Southlake Offense - D1 Players

[The Great Evaluator]

has there ever been a team in Texas with more D-1 players on offense than Carroll's team this year?

Mcelroy - Tech
Jacobsen - BYU
Renfro - TCU, Baylor, others
Fentriss - Ok. St.
James Allen - Kansas, Ok. St.
Corbin Smiter - Wisconsin, Utah
Michael Prince - He's D1 but i don't know his list
Tre' Newton - Soph will probably be one by his sr. year
Riley Dodge - Ditto above

A ridiculous 9 players headed for D1???

I challenge anyone to name a team that has/had more than that.

[BAMF cowboy]

Don't forget defense and sp teams:

Agnew - Tulsa
Benoist - Vanderbilt
Simpson - Navy

and look for Boydston, maybe Powers and Reece, and Ortega to have offers!

[singularity]

Wow...that is impressive. Dragon fans...is that the result of superior training, or are you guys talent magnets?

[RidgePride]

has there ever been a team in Texas with more D-1 players on offense than Carroll's team this year?

Mcelroy - Tech
Jacobsen - BYU
Renfro - TCU, Baylor, others
Fentriss - Ok. St.
James Allen - Kansas, Ok. St.
Corbin Smiter - Wisconsin, Utah
Michael Prince - He's D1 but i don't know his list
Tre' Newton - Soph will probably be one by his sr. year
Riley Dodge - Ditto above

A ridiculous 9 players headed for D1???

I challenge anyone to name a team that has/had more than that.
I seriously doubt Riley Dodge - He is just too small. Look at Chase Wasson 5A player of the year and went to Texas State. I can see the same thing happening for Riley.

[dragonbuck]

has there ever been a team in Texas with more D-1 players on offense than Carroll's team this year?

Mcelroy - Tech
Jacobsen - BYU
Renfro - TCU, Baylor, others
Fentriss - Ok. St.
James Allen - Kansas, Ok. St.
Corbin Smiter - Wisconsin, Utah
Michael Prince - He's D1 but i don't know his list
Tre' Newton - Soph will probably be one by his sr. year
Riley Dodge - Ditto above

A ridiculous 9 players headed for D1???

I challenge anyone to name a team that has/had more than that.

Evaluator,
I wouldn't count RD and Little Nate as D1 just yet. Potential is huge, but lots can happen in 2 years both positively and negatively. They are both injury prone, yet never know when to avoid a hit. Fun to watch, but they scare me as a parent.

[farmerfan]

What about Boydston? that guy along with Benoist is the heart and sould of your defense in my mind. Boydston has to be garnering some D1 attention.

[dragonsdaddy]

rdodge could be a very good slot receiver, in the mold of wesley welker. he'll have to shoot up to play d-1 qb. btw, chase wasson caught the first td in the come from behind win for texas state last weekend.

[farmerfan]

Don't forget defense and sp teams:

Agnew - Tulsa
Benoist - Vanderbilt
Simpson - Navy

and look for Boydston, maybe Powers and Reece, and Ortega to have offers!

my fault i didnt see the bottom part of your post.

[dragonfootballfan]

Wow...that is impressive. Dragon fans...is that the result of superior training, or are you guys talent magnets?
I do not think that the talent level at the school has changed. The reason that there are so many kids getting scholarships this year is that NCAA coaches have noticed how disciplined and the work ethic of the kids. The National media attention really helps as does having a very good coaching staff with connections. There are also a lot of what I would call smaller schools that don't usually get the top recruits close to the DFW area.

[dragonfootballfan]

What about Boydston? that guy along with Benoist is the heart and sould of your defense in my mind. Boydston has to be garnering some D1 attention.
Boydston is the most interesting to me. I think that he may be the best player on the team and yet is not getting much a attention. I don't know why, but there must be a reason

[taco_bockley]

i thought i heard 88' dallas carter cowboys had 17 in one year
I think lufkin produce more players to d1 schools year in and year out tha southlake carroll

[yankee]

I seriously doubt Riley Dodge - He is just too small. Look at Chase Wasson 5A player of the year and went to Texas State. I can see the same thing happening for Riley.
your right. hes only got me by an inch or 2 and im 5 foot 9. but you dont have to be tall to be a qb. look at reggie ball of georgia tech. ok, so hes not the greatest qb buts hes only 5 '10. and hes a fast little guy too.

[singularity]

I do not think that the talent level at the school has changed. The reason that there are so many kids getting scholarships this year is that NCAA coaches have noticed how disciplined and the work ethic of the kids. The National media attention really helps as does having a very good coaching staff with connections. There are also a lot of what I would call smaller schools that don't usually get the top recruits close to the DFW area.
Good discipline makes sense. The college coaches will be able to mold them into the players they want rather than getting a hotshot that won't play unless hes a star.

[singularity]

I think lufkin produce more players to d1 schools year in and year out tha southlake carroll
That's beacause they are corn-fed country boys.;)

[dragonsdaddy]

That's beacause they are corn-fed country boys.;)
there's very little country and even less corn in lufkin.

[singularity]

I know...I just thought I'd make a play on the old Texas football player stereotype. They are all farmers sons who know how to work...I'll tell you what!

[dragons08]

your right. hes only got me by an inch or 2 and im 5 foot 9. but you dont have to be tall to be a qb. look at reggie ball of georgia tech. ok, so hes not the greatest qb buts hes only 5 '10. and hes a fast little guy too.
rileys like old 16 yeard old or young 17 year old? so i dont know if he'll grow a lot more

[CoveFan05]

I seriously doubt Riley Dodge - He is just too small. Look at Chase Wasson 5A player of the year and went to Texas State. I can see the same thing happening for Riley.

Texas State is still considered D1, just not D1-A

[drgnbkr]

Boydston is the most interesting to me. I think that he may be the best player on the team and yet is not getting much a attention. I don't know why, but there must be a reason

I've heard that Boydston does'nt want to play in college..just wants to enjoy it...If he were to change his mind, he might be the most eligible recruit of the bunch...

[bhs06]

I know South Grand Prairie has quite a few, I know 6 of their defenders are going D1.

[Slim-Rob]

has there ever been a team in Texas with more D-1 players on offense than Carroll's team this year?

Mcelroy - Tech
Jacobsen - BYU
Renfro - TCU, Baylor, others
Fentriss - Ok. St.
James Allen - Kansas, Ok. St.
Corbin Smiter - Wisconsin, Utah
Michael Prince - He's D1 but i don't know his list
Tre' Newton - Soph will probably be one by his sr. year
Riley Dodge - Ditto above

A ridiculous 9 players headed for D1???

I challenge anyone to name a team that has/had more than that.

Michael Prince's List(rivals.com):
Colorado State
Iowa State
Missouri
Utah
Vanderbilt
Louisiana-Laf.
New Mexico St.
Texas-El Paso

[yankee]

rileys like old 16 yeard old or young 17 year old? so i dont know if he'll grow a lot more
i never said he was gonna grow. my point was that he doesnt have to be tall to be at D1A school.

[dragonsdaddy]

i never said he was gonna grow. my point was that he doesnt have to be tall to be at D1A school.
are you sure? there aren't many if any passing or even dual threat qbs of his stature at the d-1 level.

[RidgePride]

i never said he was gonna grow. my point was that he doesnt have to be tall to be at D1A school.
To be a D1 Quarterback he better be at least 6'.

I know there are instances where short quarterbacks have made it, But it is still against the odds.

[RidgePride]

Texas State is still considered D1, just not D1-A
Your right I was thinking D1A not D1AA.

[Redneckn]

The ones that are going out of state should be benched as punishment.

[The Great Evaluator]

Carter did have 17 d-1 recruits but I think the majority and most high profile players were on offense. Several of you have made good points about Tre and Riley have a ways to go but that still leaves 7 D-1 players on the offensive side of the ball which is mind boggling - all the skill position players and 1 offensive lineman. Is it any wonder they are unstoppable?

[rancher52]

Actually 8 or 9 happens a great deal (and you threw in two underclassmen). Two or three years ago, even Keller High had 8 D-1 signees (led by Hugh Charles at Colorado) ... which really surprised me. I would think teams like Lufkin, Westlake, and others who have had a history of putting players at the D-1 level have high numbers year end and year out. I remember in the mid nineties when SLC had their first D-1 player... I think it was a Fernandez kid that played tackle. The notoriety of their program and success has really put them on the map over the past few years and they are reaping benefits from that success.

[yankee]

To be a D1 Quarterback he better be at least 6'.

I know there are instances where short quarterbacks have made it, But it is still against the odds.
yes it is against the odds to make it to D1A, but im sure he knows that. look at chase daniel. he was over 6 feet but ut still didnt want him until after the state game. riley will have a tough time getting into a big school, but i think he'll get in anyway.

[yankee]

are you sure? there aren't many if any passing or even dual threat qbs of his stature at the d-1 level.
no theres not, your're right. ill try to get more names. chase daniel i know is a dual threat qb whos not very tall.

[dragonbuck]

Boydston is the most interesting to me. I think that he may be the best player on the team and yet is not getting much a attention. I don't know why, but there must be a reason

Boydston is super, but what position would he play at the D1 level? Think how huge DE's are at D1 schools - 6'6, 260ish and fast. He may get a smaller D1 offer due to his heart, work ethic and talent.

[The Great Evaluator]

Actually 8 or 9 happens a great deal (and you threw in two underclassmen). Two or three years ago, even Keller High had 8 D-1 signees (led by Hugh Charles at Colorado) ... which really surprised me. I would think teams like Lufkin, Westlake, and others who have had a history of putting players at the D-1 level have high numbers year end and year out. I remember in the mid nineties when SLC had their first D-1 player... I think it was a Fernandez kid that played tackle. The notoriety of their program and success has really put them on the map over the past few years and they are reaping benefits from that success.

"A great deal?" Names please?

[southlake thug]

Boydston is super, but what position would he play at the D1 level? Think how huge DE's are at D1 schools - 6'6, 260ish and fast. He may get a smaller D1 offer due to his heart, work ethic and talent.


I could see Boydston as a smaller, slower, Demarcus Ware type of player. A little D-End and a little LB. He is going to need to get quicker though. The Kid is a beast though, and he has the heart of a lion.

[dragonsdaddy]

no theres not, your're right. ill try to get more names. chase daniel i know is a dual threat qb whos not very tall.
chase has size/bulk that riley will never have. he is big enough to play defense if necessary.

[VB Pack Fan]

How many times have we had a thread of this type. How many kids a team has going to D1. A lot may go D1, but what impact to they make after they get there. We got to remind ourselfs that the schools mention in here are not the only ones that have kids going D1. A lot of these kids that people are talking up will just be another jersey on the side lines. You can be a "shark in high school, but at the next level just a little fish in the pond". I tell them to get the education at whatever school they like. You can be a bank president longer than football player..........;)

[GarlandOwl06]

Southlake Carrol is great but the colleges those kids are getting recruited by are nothing special. Still good to be able to get that many kids at the d-1 level but nothing special

[yankee]

Southlake Carrol is great but the colleges those kids are getting recruited by are nothing special. Still good to be able to get that many kids at the d-1 level but nothing special
nothing special? since when has garland had players and a lot of them go to D1 schools. sounds pretty special to me 2 get all these players to d1 schools.

[yankee]

chase has size/bulk that riley will never have. he is big enough to play defense if necessary.
here are some other players:
Shaun Carney of Air Force is 5 '10. He has over 700 rushing yards and 1300+ passing yards.

Brett Basanez of Northwestern. He might be tall though. 3000+ passing yards and nearly 400 on the ground but he has 7 rushing tds.

And Reggie Ball has nearly 400 rushing yds. and nearly 2000 passing yds. and hes only 5-11. so ur right there arent too many dual-threat short qb's out there but riley can still make it.

[allendad]

Yes, I know I don't know your players that well.

What number is Boydston and what position does he play?

This will sound crappy, but it isn't meant to.

When Allen played y'all, Jacobson was very impressive as a total receiver. His routes were clean, he stretched well for balls, had good separation speed, and was very physical.

Renfro has speed, but that is about all I saw from him. He caught a ball and turned around. A db was right there to nail him and he dropped to the turf faster than anyone I've ever seen. One good hit at the D1 level and he'd break in two. Of course the guy would have to catch him first.

I loved the way the Carroll receivers straight-arm the defenders and refused to be tackled. This is an element that is taught and shows the tenacity of the coaching staff.

Just my observations, but then . . . . I'm the king of MY universe!

Allendad

[drgnbkr]

Yes, I know I don't know your players that well.

What number is Boydston and what position does he play?

This will sound crappy, but it isn't meant to.

When Allen played y'all, Jacobson was very impressive as a total receiver. His routes were clean, he stretched well for balls, had good separation speed, and was very physical.

Renfro has speed, but that is about all I saw from him. He caught a ball and turned around. A db was right there to nail him and he dropped to the turf faster than anyone I've ever seen. One good hit at the D1 level and he'd break in two. Of course the guy would have to catch him first.

I loved the way the Carroll receivers straight-arm the defenders and refused to be tackled. This is an element that is taught and shows the tenacity of the coaching staff.

Just my observations, but then . . . . I'm the king of MY universe!

Allendad

Boydston is #75..Renfro weighs about 155, fair comment..Jacobson was great as a soph and has improved each year...the WR's are well schooled in 7 on 7 and spent countless hours on proper use of their hands in catching the ball..you'll almost never see one of them catch it close to their chest...

[VB Pack Fan]

Southlake Carrol is great but the colleges those kids are getting recruited by are nothing special. Still good to be able to get that many kids at the d-1 level but nothing special

Garlandowl06 has a valid point. There are the big boys like Texas, A&M, LSU,USC, and the list goes on. I think he means how many are at those type schools, and I don,t mean kickers.

[drgnbkr]

Garlandowl06 has a valid point. There are the big boys like Texas, A&M, LSU,USC, and the list goes on. I think he means how many are at those type schools, and I don,t mean kickers.

Just a couple of years ago Carroll was lucky to have any D-1 kids..they have always been more a team than a bunch of stars...

[sldragondad]

What about Boydston? that guy along with Benoist is the heart and sould of your defense in my mind. Boydston has to be garnering some D1 attention.


Right!! Also when SLC makes it to the final. Boydston will have started 48 Games!! Record can be tied not broken.

[singularity]

Can a freshman not play Varsity football?

[BAMF cowboy]

I thought Mitch Enright of last year had 50+

[BAMF cowboy]

someone said earlier that they arent getting recruited from 'big' schools. Well I think it's very impressive, as someone else said a few years ago carroll would DREAM of having d1 prospects. Also, slc is known for not having the biggest athletes, but they have team speed and play hard and smart.

[dragonsdaddy]

Right!! Also when SLC makes it to the final. Boydston will have started 48 Games!! Record can be tied not broken.
i think enright had 53 starts. he had 10 as a freshman then 16+16+11(appendectomy).

[SLC fan]

Have Fentriss, Smiter, and Allen actually been offered scholarships from the schools listed?

[singularity]

he had 10 as a freshman
I'll take that as a yes.

[dragonfootballfan]

Have Fentriss, Smiter, and Allen actually been offered scholarships from the schools listed?
I don't think so

[dragonfootballfan]

I'll take that as a yes.
Freshman can play varsity

[ktCarl]

I bet Katy's QB Dalton would love to see Renfro at TCU.

[yankee]

I bet Katy's QB Dalton would love to see Renfro at TCU.
why?

[drgnbkr]

why?

Um..maybe because hes perpetually open...?

[yankee]

Um..maybe because hes perpetually open...?
well wouldnt every qb like to have renfro then? why did he happen to pick katy's qb. just b/c he lives there? and no hes not perpetually open. whatever that means.

[dragonsdaddy]

maybe the kt qb is going to tcu.

[yankee]

maybe the kt qb is going to tcu.
thanks for answering my question. do u know that for a fact

[The Great Evaluator]

The point of this thread is not so much to say that all of these kids will go on to be impact players at the next level - clearly they won't. What's impressive to me is that 1 team would have that much talent at the same time. It's not often that you see something like that.

[yankee]

The point of this thread is not so much to say that all of these kids will go on to be impact players at the next level - clearly they won't. What's impressive to me is that 1 team would have that much talent at the same time. It's not often that you see something like that.
yeah, and it might be a while before we ever see it again. unless some other school has a good crop of players...

[implacable44]

has there ever been a team in Texas with more D-1 players on offense than Carroll's team this year?

Mcelroy - Tech
Jacobsen - BYU
Renfro - TCU, Baylor, others
Fentriss - Ok. St.
James Allen - Kansas, Ok. St.
Corbin Smiter - Wisconsin, Utah
Michael Prince - He's D1 but i don't know his list
Tre' Newton - Soph will probably be one by his sr. year
Riley Dodge - Ditto above

A ridiculous 9 players headed for D1???

I challenge anyone to name a team that has/had more than that.


Renfro hasn't signed and I will be suprised if he lasts on the football field - I assume after 1 or 2 years he will be track exclusive.
Have Fentriss, Allen or Smiter been offered? I know for sure Utah will offer Smiter if they lose a few prospects. but I hadn't heard about Wisconson. When I was a senior I got letters from all over the place but I didn't consider it an offer until I saw the paper on the table - are these for sure?

and we are covering a 3-year period I am sure there are schools with far more than that in a 3-year period -Lufkin - Carter

Judson from 89 - 91 had :
Mike Hendricks
Robert Reed
Brent Mccollum
Mike Jinx
Darnell Stephens
Mark Soto
Jerrod Douglas
dewey gray
earl kaufmann

i know i am forgetting several - jerrod was there in 92

[The Great Evaluator]

Not a 3 year period, these guys are all major contributors on this year's team. As for solid offers i don't have all that info but i think they will all sign somewhere in February.

[southlake thug]

They will most likely sign by Feb. There is still alot of time for that kind of stuff. I would like to see Ortega get an offer, but with his injury and the difficulty for kickers it will be tough. He should be able to walk-on somewhere though.

[my3sons]

05 team has many college players on it. A lot of recognition has come to SLC in the past 4 years. It happens when you win 2 state championships and play for another (albeit a loss), then are in the hunt for another. How many colleges think a high school program with a 60-1 record in 4 years is worthy to look at? The 05 players benefit from the exposure and the 06 team will as well. You think Justin Padron, Kyle Russo, the Ford Twins have drawn any interest from the colleges? I would say they benefit as seniors because of what they have been part of since freshmen.

[maverick523]

I believe the record for most D1 players that were starters on a team go to the 1984 SA Madison State Semifinalist team that lost to Beaumont French. That team had 12 D1 scholarship players, four of which became college all-americans. That team was lead by QB Kelly Archer (who played LB at Texas Tech), and best friends RB Mitchell Price (Tulane), and WR/DB Jimmy Young (LSU). Jim Rodrigue who was SA Madison's head coach during that '84 season is now the principal at Smithson Valley. Price and Young originally accepted scholarships to play at SMU. Right after they went up there SMU was given "the death penalty" for violating NCAA rules. Young ended up being a two time all-american WR at LSU and his best friend Price ended up being an all-american DB at Tulane. Their senior year the two child hood friends squared off and Mitchell Price inadvertantly blew out Jimmy Young's left knee on a sideline tackle. Young was projected to be the first WR taken in the NFL draft, but the injury kept him from being drafted all together. Young never was able to completely recover and never played in the NFL. Mitchell Price played defensive back and returned punts for the Bengals. In 1991 he returned a punt for a touchdown on Monday Night Football against the Seahawks, and while holding up the ball moments after the TD return looked into the sideline camera and said "This one's for Jimmy".

[drgnbkr]

05 team has many college players on it. A lot of recognition has come to SLC in the past 4 years. It happens when you win 2 state championships and play for another (albeit a loss), then are in the hunt for another. How many colleges think a high school program with a 60-1 record in 4 years is worthy to look at? The 05 players benefit from the exposure and the 06 team will as well. You think Justin Padron, Kyle Russo, the Ford Twins have drawn any interest from the colleges? I would say they benefit as seniors because of what they have been part of since freshmen.
The Fords are juniors.

[CCBoy]

Renfro hasn't signed and I will be suprised if he lasts on the football field - I assume after 1 or 2 years he will be track exclusive.
Have Fentriss, Allen or Smiter been offered? I know for sure Utah will offer Smiter if they lose a few prospects. but I hadn't heard about Wisconson. When I was a senior I got letters from all over the place but I didn't consider it an offer until I saw the paper on the table - are these for sure?

and we are covering a 3-year period I am sure there are schools with far more than that in a 3-year period -Lufkin - Carter

Judson from 89 - 91 had :
Mike Hendricks
Robert Reed
Brent Mccollum
Mike Jinx
Darnell Stephens
Mark Soto
Jerrod Douglas
dewey gray
earl kaufmann

i know i am forgetting several - jerrod was there in 92
Carter had six players from the state team play in the NFL.

[Dragonuncle]

Yes, I know I don't know your players that well.

What number is Boydston and what position does he play?

This will sound crappy, but it isn't meant to.

When Allen played y'all, Jacobson was very impressive as a total receiver. His routes were clean, he stretched well for balls, had good separation speed, and was very physical.

Renfro has speed, but that is about all I saw from him. He caught a ball and turned around. A db was right there to nail him and he dropped to the turf faster than anyone I've ever seen. One good hit at the D1 level and he'd break in two. Of course the guy would have to catch him first.

I loved the way the Carroll receivers straight-arm the defenders and refused to be tackled. This is an element that is taught and shows the tenacity of the coaching staff.

Just my observations, but then . . . . I'm the king of MY universe!

Allendad


Allendad, Was that before or after the second play of the game when Renfro caught a 5 yard pass then stiff armed the big bad arse DB from Allen and ran untouched for a 44 yard touchdown, or was it before or after the second drive when he out fought the same DB for a jump ball at the one to set up the 2nd touchdown. Now it could of been after they benched that same DB for SLC's third drive. Which was it?

[dragonsdaddy]

there is something else that is taught. the best receiver is one that can be ready to play the next playy. why would you put your game breaker in a position to be injured. his style of play is to make you pay with points and yards not bruises. as a coach, would you have him do anything else. i'd also have my qb go out of bounds a yard earlier than the lb too.

[crunked9]

I do not think that the talent level at the school has changed. The reason that there are so many kids getting scholarships this year is that NCAA coaches have noticed how disciplined and the work ethic of the kids. The National media attention really helps as does having a very good coaching staff with connections. There are also a lot of what I would call smaller schools that don't usually get the top recruits close to the DFW area.


Wish we had that!! ;) who knows where 6 and 9 and 7 and 2 ans 10 and 5 and 88 would of ended up!

[implacable44]

Not a 3 year period, these guys are all major contributors on this year's team. As for solid offers i don't have all that info but i think they will all sign somewhere in February.

it is a 3-year period -0 dodge and newton are sophs ( well if you can really be a 17-year old soph) man I missed the boat there I graduated at 17 -- if I would have had 2 more years in highschool ---

another factor you fail to consider is the money that allows these kids to go to camps that kids from other schools cannot afford to do. The SLC kids get increased exposure - not only from their success on the field but their ability to fly out to USC or FLorida or Utah and attend summer camps - Nike Camps Combines in San Antonio from their Freshman year going forward.

[SLC fan]

implacable, he's not talking about which schools have produced the most D1 recruits over a given three year period. He's asking how many offenses have had as many *contributing* players as good as Carroll's during a *single* season. Carroll may have some stud WR on JV that we don't know about, but he doesn't count since he's not contributing this year.

[implacable44]

implacable, he's not talking about which schools have produced the most D1 recruits over a given three year period. He's asking how many offenses have had as many *contributing* players as good as Carroll's during a *single* season. Carroll may have some stud WR on JV that we don't know about, but he doesn't count since he's not contributing this year.

I know what he is saying - and everyone I listed for Judson was a contributor and there are some I missed. It is still a 3-year period of CONTIRBUTORS if you want to add that disclaimer. Like I already stated - I am sure schools like Lufkin, Carter, Yates - Northshore can more than compare to those numbers and since some of those names stated have not even received an offer yet it is still an irrelevant point.

[HeadMan]

another factor you fail to consider is the money that allows these kids to go to camps that kids from other schools cannot afford to do. The SLC kids get increased exposure - not only from their success on the field but their ability to fly out to USC or FLorida or Utah and attend summer camps - Nike Camps Combines in San Antonio from their Freshman year going forward.

This argument is tired. To say that every one of those kids went to Nike Camp from freshman year forward and are jetsetting across the U.S. with all of their magical Southlake money is ridiculous. :rolleyes: Although there could be exceptions, I would highly doubt that this is the norm. Other arguments along this line say that players at Carroll all have personal trainers because they can afford them and that must be why they're better, all the increased special attention. Nowadays, when Carroll kids are getting recruited, people like to come back to this and formulate some opinion about how it must be the money, that's why they get scholarships now. Well they still had the money five years ago! And back then all anyone did was talk about how they weren't good athletes. Also, camps are not what get kids offered (although they may provide a coach with a look), film is. What it comes down to is that these guys put in all the extra work into building themselves up as well as building a winning tradition, nothing of which having to do with money. Don't bash unless you know what you're talking about.

[GarlandOwl06]

nothing special? since when has garland had players and a lot of them go to D1 schools. sounds pretty special to me 2 get all these players to d1 schools.


Yankeeman im not dogging carrol by all means. I love watching them and how they play football, but it is truth that none besides maybe Daniels is at worthy college(mizzou) I mean Wasson is at Texas State. Its great though that they can send that many to college.

But to answer your question of when Garland has had players go D1..... its actually tons every year. This year alone we have Dante Sloan(Minnesotta), Brandon Antwine(USC/Florida), John Murphy, Buddy Brummit(Texas Tech), Devin McCdowell(OSU), and Tim Crosby(Minnesota)..... that's six. In 2002 I believe we had Taruence Rawls (Texas Tech) Steve Richardson (Texas) Tata Thompson (aTm) Deandre Jackson (Iowa State) Brandon Tapps(Duke which I know aint great) sooo most the time we put out at least 5 to 6 guys D1 every year. In 2004.... J.D. Quinn (OU) Jammar Crane(Wisconsin) Bobby Chalk(Iowa State) Brandon Holmes(Vanderbilt) Jonathon Hughes (Air Force) So usually 5 or 6 every year.

[southlake thug]

Yankeeman im not dogging carrol by all means. I love watching them and how they play football, but it is truth that none besides maybe Daniels is at worthy college(mizzou) I mean Wasson is at Texas State. Its great though that they can send that many to college.

But to answer your question of when Garland has had players go D1..... its actually tons every year. This year alone we have Dante Sloan(Minnesotta), Brandon Antwine(USC/Florida), John Murphy, Buddy Brummit(Texas Tech), Devin McCdowell(OSU), and Tim Crosby(Minnesota)..... that's six. In 2002 I believe we had Taruence Rawls (Texas Tech) Steve Richardson (Texas) Tata Thompson (aTm) Deandre Jackson (Iowa State) Brandon Tapps(Duke which I know aint great) sooo most the time we put out at least 5 to 6 guys D1 every year. In 2004.... J.D. Quinn (OU) Jammar Crane(Wisconsin) Bobby Chalk(Iowa State) Brandon Holmes(Vanderbilt) Jonathon Hughes (Air Force) So usually 5 or 6 every year.


O yeah I guess you wouldn't consider OU (Hartey) or Iowa (Chandler) good colleges? The list goes on and on. Look at the colleges of this years players also. How can you say that Mizzou is the only "worty college" that has SLC players. Please, learn your ***** before you talk on here.

[dragonfootballfan]

But to answer your question of when Garland has had players go D1..... its actually tons every year. This year alone we have Dante Sloan(Minnesotta), Brandon Antwine(USC/Florida), John Murphy, Buddy Brummit(Texas Tech), Devin McCdowell(OSU), and Tim Crosby(Minnesota)..... that's six.
how many of those play just offense? The post was about Carroll's offense and how they may have six division 1 players in one year on just that side of the ball.

[dragonsdaddy]

Yankeeman im not dogging carrol by all means. I love watching them and how they play football, but it is truth that none besides maybe Daniels is at worthy college(mizzou) I mean Wasson is at Texas State. Its great though that they can send that many to college.

But to answer your question of when Garland has had players go D1..... its actually tons every year. This year alone we have Dante Sloan(Minnesotta), Brandon Antwine(USC/Florida), John Murphy, Buddy Brummit(Texas Tech), Devin McCdowell(OSU), and Tim Crosby(Minnesota)..... that's six. In 2002 I believe we had Taruence Rawls (Texas Tech) Steve Richardson (Texas) Tata Thompson (aTm) Deandre Jackson (Iowa State) Brandon Tapps(Duke which I know aint great) sooo most the time we put out at least 5 to 6 guys D1 every year. In 2004.... J.D. Quinn (OU) Jammar Crane(Wisconsin) Bobby Chalk(Iowa State) Brandon Holmes(Vanderbilt) Jonathon Hughes (Air Force) So usually 5 or 6 every year.
adam ulatowski is at a grudgingly admitted "worthy" college -tu.

[football fanatic]

Don't forget defense and sp teams:

Agnew - Tulsa
Benoist - Vanderbilt
Simpson - Navy

and look for Boydston, maybe Powers and Reece, and Ortega to have offers!

There is no way Powers is D-1. He is a generous 5-10". He has the heart of a champion and is very strong, but you can't play D-1 defensive tackle under 6-2".

Riley is also a little small. He also has a history of bad injuries. Dont plan on playing college QB at 5-10".

McElroy isnt even a very big quarterback. He has a good frame, but he is much shorter than Joe Mauro and Taylor Potts. He is listed at 6-2" i think, but not sure. He looks a little taller than that. McElroy has at least 4-5" on Dodge.

[implacable44]

This argument is tired. To say that every one of those kids went to Nike Camp from freshman year forward and are jetsetting across the U.S. with all of their magical Southlake money is ridiculous. :rolleyes: Although there could be exceptions, I would highly doubt that this is the norm. Other arguments along this line say that players at Carroll all have personal trainers because they can afford them and that must be why they're better, all the increased special attention. Nowadays, when Carroll kids are getting recruited, people like to come back to this and formulate some opinion about how it must be the money, that's why they get scholarships now. Well they still had the money five years ago! And back then all anyone did was talk about how they weren't good athletes. Also, camps are not what get kids offered (although they may provide a coach with a look), film is. What it comes down to is that these guys put in all the extra work into building themselves up as well as building a winning tradition, nothing of which having to do with money. Don't bash unless you know what you're talking about.

First of all I did not attribute the success of SLC or its players to money - I said that is a contributing factor other schools don't enjoy. It allows for those kids to get more exposure than say a Kyle Fox at Judson for example. For you to think otherwise is foolish and misleading. Another advantage is having one highschool. The program begins at an earlier age than most schools which is beneficial in the success of the system and building the tradition. I find it humorous you want to discount the benefits that money brings. The SLC receiver that was injured last year had a personal trainer, therapist and masseuse. Camps do help and kids have been offered at camps before and will again in the future. Relationships are built at camps.

I do know what I am talking about and I am not bashing -- just stating facts. There are kids every year that get scholarships that dont ever produce at the college level but they got that exposure - had that relationship from early on and had potential. Money is not the reason Southlake is successful but it is a factor - no matter how small and insignificant you think it is.

[GarlandOwl06]

How many Carrol players are in the NFL.

[dragonsdaddy]

i believe kris brown is it.

[southlake thug]

First of all I did not attribute the success of SLC or its players to money - I said that is a contributing factor other schools don't enjoy. It allows for those kids to get more exposure than say a Kyle Fox at Judson for example. For you to think otherwise is foolish and misleading. Another advantage is having one highschool. The program begins at an earlier age than most schools which is beneficial in the success of the system and building the tradition. I find it humorous you want to discount the benefits that money brings. The SLC receiver that was injured last year had a personal trainer, therapist and masseuse. Camps do help and kids have been offered at camps before and will again in the future. Relationships are built at camps.

I do know what I am talking about and I am not bashing -- just stating facts. There are kids every year that get scholarships that dont ever produce at the college level but they got that exposure - had that relationship from early on and had potential. Money is not the reason Southlake is successful but it is a factor - no matter how small and insignificant you think it is.

I'll agree with most of what you say, but I don't understand how money makes SLC that much better then anyone else. Does a masseuse really help you win that many games?

The ability to travel to camps can increase your chance of getting a scholarship, but that has no affect on the way the Dragons play as a team. Money may help with individual "talent" or scholarship opportunities but I dont see how that helps them win games.

[VB Pack Fan]

How many Carrol players are in the NFL.

Not very many, only Brown the kicker I think.This is not a slight, but after high school they blend in on the sidelines ,like most other players.When they get to college they find players as good of better then themselfs.That is one reason I never take much stock in bragging about how many kids we have going D1, because Lufkin has had a many that go to college and just fade away and never even make the starting line up.:eek:

[LoneStarProud]

I've heard that Boydston does'nt want to play in college..just wants to enjoy it...If he were to change his mind, he might be the most eligible recruit of the bunch...

Thats interesting. Iv'e been watching him all year too and I think he has been one of the most if not the most dominate defensive player this year for the Dragons.

[berkner]

none of these kids will be anything when they get to d1 ball.... but they are great in high school:D

[allendad]

DRAGONUNCLE,

I believe that you have gone to too many games this year to remember them individually.

Renfro didn't stiff-arm the corner on that first touchdown play.
"Out fought the DB" for that pass . . . . Once again you must be thinking of some other game because that didn't happen.

I was sitting there looking right into his face when he dropped to the turf. I saw his eyes get as big as saucers.

I appreciate that what i said might not sit well with you, but I was making an observation that had NO emotion involved.

To try to make Renfro out to be some kind of physical specimen is a reach to put it mildly.

I'd still love to have him on my team in H.S., but D1?

Allendad

[Dragonuncle]

Allendad, you need to have your eyes checked. Check out these two links. First one is a picture from the DMN showing the stiff arm, second one is a video showing him out fighting the Db for the ball. Both from the Allen game. On the third point, I think Renfro shows great smarts at 155 lbs. in not taking a hit, instead of gaining 5 yds without a hit or to gain 7 yds with a hit. That is not his game. His game is GAMEBREAKER!!!!!. Got it????

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/football/vitindex.html

http://www.insidehighschoolfootball.com/registered/highlights.shtml

go to the SLC vs Allen game first play in the show. Area round

Now tell me again it didn't happen!!

[dragonfootballfan]

none of these kids will be anything when they get to d1 ball.... but they are great in high school:D
please tell me what the lottery numbers will be next week as well.

[Sakatha]

Allendad, you need to have your eyes checked. Check out these two links. First one is a picture from the DMN showing the stiff arm, second one is a video showing him out fight the Db for the ball. Both from the Allen game. On the third point, I think Renfro shows great smarts at 155 lbs. in not taking a hit, instead of gaining 5 yds without a hit or to gain 7 yds with a hit. That is not his game. His game is GAMEBREAKER!!!!!. Got it????

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/football/vitindex.html

http://www.insidehighschoolfootball.com/registered/highlights.shtml

go to the SLC vs Allen game first play in the show. Area round

Emmitt Smith became the all-time leading rusher in the NFL by not taking big hits.

~DnM

[Dragonuncle]

Allendad, Any response? I got more proof if your memory needs it.:)

[dragonsdaddy]

DRAGONUNCLE,

I believe that you have gone to too many games this year to remember them individually.

Renfro didn't stiff-arm the corner on that first touchdown play.
"Out fought the DB" for that pass . . . . Once again you must be thinking of some other game because that didn't happen.

I was sitting there looking right into his face when he dropped to the turf. I saw his eyes get as big as saucers.

I appreciate that what i said might not sit well with you, but I was making an observation that had NO emotion involved.

To try to make Renfro out to be some kind of physical specimen is a reach to put it mildly.

I'd still love to have him on my team in H.S., but D1?

Allendad


please reread, or just read my earlier post. ask coach westy if he would have a similar wr for allen try to take as many physical shots as possible. if he agrees with you, that may be why your pos will be short-lived at best.

[Dragonuncle]

there is something else that is taught. the best receiver is one that can be ready to play the next playy. why would you put your game breaker in a position to be injured. his style of play is to make you pay with points and yards not bruises. as a coach, would you have him do anything else. i'd also have my qb go out of bounds a yard earlier than the lb too.

Daddy, I'll make it easy for him. Got it now Allendad??:eek: No one ever said Renfro's game was physical his game is hands, speed.

[Dragonuncle]

Allendad, This link will provide you with a clear picture of the stiff arm that didn't happen per you! After you hit the link scroll down to the fourth picture. Now tell me that didn't happen again. Four points - #1That is Clint. #2That is the Allen DB. #3 That is a stiff arm. #4 That was a TOUCHDOWN after the stiff arm of course.

http://www.southlakefootball.com/dragons%20photos%2005.htm

Any questions?

[Dragonuncle]

Allendad, Can I get a amen brother? I never doubted that Renfro didn't take that hit, there was no reason for him to. What I doubted was your selective memory!!:D Can we now agree that those other things I said did happen or is the video proof not enough.:eek:

[BigtimeO-line]

A ridiculous 9 players headed for D1???

I challenge anyone to name a team that has/had more than that.

FB Marshall

OFFENSIVE SENIORS
James Thomas - UTEP
Dimitri Lott - Texas Tech
Chris Herrerra - Miss. State
Corey Kimble - (hasn't given a top choice)
A.J. Ruffins - (will sign D1 football if not D1 basketball which is his choice sport)
Q. Carlock - (hasn't given a top choice)
John Pittman - (I think has the ability for D1, but size may have him at D1AA, wont find out until signing day)

DEFENSIVE SENIORS
Sean Estelle - Colorado
Brandon Cooper - Miss. State
Royzell Smith - UTEP
Marcus Washington - Miss. State
Derrick Poe - (hasn't given a top choice)
Elton Tate - (hasn't given a top choice)
Kevin Weeden - (hasn't given top choice)

But wait there's more (all have promising chance of going D1)
JUNIORS
Justin Adams - DT (1st team All-District)
Jeremy Butcher - QB
Keyshawn Carrington - OT
Jamarion Cavness - RB (1st team All-District) *yes, he's UT's Grady Cavness' son*
Tony Cavness - QE *he's also Grady Cavness' son*
Adrian Edmonds - Center (1st team All-District)
Alan Reitzell - OG
Kendrick Matthews - SS

well you can take my word for it or not, Marshall was loaded with D1 worthy players this year... No wonder they had the most D1 commits in the Nation before the season started.

[Dragonuncle]

bump for Allendad:)

[my3sons]

As mentioned previously, exposure helps. Especially playoff exposure when you get to the championship game 3 years in a row and play 18 extra games. The same thing helps the juniors get recruited. How many SLC players committed before the season? Players like Padron, the 2 Fords, and Russo are already getting letters from D1 schools as juniors. All are sterters and have been to 2 state championship games already and are poised for a third. They obviously are talented as well. Exposure!

[allendad]

Dragonuncle and who's your Daddy,

While I appreciate your links . . . . . .

I see NO, NONE, NINGUNO evidence of Renfro "out fighting" a DB for that pass!

What I do see is a DB with his back to the ball and a pass being caught that was thrown over the DB's head.

If you call that still photo proof that a "stiff-arm" was thrown on that play You might want to redefine the term "Stiff-Arm". A "stiff-Arm" pushes the defender's head back preventing the would-be tackler from reaching the receiver's body.

The DB's head clearly never went back because the receiver had turned up-field and the DB was caught too far back when the pass was thrown. By the time he got anywhere near the receiver, he(Renfro)simply put his hand up to 'usher him' on by and say, "Adios!"

I do have a great memory for what I SAW.

I do NOT take a single frame of photography and try to build a great story around it.

I realize that you and 'Daddy' are like other Carroll boosters. Criticism hits you right in the heart and you can't handle it.

You might have more invested in defending Renfro from ANY criticism. Are you Clint's uncle? You find it difficult when others do not find Renfo to be near the receiver that you feel he is. I appreciate that you feel that he is all world. I saw 3 other Carroll receivers that I was much more impressed with.

In my prior post I said that I had no emotion invested in my observations. It is not as easy for you and "Daddy" to do the same. Bummer!

I know EXACTLY what I saw in the Allen game.

Having just read all these posts about my eye sight, etc. AND, watching the links you have provided . . . . . .

I truly do appreciate the proof that you provided showing how right I AM in my assessment of Renfro.

Thanks again!

Allendad

P.S. If you want to see what happens to a 155 lb. speedster when they "out fight" (Totally YOUR 'vision' of what happened)a DB for the ball . . . . .

Check out that video-clip "proof" of yours.

There you have it!

[Dragonuncle]

You have got to be kidding. If that picture doesn't show a stiff arm tell me what it shows. Never said any where that Renfro was better than anybody. I did say he stiff armed the DB. You said he didn't. The picture is proof POSITIVE that it DID happen. That is what the we have debated among other things. If anybody sees that photo please reply to whether you think that is a stiff arm play or not. Is is head not being pushed down? First I thought your memory was bad, know I know you just need help.:eek: Reality check?????

[SLC Dragon Fan]

Looks like a stiff arm to me

[Sakatha]

So if it wasn't a stiff arm, what was happening there?

The Allen CB just fell to his knees in fear, and Clint was waving at him as he passed?? :)

~DnM

[BigWhiteJake]

theres no doubt tre newton is d1, absolutely none. aundre dean is d1 and newton is far better...and im a katy fan...once again ill say what i said the first time i saw SLC play, this is the best high school football team ive ever seen.

[allendad]

Sakatha and Uncle,

You have obviouly NEVER received a "stiff-arm".

You are making your evaluation from a still photo after the fact rather than going on first hand experience.

If you saw the play in person you would have seen that the DB was totally out of position and Renfro turned up and the DB could not get his body in postion to make a tackle. Renfro's hand is not keeping the defender away. He never had an angle on Renfro.

In the "proof" photo, the DB's is inline with his body. Renfro's BENT "stiff-arm" is having NO effect on the tackler.

Being that I sat there and watched the play happen, I know exactly what happened. I am not trying to make something out of a Photo I saw the next day. As it happened I told the guy next to me, "Man, Renfro just totally out ran the corner". I SAW what transpired.

Your analysis is as flawed on this play as on the "out fighting" play.

Allendad

[Dragonuncle]

Do you not think I was at the Game??? I sat on the side of SLC on the 10 yard line next to the endzone, where both plays happen. Assuming your an Allen fan you probably sat on the Allen side correct. If you did you had to be 50-60 yards away from both plays and your telling me that you had a better look at either play than I did. Do you see anybody beside yourself on this board that looked at the picture (I'm sure your were shock to see that their was a picture taken at the exact moment, to prove you WRONG), saying it was not a stiff arm, but since their was video evidence which you still deny I must assume you are an idiot. Next thing you will tell me is that Allen won the game also. I promise you that I know more about the game of football than you will ever know. I played for 16 years at all levels. Been around professional football players and coaches since the day I was born. I'm 48 years old. Can you beat that experience? Were you in the Allen band? I'm done with this thread.

[ruffshod]

North Shore consistently has between 8-12 D1 players year in and year out.

[ruffshod]

I don't think national media attention has anything to do with slc players getting offers. If a kid has the ability to play, the scouts will find him, even if he's at a six-man school.

[LP_FAN_in_Plano]

Allendad, This link will provide you with a clear picture of the stiff arm that didn't happen per you! After you hit the link scroll down to the fourth picture. Now tell me that didn't happen again. Four points - #1That is Clint. #2That is the Allen DB. #3 That is a stiff arm. #4 That was a TOUCHDOWN after the stiff arm of course.

http://www.southlakefootball.com/dragons%20photos%2005.htm

Any questions?
#5 the "stiff arm" is a face mask which if it had been seen by an offical would not have been a TD.

[PantherStang84]

If a kid has the ability to play, the scouts will find him,

I think the high school coach has a lot to do with it as well. A good coach works the phones to get scouts to come and look at their kids.

[allendad]

Dragonuncle,

You lost any credibility that you MIGHT have had.

You had to resort to calling me an idiot.

When you have nothing else to prove your point other than "name calling". you've lost.

I am happy for your cast knowledge of football. 16 years is great. You hang around with pro players and coaches. That's terrific!

You say that you know more about football than I'll ever know . . . . .

That is the funniest thing I've seen on this thread!

You don't know me and what I've done in my life.

You say that your video evidence is proof of what you claim.

I'm still waiting for the video evidence to BACK UP what you claim.
Renfro did not "out fight" anyone in that clip. Watch it again.

I know it is frustrating when people don't believe the propaganda you are trying to push.

But then, you're done with this thread. Right?

Allendad

Arguing about this will get us no where will it?

[Texasfrog]

has there ever been a team in Texas with more D-1 players on offense than Carroll's team this year?

Mcelroy - Tech
Jacobsen - BYU
Renfro - TCU, Baylor, others
Fentriss - Ok. St.
James Allen - Kansas, Ok. St.
Corbin Smiter - Wisconsin, Utah
Michael Prince - He's D1 but i don't know his list
Tre' Newton - Soph will probably be one by his sr. year
Riley Dodge - Ditto above

A ridiculous 9 players headed for D1???

I challenge anyone to name a team that has/had more than that.

Back in about April , I made a post saying that this SLC team could have about 7; D-1A "Seniors" on it and alot of people just thought that was a joke.

[Texasfrog]

North Shore consistently has between 8-12 D1 players year in and year out.

North Shore averages about 3 to 4 (D-1A) signees a year. I think a few years ago they had about 6 (which was a great year for them).

North Shore does send alot of kids into D-1AA football. I believe their State Title team a few years ago had about 7 kids sign with the Southland Conference (SFA and Sam Houston).

[southlake thug]

I know his height will be an issue, but Adam Powers proved to everyone on Saturday that he deserves to be playing D1 football. That was one of the most gusty performances I have seen in a while. With a broken?/dislocated? finger he led the defense to a win.

[slorch]

there's very little country and even less corn in lufkin.

true- and EXTREMELY funny

[my3sons]

The Fords are juniors.

So are Padron and Russo. My post said the 06 team would benefit from the exposure of SLC 02-05 teams. Juniors get exposure when scouts come to see seniors. Scouts come because of success.

[brad@sunshinepreps]

La Marque 2 years ago had I think 9 guys go D-1 then last year had I think 3 guys go D-1, that is 12 in a two year time from one school. Not all on Offense, but still not too bad.

[my3sons]

La Marque 2 years ago had I think 9 guys go D-1 then last year had I think 3 guys go D-1, that is 12 in a two year time from one school. Not all on Offense, but still not too bad.

I heard that LaMarque had 11 D1 signings in 03 (the year they won state in SA Alamo Dome).

[dragonfootballfan]

I saw today that Carroll's all-state tackle Mike Prince has committed to Missouri following former Carroll quarterback Chase Daniel

[dragons08]

I saw today that Carroll's all-state tackle Mike Prince has committed to Missouri following former Carroll quarterback Chase Daniel
im sure chase is glad to get prince out there with him

[southlake thug]

Not real suprised by that. It seemed as if it were either Vandy or Mizzou. And vandy deffinetly messed that one up.

Either way, Big Mike will be a beast up there in Mizzou. Kid is outrageously massive.

[dragonfootballfan]

That brings the list of Carroll committed players to:

Joseph Agnew- Tulsa
Patrick Benoist- Vanderbilt
McKay Jacobson- BYU
Greg McElroy- Texas Tech
Mike Prince- Missouri
Scott Simpson- Navy

There will probably be a couple more. Look for:

Corbin Smiter
Clint Renfro

Some that still have a small small chance

Evan Fentriss
James Allen
Michael Boydston

Even smaller chance, but still a chance

Trey Reece
Adam Powers
Drew Winsett

[dragons08]

That brings the list of Carroll committed players to:

Joseph Agnew- Tulsa
Patrick Benoist- Vanderbilt
McKay Jacobson- BYU
Greg McElroy- Texas Tech
Mike Prince- Missouri
Scott Simpson- Navy

There will probably be a couple more. Look for:

Corbin Smiter
Clint Renfro

Some that still have a small small chance

Evan Fentriss
James Allen
Michael Boydston

Even smaller chance, but still a chance

Trey Reece
Adam Powers
Drew Winsett
boydston being a small chance b/c he doesnt want to play? or being a small chance b/c of skill??

what about ortega? his offers go bye bye when his back went sour

[dragonfootballfan]

boydston being a small chance b/c he doesnt want to play? or being a small chance b/c of skill??

what about ortega? his offers go bye bye when his back went sour
I don't know if either of the players you mentioned have any offers, or if they are currently being scouted. While Ortega is a good player, I don't see a kicker of his caliber getting anything more than prefered walk-on status at a division 1 school.

[yankee]

I don't know if either of the players you mentioned have any offers, or if they are currently being scouted. While Ortega is a good player, I don't see a kicker of his caliber getting anything more than prefered walk-on status at a division 1 school.
i read an article in the dmn, boydston will probably go to a D1 school. and no, ortega hasnt gotten any D1 offers yet.

[pack0808]

has there ever been a team in Texas with more D-1 players on offense than Carroll's team this year?

Mcelroy - Tech
Jacobsen - BYU
Renfro - TCU, Baylor, others
Fentriss - Ok. St.
James Allen - Kansas, Ok. St.
Corbin Smiter - Wisconsin, Utah
Michael Prince - He's D1 but i don't know his list
Tre' Newton - Soph will probably be one by his sr. year
Riley Dodge - Ditto above

A ridiculous 9 players headed for D1???

I challenge anyone to name a team that has/had more than that.


Your adding underclassmen?? If i did that Lufkin had 8 div1a players that signed from the 2003 and 2004 defense. 5 in 2003 and 3 in 2004. They all were a part of the 2003 defense. The best defense in Lufkin's history.


Boydston should definitely be a div1a player. He is impressive.

[pack0808]

If i count underclassmen (without adding sophomores because you cannot tell) Lufkin will have a ton also. I count about 13. At least 9 or 10 of these are a guarantee at the div1a level and 4 have a good shot.


L Hewitt
EJ Shankle
R Thomas
Dez Bryant
J Claybon
R Murphy
AJ Penson
R Taylor
J Hernandez
M Roberts
E Taylor
J Turner
J Harris

[Drake]

I do not think that the talent level at the school has changed. The reason that there are so many kids getting scholarships this year is that NCAA coaches have noticed how disciplined and the work ethic of the kids. The National media attention really helps as does having a very good coaching staff with connections. There are also a lot of what I would call smaller schools that don't usually get the top recruits close to the DFW area.1. College recruiters (at the D1 level) are not interested in work ethic. While they certainly prefer kids with character, they know that the kids they get will either work hard or they won't play. Too many other kids with talent willing to work for a slot. They look for physical ability and skill. If SLC has that many D1 college prospects its because they have shown some.

2. Playing at some of the elite programs with some of the better coaches HURTS players in recruiting. College recruiters/coaches know for instance that a Katy kid is probably as strong, fast, and techniqued as he's going to get. By contrast, a kid from a lesser coached program showing just as much talent has room to improve....

[dragonfootballfan]

1. College recruiters (at the D1 level) are not interested in work ethic. While they certainly prefer kids with character, they know that the kids they get will either work hard or they won't play. Too many other kids with talent willing to work for a slot. They look for physical ability and skill. If SLC has that many D1 college prospects its because they have shown some.

2. Playing at some of the elite programs with some of the better coaches HURTS players in recruiting. College recruiters/coaches know for instance that a Katy kid is probably as strong, fast, and techniqued as he's going to get. By contrast, a kid from a lesser coached program showing just as much talent has room to improve....
Are you a college recruiter? If not, have you asked one these questions? I know that I have spoken with more than a few, and your comments are way off base.

[Drake]

Are you a college recruiter? If not, have you asked one these questions? I know that I have spoken with more than a few, and your comments are way off base.Nope, haven’t spoken with any college recruiters, I think for myself...

I have trained racehorses successfully and there are a lot of parallels really… 1) I’d much rather have a horse that can run, even if it’s temperamental or unprofessional, than one that’s slower than a fat man but easy to work with, and 2) I never bought or claimed a horse off of a good trainer because I knew the horse was probably showing all he could do…

[dragonfootballfan]

Nope, haven’t spoken with any college recruiters, I think for myself...

I have trained racehorses successfully and there are a lot of parallels really… 1) I’d much rather have a horse that can run, even if it’s temperamental or unprofessional, than one that’s slower than a fat man but easy to work with, and 2) I never bought or claimed a horse off of a good trainer because I knew the horse was probably showing all he could do…
well before you start comparing human beings with animals you should probably talk to recruiters in order to see what they look for, before you say what they are looking for.

[Drake]

well before you start comparing human beings with animals you should probably talk to recruiters in order to see what they look for, before you say what they are looking for.Why? If I talked to 2 or 3 recruiters and they told me they were recruiting at SLC because they heard about SLC in the national media, and that they are looking for kids that have been well-coached and worked hard, I would automatically think they were poor recruiters. Also, I would never ASSUME that these few recruiters represented the thoughts of all recruiters...

Can you name one winning D1 program that is getting it done without loads of talent? If SLC has that much collegiate interests you can bet its because they're extremely talented... Either that or your recruiting friends are there because they're too lazy or scared to put their neck on the line and go find some at a lesser program...

[pack0808]

These SLC kid's are getting div1a scholarships because of their talent. This stereotype has to stop. I have seen this team live 3 different times and they have a ton of athletic talent and speed. It is not just the system, intelligence, and coaching that makes them so good. (That is part of it) They have div1a type athletes also, and having this many div1a recruits are proving it. A div1a football recruiter is not going to recruit a player just because they come from a great program or because they are smart. If they did, i would think they need to find a new recruiter. ;)

[dragonsdaddy]

strake drake is right. recruiters have always taken a little off for playing under a well coached system, that maximizes their kids talents. plano back in the day had recruiters tell the asst coaches that on many occasions. slc and kt both fit the same mold. most of their kids have reached a higher percentage of their potential, and so the upside is less. of course if you think they are already good enough, they are more of a sure thing, too.

[southlake thug]

That brings the list of Carroll committed players to:

Joseph Agnew- Tulsa
Patrick Benoist- Vanderbilt
McKay Jacobson- BYU
Greg McElroy- Texas Tech
Mike Prince- Missouri
Scott Simpson- Navy

There will probably be a couple more. Look for:

Corbin Smiter
Clint Renfro

Some that still have a small small chance

Evan Fentriss
James Allen
Michael Boydston

Even smaller chance, but still a chance

Trey Reece
Adam Powers
Drew Winsett


Well Corbin, Clint, and Boydston have all recieved D1 offers and will end up going to a D1 school.

Fentriss will also end up going D1 and Allen most likely will to.

And Ortega has been asked to walk on to a couple of good schools. The fact that he missed half of the season kind of hurt him,

[dragonsdaddy]

while i agree they could play d-1, who is offering fentriss and allen? slc has had equal and even better receiver recently who didn't get ant d-1 offers.

[Nukka Nilla]

Who offered Corbin? Thug u makin stuff up again? u always exaggerate

[dragonsdaddy]

Who offered Corbin? Thug u makin stuff up again? u always exaggerate
rumor has it that wyoming has.

[dragons08]

Who offered Corbin? Thug u makin stuff up again? u always exaggerate
wyoming, is what i heard

[southlake thug]

Allen is trying to get offered.. but as of right now I guess it isn't working. He is just pissed casue right now the only school that will talk to him is U of Penn.

[dragonsdaddy]

Allen is trying to get offered.. but as of right now I guess it isn't working. He is just pissed casue right now the only school that will talk to him is U of Penn.
every kid that wants to play in college is trying to get offered. doesn't work that way, unfortunately.

[Favpack]

Why go to Wyoming? Texas State would be a much better fit IMO.

[dragons08]

Why go to Wyoming? Texas State would be a much better fit IMO.
he get an offer from Texas State?

[Fat Boy]

has there ever been a team in Texas with more D-1 players on offense than Carroll's team this year?

Mcelroy - Tech
Jacobsen - BYU
Renfro - TCU, Baylor, others
Fentriss - Ok. St.
James Allen - Kansas, Ok. St.
Corbin Smiter - Wisconsin, Utah
Michael Prince - He's D1 but i don't know his list
Tre' Newton - Soph will probably be one by his sr. year
Riley Dodge - Ditto above

A ridiculous 9 players headed for D1???

I challenge anyone to name a team that has/had more than that.

i will challenge that

A&M Consolidated
1. Leroy Thompson - TCU, UH, TECH, A&M...etc theirs more
2. Detron Lewis - To Many To List
3 Apollos Daily - To Many To List
4. Daniel Palmer - Texas, Baylor, etc.......
5. Matt Symanzki - he is just a jr.
6. Ryan Fitzgerald - To Many To List
7. Cleavon Jackson - Baylor
8. Dominick Preston - Soph. Quaterback
9. Matt Coats - Oklah St.
-----------------------------Future D1 Prospects--------------------------
10. Derick Lewis - Fr. Running Back 4.5 40 yrd dash 2 leading rusher in district
11. James Glover - Fr. Full Back 4.6 40 yrd dash 1st leading rusher in district

[dragons08]

the list the great evaulater gave was just offense..

[Fat Boy]

oh i thaught he was talking about both offense and defense

[dragons08]

oh i thaught he was talking about both offense and defense
no the defense for us probally has 3 or 4? maybe more im not sure, ask ddaddy or thug man

[Fat Boy]

i saw the game against katy on tv i recorded it and the best prospect for slc is the quaterback he got matt leinart type of accuracy

[dragonsdaddy]

no the defense for us probally has 3 or 4? maybe more im not sure, ask ddaddy or thug man
benoist and agnew have commited. boydston is not sure he wants to play college ball, i heard. he's almost a sure thing if he decides to. reese is a possible candidate too, but i haven't heard anything about him yet.

[dragons08]

i saw the game against katy on tv i recorded it and the best prospect for slc is the quaterback he got matt leinart type of accuracy
yea mac is a great qb! i got that game right in front of me on DVD..its the SLC Verision of it with the SLC announcers, i got that and the gpvine game right now, i plan to get others..

well i havent accutally opend the Katy one yet, but the cd is right in front of me, but i assume its the SLC Version just like the others..

[dragons08]

benoist and agnew have commited. boydston is not sure he wants to play college ball, i heard. he's almost a sure thing if he decides to. reese is a possible candidate too, but i haven't heard anything about him yet.
padron will defintally play as well, he'll be a great leader for the dragons next year

[dragonfootballfan]

Allen is trying to get offered.. but as of right now I guess it isn't working. He is just pissed casue right now the only school that will talk to him is U of Penn.
That is an Ivy league school. If he can afford it, he should resign himself to the fact that he will not end up in the NFL and take the best education

[dragonfootballfan]

benoist and agnew have commited. boydston is not sure he wants to play college ball, i heard. he's almost a sure thing if he decides to. reese is a possible candidate too, but i haven't heard anything about him yet.
Reese has gained a whole lot of attention in the past couple of weeks.

[BAMF cowboy]

padron will defintally play as well, he'll be a great leader for the dragons next year

I think DFF mentioned it earlier, but Simpson commited to Navy.

[dragonsdaddy]

i'm sorry, i forgot about that.

[BAMF cowboy]

i dont know why i quoted d08 on that last post...must've clicked the wrong one because it was completely irrelevant:p

[dragons08]

i dont know why i quoted d08 on that last post...must've clicked the wrong one because it was completely irrelevant:p
i can understand its like this...

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[dragons08]

I think DFF mentioned it earlier, but Simpson commited to Navy.
i cant belive i forgot to mention scott. his red head makes him stick out enough, not to mention his insane football skills

[HeadMan]

not to mention his insane football skills

More like your insane posting skills, I think you're like 75% of this thread :eek:

[dragons08]

More like your insane posting skills, I think you're like 75% of this thread :eek:
i guess its kind of cool..that when we talk about football players skills, people are like D08 something something something

[DragonPride2010_woodman]

it is a 3-year period -0 dodge and newton are sophs ( well if you can really be a 17-year old soph) man I missed the boat there I graduated at 17 -- if I would have had 2 more years in highschool ---

another factor you fail to consider is the money that allows these kids to go to camps that kids from other schools cannot afford to do. The SLC kids get increased exposure - not only from their success on the field but their ability to fly out to USC or FLorida or Utah and attend summer camps - Nike Camps Combines in San Antonio from their Freshman year going forward.

i dont htink that is true, the reason southlake is so good, is because we've started so early, i am in 8th grade, and this is like my 4th year playing tackle, and we run the same offense as the high school, we learn it early, and we perfect it through the years, and then when were in High school, were ready to do what ever we need to do to win, Southlake is a very competitive town, The coaches in southlake, are amazing, even at my age-level, so don't blame, our superiority on money. okay...:D

[implacable44]

i dont htink that is true, the reason southlake is so good, is because we've started so early, i am in 8th grade, and this is like my 4th year playing tackle, and we run the same offense as the high school, we learn it early, and we perfect it through the years, and then when were in High school, were ready to do what ever we need to do to win, Southlake is a very competitive town, The coaches in southlake, are amazing, even at my age-level, so don't blame, our superiority on money. okay...:D


oh well the fat kid in 8th grade has spoken - thanks for clearing that up -- the search option is your friend by the way. so is reading the entire thread before you post.

[dragons08]

oh well the fat kid in 8th grade has spoken - thanks for clearing that up -- the search option is your friend by the way. so is reading the entire thread before you post.
man you must feel cool, picking on an 8th grader

[dragonator]

man you must feel cool, picking on an 8th grader

Yeah..he's a bully....:cool:

[drgnbkr]

Yeah..he's a bully....:cool:

Yeah dragonator..he's a known agitator.....:D

[HeadMan]

oh well the fat kid in 8th grade has spoken - thanks for clearing that up -- the search option is your friend by the way. so is reading the entire thread before you post.

Grow up, stop trolling. Go to the muddin' thread if you want to mud so bad.

[toonman]

i dont htink that is true, the reason southlake is so good, is because we've started so early, i am in 8th grade, and this is like my 4th year playing tackle, and we run the same offense as the high school, we learn it early, and we perfect it through the years, and then when were in High school, were ready to do what ever we need to do to win, Southlake is a very competitive town, The coaches in southlake, are amazing, even at my age-level, so don't blame, our superiority on money. okay...:D

Good post and keep practising to be a starting Dragon Tackle.

[implacable44]

man you must feel cool, picking on an 8th grader

doesn't he go to Southlake ? he was big enough to express an opinion right ? this is the internet right? is anyone really who they say they are? mmmhhh......

[implacable44]

Grow up, stop trolling. Go to the muddin' thread if you want to mud so bad.

grow up -- stop trolling - go to the middin thread if you want to mud so bad... er dont pick on our southlake kids man - -even when they say something stupid they get a pass -- yeah -- blah blah wah wahmbulance -- wahmbulance

[implacable44]

Yeah dragonator..he's a known agitator.....:D


a known bully and agitator to the stupid on this board.

[dragons08]

doesn't he go to Southlake ? he was big enough to express an opinion right ? this is the internet right? is anyone really who they say they are? mmmhhh......
fine you caught me...im so 98 year old guy who brethes on an oxgyen tank and cant walk or do anything, you caught..:rolleyes:

ive met several people on here, and they seem to be the same they are on hear as they are in person, so maybe your the one 'faking' an idenity?

[southlake thug]

Another SLC player recieved a D1 offer last week when Justin Dreshcer was offered by BC as a deep snapper.

Even Fentriss will also sign with a D1 school.

[Texasfrog]

Another SLC player recieved a D1 offer last week when Justin Dreshcer was offered by BC as a deep snapper.

Even Fentriss will also sign with a D1 school.


Who is all verbally committed from SLC ? What about Boydston ? I always like Boydston but it seems like he doesnt get alot of D-1A love.

[dragonfootballfan]

Recap after more developments

Offense
Committed Players

Mcelroy - Alabama
Jacobsen - BYU
Renfro - TCU
Fentriss - Rice
Corbin Smiter - Rice
Michael Prince - Missouri

Still with a chance for scholarship

James Allen
Justin Drescher - might be holding offers

Defense
Committed Players

Scott Simpson - Navy
Patrick Benoist - Vanderbilt
Agnew - Tulsa

Still with a chance

Michael Boydston - holding offers
Adam Powers
Trey Reece

[dragonsdaddy]

trey is going to penn i last heard. quite an education for him, though as an ivy league school, no scholly.

[dragonfootballfan]

trey is going to penn i last heard. quite an education for him, though as an ivy league school, no scholly.
he may be getting an academic scholarship though. I am not sure on his grades, but it is still a possibility. SMU has been looking at several Carroll players and I know that he was one of them. I wonder if SMU ever pulled the trigger?

[dragonsdaddy]

he was visiting penn 2 weeks ago, and i never heard about it, but he was pretty sure that's where he was headed.

[dragonfootballfan]

he was visiting penn 2 weeks ago, and i never heard about it, but he was pretty sure that's where he was headed.
great for him. It is hard to turn down an Ivy league education if you can pay for it.

[southlake thug]

True Tre will be playin at Penn next year. And Dresch will also be playing at either Colorado or BC.

James Allen chose not to persue and football scholarship next year.

[SLCDad]

Recap after more developments

Offense
Committed Players

Mcelroy - Alabama
Jacobsen - BYU
Renfro - TCU
Fentriss - Rice
Corbin Smiter - Rice
Michael Prince - Missouri

Still with a chance for scholarship

James Allen
Justin Drescher - might be holding offers

Defense
Committed Players

Scott Simpson - Navy
Patrick Benoist - Vanderbilt
Agnew - Tulsa

Still with a chance

Michael Boydston - holding offers
Adam Powers
Trey ReeceThanks for the list. Including the underclassmen there were as many as 15 D1 players who started for SLC last year. Wow!

Huge holes to fill for 2006.

[sportsfan79]

I did not read this entire thread, so this may have already been mentioned. The 1996 Grapevine squad had at least 7 or 8 offensive players whom eventually played in college. Some of the schools are guesses.

Eric Guajardo (??), Tellis Redmon (Minnesota), Jack Brewer (SMU, Minnesota), DeAngelo Torres (??), Ricky Amezaga (Air Force?), Tyson Olivo (Texas St?), James McCarthy (SMU?), Alex Pahulu (SMU?), etc