Judson will win state!!!!

[stevefoxsc]

Lonny back me up here!

[Slim-Rob]

If Judson plays hard, mistake free ball, you will be correct. But Westfield is to good for us to make mistakes and so are A&M Consolidated and Trinity.

Our defense is better this year than it was last year, and we have a better QB this year, if you watch the Judson vs Westfield game film from last year, you can see that Elbel over threw Williams a couple of times, passes that would have been TDs. Also, there will be no fake punt fumbles.

[CCoveAtState]

stevefox! whats up with u ? can't support your 13/5A? If thats the case we don't need u !!!! Go all the way CoveDawgs:D

[Slim-Rob]

ACCORDING TO texasfootballratings.com:

Spring Westfield is a 16 point favorite over Converse Judson. But then again, Westfield was a 31 point favorite in the game vs Cypress-Fairbanks in which they won 35-28. Judson was a 4 point favorite over Harlingen, and they won by 22.

Just from looking at what is above, you can see that they are just a little off on their picks.

I think Judson is going to beat Westfield, but not by much. Saying we are going to win state is a little early still.

[Red Raiders]

I have seen Spring Westfield made alot of mistakes last year but I am not sure about this year. I know that if Judson don't make any mistakes than it will come out close game. I just think Westfield going to win this but who knows?

[CCoveAtState]

rocketTRN ? That Cove win is just eating at u ! I can tell trust me I can tell....:D there's allways next year ! c u than

[Red Raiders]

That Cove win is just eating at u ! I can tell trust me I can tell....:D there's allways next year ! c u than

I would be shocked if Cove beat Lufkin because I want Southlake Carroll to play Lufkin again to for rematch but it may not be close.

[covefan2008]

Ok, one this thread is about Judson. 2 yeah Cove beat Judson. It was a great game and probobly one of the greatest high school football games. I have no disrespect to Judson they are a great team, but quit crying ya COve beat you get over it and try harder next year. Good luck Rockets i think it would be cool if Judson won state. It would just have the dawgs try to beat them even worse.

[Red Raiders]

Ok, one this thread is about Judson. 2 yeah Cove beat Judson. It was a great game and probobly one of the greatest high school football games. I have no disrespect to Judson they are a great team, but quit crying ya COve beat you get over it and try harder next year. Good luck Rockets i think it would be cool if Judson won state. It would just have the dawgs try to beat them even worse.

I know it is Judson threads, I just wanted to respond this guy... but and btw, I thought the same way you do that if Judson could win state would be cool but they need to focus so much on Spring Westfield which they have very overall at everything.

[wideopen]

Judson is getting ready to find out what is coming to town this weekend!
And they are bringing their own can opener.:D

[Slim-Rob]

rocketTRN ? That Cove win is just eating at u ! I can tell trust me I can tell....:D there's allways next year ! c u than

Very much so. Just looking back at the missed kicks. Cove won though, because they are a very well disciplined team and didn't give up when they were down late. Cove has a great team, a VERY FAST TEAM. Westfield fans on this board are acting like Judson has never played good against anyone fast.

[stangsfan]

Last year Tyler won State with 3 losses; has any school ever won it with 4 or more losses?

[fbjones]

Lonny back me up here!


Yes Judson will win state....someday.
Just not in 2005.

[ruffshod]

Westfield should win this one. Judson will have to play mistake-free ball. But anything can happen. That's why you play the games.

[LoneRocket]

Judson is getting ready to find out what is coming to town this weekend!
And they are bringing their own can opener.:D
Welcome to the terrordome!!!

[kttigersrock]

Welcome to the terrordome!!!

I saw Westfield play Lamar (both undefeated) in the first round, and although it is obvious WF has a great team and great athletes, I was not in 'awe' as I expected to be. What I mean is it was the first time I saw WF in person and I expected to be like "OMG - they are AWESOME!". As it ended up that game, I figured Lamar was somewhat overrated, and WF was better than average, and scored on some big plays, and won.

I have not seen Judson play this year, but given their history and rich tradition in the playoffs, I think it will be a game! Judson win would not surprise me at all.

[fbjones]

They don't have a tradition of losing four games in one year. The people with judson colored glasses say the playoffs are all that matters now, but I disagree. Everything that has happened during the season and in the playoffs is an indicator. I believe Judson has looked good in the playoffs because of inferior opponents. And Judson fans , you can't have it both ways and say your strength of schedule during the regular season is a factor if you also say that the only thing that matters now is what you've done in the playoffs.
Good coaches start traditions all the time. And winning a state championship is a good way to start one. Tradition is great, but having good players and good coaches is more important than tradition.
I would not be this harsh on you Judsons if you had only lost 1 or 2 games . But maybe Lonny can look this up on CALPREPS(dopesmokers).... has a four loss team ever won state? or semifinals for that matter?

[kttigersrock]

They don't have a tradition of losing four games in one year. The people with judson colored glasses say the playoffs are all that matters now, but I disagree. Everything that has happened during the season and in the playoffs is an indicator. I believe Judson has looked good in the playoffs because of inferior opponents. And Judson fans , you can't have it both ways and say your strength of schedule during the regular season is a factor if you also say that the only thing that matters now is what you've done in the playoffs.
Good coaches start traditions all the time. And winning a state championship is a good way to start one. Tradition is great, but having good players and good coaches is more important than tradition.
I would not be this harsh on you Judsons if you had only lost 1 or 2 games . But maybe Lonny can look this up on CALPREPS(dopesmokers).... has a four loss team ever won state? or semifinals for that matter?

Well, considering they came out of a district that still has all three playoff teams in 5a standing (only district in the state by far)...I would say strength of schedule is a factor, and they have just as many wins as anyone in the playoffs at this point.

Traditions aren't 'started' they are 'built'. Built on ongoing repetition of success and of what works. You said 'having good players and coaches is more important than tradition'....I beg to differ. I have seen too many times teams with better athletes/speed/etc get beat by a 'program' that has been built and time tested.

Believe me, I am in no way minimizing the WF team and there chances of going all the way. As a Region III guy, I hope they do. I am just saying, a program like Judson, with 6 state titles in the last 15-20 years, will not roll over......

Hope it is a great game!

[sldragondad]

Lonny back me up here!


What year?

[North Shore Mustang]

ACCORDING TO texasfootballratings.com:

Spring Westfield is a 16 point favorite over Converse Judson. But then again, Westfield was a 31 point favorite in the game vs Cypress-Fairbanks in which they won 35-28. Judson was a 4 point favorite over Harlingen, and they won by 22.

Just from looking at what is above, you can see that they are just a little off on their picks.

I think Judson is going to beat Westfield, but not by much. Saying we are going to win state is a little early still.

Of course making predictions does not mean that it'll go the way it is said. It's what happens on the field....not what is stated out there by somebody.

PLUS....this is Texas HS football....ANYTHING can happen! :mad:

[TexasRed6x]

They don't have a tradition of losing four games in one year. The people with judson colored glasses say the playoffs are all that matters now, but I disagree. Everything that has happened during the season and in the playoffs is an indicator. I believe Judson has looked good in the playoffs because of inferior opponents. And Judson fans , you can't have it both ways and say your strength of schedule during the regular season is a factor if you also say that the only thing that matters now is what you've done in the playoffs.
Good coaches start traditions all the time. And winning a state championship is a good way to start one. Tradition is great, but having good players and good coaches is more important than tradition.
I would not be this harsh on you Judsons if you had only lost 1 or 2 games . But maybe Lonny can look this up on CALPREPS(dopesmokers).... has a four loss team ever won state? or semifinals for that matter?

The answer is yes, West Brook did it in 1982

[wideopen]

region 3 is much tougher than region 4!!!

[jrp83]

They don't have a tradition of losing four games in one year. The people with judson colored glasses say the playoffs are all that matters now, but I disagree. Everything that has happened during the season and in the playoffs is an indicator. I believe Judson has looked good in the playoffs because of inferior opponents. And Judson fans , you can't have it both ways and say your strength of schedule during the regular season is a factor if you also say that the only thing that matters now is what you've done in the playoffs.
Good coaches start traditions all the time. And winning a state championship is a good way to start one. Tradition is great, but having good players and good coaches is more important than tradition.
I would not be this harsh on you Judsons if you had only lost 1 or 2 games . But maybe Lonny can look this up on CALPREPS(dopesmokers).... has a four loss team ever won state? or semifinals for that matter?

One thing people outside of the SA area may not be considering or even know at all, is that Judson caught the injury bug bad this year. At one point they had 12 starters out. Most of those kids are back and Judson is playing better each week. What team can lose 12 starters and not have their play affected. Three of Judsons four losses came during the height of their injuries. I know that injuries are part of the game, but the fact is that they do affect the teams play. Now that Judson is getting healthy again, they are playing alot better. Too many people just look at the record and say Judson is weak this year. On the contrary, this Judson team is pretty good when completely healthy and I would even say that their defense is better than last years squad. The offense is getting better as well, their not a great offense, but they are getting better. I think Judson has a good chance of winning this game if they play their best game of the year. I feel they have their best game still in them, this would be the perfect time to let it out. Go Rockets!!

[lonny23]

Lonny back me up here!
I'm backing you!:D

I'm waiting until Saturday morning to talk more trash!:p

[lonny23]

Last year Tyler won State with 3 losses; has any school ever won it with 4 or more losses?
North Crowley won a 4A title a couple years ago with 4 losses. I think a few others have, too. It seems like West Brook won with 4 losses in 1982.

[lonny23]

I saw Westfield play Lamar (both undefeated) in the first round, and although it is obvious WF has a great team and great athletes, I was not in 'awe' as I expected to be. What I mean is it was the first time I saw WF in person and I expected to be like "OMG - they are AWESOME!". As it ended up that game, I figured Lamar was somewhat overrated, and WF was better than average, and scored on some big plays, and won.

I have not seen Judson play this year, but given their history and rich tradition in the playoffs, I think it will be a game! Judson win would not surprise me at all.
Boy, I want to say more!:D

[lonny23]

They don't have a tradition of losing four games in one year. The people with judson colored glasses say the playoffs are all that matters now, but I disagree. Everything that has happened during the season and in the playoffs is an indicator. I believe Judson has looked good in the playoffs because of inferior opponents. And Judson fans , you can't have it both ways and say your strength of schedule during the regular season is a factor if you also say that the only thing that matters now is what you've done in the playoffs.
Good coaches start traditions all the time. And winning a state championship is a good way to start one. Tradition is great, but having good players and good coaches is more important than tradition.
I would not be this harsh on you Judsons if you had only lost 1 or 2 games . But maybe Lonny can look this up on CALPREPS(dopesmokers).... has a four loss team ever won state? or semifinals for that matter?
Hey, you were the guy smarting off about living in this state for a long time. You should know the answer. It's happened more than once that a certain team has won a title with 4 losses and there are even more times that a team has gotten to the finals with 4 losses.

[lonny23]

One thing people outside of the SA area may not be considering or even know at all, is that Judson caught the injury bug bad this year. At one point they had 12 starters out. Most of those kids are back and Judson is playing better each week. What team can lose 12 starters and not have their play affected. Three of Judsons four losses came during the height of their injuries. I know that injuries are part of the game, but the fact is that they do affect the teams play. Now that Judson is getting healthy again, they are playing alot better. Too many people just look at the record and say Judson is weak this year. On the contrary, this Judson team is pretty good when completely healthy and I would even say that their defense is better than last years squad. The offense is getting better as well, their not a great offense, but they are getting better. I think Judson has a good chance of winning this game if they play their best game of the year. I feel they have their best game still in them, this would be the perfect time to let it out. Go Rockets!!
These guys talking crap don't put time into really analyzing the teams or reading what the people have to say. Most people always think a 10-0 team is better than a 7-3 team.

[stevefoxsc]

stevefox! whats up with u ? can't support your 13/5A? If thats the case we don't need u !!!! Go all the way CoveDawgs:D


...... well i sure didn't cheer for garland this past week nor am i for lufkin this week so then who am i routin for?

[Mr_Lucci]

).... has a four loss team ever won state? or semifinals for that matter?

Beaumont Westbrook in '82 and Duncanville in '98 and Judson in '05. Do your own research next time before you open your pie hole. ;)

[lonny23]

Lonny back me up here!
Hey, I'm in the Air Force. Why do I always have to go to war for somebody else's fight?:D

[Rocketman]

Judson will not beat Spring Westfield this Saturday , they just have too many horses for Judson to handle , I would love to see Judson win

[fbjones]

Lonny. Name ALL THE FRIGGING STATE CHAMPIOMS with four losses . I bet it is a short list. I am almost fifty and I may not know all the stats you do, but I have been watching football since before you were born and have coaches in my family and have the chance to talk to many coaches here in Houston. They all think Westfield is better than your four loss Judson team. I am not saying Judson does not have a great program , I am saying THIS YEAR is not your year. If your team was Westfield you would be quoting all your fancy stats to show that they are better. I hope you get a wake up call Saturday. And if you think I gave you a hard time last year, you ain't seen nothing yet!

[WildcatFan]

Judson will not win state this year. I hope my Wildcats do, not saying they will with a game against SLC and perhaps one with Lufkin after that but not Judson.

I am taking Smithson Valley on that side of the bracket.

[WildcatFan]

Judson will not win state this year. I hope my Wildcats do, not saying they will with a game against SLC and perhaps one with Lufkin after that but not Judson.

I am taking Smithson Valley on that side of the bracket.

Let me take the crack pipe out of my mouth.

Correction Judson will come in 2nd Trinity wins state

[fbjones]

Beaumont Westbrook in '82 and Duncanville in '98 and Judson in '05. Do your own research next time before you open your pie hole. ;)


So That's two. That's not very many. The oods are against it . MR LUCCI you are now on the same CROW LIST as Lonny. If you were here last year you will remember he could a lot of abuse after the Westfield game. You gonna get a special dose of it if Judson loses. So get ready.

[lonny23]

Lonny. Name ALL THE FRIGGING STATE CHAMPIOMS with four losses . I bet it is a short list. I am almost fifty and I may not know all the stats you do, but I have been watching football since before you were born and have coaches in my family and have the chance to talk to many coaches here in Houston. They all think Westfield is better than your four loss Judson team. I am not saying Judson does not have a great program , I am saying THIS YEAR is not your year. If your team was Westfield you would be quoting all your fancy stats to show that they are better. I hope you get a wake up call Saturday. And if you think I gave you a hard time last year, you ain't seen nothing yet!
I don't have time to look it up. San Augustine and North Crowley did it in 2003, along with the 5A teams already mentioned.

[implacable44]

So That's two. That's not very many. The oods are against it . MR LUCCI you are now on the same CROW LIST as Lonny. If you were here last year you will remember he could a lot of abuse after the Westfield game. You gonna get a special dose of it if Judson loses. So get ready.


has a 4 loss team ever won state? - has westfield EEEVVVVVVER won state? get out of here -

[ruffshod]

I'm backing you!:D

I'm waiting until Saturday morning to talk more trash!:p

most of us will be on the road by then. You better make it Friday night.:D

[lonny23]

most of us will be on the road by then. You better make it Friday night.:D
I already said some of the things that I was going to say. It's just analysis stuff that I see that I don't want SW to improve upon or think about.

[lonny23]

Lonny. Name ALL THE FRIGGING STATE CHAMPIOMS with four losses . I bet it is a short list. I am almost fifty and I may not know all the stats you do, but I have been watching football since before you were born and have coaches in my family and have the chance to talk to many coaches here in Houston. They all think Westfield is better than your four loss Judson team. I am not saying Judson does not have a great program , I am saying THIS YEAR is not your year. If your team was Westfield you would be quoting all your fancy stats to show that they are better. I hope you get a wake up call Saturday. And if you think I gave you a hard time last year, you ain't seen nothing yet!
Here's something I've learned along the way. It's not really how many 4 loss teams have won it all, but there have been a decent amount, but the fact that they're very hard to beat when they get this far. 4 loss teams that get to the semis are NEVER as bad as they look and they are FAR from being a typical 4-loss team. They either had injuries along the way or they gelled at the right time. In any case, they have to beat good playoff teams and they have a LOT of momentum on their side. I graduated from Mt. Pleasant and that's what they would do in the mid-90's. They'd go anywhere from 4-6 to 7-3 and be a killer team to knock out every time. They'd always win a game and they made 2 semifinal and 2 quarterfinals without ever doing better than 7-3 for 10 straight playoff years.

Playing a 6-4 team in the semis can be a killer. You tend to take them lightly, but they can kill you. This is a classic Rocky-Clubber Lang match at the beginning of Rocky III.

[ruffshod]

I just wish the game were at Rocket Stadium. I was hoping to get back to catch the LaMarque game.

[DiamondJ2]

Traditions do not start with a state title, if that were the case then, jonesy, SW is still looking for tradition as well as a state title. Last year, Judson played its worst game of the season against SW, and the next week SW played like Judson. If SW played liked they did against Judson last year, they would probably have a ring. Region 3 better than Region IV, maybe this year, but not since 1990 when the 2 tiered system began. When was the last time a Houston team won the title?

Should SW beat Judson? With all of those athletes (10-13 Div. I suspects), I would have a tendency to agree with you. On paper and some of the games I've seen, they are a very talented group of players. Most people didn't think the Red Sox would win last year, nor Joe Willie many years ago, Nor Flutie at BC or Williams with the Redskins. Anything can happen, you being your age and all of the coaches you know, should be well aware of that.

Any word on whether SW is going to fly in Saturady, or bus in Saturday or come up Friday night? Forecast for Saturday in SA is 84 and sunny.

[farmerfan]

Traditions do not start with a state title, if that were the case then, jonesy, SW is still looking for tradition as well as a state title. Last year, Judson played its worst game of the season against SW, and the next week SW played like Judson. If SW played liked they did against Judson last year, they would probably have a ring. Region 3 better than Region IV, maybe this year, but not since 1990 when the 2 tiered system began. When was the last time a Houston team won the title?

Should SW beat Judson? With all of those athletes (10-13 Div. I suspects), I would have a tendency to agree with you. On paper and some of the games I've seen, they are a very talented group of players. Most people didn't think the Red Sox would win last year, nor Joe Willie many years ago, Nor Flutie at BC or Williams with the Redskins. Anything can happen, you being your age and all of the coaches you know, should be well aware of that.

Any word on whether SW is going to fly in Saturady, or bus in Saturday or come up Friday night? Forecast for Saturday in SA is 84 and sunny.

Not only did Houston sweep the titles in 03, 3 of the 4 teams participating in the title game were Houston area teams.

[Slim-Rob]

I think Westfield is driving in on Friday and staying in San Antonio.

By the way, I think Westfield went into the game against Tyler Lee talkin' about their 3 losses, and look what happend there. I am not saying this Judson team is as good as that Tyler Lee team, all I am saying is that it could happen.

[fbjones]

Traditions do not start with a state title, if that were the case then, jonesy, SW is still looking for tradition as well as a state title. Last year, Judson played its worst game of the season against SW, and the next week SW played like Judson. If SW played liked they did against Judson last year, they would probably have a ring. Region 3 better than Region IV, maybe this year, but not since 1990 when the 2 tiered system began. When was the last time a Houston team won the title?

Should SW beat Judson? With all of those athletes (10-13 Div. I suspects), I would have a tendency to agree with you. On paper and some of the games I've seen, they are a very talented group of players. Most people didn't think the Red Sox would win last year, nor Joe Willie many years ago, Nor Flutie at BC or Williams with the Redskins. Anything can happen, you being your age and all of the coaches you know, should be well aware of that.

Any word on whether SW is going to fly in Saturady, or bus in Saturday or come up Friday night? Forecast for Saturday in SA is 84 and sunny.

2003 Northshore D1 2003 Katy D2

It was Northshore's first. They had not made the playoffs in thirty years of trying until coach Aymond arrived in 1994. Their record since 2000 is something like 70-5. The state championship gave Northshore the bedrock for a tradition of winning.

[lonny23]

2003 Northshore D1 2003 Katy D2

It was Northshore's first. They had not made the playoffs in thirty years of trying until coach Aymond arrived in 1994. Their record since 2000 is something like 70-5. The state championship gave Northshore the bedrock for a tradition of winning.
Aymond has done a real good job building up that program from nothing. Many real good coaches like Eddy Peach can't claim even one state title.

[bullrock]

I was hoping for 94 degrees. Maybe it will get hotter than 84. I know a good restaurant over in Converse that will feed your boys on Saturday morning if you're looking for a place. I'll even pay. I just drove to Clear Lake from Schertz. 3-1/2 hours driving the speed limit. That's not too long. Not to be disrespectfull, but I hope the drive over is shorter than the return trip.

[lonny23]

I was hoping for 94 degrees. Maybe it will get hotter than 84. I know a good restaurant over in Converse that will feed your boys on Saturday morning if you're looking for a place. I'll even pay. I just drove to Clear Lake from Schertz. 3-1/2 hours driving the speed limit. That's not too long. Not to be disrespectfull, but I hope the drive over is shorter than the return trip.
I used to eat at that Mexican restaurant close to the stadium. I think it was El Sabrosito.

[DiamondJ2]

what I asked was a Houston team, not area.

[HOOKEM]

rocketTRN ? That Cove win is just eating at u ! I can tell trust me I can tell....:D there's allways next year ! c u than
Don't act like do done anything special, waco has beaten Judson more than once but how many titles do you two own last 20?