Heisman

[BAMF cowboy]

If you had a vote in the Heisman polling, who would you vote for...

subquestion: who do you think WILL win it, but as far as the poll goes, vote for who you would vote for

[BAMF cowboy]

i voted for reggie, he is by far the most amazing player in college football. he is so explosive, although what vince has done for the longhorns is incredible, that 500+ yd performance for bush sealed the deal (and young's atrocious play against a&m)

i also think reggie WILL win for that reason

[yankee]

i vote vince young because he is the best qb in the nation. also, look at what lindell white has done. he does all the dirty work for bush. whenever usc is near the goal line, in comes white to power his way thru. bush is fun to watch and has immense explosiveness, but young is just too good.

[Reaganrattler07]

Reggie Bush hands down....

[yankee]

is there such a thing as a co-heisman?

[Reaganrattler07]

is there such a thing as a co-heisman?

No.....and I don't necessarily agree with all of these awards.....it's just based on who has bigger numbers.....meaning if you have an easier schedule, the higher your numbers. It's good that they let actual people vote on these but I do think it should to the most outstanding college football player....whoever it may be. And I think it's Bush.

[DawgDave]

Reggie Bush may actually lose. His teammate, Matt Leinart, won last year.
There are still many who think he should be strongly considered again.
If the west coast voters think along these lines and split the vote, Vince might win it.

[Reaganrattler07]

Reggie Bush may actually lose. His teammate, Matt Leinart, won last year.
There are still many who think he should be strongly considered again.
If the west coast voters think along these lines and split the vote, Vince might win it.

I don't think they wanna give it to Leinart twice and all the talks been about Reggie and Vince.....and a lot of people who had votes were saying Reggie but of course had to give the obligatory "Vince is good". I would be surprised if Reggie didn't win it.

[yankee]

I don't think they wanna give it to Leinart twice and all the talks been about Reggie and Vince.....and a lot of people who had votes were saying Reggie but of course had to give the obligatory "Vince is good". I would be surprised if Reggie didn't win it.
yeah, i expect reggie to win it. if i were a voter though, i would vot young. young is only a junior right? and i know bush is. if they dont go to the nfl, they have another shot to win the heisman.

[Reaganrattler07]

yeah, i expect reggie to win it. if i were a voter though, i would vot young. young is only a junior right? and i know bush is. if they dont go to the nfl, they have another shot to win the heisman.

Reggie's gonna most likely go to the draft and be playing for the Houston Texans.

Y'all wanna know the real reason why Young doesn't wanna be drafted and go another year? So he'll be higher in the draft and won't have to worrya bout Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush being ahead of him.

[yankee]

Reggie's gonna most likely go to the draft and be playing for the Houston Texans.

Y'all wanna know the real reason why Young doesn't wanna be drafted and go another year? So he'll be higher in the draft and won't have to worrya bout Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush being ahead of him.
yeah, leinart's going to san fran. and mack brown wants young to stay.

[dragonfootballfan]

Reggie's gonna most likely go to the draft and be playing for the Houston Texans.

Y'all wanna know the real reason why Young doesn't wanna be drafted and go another year? So he'll be higher in the draft and won't have to worrya bout Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush being ahead of him.
there is not much monetary difference between the first and fifth pick. The amount of money that you would get from another year of earning potential is much better than any difference between the disparity of picks between number one and number 5

[dragonfootballfan]

here is the take of Matt Hayes. He is not what I would call a Texas supporter.

Article Link (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylt=AuuQp1s5TyRcZtEuXPhaScgcvrYF?slug=youngs houldstrikethepose&prov=tsn&type=lgns)

[wide-e-wide]

Reggie's gonna most likely go to the draft and be playing for the Houston Texans.

Y'all wanna know the real reason why Young doesn't wanna be drafted and go another year? So he'll be higher in the draft and won't have to worrya bout Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush being ahead of him.

That and the fact that he promised his Grandmother he would graduate before turning pro. There is no guarantee that Vince would go #1 in the draft next year. It always depends on who has the #1 pick. If none of the first 8 teams to pick need a QB...does that mean Vince is the 9th best player in the draft? No.....it just means nobody needed a QB.

[FootballJunkie]

yeah, leinart's going to san fran. and mack brown wants young to stay.

DIDn't San Fran just draft Alex Smith as their number one pick last year?? Guess he is ot what they expected:confused:

[Reaganrattler07]

DIDn't San Fran just draft Alex Smith as their number one pick last year?? Guess he is ot what they expected:confused:

It'd be stupid for San Fran if they pick up Leinart. They got Alex Smith and if I remember, got injured and sat a few games out. San Fran will choose someone else but I have a strong feeling that the Texans will be having Bush on their sideline.

[Reaganrattler07]

yeah, leinart's going to san fran. and mack brown wants young to stay.

I doubt leinart goes to san fran....especially with Alex Smith already there.

young wants to go high in the draft. And teams need quarterbacks. Bush and Leinart will most likely be the first two picks. Vince'll stay another year and let the "competition" take care of itself so he can slide in and be one of the top picks (if not #1).

I still doubt Young will be an excellent qb in the pros...

[dragons08]

i voted for young, it would have to heisman is like the mvp, and USC has reggie bush AND matt leinhart who can both have huge days and are key guys who "split" the load, VY HAS TO produce EVERY game or the longhorns lose

i know i know "bush's 500+ game yada yada yada" but what about the "down" games, wasnt it a few weeks ago when people were like reggies streak of subpar reggie games would make him lose the heisman

[Reaganrattler07]

i voted for young, it would have to heisman is like the mvp, and USC has reggie bush AND matt leinhart who can both have huge days and are key guys who "split" the load, VY HAS TO produce EVERY game or the longhorns lose

i know i know "bush's 500+ game yada yada yada" but what about the "down" games, wasnt it a few weeks ago when people were like reggies streak of subpar reggie games would make him lose the heisman

They just did a "highlight" on espn (it's on behind me) and I turned around and watched it for a while....and Reggie Bush is just a plain beast. He's fast and can break tackles.....VY's supporting cast helps him a lot more than anything. Now, Bush's supporting cast no doubt helps him but I think Bush is the better of the two.....who needs to throw when you can just hand it off to him!

[dragonfootballfan]

They just did a "highlight" on espn (it's on behind me) and I turned around and watched it for a while....and Reggie Bush is just a plain beast. He's fast and can break tackles.....VY's supporting cast helps him a lot more than anything. Now, Bush's supporting cast no doubt helps him but I think Bush is the better of the two.....who needs to throw when you can just hand it off to him!
why in the most important play of USC's season was the ball not anywhere close to in bush's hands? On 4th and 9 they threw a pass to a receiver. Reggie Bush was not close to the ball. The truth is USC did have the ball in the hands of their two best players, Leinart and Jarret.

[Reaganrattler07]

why in the most important play of USC's season was the ball not anywhere close to in bush's hands? On 4th and 9 they threw a pass to a receiver. Reggie Bush was not close to the ball. The truth is USC did have the ball in the hands of their two best players, Leinart and Jarret.

Unless your an absolute moron, you don't run it on 4th and 9....of course your gonna pass.

As for Leinart winning the game. Who wouldn't have gone with the QB sneak? And heck, supposedly Bush "pushed" him in so technically he had a hand in it!

[dragonfootballfan]

Unless your an absolute moron, you don't run it on 4th and 9....of course your gonna pass.

As for Leinart winning the game. Who wouldn't have gone with the QB sneak? And heck, supposedly Bush "pushed" him in so technically he had a hand in it!
then why did they not pass it to the all-purpose guru and jack of all trades reggie bush? I know that they were going to pass, but if they knew they had to pass then why not pass it to the best player on the field?

I never mentioned the "push". The only play that I was referencing was 4th and 9

[Reaganrattler07]

then why did they not pass it to the all-purpose guru and jack of all trades reggie bush? I know that they were going to pass, but if they knew they had to pass then why not pass it to the best player on the field?

I never mentioned the "push". The only play that I was referencing was 4th and 9

They probably had reggie bush covered.....and USC's got some pretty decent recievers.....

As for the push....I know you never mentioned it but I knew it was going to come up sooner or later if it already hasn't come up.

[dragonfootballfan]

They probably had reggie bush covered.....and USC's got some pretty decent recievers.....

As for the push....I know you never mentioned it but I knew it was going to come up sooner or later if it already hasn't come up.
It was a designed play for Jarrett. Leinart never even looked in another direction.

[Reaganrattler07]

It was a designed play for Jarrett. Leinart never even looked in another direction.

Alright then...it was designed for him then. They might've expected Leinart to pass to Bush or something. Not every pass or handoff needs to go to Reggie. It'd be nice for Reggie. But They're obviously not going to hand it off or pass to him constantly.

[dragonfootballfan]

Alright then...it was designed for him then. They might've expected Leinart to pass to Bush or something. Not every pass or handoff needs to go to Reggie. It'd be nice for Reggie. But They're obviously not going to hand it off or pass to him constantly.
I would like to remind you of the post that you made no more than a couple hours ago.

They just did a "highlight" on espn (it's on behind me) and I turned around and watched it for a while....and Reggie Bush is just a plain beast. He's fast and can break tackles.....VY's supporting cast helps him a lot more than anything. Now, Bush's supporting cast no doubt helps him but I think Bush is the better of the two.....who needs to throw when you can just hand it off to him!

[wide-e-wide]

And heck, supposedly Bush "pushed" him in so technically he had a hand in it!

Supposedly?

okay....and supposedly water is wet and the sky is blue.
You should have changed your username to Ray Charles rattler....

[Reaganrattler07]

I would like to remind you of the post that you made no more than a couple hours ago.

For one the "who needs to throw when you can hand it off to him" was a joke....obviously you need a supporting cast, one man can't do everything....only guy I can think off the top of my head who did a lot was Slingin' Sammy Baugh.....played quarterback, played defense and even punted (and set a record or two in that as well). But even he had 10 other guys who supported him.

[dragonfootballfan]

For one the "who needs to throw when you can hand it off to him" was a joke....obviously you need a supporting cast, one man can't do everything....only guy I can think off the top of my head who did a lot was Slingin' Sammy Baugh.....played quarterback, played defense and even punted (and set a record or two in that as well). But even he had 10 other guys who supported him.
well in Texas's most important moment of the season the ball was in Vince Young's hand. The same cannot be said for Reggie Bush in his team's biggest game. Young has more runs of 40 yards or more. Young leads the NCAA in plays over 40 yards. Plays over 40 yards to me are electrifying plays. How can the most electrifying player in college football, not have the most electrifying plays?

[Reaganrattler07]

well in Texas's most important moment of the season the ball was in Vince Young's hand. The same cannot be said for Reggie Bush in his team's biggest game. Young has more runs of 40 yards or more. Young leads the NCAA in plays over 40 yards. Plays over 40 yards to me are electrifying plays. How can the most electrifying player in college football, not have the most electrifying plays?

For me, the biggest game is the next one and I'm guessing the "big game" you were talking about was Notre Dame? Well, in that big game, Reggie Bush had 160 yards rushing, and 3 touchdowns. Meaning he scored 18 pts (kicker got the 3). So Reggie Bush technically "led" his team up until that point. Did he finish it for them? No, his supporting cast did.

Oh, and of course Vince Young is gonna have the ball in his hands for "texas's most important moment".....he's the quarterback.

[Reaganrattler07]

And lets not forget Bush's recieving yards - 35 And his returning (punts/kickoffs) yards - 70 yards combined

[dragonfootballfan]

For me, the biggest game is the next one and I'm guessing the "big game" you were talking about was Notre Dame? Well, in that big game, Reggie Bush had 160 yards rushing, and 3 touchdowns. Meaning he scored 18 pts (kicker got the 3). So Reggie Bush technically "led" his team up until that point. Did he finish it for them? No, his supporting cast did.

Oh, and of course Vince Young is gonna have the ball in his hands for "texas's most important moment".....he's the quarterback.
I think that the quarterback could hand the ball off at the biggest moment if his halfback was the best player on the team

[dragonfootballfan]

And lets not forget Bush's recieving yards - 35 And his returning (punts/kickoffs) yards - 70 yards combined
that is great, but when the game was on the line in the final drive, what were his stats?

[Reaganrattler07]

that is great, but when the game was on the line in the final drive, what were his stats?

If your tight on time, most people don't like running it. Honestly, If I had good recievers and an awesome running back and I had 30 seconds left, I wouldn't take a chance on running it and letting the clock run. That's more of Pete Carroll's decision....and he doesn't seem to care about making his players look like Heisman material as the weasel mack brown does. Pete Carroll probably does care deep down....but it's probably not as important to him as it is to mack brown.

[yankee]

i forgot about alex smith. then where will leinart go?

[BAMF cowboy]

if leinart hadn't have won last year, vince would win this year. That's right...no typos here. My reasoning being that Reggie and Leinart would split enough of the 'west coast votes' in order to give vince the lead with most of the remaining votes. However, since Leinart had his time last year, despite being absolutely sensational again this year, I think it's Reggie's time.

[farmerfan]

then why did they not pass it to the all-purpose guru and jack of all trades reggie bush? I know that they were going to pass, but if they knew they had to pass then why not pass it to the best player on the field?

I never mentioned the "push". The only play that I was referencing was 4th and 9


You do know that they had a 3rd and 19 and Bush took a pass play for 10 yards to put them in posistion for 4th and 9. They were playing man coaverage on Jarrett which is why Lienart audibled to the play they ran. After that conversion it was on the strength of Bush that they got down to the 2 yard line on runs of 7 and 6. Bush had 160 yards rushing and 3td's in that game. I think when the game was on the line he produced pretty big.

As far as him deserving the heisman, Im not so sure. Im no college football expert and I had my doubts about Vince early in teh year. I think both Bush and Vince are deserving of it and in most cases the one who does not win the heisman usually comes out and wins the national title game.

[dragonfootballfan]

If your tight on time, most people don't like running it. Honestly, If I had good recievers and an awesome running back and I had 30 seconds left, I wouldn't take a chance on running it and letting the clock run. That's more of Pete Carroll's decision....and he doesn't seem to care about making his players look like Heisman material as the weasel mack brown does. Pete Carroll probably does care deep down....but it's probably not as important to him as it is to mack brown.
I need some sort of proof for that statement. Either links to quotes by both coaches or to an interview.

[TexasRed6x]

It is going to be a hard call to see who's going to end up winning the Heisman but the battle for the heisman between Bush and Young is going to be really tough to call. They both have great stats and the ability to jump out and kill you if you don't have a strategy to keep them from busting out to have a monster game.

[dragonfootballfan]

You do know that they had a 3rd and 19 and Bush took a pass play for 10 yards to put them in posistion for 4th and 9. They were playing man coaverage on Jarrett which is why Lienart audibled to the play they ran. After that conversion it was on the strength of Bush that they got down to the 2 yard line on runs of 7 and 6. Bush had 160 yards rushing and 3td's in that game. I think when the game was on the line he produced pretty big.

As far as him deserving the heisman, Im not so sure. Im no college football expert and I had my doubts about Vince early in teh year. I think both Bush and Vince are deserving of it and in most cases the one who does not win the heisman usually comes out and wins the national title game.
I am just saying that I feel it comes down to Vince and Leinart and not Vince and Reggie. The best player on USC is Leinart and the best player on Texas is Vince Young. Reggie Bush is probably third best out of all of the players in the country. I have to give the edge to Young because of his ability to both run and throw and is third in passing efficiency while Leinart is fifth.

[Reaganrattler07]

I need some sort of proof for that statement. Either links to quotes by both coaches or to an interview.

I said he seems like the sorta guy.....read carefully

[Reaganrattler07]

You do know that they had a 3rd and 19 and Bush took a pass play for 10 yards to put them in posistion for 4th and 9. They were playing man coaverage on Jarrett which is why Lienart audibled to the play they ran. After that conversion it was on the strength of Bush that they got down to the 2 yard line on runs of 7 and 6. Bush had 160 yards rushing and 3td's in that game. I think when the game was on the line he produced pretty big.

Ah ok, I wasn't able to watch the game cause I had a football game of my own to be at.

[dragonfootballfan]

I said he seems like the sorta guy.....read carefully
I need a link that gives you the ability to make an assumption like that. You can not make a negative statement toward someone and not expect to have someone ask why you made that statement. Show me why you think that way about both coaches, or else I will have to continue to think that this is just some of your regular BS.

[Reaganrattler07]

I need a link that gives you the ability to make an assumption like that. You can not make a negative statement toward someone and not expect to have someone ask why you made that statement. Show me why you think that way about both coaches, or else I will have to continue to think that this is just some of your regular BS.

It's just my assumptions of the two coaches. I don't see Pete Carrol too much in the national media, he seems like a more down-to-earth, business guy. Whereas Mack Brown gets on national tv every chance he gets to hype his players.

[FootballJunkie]

Unless Reggie Bush just does not show up on Saturday against UCLA...he will win the Heisman!!! Young will be second and Leinhart will be third. Young beating a
7-4 Colorado..AGAIN won't help him. Bush and company beating a 10-1 UCLA WILL help him.

[Reaganrattler07]

Unless Reggie Bush just does not show up on Saturday against UCLA...he will win the Heisman!!! Young will be second and Leinhart will be third. Young beating a
7-4 Colorado..AGAIN won't help him. Bush and company beating a 10-1 UCLA WILL help him.

That and Young's performance against Texas A&M didn't help him.

[dragonfootballfan]

It's just my assumptions of the two coaches. I don't see Pete Carrol too much in the national media, he seems like a more down-to-earth, business guy. Whereas Mack Brown gets on national tv every chance he gets to hype his players.
we are in Texas. You will see the coach of Texas on TV more than you will see a coach of a California team. When was the last time Mack Brown went on national TV with the sole purpose of hyping his players? When was the last time that a down to earth, business guy planned a prank where someone pretended to commit suicide? Why were there any cameras there at that time when they do not have TV cameras at any other practices?

[FootballJunkie]

we are in Texas. You will see the coach of Texas on TV more than you will see a coach of a California team. When was the last time Mack Brown went on national TV with the sole purpose of hyping his players? When was the last time that a down to earth, business guy planned a prank where someone pretended to commit suicide? Why were there any cameras there at that time when they do not have TV cameras at any other practices?

I don't know about Mack on TV hyping players but I believe it was this time last year he was on TV begging for a BCS spot though.:D

[dragonfootballfan]

I don't know about Mack on TV hyping players but I believe it was this time last year he was on TV begging for a BCS spot though.:D
some call it begging, while others call it lobbying. Whatever it was, it actually cost him votes in the long run. Atleast his players did not go on tv and complain after the fact and call other people names

[FootballJunkie]

some call it begging, while others call it lobbying. Whatever it was, it actually cost him votes in the long run. Atleast his players did not go on tv and complain after the fact and call other people names

Kind of reminds me of 1997 when Mr. Osbourne and the Nebraska players were "lobbying" for the split title. In other words begging:D But hey it worked!!

[Reaganrattler07]

I don't know about Mack on TV hyping players but I believe it was this time last year he was on TV begging for a BCS spot though.:D

Others call it whining....others call it crying....

[dragonfootballfan]

Others call it whining....others call it crying....
I think that whining is a stretch, but I can see it. Crying on the other hand is not anywhere near what he did. Never did he shed a tear, nor did he ever yell out loudly. Could you please explain why it was crying? I would really like to know how you came to your conclusion.

[Reaganrattler07]

I think that whining is a stretch, but I can see it. Crying on the other hand is not anywhere near what he did. Never did he shed a tear, nor did he ever yell out loudly. Could you please explain why it was crying? I would really like to know how you came to your conclusion.

Crying of course is an exagerration....I know you'd hate to see your hero break out in tears but you cannot deny the whining.....if you don't deny it. Then you need to take off the orange tinted sunglasses.

[dragonfootballfan]

Crying of course is an exagerration....I know you'd hate to see your hero break out in tears but you cannot deny the whining.....if you don't deny it. Then you need to take off the orange tinted sunglasses.
I don't think that he was whining. Whether he was whining or not can be debated. Can you please answer my other posts above about mack hyping his players on tv and carroll be a more business like coach before we get into this.

[Reaganrattler07]

I don't think that he was whining. Whether he was whining or not can be debated. Can you please answer my other posts above about mack hyping his players on tv and carroll be a more business like coach before we get into this.

Because whenever I watch ESPN and they have Pete carroll on, he's talking about the next team and how they're going to stop them. Whenever I see Mack Brown he's talking on how good his players are and how much of a better team they are than others.

[dragonfootballfan]

Because whenever I watch ESPN and they have Pete carroll on, he's talking about the next team and how they're going to stop them. Whenever I see Mack Brown he's talking on how good his players are and how much of a better team they are than others.
well whenever I see pete carroll on tv he is throwing someone off of a building. Whenever I see Mack Brown on TV he is talking about all sorts of things. Do you think that the questions that they ask have something to do with what they say? The last time I saw Mack Brown on ESPN all they talked about was the Heisman trophy. I remember him saying that he wishes there were three trophys to give to Bush, Leinart, and Young. Man he was really hyping his players then

[stevefoxsc]

illl say this im glad Texas made rose bowl in 05 was that not one helluva game to the wire, whinning crying bit.... w/e you wana call it, it was worth every secound of that game.

[GTown02]

IF Vince does not have a steller day tomorrow, Bush has it. Every heisman voter will look at last week as the turning point. Bush's 500 total yards of offense, vs Vince's arguably worst game as a Longhorn really changed some voters minds. I want Vince to win it, but Bush impressed a lot of people last week against FS. Vince needs to go off on Colorado tomorrow to change those votes back in his favor.

[stevefoxsc]

IF Vince does not have a steller day tomorrow, Bush has it. Every heisman voter will look at last week as the turning point. Bush's 500 total yards of offense, vs Vince's arguably worst game as a Longhorn really changed some voters minds. I want Vince to win it, but Bush impressed a lot of people last week against FS. Vince needs to go off on Colorado tomorrow to change those votes back in his favor.

assuming young want's it bad enough he will rock the vote and unleash the beast

[BigWhiteJake]

if Leinart does outstanding versus UCLA and Young has a great day then he should have it...i dont know how many MORE 500+ games VY would have if we let Mountain West teams compete with us for 4 quarters... and my god if Vince ran kicks back....wow

[berkner]

vince young hands down

[FootballJunkie]

For all you Heisman watchers Reggie Bush has 105 yards in the 1st Qtr!!;)

[Texasfrog]

For all you Heisman watchers Reggie Bush has 105 yards in the 1st Qtr!!;)

Vince Young had a great 1st half also against a defense (Colorado) that is probably better then UCLA's defense.

Next... Vincent Young didnt play in most of the second half when he could of padded "STATS" for probably another 2 or 3 tds and total offense.

We'll see how much "trash stats" Reggie Bush gets in the second half against an extrememly poor UCLA defense. It's almost like playing against air.

I bet Bush gets about 20 touches with the ball in the 2nd half.

[DirtyHarry01]

Isn't it funny how Vince's yards against an unranked, pathetic Colorado team are good, but Reggie Bush's yards against a ranked UCLA team are "trash yards." You UT backers take the cake.

[Texasfrog]

Isn't it funny how Vince's yards against an unranked, pathetic Colorado team are good, but Reggie Bush's yards against a ranked UCLA team are "trash yards." You UT backers take the cake.

Shaaa.. UCLA is ranked because they played nobody for 90% of the season.

They were also extremely lucky in a few games this season. Arizona proved to me a few weeks ago that UCLA was a joke. What did that no name Arizone team do to the mighty UCLA ? Wasnt it like 55-10 or something like that ?? UCLA is #12th in the nation then little green marshen men are running around planet earth OK.

UCLA defense is on par with "AIR." In fact go get those little green marshen men and let them play defense for UCLA because those 11 jokes in UCLA uniforms trying to play defense are funny.

Basically what I'm telling you is UCLA defense is a JOKE !! So is Fresno St defense that was taken apart last night by the mighty LA Tech.

Next.. I'm also talking about "trash yards" in the second half. Vincent Young didnt play in the 2nd half but two little short field series. He could of padded his stats with alot of 2nd half "trash yards" if the Texas coaching staff wanted him to.

I'm sure Pete Carroll will make sure Reggie Bush gets about 20 touches in the 2nd half and gets alot of 2nd half "TRASH STATS" against a pathetic UCLA defense.

When if he played for the Texas staff he would probably get about 5 touches.

[FootballJunkie]

Shaaa.. UCLA is ranked because they played nobody for 90% of the season.

They were also extremely lucky in a few games this season. Arizona proved to me a few weeks ago that UCLA was a joke. What did that no name Arizone team do to the mighty UCLA ? Wasnt it like 55-10 or something like that ?? UCLA is #12th in the nation then little green marshen men are running around planet earth OK.

UCLA defense is on par with "AIR." In fact go get those little green marshen men and let them play defense for UCLA because those 11 jokes in UCLA uniforms trying to play defense are funny.

Basically what I'm telling you is UCLA defense is a JOKE !! So is Fresno St defense that was taken apart last night by the mighty LA Tech.

Next.. I'm also talking about "trash yards" in the second half. Vincent Young didnt play in the 2nd half but two little short field series. He could of padded his stats with alot of 2nd half "trash yards" if the Texas coaching staff wanted him to.

I'm sure Pete Carroll will make sure Reggie Bush gets about 20 touches in the 2nd half and gets alot of 2nd half "TRASH STATS" against a pathetic UCLA defense.

When if he played for the Texas staff he would probably get about 5 touches.


Frog although I never agree with you...I do think Young deserves the heisman... I don't think he will win because at the present USC is destroying UCLA and Bush is the main reason why!!!:eek:

[dragonfootballfan]

Isn't it funny how Vince's yards against an unranked, pathetic Colorado team are good, but Reggie Bush's yards against a ranked UCLA team are "trash yards." You UT backers take the cake.
UCLA is the worst rush defense in the pac-10 and is like 100th against the rush. I guess those are almost as high quality as yards gained against the fifth best team in the country Fresno State

[HOOKEM]

College football.com has this article why Vince could win the Heisman, but probably won't.
Why Vince Young deserves the Heisman Trophy.

Yeah, the Heisman race is over. Matt Leinart was my guy ever since the Notre Dame game for reasons beyond mere stats, but I couldn’t in good conscience vote for anyone but Reggie Bush. He has been the signature player of the 2005 season and the best player in college football this year, but it’s not as much of a slam-dunk as you might think.

I sat and stared at my ballot for a solid 20 minutes before I could bring myself to write the words Reggie and Bush, but not because Bush isn’t worthy. Vince Young deserves it every bit as much, and here are ten reasons why.

10. Limas Sweed, David Thomas and Billy Pittman
These are the best Texas receivers. Unless you’re a die-hard Texas fan, you’ve never heard of them. Thomas is a more-than-solid tight end and Sweed has NFL potential, but this isn’t exactly the receiving corps the Longhorns had a few years ago when Roy Williams and B.J. Johnson were leading the way. Even so …

9. … Young leads the nation in pass efficiency …
… as well as yards per attempt averaging 9.72 yards on every throw. And to think, many were wondering if he could grow into a consistent thrower. Young isn’t just an improved passer …

8. … he’s still one of college football’s best runners.
Young might not have the Gale Sayers-like moves of Reggie Bush, but he’s every bit the home run hitter. Remember, not only are we talking about a player who’s the nation’s best passer this year, we’re talking about a guy who has 850 rushing yards and nine touchdowns. While the Heisman isn’t a career award, it’s interesting to note that Bush has 3,087 rushing yards and 24 touchdown runs in 38 games, while Young, and remember, he’s a quarterback, has rushed for 2,927 yards and 34 touchdowns in 36 games.

7. Oklahoma State
If you’re going to gush over Bush coming up with a fantastic performance to save USC in the Fresno State game, then you have to give Young just as much credit for saving UT’s season against Oklahoma State. Fine, so OSU stinks, but it was decent enough to beat Texas Tech the week after losing to Texas. After a lousy first half and down 28-12, Young took his game to another level finishing with a career-high 267 rushing yards highlighted by an 80-yard touchdown run on the opening drive of the second half as part of a 35-0 run.

6. Matt Nordgren
Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush belong among the top 100 college football players of all-time, but USC might still be in the Rose Bowl with John David Booty at quarterback and LenDale White playing an even more prominent role. No offense to Matt Nordgren, but Texas is playing Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl if Young didn’t stay healthy all year. You don't think it's pressure to know you have to stay healthy? That’s why …

5. … Young is the 2005 MVP
It clearly states on the ballot that the Heisman Memorial Trophy is awarded to the Outstanding College Football Player of the United States for 2005, but we all know that it’s also about the most valuable player. No one player did more for his team than Young did. Quick, name another Longhorn.

4. It’s unfair to not vote for Young because you think he can win it next year.
In 2001, many voters picked Nebraska’s Eric Crouch, a senior, over Rex Grossman, a sophomore, because of the flawed notion that Grossman, who was the best player in college football that year, still had two more years to win the Award. He was dinged up throughout 2002 and left for the NFL after his junior year. Things happen. Young could get hurt next year, he could choose to leave for the NFL, Adrian Peterson could rip off 2,000 yards, or a variety of other things could happen. If you think Young was the best player in college football in 2005, then you must vote him number one.

3. Ohio State
There’s no better win this season than the Longhorn victory over Ohio State in Columbus. If you’re going to give Heisman credit to Matt Leinart for his tremendous fourth down pass to keep the Notre Dame game alive, then you have to give Young love for his 24-yard touchdown pass to Limas Sweed to beat the Buckeyes.

2. The team’s dominance
Before you dog the Big 12 schedule, find the conference this year that’s all that and a bag of Fritos. Texas beat six teams that are going to bowls and three in UL Lafayette, Oklahoma State and Texas A&M that were close. Even so, Texas has outscored teams 50.92 to 14.58 per game. Take out the close call to Ohio State and Texas outscored everyone else by a ridiculous average of 39 points per game. The Longhorns would’ve been good without Young, probably 10-1, 9-2 at worst before the Big 12 Championship, but they wouldn’t have been unbelievable.

1. Mack Brown
Texas is 23-1 over the last two seasons, and it was unbelievable before Young arrived. However, the team never got over the Big 12 title hump under Brown and was always seen as a bit of an underacheiver. There wasn't a really big game that Brown couldn't lose, or at least that was the knock. Young has Mack Brown-proofed this team taking the heat off the much-maligned head coach. At halftime of the Oklahoma State game, Brown appeared relaxed, calm and cool knowing Young wasn’t going to let this team lose. He was right. Young has busted through the Brown jinx and taken the team on his shoulders. He has become a transcendent player who belongs in the discussion of the greatest college quarterbacks of all-time, and he deserves to win the Heisman. Unfortunately, he happened to have his magical season the same year Reggie Bush did.

[TexasRed6x]

The Heisman race is down to USC(Bush and Leinart) vs.Texas(Vince Young)

[jtk1519]

I was interested to see that only three (Young, Bush & Leinart) were even invited to New York. I thought they always brought in 5 guys.

[dragonfootballfan]

I was interested to see that only three (Young, Bush & Leinart) were even invited to New York. I thought they always brought in 5 guys.
my guess is that these guys were the only ones that received any significant amount of votes. I thought there were always 5 guys, but if they did not receive any votes, why have them there other than making it easier to fill time in the 1 hour television show

[Crank_It]

UCLA is the worst rush defense in the pac-10 and is like 100th against the rush. I guess those are almost as high quality as yards gained against the fifth best team in the country Fresno State


108th to be exact, and after that massacre it'll surely go down. As much as i want VY to win it, I just don't see it happening, especially since the media is just eating up everything Reggie has to say and VY likes to keep a low key when it comes to media, thats all it is, a big prom king election, at least this year anyway.

[BigWhiteJake]

thats weird only three were invited..