't know about you, but I think that I would move to Houston if my salary was given an extra zero on the end of it.

Yea baby u no dat rite!!

And you know what else? Dodge was 0-3 at Carroll going into his fourth game as the Carroll Head coach.

My guess is the advantage of staying at Carroll with Riley at QB is to showcase his son's talent in a talent rich enviorment and hopefully get him a scholarship to a D-1 school. But hey, if your the head coach of a D-1 school your son's on the team, and he plays!
No, I'm sorry. But if he get the offer, Dodge is gone.
He done all about a human can do in high school football and still be alive.
Besides he'll find the right school with the right talent in the HOU area where the grooming will continue......THOUGHTS?????? ;)

[reed35]

i could see alot of the seniors this year following him, if he leaves now

[bell grad dad]

both coaches in the HEB school district make over 100k. dodge is way UNDERPAID in SLC. That's why we should have opened our position up to the public instead of an inside deal. $100K per year would attract a lot of good name coaches.

[lonny23]

For once, I'll stay on the fence. Dodge has to do what he thinks is best for him and his family. If he wants to stay in Texas, he should probably take the Rice job, but if he just wants to coach in college, he can wait a few more years. I'm not for or against him coaching his kids through high school. Briles coaches his son now.

[gwdaddy]

I don't think Rice would be the job to take for Dodge. They have all option-oriented recruits on campus right now, and he'd have to wait a full class cycle just to have his type of players on campus and ready to compete. Plus, Art Briles runs a multiple scheme over at Houston so he'd be going after the same type of player athletically. Of course, the academic requirements for Rice/Houston are a tad different. I don't think it'd be a good fit for Dodge at all.

They do have a pretty fair spread RB on the baseball team--one that Coach Dodge is somewhat familiar with.

[my3sons]

Yeah, if Dodge goes to Rice just think of the scholarships coming from North East Tarrant County. Can you imagine Luna at running back, Chase (either one) at QB, Jacobson and Renfro following the coach to Houston, Ulatoski leaving Texas after he was gray and red shirted, Ben Hixson leaving Baylor to play the middle LB, Hartley leaving the Sooners to kick for Dodge....the list is nice. How many of the Dragon Nation would head to Houston on Saturdays. Bet a small army of SLC athletes would yearn to be Owls!!!:)

[PACK]

Think about this, if Dodge left, who in his right mind would want to try and fill his shoes at SLC. Can't do any better other than just more of it. SLC has an awesome program and as it goes, the good times don't last forever. Hard to think they could continue on the current pace although they seem to be doing a good job of it now. Leaving while you are ahead of the game makes you a legend which Dodge will be forever at SLC. Leaving while you are down looks more like quiting. Just my outloud thinking, but if the opportunity presented itself, you would have to think he would give it some serious consideration. I really think the desire for all coaches is recruiting talent. In HS you only wish you could pick this guy and that guy along with what you have. It might be too big of carrot to pass on.
On the flip side though, there is more presure on D1 coaches. They come and they go like the weather. Dodge is still a young guy and has a lot of stabilty at SL. Knowing you have tomorrow is a good feeling to have.
My bet is he stays just to give Lufkin heartburn! :D

[WildcatFan]

Boy here I go again!!!!

First this guy Dodge making the move to college ok here's the deal.

Yes he is a good coach, I have nothing against him, but look at the facts.

At both Fossil Ridge and Newman Smith he never won state nor did he have what would be considered dominating stats as a coach. If I am wrong show me that stats.

The real braintrust is that Ledbetter guy he was the wise one, copy the system of bringing up the kids in a common system i.e. Like Plano, and play to the advantags of the pool of talent by being a one school town. Get the train running and on its way to success, and bring in a guy to run it while I oversee everything and make more $$$ Plain and Simple!

Dodge and SLC is like Barry Switzer and the Dallas Cowboys the year they won the Super Bowl anybody could have coached them to the Super Bowl and won.

If Dodge takes a college job I wish him well, but I do not see the same level of success, espeically if he ends up at Rice. maybe Rice Middle School in Plano

[my3sons]

I have to disagree. Ledbetter deserves a ton of credit for the SLC program. Dodge tweeked it to his liking and instituted fashionable changes, spread offense, no huddle, QB and receiver high mentality. Todd Dodge is a great coach and builder of young men as well. I really enjoy hearing him speak. He is class all the way. His father was a preacher and Todd considered the ministry as well. I think he's living his true calling right now.

[WildcatFan]

I have to disagree. Ledbetter deserves a ton of credit for the SLC program. Dodge tweeked it to his liking and instituted fashionable changes, spread offense, no huddle, QB and receiver high mentality. Todd Dodge is a great coach and builder of young men as well. I really enjoy hearing him speak. He is class all the way. His father was a preacher and Todd considered the ministry as well. I think he's living his true calling right now.

Well you know him better than I so I will give you the benefit of the doubt. My remarks are not meant to dog the guy I am sure he is very classy and polite.

I would like to see his past success at programs where he had to build vs having things in place and managing status quo.

College is a tough world and trust me the pressure at SLC isn't a 1/5th to what it is at an average D-1 program like Rice even more so at UT, A&M etc.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if he was given the look due to his current success. It happened to Spike Dykes at Tech he was at Midland before and I am sure countless others.

I do see this likely scenario, if Franccioni can't get A&M's **** together next year that could mean the stars lining up up for Dodge especially with a title this year and a good run next. I know many of you will say no way but think about it!

[WildcatFan]

Well you know him better than I so I will give you the benefit of the doubt. My remarks are not meant to dog the guy I am sure he is very classy and polite.

I would like to see his past success at programs where he had to build vs having things in place and managing status quo.

College is a tough world and trust me the pressure at SLC isn't a 1/5th to what it is at an average D-1 program like Rice even more so at UT, A&M etc.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if he was given the look due to his current success. It happened to Spike Dykes at Tech he was at Midland before and I am sure countless others.

I do see this likely scenario, if Franccioni can't get A&M's **** together next year that could mean the stars lining up up for Dodge especially with a title this year and a good run next. I know many of you will say no way but think about it!

I forgot to add Dodge in Maroon wouldn't that be a hoot for Plano Fans!

[my3sons]

Dodge going to Texas A&M would be hard to swallow considering both he and Elizabeth graduated from UT (Austin). He's a quality guy and he'll get a shot somewhere. We've heard many times that Mack Brown has offered him an assistant's job several times. We in SLC are contemplating changing our main street (Southlake Blvd) into a tollway. We'd call it the Keep Todd Dodge Tollway. Every dollar raised goes to Dodge to keep him at SLC! :D

[WildcatFan]

Dodge going to Texas A&M would be hard to swallow considering both he and Elizabeth graduated from UT (Austin). He's a quality guy and he'll get a shot somewhere. We've heard many times that Mack Brown has offered him an assistant's job several times. We in SLC are contemplating changing our main street (Southlake Blvd) into a tollway. We'd call it the Keep Todd Dodge Tollway. Every dollar raised goes to Dodge to keep him at SLC! :D

LOL good luck with that tollway deal.

On the A&M thing you think his blood is that orange that he would turn down an gig like that if he was offered.

Trust me my Blood is Red Raider Red but I would take that gig if offered to me!

[my3sons]

True. There is something to be said about the $$$. He's an orange-blood but when 7 figures are discussed that would probably make me color blind. I've heard him say that he really wants to coach Riley. As principled a man as he is, I could believe it if he turned down the $$$. Family first.

[WildcatFan]

True. There is something to be said about the $$$. He's an orange-blood but when 7 figures are discussed that would probably make me color blind. I've heard him say that he really wants to coach Riley. As principled a man as he is, I could believe it if he turned down the $$$. Family first.

I totaly agree Family First, but what is the time table is Riley a Soph or Jr. this year.

If he is a Jr. then that would mean after next season he would be ready to make the jump A&M or not.

As a Red Raider fan I could care less about A&M, but I think they will give Dennis one more year, but if nothing materializes next year I would not be surprised if he is gone. If this is the case and he was considered would Riley be on his way out at that point to consider. perhaps I am too hung up on this A&M angle as tons of things would have to happen.

Perosnally I would like to see him go to Tech with McElroy and Baron Batch and recruit some of his best SLC players and some of my Plano Defense maybe we would win a National Title in Lubbock for once this lifetime.

I do like Leitch though!

[my3sons]

Riley is only a sophomore. Having 2 years of eligibility left certainly compounds the dilemma for Todd. Others have left prior to their sons graduating (Briles in Houston). If Riley hadn't already made the varsity it would not be a problem. However, Riley has made significant contributions to this Dragon team and it is hard to imagine Todd pulling the plug before RD graduates.