Baylor Bears

[HUM398]

I believe JTK and I said it...This will be a very different Baylor of the next couple of years.

With a Win over A&M, and some surprising wins that Old Baylor wouldn't of been able to achieve it finally appears they have elevated themselves..

exceeded many many expectations by many this year.

[WildcatIN]

I believe JTK and I said it...This will be a very different Baylor of the next couple of years.

With a Win over A&M, and some surprising wins that Old Baylor wouldn't of been able to achieve it finally appears they have elevated themselves..

exceeded many many expectations by many this year.
Its Mr. Griffin III. He really carries that team offensively, as a freshman too. Not a bad arm for a guy who prefers his feet.

[HUM398]

Its Mr. Griffin III. He really carries that team offensively, as a freshman too. Not a bad arm for a guy who prefers his feet.


Its Art Briles...Griffin is merely a great football player that opens things up for a program in transition.

[WildcatIN]

Its Art Briles...Griffin is merely a great football player that opens things up for a program in transition.
I don't know if you watched the Baylor-Tech game....Alot of the saves we're quick thinking by the quarterback because he'd been given crappy plays.

[HUM398]

I don't know if you watched the Baylor-Tech game....Alot of the saves we're quick thinking by the quarterback because he'd been given crappy plays.

Art Briles is an excellent offensive mind, and when executed properly work....

Im not merely talking about one game,but the teams entire body of work. All year long they have showed promise, and they will produce a Bowl game for there fans soon.

[WildcatIN]

Art Briles is an excellent offensive mind, and when executed properly work....

Im not merely talking about one game,but the teams entire body of work. All year long they have showed promise, and they will produce a Bowl game for there fans soon.
No doubt about that.

[HomeofChampions'06]

Art Briles is an excellent offensive mind, and when executed properly work....

Im not merely talking about one game,but the teams entire body of work. All year long they have showed promise, and they will produce a Bowl game for there fans soon.

2009 :D

Wins against Connecticut, Northwestern State, Kent State, Iowa State, Nebraska, Missouri, and Texas A&M.

With a closing record of 7-5.
4-4 in the Big XII Conference.

[WildcatIN]

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2009 :D

Wins against Connecticut, Northwestern State, Kent State, Iowa State, Nebraska, Missouri, and Texas A&M.

With a closing record of 7-5.
4-4 in the Big XII Conference.
Eh... I'd say 6-2 in the Big XII.

[yankee]

baylor could have been looking at a possible bowl bid this season if they scheduled more cupcake teams during OOC...i.e., not wake or uconn.

[jtk1519]

Their two best players are true freshmen. That's why I don't put too much stock in A&M's argument that they were bad because they were young. Baylor is very young as well without half the talent and the did better than A&M. That's coaching. Baylor has that with some good young talent and some good prospects on the way.

[HomeofChampions'06]

baylor could have been looking at a possible bowl bid this season if they scheduled more cupcake teams during OOC...i.e., not wake or uconn.

We could beat Wake next year on the road...and we almost beat Connecticut this year. We'll have a better chance at home in '09 against the Huskies.

I like that we don't schedule many cupcake teams. It's boring. It's certainly more enjoyable watching us play great games with teams like uconn...win or lose.

[HomeofChampions'06]

Eh... I'd say 6-2 in the Big XII.

Maybe in 2010 or 2011. I doubt they make that big of a jump in one year with Briles & Griffin III. I like the way you're thinking though. :D

[AHSeagles]

Their two best players are true freshmen. That's why I don't put too much stock in A&M's argument that they were bad because they were young. Baylor is very young as well without half the talent and the did better than A&M. That's coaching. Baylor has that with some good young talent and some good prospects on the way.

Who's their other best player? Not doubting you, I just don't know who it is.

[Firebird]

Don't quite know exactly what jtk is talking about. RGIII is going to be a good one, but Baylor's best player is easily SR Jason Smith, an OT who is projected to be a 1st round draft pick this year. The only reason you don't know his name is because he plays for Baylor. Smith is probably the best OL in the nation this year aside from Michael Oher at Ole Miss. Any more discussion of Baylor's best player would also need to include JR LB Joe Pawelek, who should be all Big XII this season.

Baylor has played some good young talent, but they came in with mostly upperclassmen on their depth chart. They certainly were not starting freshmen and RS like A&M was by any stretch, and they have not had near the injury bug A&M has.

[Sicemhorns09]

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2009 :D

Wins against Connecticut, Northwestern State, Kent State, Iowa State, Nebraska, Missouri, and Texas A&M.

With a closing record of 7-5.
4-4 in the Big XII Conference.

So we lost to a Wake team that loses their entire defense and struggled to score/move the ball as the season progressed?

[Sicemhorns09]

baylor could have been looking at a possible bowl bid this season if they scheduled more cupcake teams during OOC...i.e., not wake or uconn.

When the schedule was made, the cupcakes were both Wake and UConn

[Sicemhorns09]

Their two best players are true freshmen. That's why I don't put too much stock in A&M's argument that they were bad because they were young. Baylor is very young as well without half the talent and the did better than A&M. That's coaching. Baylor has that with some good young talent and some good prospects on the way.

Most exciting, yes; best, no. Our best player is Jason Smith... if you have not heard of him, watch the NFL Draft in April... he will be one of the first offensive lineman taken

[jtk1519]

Who's their other best player? Not doubting you, I just don't know who it is.

WR Kendall Wright.

And yes, Griffin and Wright are the two best players on that roster. Jason Smith is a damn good tackle with a good NFL future, but you take him off that team, and Baylor has the chance to be as good as they have been. You take Griffin or Wright off that team and Baylor is a completely different team. They have the kind of natural athleticism that makes the players around them better.

[Sicemhorns09]

WR Kendall Wright.

And yes, Griffin and Wright are the two best players on that roster. Jason Smith is a damn good tackle with a good NFL future, but you take him off that team, and Baylor has the chance to be as good as they have been. You take Griffin or Wright off that team and Baylor is a completely different team. They have the kind of natural athleticism that makes the players around them better.

I'm sorry, ask anyone on the team... the best player is Jason Smith. The question was not who is the most valuable, it was who is the best. Griffin and Wright are both dynamic football players, but as of now, the title rests with Jason Smith.

[jtk1519]

I'm sorry, ask anyone on the team... the best player is Jason Smith. The question was not who is the most valuable, it was who is the best. Griffin and Wright are both dynamic football players, but as of now, the title rests with Jason Smith.

There was no question to begin with. I said Griffin and Wright were the two best and I stand by that. Aside from Briles, those two are why Baylor is where they were. Smith was going to go in the 1st round no matter what Baylor did this year, but without Grrifin or Wright, Baylor is still the conference doormat.

[Firebird]

WR Kendall Wright.

And yes, Griffin and Wright are the two best players on that roster. Jason Smith is a damn good tackle with a good NFL future, but you take him off that team, and Baylor has the chance to be as good as they have been. You take Griffin or Wright off that team and Baylor is a completely different team. They have the kind of natural athleticism that makes the players around them better.

You're off your rocker. 1st of all, the bolded statement is not true. Smith doesn't get any yards in the stats, but he makes a LOT of what Baylor does possible. There's a good reason that NFL scouts pore over film looking for the next Orlando Pace and that top tier OTs command huge salaries. OT is one of the most important positions on any team. You put RGIII and Wright out there without their All American, 1st round tackle and things look much different. They're still great talents, but the team is NOT as good.

2nd, even if your statement was true, that is no way to measure the best player(s). You invite all the coaches in the USA to Baylor and say that they get to swap one player for a player at the same position, and all but Nutt (Ole Miss, Oher) and Saban (Bama, Andre Smith) jump at the chance to plug Smith onto their team. I can think of many, many more that would stick with their own WR or QB. Heck, in the Big XII alone there are several better QBs/WRs right now. You can't say that about Smith. Maybe in the future RGIII or Wright will be that kind of player, but neither are right now.

Sorry, but Jason Smith is by FAR the best player at Baylor right now, and maybe the best in 10 years or so. A truly special talent.

[jtk1519]

You're off your rocker. 1st of all, the bolded statement is not true. Smith doesn't get any yards in the stats, but he makes a LOT of what Baylor does possible. There's a good reason that NFL scouts pore over film looking for the next Orlando Pace and that top tier OTs command huge salaries. OT is one of the most important positions on any team. You put RGIII and Wright out there without their All American, 1st round tackle and things look much different. They're still great talents, but the team is NOT as good.

2nd, even if your statement was true, that is no way to measure the best player(s). You invite all the coaches in the USA to Baylor and say that they get to swap one player for a player at the same position, and all but Nutt (Ole Miss, Oher) and Saban (Bama, Andre Smith) jump at the chance to plug Smith onto their team. I can think of many, many more that would stick with their own WR or QB. Heck, in the Big XII alone there are several better QBs/WRs right now. You can't say that about Smith. Maybe in the future RGIII or Wright will be that kind of player, but neither are right now.

Sorry, but Jason Smith is by FAR the best player at Baylor right now, and maybe the best in 10 years or so. A truly special talent.

I said what I said because without Smith, Baylor would still have Gay who could be a day 1 pick himself. Baylor is simply not where they are without Griffin and Wright and that is simply undeniable. If you disagree, I'm sure I can find some video of the Kirby Freeman led Baylor Bears.

[Sicemhorns09]

I said what I said because without Smith, Baylor would still have Gay who could be a day 1 pick himself. Baylor is simply not where they are without Griffin and Wright and that is simply undeniable. If you disagree, I'm sure I can find some video of the Kirby Freeman led Baylor Bears.

True, however, that is not what we are arguing. If we are talking about most valuable to the team, sure, I can see Wright or Griffin as the top guy... When asked about the best guy, it is Smith without a doubt. I sit in Coach Briles office every Sunday afternoon... he has stated on several occasions that Smith is the best player to walk through campus in nearly 20 years. Take that FWIW.

[HUM398]

There was no question to begin with. I said Griffin and Wright were the two best and I stand by that. Aside from Briles, those two are why Baylor is where they were. Smith was going to go in the 1st round no matter what Baylor did this year, but without Grrifin or Wright, Baylor is still the conference doormat.

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[Sicemhorns09]

Baylor is still the conference doormat.

That would be Iowa State or Aggy this year...

[lonny23]

Their two best players are true freshmen. That's why I don't put too much stock in A&M's argument that they were bad because they were young. Baylor is very young as well without half the talent and the did better than A&M. That's coaching. Baylor has that with some good young talent and some good prospects on the way.
1. Baylor will be better with Briles than Morriss.
2. The recruiting is better, but they've still got a long ways to go and are still #6 in the South in recruiting.
3. It won't be as easy to beat the other South teams next year because teams start to adjust to you and prepare better when they fear you more.

[jtk1519]

That would be Iowa State or Aggy this year...

Seriously? Can you not read? I said, "...without Grrifin or Wright, Baylor is still the conference doormat."

[jtk1519]

1. Baylor will be better with Briles than Morriss.
Way to go out on a limb there.

3. It won't be as easy to beat the other South teams next year because teams start to adjust to you and prepare better when they fear you more.

Baylor will have a better shot next year in the South if for no other reason than attrition. Mobilhoma loses almost it's entire offense and may lose more if the talk of Bradford and Greshman going pro comes true. Tech loses most of it's offense but will still be very good without basket-case, noodle-arm behind center and a real QB back there. Okie Lite and Texas are the only contenders in the South that return a ton on offense. Baylor will have a good road next year to make some noise.

[Sicemhorns09]

Seriously? Can you not read? I said, "...without Grrifin or Wright, Baylor is still the conference doormat."

yes, yes I can... those two schools are that bad... Freeman at QB and Gettis, White, Akers, Baker at WR would have been able to notch two wins against Iowa State and A&M IMO.

[HomeofChampions'06]

Robert Griffin III and Kendall Wright are the two best playmakers on offense.

Jordan Lake and Joe Pawelek are the two best playmakers on defense.

Jason Smith is the best player on the team.

If you don't have Smith then you probably don't have close games between Texas Tech, Connecticut, and Mizzou. Although we didn't win...the games would have been over early do to lack of an offensive line. You can't flourish on offense if you don't have an O-line. He leads that offensive line and we will miss him considerably next season.

I hope he has a great NFL career. He deserves it with all the painful losses he played through at Baylor.

[lonny23]

Way to go out on a limb there.



Baylor will have a better shot next year in the South if for no other reason than attrition. Mobilhoma loses almost it's entire offense and may lose more if the talk of Bradford and Greshman going pro comes true. Tech loses most of it's offense but will still be very good without basket-case, noodle-arm behind center and a real QB back there. Okie Lite and Texas are the only contenders in the South that return a ton on offense. Baylor will have a good road next year to make some noise.Noodle arm is pretty tough and is the best QB in Tech history. It won't be easy for your buddy to match him or even get the starting job. Doege might start next year instead of Potts. I really don't get your Potts love. I hope for the best for a Tech QB, but Potts has done nothing to make me go crazy over what he'll do next year to this point. Yes, he has size and a good arm. I don't know if he'll ever be as good as Harrell, though. He might take off if he has the starting job.

Harrell in 05:

37-55
422 yards
67.3%
7.67 per attempt
3 TD's
0 INT's
149.7 rating

Potts in 07:

32-49
409 yards
65.3%
8.35 per attempt
3 TD's
1 INT
151.5 rating

Potts in 08:

23-36
260 yards
63.9%
7.22 per attempt
2 TD's
1 INT
137.3 rating

The bottom line is I'm not going to clamor over what the next guy will do when the current guy has done this:

1367 completions
1953 attempts
15,429 yards
70.0%
7.96 per attempt
130 TD's
32 INT's
153.90 if you average out the yearly ratings

I'd love for Potts or Doege to step in and automatically be better than Harrell this year, but I have my doubts. I've seen the growing pains of Harrell from 06 to now. He was pretty good in 06, but he's better now. There is a good chance neither guy is as good next year as Harrell is in 08.

[yankee]

Way to go out on a limb there.



Baylor will have a better shot next year in the South if for no other reason than attrition. Mobilhoma loses almost it's entire offense and may lose more if the talk of Bradford and Greshman going pro comes true. Tech loses most of it's offense but will still be very good without basket-case, noodle-arm behind center and a real QB back there. Okie Lite and Texas are the only contenders in the South that return a ton on offense. Baylor will have a good road next year to make some noise.

it's hard to imagine a sooner offense as good as this year's but i think ou next year will be fine offensively if bradford stays, which is looking like he will (praying to God)...what i'm worried about is the o-line just because it's so damn talented and it's hard to replace that level of talent. the wr corps will lose some big time players but it is unbelievably deep so that won't be a problem. jameel owens is going to be an absolute monster of a receiver. but all that is another conversation, another day...

[jtk1519]

yes, yes I can... those two schools are that bad... Freeman at QB and Gettis, White, Akers, Baker at WR would have been able to notch two wins against Iowa State and A&M IMO.

No, you wouldn't. Without Griffin and Wright, you would be winless in conference again and your only joy would have come from watching Sherman :Censor: his pants as the equally bad Aggies squeaked out a narrow win.

[jtk1519]

Noodle arm is pretty tough and is the best QB in Tech history.

Now there's an impressive distinction. About like being the best ice skater in all of Mexico. I would have been more impressed if you had complimented his hair.

[lonny23]

Now there's an impressive distinction. About like being the best ice skater in all of Mexico. I would have been more impressed if you had complimented his hair.His record isn't as good as Colt, but he's still 28-10 as a starter. 15K yards starting for 3 years in the Big 12 is pretty good.

[jtk1519]

His record isn't as good as Colt, but he's still 28-10 as a starter. 15K yards starting for 3 years in the Big 12 is pretty good.

When you factor in his number of attempts, his stats are no more impressive than any other decent QB's. When you look at his completion %, ypa, TD/INT ratio, etc. (the stats that aren't skewed by pass attempts) his numbers are good, but certainly not as remarkable as the raw stats may at first glance lead you to believe. In all honesty though, kudos to him on a damn good season. It's a shame it took him so long to grow a spine and take charge.

[Firebird]

Never seen this much jtk fail. It's a rarity. I think I am going to go with what Coach Briles, the two Baylor fans in the world, and Firebird say and stick with Smith as the Bears' best player. Best player =/= MVP.

[jtk1519]

Never seen this much jtk fail. It's a rarity. I think I am going to go with what Coach Briles, the two Baylor fans in the world, and Firebird say and stick with Smith as the Bears' best player. Best player =/= MVP.

He's the best NFL prospect. Best players effect the outcome of games. Without Smith, Baylor's record isn't all that different and that is undeniable. Without Griffin or Wright, Baylor has more losses. Again, that's undeniable.

[tmcran]

One thing that will help Baylor is getting players that make more than 400 on the SAT.:D

[Sicemhorns09]

One thing that will help Baylor is getting players that make more than 400 on the SAT.:D

Uh, there is a thing called the NCAA Clearinghouse. Also, if you are talking about Griffin, way off... Dean's List his first semester... graduated near the top of his HS class, and scored over a 1300 on the SAT

[jakerz]

One thing that will help Baylor is getting players that make more than 400 on the SAT.:D

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