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Mr_Lucci
11-29-2005, 09:48 AM
This isn't a thread to diss westfield but Come on now ! Westfield is trying to build what Judson has already acomplished so therefore Judson is on a whole other level!!!! You people talk like we are about to play the Indianapolis Colts or something !!!! This thread is also for all those people talking sh** about Judson and not respecting a 6 time champion. Those people who's username's belong to another team and now all of a sudden they are claiming westfield. So what if they are #5 in the nation? They are not the first and certainly won't be the last overrated team undeserving of that ranking !! Judson has started AND finished top ten in the nation numerous times. So national ranking don't mean sh** !! And to all you so called Judson fans on this board, how convenient it is to follow Judson when they win and jump off the bandwagon when they are down !! You people make me sick !! You obviously wouldn't know a damn thing about loyalty even if it came up and kicked you in the teeth !! That would explain all the new faces at the games. And if Judson loses, maybe Westfield can borrow our coaches. Afterall they know what it takes to pull one out in the big game. Good Luck to both teams Saturday and may the best team win.


You bandwagon Judson fans still make me sick !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Favpack
11-29-2005, 09:59 AM
Ahmmmm - Mr. Lucci - did you happen to catch the Westfield/Judson game last year? Was that a fluke? Is SW worse and Judson better this year? No, I think not. Judson can certainly win - but it will be a HUGE upset.

implacable44
11-29-2005, 10:03 AM
This isn't a thread to diss westfield but Come on now ! Westfield is trying to build what Judson has already acomplished so therefore Judson is on a whole other level!!!! You people talk like we are about to play the Indianapolis Colts or something !!!! This thread is also for all those people talking sh** about Judson and not respecting a 6 time champion. Those people who's username's belong to another team and now all of a sudden they are claiming westfield. So what if they are #5 in the nation? They are not the first and certainly won't be the last overrated team undeserving of that ranking !! Judson has started AND finished top ten in the nation numerous times. So national ranking don't mean sh** !! And to all you so called Judson fans on this board, how convenient it is to follow Judson when they win and jump off the bandwagon when they are down !! You people make me sick !! You obviously wouldn't know a damn thing about loyalty even if it came up and kicked you in the teeth !! That would explain all the new faces at the games. And if Judson loses, maybe Westfield can borrow our coaches. Afterall they know what it takes to pull one out in the big game. Good Luck to both teams Saturday and may the best team win.


You bandwagon Judson fans still make me sick !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know who you are calling a bandwagon Judson fan - name some names if you feel this way - call people out. send PM's or something - see a counselor. National rankings don't mean anything - that is true -- rankings are pretty much irrelevant when it comes to on-field performance. you can't measure heart or desire with statistics. I think Judson can win and it is silly to discount them like many folks have, but Westfield does appear to have a better team this year. As far as last year's game - that is garbage to compare - Judson was the better team last year and they lost because of mistakes.

Mr_Lucci
11-29-2005, 10:05 AM
Ahmmmm - Mr. Lucci - did you happen to catch the Westfield/Judson game last year? Was that a fluke? Is SW worse and Judson better this year? No, I think not. Judson can certainly win - but it will be a HUGE upset.


Yeah I did catch the game last year !? Did you happen to catch this thread flying over your head !!!!!!! You obviosly did not get what I was saying !!!!!! :eek:

nsmustang
11-29-2005, 10:09 AM
It's the old adage-"That was then, this is now." Yeah, I still live in '03 with NS's championship run but reality sets in and this is a different year. Kudos to Judson for all the titles they won and all the times they were in the title game
but if you have not seen WF play this year be real careful. As I said on another thread, they are beatable but you better bring your lunch bucket and be prepared to play 48 minutes of ball. Judson has tradition in their favor and who knows? IMO this is WF's year.

Mr_Lucci
11-29-2005, 10:11 AM
I don't know who you are calling a bandwagon Judson fan - name some names if you feel this way - call people out. send PM's or something - see a counselor. .

Touchy Touchy !!
Why so defensive ?
It is easy to see by looking aound these threads who I AM talking about .

Favpack
11-29-2005, 10:12 AM
Oh, ok I get it Mr. Lucci and Implac - a loss is not necessarily a loss - Judson should have won last year even though the score was 28-14 and, if memory serves me, the stats looked worse than that. From an unbiased observer - Judson is not the team they were last year, and SW could/should win it all. Obviously from this unbiased observer -- I'm really missing something.

Mr. Lucci- take some anger mgt. classes - or fill up your coffee cup:)

UT66
11-29-2005, 10:13 AM
I also think Judson can win. Westfield is vulnerable to tough defense and ball control offense, but if you let them get in rythm, they will eat you for lunch. With that said, Judson can win and I think they will but dont let the ponies out of the chute or you will be buried.

Mr_Lucci
11-29-2005, 10:18 AM
It's the old adage-"That was then, this is now." Yeah, I still live in '03 with NS's championship run but reality sets in and this is a different year. Kudos to Judson for all the titles they won and all the times they were in the title game
but if you have not seen WF play this year be real careful. As I said on another thread, they are beatable but you better bring your lunch bucket and be prepared to play 48 minutes of ball. Judson has tradition in their favor and who knows? IMO this is WF's year.

NSMustang you should know better then that. Afterall Judson and North Shore have a history so I cut for NS. I am not saying that westfield is a bad team and that they don't catch my attention cause they do. All I am saying is I saw them lose to Tyler Lee last year and in my opinion they can't win the big game. Judson has . I am speaking to all those people who forget about Judson and think that they are just another team. Have some respect for a team that has been able to win state without a boatload of Div.1 talent.

implacable44
11-29-2005, 10:18 AM
Touchy Touchy !!
Why so defensive ?
It is easy to see by looking aound these threads who I AM talking about .

I'm not touchy because I know you aren't talking to me little man -

dada
11-29-2005, 10:18 AM
Oh, ok I get it Mr. Lucci and Implac - a loss is not necessarily a loss - Judson should have won last year even though the score was 28-14 and, if memory serves me, the stats looked worse than that. From an unbiased observer - Judson is not the team they were last year, and SW could/should win it all. Obviously from this unbiased observer -- I'm really missing something.

Mr. Lucci- take some anger mgt. classes - or fill up your coffee cup:)
I was there last year...the game was never in question. It was just a matter of how much Westfield would win by. 28-14 was the score but it could have also been 35-21 or 42-28.

Yes Judson has history, but there isnt any person from any of those championship teams who can suit up this weekend. I've seen Westfield 4 times this year, and if the play the way they played 3 times out of the 4 I've seen them, they will be hard to beat, but with the game in SA, you never knew. I think Mr. lucci' s beef is with every one who wrote Judson off when they were 6-4, got shut out this year etc....all the guys that wrote them off are now back saying they will win big. This will be a great game and Judson will have to play mistake free.....Keep westfield off the field and dont give them a short field.

ktchamp97
11-29-2005, 10:20 AM
This isn't a thread to diss westfield but Come on now ! Westfield is trying to build what Judson has already acomplished so therefore Judson is on a whole other level!!!! You people talk like we are about to play the Indianapolis Colts or something !!!! This thread is also for all those people talking sh** about Judson and not respecting a 6 time champion. Those people who's username's belong to another team and now all of a sudden they are claiming westfield. So what if they are #5 in the nation? They are not the first and certainly won't be the last overrated team undeserving of that ranking !! Judson has started AND finished top ten in the nation numerous times. So national ranking don't mean sh** !! And to all you so called Judson fans on this board, how convenient it is to follow Judson when they win and jump off the bandwagon when they are down !! You people make me sick !! You obviously wouldn't know a damn thing about loyalty even if it came up and kicked you in the teeth !! That would explain all the new faces at the games. And if Judson loses, maybe Westfield can borrow our coaches. Afterall they know what it takes to pull one out in the big game. Good Luck to both teams Saturday and may the best team win.


You bandwagon Judson fans still make me sick !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No need to mask your true feelings. Go ahead, let it out...tell us how you really feel...;)

Nobody is disputing Judson and Westfield's place in Texas football history.

However...

Your 6 State Championship trophies aren't taking the field on Saturday.

Westfield is a very good team and an up and coming program who deserves respect as well. If Judson pulls the upset, and it would be an upset, then it will be because they played better that day and they deserved it. If you downgrade your opponent before you play them, it cheapens the accomplishment of taking them out. All of the remaining teams deserve a ton of respect.


And if Judson loses, maybe Westfield can borrow our coaches. Afterall they know what it takes to pull one out in the big game.


So, if Westfield wins, they won't have just won a big game? I thought Judson was the big dog here?

The Rockets' D will definitely test the Mustangs' high-powered offense, but I'm not sure your offense has enough firepower to force eagleike to go frolicking down the Riverwalk in his birthday suit.

dada
11-29-2005, 10:20 AM
NSMustang you should know better then that. Afterall Judson and North Shore have a history so I cut for NS. I am not saying that westfield is a bad team and that they don't catch my attention cause they do. All I am saying is I saw them lose to Tyler Lee last year and in my opinion they can't win the big game. Judson has . I am speaking to all those people who forget about Judson and think that they are just another team. Have some respect for a team that has been able to win state without a boatload of Div.1 talent.
In the PAST...yes...but the guys who take the field this weekend.....what big game have the pulled off this year. History can't run the ball and tackle.

implacable44
11-29-2005, 10:20 AM
Oh, ok I get it Mr. Lucci and Implac - a loss is not necessarily a loss - Judson should have won last year even though the score was 28-14 and, if memory serves me, the stats looked worse than that. From an unbiased observer - Judson is not the team they were last year, and SW could/should win it all. Obviously from this unbiased observer -- I'm really missing something.

Mr. Lucci- take some anger mgt. classes - or fill up your coffee cup:)

Favpack - everyone had the Rockets as a favorite last year -even you - was there a bracket last year =-- if there was I would like to see who you picked for that game. Nobody is doubting Westfield - stop reading into things. Maybe you should focus your energies and karma - prayers whatever on the pack hopefully winning something this year. IS that why you like Westfield ? - you guys have a lot in common ?

Mr_Lucci
11-29-2005, 10:20 AM
dont let the ponies out of the chute or you will be buried.

Point well taken.

implacable44
11-29-2005, 10:23 AM
In the PAST...yes...but the guys who take the field this weekend.....what big game have the pulled off this year. History can't run the ball and tackle.

every game they played after 6-4 was huge. Not to mention the point spread they had to get to make the playoffs and look at them now - who would have thought ?

dada
11-29-2005, 10:29 AM
every game they played after 6-4 was huge. Not to mention the point spread they had to get to make the playoffs and look at them now - who would have thought ?
Then you have the mental edge...aftet losing to Westfield last year and losing 4 games this year...if Westfield jumps on them early...they might lay down...I'm pulling for Westfield, but wouldn't be suprised if Judson won....I'm gonna go on a limb and say, next to North Shore(and NOW Cy-Falls)..Judson will be one of the better teams they will have faced this year.

Favpack
11-29-2005, 10:30 AM
Favpack - everyone had the Rockets as a favorite last year -even you - was there a bracket last year =-- if there was I would like to see who you picked for that game. Nobody is doubting Westfield - stop reading into things. Maybe you should focus your energies and karma - prayers whatever on the pack hopefully winning something this year. IS that why you like Westfield ? - you guys have a lot in common ?

I've got Westfield taking it all this year because I think they have the best team - or certainly the best playmakers. I was pulling for Lee last year all the way - and, no, I personally didn't view the victory over Judson as a shocking upset. Not having been at the game - it appeared to be a fairly dominant win by a better team on gameday last year - but I could be wrong. I view Judson as a team this year that was 6-4 and has come together in the p.o.'s -- but hasn't had a stiff test yet. I would give Judson a decided advantage in the coaching/experience area - EXCEPT that SW got to the finals last year and beat Judson on the way there.

You are correct about Lufkin - the Dawgs are a great team that has our full attention.

Fleeman93
11-29-2005, 10:31 AM
I don't think the Judson D will be prove to be any better than Lamar's or North Shore's. Haven't heard anything as of late on the Judson O but from what I heard early on in the year they were very inconsistent. I think this is a statement game for Westfield on their way to a state championship.

Westfield by 24

Mr_Lucci
11-29-2005, 10:31 AM
I think Mr. lucci' s beef is with every one who wrote Judson off when they were 6-4, got shut out this year etc....all the guys that wrote them off are now back saying they will win big.


Thank you dada4w. Finally someone who gets it.

And KT Champ when I talk about the big game there is only 1 and that is the state title.

KT Champ:
"So, if Westfield wins, they won't have just won a big game? I thought Judson was the big dog here?"

By making this statement you are saying that Judson is bigger then the game itself,when really they are merely major contributors to the great game that is Texas High School Football.

LoneRocket
11-29-2005, 10:32 AM
I also think Judson can win. Westfield is vulnerable to tough defense and ball control offense, but if you let them get in rythm, they will eat you for lunch. With that said, Judson can win and I think they will but dont let the ponies out of the chute or you will be buried.
Rocket Pride will prevail, We have to pack both sides of the stands and yell so loud where they can not concentrate. WELCOME TO THE TERRORDOME!!!!!!!!!!!

PantherStang84
11-29-2005, 10:35 AM
This thread is also for all those people talking sh** about Judson and not respecting a 6 time champion.

However, the Cove folks will fervently tell you that school history and accomplishments mean nothing.

Mr_Lucci
11-29-2005, 10:35 AM
I'm not touchy because I know you aren't talking to me little man -


And just for the record , there is nothing little about me babyboy ! :cool:

Mr_Lucci
11-29-2005, 10:38 AM
Rocket Pride will prevail, We have to pack both sides of the stands and yell so loud where they can not concentrate. WELCOME TO THE TERRORDOME!!!!!!!!!!!


It's gonna be on !
Those people from Westfield think they have seen some big games. But they haven't played a San Antonio team in San Antonio before !

ktchamp97
11-29-2005, 10:39 AM
Thank you dada4w. Finally someone who gets it.

And KT Champ when I talk about the big game there is only 1 and that is the state title.

KT Champ:
"So, if Westfield wins, they won't have just won a big game? I thought Judson was the big dog here?"

By making this statement you are saying that Judson is bigger then the game itself,when really they are merely major contributors to the great game that is Texas High School Football.

I was being facetious...referencing your original post, which, is now confusing considering your last statement (which is dead on)...if that's your true stance, then we're on the same page after all :D .

JRocketMan
11-29-2005, 10:39 AM
Beleive me this game will be closer than alot of people think..This time of year records are thrown out the window and coaching, big plays and the heart of a team wins games. Judson has been through alot this season and is still alive and injury free right now. If u think that this Judson team is slow and there not as good as last year, who havent seen this team play and are stat watchers. Believe me Westfield needs to be prepared and get to SA friday night or they will be in for a shock of there life Saturday..Here is why Judson wins................This is why Judson Wins..........


Before the season started, this pick would have been a no-brainer, but Judson's offensive struggles and their occasional lapses in concentration led to an un-Judson-like regular season. The Rocket defense, however, was stout all season long and, this time of year, great defense is what separates the men from the boys. Judson also has the luxury of having 10 returning starters from last year's group that won the region. Judson is, by far, the most battle-tested team in the region and came up 1 point short of defeating the #7 Copperas Cove Bulldawgs on their home field.

implacable44
11-29-2005, 10:39 AM
However, the Cove folks will fervently tell you that school history and accomplishments mean nothing.

would that be because they don't have any of that going on at their school ?

Fleeman93
11-29-2005, 10:39 AM
This very Westfield program played this very Judson program in the playoffs last year and beat them 28-14 I think. Does that game count as "before"?

Edit - Obviously I didn't pay attention to the "In San Antonio" portion of your post.

implacable44
11-29-2005, 10:40 AM
And just for the record , there is nothing little about me babyboy ! :cool:

that is not what I heard ........

implacable44
11-29-2005, 10:41 AM
This very Westfield program played this very Judson program in the playoffs last year and beat them 28-14 I think. Does that game count as "before"?

yes -- yes it does - that was definitely before. but that was not in san antone !

ktchamp97
11-29-2005, 10:48 AM
Beleive me this game will be closer than alot of people think..This time of year records are thrown out the window and coaching, big plays and the heart of a team wins games. Judson has been through alot this season and is still alive and injury free right now. If u think that this Judson team is slow and there not as good as last year, who havent seen this team play and are stat watchers. Believe me Westfield needs to be prepared and get to SA friday night or they will be in for a shock of there life Saturday..Here is why Judson wins................This is why Judson Wins..........


Before the season started, this pick would have been a no-brainer, but Judson's offensive struggles and their occasional lapses in concentration led to an un-Judson-like regular season. The Rocket defense, however, was stout all season long and, this time of year, great defense is what separates the men from the boys. Judson also has the luxury of having 10 returning starters from last year's group that won the region. Judson is, by far, the most battle-tested team in the region and came up 1 point short of defeating the #7 Copperas Cove Bulldawgs on their home field.

I won't dispute that Judson is a very good team...much better than their 9-4 record indicates...but I will dispute that,


"Before the season started, this pick would have been a no-brainer, but Judson's offensive struggles and their occasional lapses in concentration led to an un-Judson-like regular season.


I would have had Westfield as a favorite (considering how their season has gone) no matter what Judson did in the regular season. In fact, I picked Westfield last year.

Yes, it's true that Judson has 10 returning starters from last year's team that won the region, but Westfield has 14 starters back from the team that beat that Judson team by 2 TD's...Advantage, Westfield.

I do think you have an advantage with Westfield having to travel to SA, but I don't know if that's enough to hang your hat on.

It should be a great game and one definitely worthy of a State Semifinal.

JRocketMan
11-29-2005, 11:19 AM
KT u made good points, I hope this opens some eyes that expect Westfield to blow out Judson becuase it wont happen. Rackley knows where he went wrong last year and some costly errors hurt them. They did win by 2 TD's, but sometimes the score doesnt really reflect how the game was going.

Fleeman93
11-29-2005, 11:29 AM
The way I look at this game is Westfield is better than last year. Judson is not better than last year. Westfield won last year. I was at the game last year and the score does not reflect how bad Westfield was beating Judson on the field.

bullrock
11-29-2005, 11:30 AM
Talk about a band wagoner. Mr. Lucci, wouldn't your comments have meant more when Judson was 5 and 4? Don't come on this board acting like you have had faith in the Rockets this year. The last few weeks have not been typical of the Rockets the first nine weeks. Oh, and you better get some Pepto Bismo for that stomach ache you have. Give me a break!

implacable44
11-29-2005, 11:34 AM
i want public apologies from all of you doubters when this is over -

judson 21 westfield 16

public apologies and pay homage to the might rockets. wear red or gray until they lose.

lonny23
11-29-2005, 11:36 AM
This isn't a thread to diss westfield but Come on now ! Westfield is trying to build what Judson has already acomplished so therefore Judson is on a whole other level!!!! You people talk like we are about to play the Indianapolis Colts or something !!!! This thread is also for all those people talking sh** about Judson and not respecting a 6 time champion. Those people who's username's belong to another team and now all of a sudden they are claiming westfield. So what if they are #5 in the nation? They are not the first and certainly won't be the last overrated team undeserving of that ranking !! Judson has started AND finished top ten in the nation numerous times. So national ranking don't mean sh** !! And to all you so called Judson fans on this board, how convenient it is to follow Judson when they win and jump off the bandwagon when they are down !! You people make me sick !! You obviously wouldn't know a damn thing about loyalty even if it came up and kicked you in the teeth !! That would explain all the new faces at the games. And if Judson loses, maybe Westfield can borrow our coaches. Afterall they know what it takes to pull one out in the big game. Good Luck to both teams Saturday and may the best team win.


You bandwagon Judson fans still make me sick !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was disappointed in what was said by Rockets fans, too. I won't call them bandwagon fans, though. Judson was 4-4 five weeks ago and they hadn't been at .500 that late in a year since 1976. I think this was only the 2nd 6-4 Judson team in the Diamond J era and definitely #2 since 1982. The other 6-4 team missed the playoffs. For all the underdog roles Judson has played over the years in the semifinals, they always did it will a stellar undefeated or 1 loss record. Judson has never done this good with this many losses and it put the Rocket faithful in shock.

I think some of the fans are starting to buy into what I said in September and October. I just wanted us to get to the playoffs and keep working on the offense so we could get to this week with a chance to win. We're now at the moment of truth and I think we'll do fine. That 6-4 doesn't matter right now. We're 2 games from a state title and the brag board will say we went to the state semifinals for the 15th time since 1982. The outside observers looking in will also say Judson had a pretty good year.

Oh, about the other fans. With time and success, they'll realize what Judson has and won't act that way. Most of the Katy fans are cool because they know they have to win in the Judson mode. These other guys with the TALENT are the cocky one's who think teams win by just showing up.

B2BStateChamps92_93
11-29-2005, 12:03 PM
This is all simple enough to explain, Judson started off the year with a new offensive coordinator (previously from SA Madison). Against Judson tradition they ran a spread offense thru the Churchill game I think. They then switched back to the pound and ground of the DW Rutledge days and have looked much more like the Judson that is constantly referred to in this forum. With a homefield advantage and a defense that seems to come through in the final minutes of the most important games (interception with >3:00 against Reagan to hold them off and make the playoffs and interception with >2:00 against O'Connor to seal the game)I pick Judson in a 28-24 UPSET!!! This reminds me of the 1993 state semi-finals against a very strong Aldine Eisenhauer team that Judson managed to beat in a tie on penatrations 5-4.

JRocketMan
11-29-2005, 12:09 PM
This is all simple enough to explain, Judson started off the year with a new offensive coordinator (previously from SA Madison). Against Judson tradition they ran a spread offense thru the Churchill game I think. They then switched back to the pound and ground of the DW Rutledge days and have looked much more like the Judson that is constantly referred to in this forum. With a homefield advantage and a defense that seems to come through in the final minutes of the most important games (interception with >3:00 against Reagan to hold them off and make the playoffs and interception with >2:00 against O'Connor to seal the game)I pick Judson in a 28-24 UPSET!!! This reminds me of the 1993 state semi-finals against a very strong Aldine Eisenhauer team that Judson managed to beat in a tie on penatrations 5-4.

I couldnt put it any better..This is coming from someone that knows Judson is a whole alot more than a 9-4 team..To all the Westfield lovers, I know u have a good team but I really dont think u guys know whats waiting for you in SA. Also for the SW lovers that say our defense is slow..Check out some more sites and see where our defense measures up in the state. Offense wins games..But DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS..

KT2000
11-29-2005, 12:09 PM
I'll go on the record now and say Westfield wins this game 35-14. I don't think Judson will be able to keep the Stangs' defense on their heels consistently. Defensively, Judson has speed but you can't really account for all of the weapons Westfield throws at people on offense this year. Beasley is much improved as a passer from last year, and has the same receiving corps and TB he did also. Westfield was a year ahead of schedule last year, and I believe they will win the Division 1 Championship this time. I'll be genuienly shocked/impressed if Judson is able to beat them.

TheRowdyRanger
11-29-2005, 12:14 PM
This isn't a thread to diss westfield but Come on now ! Westfield is trying to build what Judson has already acomplished so therefore Judson is on a whole other level!!!! You people talk like we are about to play the Indianapolis Colts or something !!!! This thread is also for all those people talking sh** about Judson and not respecting a 6 time champion. Those people who's username's belong to another team and now all of a sudden they are claiming westfield. So what if they are #5 in the nation? They are not the first and certainly won't be the last overrated team undeserving of that ranking !! Judson has started AND finished top ten in the nation numerous times. So national ranking don't mean sh** !! And to all you so called Judson fans on this board, how convenient it is to follow Judson when they win and jump off the bandwagon when they are down !! You people make me sick !! You obviously wouldn't know a damn thing about loyalty even if it came up and kicked you in the teeth !! That would explain all the new faces at the games. And if Judson loses, maybe Westfield can borrow our coaches. Afterall they know what it takes to pull one out in the big game. Good Luck to both teams Saturday and may the best team win.


You bandwagon Judson fans still make me sick !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll have to say that I have never been a big Judson fan, simply because both of our teams are in the same district and have to play each other. Sv has lost to Judson, Judson has lost to Sv, so its a vicious cycle. But I'll have to give props to Judson. Their backs were against the wall in the reagan game and they pulled it out, thats impressive. And still they are continuing to move forward in the playoffs. I hope they go all the way this year.

implacable44
11-29-2005, 12:16 PM
I'll go on the record now and say Westfield wins this game 35-14. I don't think Judson will be able to keep the Stangs' defense on their heels consistently. Defensively, Judson has speed but you can't really account for all of the weapons Westfield throws at people on offense this year. Beasley is much improved as a passer from last year, and has the same receiving corps and TB he did also. Westfield was a year ahead of schedule last year, and I believe they will win the Division 1 Championship this time. I'll be genuienly shocked/impressed if Judson is able to beat them.

yours will be the first apology i will look for then

stangsfan
11-29-2005, 12:17 PM
Oh, about the other fans. With time and success, they'll realize what Judson has and won't act that way. Most of the Katy fans are cool because they know they have to win in the Judson mode. These other guys with the TALENT are the cocky one's who think teams win by just showing up.

What gives many at Westfield confidence (not cocky-ness) besides TALENT is the coaching staff at Westfield. Corby Meekins has his team disciplined, focused and is making excellent play calls. He's not talked about because he's a second year head coach not a twenty year head coach. In addition, he respects his opponent and prepares his team for the game as well as anyone.

I'm not suggesting this is a weakness of Judson because it's not! It's just a component of Westfield not being discussed as much as is Judson coaching.

KT2000
11-29-2005, 12:17 PM
Imp44...Won't be necessary. Not saying all of you in Converse are horrible people, I just don't think you'll beat Westfield.

lonny23
11-29-2005, 12:25 PM
Ahmmmm - Mr. Lucci - did you happen to catch the Westfield/Judson game last year? Was that a fluke? Is SW worse and Judson better this year? No, I think not. Judson can certainly win - but it will be a HUGE upset.
It won't be a huge upset because we're talking about Judson. Here's what I see. Westfield was better in the playoffs last year than they are this year. They had a better regular season this year.

Judson had a better offense last year and a better defense this year. The kicking and punting were better last year. I don't know about punt and kickoff returns.

Westfield is coasting in the playoffs and they mauled people last year. They're not playing the same way as a favorite as they did as an underdog. It's like Rocky I and II vs. Rocky III.

Judson had it too easy last year. They weren't challenged much and when they played a bad game, they got beat. Judson needs hardships and challenges most of the time. They were favorites all year. The Rockets endured more hardship this year than ever in the past. I think they have the "Eye of the Tiger."

You get the picture....

http://www.mpisd.net/mphs/

the lyrics......

Risin' up -- back on the street,
Did my time, took my chances
Went the distance now I'm back on my feet
Just a man and his will to survive --
So many times, it happens too fast,
You trade your passion for glory,
Don't lose your grip on the dreams of the past,
You must fight just to keep them alive –

*It's the Eye of the Tiger,
It's the thrill of the fight,
Rising up to the challenge of our rival,
And the last known survivor
Stalks his prey in the night,
And he's watching us all
With the Eye of the Tiger.*

Face to face -- out in the heat,
Hangin' tough, stayin' hungry
They stack the odds still we take to the street
For the kill, with the skill to survive --

( * Repeat)

Risin' up -- straight to the top,
Had the guts, got the glory
Went the distance, now I'm not gonna stop
Just a man and his will to survive --

( * Repeat)

and the song....

http://www.survivormusic.com/lyrics_window.cfm?trackid=20

JRocketMan
11-29-2005, 12:25 PM
Here it is...This will come down to defense..Both offense's will be limited

Judson 24
SW 21...........

stangsfan
11-29-2005, 12:27 PM
Rocket Pride will prevail, We have to pack both sides of the stands and yell so loud where they can not concentrate. WELCOME TO THE TERRORDOME!!!!!!!!!!!

You go ahead and head to the DOME Saturday, I'm headed to Farris stadium somewhere on the north side of SA. We'll see who get to watch the game.

B2BStateChamps92_93
11-29-2005, 12:29 PM
Speaking of special teams, Judson has a first class kickoff return guy that can run it back just about anytime. As a matter of fact he kept them in at least two games that I can think of......just speaking of special teams

lonny23
11-29-2005, 12:31 PM
Oh, ok I get it Mr. Lucci and Implac - a loss is not necessarily a loss - Judson should have won last year even though the score was 28-14 and, if memory serves me, the stats looked worse than that. From an unbiased observer - Judson is not the team they were last year, and SW could/should win it all. Obviously from this unbiased observer -- I'm really missing something.

Mr. Lucci- take some anger mgt. classes - or fill up your coffee cup:)
Judson won the stats game, but made more mistakes and Westfield was the better team that day.

LoneRocket
11-29-2005, 12:32 PM
You go ahead and head to the DOME Saturday, I'm headed to Farris stadium somewhere on the north side of SA. We'll see who get to watch the game.
When Judson fans are in the zone, they can make a stadium sound like your in a Dome.

lonny23
11-29-2005, 12:33 PM
Then you have the mental edge...aftet losing to Westfield last year and losing 4 games this year...if Westfield jumps on them early...they might lay down...I'm pulling for Westfield, but wouldn't be suprised if Judson won....I'm gonna go on a limb and say, next to North Shore(and NOW Cy-Falls)..Judson will be one of the better teams they will have faced this year.
Judson won't lay down and they're better than the record indicates. This is a trap game, too.

stangsfan
11-29-2005, 12:34 PM
Here it is...This will come down to defense..Both offense's will be limited

Judson 24
SW 21...........

That's what I thought last week with Cy Fair. :eek: Westfield held the prolific offense of both Lamar and Northshore to 14 a piece while Cy Fair had the number 3 defense in the area. Instead both offenses were scoring at will with less than a hand full of stops combined.

LoneRocket
11-29-2005, 12:37 PM
That's what I thought last week with Cy Fair. :eek: Westfield held the prolific offense of both Lamar and Northshore to 14 a piece while Cy Fair had the number 3 defense in the area. Instead both offenses were scoring at will with less than a hand full of stops combined.
Kind of like 1986 when Holmes had the Cash brothers, Johnny Walker and Wilber Odom and Ranked number 1 in the nation.

implacable44
11-29-2005, 12:43 PM
Kind of like 1986 when Holmes had the Cash brothers, Johnny Walker and Wilbert Odom.

great comparison - of course Judson had a few stars of its own

IGot2Rings
11-29-2005, 01:10 PM
Hey guys heres the deal. Judson will beat SW only if they can win the turnover battle, and if the D-line can match up w/ Westfields O-line. Westfield's O-line is the X-Factor, anyone who has seen them can attest to that. On the flip-side SW has not seen a more athletic and well coached defefensive unit than Judson's. Yeah I know they played North Shore and a few other teams with big athletic guys, but none of those teams are even remotely close to being as fundametally sound as Judson is. Thats the skinny!



I Got 2 Rings! How many you got?:mad:

stangsfan
11-29-2005, 01:20 PM
Hey guys heres the deal. Judson will beat SW only if they can win the turnover battle, and if the D-line can match up w/ Westfields O-line. Westfield's O-line is the X-Factor, anyone who has seen them can attest to that. On the flip-side SW has not seen a more athletic and well coached defefensive unit than Judson's. Yeah I know they played North Shore and a few other teams with big athletic guys, but none of those teams are even remotely close to being as fundametally sound as Judson is. Thats the skinny!



I Got 2 Rings! How many you got?:mad:

I missed the news flash about Judson having the #1 Defense in the state. We may as well not make the trip now.

LoneRocket
11-29-2005, 01:22 PM
I missed the news flash about Judson having the #1 Defense in the state. We may as well not make the trip now.
Cool, do us that BIG favor. IF your bus breaks down does that mean we win, WE need ALL of the HELP we can GET.

dada
11-29-2005, 01:25 PM
Hey guys heres the deal. Judson will beat SW only if they can win the turnover battle, and if the D-line can match up w/ Westfields O-line. Westfield's O-line is the X-Factor, anyone who has seen them can attest to that. On the flip-side SW has not seen a more athletic and well coached defefensive unit than Judson's. Yeah I know they played North Shore and a few other teams with big athletic guys, but none of those teams are even remotely close to being as fundametally sound as Judson is. Thats the skinny!



I Got 2 Rings! How many you got?:mad:
Are you suiting up Saturday.?....
The Houston Rockets won back to back championships in the 90's....Olajuwon has two rings.....The rest of the NBA is gonna lay down for Yao and T-mac based on the facts alone.....and as my boy wide would say.......SIKE!!!

lonny23
11-29-2005, 01:48 PM
What gives many at Westfield confidence (not cocky-ness) besides TALENT is the coaching staff at Westfield. Corby Meekins has his team disciplined, focused and is making excellent play calls. He's not talked about because he's a second year head coach not a twenty year head coach. In addition, he respects his opponent and prepares his team for the game as well as anyone.

I'm not suggesting this is a weakness of Judson because it's not! It's just a component of Westfield not being discussed as much as is Judson coaching.
You know I wasn't mostly talking about Westfield fans. I was mainly talking about all the other guys in town riding your jock right now.

Here's what I see in Westfield right now:

They have an inconsistent kicking game. They miss extra points, but the kicker has 40+ yards range.

They can score on special teams type of plays like punts, INT's, fumbles, kickoffs, and punts.

They definitely have big-strike capabilities with big plays in the running and passing game. I think Judson is good enough in the passing game that the Mustangs are going to have to beat them on the run.

Most of the opponents they've had were mediocre at best. Some had a horrible offensive/defensive balance, but others were real good. On the whole, Westfield made other teams offense and defense look worse than normal.

The Mustangs are definitely succeptible to the passing game. Some teams have gotten some decent running numbers on them, too. Passing is a lot more of a weakness. They'll give up more 200 yard passing days than running days.

They don't always take care of business and let some games get into the 2nd half being real close.

I agree that you have to beat the Mustangs for 48 minutes, but Judson has the type of team and personnel to win the game. This game is nowhere near the 3+ TD blowout that some are predicting. Both teams are going to have to fight for their lives to win.

Mr_Lucci
11-29-2005, 02:05 PM
Talk about a band wagoner. Mr. Lucci, wouldn't your comments have meant more when blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah . Blah blah blah blah blah lah blah blah !

Like I said before, the ones who are getting pi**ed off are the ones who have feelings of guilt. This is the very reason why I didn't call anyone out because I knew you would go on the defensive and show everyone who you are.

Mr_Lucci
11-29-2005, 02:11 PM
I'll be genuienly shocked/impressed if Judson is able to beat them.


Shocked? Judson made their name by winning games like this. It wouldn't be anything new, just another big win for Judson. I think alot of people would be shocked if they lost.

lonny23
11-29-2005, 02:19 PM
Like I said before, the ones who are getting pi**ed off are the ones who have feelings of guilt. This is the very reason why I didn't call anyone out because I knew you would go on the defensive and show everyone who you are.
If you believed in Judson all along, that's fine. The problem is you don't have any credibility. You joined the forum in late August and went almost exactly 2 months between September and November without mentioning Judson ONCE. You sound real tough now, but you weren't around trying to encourage the team when times were tough. We all need to be on the same side right now and get along in harmony. We have some real good posters that root for Judson, but you're not doing us any favors right now. You're making the other fans mad and your own fanbase.

fbjones
11-29-2005, 03:31 PM
Judson was not the better team last year and they are not the better team this year.( Some Judson fan said the only reason Westfield won last year was because of Judson mistakes) (Like westfield did not have something to do with those mistakes)
That is the trouble with most fans. They are blind to looking objectively at their team because their hearts get in the way.
It's happened to me. But the more I watch and learn(I saw the first SUPER BOWL) the more I can appreciate the other team's capabilities.
I loved watching Vince Young when he was at Madison , even though it crushed my heart to lose to him. 61-58 ( 35,000 people at the Dome)
You "HOMERS" are thinking with your hearts. Judson has a chance, but Westfield is the better team and if I had to bet on it I would put my money Westfield. History is not helping Odessa Permian right now.

implacable44
11-29-2005, 03:44 PM
Judson was not the better team last year and they are not the better team this year.( Some Judson fan said the only reason Westfield won last year was because of Judson mistakes) (Like westfield did not have something to do with those mistakes)
That is the trouble with most fans. They are blind to looking objectively at their team because their hearts get in the way.
It's happened to me. But the more I watch and learn(I saw the first SUPER BOWL) the more I can appreciate the other team's capabilities.
I loved watching Vince Young when he was at Madison , even though it crushed my heart to lose to him. 61-58 ( 35,000 people at the Dome)
You "HOMERS" are thinking with your hearts. Judson has a chance, but Westfield is the better team and if I had to bet on it I would put my money Westfield. History is not helping Odessa Permian right now.

I said that and Judson was the better team last year. They were dominant - especially on the ground and they made mistakes on the field and the way they played it appeared that they made some mental mistakes like over looking westfield and taking them lightly and they paid for it with an L.

lonny23
11-29-2005, 03:48 PM
Judson was not the better team last year and they are not the better team this year.( Some Judson fan said the only reason Westfield won last year was because of Judson mistakes) (Like westfield did not have something to do with those mistakes)
That is the trouble with most fans. They are blind to looking objectively at their team because their hearts get in the way.
It's happened to me. But the more I watch and learn(I saw the first SUPER BOWL) the more I can appreciate the other team's capabilities.
I loved watching Vince Young when he was at Madison , even though it crushed my heart to lose to him. 61-58 ( 35,000 people at the Dome)
You "HOMERS" are thinking with your hearts. Judson has a chance, but Westfield is the better team and if I had to bet on it I would put my money Westfield. History is not helping Odessa Permian right now.
Westfield peaked going into the playoffs last year. A mistake-prone team played flawless for 4 weeks. Judson fell off some after the Clemens game. They were going in opposite directions and SW came out with a win.

Mr_Lucci
11-29-2005, 03:56 PM
The problem is you don't have any credibility. You joined the forum in late August and went almost exactly 2 months between September and November without mentioning Judson ONCE. You sound real tough now, but you weren't around trying to encourage the team when times were tough. We all need to be on the same side right now and get along in harmony. We have some real good posters that root for Judson, but you're not doing us any favors right now. You're making the other fans mad and your own fanbase.


The last thing I am worried about is whether or not you find me credible. Why don't you worry about those so called fans who jumpoff the bandwagon whenever they feel like it. I may not have alot of years under me but 17 years of loyalty is alot to me. I'm rooting for the good guys. The home team. Like loyal fans should. I would rather say nothing then to bad mouth my team. That's not my style.

lonny23
11-29-2005, 03:59 PM
The last thing I am worried about is whether or not you find me credible. Why don't you worry about those so called fans who jumpoff the bandwagon whenever they feel like it. I may not have alot of years under me but 17 years of loyalty is alot to me. I'm rooting for the good guys. The home team. Like loyal fans should. I would rather say nothing then to bad mouth my team. That's not my style.
I'm glad you didn't want to bad mouth them. It would've been great for you to encourage them, though.

ruffshod
11-29-2005, 04:04 PM
You know I wasn't mostly talking about Westfield fans. I was mainly talking about all the other guys in town riding your jock right now.

Here's what I see in Westfield right now:

They have an inconsistent kicking game. They miss extra points, but the kicker has 40+ yards range.

They can score on special teams type of plays like punts, INT's, fumbles, kickoffs, and punts.

They definitely have big-strike capabilities with big plays in the running and passing game. I think Judson is good enough in the passing game that the Mustangs are going to have to beat them on the run.

Most of the opponents they've had were mediocre at best. Some had a horrible offensive/defensive balance, but others were real good. On the whole, Westfield made other teams offense and defense look worse than normal.

The Mustangs are definitely succeptible to the passing game. Some teams have gotten some decent running numbers on them, too. Passing is a lot more of a weakness. They'll give up more 200 yard passing days than running days.

They don't always take care of business and let some games get into the 2nd half being real close.

I agree that you have to beat the Mustangs for 48 minutes, but Judson has the type of team and personnel to win the game. This game is nowhere near the 3+ TD blowout that some are predicting. Both teams are going to have to fight for their lives to win.

This is probably the most accurate, objective, unbiased post so far. Along with one of fb's. This will be a tough game for both teams. Judson will have to play mistake-free and so will Westfield. We can talk all day long about who's defense has done what and so on and so forth. But these are kids, and sometimes kids lose focus. When that happens at a critical time of the game, there's your loss.

lonny23
11-29-2005, 04:07 PM
This is probably the most accurate, objective, unbiased post so far. Along with one of fb's. This will be a tough game for both teams. Judson will have to play mistake-free and so will Westfield. We can talk all day long about who's defense has done what and so on and so forth. But these are kids, and sometimes kids lose focus. When that happens at a critical time of the game, there's your loss.
Thanks, I went back and looked at all the Westfield boxscores and saw what their opponents did during the year. The only thing I don't know is how much they turned the ball over because the Chronicle boxscores were so messed up.:mad:

ruffshod
11-29-2005, 04:12 PM
Thanks, I went back and looked at all the Westfield boxscores and saw what their opponents did during the year. The only thing I don't know is how much they turned the ball over because the Chronicle boxscores were so messed up.:mad:

You're right there. They didn't have the Cy-Falls game complete.

Slim-Rob
11-29-2005, 07:41 PM
This isn't a thread to diss westfield but Come on now ! Westfield is trying to build what Judson has already acomplished so therefore Judson is on a whole other level!!!! You people talk like we are about to play the Indianapolis Colts or something !!!! This thread is also for all those people talking sh** about Judson and not respecting a 6 time champion. Those people who's username's belong to another team and now all of a sudden they are claiming westfield. So what if they are #5 in the nation? They are not the first and certainly won't be the last overrated team undeserving of that ranking !! Judson has started AND finished top ten in the nation numerous times. So national ranking don't mean sh** !! And to all you so called Judson fans on this board, how convenient it is to follow Judson when they win and jump off the bandwagon when they are down !! You people make me sick !! You obviously wouldn't know a damn thing about loyalty even if it came up and kicked you in the teeth !! That would explain all the new faces at the games. And if Judson loses, maybe Westfield can borrow our coaches. Afterall they know what it takes to pull one out in the big game. Good Luck to both teams Saturday and may the best team win.


You bandwagon Judson fans still make me sick !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NEVERMIND. Welcom back Lucci

TexasRed6x
11-29-2005, 08:20 PM
The last thing I am worried about is whether or not you find me credible. Why don't you worry about those so called fans who jumpoff the bandwagon whenever they feel like it. I may not have alot of years under me but 17 years of loyalty is alot to me. I'm rooting for the good guys. The home team. Like loyal fans should. I would rather say nothing then to bad mouth my team. That's not my style.

Lucci, I have been following this team for over 30 years, but I will always tel the truth as the way I feel, and at times Rocket fans get upset with them. Given that it does not make me a fan jumper, I will always be a Rocket fan period. As I llok at this game You have to go back in history over the past 4 years. Judson did beat a upcoming Westfield team at the time in Converse. The following year Westfield defeated us pretty soundly i think it was 63-35. Then we move to last year who's Judson team was much better on offense then this years team. The out come was better byt still lost the game. Now we have this years game, Westfield is returning a ton of talent from last years team, and we have not clicked all year on offense period. I do not see that happening this Saturday, unless they have practicing a different offense or different plays. I sat and watched the Churchill game and could not belive what I was seeing, 5 first downs, 100 total yards, please. I knw that we have had major injuries during the year, but the past 3 games I still have not seen the explosive offense you and I are used to. Also in the past 2 games the defense has been any thing but stellar. Last week we let a very slow QB shread our defense for over 150 yards, mostly on basic plays. I wish they could win this game I really do, but I am a realist and know that Westfield will win this game goinig away. That should not take away from what these kids have done this year. On Saturday they have nothing to lose, everybody is picking Westfield, so if they lose at least they have been to the Semi's 16 times inthe past 24 years and like them are not that in itself is outstanding, and should not take a back set to anyone.

bullrock
11-29-2005, 08:52 PM
Your style is very apparent lucci. They call people like you "drive bys".

hardknox
11-29-2005, 09:25 PM
If Judson can controls the LOS I believe they have a great chance.

Offensively:
Stay on the down linemen or they will make a ton of plays.

Play physical vs LBs who would rather catch and persue rather than hit you in the mouth.

Let the safeties make the plays, they are big hitters but not sure tacklers.

Throw the ball effectively esp. if safeties are in man cov. if you have the ability to exploit that match up that could be KEY.


Defensively:
Stop the run, make them throw to beat you.

When they pass be alert when the QB runs and make the tackle

Be alert for gimic plays

nsmustang
11-30-2005, 07:59 AM
If Judson can controls the LOS I believe they have a great chance.

Offensively:
Stay on the down linemen or they will make a ton of plays.

Play physical vs LBs who would rather catch and persue rather than hit you in the mouth.

Let the safeties make the plays, they are big hitters but not sure tacklers.

Throw the ball effectively esp. if safeties are in man cov. if you have the ability to exploit that match up that could be KEY.


Defensively:
Stop the run, make them throw to beat you.

When they pass be alert when the QB runs and make the tackle

Be alert for gimic plays
I believe the pass can hurt WF if executed well. Shore could run somewhat against them but the gains were really in the air although WF's secondary has good speed and will close on the receiver fast. The gimmick plays are what blows me away. WF tried the quick off balanced line and centered the ball directly to the running back who was immediately collared. If they work it looks good but as in this case, you can look like an idiot if things go south.
Also, Beasley has to be contained and cannot be free to run the naked bootleg. He will kill you on it. Look for WF to be awake this week from the scare they got from Cy Fair. It should be a good game but that will be up to Judson.

stangsfan
11-30-2005, 08:52 AM
I wish they could win this game I really do, but I am a realist and know that Westfield will win this game goinig away. That should not take away from what these kids have done this year. On Saturday they have nothing to lose, everybody is picking Westfield, so if they lose at least they have been to the Semi's 16 times inthe past 24 years and like them are not that in itself is outstanding, and should not take a back set to anyone.

Westfield, it's a trick...don't fall for it! Continue to prepare for Saturday.

griggie1969
11-30-2005, 11:20 AM
Let me tell u this. Westfield defense is the most physical defense ive ever seen on a HS level, if Westfield comes with their A game, its gonna be the same as last year, if not worse this year. Westfield in a blowout.

JRocketMan
11-30-2005, 11:49 AM
Let me tell u this. Westfield defense is the most physical defense ive ever seen on a HS level, if Westfield comes with their A game, its gonna be the same as last year, if not worse this year. Westfield in a blowout.

There are alot of teams with physical defenses and WF's "D" is still getting scored on..Ive seen the tapes, they are very good but beatable just like any team is. Judson has the talent and coaching to exploit WF's flaws and trust me there are flaws in that team..Like Ive said Ive seen the tape. The Rockets are fired up more than the Reagan game that they came into 21 pts down before they even took the field..The flaws are there and once exploited could cause alot of problems and we might see a SW team trying to force things that arent there. Safetys will be key this game. This wont be a blowout. Judson 24 SW 21

implacable44
11-30-2005, 11:51 AM
Let me tell u this. Westfield defense is the most physical defense ive ever seen on a HS level, if Westfield comes with their A game, its gonna be the same as last year, if not worse this year. Westfield in a blowout.

you mean it is going to be the same in the sense that Westfield will not win state either way ?

JRocketMan
11-30-2005, 11:59 AM
Let me tell u this. Westfield defense is the most physical defense ive ever seen on a HS level, if Westfield comes with their A game, its gonna be the same as last year, if not worse this year. Westfield in a blowout.

Oh yeah I guess you havent seen too many HS games.

griggie1969
11-30-2005, 12:23 PM
We will see fellas thats why u play the game.

TexasRed6x
11-30-2005, 12:48 PM
Westfield, it's a trick...don't fall for it! Continue to prepare for Saturday.

lol, you must be the starting QB, good try remember you last year.

dada
11-30-2005, 12:51 PM
I'm with Mr. Lucci on this one....these Judson fans are in full effect all of a sudden...lol.

bcheat128
11-30-2005, 03:09 PM
me and the mighty rockets will be there ready to play i ain't no wagon jumper
i drive my own wagon

DiamondJ2
11-30-2005, 03:58 PM
lonny has the best observation of the game. As for SW winning last year, they were the better team that day because of Judson mistakes, just like the next week when SW made mistakes against Lee.

Can tradition win the game, no, but it can assist in critcal situations during the game. No doubt that SW should win the game with all of those Div. I suspects and as one gentleman said earlier, the coaching staff at SW has done a great job in creating self-disciplined athletes. 1st I've seen, except for Katy, in all of the semifinal game that Judson has played. That's what is scary: a good coaching staff with a ton of athletes. I can imagine what would have transpired if Judson ever had that many talented athletes on one team in the years past.

The difference is going to be the LOS both ways, the LB's and Secondary. Razzle dazzle plays and turnover could be a factor. With all of that talent SW does trick plays?!! Why not. Keeps the game interesting, defense off balanced and fun for the kids--if it works.

The statements by dada, fbjones, kt97 are probably on the money. SW just has too much for everybody, and Judson is just a bump in the road for them. The Rockets are out there practicing, and they are 1 of 12 5A teams out of 250+ still playing football. I guess they might as well go ahead and play the game despite having the worst record in the playoffs now, loses to 3 of the other 11 teams still in the playoffs, injuries, a poor offense & defense and more importatn a lack of comparable athletic talent. In fact, there is no reason except for UIL rules for A&M and Trinity to be playing anymore either.

TexasRed6x
11-30-2005, 04:28 PM
lonny has the best observation of the game. As for SW winning last year, they were the better team that day because of Judson mistakes, just like the next week when SW made mistakes against Lee.

Can tradition win the game, no, but it can assist in critcal situations during the game. No doubt that SW should win the game with all of those Div. I suspects and as one gentleman said earlier, the coaching staff at SW has done a great job in creating self-disciplined athletes. 1st I've seen, except for Katy, in all of the semifinal game that Judson has played. That's what is scary: a good coaching staff with a ton of athletes. I can imagine what would have transpired if Judson ever had that many talented athletes on one team in the years past.

The difference is going to be the LOS both ways, the LB's and Secondary. Razzle dazzle plays and turnover could be a factor. With all of that talent SW does trick plays?!! Why not. Keeps the game interesting, defense off balanced and fun for the kids--if it works.

The statements by dada, fbjones, kt97 are probably on the money. SW just has too much for everybody, and Judson is just a bump in the road for them. The Rockets are out there practicing, and they are 1 of 12 5A teams out of 250+ still playing football. I guess they might as well go ahead and play the game despite having the worst record in the playoffs now, loses to 3 of the other 11 teams still in the playoffs, injuries, a poor offense & defense and more importatn a lack of comparable athletic talent. In fact, there is no reason except for UIL rules for A&M and Trinity to be playing anymore either.

DiamondJ, I have to agree with what you are saying on this game, I would kie to say that Judson will match-up and in some areas they might. The problem is they don't out-match them in enough key areas to win this game. Judson does not have anything to lose in this one, so what just have to see what happens. I too was very impressed by the self discipline of this team, not like the others we have played in the past, which is a huge problem.

LoneRocket
11-30-2005, 04:56 PM
I'm with Mr. Lucci on this one....these Judson fans are in full effect all of a sudden...lol.
I just hope they are in EFFECT on Sat at the game.

IBLEEDGreen
11-30-2005, 06:08 PM
I said that and Judson was the better team last year. They were dominant - especially on the ground and they made mistakes on the field and the way they played it appeared that they made some mental mistakes like over looking westfield and taking them lightly and they paid for it with an L.

Come on bro. They didn't take them lightly last year because the previous year SW blew them away 63-35.

bleedgreen
11-30-2005, 08:34 PM
This isn't a thread to diss westfield but Come on now ! Westfield is trying to build what Judson has already acomplished so therefore Judson is on a whole other level!!!! You people talk like we are about to play the Indianapolis Colts or something !!!! This thread is also for all those people talking sh** about Judson and not respecting a 6 time champion. Those people who's username's belong to another team and now all of a sudden they are claiming westfield. So what if they are #5 in the nation? They are not the first and certainly won't be the last overrated team undeserving of that ranking !! Judson has started AND finished top ten in the nation numerous times. So national ranking don't mean sh** !! And to all you so called Judson fans on this board, how convenient it is to follow Judson when they win and jump off the bandwagon when they are down !! You people make me sick !! You obviously wouldn't know a damn thing about loyalty even if it came up and kicked you in the teeth !! That would explain all the new faces at the games. And if Judson loses, maybe Westfield can borrow our coaches. Afterall they know what it takes to pull one out in the big game. Good Luck to both teams Saturday and may the best team win.


You bandwagon Judson fans still make me sick !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i like this guy---we seem to have a few similarities--LOL.......and he even talks about people getting kicked in the teeth!!...i thought that i was the only one who disliked roaches, fair-weather fans, bandwagoners, and t-82ers....welcome to the board Lucci..................

bleedgreen
11-30-2005, 08:50 PM
Come on bro. They didn't take them lightly last year because the previous year SW blew them away 63-35.
what kind of green are you supporting in Houston, brother??? just curious??? i like the screen name--LOL..............

lonny23
12-01-2005, 03:42 AM
I'm with Mr. Lucci on this one....these Judson fans are in full effect all of a sudden...lol.
I've been in full effect for quite a while now, but I will say Judson fans are energized.

lonny23
12-01-2005, 03:48 AM
what kind of green are you supporting in Houston, brother??? just curious??? i like the screen name--LOL..............
Maybe he's rich and has a lot of money!:p

I always figured he was another Longview fan. I sure don't remember him living in Houston.

lonny23
12-01-2005, 03:56 AM
i like this guy---we seem to have a few similarities--LOL.......and he even talks about people getting kicked in the teeth!!...i thought that i was the only one who disliked roaches, fair-weather fans, bandwagoners, and t-82ers....welcome to the board Lucci..................
That's true. You insult people and are violent!:p :D

What's a T-82er? I've seen a few people say it, but haven't read where it started on the board.

IBLEEDGreen
12-01-2005, 09:50 AM
what kind of green are you supporting in Houston, brother??? just curious??? i like the screen name--LOL..............

Marine Corps Green!!!!