If Abilene were to move to 4A next realignment...

[AE 8008]

what teams would be in their district? would they join cooper and frenship? and what if Wylie moves up?

they might end up with stephenville/aledo/everman (would be a murderous district) or maybe wf rider?

[THSBandDad]

what teams would be in their district? would they join cooper and frenship? and what if Wylie moves up?

they might end up with stephenville/aledo/everman (would be a murderous district) or maybe wf rider?

Why might they move down to 4A. Are you losing kids? Are their parents moving to Odessa or something?

That Stephenville/Aledo/Everman district would be a big change from what you're in right now!!

[eaglefan87]

The AISD has been losing students for several years now. Some are moving to some of the smaller schools in the area...Wylie (3A), Jim Ned, Clyde etc. The AISD had a vote a few years ago with an option to go to a one high school system but it got voted down. The result has seen Cooper drop to 4A and many believe AHS will follow. Wylie will probably move to 4A some time in the future...they are one of the largest 3A schools in the state.

[AbEagleFan]

Why might they move down to 4A. Are you losing kids? Are their parents moving to Odessa or something?

That Stephenville/Aledo/Everman district would be a big change from what you're in right now!!


because our STUPID super has made it HIS mission to bring AH down to 4A along with cooper. The same IDIOT who is running the district into a financial mess. He envisions AH, Cooper and Wylie all in the same district which would cut cost of travel. No, it's not a contradiction when I say he is running the district into a financial mess and at the same time wants AH to drop classification.

Yep, I said it...

[abileneeagles311]

The AISD has been losing students for several years now. Some are moving to some of the smaller schools in the area...Wylie (3A), Jim Ned, Clyde etc. The AISD had a vote a few years ago with an option to go to a one high school system but it got voted down. The result has seen Cooper drop to 4A and many believe AHS will follow. Wylie will probably move to 4A some time in the future...they are one of the largest 3A schools in the state.
i don't wanna move down to 4a but i do want to play wylie....:D:D

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Wylie will probably move to 4A some time in the future...they are one of the largest 3A schools in the state.

I have been hearing this for the past 15 or so years. (Not an Abilene resident, a graduate of a small 3A (now 2A) school who was always in their district when I played).

[Eagle81]

I have been hearing this for the past 15 or so years. (Not an Abilene resident, a graduate of a small 3A (now 2A) school who was always in their district when I played).

Wow. You're dating yourself here.

[DrEdward]

because our STUPID super has made it HIS mission to bring AH down to 4A along with cooper. The same IDIOT who is running the district into a financial mess. He envisions AH, Cooper and Wylie all in the same district which would cut cost of travel. No, it's not a contradiction when I say he is running the district into a financial mess and at the same time wants AH to drop classification.

Yep, I said it...

While I understand why you would prefer to remain in 5A, having all the schools in the same classfication, indeed in the same district, would seem to be a reasonable way to cut down on at least some of the travel costs. So why is that "stupid" on his part? Must be something I'm missing here.

[AbEagleFan]

While I understand why you would prefer to remain in 5A, having all the schools in the same classfication, indeed in the same district, would seem to be a reasonable way to cut down on at least some of the travel costs. So why is that "stupid" on his part? Must be something I'm missing here.

After tasting 5A for as many years as you have would you want to move down?

Come on back to 2A so Pilot Point can kick your :Censor:

JUST KIDDING... :notworthy

[eaglefan87]

I have been hearing this for the past 15 or so years. (Not an Abilene resident, a graduate of a small 3A (now 2A) school who was always in their district when I played).

:laugh!! yeah....thus all the "conspiracy theories" about Sandifer having the UIL in his pocket etc., etc.!!:D

[DrEdward]

After tasting 5A for as many years as you have would you want to move down?

Come on back to 2A so Pilot Point can kick your :Censor:

JUST KIDDING... :notworthy

I understand wanting to stay at the 5A level and PP did have Carroll's number back then, but given that the voters preferred having more than a single high school (it would have been a pretty large one), would it not make sense to have the schools in the same district with respect to reducing travel costs? Weekly trips to the metroplex have got to be a significant hole in the district's budget. Of course AHS is always going to have travel issues, be they 4A or 5A. I was just wondering; obviously more going on in AISD than simply travel considerations. Certainly Carroll residents are used to having had a super with some issues in the recent past, but fortunately those seem to have been resolved with our current one.

[eaglefan87]

I understand wanting to stay at the 5A level and PP did have Carroll's number back then, but given that the voters preferred having more than a single high school (it would have been a pretty large one), would it not make sense to have the schools in the same district with respect to reducing travel costs? Weekly trips to the metroplex have got to be a significant hole in the district's budget. Of course AHS is always going to have travel issues, be they 4A or 5A. I was just wondering; obviously more going on in AISD than simply travel considerations. Certainly Carroll residents are used to having had a super with some issues in the recent past, but fortunately those seem to have been resolved with our current one.

Very valid point..........Cooper was traveling alot this year as well.......their district included San Angelo, Wolforth (Lubbock area) and Hereford (Panhandle). Abilene schools have always had to travel compared to the metro area teams though.

[AbEagleFan]

I understand wanting to stay at the 5A level and PP did have Carroll's number back then, but given that the voters preferred having more than a single high school (it would have been a pretty large one), would it not make sense to have the schools in the same district with respect to reducing travel costs? Weekly trips to the metroplex have got to be a significant hole in the district's budget. Of course AHS is always going to have travel issues, be they 4A or 5A. I was just wondering; obviously more going on in AISD than simply travel considerations. Certainly Carroll residents are used to having had a super with some issues in the recent past, but fortunately those seem to have been resolved with our current one.

Of course it would make sense. It's just painful enough having to be ousted from the lil swc... now this?

Feel my pain?

[biggolfdad]

I understand wanting to stay at the 5A level and PP did have Carroll's number back then, but given that the voters preferred having more than a single high school (it would have been a pretty large one), would it not make sense to have the schools in the same district with respect to reducing travel costs? Weekly trips to the metroplex have got to be a significant hole in the district's budget. Of course AHS is always going to have travel issues, be they 4A or 5A. I was just wondering; obviously more going on in AISD than simply travel considerations. Certainly Carroll residents are used to having had a super with some issues in the recent past, but fortunately those seem to have been resolved with our current one.



If ya'll need another super, you can have ours.

[eaglefan87]

Of course it would make sense. It's just painful enough having to be ousted from the lil swc... now this?

Feel my pain?

Th UIL really pulled a doozy with that move....put Abilene in a metroplex district and then stick the remaining Odessa/Midland schools in a ten team super district that spans from San Angelo to Amarillo:eek:!!!!Geez.........

How much more sense would it have made to just put San Angelo Central into Cooper's vacant spot....especially since they were already in our district in every other UIL event ....all sports and academic functions except football. That was another genius idea the UIL spawned....we can play you in basketball, softball, soccer, one-act play, debate but not football..no lets force Central to drive to Lubbock and Amarillo to play football against teams they will never see until next football season!!!

[SLC]

After tasting 5A for as many years as you have would you want to move down?

Come on back to 2A so Pilot Point can kick your :Censor:

JUST KIDDING... :notworthy

So is more of liking the reputation that the 5A is the cream of the crop or something? I'm not sure I really understand the big deal with being in 5A vs 4A.. There have been many school's that dropped off in enrollment numbers and actually fell under the current enrollment numbers for their classification that chose to stay there, only to the detrimant of the kids in all sports at the school.. remember it doesnt just effect the football team.. it spans all the sports, having to keep up with teams that have far more students and participants on a particular team in a given sport can be difficult.

[AE 8008]

i want Abilene to stay in 5A...but i wouldnt mind watching Abilene High and Cooper beat the dog out of Wylie either. God i cant stand Wylie

[AbEagleFan]

So is more of liking the reputation that the 5A is the cream of the crop or something? I'm not sure I really understand the big deal with being in 5A vs 4A.. There have been many school's that dropped off in enrollment numbers and actually fell under the current enrollment numbers for their classification that chose to stay there, only to the detrimant of the kids in all sports at the school.. remember it doesnt just effect the football team.. it spans all the sports, having to keep up with teams that have far more students and participants on a particular team in a given sport can be difficult.


yep, reputation.

in addtion, there is no 4A site such as this!

[AhsColts11]

Well...


if ya'll move down to 4a...





watch out for MANSFIELD Timberview LOLOLOLLOL





couldn't help myself XD

[BackNBlack97]

Th UIL really pulled a doozy with that move....put Abilene in a metroplex district and then stick the remaining Odessa/Midland schools in a ten team super district that spans from San Angelo to Amarillo:eek:!!!!Geez.........

How much more sense would it have made to just put San Angelo Central into Cooper's vacant spot....especially since they were already in our district in every other UIL event ....all sports and academic functions except football. That was another genius idea the UIL spawned....we can play you in basketball, softball, soccer, one-act play, debate but not football..no lets force Central to drive to Lubbock and Amarillo to play football against teams they will never see until next football season!!!

The problem there is you cannot have a 5 team district... Old 2-5a was Lubbock, Lubbock Coronado, Lubbock Monterrey, Amarillo, Amarillo Tascosa, San Angelo Central (6 team district)... Old 3-5a was Odessa, Permian, Midland, Midland Lee, Abilene, Abilene Cooper (6 team district)... You subtract Cooper and there's no way to split that up without the 10 team super district and Abilene moving east... But if Amarillo and Tascosa both drop, and Abilene doesn't, the LSWC could be reunited... If the rumors are true and Abilene falls to 4a, I see a few 4a state championships landing in Abilene soon...

[DrEdward]

If ya'll need another super, you can have ours.

No thanks. I like the one we have now.

[abileneeagles311]

So is more of liking the reputation that the 5A is the cream of the crop or something? I'm not sure I really understand the big deal with being in 5A vs 4A.. There have been many school's that dropped off in enrollment numbers and actually fell under the current enrollment numbers for their classification that chose to stay there, only to the detrimant of the kids in all sports at the school.. remember it doesnt just effect the football team.. it spans all the sports, having to keep up with teams that have far more students and participants on a particular team in a given sport can be difficult.
thats the way i feel

[Warbird]

Well...


if ya'll move down to 4a...





watch out for MANSFIELD Timberview LOLOLOLLOL





couldn't help myself XD


Fortunately, we have Mansfield Summit's number.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Well, there's a couple of ways that Abilene MIGHT go in a 4A district. Here are some;

Aledo
Cleburne
Cooper (the obvious)
Everman
Granbury
Mineral Wells
Stephenville (IF they don't drop down to 3A)

IF, Stephenville DOES drop down to 3A;

Aledo
Cooper (the obvious)
Everman
Granbury
Mineral Wells
White Settlement Brewer
Wylie (IF/WHEN they do move up)

IF, Stephenville drops, but Wylie doesn't move up;

Aledo
Cleburne
Cooper (obvious)
Everman
Granbury
Mineral Wells
White Settlement Brewer

They could also end up in just a 6 team district with these schools;

Cooper
Granbury
Mineral Wells
Stephenville (if they don't drop)
Wylie (if they move up)

[AE 8008]

Well, there's a couple of ways that Abilene MIGHT go in a 4A district. Here are some;

Aledo
Cleburne
Cooper (the obvious)
Everman
Granbury
Mineral Wells
Stephenville (IF they don't drop down to 3A)

IF, Stephenville DOES drop down to 3A;

Aledo
Cooper (the obvious)
Everman
Granbury
Mineral Wells
White Settlement Brewer
Wylie (IF/WHEN they do move up)

IF, Stephenville drops, but Wylie doesn't move up;

Aledo
Cleburne
Cooper (obvious)
Everman
Granbury
Mineral Wells
White Settlement Brewer

They could also end up in just a 6 team district with these schools;

Cooper
Granbury
Mineral Wells
Stephenville (if they don't drop)
Wylie (if they move up)

no chance theyll be in cooper's current district?

[D-5]

I think that one thing that might affect abilene and coopers situation is not really the enrollment numbers at each school, but where the UIL sets the cutoff for 5A's. With all the 5A's being built cooper and abilene could even increase numbers but still be 4A if the UIL sets the numbers at a certain point.

It is highly possible that both schools could be 4A, people are just not staying in abilene. They are either moving out to smaller schools, moving to find work or simply if they do move to abilene, the move to wylie where the presumption is the schools are better, facilities are better and quite frankly the football is better. Wylie looks like they may play for another state title this year.

[SLC]

thats the way i feel

Well, its not like 4A football in Texas is a slouch.. Many folks including myself will tell you that as far as statewide... 4A has more of the better teams.. Sure 5A has several great teams, but as far as more competitive top to bottom, 4A is ahead of 5A.

[ExCOOG88]

because our STUPID super has made it HIS mission to bring AH down to 4A along with cooper. The same IDIOT who is running the district into a financial mess. He envisions AH, Cooper and Wylie all in the same district which would cut cost of travel. No, it's not a contradiction when I say he is running the district into a financial mess and at the same time wants AH to drop classification.

Yep, I said it...

Yep you did and your are an idiot! Sorry to burst your bubble but the supe has nothing to do with it. Wanting to bring AHS down to 4A? He doesn't make that call nor is that his aim I can assure you. It's called student numbers dropping. As far as making one HS, bad idea. One district in the state has done that and they regret it.

He can make no financial decisions with out consent from the board. Financial mess? Almost every district in the state is in that boat.

All these things you say, exactly where is your information coming from? Please, do tell. What would you do if you called the shots? How would you make things better under the rules and laws that the state give you to opperate under?

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

no chance theyll be in cooper's current district?

You know, I did think about that but, I didn't post it. With the UIL, there is no telling what they'll do! For all we know, they could end up with Rider and Old High in there as well. Not to mention, seeing them in the district with Aledo and Everman is a little of wishful thinking on my part.

[ExCOOG88]

From what I have heard AHS will be 4A next time around. They have already 100+ students since the last realignment.

[SanAngeloBobcat]

what teams would be in their district? would they join cooper and frenship? and what if Wylie moves up?

they might end up with stephenville/aledo/everman (would be a murderous district) or maybe wf rider?

I Abilene High does drop to 4A, AHS and Cooper will have to be realigned in the same district, so yes, I think AHS would join Cooper's current district. Hereford appealed (and lost) the alignment and tried to get out of that 4A district because of the travel, so if Abilene High drops to 4-A, that will allow Hereford to move back to the northern panhandle district and still have 6 teams in district 4-4A:

AHS
Cooper
SA Lake View
Big Spring
Frenship
Plainview

When Big Spring eventually drops to 3A, I think the Abilene schools will be realigned with the 4A schools on the western edge of the mextroplex and Lake View will be sent to Central Texas or toward San Antonio. Frenship and Plainview would then join the panhandle district.

[AE 8008]

From what I have heard AHS will be 4A next time around. They have already 100+ students since the last realignment.

lost 100+?

[AE 8008]

I Abilene High does drop to 4A, AHS and Cooper will have to be realigned in the same district, so yes, I think AHS would join Cooper's current district. Hereford appealed (and lost) the alignment and tried to get out of that 4A district because of the travel, so if Abilene High drops to 4-A, that will allow Hereford to move back to the northern panhandle district and still have 6 teams in district 4-4A:

AHS
Cooper
SA Lake View
Big Spring
Frenship
Plainview

When Big Spring eventually drops to 3A, I think the Abilene schools will be realigned with the 4A schools on the western edge of the mextroplex and Lake View will be sent to Central Texas or toward San Antonio. Frenship and Plainview would then join the panhandle district.

but then we'll have to throw Abilene Wylie in there soon enough too..

[AE 8008]

You know, I did think about that but, I didn't post it. With the UIL, there is no telling what they'll do! For all we know, they could end up with Rider and Old High in there as well. Not to mention, seeing them in the district with Aledo and Everman is a little of wishful thinking on my part.

i think it would be alot of fun to play in that district, but at the same time some really really good football teams could miss the playoffs

[ExCOOG88]

yes

[abileneeagles311]

Well, its not like 4A football in Texas is a slouch.. Many folks including myself will tell you that as far as statewide... 4A has more of the better teams.. Sure 5A has several great teams, but as far as more competitive top to bottom, 4A is ahead of 5A.
i know what you're saying but i still like to be in the biggest class...

[Pinion]

I'm asking this because I honestly dont know. And I'm certain somebody here will.

If Abilene were deemed to be a 4A school, could they not still play in 5A?

In Louisiana, you can be a lower classification and play "up" as long as whatever level schools vote to let you play "up". But you can't play "down".

I assume it's not that way over here... I'm just curious.

[ExCOOG88]

I'm asking this because I honestly dont know. And I'm certain somebody here will.

If Abilene were deemed to be a 4A school, could they not still play in 5A?

In Louisiana, you can be a lower classification and play "up" as long as whatever level schools vote to let you play "up". But you can't play "down".

I assume it's not that way over here... I'm just curious.

Sure you can request to stay in the higher classification and some schools have done it, at the moment the schools name escapes me. For the most part though they stay down. If AHS is dropped they will play in 4A. My bet is next realignment AHS is 4A.

[Hill Horn]

I think Zapata stayed in a higher classification one realignment.

[AbEagleFan]

Yep you did and your are an idiot! Sorry to burst your bubble but the supe has nothing to do with it. Wanting to bring AHS down to 4A? He doesn't make that call nor is that his aim I can assure you. It's called student numbers dropping. As far as making one HS, bad idea. One district in the state has done that and they regret it.

He can make no financial decisions with out consent from the board. Financial mess? Almost every district in the state is in that boat.

All these things you say, exactly where is your information coming from? Please, do tell. What would you do if you called the shots? How would you make things better under the rules and laws that the state give you to opperate under?

.........

[ExCOOG88]

coog it's apparant you are nothing but a failure in life and a wanna be. Go away to your 4A board or create one if you have the financial means, which I doubt you do.

the sup is an over paid moron and you probably suck his :Censor:

All these things you say, exactly where is your information coming from? Please, do tell. What would you do if you called the shots? How would you make things better under the rules and laws that the state give you to opperate under?

Please, do answer, seeing how you seem to be the know-it-all in regards to AISD.

[AbEagleFan]

All these things you say, exactly where is your information coming from? Please, do tell. What would you do if you called the shots? How would you make things better under the rules and laws that the state give you to opperate under?

Please, do answer, seeing how you seem to be the know-it-all in regards to AISD.

gawd, i got myself into a pissing match with a cooper moron.... :rolleyes:

your questions are stupid and mute, just like you. now go away. you're worse than a stray puppy who has been fed, just won't leave!

[Pinion]

gawd, i got myself into a pissing match with a cooper moron.... :rolleyes:

your questions are stupid and mute, just like you. now go away. you're worse than a stray puppy who has been fed, just won't leave!


moot.

[THSBandDad]

Sure you can request to stay in the higher classification and some schools have done it, at the moment the schools name escapes me. For the most part though they stay down. If AHS is dropped they will play in 4A. My bet is next realignment AHS is 4A.

You might choose to play up if you were the only 4A school in your ISD or town, for instance. Or, if it made it easier for your team regarding travel.

But with the district AHS is currently in, you might hope that you stay 5A. Then you can go 10-0 every year. :D

[SLC]

I'm asking this because I honestly dont know. And I'm certain somebody here will.

If Abilene were deemed to be a 4A school, could they not still play in 5A?

In Louisiana, you can be a lower classification and play "up" as long as whatever level schools vote to let you play "up". But you can't play "down".

I assume it's not that way over here... I'm just curious.

They could make the request, and the UIL would review it and make a decision.

[SLC]

I think Zapata stayed in a higher classification one realignment.



Denton Ryan did that as well... Didn't go to well for them. They are now in 4A.

[D-5]

gawd, i got myself into a pissing match with a cooper moron.... :rolleyes:

your questions are stupid and mute, just like you. now go away. you're worse than a stray puppy who has been fed, just won't leave!

You need to watch yourself some of us do not appreciate your rude behavior on here.
And cooper did go two rounds deeper than abilene high this year, bud!

[AbEagleFan]

You need to watch yourself some of us do not appreciate your rude behavior on here.
And cooper did go two rounds deeper than abilene high this year, bud!

gawd... two rounds deeper... yeah, in 4A :rolleyes:

cooper has the OU syndrom. Even though they got beat by AH, they are convinced they are the better team.

also, if you don't like what I have to say just ignore me or be a baby and rat me out. bud.... :laugh

[SanAngeloBobcat]

Schools can only petition to play up in classification if the ISD has at least 8 schools or if the school has an extreme travel situation due to their alignment.

Abilene High wouldn't meet either of these criteria, so they would not be eligible to petition to play in 5A if they do in fact drop to 4A.

[warbird00]

You might choose to play up if you were the only 4A school in your ISD or town, for instance. Or, if it made it easier for your team regarding travel.

But with the district AHS is currently in, you might hope that you stay 5A. Then you can go 10-0 every year. :D


10-1 , And based on some of the posts on another thread, there are quite a few Abilene posters (And a Cooper fan whose found his way to this thread as well) who are quite satifsied with that and are just happy that we are even competitive! No prob THS, we Eagle fans dont even need to be 10-0! We, as Abilene fans, should be greatfull just to be able to play the game. We were bad for a long time so for us and our fans, we should all be happy with 6-4, 7-3, 3-7, doesnt matter as long as we make the playoffs we'll worship the ground our coach walks on. And because we were so bad, that means we have lower expectations then Katy, SLC, Lufkin, Permian, Waco, Judson, Trinity, Plano, Allen, Bowie, ect. We wouldnt dare expect to win State ever, because well a long time ago we were pretty bad. Oh and we have injuries. :);)

Enough of that lol. Yeah my money is on 4A in 2010. Aledo, S-ville, Cooper, and Ab. Wylie (if they decide not to set 3a max by their enrollment) would be great district foes. Would also love the chance to do see Abilene High vs highland park... seeing as how we used to meet them a lot in the playoffs way back when. Anybody have word on Weatherford enrollment? I think they are actually lower then us by a bit, and unless they are growing pretty fast, wouldnt they also be joining us in 4A?

[ExCOOG88]

Get it right. 10-1 , and based on some of the posts on another thread, there are quite a few Abilene posters (And a Cooper fan whose found his way to this thread as well) who are quite satifsied with that are just happy that we are even competitive! No prob THS, we Eagle fans dont even need to be 10-0! We, as Abilene fans, should be greatfull just to be able to play the game. We were bad for a long time so for us and our fans, we're happy with 6-4, 7-3, 3-7, doesnt matter as long as we make the playoffs we'll worship the ground our coach walks on. :);)

LOL Don't think anyone said he they worshiped the ground he walked on. He does do an excellent job and AHS is lucky to have him. As I have said before until you walk the sidelines and have to make the decisions you don't have a whole lot of room to talk.

[ExCOOG88]

Oh and btw I am a AHS fan too, actually went to more AHS games this year than CHS. Have too many friends that went to AHS to back in the day to bad moth the school and the people that went there. Now, when they play of course I will cheer for CHS. Um warbird, who owns the series lead and what is that margin?;)

[Eagle81]

I've seen this on a couple threads already. What's with all the name calling? You're an idiot, your a moron. Good gosh, is all that necessary? I'm sure you can explain your case without the name calling. Why can't we all just get along?

[ExCOOG88]

I've seen this on a couple threads already. What's with all the name calling? You're an idiot, your a moron. Good gosh, is all that necessary? I'm sure you can explain your case without the name calling. Why can't we all just get along?

I am trying!

[biggolfdad]

I've seen this on a couple threads already. What's with all the name calling? You're an idiot, your a moron. Good gosh, is all that necessary? I'm sure you can explain your case without the name calling. Why can't we all just get along?

agreed



:notworthy

[AE 8008]

You might choose to play up if you were the only 4A school in your ISD or town, for instance. Or, if it made it easier for your team regarding travel.

But with the district AHS is currently in, you might hope that you stay 5A. Then you can go 10-0 every year. :D

i think we've decided we would rather be 10-6 than 10-0

[AE 8008]

10-1 , And based on some of the posts on another thread, there are quite a few Abilene posters (And a Cooper fan whose found his way to this thread as well) who are quite satifsied with that and are just happy that we are even competitive! No prob THS, we Eagle fans dont even need to be 10-0! We, as Abilene fans, should be greatfull just to be able to play the game. We were bad for a long time so for us and our fans, we should all be happy with 6-4, 7-3, 3-7, doesnt matter as long as we make the playoffs we'll worship the ground our coach walks on. And because we were so bad, that means we have lower expectations then Katy, SLC, Lufkin, Permian, Waco, Judson, Trinity, Plano, Allen, Bowie, ect. We wouldnt dare expect to win State ever, because well a long time ago we were pretty bad. Oh and we have injuries. :);)

Enough of that lol. Yeah my money is on 4A in 2010. Aledo, S-ville, Cooper, and Ab. Wylie (if they decide not to set 3a max by their enrollment) would be great district foes. Would also love the chance to do see Abilene High vs highland park... seeing as how we used to meet them a lot in the playoffs way back when. Anybody have word on Weatherford enrollment? I think they are actually lower then us by a bit, and unless they are growing pretty fast, wouldnt they also be joining us in 4A?


everman would be in that district too! that would be alot of fun, probably the best district in the state out of all classifications.

and weatherford just cant seem to get away from us:p

[LoboFan07]

Would also love the chance to do see Abilene High vs highland park...

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[warbird00]

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

why the eyeroll?? 4A longview fan thinking I said that because I'm considering them the best in 4A???? Well isnt that.... but the fact that they "broke" our once longest 49 game winning streak with 20/20 tie. Would love to give them a butt kicking for old times sake.

[warbird00]

Um warbird, who owns the series lead and what is that margin?;)

You know I do know the answer to that, and thats cool. We're creeping up on you one year at a time and throwing in a 40-0 every once in a while to even those numbers out. :D:cool: I'd take a cooper loss if it'd mean a State Championship. :eek: did I really say that?

[KattTx]

Give me a break guys!!:eek:

First oil prices are falling faster than ratings of Rosie's new show. Then the news says the recession is well on the yellow brick road to depression. My dog was diagnosed with split personality disorder.

NOW.... you guys are telling me AHS will probably drop to 4A and any glimmering hope of a reformed LSWC is gone?!?!

Excuse me while I slip into hot bath and pop open a vein. :(:D:D

[Coug78]

Give me a break guys!!:eek:

First oil prices are falling faster than ratings of Rosie's new show. Then the news says the recession is well on the yellow brick road to depression. My dog was diagnosed with split personality disorder.

NOW.... you guys are telling me AHS will probably drop to 4A and any glimmering hope of a reformed LSWC is gone?!?!

Excuse me while I slip into hot bath and pop open a vein.

Open up Odessa Ector so they can play football then you can join back with us! ;):D

[BackNBlack97]

Open up Odessa Ector so they can play football then you can join back with us! ;):D

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO No 4a for Mojo!

[lobo1982]

We enjoy playing at the 4-a level.We are playing schools smaller than us for a change.We competed very well on the 5-a level yearly and will continue to do so on the 4-a level.The top teams in each classification are pretty even.

[tmcran]

The Eagles will be 4-A next go around. ( AHS just over 2000)The only thing that will prevent that is if the "Super" gets his way and we combine the high schools. He is still stinging from the fact the voters turned down the building of a new HS. Since then he has cut programs, teaching staff, support staff and etc in an effort to push his idea of one HS .IMO when AHS goes 4-A Warren is gone on to a 5-A school.

It is still amazing how Wylie's enrollment changes after the cut off date for realignment each time. All you have to do is go south of Wylie and see the large number of new homes and all the kids of high school age running around. The student parking lot is over flowing at times during the day.

I suppose we could start a 4-A web site.

[AE 8008]

We enjoy playing at the 4-a level.We are playing schools smaller than us for a change.We competed very well on the 5-a level yearly and will continue to do so on the 4-a level.The top teams in each classification are pretty even.

is longview still playing?

[AE 8008]

The Eagles will be 4-A next go around. ( AHS just over 2000)The only thing that will prevent that is if the "Super" gets his way and we combine the high schools. He is still stinging from the fact the voters turned down the building of a new HS. Since then he has cut programs, teaching staff, support staff and etc in an effort to push his idea of one HS .IMO when AHS goes 4-A Warren is gone on to a 5-A school.

It is still amazing how Wylie's enrollment changes after the cut off date for realignment each time. All you have to do is go south of Wylie and see the large number of new homes and all the kids of high school age running around. The student parking lot is over flowing at times during the day.

I suppose we could start a 4-A web site.

it would be hard to match the quality of this one though...

[KattTx]

Open up Odessa Ector so they can play football then you can join back with us! ;):D

No thanks... :eek::eek:

But we do have a couple of administrators that want that reeeaaaallll bad.

[PermianFan]

The Eagles will be 4-A next go around. ( AHS just over 2000)

I doubt it. There were at least 87 5A schools with smaller enrollments than Abilene this alignment. Most of those would have to pass Abilene for the UIL to maintain the number of teams they want to have in 5A. Abilene will most likely still be 5A next time.

It seems much more likely that there will be changes in the Lubbock-Amarillo area enrollments that cause new alignments, hopefully combining the Midland-Odessa-San Angelo schools with Abilene once again to form a six team district.

[ExCOOG88]

The Eagles will be 4-A next go around. ( AHS just over 2000)The only thing that will prevent that is if the "Super" gets his way and we combine the high schools. He is still stinging from the fact the voters turned down the building of a new HS. Since then he has cut programs, teaching staff, support staff and etc in an effort to push his idea of one HS .IMO when AHS goes 4-A Warren is gone on to a 5-A school.

It is still amazing how Wylie's enrollment changes after the cut off date for realignment each time. All you have to do is go south of Wylie and see the large number of new homes and all the kids of high school age running around. The student parking lot is over flowing at times during the day.

I suppose we could start a 4-A web site.

Wants one high school? Don't think so, and since the election he has not brought the issue up again. As for program and staff cut, blame set target revenue and overall declining student population in the district. Go to the TEA website for detailed financial information.

[KattTx]

I doubt it. There were at least 87 5A schools with smaller enrollments than Abilene this alignment. Most of those would have to pass Abilene for the UIL to maintain the number of teams they want to have in 5A. Abilene will most likely still be 5A next time.

It seems much more likely that there will be changes in the Lubbock-Amarillo area enrollments that cause new alignments, hopefully combining the Midland-Odessa-San Angelo schools with Abilene once again to form a six team district.

I sure wish the Amarillo and Lubbock schools would get their enrollments rounded out. With 215K in Lubbock and 185K in Amarillo, one would think they could figure a way to make a single 5A district between the two. It would make things way cheaper as well.

Midland, Odessa, San Angelo, and Abilene would be perfect. ;)

[tmcran]

I doubt it. There were at least 87 5A schools with smaller enrollments than Abilene this alignment. Most of those would have to pass Abilene for the UIL to maintain the number of teams they want to have in 5A. Abilene will most likely still be 5A next time.

It seems much more likely that there will be changes in the Lubbock-Amarillo area enrollments that cause new alignments, hopefully combining the Midland-Odessa-San Angelo schools with Abilene once again to form a six team district.

Can the UIL think that logically??:D

[tmcran]

Wants one high school? Don't think so, and since the election he has not brought the issue up again. As for program and staff cut, blame set target revenue and overall declining student population in the district. Go to the TEA website for detailed financial information.

This has been discussed. Not in the public forum--but has been discussed. The economic climate will not support any bond progam now. They would have to go with the 9-10th at one school and 11-12th at the other. This has been discussed also. We have certainly been to different meetings and talked to different personal.

[PermianFan]

Can the UIL think that logically??:D

Oops! You're right, I forgot who we are dealing with.:o They have those huge rubber bands they want to stretch out and play with. Odessa-Midland will go west to El Paso. Abilene may go down to the Temple or Austin area while San Angelo probably stays with Amarillo.:eek:

[biggolfdad]

The numbers may be close to the cutoff.

:(

[D-5]

I have heard it mentioned that if they combined the two schools into one super school, that warren would be the AD and Coach Spradlin would be the coach and they would combined the staffs. Man I would bet it would definetly be a talent pool then between the two schools.

[ExCOOG88]

I have heard it mentioned that if they combined the two schools into one super school, that warren would be the AD and Coach Spradlin would be the coach and they would combined the staffs. Man I would bet it would definetly be a talent pool then between the two schools.

Not going to happen, so it is a moot point. Only one district in the sate has done it and it went over like a lead balloon.

[SanAngeloBobcat]

I doubt it. There were at least 87 5A schools with smaller enrollments than Abilene this alignment. Most of those would have to pass Abilene for the UIL to maintain the number of teams they want to have in 5A. Abilene will most likely still be 5A next time.

It seems much more likely that there will be changes in the Lubbock-Amarillo area enrollments that cause new alignments, hopefully combining the Midland-Odessa-San Angelo schools with Abilene once again to form a six team district.


It won't happen because there aren't at least six 5A schools in the Lubbock/Amarillo area so there is no way to create a 5A district up there. It is possible Amarillo High and/or Tascosa will drop to 4A as they were both close to the cutoff in the latest realignment, but that would leave us with an 8 team district rather than changing anything about the 5A alignment in the panhandle.

[elkfbfan]

Ya'll still call the old 3-5A the LSWC- well the SWC hasn't existed since 1995- maybe ya'll could call yourselves the Little Big 12 South! ( LB12S);)

[ExCOOG88]

I doubt it. There were at least 87 5A schools with smaller enrollments than Abilene this alignment. Most of those would have to pass Abilene for the UIL to maintain the number of teams they want to have in 5A. Abilene will most likely still be 5A next time.

It seems much more likely that there will be changes in the Lubbock-Amarillo area enrollments that cause new alignments, hopefully combining the Midland-Odessa-San Angelo schools with Abilene once again to form a six team district.


It won't happen because there aren't at least six 5A schools in the Lubbock/Amarillo area so there is no way to create a 5A district up there. It is possible Amarillo High and/or Tascosa will drop to 4A as they were both close to the cutoff in the latest realignment, but that would leave us with an 8 team district rather than changing anything about the 5A alignment in the panhandle.

AHS's enrollment is already below last the last realignment number. Haven't seen the UIL lower that number. So, chances are real good thaT AHS will be 4A the next go around. If they were to take enrollment numbers today AHS is 4A.

[Eagle81]

[QUOTE=SanAngeloBobcat;1045994]

AHS's enrollment is already below last the last realignment number. Haven't seen the UIL lower that number. So, chances are real good thaT AHS will be 4A the next go around. If they were to take enrollment numbers today AHS is 4A.


No wonder we lost in the first round.

[AbEagleFan]

[QUOTE=ExCOOG88;1046313]


No wonder we lost in the first round.

and to think we were able to beat all those 5A teams during the regular season! :eek:

Go figure... :laugh

[PermianFan]

It won't happen because there aren't at least six 5A schools in the Lubbock/Amarillo area so there is no way to create a 5A district up there. It is possible Amarillo High and/or Tascosa will drop to 4A as they were both close to the cutoff in the latest realignment, but that would leave us with an 8 team district rather than changing anything about the 5A alignment in the panhandle.

That's possible, of course. However, Palo Duro and Caprock were both in the 1830's, so if either of them had a serious growth spurt and no one else in the area dropped to 4A you could have 6 teams up there. I have no idea whether that is even possible. I don't live in that area and they may well be landlocked so they can't grow any more.

Abilene had 2404 for the last alignment, several hundred above the cutoff. It would take a really drastic loss of students for them to drop down below the 5A level, or (more important) below the 80-plus 5A schools that are between them and 4A. That is a major point. The UIL won't raise the enrollment figure so much that only 160 or 170 schools qualify for 5A. A lot of schools would have to pass them in enrollment for the 4A-5A dividing line to pass them.

Perhaps Abilene has lost that many students in the past year. I don't know and I don't know how to find accurate numbers for the accepted UIL enrollment figures at this point midway between realignment seasons. If anyone else has official numbers I'd be happy to hear them.

[warbird00]

Perhaps Abilene has lost that many students in the past year. I don't know and I don't know how to find accurate numbers for the accepted UIL enrollment figures at this point midway between realignment seasons. If anyone else has official numbers I'd be happy to hear them.


ok ok I hear the call... Warbird get invovled. Set us straight with your cold hard facts and perfect logic. Here's what I have:

These are the smallest schools in region 1 from what I understand based on enrollment the last time UIL took them. I then went to tea and got the schools enrollment trend for the past four years. Keep in mind I dont think this is the numbers that the UIL actually uses, but it does show trends and allows for some comparision. Best I could do.

ABILENE H S trending down, just slightly
2800 N 6TH ST
ABILENE, TX 79603
(325) 677-1731
ENROLLMENT
2004-05: 2296
2005-06: 2280
2006-07: 2280
2007-08: 2273

BEL AIR HS trending up and down
731 YARBROUGH DR
EL PASO, TX 79915
(915) 434-2000
ENROLLMENT
2004-05: 2198
2005-06: 2222
2006-07: 2192
2007-08: 2154

AMARILLO H S trending just slightly up
4225 DANBURY
AMARILLO, TX 79109
(806) 326-2000
ENROLLMENT
2004-05: 2058
2005-06: 2046
2006-07: 2110
2007-08: 2111

WEATHERFORD H S
2121 BETHEL RD
WEATHERFORD, TX 76086
(817) 598-2858
ENROLLMENT
Added ninth grade center, which was seperated in my research
2004-05: 1464 + 593 = 2057
2005-06: 1491 + 613 = 2104
2006-07: 1534 + 579 = 2113
2007-08: 1505 + 630 = 2135


This is where you're going to see the difference...in the urban areas.

MANSFIELD HIGH SCHOOL trending up
3001 E BROAD ST
MANSFIELD, TX 76063
(817) 473-5750
ENROLLMENT
2004-05: 2498
2005-06: 2532
2006-07: 2681
2007-08: 2164 *Legacy High School just opened;



GRAPEVINE H S stable
3223 MUSTANG DR
GRAPEVINE, TX 76051
(817) 251-5210
ENROLLMENT
2004-05: 2098
2005-06: 2170
2006-07: 2165
2007-08: 2165


HEBRON H S trending up
4207 PLANO PKWY
CARROLLTON, TX 75010
(469) 713-5183
ENROLLMENT
2004-05: 2020
2005-06: 2162
2006-07: 2336
2007-08: 2514

GRAND PRAIRIE H S trending up
101 HIGH SCHOOL DR
GRAND PRAIRIE, TX 75050
(972) 809-5711
I think Grand Prairie added ninth grade centers in 07-08, but I am not sure if these numbers were included. Looks like they were not. I've seperated them anyhow
ENROLLMENT
2004-05: 2801
2005-06: 2959
2006-07: 2967
2007-08: 2157 + 890 = 3047

Dallas Jesuit
could not find info, but my understanding is they have to play in 5a regarless of enrollment. May be wrong.

In my opinion, well I just dont know. We are talking about something that wont matter for a year at least, and so the important numbers will be next fall. Other issue is that I am not sure the recent measures to balance out the schools have been totally felt by AHS yet. A shift of just 50 students may be all it takes to assure Abilene of 4a status. Someone said there were 87 schools smaller then AHS in 5a, implying that all those 87 schools would have to go 4a first. Well that is a simple, but incorrect way to consider the possibility. It assumes none of the 87 will grow at all and pass Abilene.There are already two in my list of seven that will almost for sure surpass Abilene, and that is only considering the smallest schools in each district. It is the urban area schools that will begin to push Abilene further down the list, and this list only considers a portion of one of the three or four major growing urban areas. The one thing that is for sure: Abilene will not be 87 schools away from the cut off next time, unless UIL increases the number of 5A schools, and thats just not going to happen with 5A enrollements as wide as they are between smallest and largest. My bet is +/- 15. We will be one of the 15 smallest 5a's or one of the 15 largest 4a's.

[PermianFan]

I dont think this is the numbers that the UIL actually uses

ABILENE H S trending down, just slightly
2800 N 6TH ST
ABILENE, TX 79603
(325) 677-1731
ENROLLMENT
2004-05: 2296
2005-06: 2280
2006-07: 2280
2007-08: 2273




That's a good point. The numbers the UIL has used for the last two alignments were considerably different from the TEA numbers. The UIL had Abilene with an enrollment of 2478 for 2006-08 and 2404 for 2008-10, several hundred above the 5A schools with the lowest numbers. The other schools you listed were all over the map when comparing the official UIL numbers to the TEA numbers - higher, lower, and occasionally fairly close. I got the 87 number by counting the schools with smaller official UIL enrollment figures in the 2008-10 list. We can't make a good guess until a year from now, but you are certainly in a better position to know if your school is losing substantial numbers of students. I hope you don't lose enough to move you to 4A.

[ExCOOG88]

That's possible, of course. However, Palo Duro and Caprock were both in the 1830's, so if either of them had a serious growth spurt and no one else in the area dropped to 4A you could have 6 teams up there. I have no idea whether that is even possible. I don't live in that area and they may well be landlocked so they can't grow any more.

Abilene had 2404 for the last alignment, several hundred above the cutoff. It would take a really drastic loss of students for them to drop down below the 5A level, or (more important) below the 80-plus 5A schools that are between them and 4A. That is a major point. The UIL won't raise the enrollment figure so much that only 160 or 170 schools qualify for 5A. A lot of schools would have to pass them in enrollment for the 4A-5A dividing line to pass them.

Perhaps Abilene has lost that many students in the past year. I don't know and I don't know how to find accurate numbers for the accepted UIL enrollment figures at this point midway between realignment seasons. If anyone else has official numbers I'd be happy to hear them.
i have the official numbers, i will have to dig them up though.

[ExCOOG88]

These are preliminary student numbers taken on the first day of school at AHS and CHS.

AHS 9th-577, 10th-554, 11th-550, 12th-412, TOT-2093, 2007-2008 TOT-2308

CHS 9th-518, 10th-544, 11th-412, 12th-345, TOT-1819, 2007-2008 TOT-1822

Remember these are the preliminary student counts taken the first day of school. These final numbers will be a little higher due to some students not coming the the first day or the first week(they didn't get the memo that school had started). It does give you an idea of how the student populations are coming down.

[ExCOOG88]

I found the results from 2 weeks in to school. AHS-2189 CHS 1901
From what I understand both schools totals have dropped since then.

[tmcran]

I found the results from 2 weeks in to school. AHS-2189 CHS 1901
From what I understand both schools totals have dropped since then.

Good stuff. It is my understanding that AHS is now about 2097. It seems the enrollment contiues to decline as the year goes on.

[ExCOOG88]

Good stuff. It is my understanding that AHS is now about 2097. It seems the enrollment contiues to decline as the year goes on.

I had been told that the number was in the low 2100's. You are correct the enrollment figure continue to go down throughout the year.

[tmcran]

I had been told that the number was in the low 2100's. You are correct the enrollment figure continue to go down throughout the year.

You could be correct on the low 2100's. It seems everytime I get some enrollment info it seems to hing on how they include some progams in the
numbers.

[biggolfdad]

These are preliminary student numbers taken on the first day of school at AHS and CHS.

AHS 9th-577, 10th-554, 11th-550, 12th-412, TOT-2093, 2007-2008 TOT-2308

CHS 9th-518, 10th-544, 11th-412, 12th-345, TOT-1819, 2007-2008 TOT-1822

Remember these are the preliminary student counts taken the first day of school. These final numbers will be a little higher due to some students not coming the the first day or the first week(they didn't get the memo that school had started). It does give you an idea of how the student populations are coming down.


It is sad the drop in enrollment.

[ExCOOG88]

End of 2nd six weeks enrollment at AHS-2161, CHS-1870. There were 299 at Woodson Alternative School that would have to be counted towards UIL enrollment, depends on those students home school. So based on these figures and the last realignment number for 5A, AHS would remain 5A and CHS 4A. Now if the UIL does what it did last realignment and raise the min. for 5A by 100 students, by the time realignment rolls around it would be very close for AHS staying 5A. Will be interesting next Oct. to see where AHS stands. Either going to be a very small 5A or one of the biggest 4A's. Economy may play in this before it is all said and done.

[HSFootball#1]

Weird thread, if so you wouldn't be here now would you? be over there on that 4A thread if there is one? Got me?

[ExCOOG88]

????

[AE 8008]

????

we stopped trying a long time ago

[ExCOOG88]

we stopped trying a long time ago

lol

[THSBandDad]

These are preliminary student numbers taken on the first day of school at AHS and CHS.

AHS 9th-577, 10th-554, 11th-550, 12th-412, TOT-2093, 2007-2008 TOT-2308

CHS 9th-518, 10th-544, 11th-412, 12th-345, TOT-1819, 2007-2008 TOT-1822

Remember these are the preliminary student counts taken the first day of school. These final numbers will be a little higher due to some students not coming the the first day or the first week(they didn't get the memo that school had started). It does give you an idea of how the student populations are coming down.

Another thing to consider is how many 7th-8th graders you have. It appears that the class size is getting larger each year, at least at AHS. If you drop 412 seniors and 550 juniors and add roughly 1150-1200 7th and 8th graders to the total (my WAG on the numbers), then I can't see AHS getting dropped to 4A.

[ExCOOG88]

Another thing to consider is how many 7th-8th graders you have. It appears that the class size is getting larger each year, at least at AHS. If you drop 412 seniors and 550 juniors and add roughly 1150-1200 7th and 8th graders to the total (my WAG on the numbers), then I can't see AHS getting dropped to 4A.

It's going to happen, it is just a matter of when. Either 1 year or three, but it going to happen.

[tmcran]

It's going to happen, it is just a matter of when. Either 1 year or three, but it going to happen.

Any way we can add serveral more eating establishments, banks,7 Elevens,
and other related service industries to increase the pop? :D

[biggolfdad]

????



agree

:confused:

[svrangerfan]

I think Zapata stayed in a higher classification one realignment.

Zapata was a 3a school playing in 5a because of travel. They did that for 4 years I think.