Plano vs SLC

[WILDCAT27]

Just for kicks, who thinks Plano has a decent shot at Southlake this week?
i know it would take a miraculous game by plano for the win, but i think our team is more than capable of playing a game like that this year

[drgnbkr]

It will definately be a clash of styles...Carroll will take what the D gives, run or pass..Plano will try & impose its will on the Carroll D.....If Carroll stops the run like it has all year..game over...if Plano can move the chains..we have a game...

[BAMF cowboy]

usually i would be inclined to say that this late in the playoffs, plano has a great chance...but the way SLC has just been rolling through the first three rounds, i just dont see any reason that plano will change that

SLC in a blowout

[hollywood]

Just for kicks, who thinks Plano has a decent shot at Southlake this week?
i know it would take a miraculous game by plano for the win, but i think our team is more than capable of playing a game like that this year

If it takes a mircale, does that make it a decent chance? Logic should tell us that on pure numbers that it should be better than one in sixty. Plano is certainly better than the average team to fall to SLC in the last sixty games. So maybe there is a one in twenty-five shot. Or one in twenty.
On the other hand, this is the playoffs. So it is not just some other game.

I have seen a number of interceptions dropped by SLC opponents. Yes, they are focused on just staying with the receivers. But, if there were a couple of interceptions, and a couple of fumbles and maybe a couple of great run backs, with no Plano turnovers ... then maybe. Plano basically has to play their best possible game in all three phases and get some breaks. So it is possible. From a Plano point of view what would worry me most is the number of turnovers that they have given up recently. Yes they have been good enough to overcome them against other opponents. Can't afford that here. After the turnovers, then I have to worry about slowing down the SLC offense ... and then putting some serious points on the board ...

[WILDCAT27]

this game is really a win-win situation for plano.
1)nobody ever expected us to go this far, and we turned an 0-10 team into a state quarter finals team in just 2 years
2)if we win:we beat the defending state/national champ, and shock everyone in the state
3)if we lose: we lose to the defending state/national champs who will probably end up repeating the championship (not a bad team to get beat by this late in the playoffs)

either way, the wildcats have had a great season so far and hopefully can continue on to the semi's. cant wait til saturday :)
GO CATS!

[BAMF cowboy]

this game is really a win-win situation for plano.
1)nobody ever expected us to go this far, and we turned an 0-10 team into a state quarter finals team in just 2 years
2)if we win:we beat the defending state/national champ, and shock everyone in the state
3)if we lose: we lose to the defending state/national champs who will probably end up repeating the championship (not a bad team to get beat by this late in the playoffs)

either way, the wildcats have had a great season so far and hopefully can continue on to the semi's. cant wait til saturday :)
GO CATS!

agreed, that's what makes this scary, plano is just going to bring it, with that nothing to lose intensity

but we've seen it before...

[WILDCAT27]

If it takes a mircale, does that make it a decent chance?
i was saying it would be a miracle in everyone elses eyes

[drgnbkr]

You guys are the only ones talking about it being impossible..you and some of the posters from other schools..I say let the kids play..we can discuss styles of play all week but impossible? See Katy in 03....Good luck

[WildcatFan]

usually i would be inclined to say that this late in the playoffs, plano has a great chance...but the way SLC has just been rolling through the first three rounds, i just dont see any reason that plano will change that

SLC in a blowout

Well obviusly it would be a watse of breath at this point to argue on the basis of stats.

The fact is I think you might be a bit surprised at Plano especially if they show up to play.

I know seeing the boys after yesterday the feeling is we are humble and lucky to be here and they have nothing to loose.

I am not going to discount SLC you are great ball club, but I would be cautious on predicting a blow-out, if any team is in the position for an upset it could be this game and this team.

I know we appear to be sloppy at times and our wins don't always look like your blow outs but don't underestimate this team, I don't think anyone realizes how good they really are.

I am not saying they will win, I am just saying you might try some humility yourself just in case!

[AllenEagle06]

I'd say Plano has a decent chance against SLC. But I still think SLC will win.

My prediction is that it's close in the 1st half but Carroll pulls away in the 2nd half:
SLC 38
Plano 21

[BAMF cowboy]

Well obviusly it would be a watse of breath at this point to argue on the basis of stats.

The fact is I think you might be a bit surprised at Plano especially if they show up to play.

I know seeing the boys after yesterday the feeling is we are humble and lucky to be here and they have nothing to loose.

I am not going to discount SLC you are great ball club, but I would be cautious on predicting a blow-out, if any team is in the position for an upset it could be this game and this team.

I know we appear to be sloppy at times and our wins don't always look like your blow outs but don't underestimate this team, I don't think anyone realizes how good they really are.

I am not saying they will win, I am just saying you might try some humility yourself just in case!


stats? i could bombard you with them, it would only make you look foolish. in your thread you asked for our opinions, and i gave you mine, save your breath you arent going to change it. i responded to your 'Plano is in a win-win situation' post saying that i agree, so i am not completely ignoring the fact that they are a solid team that can come to play. I just dont think they have what it takes to knock off SLC. Katy is the only team in 4 years to it, by 1 point, what makes you think Plano is so special?

This is becoming my favorite quote:

People just dont get it until they play us.

[dragonsdaddy]

no one is in a better win-win situation than me. as an ex-wildcat qb and rabid fan(i have probably seen more plano state title games than anyone on here, at least as many), the outcome can't do anything but please me. heck, my kids have probably seen more wildcat title games than most of the posters and they were slc stars. i am truly enjoying this week.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

stats? i could bombard you with them, it would only make you look foolish. in your thread you asked for our opinions, and i gave you mine, save your breath you arent going to change it. i responded to your 'Plano is in a win-win situation' post saying that i agree, so i am not completely ignoring the fact that they are a solid team that can come to play. I just dont think they have what it takes to knock off SLC. Katy is the only team in 4 years to it, by 1 point, what makes you think Plano is so special?

This is becoming my favorite quote:

People just dont get it until they play us.

Same can be said about Plano. "People just don't get it until they play us".

[BAMF cowboy]

not so much...because for four years people have been calling upsets, and saying they can hang with us.

What happened to MacArthur's DB's shutting down our passing game this year?
What happened to Allen's spread offense that was going to tear up our defense?
What happened to Abilene's revenge?

I hate to do this, but you guys can feel good for about 6 days or so. I'm done being nice, I don't think you know what you are in for.

[dragonsdaddy]

slc is like a tornado. you can study them and learn everything there is to know about them, but when one hits your backyard, the next morning you are looking for your dog in the next county.

[hollywood]

i was saying it would be a miracle in everyone elses eyes

I hear you. All I can say is that Plano does need to go into the game feeling that they can win. If not they are already beaten. In any one game, anything can happen. Good luck!

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

not so much...because for four years people have been calling upsets, and saying they can hang with us.

What happened to MacArthur's DB's shutting down our passing game this year?
What happened to Allen's spread offense that was going to tear up our defense?
What happened to Abilene's revenge?

I hate to do this, but you guys can feel good for about 6 days or so. I'm done being nice, I don't think you know what you are in for.

I feel great. Plano is 13-0 and SLC is 13-0 . I am an old school wildcat. I have seen every Playoff game and played in 6 myself. (State Rings are cool). Since 1977. Except a small stretch in 87, 88 (off living the dream of college ball, found out it wasn't as exciting as playing for Plano)
In those 28 years. Plano has been uncompetitive in exactly 1 Playoff game vs Duncanville in the mid 90's. Thats a stretch of over 50 playoff games or more. I expect Plano to Play well and play close. From their we see what happens. Plano stays with-in a touchdown going into the 4th they will win.

[WildcatFan]

not so much...because for four years people have been calling upsets, and saying they can hang with us.

What happened to MacArthur's DB's shutting down our passing game this year?
What happened to Allen's spread offense that was going to tear up our defense?
What happened to Abilene's revenge?

I hate to do this, but you guys can feel good for about 6 days or so. I'm done being nice, I don't think you know what you are in for.

Wow we are so scared now! we don't know what we are in for ooooh no!

We know exactly what we are in for a hard fought game between two good teams. I am done being nice go on and keep preaching blow outs so I can add this sentence to your list.

What happened to us when we predicted blow out against Plano?

[Butch Fifield]

as an ex-wildcat qb and rabid fan

if your real name is Butch Fifield, I apologize for using your name:)

what years did you play?

ever since i started watching Plano football (1977), the QB has been the star of the team.

[dragons08]

Great Another Thread About This...

[BAMF cowboy]

slc is like a tornado. you can study them and learn everything there is to know about them, but when one hits your backyard, the next morning you are looking for your dog in the next county.

congrats dragonsdaddy, you just made my sig

[dragons08]

congrats dragonsdaddy, you just made my sig
congrats DDADDY! you are now famous!

[BAMF cowboy]

congrats DDADDY! you are now famous!

d08...your smartassery is getting on my nerves

...but you're helping with my community vet campaign so i can't complain

[dragons08]

d08...your smartassery is getting on my nerves

...but you're helping with my community vet campaign so i can't complain
using big words like that will help you on your essay!

[dragonsdaddy]

if your real name is Butch Fifield, I apologize for using your name:)

what years did you play?

ever since i started watching Plano football (1977), the QB has been the star of the team.
i was several years before your time. the stars were on defense and at rb. he (pat thomas)was inducted into the plano sports hall of fame this year.

[Butch Fifield]

I have read that Gordon Wood was mad at Plano coaches because Pat Thomas came into the semi-final game against them at quarterback for the last game-winning drive. He claimed that the Plano coaches cut out of the game films they gave him the parts with Pat at QB. Is this true?

[dragonsdaddy]

I have read that Gordon Wood was mad at Plano coaches because Pat Thomas came into the semi-final game against them at quarterback for the last game-winning drive. He claimed that the Plano coaches cut out of the game films they gave him the parts with Pat at QB. Is this true?
i heard that later too. pat played qb behind me as a soph before he broke his thumb. i don't know whether he played any before the bwood game.

[TexasRed6x]

Great Another Thread About This...

I think that Plano has a better chance of catching a cold that beating SLC.

[Planowildcats160]

Plano can beat SLC. it's that simple. i'm not saying they will. but they can. It will require a perfect plano game-but they can do it. Once again, everyone is forgeting they key to plano's sucesss-the desire to win. It's an intangeable thing-it dosen't make for great stats. But Plano has battled out of tough situations in 4 games this year-winning all of them in the 4th quarter. they just wear down the opposing team (mainly thier defense). and in Plano can wear down SGP's defense-they can sure wear down SLC's. the key will be for plano to keep the game close. But never fear- even a running attack can still produce quick points- in the SGP game plano put up 14 in the final 2 minutes of the second half. If the game is close in the 4th quarter i predict a plano win. SLC's lack of playing close games will hurt them there. Plano has consistently dominated the second and fourth quarters. Believe me, plano won't be giving up or calling it quits. SLC is a great team. They are a better team than plano. But the best team doesn't always win-its the team that wants it the most. One team-one mind-one goal- PLANO WILDCATS 2005

[dragonsdaddy]

i would assume that sgp and slc are synonymous in any way shape or form. you are pretty much the first person to ever make that stupendous leap. they did play with an oblong ball and had 11 men on the field, but that's about it. didn't they go into overtime with a team we totally dominated a couple of weeks earlier.

i expect nothing but the greatest of efforts out of the wildcats. they are my descendents in a way, and i am extremely proud of them for returning the cats to the forefront of texas hs football. it's where they really always belonged anyway.

[my3sons]

Can Plano win??? Yes. Any team that has won 13 games in 5A is a worthy opponent. SLC respects all opponents, that is why they are so prepared. Talking to Coach Hal Wasson from Fossil Ridge (he played both teams), he feels Plano can win and maybe it won't be considered an upset. I'm betting that the SLC defense will be the difference. Don't disrespect Plano,the Wildcats will come to play.

[drgnbkr]

i would assume that sgp and slc are synonymous in any way shape or form. you are pretty much the first person to ever make that stupendous leap. they did play with an oblong ball and had 11 men on the field, but that's about it. didn't they go into overtime with a team we totally dominated a couple of weeks earlier.

i expect nothing but the greatest of efforts out of the wildcats. they are my descendents in a way, and i am extremely proud of them for returning the cats to the forefront of texas hs football. it's where they really always belonged anyway.

If we are making leaps..did'nt I-Mac beat SGP? Carroll had no problem blowing out I-Mac...Carroll also has a little of the "desire to win" they did'nt luck into being 60-1 in 5-A

[hollywood]

i would assume that sgp and slc are synonymous in any way shape or form. you are pretty much the first person to ever make that stupendous leap. they did play with an oblong ball and had 11 men on the field, but that's about it. didn't they go into overtime with a team we totally dominated a couple of weeks earlier.

i expect nothing but the greatest of efforts out of the wildcats. they are my descendents in a way, and i am extremely proud of them for returning the cats to the forefront of texas hs football. it's where they really always belonged anyway.

No SGP and SLC are not the same. SGP and Plano are very close to each other. I will not replay the Plano / SGP game again. Plano won that game. I think if the two teams played each other ten times, they might each win five or at least one might win six. They are that close. IMO. Maybe Plano fans would claim different. But that would only make your point. Neither Plano nor SGP are at the same level as SLC.

SGP was likely the best team for Plano to beat this year. SGP beat Trinity. I don't think we can say that Plano would beat Trinity because of that fact. It does not work that way. If Trinity and SGP were to play ten times, as much as I would like to believe otherwise, Trinity would likely come away the victor eight or nine times. No we should not go through the whole Trinity vs. SLC thing again. There will be time for that if each wins their respective division. We will never know what that game would have yielded ...

[hollywood]

If we are making leaps..did'nt I-Mac beat SGP? Carroll had no problem blowing out I-Mac...Carroll also has a little of the "desire to win" they did'nt luck into being 60-1 in 5-A

IMac beat SGP
SGP beat Trinity
Trinity beat IMac

SLC beat IMac (severely)

[dragons08]

we can aruge this alllllllll dayyyyy

[hollywood]

we can aruge this alllllllll dayyyyy

Its going to be a long week ... again

[reed35]

no one is in a better win-win situation than me. as an ex-wildcat qb and rabid fan(i have probably seen more plano state title games than anyone on here, at least as many), the outcome can't do anything but please me. heck, my kids have probably seen more wildcat title games than most of the posters and they were slc stars. i am truly enjoying this week.
i have seen every title game..........won and lost

[BAMF cowboy]

well assuming SLC moves on, at least we can know that this will be the last of all the trash talking...unless cove wins.

lufkin, sv, and katy all have very respectful fans, so assuming the big four all take care of business, hopefully there'll be a significant decrease in trash talking

[PESHfan]

Just for kicks, who thinks Plano has a decent shot at Southlake this week?
i know it would take a miraculous game by plano for the win, but i think our team is more than capable of playing a game like that this year

The only way Plano wins this one is to stop the passing game of SLC, and for SLC not to be able to stop Plano's running game. Don't want to dis the Wildcats who have had an awesome season so far, but I've got a better chance of becoming the next Pope than they do of beating SLC. I'll still be cheering loud and long for the Wildcats on Saturday, but it definitely looks like the end of the road for the cardiac cats.

[toonman]

stats? i could bombard you with them, it would only make you look foolish. in your thread you asked for our opinions, and i gave you mine, save your breath you arent going to change it. i responded to your 'Plano is in a win-win situation' post saying that i agree, so i am not completely ignoring the fact that they are a solid team that can come to play. I just dont think they have what it takes to knock off SLC. Katy is the only team in 4 years to it, by 1 point, what makes you think Plano is so special?

This is becoming my favorite quote:

People just dont get it until they play us.

I like that quote "People just don’t get it until they play us". SLC has seen it all year. Fans post how great their team, (I admire loyalty, provided it comes a well reasoned argument). Can we take a reasoned and factual approach to this game? I am sure you (you being Plano fans) will all agree that SLC starts as huge favorites for this game, which has the potential for a blow out early on. SLC slaughtered Abilene 52-0. Abilene beat Midland 31-20 and Plano only beat Midland 20-7. Yes encourage and support your team, but do not make unsubstantiated and poorly reasoned trashy comments. I suggest that you read some of the old threads from I-Mac fans, Allen fans and Abilene fans. All saying the same thing as you; “we have the fastest DBs in the state” "SLC have not played a true rushing team", "SLC not played against hard hitting d", "you have not played us yet", "we will make the game close", "weak district", "soft schedule", etc. You are making the same mistake as all the other teams during the SLC 5A game record of 60-1. You only look at your team; you are not considering exactly what SLC brings to the party. 8 deep wide receiver corps, each of them being sure handed, probably the fastest octet of receivers ever in one high school anywhere. Not to mention the supreme masters of the spread offense and SLC’s best ever defense in 5A. Plano are a good team, but at the moment SLC is in a class of their own. Best of luck; because you are going to need it, as I see another huge score for Southlake Carroll. I am sure the 52-0 victory sent shock waves through the entire 5A football community. I bet even the most loyal Plano fan would have to admit some shock at seeing that score.

Let me finish by saying "People just don’t get it until they play Southlake Carroll"

[WildcatFan]

I like that quote "People just don’t get it until they play us". SLC has seen it all year. Fans post how great their team, (I admire loyalty, provided it comes a well reasoned argument). Can we take a reasoned and factual approach to this game? I am sure you (you being Plano fans) will all agree that SLC starts as huge favorites for this game, which has the potential for a blow out early on. SLC slaughtered Abilene 52-0. Abilene beat Midland 31-20 and Plano only beat Midland 20-7. Yes encourage and support your team, but do not make unsubstantiated and poorly reasoned trashy comments. I suggest that you read some of the old threads from I-Mac fans, Allen fans and Abilene fans. All saying the same thing as you; “we have the fastest DBs in the state” "SLC have not played a true rushing team", "SLC not played against hard hitting d", "you have not played us yet", "we will make the game close", "weak district", "soft schedule", etc. You are making the same mistake as all the other teams during the SLC 5A game record of 60-1. You only look at your team; you are not considering exactly what SLC brings to the party. 8 deep wide receiver corps, each of them being sure handed, probably the fastest octet of receivers ever in one high school anywhere. Not to mention the supreme masters of the spread offense and SLC’s best ever defense in 5A. Plano are a good team, but at the moment SLC is in a class of their own. Best of luck; because you are going to need it, as I see another huge score for Southlake Carroll. I am sure the 52-0 victory sent shock waves through the entire 5A football community. I bet even the most loyal Plano fan would have to admit some shock at seeing that score.

Let me finish by saying "People just don’t get it until they play Southlake Carroll"

Yeah I would agree to a point but your rational is exactly the rational of ours no different.

For example Plano has a good Defense IMHO one you have not faced against and on and on and on yada yada yada.

"Your reply" we have seen this talk before look to Allen, look to Abilene yada yada yada and on and on and on.

SLC will blow Plano away we have seen this before SGP to fast too big for Plano, Midland--Plano can't stop Batch and yada yada yada and on and on and on!

I agree with you SLC is a great football team and I honestly do not know who will win until late Sat. afternoon.

I think we will!

You think the Dragons will!

Fair enough, go ahead and keep predicting blow outs if you get it you can snivel and laugh and say I told you so, if you don't then I can snivel and laugh and I WILL DEFINATLEY SAY I TOLD YOU SO.

By the way I am not sure snivel is a word, but it sounded proper!

Plano you don't get it until you play us yada yada blah blah blah!

[BAMF cowboy]

it's not that we don't think plano CAN win...it's just we think they wont:D

[constance108]

I believed that they have a shot b/c they have good offense but on the other hand SLC have a great defense.

GO Pack!!!!!!!

[RidgePride]

Just for kicks, who thinks Plano has a decent shot at Southlake this week?
i know it would take a miraculous game by plano for the win, but i think our team is more than capable of playing a game like that this year
I was fortunate enough to watch Ridge play Plano and SLC this year.

Plano got Ridge with four defensive starters missing due to injury.
SLC played us basically at full strength.
My humble OPINION goes as such:

1) This is a must see game for all High School Football enthusiasts.
2) Plano and Carroll are similar in discipline and work ethic.
3) Plano will move the ball!!!
4) Southlake will move the ball more (Duh).

Southlake wins 33-14

[RidgePride]

Yeah I would agree to a point but your rational is exactly the rational of ours no different.

For example Plano has a good Defense IMHO one you have not faced against and on and on and on yada yada yada.

"Your reply" we have seen this talk before look to Allen, look to Abilene yada yada yada and on and on and on.

SLC will blow Plano away we have seen this before SGP to fast too big for Plano, Midland--Plano can't stop Batch and yada yada yada and on and on and on!

I agree with you SLC is a great football team and I honestly do not know who will win until late Sat. afternoon.

I think we will!

You think the Dragons will!

Fair enough, go ahead and keep predicting blow outs if you get it you can snivel and laugh and say I told you so, if you don't then I can snivel and laugh and I WILL DEFINATLEY SAY I TOLD YOU SO.

By the way I am not sure snivel is a word, but it sounded proper!

Plano you don't get it until you play us yada yada blah blah blah!


I am rooting for Plano - - Just don't think it will happen. I even saw your Wildcats dismantle Ridge worse than SLC did.
(familiarity with a team sometimes makes the score closer than expected).
EX Plano vs PESH - SLC vs Grapevine.

Good Luck Wildcats!

[PlanoRep]

I wouldnt be so sure that SLC is going to blow plano out. Plano is hungry for this win and wants to prove not only to the state but the nation that they have what it takes to defeat SLC. I think its very possible. SLC and plano and come a long way for a reason. Its all going to come down to who wants it the most. As far as strategy goes. Plano's D is not going to allow or famous Texas Tech recruit to hold the ball as long as he usually does. There are always loopholes in an offensive line and as plano has shown, they always find the loopholes. Even if plano cant reach SLC's qb there is still going to be a lot of pressure on him and im sure there will be a couple interceptions on our part. People tend to kind of look past our secondary's capability however i wouldnt say that they are unstoppable. SLC hasnt matched up with our power option running game yet and it should be interesting to see how they try to stop it. Im not saying that they cant but in recent years remember how katy beat SLC. What a coincidence that katy is also a power option running team!

PLano has what it takes to knock SLC off their thrown
As far as SLC goes..well we will just see for ourselves

1 p.m saturday at Texas Stadium Be There!!

[Favpack]

PRep- I think it starts at high noon - don't be late.

[Weber]

Poor Oh Plano...yall had a good year considering your record but everybody in the nation already knows Plano is getting ready fro basketball-track season-baseball etc ..maybe next year ??

Southlake 66
Plano 10

[PlanoRep]

Southlake has lost one game since advancing to class 5a and it came against

katy, an I-Formation, power option running attack.

-Plano Star Courier

[drgnbkr]

I think they are on Eastern Standard time over there on the other side of Dallas...:D its amazing to me how they are all fixated on "the blowout"..I don't think anyone from Carroll is saying blowout, but its all you hear from Plano...all I know is someone said that styles make good games & this one is a contrast of styles..Carroll will probably throw more in the first series than Plano will in the entire game!

[hollywood]

SLC will blow Plano away we have seen this before SGP to fast too big for Plano ...


I don't think I see the parallel here. I guess the argument for SGP was that they did not see Plano rolling over SGP. Which they did not. I think Plano played a great game to come back and put away. Maybe someone was making the argument that SGP was too big and too fast to lose to Plano. Are equating these two comments?

[BigFanSLC]

Southlake has lost one game since advancing to class 5a and it came against

katy, an I-Formation, power option running attack.

-Plano Star Courier
and that was against the 2003 Dragons... the 2005 Dragons are a much better team then the 2003 team.

Keep thinking the Dragon D won't stop your power running game, they are better against the run IMHO.

I say it every week.... Plano fans are the exact same this week as the fans of IMAC, Allen, and Abilene were during their last week of football.

Good Luck.

SLC- 35ish
Plano- Less then 17

[dragonsdaddy]

Southlake has lost one game since advancing to class 5a and it came against

katy, an I-Formation, power option running attack.

-Plano Star Courier
i've watched that game more than you have, i'm sure, and i don't remember them running a single option play. they may have once or twice, but they were not an option team. they were a power i team par excelence. of course plano doesn't run the option nearly as much as they run power sweeps and such, so maybe the verbage descriptor is your only true error. palno will not find a team that didn't learn from the loss. eating up the clock will require scoring almost every series to be successful. just eating up the clock will only keep the score down a little. however a loss is a loss regardless.

[Phoenixrising05]

To clear up a misconception that many Plano fans seem to have:

SLC's defense has given up LESS yards than anyone else you have played. Several of your posters have said that you were able to move the ball against defenses superior to the Dragons...well look at the stats. SLC has given up less yards than PESH, SGP, or anyone else on your schedule. There is also a slight mismatch in that both the Dragons and Cats have given up about twice as many yards passing compared to the run. Good news for SLC, not so much for Plano. SLC also gets about 160 yds more pg while allowing about 40 less than Plano.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

The original post ask the question,"Does Plano have a decent shot?"

I think the answer is yes. They have decent team, a decent record, decent players, and a decent coaching staff. I think that equals a decent shot.

Do I think they will beat SLC? Now that is a different question. SLC +19

Not trying to ruffle feathers. Just my 2cents.

[Butch Fifield]

They have decent team, a decent record, decent players, and a decent coaching staff. I think that equals a decent shot.

actually if all of these things were just decent, they would have no shot.

[WILDCAT27]

They have decent team, a decent record, decent players, and a decent coaching staff. I think that equals a decent shot.
Do I think they will beat SLC? Now that is a different question. SLC +19
I wouldnt say they just have a 'decent' record, last time i checked 13-0's not too shabby, its a GREAT record. Plano also has a GREAT team, and GREAT players. you may be right about the decent coaching staff though. haha;)
overall, i think Plano has a very good shot this week

[Butch Fifield]

you may be right about the decent coaching staff though. haha

lol a player dissing the coaches.

i hope they don't read this:)

[WILDCAT27]

lol a player dissing the coaches.

i hope they don't read this:)

haha me too:eek:
most of them are pretty good, theres just this one guy...

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

To clear up a misconception that many Plano fans seem to have:

SLC's defense has given up LESS yards than anyone else you have played. Several of your posters have said that you were able to move the ball against defenses superior to the Dragons...well look at the stats. SLC has given up less yards than PESH, SGP, or anyone else on your schedule. There is also a slight mismatch in that both the Dragons and Cats have given up about twice as many yards passing compared to the run. Good news for SLC, not so much for Plano. SLC also gets about 160 yds more pg while allowing about 40 less than Plano.


TO me defenses are measured by points allowed. Who cares what you do between the 20's its what counts in the endzone. PLano's defense has surrendered about 20 points less the SLC's. To me Defenses are evenly matched. Plano is a better running team than SLC and of course SLC is far superior passing team. If Plano does not turn the ball over runs the ball well and do not give up the big pass plays. Then they have a good shot for a win.
That's all big ifs.:)

[jagannooni]

I do beleive that Plano stands a chance against slc, but Plano will have to play better than they did when they played Allen. Yes, it is very unlikely that Plano will win this, but it isn't going to be a blow out. I call 24-21 SLC. To all of you dragon's fans that getting riled up over a team you think you are going to kill, its just a game. Just remember success is counted sweetest and Plano really wants a win.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Poor Oh Plano...yall had a good year considering your record but everybody in the nation already knows Plano is getting ready fro basketball-track season-baseball etc ..maybe next year ??

Southlake 66
Plano 10

Hey webel wobble you always fall down. :D

You said the same thing about Plano last week against Midland.

[PaulinPlano]

He placed one of the smooth stones in his sling, drew back his hand and slung the stone quickly straight into the forehead of the Giant, dinting his brow deeply. The Giant fell face down onto the ground. He quickly ran to his form, grasped the gaint's sword from its sheath, stabbed the gaint with the sword and then cut off the giant's head.

[Dds115]

I'm pretty sure you'd get in trouble for unsportsmanlike conduct if you did that. I mean, it might not be in the rule book, but it's probably just assumed. Sorry.

[planocat05]

well assuming SLC moves on, at least we can know that this will be the last of all the trash talking...unless cove wins.

lufkin, sv, and katy all have very respectful fans, so assuming the big four all take care of business, hopefully there'll be a significant decrease in trash talking

Plano does have very respectful fans....just not on this forum. you will see on Saterday they are quite classy.

[UT66]

Hey Plano, just play like you did against Katy in 94 and get a copy of the SLC/Katy game for 03. Ask SLC, it can be done!

[graveyardpoet]

Offense wins games. Defense wins Championships.

SLC has a defense that is improving in the post-season. Plano has a defense that has been there all year.

SLC has an offense that has been there all year. Plano has an offense that is improving every play.

Based on that, I say GO PLANO!!

[dragonsdaddy]

Offense wins games. Defense wins Championships.

SLC has a defense that is improving in the post-season. Plano has a defense that has been there all year.

SLC has an offense that has been there all year. Plano has an offense that is improving every play.

Based on that, I say GO PLANO!!
i listened to the game sat, and i wonder how improved they were in the first half when held to 2-3 first downs. granted they had the lead, but had midland been at all able to solve the plano defense(not a walk in the park), it wouldn't have held up. the changes at halftime were palpable even over the internet, and sfikas did the cats proud. a first half of that new and improved offense may dig too deep a hole for a ground oriented offense, esp against a strong, confident defense.

[planocat05]

i herd rumors that the game is goin to be on ESPN does anyone know if this is true?

[dragonsdaddy]

i herd rumors that the game is goin to be on ESPN does anyone know if this is true?
i'm betting espn would love to replace one of their myriad star-search hold-em tournies with a game like this, but it takes some preparation. i haven't heard anything.

[planoeast]

KT's Note- personal attacks not tolerated.

[DragonWatcher]

Someone's about to get banned. He didn't even say anything bad.

[toonman]

Both dragoncrew06 and dragons08 are good kids and are very fair (and very loyal) when posting. I do not think posters should resort to insulting school kids. Both are long time contributors and we should respect their commitment to their school; one by playing band and the other being in the Crew.

[dragonsdaddy]

it's got to gall the orients that they hired a coach whose main(only) claim to fame was that he'd never lost to todd dodge, and he can't sniff a win, and even lost to the hated cats this year. what's not to be bitter about. hahahaha.

[KT2000]

If Plano does stand a chance in this one, it will be because their style on offense allows them to shorten the game with clock eating drives. SLC will not be beaten by another spread team.

I'm leaning towards SLC by a lot, but I'll give Plano some consolation with my score pick:

Southlake Carroll 42 Plano 21

[Butch Fifield]

If Plano does stand a chance in this one, it will be because their style on offense allows them to shorten the game with clock eating drives. SLC will not be beaten by another spread team.

that is what you and I would think, but Carroll's one scare this year was from Grapevine who passed for 300 yards and ran for zilch.

[dragonsdaddy]

that is what you and I would think, but Carroll's one scare this year was from Grapevine who passed for 300 yards and ran for zilch.
not that the 2 are related, but lightning almost struck my house last spring. had the stars been a little more in gvines way, we wouldn't be quite so interested/over-hyped. plano would still be just as likely to dislike the outcome, and vice versa.

[YouKnowTha3T]

plano had a nice run but seriously..if its a close game...tell me what gives them the edge?

running teams can hold the ball...ok...but you gotta be able to move the ball on this years defense...it isnt going to happen SLC hasnt had anyone run the ball on them htat great since week two..that was nearly three months ago

[WildcatFan]

plano had a nice run but seriously..if its a close game...tell me what gives them the edge?

running teams can hold the ball...ok...but you gotta be able to move the ball on this years defense...it isnt going to happen SLC hasnt had anyone run the ball on them htat great since week two..that was nearly three months ago

I would agree that SLC is good against the run but they have not face the all-power-running team, mostly spread teams with a lot of TAG (tackle and guard pulls.

I would surmise that since plano is mostly a ground team, we will hit them with J.J on the toss sweep, Mark and JJ on the option and if outside isn't hitting some nice mid-line and ISO which P-Town can run quite well.

Also Sfikas is called the human bowling ball and is a tough runner himself.

SLC has a great air game with tons of weapons, Plano has a great grond game with tons of weapons. If plano can score on the ground and the D can find a away to slow SLC's air attack then I think this game will be close.

[RidgePride]

SLC has a great air game with tons of weapons, Plano has a great grond game with tons of weapons. If plano can score on the ground and the D can find a away to slow SLC's air attack then I think this game will be close.

Talk about stating the Obvious!!

[angustexas05]

if Plano doesn't get SC, Katy will. Katy did it in 03. honestly though, I like Plano's chances. they are a solid team who will steadily move the ball against a good SC D and control the clock. unbelievable kicker. and high power D that will slow SC passing game.

[BigFanSLC]

same ole talk every week.... im not worried and i know all the players at SLC are preparing for this game as if it was the state championship. Dodge and his crew will have them ready, don't bet against that.

SLC- 35ish
Plano-17

[ALLIN]

How big is Sfikas, and how fast is he. I dont want all the padded stuff, just the facts, I have just seen pics of him and he looks shorter than normal, more like a RB

[Butch Fifield]

How big is Sfikas, and how fast is he.

He is 5'9", 185. Don't know his 40 time.

He is an option QB. Plano passed more this year than the past, but is not gonna win this game if they come out passing.

[ALLIN]

He looks like a load in the couple of picks I have seen. I hope they come out throwing :)

[dragonsdaddy]

He is 5'9", 185. Don't know his 40 time.

He is an option QB. Plano passed more this year than the past, but is not gonna win this game if they come out passing.
i remember the fifield angst during the sgp game. i suspect you are right about the passing part. they need to be throwing when they usually don't. brence isn't much on that, but he might see the light this week and who knows.

[Butch Fifield]

remember the fifield angst during the sgp game. i suspect you are right about the passing part. they need to be throwing when they usually don't.

it was the same angst I had during the last 3 games of the season and the Desoto game.

You are right about needing to throw when they usually don't. First down is the easiest down for a QB to throw on. Do some quick slants or throw to the tight end.

One play burned me up against Midland. We were in 4 down territory. I forget exactly where, but probably around the 30. It was 3rd & 3. We threw the ball. Incompletion. We went for it on 4th, and came up a yard short. In those situations, when you are an option running team, you do not throw on third down. You run your option. If you don't get the first down, then hopefully you have a very makeable 4th & 1.

I want to see us throw only 5 times like we did against Midland. If we do have to comeback, then yes we are gonna have to throw. But let's wait until then.

[Favpack]

it was the same angst I had during the last 3 games of the season and the Desoto game.

You are right about needing to throw when they usually don't. First down is the easiest down for a QB to throw on. Do some quick slants or throw to the tight end.

One play burned me up against Midland. We were in 4 down territory. I forget exactly where, but probably around the 30. It was 3rd & 3. We threw the ball. Incompletion. We went for it on 4th, and came up a yard short. In those situations, when you are an option running team, you do not throw on third down. You run your option. If you don't get the first down, then hopefully you have a very makeable 4th & 1.

I want to see us throw only 5 times like we did against Midland. If we do have to comeback, then yes we are gonna have to throw. But let's wait until then.

butch - you guys really need to embrace this whole forward pass thingie - it's really not as dangerous as it might appear;)

[dragonsdaddy]

butch - you guys really need to embrace this whole forward pass thingie - it's really not as dangerous as it might appear;)
there's only 3 things that can happen, right? daddy d taught us all that. plano has been believing it for a long time. i may still hold the single game passing record for plano, and that was 35 years ago. it wouldn't even average what slc qbs have for the last couple of years.

[WestlandTiger'95]

for plano to have a chance they will have to force SLC to keep the safeties 12-15 yards off the ball....which means they will have to be able to pass efficiently(not alot, but some). If SLC can afford to keep 8-9 guys in the box, it will be over very, very quickly. SLC's defense will DEFINITELY be able to shut down ANY one dimensional running game. Plano's QB will have to make the right reads this week(which will be new for him) in order to move the ball agaisnt this very disciplined SLC "D".

the problem with this is that Plano hasnt done it all year and will be hard to execute that game plan.

I think you can do it and hope that you do make it a good game...but my brain says UH OH!!!

SLC 31
Plano 13

[Sakatha]

it was the same angst I had during the last 3 games of the season and the Desoto game.

You are right about needing to throw when they usually don't. First down is the easiest down for a QB to throw on. Do some quick slants or throw to the tight end.

One play burned me up against Midland. We were in 4 down territory. I forget exactly where, but probably around the 30. It was 3rd & 3. We threw the ball. Incompletion. We went for it on 4th, and came up a yard short. In those situations, when you are an option running team, you do not throw on third down. You run your option. If you don't get the first down, then hopefully you have a very makeable 4th & 1.

I want to see us throw only 5 times like we did against Midland. If we do have to comeback, then yes we are gonna have to throw. But let's wait until then.

If Plano only has 5 pass attempts on Saturday... Well... I hope the praying thing works out for em..

~DnM

[Butch Fifield]

butch - you guys really need to embrace this whole forward pass thingie - it's really not as dangerous as it might appear

For the forward pass thingie to work, you have to have coaches that know how to implement the passing game. Believe me, if Coach Dodge came over to coach Plano, I would be thrilled for him to implement his offensive system.

But that is not what these Plano coaches do well. They need to stick with what they know.

[Butch Fifield]

If Plano only has 5 pass attempts on Saturday... Well... I hope the praying thing works out for em..

believe me, if Plano only passes the ball 5 times saturday, that would mean the game is going pretty dang well for them.

[WildcatFan]

I agree with the consusneus on the pass thing I would tend to throw more on 1st and 2nd than on 3rd in Plano's O system.

Also I am not a big fan of the hitch pass where they usually throw to Jordan with the the two big receivers throwing a block to screen off the defenders. This hasn't produced many yards in the past couple games I have seen.

Sfikas hit the fade route twice in the SGP game and ended up with 2 TD's due to blown coverage by the SGP DB's

I prefer slants, curls and quick stops hit em in the middle type routes against SLC, I think if Plano goes for the long ball SLC will play that coverage perfect and we could end up turning the ball over.

The Midland game is not a game to compare too on passing the wind and sun was a factor.

I think Plano threw the ball best against Allen, that was the most well balanced game all year where we destroyed them on the run and the passing game was on all cylinders. If they can have a game like Allen with well balanced O and the D can hold SLC to few TD's we got ourselves a game.

[ALLIN]

The only problem is SLC Defense is not Allens and Plano will not hold the dragon O to a "few" scores. Have you seen the last 3 games? SLC is playing the best Offense they have played in a few years.

[Sakatha]

believe me, if Plano only passes the ball 5 times saturday, that would mean the game is going pretty dang well for them.


I can't believe it's only Tuesday. Have you seen SLC play in person, ever?

~DnM

[reed35]

same ole talk every week.... im not worried and i know all the players at SLC are preparing for this game as if it was the state championship. Dodge and his crew will have them ready, don't bet against that.
SLC- 35ish
Plano-17
no one is disputing this fact. Just stating Plano is preparing as well

[dragonsdaddy]

i'm assuming butch means that if plano only throws when they have to, and they don't have to throw but 5 times, they'll be doing ok.

[Butch Fifield]

can't believe it's only Tuesday. Have you seen SLC play in person, ever?

I don't understand what throwing only 5 times has to do with Southlake's play, other than it means that Plano wasn't forced to try and pass a bunch to try and come back from a big deficit.

[toonman]

if Plano doesn't get SC, Katy will. Katy did it in 03. honestly though, I like Plano's chances. they are a solid team who will steadily move the ball against a good SC D and control the clock. unbelievable kicker. and high power D that will slow SC passing game.

Is this just a bit of wishful thinking - hoping that Katy does not have to face a possible match up with SLC in the final. All the numbers (facts) indicate a win for SLC. I would share your optimism if there were a few more solid facts than just; " they are a solid team who will steadily move the ball against a good SC D and control the clock. Unbelievable kicker and high power D that will slow SC passing game". I remember reading exactly the same for I-Mac, Allen and Abilene. I assure you SLC has all the Plano attributes and more, with the exception of an unbelievable kicker.

[dragonfootballfan]

Does anybody have a reason other than, "Any given Friday/Saturday night....."?

[dragonsdaddy]

let's hypothetically say that slc wins out and doesn't beat kt. does that mean that when the inevitable questions arise this time next year, or whenever, the 03 game will still be the bellwether of antidragonians everywhere? and even if slc were to beat kt, i guess the many proud detractors would still have to defer to that blowout loss. oh well.

[WildcatFan]

The only problem is SLC Defense is not Allens and Plano will not hold the dragon O to a "few" scores. Have you seen the last 3 games? SLC is playing the best Offense they have played in a few years.

Once again my theory on your rational is the same as everyone elses' on this board.

We have seen this before... Have you seen us play, you haven't faced us, our Defense isn't Allen's yada yada yada and on and on and on.

Well I will give you the same rational back.

SLC-45 Allen 15
Plano-45 Allen 7

I believe you just got owned!

[dragonfootballfan]

Once again my theory on your rational is the same as everyone elses' on this board.

We have seen this before... Have you seen us play, you haven't faced us, our Defense isn't Allen's yada yada yada and on and on and on.

Well I will give you the same rational back.

SLC-45 Allen 15
Plano-45 Allen 7

I believe you just got owned!
So scores of common opponents are all that matters? Also in that game Allen was without their starting quarterback.

[dragonsdaddy]

Once again my theory on your rational is the same as everyone elses' on this board.

We have seen this before... Have you seen us play, you haven't faced us, our Defense isn't Allen's yada yada yada and on and on and on.

Well I will give you the same rational back.

SLC-45 Allen 15
Plano-45 Allen 7

I believe you just got owned!
i sure wish slc could finish games better. they seem to get all their points in the first half, and then the other teams come roaring back. slc has been outscored in the second half for the po's. these teams let slc get over confident with these 40+point leads, and then they strike. we've been inordinately lucky to have been able to hold them off so far.

[WildcatFan]

So scores of common opponents are all that matters? Also in that game Allen was without their starting quarterback.

No.

1. Read the post prior I was only giving ALLIN the same rational back.

2. We knocked out Allen's starting QB, that's what Champs are made of, and your Boy Mac El Roy will be feeling the same heat this weekend.

I beleive you have been owned as well!

[dragonfootballfan]

No.

1. Read the post prior I was only giving ALLIN the same rational back.

2. We knocked out Allen's starting QB, that's what Champs are made of, and your Boy Mac El Roy will be feeling the same heat this weekend.

I beleive you have been owned as well!
The objective of football now is to injure the opposing team's best player? I was showing that your rational is poor. I don't think anybody has gotten owned

[dragons08]

i sure wish slc could finish games better. they seem to get all their points in the first half, and then the other teams come roaring back. slc has been outscored in the second half for the po's. these teams let slc get over confident with these 40+point leads, and then they strike. we've been inordinately lucky to have been able to hold them off so far.
how many of those points have been score with back ups in though?

[Dargason]

i sure wish slc could finish games better. they seem to get all their points in the first half, and then the other teams come roaring back. slc has been outscored in the second half for the po's. these teams let slc get over confident with these 40+point leads, and then they strike. we've been inordinately lucky to have been able to hold them off so far.
Hehe... love the subtle sarcasm, ddaddy. Wasted on most of this crowd though.

[reed35]

No.

1. Read the post prior I was only giving ALLIN the same rational back.

2. We knocked out Allen's starting QB, that's what Champs are made of, and your Boy Mac El Roy will be feeling the same heat this weekend.

I beleive you have been owned as well!
and you are sounding like that guy from Wylie. Champs are not made of injuring other players. Bad class.

[WildcatFan]

The objective of football now is to injure the opposing team's best player? I was showing that your rational is poor. I don't think anybody has gotten owned

Nope once again what's in the water out there you seem to be a bit slow.

I am not condoning that Plano plays dirty and intentionally hurts other players, I mearly mean that sometimes those are the breaks that produces wins.

But football is a contact sport (in case you didn't know) and things happen starters get hurt. For example the nice hi/low block on our starting Def Linemen recieved in Midland last Sat.

But once again more meaningless fodder and rational by SLC.

Statment "Plano 45 Allen 7"

SLC response yeah but they didn't have the starting QB,,, yada yada yada and on and on and on!

[dragonfootballfan]

Nope once again what's in the water out there you seem to be a bit slow.

I am not condoning that Plano plays dirty and intentionally hurts other players, I mearly mean that sometimes those are the breaks that produces wins.

But football is a contact sport (in case you didn't know) and things happen starters get hurt. For example the nice hi/low block on our starting Def Linemen recieved in Midland last Sat.

But once again more meaningless fodder and rational by SLC.

Statment "Plano 45 Allen 7"

SLC response yeah but they didn't have the starting QB,,, yada yada yada and on and on and on!
You truly believe that plano will beat Carroll because they held Allen to seven less points than Carroll did?

[toonman]

You truly believe that plano will beat Carroll because they held Allen to seven less points than Carroll did?

I prefer SLC slaughtered Abilene 52-0 - Abilene beat Midland 31-20 and Plano beat Midland 20-7.

[chickenheart]

i was saying it would be a miracle in everyone elses eyesThis reminds me of the 80 Olympics. USA hockey vs. the Russians. It could be that kind of an atmosphere. If there is one thing I know about Plano. It's that they play all 4 quarters and our 4th quarter D has been extremely impressive. MIRACLES CAN HAPPEN.

[WildcatFan]

You truly believe that plano will beat Carroll because they held Allen to seven less points than Carroll did?

Once again until you read the complete strings and get the point I will not bother.

Is everyone that slow in SLC?

[RidgePride]

I prefer SLC slaughtered Abilene 52-0 - Abilene beat Midland 31-20 and Plano beat Midland 20-7.



Idiotic scoring comparison!!!

Means absolutely nothing.

SGP beat Trinity
IMac beat SGP
Trinity beat IMac

Happens all the time.

[dragonfootballfan]

Once again until you read the complete strings and get the point I will not bother.

Is everyone that slow in SLC?
I read the entire string and your rational does not make sense.

[AllenEagle06]

The objective in football is not to hurt other teams' players to benefit your own team. Plano only blew us out like they did because of offensive mistakes mainly made by the backup QB. One QB fumble led to a TD and another QB fumble was returned for a TD. There was also an opportunity for us to score but another QB fumble led to a turnover on downs. Plano would still probably had beaten us if Nathan was in, but it wouldn't of been a blowout.

During the SLC and Allen game all of our players were good and healthy except Dan Buckner who got hurt on like our first offensive play, but Nathan was playing and we were still blown out.

So yeah, I hate to see Plano's season end but it looks to be that way this week.

[WildcatFan]

The objective in football is not to hurt other teams' players to benefit your own team. Plano only blew us out like they did because of offensive mistakes mainly made by the backup QB. One QB fumble led to a TD and another QB fumble was returned for a TD. There was also an opportunity for us to score but another QB fumble led to a turnover on downs. Plano would still probably had beaten us if Nathan was in, but it wouldn't of been a blowout.

During the SLC and Allen game all of our players were good and healthy except Dan Buckner who got hurt on like our first offensive play, but Nathan was playing and we were still blown out.

So yeah, I hate to see Plano's season end but it looks to be that way this week.

Yep those are the breaks! thank you for not making too many excuses for your poor performance that night.

[BigFanSLC]

gosh how i CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!! until saturday night when all of you Plano fans are just reading these forums instead of talking noise.... good luck.

slc-35ish
plano-17 or less

[Butch Fifield]

gosh how i CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!! until saturday night when all of you Plano fans are just reading these forums instead of talking noise....

Plano fans are not the ones proclaiming they can not lose this game.

[dragons08]

the slc band is offically ready, we just got our Christmas Hats (elf hats i guess they are) passed out to us again, and are ready now! i belive the crew and cheerleaders get them as well!

:D

[WILDCAT27]

after the past few days of practice, i now strongly beleive plano has a great chance of winning. the team is extremely energized, focused, and determined to do whatever it takes to win.
i say Plano comes back from a 14 point deficit in the fourth quarter and scheffield kicks a 50+ yard field goal to win the game:)

[angustexas05]

Glad to hear it. Sounds like it will be a good game. Best of Luck.

[zippy]

Almost half say yes? Was Plano playing their A game against Midland last weekend? If so, I just dont see them getting close to SLC.

[Winston]

Well, I say Plano has a chance by virtue of strength in numbers. Last I checked on the UIL website, Plano had the 4th largest enrollment in the state behind Plano East, Converse Judson and La Joya, respectively. I believe if the proud people of Plano cannot beat SLC this year, next year they will assimilate them.:D

[dragonsdaddy]

Well, I say Plano has a chance by virtue of strength in numbers. Last I checked on the UIL website, Plano had the 4th largest enrollment in the state behind Plano East, Converse Judson and La Joya, respectively. I believe if the proud people of Plano cannot beat SLC this year, next year they will assimilate them.:D
i resemble that remark as vociferously and redundantly as i know how.

[Winston]

Lol