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pack0808
06-06-2005, 05:07 PM
i know we had a whole topic on 40 times and i was told by a few that i was crazy for saying reggie mcneal ran a 4.3 flat or under. well this is directly from coach fran's site and reggie was timed by nfl scouts 3 different times to make sure it was accurate. how crazy am i now?? ;)

Friday with Fran - Reggie, Red wow NFL scouts in the 40
4/22/2005

Pro scouts came to our complex again Wednesday for NFL Junior Day and they put a stopwatch on 19 of our players who will be seniors next season. They ran the 40 two and in some cases three times. Several did not run or work out because of injuries or class conflicts.

Probably the most outstanding result was when quarterback Reggie McNeal ran a 4.30 on the NFL scouts' clocks and wound up with an average of 4.31 in three runs. Others who turned in good performances by NFL standards were receiver DeQawn Mobley, safety Jaxson Appel, linebacker Lee Foliaki, and offensive lineman Jami Hightower.

The rest of our players who were able to ran the 40 in our annual spring timing under our coaches' watches. The one performance that had everybody talking was by defensive lineman Red Bryant. He averaged 4.85 as a 316-pounder. Our strength and conditioning coaches Rick LaFavers and Ben Pollard, who have been with our staff seven years, couldn't remember any big men who ran like that.

Others who had excellent times were our other legitimate 4.3-plus guys--tailback Courtney Lewis, cornerback Danny Gorrer, and wide receiver Kerry Franks. Several ran very well for their position and size -- linebacker Stephen Hodge, o-lineman Yemi Babaloa, d-linemen Chris Harrington and Henry Smith, center Cody Wallace, tight end Joey Thomas, and quarterback Stephen McGee.

What we try to do is establish what times a player will run consistently by clocking them multiple times and averaging to take care of variances caused by the timers, a rolling start, and things like that. The players are all in their spring workout regimen from now until school lets out and we then we move into the voluntary workout phase for the summer.

* * *

Again, several of our players stepped up to give back to the community by participating in the Big Event. They reported that they had a good time with other students in painting a house and helping clean up a historic Texas A&M cemetery. The players who went were Matthew Almaraz, Greg Boothe, Nathan Haile, Chris Harrington, Matt LaFon, Nick LaMantia, Peter Martin, Stephen McGee, J.D. Nicholson, Ryan Pietsch, and T.J. Sanders.

Saturday, another group from our team will assist Eric Watson in the A&M Admissions Office on a project with the Aldine School District. They will meet with students ranging from third grade to juniors in high school visiting our campus. These students will meet our football players and some basketball players and ask questions about what college is like and how to get ready for college in academics and athletics. Those who are participating include Yemi Babaloa, Greg Boothe, Ty Branyon, Lee Foliaki, Nathan Haile, Eric Mann, J.D. Nicholson, J Pond, John Ray, and Cody Wallace.

* * *

You have two chances to watch the spring Maroon and White Game television highlight program on FOX Sports Southwest. It plays tomorrow, April 23, at 3 p.m. and again next Tuesday, April 26, at 2 p.m.

I host the 30-minute show and it has highlights not only from the game but also from the autograph session and kids’ clinic. The game highlights include the blocked punt by Kerry Franks that was so unusual, plus clips of quarterback Stephen McGee and safety Jaxson Appel wearing the live microphone.

In previewing the video we got a big kick out of Stephen after he took a big hit from linebacker Justin Warren. Stephen sprang right back to his feet and said something like, "You're going to have to hit harder than that...."

* * *

Kim and I are pleased to announce that Coach Fran Charities has awarded 11 grants to community organizations for 2005. Our foundation concentrates on youth organizations and programs, both non-profits and in education. With the help of an advisory committee, we have been able to make 17 grants to 14 different organizations in our two years here.

We are also pleased that community response to the foundation has been successful enough that this year we could make our three largest grants so far of $5,000 each. Thanks to all of you who have helped contribute to this successful venture.

The new grants this year go to:

Boys & Girls Club of Brazos Valley ($5,000)
Still Creek Boys & Girls Ranch ($5,000)
Boys and Girls Country ($5,000)
College Station ISD Education Foundation ($2,500)
Bryan ISD Education Foundation ($2,500)
Gridiron Heroes ($2,500)
Miracle Farm ($2,500)
Lincoln Recreational Center ($2,500)
Pop Warner Little Scholars, Inc. ($1,000)
Brazos Valley African American Museum ($1,000)
Challenger Little League Baseball ($900)
In June we will have a dinner honoring the groups and making a presentation of the checks.

* * *

The list of Distinguished Alumni named by the Association of Former Students is out on their web site. One is Billy Pete Huddleston '57. He was football team captain in 1955. In the '60s he helped start the Lettermen's Association. Billy Pete was also one of the characters in the book and movie "Junction Boys" about the legendary Aggie team that Coach Bear Bryant’s took to Junction, Texas, for preseason practice. He has been successful in the oil business as founder and chairman of Huddleston & Co. in Houston.

Another of the Distinguished Alumni is Jerry Cox '72. Not only has he been a great supporter of athletics and football, including past president of the 12th Man Foundation, but Kim and I find it so gratifying to have him and Kay as good friends. They assist on the advisory committee of Coach Fran Charities. Jerry is chairman and president of Cox & Perkins Exploration in Houston.

* * *

The planning committee of the Coach Fran Charities Celebrity Golf Classic for the Boys and Girls Clubs of the Brazos Valley learned yesterday that, unfortunately, the new clubhouse at Miramont Country Club May 21 will not be completed in time to host the Friday night dinner/dance and auctions. We're looking at alternatives, but meanwhile the celebrity golf lineup continues to grow with several marquee names.

Pending some family complications, we're fairly certain that San Diego Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson will be here. He's a Pro Bowler who led the AFC in combined rushing and receiving yards and who played for our staff at TCU. He is on the executive board of our foundation.

There is a limit of 50 teams in the tournament at Miramont and they are filling up fast. If you want to enter a team or play individually or purchase tickets to the party and auctions on May 20, contact the Boys and Girls Club in Bryan, or go to the tournament web site here for information and forms.

* * *

Something I always enjoy is getting together with students at Texas A&M, and I had a couple of good opportunities for that this week.

One was a talk on leadership to students in a marketing class at the Mays Business School. The other was a luncheon in our Bright Building conference room with a specially selected group of young people belonging to the organization Class Councils. There were eight members chosen from the 150 or so on the Class Councils based on their participation in events like Maroon Out, Elephant Walk and other traditions:

Amy Gray ‘05, Chuck Goldsmith ‘05, Allison Dunlap ‘06, Stephen Falcon ‘06, Dyer Hill ‘07, Melanie Lamb ‘07, Matt Ciarkowski ‘08, and Dana Pappalardo ‘08. They were joined by Krista Brod '06 who is public relations director for the Class Councils.

* * *

The seven coaches who are designated for recruiting have been on the road all week in their various territories. Seven of us will attend the Nike Combine at TCU in Fort Worth tomorrow, and then next week there will be seven of us out again. We have four weeks in April and May to recruit actively, and I'll make certain strategic visits myself.

Just 134 days to kickoff. Did I hear a Whoop! or two?

Gig 'em, Aggies!

Coach Fran

Texasfrog
06-06-2005, 06:40 PM
Reggie ran 4.3's back in High School (Lufkin). He was lightening in a bottle.

jtk1519
06-06-2005, 06:50 PM
This is what Reggie's blazzing speed got him...

http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-AaronHarris-Sack(DivX).avi
http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-BrianRobison-Sack1(DivX).avi
http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-BrianRobison-Sack2(DivX).avi
http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-DerrickJohnson-Sack(DivX).avi
http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-MichaelGriffin-PBU(DivX).avi
http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-MichaelHuff-TFL(DivX).avi
http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-PhillipGeiggar-Sack(DivX).avi
http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-TarrellBrown-Sack(DivX).avi
http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-TimCrowder-Sack(DivX).avi
http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-TimCrowder-TFL1(DivX).avi
http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-TimCrowder-TFL2(DivX).avi

Texasfrog
06-06-2005, 07:13 PM
This is what Reggie's blazzing speed got him...

http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-AaronHarris-Sack(DivX).avi
http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-BrianRobison-Sack1(DivX).avi
http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-BrianRobison-Sack2(DivX).avi
http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-DerrickJohnson-Sack(DivX).avi
http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-MichaelGriffin-PBU(DivX).avi
http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-MichaelHuff-TFL(DivX).avi
http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-PhillipGeiggar-Sack(DivX).avi
http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-TarrellBrown-Sack(DivX).avi
http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-TimCrowder-Sack(DivX).avi
http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-TimCrowder-TFL1(DivX).avi
http://www.jcdenton41.com/UTvATM04-TimCrowder-TFL2(DivX).avi


I'm a Horn and think that's funny. The thing about football is it takes 11 players in unison to achieve a common goal. If Texas sacked and tackled Reggie in the games that's great, but its not because Reggie is slow. Its probably more to do with Tx A&M being outplayed in almost all facets of the game by UT.

jtk1519
06-06-2005, 07:44 PM
I'm a Horn and think that's funny. The thing about football is it takes 11 players in unison to achieve a common goal. If Texas sacked and tackled Reggie in the games that's great, but its not because Reggie is slow. Its probably more to do with Tx A&M being outplayed in almost all facets of the game by UT.

I know. I just like throwing that out whenever the chance arises. It's pretty hard to judge what Reggie is capable of just by looking at aggy games. Fact is the talent around him is so weak, that it makes Reggie look pretty bad a lot of times.

My fear with Reggie is that his size may hinder his transition into the NFL. You dont see a lot of 6'1 195 QBs floating around the NFL. I know he has a good arm and all, but so did Timmy Chang and Dustin Long and you see where it got them.

Texasfrog
06-06-2005, 09:11 PM
I know. I just like throwing that out whenever the chance arises. It's pretty hard to judge what Reggie is capable of just by looking at aggy games. Fact is the talent around him is so weak, that it makes Reggie look pretty bad a lot of times.

My fear with Reggie is that his size may hinder his transition into the NFL. You dont see a lot of 6'1 195 QBs floating around the NFL. I know he has a good arm and all, but so did Timmy Chang and Dustin Long and you see where it got them.

Ya, Reggie has some parts of his passing game that need to be tightened up. I think he made huge strides last year. I think this season will be a very important season as far as showing if he is still progressing. I think being at Texas A&M doenst help him much for becoming a more polished passer.

But, its going to be really hard for some NFL teams to overlook Reggies pure athletic ability.

PS. I also think that Dustin Long isnt that bad either. I wont be surprised to see him make an NFL roster.. ( at least as a practice team player at worst).

Mr. Buddy Garrity
06-07-2005, 07:54 AM
i know we had a whole topic on 40 times and i was told by a few that i was crazy for saying reggie mcneal ran a 4.3 flat or under. well this is directly from coach fran's site and reggie was timed by nfl scouts 3 different times to make sure it was accurate. how crazy am i now?? ;)

Friday with Fran - Reggie, Red wow NFL scouts in the 40
4/22/2005

Pro scouts came to our complex again Wednesday for NFL Junior Day and they put a stopwatch on 19 of our players who will be seniors next season. They ran the 40 two and in some cases three times. Several did not run or work out because of injuries or class conflicts.

Probably the most outstanding result was when quarterback Reggie McNeal ran a 4.30 on the NFL scouts' clocks and wound up with an average of 4.31 in three runs. Others who turned in good performances by NFL standards were receiver DeQawn Mobley, safety Jaxson Appel, linebacker Lee Foliaki, and offensive lineman Jami Hightower.

The rest of our players who were able to ran the 40 in our annual spring timing under our coaches' watches. The one performance that had everybody talking was by defensive lineman Red Bryant. He averaged 4.85 as a 316-pounder. Our strength and conditioning coaches Rick LaFavers and Ben Pollard, who have been with our staff seven years, couldn't remember any big men who ran like that.

Others who had excellent times were our other legitimate 4.3-plus guys--tailback Courtney Lewis, cornerback Danny Gorrer, and wide receiver Kerry Franks. Several ran very well for their position and size -- linebacker Stephen Hodge, o-lineman Yemi Babaloa, d-linemen Chris Harrington and Henry Smith, center Cody Wallace, tight end Joey Thomas, and quarterback Stephen McGee.

What we try to do is establish what times a player will run consistently by clocking them multiple times and averaging to take care of variances caused by the timers, a rolling start, and things like that. The players are all in their spring workout regimen from now until school lets out and we then we move into the voluntary workout phase for the summer.

* * *

Again, several of our players stepped up to give back to the community by participating in the Big Event. They reported that they had a good time with other students in painting a house and helping clean up a historic Texas A&M cemetery. The players who went were Matthew Almaraz, Greg Boothe, Nathan Haile, Chris Harrington, Matt LaFon, Nick LaMantia, Peter Martin, Stephen McGee, J.D. Nicholson, Ryan Pietsch, and T.J. Sanders.

Saturday, another group from our team will assist Eric Watson in the A&M Admissions Office on a project with the Aldine School District. They will meet with students ranging from third grade to juniors in high school visiting our campus. These students will meet our football players and some basketball players and ask questions about what college is like and how to get ready for college in academics and athletics. Those who are participating include Yemi Babaloa, Greg Boothe, Ty Branyon, Lee Foliaki, Nathan Haile, Eric Mann, J.D. Nicholson, J Pond, John Ray, and Cody Wallace.

* * *

You have two chances to watch the spring Maroon and White Game television highlight program on FOX Sports Southwest. It plays tomorrow, April 23, at 3 p.m. and again next Tuesday, April 26, at 2 p.m.

I host the 30-minute show and it has highlights not only from the game but also from the autograph session and kids’ clinic. The game highlights include the blocked punt by Kerry Franks that was so unusual, plus clips of quarterback Stephen McGee and safety Jaxson Appel wearing the live microphone.

In previewing the video we got a big kick out of Stephen after he took a big hit from linebacker Justin Warren. Stephen sprang right back to his feet and said something like, "You're going to have to hit harder than that...."

* * *

Kim and I are pleased to announce that Coach Fran Charities has awarded 11 grants to community organizations for 2005. Our foundation concentrates on youth organizations and programs, both non-profits and in education. With the help of an advisory committee, we have been able to make 17 grants to 14 different organizations in our two years here.

We are also pleased that community response to the foundation has been successful enough that this year we could make our three largest grants so far of $5,000 each. Thanks to all of you who have helped contribute to this successful venture.

The new grants this year go to:

Boys & Girls Club of Brazos Valley ($5,000)
Still Creek Boys & Girls Ranch ($5,000)
Boys and Girls Country ($5,000)
College Station ISD Education Foundation ($2,500)
Bryan ISD Education Foundation ($2,500)
Gridiron Heroes ($2,500)
Miracle Farm ($2,500)
Lincoln Recreational Center ($2,500)
Pop Warner Little Scholars, Inc. ($1,000)
Brazos Valley African American Museum ($1,000)
Challenger Little League Baseball ($900)
In June we will have a dinner honoring the groups and making a presentation of the checks.

* * *

The list of Distinguished Alumni named by the Association of Former Students is out on their web site. One is Billy Pete Huddleston '57. He was football team captain in 1955. In the '60s he helped start the Lettermen's Association. Billy Pete was also one of the characters in the book and movie "Junction Boys" about the legendary Aggie team that Coach Bear Bryant’s took to Junction, Texas, for preseason practice. He has been successful in the oil business as founder and chairman of Huddleston & Co. in Houston.

Another of the Distinguished Alumni is Jerry Cox '72. Not only has he been a great supporter of athletics and football, including past president of the 12th Man Foundation, but Kim and I find it so gratifying to have him and Kay as good friends. They assist on the advisory committee of Coach Fran Charities. Jerry is chairman and president of Cox & Perkins Exploration in Houston.

* * *

The planning committee of the Coach Fran Charities Celebrity Golf Classic for the Boys and Girls Clubs of the Brazos Valley learned yesterday that, unfortunately, the new clubhouse at Miramont Country Club May 21 will not be completed in time to host the Friday night dinner/dance and auctions. We're looking at alternatives, but meanwhile the celebrity golf lineup continues to grow with several marquee names.

Pending some family complications, we're fairly certain that San Diego Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson will be here. He's a Pro Bowler who led the AFC in combined rushing and receiving yards and who played for our staff at TCU. He is on the executive board of our foundation.

There is a limit of 50 teams in the tournament at Miramont and they are filling up fast. If you want to enter a team or play individually or purchase tickets to the party and auctions on May 20, contact the Boys and Girls Club in Bryan, or go to the tournament web site here for information and forms.

* * *

Something I always enjoy is getting together with students at Texas A&M, and I had a couple of good opportunities for that this week.

One was a talk on leadership to students in a marketing class at the Mays Business School. The other was a luncheon in our Bright Building conference room with a specially selected group of young people belonging to the organization Class Councils. There were eight members chosen from the 150 or so on the Class Councils based on their participation in events like Maroon Out, Elephant Walk and other traditions:

Amy Gray ‘05, Chuck Goldsmith ‘05, Allison Dunlap ‘06, Stephen Falcon ‘06, Dyer Hill ‘07, Melanie Lamb ‘07, Matt Ciarkowski ‘08, and Dana Pappalardo ‘08. They were joined by Krista Brod '06 who is public relations director for the Class Councils.

* * *

The seven coaches who are designated for recruiting have been on the road all week in their various territories. Seven of us will attend the Nike Combine at TCU in Fort Worth tomorrow, and then next week there will be seven of us out again. We have four weeks in April and May to recruit actively, and I'll make certain strategic visits myself.

Just 134 days to kickoff. Did I hear a Whoop! or two?

Gig 'em, Aggies!

Coach FranYeah. Danny Gorrer is another fellow Port Arthuran!!!! :D

pack0808
06-07-2005, 08:48 AM
well reggie has had little more success vs oklahoma then texas lately that is for sure. ;) and that is with a much weaker team.

TheDuke
06-07-2005, 10:13 AM
That doesn't mean anything. All that means is who ever is the Offensive Coordinator for Texas when they play OU should be fired!! A&M just has prepared better then TX for the OU games. I do think McNeal is a good QB, but he is no Vince Young! :D

pack0808
06-07-2005, 11:25 AM
please duke!! do not get me started on the young vs mcneal argument again. mcneal easily had the better overall stats last year no comparison. the only thing young had over mcneal was passing percentage which was barely. mcneal had way more passing yards, way more td's and with less interceptions. i could go on and on. not to mention mcneal is playing on a weaker team. i do not want to get another debate started so i will stop there. we will just have to agree to disagree.

wide-e-wide
06-07-2005, 11:27 AM
well reggie has had little more success vs oklahoma then texas lately that is for sure. ;) and that is with a much weaker team.

What gives man...stop bringing up OU...we know we know....It's
a very sensitive subject, that most Horns fans are tired of dealing
with...now I need a beer.lol

pack0808
06-07-2005, 11:35 AM
lol wide, you know i am iowa then i am texas 2nd. i used to hate the aggies but i cannot help but cheer for them when they are not playing my teams because all of the ex lufkin players that are aggies lately. i would prefer them to go to iowa or texas but it looks like it is not going to slow down soon. 2 more panthers signed with a&m this year in j lane, a dixon.

TheDuke
06-07-2005, 11:47 AM
please duke!! do not get me started on the young vs mcneal argument again. mcneal easily had the better overall stats last year no comparison. the only thing young had over mcneal was passing percentage which was barely. mcneal had way more passing yards, way more td's and with less interceptions. i could go on and on. not to mention mcneal is playing on a weaker team. i do not want to get another debate started so i will stop there. we will just have to agree to disagree.


OK OK OK!!! Soooooorry!!!
:eek: :eek: :eek: Maybe he is better then, what the hell do I know? :D

TheDuke
06-07-2005, 11:49 AM
What gives man...stop bringing up OU...we know we know....It's
a very sensitive subject, that most Horns fans are tired of dealing
with...now I need a beer.lol

I 2nd this!! We will not be crying this year bro!! This IS THE YEAR WE BEAT OU!!
:D

wide-e-wide
06-07-2005, 12:05 PM
For the sake of my television ...(which I will no doubt throw out of a window if we lose...)
And for the sake of my liver (which I will punish with mass quantities of Miller Lite)

I hope you are right Duke.

garlandowl08
06-07-2005, 01:07 PM
Ahh...that makes me want OU to beat Texas even more! just kidding...

I do want OU to win though

TheDuke
06-07-2005, 04:16 PM
Ahh...that makes me want OU to beat Texas even more! just kidding...

I do want OU to win though


Now why on EARTH would you want them to win? Unless you have a family history at OU you have no excuse!!!
:mad: :mad: :mad:

garlandowl08
06-07-2005, 04:31 PM
I really don't care at all about the game, I think its overhyped...and I do have a cousin who played for Texas, so I guess I can root for them...but I'm not gonna get into it...I won't be upset with an OU win or a Texas win. The only thing is if Texas beats OU, (assuming they beat Ohio St.) then I think they can make it to a National Championship...and I want the Aggies to do taht before t.u.

jtk1519
06-07-2005, 06:38 PM
please duke!! do not get me started on the young vs mcneal argument again. mcneal easily had the better overall stats last year no comparison. the only thing young had over mcneal was passing percentage which was barely.

You're kidding right?!?! Let's see...

11-1 & Rose Bowl win or 7-5 & Cotton Bowl massacre
11-1 & Rose Bowl win or 7-5 & Cotton Bowl massacre
11-1 & Rose Bowl win or 7-5 & Cotton Bowl massacre
11-1 & Rose Bowl win or 7-5 & Cotton Bowl massacre

...hmmm. I dont know how they do things down in collie station, but where I come from, Reggie was slaughtered in the only statistical category that matters... and it wasnt even close.

garlandowl08
06-07-2005, 06:44 PM
Your system for rating a QB is completely flawed! I can't believe even a tea-sip would be so ignorant as to compare a QB solely on their record and last game of the season. Whether or not Reggie is better than VY is debatable, but I hope even the more intelligent texas fans will agree with me here...

jtk1519
06-07-2005, 06:50 PM
Your system for rating a QB is completely flawed! I can't believe even a tea-sip would be so ignorant as to compare a QB solely on their record and last game of the season. Whether or not Reggie is better than VY is debatable, but I hope even the more intelligent texas fans will agree with me here...

So...... the goal is to put up really nice stats. That's what matters and winning football games... well, that just a rather meaningless secondary stat.

Ladies and gentlemen, I'm proud to announce that I have finally discovered why aggy football hasnt been worth a damn in over half a century.

garlandowl08
06-07-2005, 08:14 PM
Ok, if thats how it came out, thats not how it was meant to be said. You can't compare QB's on just how their teams did and you count judge teams on just their QB's...thats what im trying to say

jtk1519
06-07-2005, 09:37 PM
Ok, if thats how it came out, thats not how it was meant to be said. You can't compare QB's on just how their teams did and you count judge teams on just their QB's...thats what im trying to say

In the end, a QB has one job and one job only. He can perform that job any number of ways with any number of weapons, but in the end, his sole job is to lead his team to wins.

As a starter:

Vince is 17-2
Reggie is 11-13

To say that Vince has outperformed Reggie is an understatement of giant proportions.

pack0808
06-08-2005, 10:10 AM
You're kidding right?!?! Let's see...

11-1 & Rose Bowl win or 7-5 & Cotton Bowl massacre
11-1 & Rose Bowl win or 7-5 & Cotton Bowl massacre
11-1 & Rose Bowl win or 7-5 & Cotton Bowl massacre
11-1 & Rose Bowl win or 7-5 & Cotton Bowl massacre

...hmmm. I dont know how they do things down in collie station, but where I come from, Reggie was slaughtered in the only statistical category that matters... and it wasnt even close.


your right jtk winning is everything?? :rolleyes: ask jason white how the arena league is or ask charlie ward how high he was drafted after being the qb on their great winning teams with great systems. the nfl could care less about winning percentage. great players are with average to poor teams all the time. i wonder what reggie stats would have been playing for texas?? wow!! do not get me wrong, young is an amazing athlete who will be in the nfl somewhere but so is reggie and i would take him at qb any day over young. you are not going to change my mind. i have seen how young reads defenses and how he throws 15-20 yard outs and it is not pretty. again, we will have to agree to disagree.


but yeah, texas better worry about the horse shoe before they even think about oklahoma. it is very very tough to win at the shoe. watch out for aj hawk. ohio st will make you play very ugly there. iowa destroyed them last year but it was in iowa. the hawks have not won at the shoe in a very very long time like many teams.

pack0808
06-08-2005, 12:18 PM
speed speed and more speed!!


"[McNeal] is the fastest guy on the team," Harris said. "No question. We have never played against anyone as fast as he is. You have to put a hook on him. The thing that is scary about television is he didn't look that fast on television, but he is running around Virginia Tech's defense, and we all know how fast and ballyhooed Virginia Tech's defense is. And he's running around them."

Despite making only five starts, McNeal already is being compared to quarterbacks such as Michael Vick of the Atlanta Falcons and Donavon McNabb of the Philadelphia Eagles.

He is 6 feet 2, 195 pounds and runs the 100-yard dash in the 10-second range and the 40 in 4.3 seconds. And those times are legitimate, according to one man instrumental in recruiting McNeal for Texas A&M.

"When I say 4.3, I mean 4.3," said Pitt running backs coach Dino Babers, who was the Aggies' offensive coordinator the previous two seasons. "I'd be very surprised if anyone on either football team could line up and run with him. He's that fast.

garlandowl08
06-08-2005, 02:37 PM
your right jtk winning is everything?? :rolleyes: ask jason white how the arena league is or ask charlie ward how high he was drafted after being the qb on their great winning teams with great systems. the nfl could care less about winning percentage. great players are with average to poor teams all the time. i wonder what reggie stats would have been playing for texas?? wow!! do not get me wrong, young is an amazing athlete who will be in the nfl somewhere but so is reggie and i would take him at qb any day over young. you are not going to change my mind. i have seen how young reads defenses and how he throws 15-20 yard outs and it is not pretty. again, we will have to agree to disagree.


but yeah, texas better worry about the horse shoe before they even think about oklahoma. it is very very tough to win at the shoe. watch out for aj hawk. ohio st will make you play very ugly there. iowa destroyed them last year but it was in iowa. the hawks have not won at the shoe in a very very long time like many teams.

Finally someone here is backing me up!

pack0808
06-08-2005, 04:57 PM
that would be like saying trent dilfer was the better qb then peyton manning, brett favre, donovan mcnab etc et the year he won the super bowl for the ravens. no he was not, he was on the better team that had a great defense. that is just one example.

jtk1519
06-08-2005, 05:41 PM
This feeble attempt to try and compare college football to the pros is pointless. Everybody knows some QBs just dont project well into the pros. Look at Eric Crouch. One of the better QBs in the last decade or so, but most knew he had little chance to make it beyond Nebraska. You can also look at Tom Brady who was about average at Michigan and didnt project well into the NFL, but here he is with a bunch of rings.

Again, college football is not supposed to be a minor league system for the pros. The two have to be seperated because they are so different. College football isnt supposed to be just another highlight reel to show NFL scouts. They are apples and oranges.

mtbray
06-08-2005, 06:50 PM
You're kidding right?!?! Let's see...

11-1 & Rose Bowl win or 7-5 & Cotton Bowl massacre
11-1 & Rose Bowl win or 7-5 & Cotton Bowl massacre
11-1 & Rose Bowl win or 7-5 & Cotton Bowl massacre
11-1 & Rose Bowl win or 7-5 & Cotton Bowl massacre

...hmmm. I dont know how they do things down in collie station, but where I come from, Reggie was slaughtered in the only statistical category that matters... and it wasnt even close.

As others have said, it isn't fair to compare the team's record when you're talking about comparing the individual accomplishments of one player with that of another. This is coming from a Longhorn.


please duke!! do not get me started on the young vs mcneal argument again. mcneal easily had the better overall stats last year no comparison. the only thing young had over mcneal was passing percentage which was barely. mcneal had way more passing yards, way more td's and with less interceptions. i could go on and on. not to mention mcneal is playing on a weaker team. i do not want to get another debate started so i will stop there. we will just have to agree to disagree.

You mention the passing percentage is better for Vince but that Reggie has more yards. Please remember that it isn't fair to compare those kinds of stats either with each quaterback playing in a different system.

mtbray
06-08-2005, 06:53 PM
In the end, a QB has one job and one job only. He can perform that job any number of ways with any number of weapons, but in the end, his sole job is to lead his team to wins.

As a starter:

Vince is 17-2
Reggie is 11-13

To say that Vince has outperformed Reggie is an understatement of giant proportions.

You should have said:
To say that Vince's team has outperformed Reggie's team is an understatement of giant proportions.

Do you think VY would make the M&A team 17-2???
If you do you should logout immediately and never come back to this website.

jtk1519
06-08-2005, 07:09 PM
You should have said:
To say that Vince's team has outperformed Reggie's team is an understatement of giant proportions.

Do you think VY would make the M&A team 17-2???
If you do you should logout immediately and never come back to this website.

No, but I do think they would be better than 11-13. A lot can be said of the lack of talent around Reggie, but Reggie has done his share of folding down the stretch. Just as Reggie cant receive all the credit when they win, he cant escape all of the blame when they lose.

Favpack
06-08-2005, 07:50 PM
Reggie had a pretty lousy game against Tenn - as did all of the Ags. But, A&M has had a pretty woeful D, while VY has had the luxury of Donnie & crew. But I will say VY absolutely wowed me in the Rose.

I honestly don't know how much better A&M will be this year - but I think they'll be solid and in the hunt for the South title. Hey - Reggie has done one thing Vince hasn't -- and that is one humongous monkey hanging on VY's shoulder right now. ;)

jtk1519
06-08-2005, 08:20 PM
I think the biggest thing that separates Reggie from Vince is elusiveness. Sure Reggie has wheels. I would say that in a straight 100 yard dash, Reggie would beat Vince 95 out of 100 tries, but Reggie doesnt have the elusiveness and escapability that Vince has (ironic because Vince is so much bigger)... call it "football speed" if you will. Despite his speed, behind that weak O-line, Reggie isnt much more of a threat than BJ Symons was. That was plainly obvious in the Texas game.

That is why you see NFL scouts and such wowed by what they see in Vince. That is also why you hear VY's name mentioned for the Heisman when no such statements are made of Reggie. Reggie is good and everybody knows that, but Vince is on a whole other level.

jtk1519
06-08-2005, 09:32 PM
To go along with the point I made in the abboce post... Reggie has been sacked 53 times in three years. Vince has only been sacked 19 times in two years

pack0808
06-09-2005, 09:35 AM
and you think that has nothing to do with ut's gigantic and very good offensive line?? you think it does not matter that mcneal drops back and passes a lot more then young or that young had an offense that relied heavily on the running game and had a lot of safe play action passes. you think it all has to do with young's elusiveness?? :rolleyes: and you are right about the 100. mcneal was one of the top sprinters in texas and in the nation in the 100 out of highschool.

pack0808
06-09-2005, 09:58 AM
reggie mcneal 2004 stats att 344 comp 200 pct 58.1 yards 2791 td's 14 int's 4

vince young 2004 stats att 250 comp 148 pct 59.2 yards 1849 td's 12
int's 11



the most amazing stat to me is that mcneil threw the ball almost 100 more times then young and mcneil still had 7 less interceptions. young was 1 interception short of having as many int's as he did td's.


i know you will go back to the winning thing so remember this. the only player out of these 2 that has ever won a football championship is mcneil even though i do no think that is how you judge who is the better overall qb. a lot of the times winning has to do with who has the better team overall. a great qb can lose with a poor team while an average qb can win with a great team. i thought that was common sense??