Some serious A&M talk

[jtk1519]

Seriously. Leave the :Censor:-talking to the 15 other threads. That means you wide/Hookin.

I understand where the A&M program is at so rest assured, I'm not going to rip you guys. However, something really stood out to me and I mean no offense, but A&M tonight was one of the poorest coached teams I have seen in some time. I forgot how many false starts there were and it was obvious the crowd noise was really messing with them, but Sherman never went to a silent count. Why? Every team has a way of combating crowd noise, but the A&M players looked lost.

The FG when A&M had a 4th and 1 really bothered me and I think the announcers were right when they said it was a terrible move. IMO, it was demoralizing. That offense had so much trouble moving the ball, they finally catch a break and then Sherman basically said that he doesn't trust them to pick up 1 yard. IMO, that illustrated why hiring NFL coaches is a bad idea. That was an NFL move. Take easy points, play field position, etc. Problem is that the college game is very different. It's a lot more aggressive and Sherman I don't think gets that.

Finally, pulling Johnson after 1 (maybe 2) series. WTF? I understand throwing McGee out there to get him a few snaps in his last game as an Aggie, but McGee played basically 3 quarters and greatly diminished A&M's already poor chances of moving the ball. I like McGee's toughness and spunk (though talking :Censor: to Sergio Kindle's back after he sacked you in a blowout loss is grounds for a mental exam if you ask me), but he had no business playing most of this game.

I'm curious to hear Aggie fans thoughts on the future. There was an obvious and massive talent gap on the field tonight and the reality is that such a gap will not be bridged for several years. To stay afloat in the mean time it's going to take great coaching and I'm wondering if A&M fans see that coming from the likes of Sherman and Kines. Kines, to his credit, had his defense playing with a lot of emotion early, but that emotion wore off pretty quick and they were flat dominated. I saw no such emotion from the offense.

I was not at all surprised by the talent disparity, but the Franesque coaching did confound me a bit. Any intelligent opinions and discussion would be greatly appreciated (that means you can move along wide/Hookin).

[Firebird]

I shouted at the TV when I saw Sherm trotting out the FG unit. And what I shouted was that this wasn't the freaking NFL.

I also didn't understand playing McGee over JJ save for the fact that its his last game and he's beaten the Sips once before.

The future? I am demoralized. It seems as though for every step forward (emergence of JJ, Tannehill, and Fuller) there have been two steps back (O-line play, defense). As far as recruiting goes, I am honestly not terribly thrilled with this class and don't see us landing any of the big studs on the table, including Michael. I don't see Sherman ever shedding the NFL mentality.

I'm willing to see what happens next year. It's very true that this was a young team with injuries on the most important unit (O line). Next year OU and UT will be stout, but A&M needs to make up ground on Tech and OSU (and :Censor:ing Baylor). IMHO if we finish lower than 4th in the Big XII south and if we can't beat one of Tech-OU-UT, then I will start admitting that Sherman isn't going to get it done.

[jtk1519]

I'm not an A&M fan, but I was rooting for them tonight and I am definitely disappointed in Sherman. The Aggies should have gone for it instead of settling for the field goal and it really bothered me that Sherman told Andrews that it was the only way he thought the Ags could put points on the board. I never liked the Sherman hire and after that statement, he gives off the impression that he doesn't have faith in his team. That's just my opinion though.

And I could be wrong, but I honestly believe that had A&M gone for it on 4th & 1, the team could have scored a TD. Who knows, it could have been a different ball game after that?

Momentum is everything in college football and Sherman basically killed any his own team might have had. FGs when down double digits don't inspire a team and unlike the NFL, Sherman needs to inspire those kids. It's the gamblers and aggressive coaches like Leslie Miles, Pete Carroll, Mike Leach, Mike Peterson, Mack, etc. that inspire and fuel their team. I see the same problem in Sherman that I do in Al Groh and Charlie Weis... they coach like they are still in the NFL. NFL schemes can work at the college level... NFL coaching does not.

[patient1019]

I'm not an A&M fan, but I was rooting for them tonight and I am definitely disappointed in Sherman. The Aggies should have gone for it instead of settling for the field goal and it really bothered me that Sherman told Andrews that it was the only way he thought the Ags could put points on the board. I never liked the Sherman hire and after that statement, he gives off the impression that he doesn't have faith in his team. That's just my opinion though.

And I could be wrong, but I honestly believe that had A&M gone for it on 4th & 1, the team could have scored a TD. Who knows, it could have been a different ball game after that?

It would have been 49-14 instead of 49-9.

I got a kick out of beating the ever loving :Censor: out of aggy tonight, but have to agree from a neutral perspective that A&M didn't finish their season right. Too many mistakes that should have been corrected. And McGee needs to chill out...that one-sided incident with the Kindle sack was preposterous. Not to mention when he got in the face of one of UT's defensive backs for taking a hard block there in the third. After that poorly timed demonstration Texas let him have it. Which, as I said, was not the way aggy wanted to end this season or McGee's career.

[WildcatIN]

Seriously. Leave the :Censor:-talking to the 15 other threads. That means you wide/Hookin.

I understand where the A&M program is at so rest assured, I'm not going to rip you guys. However, something really stood out to me and I mean no offense, but A&M tonight was one of the poorest coached teams I have seen in some time. I forgot how many false starts there were and it was obvious the crowd noise was really messing with them, but Sherman never went to a silent count. Why? Every team has a way of combating crowd noise, but the A&M players looked lost.

Its Mike Sherman's big season debut, It can't be helped if he was left behind with a bunch of fat undisciplined players. I'm actually looking forward to the development of the young A&M team, especially (now JR) Jerrod Johnson.

The FG when A&M had a 4th and 1 really bothered me and I think the announcers were right when they said it was a terrible move. IMO, it was demoralizing. That offense had so much trouble moving the ball, they finally catch a break and then Sherman basically said that he doesn't trust them to pick up 1 yard. IMO, that illustrated why hiring NFL coaches is a bad idea. That was an NFL move. Take easy points, play field position, etc. Problem is that the college game is very different. It's a lot more aggressive and Sherman I don't think gets that.I think Sherman just wanted to get on the board, because he knew was out-matched and out-gunned in the beginning. I personally find it demoralizing to look up at the scoreboard and see a big fat 0 under my teams name. All the same, I agree, whimp move.

Finally, pulling Johnson after 1 (maybe 2) series. WTF? I understand throwing McGee out there to get him a few snaps in his last game as an Aggie, but McGee played basically 3 quarters and greatly diminished A&M's already poor chances of moving the ball. I like McGee's toughness and spunk (though talking :Censor: to Sergio Kindle's back after he sacked you in a blowout loss is grounds for a mental exam if you ask me), but he had no business playing most of this game.He had a death wish. He got all up in Gideon's face after Gideon got laid out on that one pass, then as you mentioned, trying to get in Sergio's face. (Last person on the team I'd want to fight) I was angry with Sherman for pulling Jerrod, but relieved aswell. He represents my alma mater, and I wouldn't want such a shellacking to be on his hands.

[patient1019]

He had a death wish. He got all up in Gideon's face after Gideon got laid out on that one pass, then as you mentioned, trying to get in Sergio's face.

Both of these situations were untimely, unjustified, and simply did not contribute positively to what was a valiant effort by McGee. I noticed that after getting in Gideon's face McGee rarely finished a play standing.

[pied]

When you are down by 33 why do you go for 2?

[WildcatIN]

When you are down by 33 why do you go for 2?
Because you want to prove you have big brawny balls?

[patient1019]

No, it would have been 14-7 if A&M made the extra point. The Aggies didn't go for it on 4th & 1 in the second quarter with about 1:50 left in the half.

I'm saying that overall, this game would still have gone the way it did with one additional touchdown by the Ags and another point because going for two would have been even more unnecessary than it already was in the actual game. The final score in your hypothetical situation would have been 49-14 Texas. I agree with the posts above, A&M committed too many errors that hurt themselves and Sherman went Michael Myers on any momentum the ags built.

[jtk1519]

He definitely killed any momentum the team might have had without question. I think everyone watching the game was questioning that move he made.

And you know the players were doing the same.

[countfisto]

Seriously. Leave the :Censor:-talking to the 15 other threads. That means you wide/Hookin.

I understand where the A&M program is at so rest assured, I'm not going to rip you guys. However, something really stood out to me and I mean no offense, but A&M tonight was one of the poorest coached teams I have seen in some time. I forgot how many false starts there were and it was obvious the crowd noise was really messing with them, but Sherman never went to a silent count. Why? Every team has a way of combating crowd noise, but the A&M players looked lost.

The FG when A&M had a 4th and 1 really bothered me and I think the announcers were right when they said it was a terrible move. IMO, it was demoralizing. That offense had so much trouble moving the ball, they finally catch a break and then Sherman basically said that he doesn't trust them to pick up 1 yard. IMO, that illustrated why hiring NFL coaches is a bad idea. That was an NFL move. Take easy points, play field position, etc. Problem is that the college game is very different. It's a lot more aggressive and Sherman I don't think gets that.

Finally, pulling Johnson after 1 (maybe 2) series. WTF? I understand throwing McGee out there to get him a few snaps in his last game as an Aggie, but McGee played basically 3 quarters and greatly diminished A&M's already poor chances of moving the ball. I like McGee's toughness and spunk (though talking :Censor: to Sergio Kindle's back after he sacked you in a blowout loss is grounds for a mental exam if you ask me), but he had no business playing most of this game.

I'm curious to hear Aggie fans thoughts on the future. There was an obvious and massive talent gap on the field tonight and the reality is that such a gap will not be bridged for several years. To stay afloat in the mean time it's going to take great coaching and I'm wondering if A&M fans see that coming from the likes of Sherman and Kines. Kines, to his credit, had his defense playing with a lot of emotion early, but that emotion wore off pretty quick and they were flat dominated. I saw no such emotion from the offense.

I was not at all surprised by the talent disparity, but the Franesque coaching did confound me a bit. Any intelligent opinions and discussion would be greatly appreciated (that means you can move along wide/Hookin).

Thats the first thing that stood out to me in this game. Not an aggy fan(nor a Horn fan)but the talent gap is pretty obvious. Also couldn't understand why Sherman went for the fg instead of the first down in the 2nd qt. Last game of the season so why not take the risk. Last year Franchione went for it on 4th and scored the td, though it was on the fake fg. Don't think Sherman was the right hire for Aggy.

[WildcatIN]

Don't think Sherman was the right hire for Aggy.

Yeah, maybe he should hit up the Lions or 49ers?

[agmc27]

It's hard to tell if Mike Sherman was the right move. However, DC Joe Kines should be fired. The defense was absolutely atrocious. Horrible tackling and inconsistent pass rush lingered throughout the night. You can make the argument that Sherman needs time to get his recruits, but who will want to come to a program that operates like that? Everytime A&M has been on national TV, they lost. Not too good for the recruiting. The future of Texas A&M football is in the hands of Jerrod Johnson.

[countfisto]

Did Aggy interview any other candidates besides Sherman? The guy seems like he's too reserved or complacent on the sidelines. That kind of coaching seems more suitable for the NFL rather than college. A&M could use a coach with a fiery type of coaching style.

[jtk1519]

Did Aggy interview any other candidates besides Sherman?

No, which is what is so staggering.

[patient1019]

No, which is what is so staggering.

And at the same time not staggering at all.

[Firebird]

No, which is what is so staggering.

The whole not interviewing thing is to me a stupid argument. Plenty of schools do not interview, they fix their sights on who they want and go get them. Hell, UT's next HC will be given the job without any other candidates being interviewed.

The question is whether or not it was a stupid move to fix our sights on Mike Sherman. If it was a good move, no one cares whether you talked to someone else or not.

[jtk1519]

The whole not interviewing thing is to me a stupid argument. Plenty of schools do not interview, they fix their sights on who they want and go get them. Hell, UT's next HC will be given the job without any other candidates being interviewed.

The question is whether or not it was a stupid move to fix our sights on Mike Sherman. If it was a good move, no one cares whether you talked to someone else or not.

It makes more sense when you're at the top. When you are in desperate need of rebuilding, it's just dumb.

[countfisto]

No, which is what is so staggering.

are you serious? This was the guy they chose to go with right off the bat???

[jtk1519]

are you serious? This was the guy they chose to go with right off the bat???

Seriously.

[SLC]

And you know the players were doing the same.


They were. Cause you could see them walking off the field madder than hell.

[patient1019]

Considering A&M's need to rebuild the program, the move made about as much sense as Mark Cuban trading Devin Harris away for aging Jason Kidd.

[patient1019]

Considering A&M's need to rebuild the program, the move made about as much sense as Mark Cuban

fixed it for myself

[Pearland Longhorn]

I can't believe they chose Sherman when they probably could have landed Briles.


The talent gap is only getting bigger.:eek:

[BoomerSooner]

Seriously. Leave the :Censor:-talking to the 15 other threads. That means you wide/Hookin.

I understand where the A&M program is at so rest assured, I'm not going to rip you guys. However, something really stood out to me and I mean no offense, but A&M tonight was one of the poorest coached teams I have seen in some time. I forgot how many false starts there were and it was obvious the crowd noise was really messing with them, but Sherman never went to a silent count. Why? Every team has a way of combating crowd noise, but the A&M players looked lost. It's tough switching systems from an option attack to a pro style, and in many cases tonight, a 5 wr no back set, without the proper players. Almost without exception, every player that attempted to play tonight will be back next year. I'm not saying a national championship is in order, but I'm willing to give him next year in order to see improvement.

The FG when A&M had a 4th and 1 really bothered me and I think the announcers were right when they said it was a terrible move. IMO, it was demoralizing. That offense had so much trouble moving the ball, they finally catch a break and then Sherman basically said that he doesn't trust them to pick up 1 yard. IMO, that illustrated why hiring NFL coaches is a bad idea. That was an NFL move. Take easy points, play field position, etc. Problem is that the college game is very different. It's a lot more aggressive and Sherman I don't think gets that.It was a bad call, but an even worse spot. If he had challenged the spot of the ball A&M would have been given another yard and there's no way he would have attempted the fg in that situation. The call was still bad though, I'm with you on that.

Finally, pulling Johnson after 1 (maybe 2) series. WTF? I understand throwing McGee out there to get him a few snaps in his last game as an Aggie, but McGee played basically 3 quarters and greatly diminished A&M's already poor chances of moving the ball. I like McGee's toughness and spunk (though talking :Censor: to Sergio Kindle's back after he sacked you in a blowout loss is grounds for a mental exam if you ask me), but he had no business playing most of this game.I've been a Stephen McGee detractor for several years now. He's just not a division 1 quarterback. Jerrod Johnson has 21 touchdowns passing this year, Stephen McGee has 28 in his career. I know the systems are different, but McGee is PAINFUL to watch. The decision was bad but at least he rectified it.

I'm curious to hear Aggie fans thoughts on the future. There was an obvious and massive talent gap on the field tonight and the reality is that such a gap will not be bridged for several years. To stay afloat in the mean time it's going to take great coaching and I'm wondering if A&M fans see that coming from the likes of Sherman and Kines. Kines, to his credit, had his defense playing with a lot of emotion early, but that emotion wore off pretty quick and they were flat dominated. I saw no such emotion from the offense. I'm willing to give him 2 years. I didn't like the hire in the first place, but there's not much choice at this point. 2 years and we'll know.

I was not at all surprised by the talent disparity, but the Franesque coaching did confound me a bit. Any intelligent opinions and discussion would be greatly appreciated (that means you can move along wide/Hookin).

Answers in red

[jtk1519]

Answers in red

I understand your point about switching systems and inexperienced players and all. I expected them to be bad because of that, but what struck me was the poor fundamentals that transcend different schemes. The constant false starts, lack of a silent count or anything to combat the crowd noise, the poor technique from his QBs and WRs, the poor angles and missed tackles on defense. Those are things that aren't impacted by schemes or changes. Perhaps it was just inexperience, but after 11 games, the inexperience excuse is shaky at best.

[BoomerSooner]

I understand your point about switching systems and inexperienced players and all. I expected them to be bad because of that, but what struck me was the poor fundamentals that transcend different schemes. The constant false starts, lack of a silent count or anything to combat the crowd noise, the poor technique from his QBs and WRs, the poor angles and missed tackles on defense. Those are things that aren't impacted by schemes or changes. Perhaps it was just inexperience, but after 11 games, the inexperience excuse is shaky at best.

I'm half with you. The fundamentals were poor. But on defense, Trent Hunter is a true freshman, Terrence Fredrick is a freshman, Tony Jerrod-Eddie is a freshman. I can't think of any others off the top of my head. It's hard because they're inexperienced so you want to forgive them, but you wonder how they aren't coached up at this point. I think it will all be answered before conference play starts next season. If the problems rear their head again we'll know it was the coaches, if we see improvement we'll know it was inexperience.

I think the only thing that's certain right now, is that we don't really know.

[slorch]

I'm laughing at the folks saying A&M lost because of talent.

I guess the last two years, the Ags out talented UT?

Nobody that plays UT, with the possible exception of OU, has more talented players than the horns.

I have tried to find a glimmer of hope for the Ags, but I see apathy and incompetance galore. Both sides of the LOS were thoroughly whipped all game long, but it isn't limited to this game. One stat they threw out last night was how the Aggie defense ranked below #100 in the 4 major measurements of defensive performance. They are the wrecked crew.

the offense is an abomination. It didn't matter whether JJ or McGee was in there, they were running for their lives. Goodson looks like a waalk-on, after showing some glimpses of greatness his freshman and sophomore years.

Sherman has no business plying his trade on Saturdays( or Thursday.) He sucks at college football!

I don't feel sorry for the Aggie program, and I don't really sympathize for the players that chose to sign there, but I do empathize with thinking you are going to a great program and having to endure the sucktitude that is A&M football.

[jtk1519]

I'm laughing at the folks saying A&M lost because of talent.

I guess the last two years, the Ags out talented UT?

You don't read very well with loony's sausage in your face. The premise of this thread was not the talent disparity, which was and always has been a given, but how that disparity was compounded by poor coaching on or worse than the level of the previous administration. At this point, I would say worse. Fran couldn't scheme his way through a line at Six Flags and he wouldn't know what to do one 4th and inches if Tom Landry were screaming in his ear, but I never saw one of Fran's teams as undisciplined or lost as the one Sherman fielded last night.

[whyzat]

JTK is spot on about the lack of fundamentals and mental focus. Some defense could be made for the other shortcomings evident last night, but not for repeated failures in basic execution. A&M has too many resources at its disposal, and too much tradition to continue to field teams which represent it so poorly. This won't be allowed to continue very long. If great improvement does not occur early next season, Sherman will be history. Following Frannie will considerably shorten his time allotment, and Dollar Bill has a personal stake in Sherman's hire. I doubt he will let this continue to any degree which might effect his own position.

[slorch]

You don't read very well with loony's sausage in your face. The premise of this thread was not the talent disparity, which was and always has been a given, but how that disparity was compounded by poor coaching on or worse than the level of the previous administration. At this point, I would say worse. Fran couldn't scheme his way through a line at Six Flags and he wouldn't know what to do one 4th and inches if Tom Landry were screaming in his ear, but I never saw one of Fran's teams as undisciplined or lost as the one Sherman fielded last night.

WTF is the Lonny comment about?

[jtk1519]

WTF is the Lonny comment about?

Don't post with your mouth full.

[slorch]

Don't post with your mouth full.

so you didn't say this?
There was an obvious and massive talent gap on the field tonight and the reality is that such a gap will not be bridged for several years

wake up dude...:rolleyes:

[jtk1519]

so you didn't say this?
There was an obvious and massive talent gap on the field tonight and the reality is that such a gap will not be bridged for several years

wake up dude...:rolleyes:

Now point out where I said that was a deciding factor in the game where the same disparity was not the previous years. I'll wait for loony to zip up so you can answer with something that makes sense.

[slorch]

Now point out where I said that was a deciding factor in the game where the same disparity was not the previous years. I'll wait for loony to zip up so you can answer with something that makes sense.


dude, go make up some more lies for the BCS folks...

[jtk1519]

dude, go make up some more lies for the BCS folks...

That's what I thought. I accept your surrender.

[cajun]

I dunno...The FG wasn't such a bad thing I thought...

I believe the score was 14-0 at that point....A&M until that drive had -1 yard total offense...Points are positive and A&M needed some positive at that point....If A&M's defense holds that last Texas drive of the first half they go into half down 14-3 with alittle MO to build on for the 2nd half....A&M gets the ball to start the 2nd half as well....

As it happened it didn't work out that way...I can't ding Sherman too much for not going for it...It certainly wasn't a given they would make it either, anyways...

A&M was just outmatched in this game talent and coaching wise...That's pretty much the bottom line...Kicking a FG at least gave A&M some points...Maybe at "home" you go for it....

[Favpack]

From an in-game perspective -I really don't worry that much.

I do wonder how in the world Shermie competes on the recruit trail. A&M has had horrendous recruiting two years running.

[jtk1519]

I do wonder how in the world Shermie competes on the recruit trail.

He doesn't. He's lost almost every head-to-head recruiting battle I can think of. Think about it... the Big XII South alone has 4 teams in the top 12 and 3 legit title game worthy teams. Okie Lite already recruits very well. Leach is okay but you have to think this season will boost his recruiting some and Baylor appears to be building something. It's going to be a VERY tough mountain for Sherman to climb.

[Dawg Fan]

I was upset at the field goal try only because this was the last game and that is just saying "well we need something on the scoreboard". Horsesh*t, what you need there is the coach to call timeout and get the offense together and tell them to make it happen. Instead we surrender. Not only that but if they make the first down they take at least a couple more minutes off the clock making it very difficult for UT to score right before the half. I have defended the Sherman hire because I believe everyone should have an opportunity to succeed but what I saw was boring and showed no creativity at all. This is the game you try some outside the box plays and for God's sakes blitz more because you are playing soft on the corners. If you can't cover well at least don't give the QB two days to throw. I try very hard to be optimistic but what I saw last night made me very sad:( There are some very talented players on the Aggies but you could see that they had given up in the second half. McGee's antics were embarrassing IMO. I hope I am wrong but I don't see the future for the Aggies at all, I just see more futility which is a shame. Like it or not,football season is better for everyone on here when the Aggies are competitive. JMO

[Mr. Incredible]

it makes me laugh because when that mcgee qb for a&m(if thats what you call aqb)got leveled, he decided to go to the lonhorn sideline and talk trash. he could not do anything. a&m had long plays for long yardage but they proved that they suck. it looked as if they were tearing apart texas defense but unfortunately, when you have bad coaching and cocky terrible players, you come out with a loss.

[cajun]

I was upset at the field goal try only because this was the last game and that is just saying "well we need something on the scoreboard". Horsesh*t, what you need there is the coach to call timeout and get the offense together and tell them to make it happen. Instead we surrender.


At that point it was still a football game...I believe 9/10 coaches kick the FG...Going into halftime down 14-3 probably looked pretty good with the way A&M played offense that first half....The D was playing pretty good for the most part.....Maybe if A&M had 200-250 yards of offense in the first half you take a chance...

Just my opinion...

I remember thinking we might have a ballgame in the 2nd half...BUT, Texas zoomed on down the field to go up 21-3...That wasn't the Sherman plan or how he had it played out....

[JMSFan]

At that point it was still a football game...I believe 9/10 coaches kick the FG...Going into halftime down 14-3 probably looked pretty good with the way A&M played offense that first half....The D was playing pretty good for the most part.....Maybe if A&M had 200-250 yards of offense in the first half you take a chance...

Just my opinion...

I remember thinking we might have a ballgame in the 2nd half...BUT, Texas zoomed on down the field to go up 21-3...That wasn't the Sherman plan or how he had it played out....

I agreed with the FG decision too. The last thing Sherman needed was to not make the 1st down and turn the ball back over to Texas, especially playing on the road.

[Dawg Fan]

it makes me laugh because when that mcgee qb for a&m(if thats what you call aqb)got leveled, he decided to go to the lonhorn sideline and talk trash. he could not do anything. a&m had long plays for long yardage but they proved that they suck. it looked as if they were tearing apart texas defense but unfortunately, when you have bad coaching and cocky terrible players, you come out with a loss.

please read the first post of this thread:rolleyes: dufus

[Dawg Fan]

At that point it was still a football game...I believe 9/10 coaches kick the FG...Going into halftime down 14-3 probably looked pretty good with the way A&M played offense that first half....The D was playing pretty good for the most part.....Maybe if A&M had 200-250 yards of offense in the first half you take a chance...

Just my opinion...

I remember thinking we might have a ballgame in the 2nd half...BUT, Texas zoomed on down the field to go up 21-3...That wasn't the Sherman plan or how he had it played out....

I disagree, this is the LAST game for your team...UT was on their heels on that drive and it was the right time to take a chance.

[BDB]

I disagree, this is the LAST game for your team...UT was on their heels on that drive and it was the right time to take a chance.

i was shocked when i saw the FG crew come out. i really can't believe he didn't try for the first there.

[Dawg Fan]

i was shocked when i saw the FG crew come out. i really can't believe he didn't try for the first there.

my point is, what difference will it make if you lose 49-9 or 49-6. A & M was not going to beat Texas this year unless the Savior himself came down and coached the team so take some chances. That would have impressed me much more. :mad:

[jtk1519]

My thought on the FG attempt is, what did he have to lose? He wasn't playing for a bowl game or winning season. This was their last game of the year. You're playing a young team, most of whom will be back next year. You have to play balls-to-the-walls if for no other reason than you have nothing to lose.

[patient1019]

I bet Sherm is sleeping well knowing that following that horrid beating that his decision to kick a FG on 4th and 1 is coming under the most scrutiny.

[Dawg Fan]

I bet Sherm is sleeping well knowing that following that horrid beating that his decision to kick a FG on 4th and 1 is coming under the most scrutiny.

horrid beating?

[WildcatIN]

horrid beating?
Yes. 49-9 is a beating.

[JMSFan]

Yes. 49-9 is a beating.

So is a 65-21 score.

[WildcatIN]

So is a 65-21 score.
No one said it wasn't.

[JMSFan]

No one said it wasn't.

I got side tracked, didnt I? :D

[WildcatIN]

I got side tracked, didnt I? :D
If you know the answer, why are you asking me?

[JMSFan]

If you know the answer, why are you asking me?

Are you being a smarta$$? Oh wait, I know the answer.

[WildcatIN]

Are you being a smarta$$? Oh wait, I know the answer.
If you know the answer, then why the did you ask me?

[JMSFan]

If you know the answer, then why the did you ask me?

Because I want you to know the answer too.

[Dawg Fan]

why don't you two get a room?

[HUM398]

why don't you two get a room?

this

[patient1019]

horrid beating?

Yes, that's what I'd call a 40 point win in which the opponent was held to negative rushing yards and gave up six sacks of both of their ineffective quarterbacks.

If you like, I can say something negative about Tech to provide you with something shiny to play around with.

[slorch]

Yes, that's what I'd call a 40 point win in which the opponent was held to negative rushing yards and gave up six sacks of both of their ineffective quarterbacks.

If you like, I can say something negative about Tech to provide you with something shiny to play around with.

Oh...thank you for being so gracious...

Wanna buy 6 points?( wouldn't be the first time, would it?)

[Dawg Fan]

Oh...thank you for being so gracious...

Wanna buy 6 points?( wouldn't be the first time, would it?)

you really like hitting those softballs out of the park, don't you;)

[Firebird]

I'm laughing at the folks saying A&M lost because of talent.

I guess the last two years, the Ags out talented UT?

Nobody that plays UT, with the possible exception of OU, has more talented players than the horns.

I have tried to find a glimmer of hope for the Ags, but I see apathy and incompetance galore. Both sides of the LOS were thoroughly whipped all game long, but it isn't limited to this game. One stat they threw out last night was how the Aggie defense ranked below #100 in the 4 major measurements of defensive performance. They are the wrecked crew.

the offense is an abomination. It didn't matter whether JJ or McGee was in there, they were running for their lives. Goodson looks like a waalk-on, after showing some glimpses of greatness his freshman and sophomore years.

Sherman has no business plying his trade on Saturdays( or Thursday.) He sucks at college football!

I don't feel sorry for the Aggie program, and I don't really sympathize for the players that chose to sign there, but I do empathize with thinking you are going to a great program and having to endure the sucktitude that is A&M football.

That's because you haven't paid attention to what actually is going on. You can look at the "stars" signed, but in reality that means jack compared with the players you can actually put on the field. Here are some numbers:

1. OL-- 7 man rotation (there are 5 OL). Includes a walk on and true fish. One OG with a torn rotator cuff waiting till the end of the season for surgery 'cause of no depth. An OG playing OT because Fran's staff never recruited one. OL is the most important unit on any college football team and that's what we had to work with on T.

2. Starting QB out for the season, a first year replacement playing behind the above line.

3. A DE playing DT and another DT who has never weighed in at more than 275. A true fish in the rotation on the DL.

4. True fish playing against all America wide recievers in the secondary. Converted DEs and DBs trying to play LB. Freshmen wideouts, one a converted QB.

Did we "out talent" UT the last two years? No, but we did have some modicum of a complete team on the field. We didn't have that on T, or for much of this year. Like I said, recruiting stars only matter if the players they represent can actually see the field. Even the guys in the booth commented on how slow and small our D was. That is a talent issue. Seems to be some young talent in the pipeline, though. We'll see how it works out.

[patient1019]

Oh...thank you for being so gracious...

Wanna buy 6 points?( wouldn't be the first time, would it?)

Do you enjoy going out of your way to throw yourself in front of bus? Rarely are these sarcastic comments directed at you. Yet somehow these rebuttals keep resurfacing.

[Firebird]

Couple more numbers. There have been 7 true freshmen start more than five games for the Ags. 9 if you throw in redshirts. Bump up to like 15 that are seeing lots of playing time. Most of those nine fish were starting against UT and all saw lots of PT.

That can't have anything to do with playcalling, but if close to half your starting lineup is fish, that could make it look like you are undisciplined, confused, and don't know what's going on. Cause that's what you are.

Heading into T, true freshmen accounted for 59% of A&M all purpose yards and fish and sophmores accounting for 76% of total offense. Those might give hope for the future, but are not numbers any HC wants to see.

[slorch]

Do you enjoy going out of your way to throw yourself in front of bus? Rarely are these sarcastic comments directed at you. Yet somehow these rebuttals keep resurfacing.

If it's not for public response, use the PM function...;)

[patient1019]

If it's not for public response, use the PM function...;)

In which case you would never see a PM from me. Yet somehow I get more rebuttals out of you than I do the people my original comments were aimed at.

[SV61]

Wanna know the bad part of the this?

(For you fellas (gals) that didn't watch a lot of A&M this year).

They looked BETTER than I thought they would against Horn.

McGee gave them a better shot of running the Pro Style offense with any success, than Johnson running it. That is why they went with McGee instead of Johnson. Yes, Johnson gave them their TD. Against second string DB.

Watching the Ags hang on for dear life defensively in the first half was bad. A ray of hope, was how well the defense played for a quarter and a half. Then, the defense got a key injury (the DB right before the end of the half), and then ran out of steam.

The O line did better than I would have imagined. -24 yards rushing, and A&M did BETTER than I would have thought.

For next year, A&M's defense will have to get a better. However, The offense has to get WAAAY better. THAT is what hurt them all year. No sustained drives. Johnson WILL get better. When he can trust his O-Line, HE will ALSO get better with reads, and not get the happy feet so easy.

Speakin of which, WHY was the field so wet and tore up on Thursday night? Surely Mack wasn't tryin to slow down A&M's deep threats????

:confused: :D

Seriously, did anyone else wonder that?

[Dawg Fan]

Wanna know the bad part of the this?

(For you fellas (gals) that didn't watch a lot of A&M this year).

They looked BETTER than I thought they would against Horn.

McGee gave them a better shot of running the Pro Style offense with any success, than Johnson running it. That is why they went with McGee instead of Johnson. Yes, Johnson gave them their TD. Against second string DB.

Watching the Ags hang on for dear life defensively in the first half was bad. A ray of hope, was how well the defense played for a quarter and a half. Then, the defense got a key injury (the DB right before the end of the half), and then ran out of steam.

The O line did better than I would have imagined. -24 yards rushing, and A&M did BETTER than I would have thought.

For next year, A&M's defense will have to get a better. However, The offense has to get WAAAY better. THAT is what hurt them all year. No sustained drives. Johnson WILL get better. When he can trust his O-Line, HE will ALSO get better with reads, and not get the happy feet so easy.

Speakin of which, WHY was the field so wet and tore up on Thursday night? Surely Mack wasn't tryin to slow down A&M's deep threats????

:confused: :D

Seriously, did anyone else wonder that?

I have heard of teams over watering a field before a game and then making sure they had the right spikes to give them an advantage. I am not saying they did that but I wouldn't be surprised.

[jtk1519]

Speakin of which, WHY was the field so wet and tore up on Thursday night? Surely Mack wasn't tryin to slow down A&M's deep threats????

You can't slow down what aint there.

But seriously, the field was in bad shape because it had to be re-sodded less than a week before the game after scenes from Friday Night Lights were shot there and tore up the field. The field at DKR uses an underground watering system so the surface will never get messy, even when the field is being watered, but to get the new sod to take root quickly, they had to bring in sprinklers and the new sod just didn't take root in time.

One of the reasons DKR has one of the best playing surfaces in all of football is because they are so strict about not allowing anything on that field. Outside of the games, the only things allowed on that field are the occasional practice/scrimmage and the THSCA All-Star game every few years. I don't know why they allowed a TV show to shoot scenes on the field.

[JMSFan]

I have heard of teams over watering a field before a game and then making sure they had the right spikes to give them an advantage. I am not saying they did that but I wouldn't be surprised.

Texas had the advantage because they are just better, not because of a wet field. Texas could have worn bermuda shorts and house shoes and still beat them by 40.

[Dawg Fan]

Texas had the advantage because they are just better, not because of a wet field. Texas could have worn bermuda shorts and house shoes and still beat them by 40.

I never said they weren't better did I?

[JMSFan]

I never said they weren't better did I?

No you didnt. I just said that Texas didnt need to gain an advantage.

[Dawg Fan]

No you didnt. I just said that Texas didnt need to gain an advantage.

I really didn't think they did, I just said I wouldn't be surprised;)