This is why there is no possible way to decide between UT and OU

[LeanderLions3033]

I've had this broken down to me by die hard UT fans and die hard OU fans who i feel both have a good football IQ, and both made extremely valid points that completely shred the other persons argument....

UT's side....
We always hear the espn talking heads that dont agree with the playoff system say, "we dont need a playoff because the entire season is a playoff." Well in this case, if OU and Mizzou go to the big 12 championship, we would have beaten the two representatives by a combined 35 points. BOTH TEAMS!!! so much for the regular season being the playoff, because with this argument it just seems like more of a beauty contest. And i know it obviously wasnt the only thing that happened in that game for us to lose, but we really were a dropped int away from being the undisputed #1, and i dont think this can be overlooked in terms of how the 3 way tie is looked at.

OUs side....
All UT fans say that Tech has been effectively eliminated from this argument because of how bad Tech lost in Norman. So are you trying to say that if OU had beaten tech by say....10 points, would they still be relevant in the argument then? Cause a team shouldnt be eliminated from the disscusion of a 3 way tie just because they got blown out on the road. I mean in the end, an L is an L no matter how many points its by, it still doesnt change the fact that OU, UT, and Tech still have identical records in conference and overall play. They're saying that a team shouldnt be eliminate just because of the name in front of their jersey compared to teh other two teams (considering tech doesnt have the same national respect that OU and UT have). If for some reason OU loses to OSU and Tech goes on to the big 12 championship and blows out Mizzou, they just as good of an argument as anybody to go to the national championship.

Both very valid points IMO and is a reason to why the system is flawed. Nobody is right in this situation, and nobody is wrong. Obama needs to just go ahead and make his 8 team playoff. Imagine how epic that would be this year with so many teams that claim they have a right to be in the hunt.

[jtk1519]

This subject definitely has not been discussed enough.

[Dawg Fan]

this subject definitely has not been discussed enough.

this

[mad_fan]

This subject definitely has not been discussed enough.

werd...

[mad_fan]

and you left out the case for TT...:D

[mad_fan]

Obama needs to just go ahead and make his 8 team playoff. Imagine how epic that would be this year with so many teams that claim they have a right to be in the hunt.

And who do you think those 8 would be???
Cause only one would come from the Big 12...

[jtk1519]

and you left out the case for TT...:D

Dallas HOLLA!

[slorch]

you can share your opinion after mack brown gives it to you...

[BDB]

Dallas HOLLA!

will they dress big tex up as a pirate?

[Slim-Rob]

Tech isn't "eliminated" or irrelevant. Nor is this any kind of 2 way tie. Tech is tied for 1st in the big 12, yes. If OU wins, tech has no shot at a Big 12 CCG or a NC, while UT does. THAT is the reason people want to drop Tech. Not because UT lost to them.


I don't agree with the 45-35 argument now. As a season, honestly, I think OU has had a better total season. Yes UT beat them, but OU has been better, stats wise. Had UT left starters in the whole game like OU had vs some opponents (and were throwing to the last second like OU) there would be a bigger gap between OU and UT in the poles right now, but Mack won't do it.

[yankee]

Tech isn't "eliminated" or irrelevant. Nor is this any kind of 2 way tie. Tech is tied for 1st in the big 12, yes. If OU wins, tech has no shot at a Big 12 CCG or a NC, while UT does. THAT is the reason people want to drop Tech. Not because UT lost to them.


I don't agree with the 45-35 argument now. As a season, honestly, I think OU has had a better total season. Yes UT beat them, but OU has been better, stats wise. Had UT left starters in the whole game like OU had vs some opponents (and were throwing to the last second like OU) there would be a bigger gap between OU and UT in the poles right now, but Mack won't do it.

i'd love for you to point out where ou left starters in the whole game during blowouts. seriously.

[jtk1519]

Tech isn't "eliminated" or irrelevant. Nor is this any kind of 2 way tie. Tech is tied for 1st in the big 12, yes. If OU wins, tech has no shot at a Big 12 CCG or a NC, while UT does. THAT is the reason people want to drop Tech. Not because UT lost to them.

So long as it's a 3 way tie, Tech is completely irrelevant as they have no chance at all of somehow jumping Mobilhoma and Texas after their Baylor game. If the dirt burglars lose, then the situation changes, but that is not what is being discussed. It's a 3 way tie, but the only two teams that have any chance at all in that tie are Texas and Mobilhoma. That is why 45-35 is really all that matters. How those schools played against Tech is no more relevant than how they played against any other common opponent. So long as things play out the way they should, 45-35 is all that matters.

[tayb]

That argument for blowU sucks. They aren't even making a case FOR blowU they are just making a case FOR Tech and against Texas. There are valid arguments out there for blowU but that one isn't one of them.

[dragonsdaddy]

So long as it's a 3 way tie, Tech is completely irrelevant as they have no chance at all of somehow jumping Mobilhoma and Texas after their Baylor game. If the dirt burglars lose, then the situation changes, but that is not what is being discussed. It's a 3 way tie, but the only two teams that have any chance at all in that tie are Texas and Mobilhoma. That is why 45-35 is really all that matters. How those schools played against Tech is no more relevant than how they played against any other common opponent. So long as things play out the way they should, 45-35 is all that matters.

convenient how you see these "facts" that are helpful to your cause. bravo.

[Slim-Rob]

i'd love for you to point out where ou left starters in the whole game during blowouts. seriously.

The end of the game. YOU tell ME when the OU starters left. Why the hell should I tell you? In the Tech game they were in the whole time.

[Slim-Rob]

So long as it's a 3 way tie, Tech is completely irrelevant as they have no chance at all of somehow jumping Mobilhoma and Texas after their Baylor game. If the dirt burglars lose, then the situation changes, but that is not what is being discussed. It's a 3 way tie, but the only two teams that have any chance at all in that tie are Texas and Mobilhoma. That is why 45-35 is really all that matters. How those schools played against Tech is no more relevant than how they played against any other common opponent. So long as things play out the way they should, 45-35 is all that matters.

The Tech game does matter. Had OU barely beat tech, tech wouldn't be #7. It could be Texas OU Tech 2,3,4. YES Tech is out of NC talks, but it is still a three way tie so you have to follow the whole season, not just how UT beat OU

[SLC]

So long as it's a 3 way tie, Tech is completely irrelevant as they have no chance at all of somehow jumping Mobilhoma and Texas after their Baylor game. If the dirt burglars lose, then the situation changes, but that is not what is being discussed. It's a 3 way tie, but the only two teams that have any chance at all in that tie are Texas and Mobilhoma. That is why 45-35 is really all that matters. How those schools played against Tech is no more relevant than how they played against any other common opponent. So long as things play out the way they should, 45-35 is all that matters.


This.