How Can Judson Beat Spring Westfield???

[Rocketman]

I feel they need to keep westfield's offense off the field to have a chance in this game.

[dwistheman]

Doesnt everyone know Judson has a snowball chance in he## to win this game. The UIL already has the name plate engraved and the rings sized.

Westfield is the greatest thing since sliced bread. There is no way that a poor little Judson team that finished the regular season 6-4 in one of the worst districts in the state has a chance to win.

Judson should be lucky to share the same field with Westfield.

Please Westfield take it easy on the Rockets.

[fbjones]

1)Schedule them in 2006, when their 14 starting seniors will be gone.
2) Score at least 30 points.
3) Suit up Lonny.
4)Play better than you did last year.
5)Get a beautiful girl to "distract" Pierre Beasley the night before the game.
6)Take a strong sleeping aid and dream about the great Judson victory.
7) Rename one of those region 4 patsies "Westfield".
8)Suit up Lonny's ego.
9)Just BELIEVE.
10)Imitate Tyler Lee.

[seansvranger]

judson can do it they can be the cinderella of football in 05

[Shoot2thrill]

Doesnt everyone know Judson has a snowball chance in he## to win this game. The UIL already has the name plate engraved and the rings sized.

Westfield is the greatest thing since sliced bread. There is no way that a poor little Judson team that finished the regular season 6-4 in one of the worst districts in the state has a chance to win.

Judson should be lucky to share the same field with Westfield.

Please Westfield take it easy on the Rockets.

Finally someone from Bexar county gets it. :eek: ;) :)

[TexasRed6x]

Don't play like NS did or you will get beat for sure. You have to do a better job of coaching in this one.

[TexasRed6x]

I really do not know how these slow undersized kids will do againt WF. Judson has little experience on the field most of the time and their schedule was one of the weakest played this year. Westfield might as well come down early and walk on the river get some good mexican food and settle in why even practice. I have heard from one of my buddies that one of Westfield players was quoted ina newspaper, or somewhere that they know Judson is terrible and that they think that Judson won't even get a first down. He also said that they did not mind coming to crappy town of San Antonio to give everyone a treat. I can't believe that he said that but I cant blame him at all on this one.

[reed35]

they can't beat SW

[TexasRed6x]

they can't beat SW

Nobody with the right mind say that they will, thanks for the input 35

[PurpleNation]

If all these Westfield jock riders really think Judson will just lay down will be in for a suprise. If im not mistaken Cy Fair almost beat SW and What makes you think Judson cant. If Judson lines up and plays football they will beat Westfield.

Judson 35

Westfield 28

Im going with Judson in a upset

[KT2000]

Unfortunately for Judson, Westfield got their wake up call last weekend and likely won't make the same mistake twice with the leadership they have on the coaching staff.

I believe the Rockets can stay in the game if they play their absolute best on defense and control the clock on offense. Judson's game plan on offense should be to keep Westfield's unit off the field and hopefully take advantage of scoring opportunities when they get them.

Westfield is very strong against the run, but can be beaten in the air. Cy Fair ran the spread. Judson really needs to attack downfield well to have anything sustained on offense. Westfield is just too fast and powerful on defense to be beaten by a completely ground oriented team in my opinion.

On offense, Westfield has more weapons than you can really account for on a given play. It takes a complete team effort to keep them under control.

[lonny23]

1)Schedule them in 2006, when their 14 starting seniors will be gone.
2) Score at least 30 points.
3) Suit up Lonny.
4)Play better than you did last year.
5)Get a beautiful girl to "distract" Pierre Beasley the night before the game.
6)Take a strong sleeping aid and dream about the great Judson victory.
7) Rename one of those region 4 patsies "Westfield".
8)Suit up Lonny's ego.
9)Just BELIEVE.
10)Imitate Tyler Lee.
You know, there is a method to my madness. I don't believe in laying down or quitting until the final whistle. I believe in fighting and pushing through. Those are things they teach in the Judson program and I don't want those guys to think for one minute that they can't beat Westfield. Before this year, the worst record Judson has ever carried into the semifinals was 10-2-1 and that was the only time they got to the semis with even 2 losses. Judson doesn't make the playoffs when they lose 4 games. They don't even win a playoff game when they go 7-3. This 6-4 team has gone through a lot, but I believe in them. They should hold their head high because they went into this year as a Top 10 team and didn't win as many as they hoped for, but they're right here in the semis like they belong. They can win these last 2 games and have nothing to fear. I know Westfield has had a great year and a lot of talent, but there's no reason for the Rockets to be afraid that they can't win this week, especially in San Antonio.

[bullrock]

This one can be dubbed "The Massacre in Craptown". Maybe we can at least make them smell crap while they're here. I have a feeling................

[Rocketman]

well my prediction is westfield will win the game 35 to 14 sorry rockets we just don't have the horses to match up with them maybe next year. I HOPE I'M WRONG THEN MY FELLOW ROCKET FANS CAN THROW ME OFF THE BUILDING.

[ruffshod]

If Judson opens up their attack offensively, they can have some success. But Westfield has so many weapons, it's hard to account for everyone.

[fbjones]

Don't play like NS did or you will get beat for sure. You have to do a better job of coaching in this one.

You probably have not seen Westfield. You'll find out.
It's going to be like last year all over again.
I am only judging Judson by this year. And this year if you were in region1,2, or 3 you would already be sitting at home.
In region 3 there were four undefeated teams that met in the first round.
I believe Pearland, Houston Lamar, Northshore, and Westfield all could have beaten Judson this year. Maybe not Lamar.

As for the coaching at Northshore. Those rings still look good on their fingers.
You probably have never seen them play either.

[TexasRed6x]

Unfortunately for Judson, Westfield got their wake up call last weekend and likely won't make the same mistake twice with the leadership they have on the coaching staff.

I believe the Rockets can stay in the game if they play their absolute best on defense and control the clock on offense. Judson's game plan on offense should be to keep Westfield's unit off the field and hopefully take advantage of scoring opportunities when they get them.

Westfield is very strong against the run, but can be beaten in the air. Cy Fair ran the spread. Judson really needs to attack downfield well to have anything sustained on offense. Westfield is just too fast and powerful on defense to be beaten by a completely ground oriented team in my opinion.

On offense, Westfield has more weapons than you can really account for on a given play. It takes a complete team effort to keep them under control.

NO offense KT but we know all about it, a perfect game a flawless offense it won't matter we are playing one of the best teams in america we might as well not show up. People forget this is Judson and they might not have the team to take it this year, we have what every other school wants that has never had one. Judson knows they are the underdog and we do not ned people from Houston to tell us what we already know. If we were curing cancer it would matter it just a game a 2 hour game.

[TexasRed6x]

You probably have not seen Westfield. You'll find out.
It's going to be like last year all over again.
I am only judging Judson by this year. And this year if you were in region1,2, or 3 you would already be sitting at home.
In region 3 there were four undefeated teams that met in the first round.
I believe Pearland, Houston Lamar, Northshore, and Westfield all could have beaten Judson this year. Maybe not Lamar.

As for the coaching at Northshore. Those rings still look good on their fingers.
You probably have never seen them play either.

At cthis point Jones could care less about both JUdosn and Ns how do like that.

[Slim-Rob]

You probably have not seen Westfield. You'll find out.
It's going to be like last year all over again.
I am only judging Judson by this year. And this year if you were in region1,2, or 3 you would already be sitting at home.
In region 3 there were four undefeated teams that met in the first round.
I believe Pearland, Houston Lamar, Northshore, and Westfield all could have beaten Judson this year. Maybe not Lamar.

As for the coaching at Northshore. Those rings still look good on their fingers.
You probably have never seen them play either.

We'll see on Saturday.

[gldneagles]

Unfortunately for Judson, Westfield got their wake up call last weekend and likely won't make the same mistake twice with the leadership they have on the coaching staff.

I believe the Rockets can stay in the game if they play their absolute best on defense and control the clock on offense. Judson's game plan on offense should be to keep Westfield's unit off the field and hopefully take advantage of scoring opportunities when they get them.

Westfield is very strong against the run, but can be beaten in the air. Cy Fair ran the spread. Judson really needs to attack downfield well to have anything sustained on offense. Westfield is just too fast and powerful on defense to be beaten by a completely ground oriented team in my opinion.

On offense, Westfield has more weapons than you can really account for on a given play. It takes a complete team effort to keep them under control.
kt2000.....i agree with you most of the time. this one i do not. fair stayed in this game because they had a running game that showed a big time o-line that got outside and inside and overcame the athletes of wf. the kids of cf stepped it up and caught wf by surprise. i do not think it will happen again.

wf in this one by 14 more points than last year.

[JRocketMan]

Here is why Judson will pull the upset and will not get rolled on as people think..Strength of Schedule..Do u realize that 3 of the 4 losses Judson had this year came from teams that are playing this weekend in the State Semi's. There is Cop Cove, SV and Madison. This rocket team is battle tested and ready for war, the worse thing happened and that was to let Judson get a second breathe and let them in the playoffs. This team is focused and very well coached. Judson pulls the major upset this weekend.

[gldneagles]

Here is why Judson will pull the upset and will not get rolled on as people think..Strength of Schedule..Do u realize that 3 of the 4 losses Judson had this year came from teams that are playing this weekend in the State Semi's. There is Cop Cove, SV and Madison. This rocket team is battle tested and ready for war, the worse thing happened and that was to let Judson get a second breathe and let them in the playoffs. This team is focused and very well coached. Judson pulls the major upset this weekend.
agreed.....very well coached. but. tested? ok, 3 of 4 are in the playoffs. and they lost!

[Mavs07]

Doesnt everyone know Judson has a snowball chance in he## to win this game. The UIL already has the name plate engraved and the rings sized.

Westfield is the greatest thing since sliced bread. There is no way that a poor little Judson team that finished the regular season 6-4 in one of the worst districts in the state has a chance to win.

Judson should be lucky to share the same field with Westfield.

Please Westfield take it easy on the Rockets.
saaay whaaat? worst district in the state? you might wanna check that again boss. westfield is good don't get me wrong but to just say that its going to be that easy for them give me a break. yea judson has had a "non judson year" but they have had alot of roster issues that they have had to overcome. not to mention some new coaches. they are a powerhouse year in and year out so watch 4 judson to play. GO J-ROK!!

[JRocketMan]

agreed.....very well coached. but. tested? ok, 3 of 4 are in the playoffs. and they lost!

Here is how a certain website predicts it
WEEK 3 PREDICTIONS, HOUSTON AREA

20-Sep CONVERSE JUDSON vs SPRING WESTFIELD = JUDSON

[gldneagles]

saaay whaaat? worst district in the state? you might wanna check that again boss. westfield is good don't get me wrong but to just say that its going to be that easy for them give me a break. yea judson has had a "non judson year" but they have had alot of roster issues that they have had to overcome. not to mention some new coaches. they are a powerhouse year in and year out so watch 4 judson to play. GO J-ROK!!
agreed.............judson has had a lot of good years. this ain't one. down year for r4. so what. wait til next year.

[RoughRiderDrummer]

26-5a is in no way the worst district in the state and i think everybody else on this board would agree with me. Also, if 26-5a was, how would it be that all 3 of its playoff reps are still standing? So just cause you dont like us, doesn't mean we are the worst. Well anyhow, sure Judson's record this year doesn't look so hot with a record of 6-4 in the regular season, but like already stated, look at who they lost to. Another thing is that Judson has been improving all year. They had to get used to a new offense which gave them some problems this year. Well anyways i say Judson over Westfield by 10.

[lonny23]

saaay whaaat? worst district in the state? you might wanna check that again boss. westfield is good don't get me wrong but to just say that its going to be that easy for them give me a break. yea judson has had a "non judson year" but they have had alot of roster issues that they have had to overcome. not to mention some new coaches. they are a powerhouse year in and year out so watch 4 judson to play. GO J-ROK!!
Look at his name. He's a Judson fan. We Judson fans have 3 schools of thought in our posting.

Some of us say we're not getting enough credit and are good.

Some say we are about to get rolled.

Some are being sarcastic and saying we should give up.

I know the 1st and 3rd group believe we can win and I'm not so sure the 2nd group doesn't think the same thing and wants to motivate the team.

[Crank_It]

Look at his name. He's a Judson fan. We Judson fans have 3 schools of thought in our posting.

Some of us say we're not getting enough credit and are good.

Some say we are about to get rolled.

Some are being sarcastic and saying we should give up.

I know the 1st and 3rd group believe we can win and I'm not so sure the 2nd group doesn't think the same thing and wants to motivate the team.

I'd say im #3, we might as well just let SW advance:rolleyes:. this why we play the game gentlemen, talk is cheap. I know the probabilty of Coju winning is slim but hey, its there and i've seen crazier things. Best of luck to both coju and sw, i hope its a dogfight till the end.

[lonny23]

Here is how a certain website predicts it
WEEK 3 PREDICTIONS, HOUSTON AREA

20-Sep CONVERSE JUDSON vs SPRING WESTFIELD = JUDSON
I get called a homer, but I have to be fair and honest. That's from 2002 when Westfield played at Judson in Week 3!:D

I say we win this week.

2002 Westfield 21 at Judson 28
2003 Judson 35 at Westfield 63
2004 Judson 14 at Westfield 28 (Astrodome)
2005 Westfield 21 at Judson 24 (Farris)

[TexasRed6x]

agreed.....very well coached. but. tested? ok, 3 of 4 are in the playoffs. and they lost!

Where are you from and have you won anythingh yet bud? You talk allot of stuff but what tean are you from and what have they won ?

[lonny23]

Where are you from and have you won anythingh yet bud? You talk allot of stuff but what tean are you from and what have they won ?
He's a fan of the Cy Falls Golden Eagles, but he'll be rooting for Katy next week because they'll be the only Houston team still around!:p

[gldneagles]

unfortunately judson will have no chance against wf. they do not have the athletes.

[TexasRed6x]

kt2000.....i agree with you most of the time. this one i do not. fair stayed in this game because they had a running game that showed a big time o-line that got outside and inside and overcame the athletes of wf. the kids of cf stepped it up and caught wf by surprise. i do not think it will happen again.

wf in this one by 14 more points than last year.

GLNEAGFLE do not know hat team you support but if it is Westfeild then fine, anything els tehn you can not realize what it takes to win a state championship so your voice does not count. period,.

[lonny23]

unfortunately judson will have no chance against wf. they do not have the athletes.
Judson has a lot of athletes. This isn't one of the Judson teams from yesteryear.

[KT2000]

I think everyone on the Judson defense runs a 4.7 or better except one of the DTs (Clark?).

WR Derrick Williams is probably the best athlete on offense unless there's someone else I don't know about.

[lonny23]

I think everyone on the Judson defense runs a 4.7 or better except one of the DTs (Clark?).

WR Derrick Williams is probably the best athlete on offense unless there's someone else I don't know about.
We're not going to tell you about those guys. We've been saving them for this week!;)

[gldneagles]

Look at his name. He's a Judson fan. We Judson fans have 3 schools of thought in our posting.

Some of us say we're not getting enough credit and are good.

Some say we are about to get rolled.

Some are being sarcastic and saying we should give up.

I know the 1st and 3rd group believe we can win and I'm not so sure the 2nd group doesn't think the same thing and wants to motivate the team.
what did he just say? i cut alot of slack and try to give everyone their just space.............but i have no idea what he was trying to say. anyone else?

[Crank_It]

what did he just say? i cut alot of slack and try to give everyone their just space.............but i have no idea what he was trying to say. anyone else?

its not ROCKET science, zing!..........eh, sorry

[gldneagles]

its not ROCKET science, zing!..........eh, sorry
you can not insult me. so not to worry.

[dwistheman]

Originally Posted by Mavs07
saaay whaaat? worst district in the state? you might wanna check that again boss. westfield is good don't get me wrong but to just say that its going to be that easy for them give me a break. yea judson has had a "non judson year" but they have had alot of roster issues that they have had to overcome. not to mention some new coaches. they are a powerhouse year in and year out so watch 4 judson to play. GO J-ROK!!


Look at his name. He's a Judson fan. We Judson fans have 3 schools of thought in our posting.

Some of us say we're not getting enough credit and are good.

Some say we are about to get rolled.

Some are being sarcastic and saying we should give up.

I know the 1st and 3rd group believe we can win and I'm not so sure the 2nd group doesn't think the same thing and wants to motivate the team.



Thanks for noting the SARCASM Lonny.

It looks like some of the less seasoned posters do not understand the concept!

[dwistheman]

I think everyone on the Judson defense runs a 4.7 or better except one of the DTs (Clark?).

WR Derrick Williams is probably the best athlete on offense unless there's someone else I don't know about.

No. No. No.

KT's got it all wrong. The Judson D is pitifully slow. How could kids so short and overweight be that fast?

We have zero athletes on either side of the ball.

Westfield should start making hotel reservations for state, because they are going to embarass poor little Converse Judson!

[Rerun]

Judson obviously has the talent.

Judson obviously has the heart.

They started off slow and did not really pick it up until half way thru district.

The Rockets will be just fine and will make Converse proud once again.

I do not see an easy game at all this week for Judson, but I do not see a losing game for them either.

Coach Rackley is not given enough credit.

The Judson players are not given enough credit.

The 2005 Judson Rockets are not given enough credit.

That will all change when Judson keeps pounding out wins and raises that trophy in a few weeks.

Judson Rockets, you have my blessing and the blessing of the rest of San Antonio and Region 4 to win Div. 1 State Title and show 'em once again why 26-5A is the nation's toughest district.

[ktchamp97]

No. No. No.

KT's got it all wrong. The Judson D is pitifully slow. How could kids so short and overweight be that fast?

We have zero athletes on either side of the ball.

Westfield should start making hotel reservations for state, because they are going to embarass poor little Converse Judson!

Funny!

I love how the Judson folks so willingly assume the underdog role.

The fact is, Judson has some serious speed. They were one point away from taking out one of the anointed "fastest teams in the state" on their home field earlier this year, so it's quite obvious that they have plenty of athletes.

Judson will be a very worthy opponent for Westfield...to suggest otherwise is foolish.

[fbjones]

Delusions of grandeur. By the end of next weekend all you San Antones will know about Westfield. I could understand your confidence if you had only lost one or two games. But you guys lost four. If Westfield scores first you have problems. I see it being something like 35-17 Westfield. Maybe a little closer if you guys can pass the ball. You are not going to believe the offensive weapons the Mustangs have. Seeing is believing.

[lonny23]

Delusions of grandeur. By the end of next weekend all you San Antones will know about Westfield. I could understand your confidence if you had only lost one or two games. But you guys lost four. If Westfield scores first you have problems. I see it being something like 35-17 Westfield. Maybe a little closer if you guys can pass the ball. You are not going to believe the offensive weapons the Mustangs have. Seeing is believing.
There's no grandeur involved. All you have to do is read what Judson fans have said throughout the year. We were beating Cove and Madison at halftime and tied with SV. We beat Pflugerville. We had a lot more injuries in those games than we have now. Somebody said more key people will be back this week. This team can play with anybody, including Westfield.

[nsmustang]

I was extremely surprised to see CY Fair staying in the game against WF. I thought WF would run over CF. That's 2 games WF has showed cracks in the armor. Do I think they will be beat? No, but I don't think they are unbeatable like I used to. WF has the D and lotsa firepower on O. I can't get over how this is such a repeat of last year except I see WF winning the title. Judson will have their work cut out and they are the underdog with nothing to lose and everything to gain.

[bullrock]

I think a low profile would be appropriate this week. No need to get a lot bulletin board material for the opposition. Judson will be fine, win or lose. They are starting to play like the teams of the past. They didn't always win, but they won enough and they never gave up.

[UT66]

Judson WILL beat Westfield.

[implacable44]

Delusions of grandeur. By the end of next weekend all you San Antones will know about Westfield. I could understand your confidence if you had only lost one or two games. But you guys lost four. If Westfield scores first you have problems. I see it being something like 35-17 Westfield. Maybe a little closer if you guys can pass the ball. You are not going to believe the offensive weapons the Mustangs have. Seeing is believing.

there are no delusion FB JONES _ only effort. I applaud the Rockets for their performance this year - they have acheived all this with a new offense and a new high school being built. HUGE transition year for the Rockets. As for Westfield - be careful of your own delusions - Judson lost to Westfield under similar conditions - when most felt Judson to be the far superior team -

Judson is the program you want to be

[bubbacoach]

I am not saying Judson will win, but Judson And Westfield have played 4 straight years this being the fifth. They are 2-2 against each other in these years. Westfield has won both games in Houston and Judson has won both games in San Antonio. I think Defensively Judson will hold up well against Westfield, I think it will be up to the offense to give Judson a chance. Judson had an interception and a punt returned for a touchdown last year against Westfield. They can not have that happen if they are going to stand a chance this year. I do not know how well Westfield travels on long trips? Does anyone know if they are coming on Saturday or staying the night Friday? If they are coming Friday they will more than likely not get a good nights sleep, sleeping in a motel? They will be out of routine, staying overnight. Anyone who has ever coached knows it is hard to get kids out of routine and expect them to come with the same mindset. If they come on Saturday, they will have to leave pretty early. Getting these kids out of bed, and having to sit on a bus for 3 hours plus is never good. Westfield having to travel will definetly help Judson, but not enough, it will be a better game than most people think. Westfield will take it in the end.

[bullrock]

I've stated this before. Setting on a bus for 3 hours is routine in Houston. I say there will be no drop-off because of travel unless they come on Friday. Judson is playing their best ball right now. That may not be good enough, we'll only know after the game, but you can bet they'll be playing at the end no matter what the score is. I hope WF brings a lot of fans with them. A good crowd will make it that much more intense. I didn't go to the game in Kingsville but the paper estimated over 10K? That would be a good crowd for Farris. Not sure what it looked like in Kingsville.

[PurpleNation]

Judson has been playing the best football the past 5 weeks in Texas. They play with alot of heart and if you look at their loses they are to some quality teams. Westfield has alot of talent but at this stage in the game I see no more blow outs. For Judson to win simply play defense and stuff the box make Beasly beat you with his average arm not his legs. Apply pressure every time Beasly drops back to pass stay home and respect the play action. I really can see Judson pulling off a win. The Rockets play with alot of heart and tradition. I read in a book some were there was a man named David who picked up 5 stones with an slingshot and slayed a giant by the name of Goliath. Look for this to be a physical 4 quarter football game with my upset pick of the Week Converse Judson over Westfield 21-14.

[fbjones]

I am not saying your players or coaches have delusions of grandeur. I'm saying that about certain Judson fans on this board. It's okay to be a homer, just don't try to represent yourself as objective. I have no affiliations with Westfield. But I have watched them play the last two years. I have also kept up with Judson on the highlight shows and on this board.
I witnessed the 96 semi vs. Northshore. I was impressed. Well coached and disciplined. I bet most of the San Antones have never seen Westfield and just repeat stereotypes that I read on this board all the time. Like athlete vs. program. Like playing smart vs. raw talent. Those are biased views. Believe me there are good programs out there that many of you have never seen. You are fixing to get a real close view of a good team, and a good program with great athletes. Yes you guys have a chance. But if Westfield plays their best your chance is pretty small.

[PurpleNation]

I am not saying your players or coaches have delusions of grandeur. I'm saying that about certain Judson fans on this board. It's okay to be a homer, just don't try to represent yourself as objective. I have no affiliations with Westfield. But I have watched them play the last two years. I have also kept up with Judson on the highlight shows and on this board.
I witnessed the 96 semi vs. Northshore. I was impressed. Well coached and disciplined. I bet most of the San Antones have never seen Westfield and just repeat stereotypes that I read on this board all the time. Like athlete vs. program. Like playing smart vs. raw talent. Those are biased views. Believe me there are good programs out there that many of you have never seen. You are fixing to get a real close view of a good team, and a good program with great athletes. Yes you guys have a chance. But if Westfield plays their best your chance is pretty small.

2003

Garland 19

Lufkin 10

1 and done

Lufkin had 11 sign to play college football that year 5 D1A sometimes you can throw that most talent out the window.

[implacable44]

I am not saying your players or coaches have delusions of grandeur. I'm saying that about certain Judson fans on this board. It's okay to be a homer, just don't try to represent yourself as objective. I have no affiliations with Westfield. But I have watched them play the last two years. I have also kept up with Judson on the highlight shows and on this board.
I witnessed the 96 semi vs. Northshore. I was impressed. Well coached and disciplined. I bet most of the San Antones have never seen Westfield and just repeat stereotypes that I read on this board all the time. Like athlete vs. program. Like playing smart vs. raw talent. Those are biased views. Believe me there are good programs out there that many of you have never seen. You are fixing to get a real close view of a good team, and a good program with great athletes. Yes you guys have a chance. But if Westfield plays their best your chance is pretty small.

what do you mean we have never seen ? we have played them a few times before. - check the books buddy! I am not doubting their team or their system - but I definitely am not doubting THE PROGRAM.

[fbjones]

Inplaccable . I know Lonny did not go to the game last year. Are you speaking for every Judson fan on the board? I would bet that the majority of the fans here have not seen Westfield in the last two years.
Did Judson make it to the finals last year? NO. Westfield did. And they have 14 starting seniors. I have been watching them for two years and they are better than Judson THIS YEAR. I am not dissing YOUR PROGRAM. But things change and great programs get started in other places. ASK Odessa Permian.
You guys can win, but it would be an upset.

[bullrock]

You need some coffee jones! I'll bet you every Judson fan on this board has seen West Field twice in the last 2 years. Do you think we all hatched this off-season?

[clemensbuff]

All I can say is GO ROCKETS GO! Prove all the doubters wrong this weekend! Everyone knows that the Rockets don't have the talent man for man to match up with Westfield, but they do have something that Westfields doesn't, they are Converse Judson and they will outplay when outmanned!

GET ANOTHER ONE FOR THE TROPHY CASE IN 05'!!!!

[fbjones]

I know for a fact Lonny did not go last year. He said so. I am not sure when you guys hatched, but by reading some of the posts, I would have to say I know more about Judson than most of you San Antones know about Westfield. Do you think Westlake was a "great team" in 2003? They had four losses going into the semis. Just like you. They are a well respected PROGRAM. Just like you. They were playing a very good Houston team that had never won state. Just like you. Westlake got hammered. Just like you?
I think there are a lot of similarities between 2003 Northshore vs Westlake and this year's Westfield vs Judson. We will see who is right.

[stangsfan]

In order to beat Westfield this year I beleive Judson would need to be better than last years Judson team given the Westfield squad is basically the same.
In what way is this years Judson team better than last years team? I have yet to hear more than 'we do have home town advantage this year' and 'we have momentum'.

[jrdaniel]

You compare Westlake v Northshore to Judson v Westfield? I compare Judson v Westfield to Judson v every other year we have played Region 3.

The one thing about this matchup that stands out to me is that it is in San Antonio, and that it is at a lesser known stadium, and at 2pm. Westfield fans traveled horribly the time they came to Converse, although that was before they were proven to be on the upswing. I don't think things such as crowds and emotion figure into pro football, and only slightly in college, but I think it has a LOT to do in a 15-18 year olds mind. This being a 2pm game 3 hours away is also a factor that should hurt Westfield. It will definately break their routine up, and the coaches have their work cut out for them.

[stangsfan]

You compare Westlake v Northshore to Judson v Westfield? I compare Judson v Westfield to Judson v every other year we have played Region 3.

The one thing about this matchup that stands out to me is that it is in San Antonio, and that it is at a lesser known stadium, and at 2pm. Westfield fans traveled horribly the time they came to Converse, although that was before they were proven to be on the upswing. I don't think things such as crowds and emotion figure into pro football, and only slightly in college, but I think it has a LOT to do in a 15-18 year olds mind. This being a 2pm game 3 hours away is also a factor that should hurt Westfield. It will definately break their routine up, and the coaches have their work cut out for them.

How many times has Judson played at Farris? I heard they have also not ever played there. Again home town advantage only.

[jrdaniel]

They played a scrimmage there this year, but I think that is all. It has been open for 2-3 years so not much history with the stadium. I don't believe in things like home field advantage when it concerns the actual field - with so many real-turf nowadays they are all pretty much the same. What I was talking about was the home town advantage, like you said. Judson will have the stands full of red, but how many Westfield fans will get up at 8-9am on Saturday to get ready to travel to northwest San Antonio and find a stadium they have never been to? For a Judson program that feeds off intensity from everything - coaches, players, fans, etc. that will be a huge boost.

[TexasRed6x]

In order to beat Westfield this year I beleive Judson would need to be better than last years Judson team given the Westfield squad is basically the same.
In what way is this years Judson team better than last years team? I have yet to hear more than 'we do have home town advantage this year' and 'we have momentum'.

We do not have Ka Ka, this Westfield team will destroy Judson, Lufkin, SLC and Cove That is the way everyone see it. I be going to the game with nothing to lose on this one. Judson is slower, and lighter than last year, brand new coaches, a new school to compete with, so the Semis is more than anyone could of hoped for. At least we should not hear from a bunch of Houston fans after the game telling us WF is #1, we beat you again, we are the best football team of all times ect ect ect. WE all know the outcome, so make the reservation for next week. It like the players of WF are saying This game will be a laugh and SA will get to see the Best team in the state period.

[bullrock]

I don't think Judson is any worse than they were last year. They are different just like WF is. I for one know it is going to be a tough game to win, but it is one I think I will go and watch anyway. Maybe Lonny wasn't in Houston the last two years, but I'll bet most of the other Judson posters were. As for home/town field advantage goes, I don't think it will have any bearing on the outcome of this game. I think someone hit the nail on the head in another thread. We can usually win these games because most of the teams we play from Reg III are very undisciplined. This is not the case with WF if they are anything like they were last year. I was very impressed at how well coached they were. They were not cocky and showed a lot of class in the win. I can't say the same about the previous meeting in Spring, but I believe Meekins has done a great job with this program.

[stangsfan]

We do not have Ka Ka, this Westfield team will destroy Judson, Lufkin, SLC and Cove That is the way everyone see it. I be going to the game with nothing to lose on this one. Judson is slower, and lighter than last year, brand new coaches, a new school to compete with, so the Semis is more than anyone could of hoped for. At least we should not hear from a bunch of Houston fans after the game telling us WF is #1, we beat you again, we are the best football team of all times ect ect ect. WE all know the outcome, so make the reservation for next week. It like the players of WF are saying This game will be a laugh and SA will get to see the Best team in the state period.

I think your way overselling the argument, I can assure you that no one at Westfield is taking this match lightly, especially after Cy Fair.

[implacable44]

We do not have Ka Ka, this Westfield team will destroy Judson, Lufkin, SLC and Cove That is the way everyone see it. I be going to the game with nothing to lose on this one. Judson is slower, and lighter than last year, brand new coaches, a new school to compete with, so the Semis is more than anyone could of hoped for. At least we should not hear from a bunch of Houston fans after the game telling us WF is #1, we beat you again, we are the best football team of all times ect ect ect. WE all know the outcome, so make the reservation for next week. It like the players of WF are saying This game will be a laugh and SA will get to see the Best team in the state period.

the best team in the state is in Southlake, Texas not Spring or Houston or San Antonio - at least until they get beat.

Judson can beat Westfield and the way they will do it is on the field with effort, execution and discipline.

[Rocketman]

This year's Judson team is not as good, this year's offense is not as good and the defense is not as good either so I feel it will be a long day for Judson. Westfield will have to make alot of mistakes for Judson to win this game. I hope Judson wins but I also do not live a dream world either so I have to call it like I see it, Westfield 35 Judson 14......................

[eagleike]

Look, I have seen both of these teams play numerous games over the years. Not Judson in 2005 but enough over the years to know that the Rockets will play their "A" game this weekend. Also, I think that travelling will affect the Mustangs. They actually played at home last week!!

That being said, Judson must pass to beat Westfield. They are just too good at stopping the run against most teams. If Judson has a massive o-line and can run right at the Mustangs they could pull it off but from what I can see the Judson o-line is not massive at all. So we are back to the passing game. Judson's qb must play lights out this week and not make any mistakes.

I believe Westfield will score, not at will, but enough to make Judson force the ball upfield. That will be the key. Can Judson keep from turning the ball over or will the qb lead them to the endzone?

We will all know on Saturday.

Westfield wins.

[ruffshod]

If Judson doesn't have a passing game, it will be a long afternoon for the Rockets. Westfield's run defense is top notched.

[SVite]

Delusions of grandeur. By the end of next weekend all you San Antones will know about Westfield. I could understand your confidence if you had only lost one or two games. But you guys lost four. If Westfield scores first you have problems. I see it being something like 35-17 Westfield. Maybe a little closer if you guys can pass the ball. You are not going to believe the offensive weapons the Mustangs have. Seeing is believing.

Kinda like the hype on Clearlake last year,SV had no chance to stop that running machine.They had all the athelets,SV just had a middle linebacker named Joe pawelek,and they laughed on this same message board,how he wasnt good enough to stop CL.Well bottom line Joe was all over the field,and stole the show.

I`ve seen this Judson defense many times,and they have the horses on defense to keep it low.And if they can keep it low,they will have a shot.Not to mention stripping the ball.On paper Westfield should win,but match ups can be a totally different story,once the game starts to unravel,all kinds of things can happen.Judson has allready moved one mountain,they need that same mustard seed faith to move this one also.

[ruffshod]

Kinda like the hype on Clearlake last year,SV had no chance to stop that running machine.They had all the athelets,SV just had a middle linebacker named Joe pawelek,and they laughed on this same message board,how he wasnt good enough to stop CL.Well bottom line Joe was all over the field,and stole the show.

I`ve seen this Judson defense many times,and they have the horses on defense to keep it low.And if they can keep it low,they will have a shot.Not to mention stripping the ball.On paper Westfield should win,but match ups can be a totally different story,once the game starts to unravel,all kinds of things can happen.Judson has allready moved one mountain,they need that same mustard seed faith to move this one also.

Who told you Clear Lake had a bunch of athletes? They lied to you:eek:

[JRocketMan]

Judson does have a passing game, but dont use it too much..But it will be shown this weekend.

[Favpack]

No diss to Judson - but, sorry, gang, SW had their scare - it could get ugly this week. Too much speed.

[Slim-Rob]

Delusions of grandeur. By the end of next weekend all you San Antones will know about Westfield. I could understand your confidence if you had only lost one or two games. But you guys lost four. If Westfield scores first you have problems. I see it being something like 35-17 Westfield. Maybe a little closer if you guys can pass the ball. You are not going to believe the offensive weapons the Mustangs have. Seeing is believing.

You have to be the most retarted person on this message board. "I could understand your confidence if you had only lost one or two games. But you guys lost four." Just because a team has 4 losses does not make them a bad team. DO I HAVE TO DO THE RUN DOWN ON WHO WE LOST TO? Here you go:

(#7) Copperas Cove (13-0) 19 vs Converse Judson (9-4, at time offense was struggling, bad kicker) 20


(#11) Spring Branch Smithson Valley (12-1) 21 vs Converse Judson (9-4, offense still struggling) 7


San Antonio Churchill 14 vs Converse Judson (9-4, no offense in this game) 0


(#24) San Antonio Madison 23 vs Converse Judson (9-4, offense struggling, numerous injuries) 14


SA Madison, SB Smithson Valley, and Copperas Cove are still in playoffs. Churchill also beat Smithson Valley, their only loss. Rankings are from 5Atexasfootball.com. Judson has gone the whole season with Offensive line injuries, because of this some defensive linemen were moved over, weakening the DL. There have been many DB and DL injuries. Anybody wonder where DL Rodney Flowers is? Hurt at practice a few weeks ago. DB Dubose and WR Oscar Lee were dismissed from the team for certain reasons.

Judson played at Farris in their Scrimage vs Marshall. Its a nice stadium.

Oh, and by the way, Its San Antonians, not San Antones

[JRocketMan]

Flowers was injured but suited up last game..Could be back for this one.

[Slim-Rob]

Flowers was injured but suited up last game..Could be back for this one.

Not likely, he is still in one of those walking boots.

[JRocketMan]

That boot could have been 3 weeks ago..Choose to leave it on..But getting the bus to Harligen It didnt look like it was on.

[fbjones]

You have to be the most retarted person on this message board. "I could understand your confidence if you had only lost one or two games. But you guys lost four." Just because a team has 4 losses does not make them a bad team. DO I HAVE TO DO THE RUN DOWN ON WHO WE LOST TO? Here you go:

(#7) Copperas Cove (13-0) 19 vs Converse Judson (9-4, at time offense was struggling, bad kicker) 20


(#11) Spring Branch Smithson Valley (12-1) 21 vs Converse Judson (9-4, offense still struggling) 7


San Antonio Churchill 14 vs Converse Judson (9-4, no offense in this game) 0


(#24) San Antonio Madison 23 vs Converse Judson (9-4, offense struggling, numerous injuries) 14


SA Madison, SB Smithson Valley, and Copperas Cove are still in playoffs. Churchill also beat Smithson Valley, their only loss. Rankings are from 5Atexasfootball.com. Judson has gone the whole season with Offensive line injuries, because of this some defensive linemen were moved over, weakening the DL. There have been many DB and DL injuries. Anybody wonder where DL Rodney Flowers is? Hurt at practice a few weeks ago. DB Dubose and WR Oscar Lee were dismissed from the team for certain reasons.

Judson played at Farris in their Scrimage vs Marshall. Its a nice stadium.

Oh, and by the way, Its San Antonians, not San Antones
You should know excuses and stats are for losers.
You homers make me sick.
When and if Northshore loses four games in one year, I will not think they are the best team in state.
You guys really make me laugh; living in your own world of past Rocket glory.
I want you guys to come here after you lose saturday for that big slice of CROW. I hope Westfield beats you like Northshore beat Westlake in 2003.
You are LUCKY to be in the semis. But your luck is about to run out.
WHUP That A$$$ Westfield.

[Slim-Rob]

You should know excuses and stats are for losers.
You homers make me sick.
When and if Northshore loses four games in one year, I will not think they are the best team in state.
You guys really make me laugh; living in your own world of past Rocket glory.
I want you guys to come here after you lose saturday for that big slice of CROW. I hope Westfield beats you like Northshore beat Westlake in 2003.
You are LUCKY to be in the semis. But your luck is about to run out.
WHUP That A$$$ Westfield.

I never said we were the best team. No where near it. But you are acting like Judson has no chance. No one from Judson is predicting a 30 point win, everyone is saying it will probably be a close game. I have already eaten crow a few times this year (Cove, SV, Madison), and I really could care less if I have to eat more.

And JRocketMan, Flowers got his cast removed a couple of weeks ago. I am in the training room with him everyday, he will most likely not play, even if we go to state.

[JudsonStud19]

Judson can an will beat westfeild!!!!!!!!

Judson has finally got everything running on all cylinders... Injury free... and a winning attitude... Not to mention.... SAN ANTONIO... That is right... we aint got to go to the Astrodome... So Westfeild beware... Rocket Pride is back on track... Hope A&M Con... is ready for us in State....

[fbjones]

I have been a citizen of the great state of Texas longer than you have been alive. I know it is San Antonians. I guess you don't listen to much pop music or rap... they make up their own words;ones you would never find in old mister Websters. I made up San Antones. I think it sounds good. Sue me.

It might be a close game if you guys get some turnovers.
But if Westfield plays their best, you are in for a beating.
Did you go to last years game? Your team was better than it is this year and could not get it done.
I believe the majority of fans who follow high school football OUTSIDE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO think Westfield is a two touchdown favorite.

[Slim-Rob]

I have been a citizen of the great state of Texas longer than you have been alive. I know it is San Antonians. I guess you don't listen to much pop music or rap... they make up their own words;ones you would never find in old mister Websters. I made up San Antones. I think it sounds good. Sue me.

It might be a close game if you guys get some turnovers.
But if Westfield plays their best, you are in for a beating.
Did you go to last years game? Your team was better than it is this year and could not get it done.
I believe the majority of fans who follow high school football OUTSIDE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO think Westfield is a two touchdown favorite.

Yes i was at last years game. That was the worst game Judson played all season, and Westfield won by 14. Judson's defense this year is better than last years, there is much more speed and they work together better. Westfield could be a 50 point favorite and still lose. Just look at last weeks game.

[LoneRocket]

I have been a citizen of the great state of Texas longer than you have been alive. I know it is San Antonians. I guess you don't listen to much pop music or rap... they make up their own words;ones you would never find in old mister Websters. I made up San Antones. I think it sounds good. Sue me.

It might be a close game if you guys get some turnovers.
But if Westfield plays their best, you are in for a beating.
Did you go to last years game? Your team was better than it is this year and could not get it done.
I believe the majority of fans who follow high school football OUTSIDE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO think Westfield is a two touchdown favorite.
Most of us ROCKETS are from OUTSIDE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.

[Slim-Rob]

I live in San Antonio, about 10 feet from the City of Kirby. Judson is in Converse. Many people from Judson live in Wincrest, Converse, Kirby, Universal City, and a few other small towns.

[fbjones]

OKay outside the greater San Antonio metropolitan area. That should cover it.

[zzz]

Westfield should start making hotel reservations for state, because they are going to embarass poor little Converse Judson!

Anybody who thinks Westfield is taking Judson lightly is only fooling themselves.

Yes i was at last years game. That was the worst game Judson played all season, and Westfield won by 14. Judson's defense this year is better than last years, there is much more speed and they work together better. Westfield could be a 50 point favorite and still lose. Just look at last weeks game.

That would make sense if Westfield lost last week.

[TrojanHorse03]

Look at his name. He's a Judson fan. We Judson fans have 3 schools of thought in our posting.

Some of us say we're not getting enough credit and are good.

Some say we are about to get rolled.

Some are being sarcastic and saying we should give up.

I know the 1st and 3rd group believe we can win and I'm not so sure the 2nd group doesn't think the same thing and wants to motivate the team.

Surprisingly :D , this is one of the most perceptive posts on this particular thread. Everyone's telling Judson they can't beat Spring Westfield, but I guess this 'ole dawg is a 'lil hard headed ;) .....

[TrojanHorse03]

Judson obviously has the talent.

Judson obviously has the heart.

They started off slow and did not really pick it up until half way thru district.

The Rockets will be just fine and will make Converse proud once again.

I do not see an easy game at all this week for Judson, but I do not see a losing game for them either.

Coach Rackley is not given enough credit.

The Judson players are not given enough credit.

The 2005 Judson Rockets are not given enough credit.

That will all change when Judson keeps pounding out wins and raises that trophy in a few weeks.

Judson Rockets, you have my blessing and the blessing of the rest of San Antonio and Region 4 to win Div. 1 State Title and show 'em once again why 26-5A is the nation's toughest district.

In the words of Lee Corso... NOT SO FAST MY FRIEND!!!! :p

[Rerun]

I live in San Antonio, about 10 feet from the City of Kirby. Judson is in Converse. Many people from Judson live in Wincrest, Converse, Kirby, Universal City, and a few other small towns.

Don't tell me you live in Candlewood or Sunrise :rolleyes:

Judson is capable of beating any team.

Let's look at the facts.

They came out of a tough district.

They came from behind.

They started slow and keep gaining steam.

They have the support of all the area.

They have one of the state's best head coaches.

They have tradition and pride.

They know how to win big games.

Converse Judson Rockets can do this.

Go Rockets!

[lonny23]

I am not saying Judson will win, but Judson And Westfield have played 4 straight years this being the fifth. They are 2-2 against each other in these years. Westfield has won both games in Houston and Judson has won both games in San Antonio. I think Defensively Judson will hold up well against Westfield, I think it will be up to the offense to give Judson a chance. Judson had an interception and a punt returned for a touchdown last year against Westfield. They can not have that happen if they are going to stand a chance this year. I do not know how well Westfield travels on long trips? Does anyone know if they are coming on Saturday or staying the night Friday? If they are coming Friday they will more than likely not get a good nights sleep, sleeping in a motel? They will be out of routine, staying overnight. Anyone who has ever coached knows it is hard to get kids out of routine and expect them to come with the same mindset. If they come on Saturday, they will have to leave pretty early. Getting these kids out of bed, and having to sit on a bus for 3 hours plus is never good. Westfield having to travel will definetly help Judson, but not enough, it will be a better game than most people think. Westfield will take it in the end.
This is the 4th game and 2nd in San Antonio. Westfield is 2-1 with both wins in their back yard.

[lonny23]

I've stated this before. Setting on a bus for 3 hours is routine in Houston. I say there will be no drop-off because of travel unless they come on Friday. Judson is playing their best ball right now. That may not be good enough, we'll only know after the game, but you can bet they'll be playing at the end no matter what the score is. I hope WF brings a lot of fans with them. A good crowd will make it that much more intense. I didn't go to the game in Kingsville but the paper estimated over 10K? That would be a good crowd for Farris. Not sure what it looked like in Kingsville.
I still think the travel will make a difference. Houston has bad traffic, but it's still not the same as going almost 200 miles.

[lonny23]

Judson has been playing the best football the past 5 weeks in Texas. They play with alot of heart and if you look at their loses they are to some quality teams. Westfield has alot of talent but at this stage in the game I see no more blow outs. For Judson to win simply play defense and stuff the box make Beasly beat you with his average arm not his legs. Apply pressure every time Beasly drops back to pass stay home and respect the play action. I really can see Judson pulling off a win. The Rockets play with alot of heart and tradition. I read in a book some were there was a man named David who picked up 5 stones with an slingshot and slayed a giant by the name of Goliath. Look for this to be a physical 4 quarter football game with my upset pick of the Week Converse Judson over Westfield 21-14.
I think you're about right. The Mustangs haven't taken off like I thought they might do. This game will probably hinge on mistakes and scoring without the offense doing it. That was the case last year.

[lonny23]

I am not saying your players or coaches have delusions of grandeur. I'm saying that about certain Judson fans on this board. It's okay to be a homer, just don't try to represent yourself as objective. I have no affiliations with Westfield. But I have watched them play the last two years. I have also kept up with Judson on the highlight shows and on this board.
I witnessed the 96 semi vs. Northshore. I was impressed. Well coached and disciplined. I bet most of the San Antones have never seen Westfield and just repeat stereotypes that I read on this board all the time. Like athlete vs. program. Like playing smart vs. raw talent. Those are biased views. Believe me there are good programs out there that many of you have never seen. You are fixing to get a real close view of a good team, and a good program with great athletes. Yes you guys have a chance. But if Westfield plays their best your chance is pretty small.
Pretty much all of the Judson fans have seen Westfield play because this is the 4th straight year between the 2. Most of us haven't seen them this year.

[lonny23]

Inplaccable . I know Lonny did not go to the game last year. Are you speaking for every Judson fan on the board? I would bet that the majority of the fans here have not seen Westfield in the last two years.
Did Judson make it to the finals last year? NO. Westfield did. And they have 14 starting seniors. I have been watching them for two years and they are better than Judson THIS YEAR. I am not dissing YOUR PROGRAM. But things change and great programs get started in other places. ASK Odessa Permian.
You guys can win, but it would be an upset.
I didn't go to the semifinal game, but I did go to the title game last year. Believe me, I wanted to go to the other game, too.

[lonny23]

I know for a fact Lonny did not go last year. He said so. I am not sure when you guys hatched, but by reading some of the posts, I would have to say I know more about Judson than most of you San Antones know about Westfield. Do you think Westlake was a "great team" in 2003? They had four losses going into the semis. Just like you. They are a well respected PROGRAM. Just like you. They were playing a very good Houston team that had never won state. Just like you. Westlake got hammered. Just like you?
I think there are a lot of similarities between 2003 Northshore vs Westlake and this year's Westfield vs Judson. We will see who is right.
If you can remember that I said I didn't go to the semifinal game, you should also remember all those times I said I went to the title game. Don't give us a slanted story without all the facts.

2003 Westlake is not 2005 Judson and 2003 North Shore is not 2005 Westfield. That North Shore team was playing better all year and into the playoffs. Westlake was destined to lose to Madison until 'ol boy got hurt and they were in a fog for the last few minutes of the game.

Here are the numbers for those seasons. North Shore was at least 10 points better than Westfield and Judson has been playing better, more consistent ball than Westlake.
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2003SchedWkly5ADist25.html
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2005SchedWkly5ADist26.html

[lonny23]

In order to beat Westfield this year I beleive Judson would need to be better than last years Judson team given the Westfield squad is basically the same.
In what way is this years Judson team better than last years team? I have yet to hear more than 'we do have home town advantage this year' and 'we have momentum'.
I'll post the numbers for both teams for both years. Tell me how you're better coming into the semis than last year. You'll notice that your rating kept rising last year and it's gone down some this year.

http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2005SchedWkly5ADist26.html
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2005SchedWkly5ADist22.html

http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2004SchedWkly5ADist26.html
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2004SchedWkly5ADist22.html

[lonny23]

Look, I have seen both of these teams play numerous games over the years. Not Judson in 2005 but enough over the years to know that the Rockets will play their "A" game this weekend. Also, I think that travelling will affect the Mustangs. They actually played at home last week!!

That being said, Judson must pass to beat Westfield. They are just too good at stopping the run against most teams. If Judson has a massive o-line and can run right at the Mustangs they could pull it off but from what I can see the Judson o-line is not massive at all. So we are back to the passing game. Judson's qb must play lights out this week and not make any mistakes.

I believe Westfield will score, not at will, but enough to make Judson force the ball upfield. That will be the key. Can Judson keep from turning the ball over or will the qb lead them to the endzone?

We will all know on Saturday.

Westfield wins.
Judson has a big OL.

[lonny23]

No diss to Judson - but, sorry, gang, SW had their scare - it could get ugly this week. Too much speed.
I disagree, but won't go in depth and will say my say later on.

[lonny23]

Surprisingly :D , this is one of the most perceptive posts on this particular thread. Everyone's telling Judson they can't beat Spring Westfield, but I guess this 'ole dawg is a 'lil hard headed ;) .....
I'm just waiting for Saturday and I'm letting loose! When Judson wins, I'm bringing some more ammo to the fire!

[lonny23]

Don't tell me you live in Candlewood or Sunrise :rolleyes:

Judson is capable of beating any team.

Let's look at the facts.

They came out of a tough district.

They came from behind.

They started slow and keep gaining steam.

They have the support of all the area.

They have one of the state's best head coaches.

They have tradition and pride.

They know how to win big games.

Converse Judson Rockets can do this.

Go Rockets!
Uh, oh. Here we go again!:D

Is is time to talk about housing valuations again?:p

[Rocketman]

Judson better keep westfield's offense off the field to have a chance , I mean long drives taking alot of time off the clock, if Judson does not do this it will be a long day for Judson. I saw Westfield play this year and have seen Judson play and Westfield is loaded with talent , size and speed. I hope Judson wins this game GO ROCKETS GO...................

[GARLAND99]

I feel they need to keep westfield's offense off the field to have a chance in this game.

I don't think it matters if Judson can beat Westfield. Euless Trinity and the big Tongans are going to win the whole deal in D1. They are incredible. Huge lineman, really good backs. Sorry Westfield, I just think that Trinity is that good.

[LoneRocket]

I don't think it matters if Judson can beat Westfield. Euless Trinity and the big Tongans are going to win the whole deal in D1. They are incredible. Huge lineman, really good backs. Sorry Westfield, I just think that Trinity is that good.
Yeah, but I think Trinity wants to play us in a bad way. Please do a HAKA for us.

[dada]

I don't think it matters if Judson can beat Westfield. Euless Trinity and the big Tongans are going to win the whole deal in D1. They are incredible. Huge lineman, really good backs. Sorry Westfield, I just think that Trinity is that good.
So the team that beat them is that much better then...The difference between good teams and great teams is that even on their worse day....the great teams are able to pull it out. Westfield's WORSE game of the seasin was last week....The Judson game will be close. Wish I could be there.

[JRocketMan]

This is why Judson Wins............................
Before the season started, this pick would have been a no-brainer, but Judson's offensive struggles and their occasional lapses in concentration led to an un-Judson-like regular season. The Rocket defense, however, was stout all season long and, this time of year, great defense is what separates the men from the boys. Judson also has the luxury of having 10 returning starters from last year's group that won the region. Judson is, by far, the most battle-tested team in the region and came up 1 point short of defeating the #7 Copperas Cove Bulldawgs on their home field.

[lonny23]

This is why Judson Wins............................
Before the season started, this pick would have been a no-brainer, but Judson's offensive struggles and their occasional lapses in concentration led to an un-Judson-like regular season. The Rocket defense, however, was stout all season long and, this time of year, great defense is what separates the men from the boys. Judson also has the luxury of having 10 returning starters from last year's group that won the region. Judson is, by far, the most battle-tested team in the region and came up 1 point short of defeating the #7 Copperas Cove Bulldawgs on their home field.
I agree Judson wins, but I bet you get the same rebuttal you got for saying the same thing in another thread!;)

[KT2000]

Westfield 35-14. There you have it. :)

[TexasRed6x]

Westfield 35-14. There you have it. :)


I would expect that from a Region 3 guy, but I have to agree I am a huge Judson fan and have it around 40-18 Westfield.

[lonny23]

Westfield 35-14. There you have it. :)
It was bad enough you were wrong once, now it's TWICE!:eek: :D

[HOOKEM]

I don't think it matters if Judson can beat Westfield. Euless Trinity and the big Tongans are going to win the whole deal in D1. They are incredible. Huge lineman, really good backs. Sorry Westfield, I just think that Trinity is that good.


Judson ownssssss trinity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What was it 52-0 last time you played in a state championship game against Jrock? Nightmares of Jerod Douglas juking trinity out of their shoes all day long.

[cyfallsbooster]

I'll post the numbers for both teams for both years. Tell me how you're better coming into the semis than last year. You'll notice that your rating kept rising last year and it's gone down some this year.

http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2005SchedWkly5ADist26.html
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2005SchedWkly5ADist22.html

http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2004SchedWkly5ADist26.html
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2004SchedWkly5ADist22.html
lonny, i think stangsfan is from northshore.

shhhhhh! i hear something! i think it might be those pesky westfield fans lurking about again.:eek:

[lonny23]

lonny, i think stangsfan is from northshore.

shhhhhh! i hear something! i think it might be those pesky westfield fans lurking about again.:eek:
That very well can be true. I just wanted to say that the roles are somewhat reversed for the game this year compared to last year.

[westfieldfan23]

All I can say is GO ROCKETS GO! Prove all the doubters wrong this weekend! Everyone knows that the Rockets don't have the talent man for man to match up with Westfield, but they do have something that Westfields doesn't, they are Converse Judson and they will outplay when outmanned!

GET ANOTHER ONE FOR THE TROPHY CASE IN 05'!!!!

It's funny how all you judson fans think that just because kids are in the judson program they are automatically inclined to have more heart and desire on the field. Well see on Sat.

[cyfallsbooster]

That very well can be true. I just wanted to say that the roles are somewhat reversed for the game this year compared to last year.
i am probably mistaken, but in saying the roles are reversed, are you saying last year they were elected the underdogs and this year it is judson? or i guess it could be home filed advantage (did not think of that one first).

[Converse Judson]

Judson ownssssss trinity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What was it 52-0 last time you played in a state championship game against Jrock? Nightmares of Jerod Douglas juking trinity out of their shoes all day long.


Please....don't ever compare 2005 Judson with 1992 Judson ever again.

[Crank_It]

It's funny how all you judson fans think that just because kids are in the judson program they are automatically inclined to have more heart and desire on the field. Well see on Sat.

well......they are, and.....we WILL see;)

[lonny23]

i am probably mistaken, but in saying the roles are reversed, are you saying last year they were elected the underdogs and this year it is judson? or i guess it could be home filed advantage (did not think of that one first).
The venue has changed, the favorite/underdog roles have been reversed, and the nature of the team's seasons has changed during the playoffs.

Home field is worth something, but it doesn't completely reverse a game.

Both teams were real good last year, but more people favored Judson in spite of what Houston people said. Judson is getting ignored this year.

Judson is better in the playoffs than they were for most of the season. Westfield is not playing better in the playoffs this year.

When you add it all up, this game will be pretty good.

[lonny23]

Please....don't ever compare 2005 Judson with 1992 Judson ever again.
I have to agree.

[lonny23]

It's funny how all you judson fans think that just because kids are in the judson program they are automatically inclined to have more heart and desire on the field. Well see on Sat.
Playing for Judson by nature means you're going to have heart. They aren't the only team who has heart, though.

[ruffshod]

Playing for Judson by nature means you're going to have heart. They aren't the only team who has heart, though.

Give 'em hell lonny!;)

[lonny23]

Give 'em hell lonny!;)
I always do. Just think, I'd probably have 13K posts if I really wanted to get people's goats and argue!:D

[berkner]

prey

[lonny23]

prey
They don't need to. God is already fond of the letter "J"!:D

[berkner]

j is a pretty letter

[lonny23]

j is a pretty letter
My daughters are Joy and Joanna.

[stangsfan]

prey

At first I thought you misspelled 'pray' but then maybe you didn't!

[bullrock]

I wouldn't say WF is not playing as good in the post season. Wouldn't it be fair to say they are playing better competition?

[JRocketMan]

Here is why Judson wins..1) SW is taking Judson very lightly and here are the reasons for the 4 losses and were still here. Taken form the SA Express Today............................

Instead, Perez was out indefinitely and Judson was without up to 13 starters because of injuries or disciplinary reasons.

Quick Question...If SW was down 13 starters, do u think they really would be here right now or undefeated..I hope SW isnt thinking this is a bump in the road to a title, but more like a mountain to move otherwise it will be a very long day and night back to H-Town.

[theloneranger]

Man I like yall Judson guys you guy got pride!!!!!

GO RANGERS
GO ROCKETS
Sorry Madison its not your week:D

[ruffshod]

I wouldn't say WF is not playing as good in the post season. Wouldn't it be fair to say they are playing better competition?

That's a fair statement.

[ruffshod]

I always do. Just think, I'd probably have 13K posts if I really wanted to get people's goats and argue!:D

Perhaps. I wouldn't bet against that.

[stangsfan]

Here is why Judson wins..1) SW is taking Judson very lightly and here are the reasons for the 4 losses and were still here. Taken form the SA Express Today............................

..I hope SW isnt thinking this is a bump in the road to a title, but more like a mountain to move otherwise it will be a very long day and night back to H-Town.

Rocket - I assure you Westfield is NOT taking Judson lightly, Meekins will make sure of that! Both teams will be ready for a great match and I for one can't wait for kickoff.

[CNV J-Rock]

J-Rock can win, but it'll be a battle. On paper we should get smoked! But every year we're in the playoffs we are supposedly going to get smoked by Region III. With that being said, this Westfield team is legit. Size, speed, and experience all in one. This year's Judson team are survivors, they somehow managed to get into the playoffs with up to 13 starters out for one reason or another. This particular game I feel will come down to a few big plays, and this deep into the playoffs every game is a toss up.

I've been reading some posts for the past few days and a few people are quite objective and realistic. But I read some dumb@ss post about how Judson wouldn't do so well in RIII or RI. Now, in the past 16 or so years Judson has been to the State game 8 times and has won 6.

By doing some simple math that means Judson plays for the State Crown every 2 years roughly. That would make us 6-2 in those games. If i'm not mistaken we have to beat a RIII team to even make the State game, and then beat a RI or RII team to claim the State Chip. That's the best teams from RIII and RI/RII. Looks like Judson' is right on schedule.

I believe RIII is last when it comes to Titles and apperances since the 80's to now, and RI is first follow by RIV the so called "weakest region". In 95' Judson and Roosevelt won State and those schools are down the street from each other.

My point is that the Northeastern side of San Antonio should have it's own classification. For example, when comparing The Greater Antonio area to where-ever, this should not include the Northeast and SV.

Let me explain the success we enjoy here...For one the area is quite diverse. Roughly 1/3 black, 1/3 hispanic, 1/3 anglo. Secondly, a very large Military community, so there are people from everywhere, Even Randolph high school does well in 2A, which is across the street.

So when you claim SA can't compete with Hou or Dallas, check the stats, respect the facts, and STOP HATIN' chumps!

[JRocketMan]

All I have to say to CNV J-Rock is, this is probably one of the best posts I have read leading up to Saturdays game and once again Thanks for the clarification..Go Rockets and dont look at records were here again and it will be a war.

[Slim-Rob]

I've been reading some posts for the past few days and a few people are quite objective and realistic. But I read some dumb@ss post about how Judson wouldn't do so well in RIII or RI. Now, in the past 16 or so years Judson has been to the State game 8 times and has won 6.


Actually, in the past 16 years Judson has been 6 times and won 5. 16 years ago was 1989, so that rules out the win in 83 and the * in 88. So in the past 16 years, Judson is 4-3 at state with wins in 92, 93, 95, and 02 and losses in 90, 96, 98. In the past 22 years, Judson has been to the Finals 9 times, and won 6*. That is still very good though. I went to the Semi-Final loss in 94, the Finals win in 95, the Finals loss in 96, the finals loss in 98, and the finals win in 02, along with all the other games from 94-96.

Still a great post though.

[lonny23]

I wouldn't say WF is not playing as good in the post season. Wouldn't it be fair to say they are playing better competition?
What I said was perfectly legit. They played the same quality of teams last year in the playoffs and did better. I'm not going to say they don't have the capability to take it to another level, but it looks like they're coasting.

I would also ask you to consider the scores of last year's games leading up to and including Judson and then look at the scores this year. We played terrible, but were still closer than North Shore. We know what North Shore did this year and I say we have better talent than they do.

[maverick523]

If Spring Westfield forfeits the game, then Judson will win. If Spring Westfield commits say seven turnovers, then Judson will win.

[lonny23]

If Spring Westfield forfeits the game, then Judson will win. If Spring Westfield commits say seven turnovers, then Judson will win.
Judson will win the game.

[maverick523]

Judson will win the game.

I guess you're sayin' Spring WF will turn the ball over seven times?

[JRocketMan]

Lonny I totally agree Judson will win..Ive been watching the pass and run plays all week..They are very good but nothing spectacular..Honestly SW can be beaten at there own game and if you dont know what Im talking about, u have to watch the CY game. But I believe this Judson team in the post season is much better and stronger than that CY team.

[lonny23]

I guess you're sayin' Spring WF will turn the ball over seven times?
No, they won't turn it over that much. Judson doesn't need them to do that because they will get some stops to hold the scoring down.

[lonny23]

Lonny I totally agree Judson will win..Ive been watching the pass and run plays all week..They are very good but nothing spectacular..Honestly SW can be beaten at there own game and if you dont know what Im talking about, u have to watch the CY game. But I believe this Judson team in the post season is much better and stronger than that CY team.
This Judson team is better than North Shore, too. These 3 TD picks over Judson are crazy. If they can lose by 1 in Cove, they sure enough can keep it closer than 21 in San Antonio.

[JRocketMan]

Lonny they sure can hold the offense. Judson's Defense has been stout all year. Like you said they lost to Cove, at Cove by 1 pt and that came off a Hail Mary in the last seconds. And to who ever put the post that Judson's Defense got shredded last game for 150 yards wasnt at the game. The score was 24-0 at half..By then Rackley put in a majority of the 2nd and 3rd string. thats why they scored 15, and actually Harligen fumbled on the 1 yd line, but I quess to be gracious the ref's gave them 6, it would have been a pretty long trip back to the valley after a shutout. Judson was in no threat of losing..As long as Judson's Offense produces something they can win.

[JRocketMan]

Oh yeah, for the two that will run the riverwalk, it should be about 80 on Saturday so u wont freeze your &^%* off.. The river walk is pretty long so have fun running..Lonny I need an extra battery for the camcorder and the video needs to be posted here.

[lonny24]

There's no grandeur involved. All you have to do is read what Judson fans have said throughout the year. We were beating Cove and Madison at halftime and tied with SV. We beat Pflugerville. We had a lot more injuries in those games than we have now. Somebody said more key people will be back this week. This team can play with anybody, including Westfield.
Its a good thing that halftime score's count!! Nice One!

[lonny24]

Lonny they sure can hold the offense. Judson's Defense has been stout all year. Like you said they lost to Cove, at Cove by 1 pt and that came off a Hail Mary in the last seconds. And to who ever put the post that Judson's Defense got shredded last game for 150 yards wasnt at the game. The score was 24-0 at half..By then Rackley put in a majority of the 2nd and 3rd string. thats why they scored 15, and actually Harligen fumbled on the 1 yd line, but I quess to be gracious the ref's gave them 6, it would have been a pretty long trip back to the valley after a shutout. Judson was in no threat of losing..As long as Judson's Offense produces something they can win.
Actually Cove drove down at the end and the game winning pass was only 20 somthing yards. Not a hail-mary.

[eingedikid]

Let me explain the success we enjoy here...For one the area is quite diverse. Roughly 1/3 black, 1/3 hispanic, 1/3 anglo. Secondly, a very large Military community, so there are people from everywhere, Even Randolph high school does well in 2A, which is across the street.


This is also another reason why Cove and the Killeen teams have consistently been in a position to do damage. I knew that Killeen was definitely impacted positively by Ft. Hood, but I've been increasingly appreciative of how all those back gates into and out of Ft. Hood (wherever they are) means that places such as Cove also are part of the military mix. Indeed, driving through the neghborhood near the stadium back on Sept. 2, , I don't think it was my imagination I saw several cars parked in the driveway (ie, they definitely belonged to the residents) that had the DOD stickers in the top center of the windshields. Even if they were for numerous retired rather than active military, I could see that there was deinitely an impact. In many ways, the area kind of reminded me of what the Judson area look like in the mid to late 1970's and very early 80's.

Overall, another factor that makes the Centex and I-35 corridor area so successful overall in a positive way is that it is "diverse," and most of the so-called "minorities" are ones that have been in for some time---or have recently moved into---the middle and upper middle class. Put the military equation into it, and it makes for a well-integrated, cohesive community for the most part. Take the military equation out of this, and this also describes the Westfield and North Shore communities fairly well, also, at least from what I've been able to see, and partially explains their recent success as well. The military can be a great "equalizer" and "integrator," but successful personal economic development, authentic human develpment, an "ownership society" or whatever you want to call it can be a great way of promoting peace and harmony as well:
"Development is the new name for peace"---Pope Paul VI in Populorum Progressio, element 76.

I thoroughly enjoyed the visit to Cove in spite of the loss, and I've also enjoyed (except for some of the scores) our meetings with Westfield these past few years. I've felt like I've been among friends and neighbors, and I can't say this for some of the the other communities we've (Judson) met or been to over the years. Last year for WF's visit to the Alamodome I chose to sit on the WF side for the game with Tyler Lee, and I felt right at home with the WF crowd, and truly enjoyed the chance to meet and speak with (no matter how briefly) the WF people during the game. I almost felt like a "Mustang for a day." Obviously I'm hoping I won't get an opportunity to do so following tomorrow's game, but if it happens it'll be relatively easy--all things considered---to do so next week. Meanwhile, however, there's still Rocket mission in search of a succesful ending.....

[lonny23]

This is also another reason why Cove and the Killeen teams have consistently been in a position to do damage. I knew that Killeen was definitely impacted positively by Ft. Hood, but I've been increasingly appreciative of how all those back gates into and out of Ft. Hood (wherever they are) means that places such as Cove also are part of the military mix. Indeed, driving through the neghborhood near the stadium back on Sept. 2, , I don't think it was my imagination I saw several cars parked in the driveway (ie, they definitely belonged to the residents) that had the DOD stickers in the top center of the windshields. Even if they were for numerous retired rather than active military, I could see that there was deinitely an impact. In many ways, the area kind of reminded me of what the Judson area look like in the mid to late 1970's and very early 80's.

Overall, another factor that makes the Centex and I-35 corridor area so successful overall in a positive way is that it is "diverse," and most of the so-called "minorities" are ones that have been for some time, or have recently moved into, the middle and upper middle class. Put the military equation into it, and it makes for a well-integrated, cohesive community for the most part. Take the military equation out of this, and this also describes the Westfield and North Shore communities fairly well, also, at least from what I've been able to see, and partially explains their recent success as well. The military can be a great "equalizer" and "integrator," but successful personal economic development, authentic human develpment, an "ownership society" or whatever you want to call it can be a great way of promoting peace and harmony as well:
"Development is the new name for peace"---Pope Paul VI in Populorum Progressio, element 76.

I thoroughly enjoyed the visit to Cove in spite of the loss, and I've also enjoyed (except for some of the scores) our meetings with Westfield these past few years. I've felt like I've been among friends and neighbors, and I can't say this for some of the the other communities we've (Judson) met or been to over the years. Last year for WF's visit to the Alamodome I chose to sit on the WF side for the game with Tyler Lee, and I felt right at home with the WF crowd, and truly enjoyed the chance to meet and speak with (no matter how briefly) the WF people during the game. I almost felt like a "Mustang for a day." Obviously I'm hoping I won't get an opportunity to do so following tomorrow's game, but if it happens it'll be relatively easy--all things considered---to do so next week. Meanwhile, however, there's still Rocket mission in search of a succesful ending.....
Hey, I sat on the Westfield side, too. You are very correct about the economic status of DoD personnel.

[JRocketMan]

Actually Cove drove down at the end and the game winning pass was only 20 somthing yards. Not a hail-mary.

Lonny your probably right..When I was watching in the stands and looking at the scoreclock and watching the QB at the same time..All I saw was him toss and the catch was great, caught on his toes at the back of the endzone..But never the less Judson is fired up right now and have no doubt they can win, they know it will be a battle, but the Defense is ready..SW beware of the DLine but beware of Captain Insano on the Dline..That kid is a brute..

[TexasRed6x]

Lonny they sure can hold the offense. Judson's Defense has been stout all year. Like you said they lost to Cove, at Cove by 1 pt and that came off a Hail Mary in the last seconds. And to who ever put the post that Judson's Defense got shredded last game for 150 yards wasnt at the game. The score was 24-0 at half..By then Rackley put in a majority of the 2nd and 3rd string. thats why they scored 15, and actually Harligen fumbled on the 1 yd line, but I quess to be gracious the ref's gave them 6, it would have been a pretty long trip back to the valley after a shutout. Judson was in no threat of losing..As long as Judson's Offense produces something they can win.

Hey JRocketMan, I was at the game last week, please look at the stats of the QB running the football and please tell me what kind of yardage he piled up. I am sorry as true fans that you cannot accept that this team is not and I repeat is not as good as last years team end of story, Westfield is much better than the team we played last year. This will be a rout, count on it. It does not mean I am not loyal, it just means that I see the different between average and very good. I had predicted the score as 40-18, I have now change my mind WF 55- Judson 10. A true fan like it or not will always tell you when someone is better, I could say on here o how Judson will smash them and run over them, it would be a big lie. If Judson was given 2 months to prepare the outcome would be the same.

[JRocketMan]

Hey JRocketMan, I was at the game last week, please look at the stats of the QB running the football and please tell me what kind of yardage he piled up. I am sorry as true fans that you cannot accept that this team is not and I repeat is not as good as last years team end of story, Westfield is much better than the team we played last year. This will be a rout, count on it. It does not mean I am not loyal, it just means that I see the different between average and very good. I had predicted the score as 40-18, I have now change my mind WF 55- Judson 10. A true fan like it or not will always tell you when someone is better, I could say on here o how Judson will smash them and run over them, it would be a big lie. If Judson was given 2 months to prepare the outcome would be the same.

Like I said to whoever said the QB shredded the defense...Here it is......

They did so by holding Harlingen to 213 yards rushing on 49 carries — many of which came in the game's late stages — and 59 yards passing. The Cardinals didn't complete their first pass until midway through the third quarter, and hit on only 6 of 17 attempts for the game.

I have also seen the stats of the last two SW games and have seen the yards the opponents have also piled up..Your point is exactly what?

Im glad you think it will be a route..Hey Mr_Lucci after Judson wins I think we found another...LOL
Also its not always the better teams that win but the most prepared teams and the teams that are prepared to fight..See, its like the Lakers vs Detriot Pistons series and of course everyone thought it would be a route for the Lakers and what happened. A bunch of little or unnamed people got in that a!@#@. You might be a little confused but who said Judson was better than SW or SW is better than Judson. Judson is stronger than most people think, like yourself and Judson wins 24-21

[Rocketman05]

TexasRed6X how in the hell do you say Judson had one of the weakest schedules this year? We are the only District with all three teams still in the playoffs, and the one non-district game we lost to Copperas Cove, and they are still in the playoffs, and undefeated. If you wanna talk about easy schedules, look at Westfield’s, who is in their district? The only game they played all year was against NS. They almost got beat by an OK Cy Fair team. I don’t care about people saying Judson will lose, we will find that out Saturday. But if you say we had a weak schedule you are crazy.
Judson 35
Westfield 28

Peace,
RocketMan05

[JRocketMan]

TexasRed6X how in the hell do you say Judson had one of the weakest schedules this year? We are the only District with all three teams still in the playoffs, and the one non-district game we lost to Copperas Cove, and they are still in the playoffs, and undefeated. If you wanna talk about easy schedules, look at Westfield’s, who is in their district? The only game they played all year was against NS. They almost got beat by an OK Cy Fair team. I don’t care about people saying Judson will lose, we will find that out Saturday. But if you say we had a weak schedule you are crazy.
Judson 35
Westfield 28

Peace,
RocketMan05

Wisely stated.

[eingedikid]

Two scenarios:
Judson 28 WF 21 (OT) but WF jumps out to 14-0 before Judson gets a single First Down.

WF 14 Judson 0

Either way, WF gets 400 yards to Judson's 200. Total of 5-10 turnovers for both teams either scenario. Question is, can Judson convert on the WF TO's? And, can Judson convert on good return yardage on kickoffs, punts or INT's?

[Rocketman05]

eingedikid
5-10 turnover
you are an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!
There wont be that many TO's combined

Peace
RocketMan05

[JRocketMan]

[QUOTE=eingedikid]Two scenarios:
Judson 28 WF 21 (OT) but WF jumps out to 14-0 before Judson gets a single First Down.

WF 14 Judson 0

Either way, WF gets 400 yards to Judson's 200. Total of 5-10 turnovers for both teams either scenario. Question is, can Judson convert on the WF TO's? And, can Judson convert on good return yardage on kickoffs, punts or INT's?[/QUOte

If any of these teams go up 14-0 on each other there going to win..This one will probably be more in the lines of SW vs CY a back and forth shootout, but field postion and penalities will be key..I dont see too many turnovers..

[stangsfan]

Two scenarios:
Total of 5-10 turnovers for both teams either scenario. Question is, can Judson convert on the WF TO's? And, can Judson convert on good return yardage on kickoffs, punts or INT's?

For all 11 games of this season Westfield has lost a total of 7 fumbles, 2 in one game only against Shore. I only recall one of Beasley's passes being intercepted but the stats show 2. That's 2 for the entire season.

Where do you dream up all this turnover stuff?

[TexasRed6x]

TexasRed6X how in the hell do you say Judson had one of the weakest schedules this year? We are the only District with all three teams still in the playoffs, and the one non-district game we lost to Copperas Cove, and they are still in the playoffs, and undefeated. If you wanna talk about easy schedules, look at Westfield’s, who is in their district? The only game they played all year was against NS. They almost got beat by an OK Cy Fair team. I don’t care about people saying Judson will lose, we will find that out Saturday. But if you say we had a weak schedule you are crazy.
Judson 35
Westfield 28

Peace,
RocketMan05

Rocketman05 and Jrocket, please tell me where I ever said that Judson had a weak schedule, .... I didn't never would. I stated the facts like them are not, I did not get a reply for Jrocketman on how many yards the QB from Harlingen got last week and believe me they were not in the late stages ofthe game. Rocket05 please do not ever come on here and make things up, yes I said it would be a route, you think they will win, we will see that why we both have our opinion, but I never said nor would I ever say that Judson played a weak schedule. I have been around for years and have alway said that No body around San Antonio wants to play them.

[dada]

For all 11 games of this season Westfield has lost a total of 7 fumbles, 2 in one game only against Shore. I only recall one of Beasley's passes being intercepted but the stats show 2. That's 2 for the entire season.

Where do you dream up all this turnover stuff?
He was intercepted Twice....the first coming in the playoff game against Lamar. Like I said earlier....if you make mistakes..Westfield wil make you play. Their offense haven't been stopped all year. They only scored 35 on Cy-Fair because the bobcats held on to the ball. You're gonna have to outscore this team.

[bullrock]

Maybe we can outscore them. I think we're averaging around 22 points this year.

[stangsfan]

He was intercepted Twice....the first coming in the playoff game against Lamar. Like I said earlier....if you make mistakes..Westfield wil make you play. Their offense haven't been stopped all year. They only scored 35 on Cy-Fair because the bobcats held on to the ball. You're gonna have to outscore this team.

Was the second int on a pass to the end zone in the Cy Fair game?

What are the Converse stats? Maybe that's were all the predicted turnovers are coming from.

[dada]

Was the second int on a pass to the end zone in the Cy Fair game?

What are the Converse stats? Maybe that's were all the predicted turnovers are coming from.
Those were the two interceptions....as a matter of fact the one against Lamar was in the endzone also. I don't know where these turnover comments are coming from.

[dada]

Maybe we can outscore them. I think we're averaging around 22 points this year.
Westfield is averaging 41 this year and giving up an average of 10. They are suspect to the long ball.....and not because of a week secondary. I think they get relaxed and look for the big hit. Etta, #20......CB...is a REALLY physical corner for his size.

[stangsfan]

Maybe we can outscore them. I think we're averaging around 22 points this year.

There's an idea!!! Westfield's avg. 41.5 points per game and allowed 10.3 points per game. Good luck!

[dada]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/fbh/3497560.html

[JRocketMan]

Rocketman05 and Jrocket, please tell me where I ever said that Judson had a weak schedule, .... I didn't never would. I stated the facts like them are not, I did not get a reply for Jrocketman on how many yards the QB from Harlingen got last week and believe me they were not in the late stages ofthe game. Rocket05 please do not ever come on here and make things up, yes I said it would be a route, you think they will win, we will see that why we both have our opinion, but I never said nor would I ever say that Judson played a weak schedule. I have been around for years and have alway said that No body around San Antonio wants to play them.

what are u talking about..nobody from SA wants to play them..Are u joking..They are bunch of kids playing a bunch of kids...What is this college vs high school..Trust me any team in the "265" would play them and we have no fear..Matter of fact why dont u give me the answer on the QB from Harlingen and if u felt he shredded the Dfense, what game were you watching and why did they only score 15 which came in 2nd half. So I guess he shredded the Defense and got where? It surely wasnt the end zone..I really doubt you were there.

[JRocketMan]

Ok..here we go with averages again..Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, they average 10 pts against on D..But the past two games havent showed that. They average 40 some odd points on Offense but against who.

[dada]

Ok..here we go with averages again..Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, they average 10 pts against on D..But the past two games havent showed that. They average 40 some odd points on Offense but against who.
They KEY average is one team is ranked #2 in the State with no losses, while the other backed into the playoffs with 4, about to face the same team that ended their undefeated season last year...I like those averages:)

[theloneranger]

With a little FAITH.......;)

[JRocketMan]

If I dont back Judson who will. Judson wins 24-21..ends all averages

[stangsfan]

Ok..here we go with averages again..Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, they average 10 pts against on D..But the past two games havent showed that. They average 40 some odd points on Offense but against who.

Good point! Let's break it down...Westfield had 7 opponents make the playoffs; Cy Falls, Cy Fair, Memorial, West Brook, Humble and Lamar - of those seven the stats are:
Westfield scoring avg. 35.4 pts per game with 13.4 allowed
Total fumbles lost were 6 and the 2 ints were in the playoffs but as noted both were in the endzone and only eliminated another WF score.

I'm still waiting for the Judson stats?

[DiamondJ2]

Westfield is good. Judson will have to play with the intensity they showed for the Reagan game and improve their overall game. As I've stated before, on paper SW should win this game, but on paper Ike should have beaten Judson 4 times as well as Stratford and Alief Elsik. The difference between Ike & Elsik teams is the discipline of the SW players by the coaching staff, which was obvious last year. Again, the game still must be played to determine who advances to the next round.

I did find it amusing about old tradition vs. new tradition from Lynn Michaels. I believe the ultimate to tradition is more than making or surviving in playoffs. It's winning more than one state title.

[eingedikid]

eingedikid
5-10 turnover
you are an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!
There wont be that many TO's combined

Peace
RocketMan05
There can be a first for everything (this season). I've seen some games involving Judson where both teams combined for these many
TO's (and I did mean to mention earlier that those 5-10 TO's are combined TO's between both teams). There were some classic, defensive fights to the death by both Judson and various opposing teams in the 1980's. Just ask the 1984 squad---or Madison or Churchill from that same approximate period of time.

[eingedikid]

If any of these teams go up 14-0 on each other there going to win.. but field postion and penalities will be key..I dont see too many turnovers..
Judson can get back into the game by returning the kick for a score after going down 14-0. So maybe it won't happen, but don't tell me that it can't happen.

[JRocketMan]

Good point! Let's break it down...Westfield had 7 opponents make the playoffs; Cy Falls, Cy Fair, Memorial, West Brook, Humble and Lamar - of those seven the stats are:
Westfield scoring avg. 35.4 pts per game with 13.4 allowed
Total fumbles lost were 6 and the 2 ints were in the playoffs but as noted both were in the endzone and only eliminated another WF score.

I'm still waiting for the Judson stats?

Ok..out of all 7 that made the playoffs, majority lost in Round 1 or 2. I think the only team still living is Cy Falls which will get crushed by Katy...
Judson---4 losses on the season and 3 are still playing. Cop Cove, SV and Madison..See its not always about averages. If Judson decided to go with a So So schedule, Judson could also have averages out of the roof and a killer record. Play more teams like North Shore and Cy Fair, then we'll see what the averages look like on both sides of the ball. If you check other sites and see the hardest district this year was 26-5A, but also if you check strength of schedule Judson had the 2nd hardest in the state. 2pm Saturday, Farris Stadium, San Antonio..We'll see u there.

[Slim-Rob]

Good point! Let's break it down...Westfield had 7 opponents make the playoffs; Cy Falls, Cy Fair, Memorial, West Brook, Humble and Lamar - of those seven the stats are:
Westfield scoring avg. 35.4 pts per game with 13.4 allowed
Total fumbles lost were 6 and the 2 ints were in the playoffs but as noted both were in the endzone and only eliminated another WF score.

I'm still waiting for the Judson stats?

I have recounted and recounted and recounted and you only named 6 teams. And how could 7 make it anyways when you play 3 non district and 7 district games. Only 3 can go per district and Westfield was one of them. Then there are the 3 non district games. THATS 5. You didn't play Lamar until the playoffs, you didn't play Cy Fair until the playoffs, so thats only 4 teams that you played in the regular season that made the playoffs.
Westfield Scoring avg. 37.5 pts per game with 10 allowed in those 4 games. (All of those teams, except for Cy Falls, have been eliminated.)

GET IT RIGHT BEFORE YOU POST.

Judson had 5 Opponents make the playoffs. All 3 preseason, Laredo Nixon, Copperas Cove, and Pflugerville. Then there is Smithson Valley and Madison. Smithson Valley and Madison play each other tomorrow, and Cove plays Lufkin tonight.
Judson Scoring avg. 25 pts per game with 18 allowed in those 5 games.(Only Pflugerville and Laredo Nixon eliminated.

I don't put much on these averages but you said "I'm still waiting for the Judson stats?," So I gave you them and fixed yours.

[JRocketMan]

Judson can get back into the game by returning the kick for a score after going down 14-0. So maybe it won't happen, but don't tell me that it can't happen.

Nobody said it cant happen, but this time of year thats a huge amount to overcome..I dont really know about other teams and what happened in their playoff games but once again Im not sure if any team in this playoff race came back to win their games down by 2 TD's..I still say Judson grinds it out 24-21

[JRocketMan]

I have recounted and recounted and recounted and you only named 6 teams. And how could 7 make it anyways when you play 3 non district and 7 district games. Only 3 can go per district and Westfield was one of them. Then there are the 3 non district games. THATS 5. You didn't play Lamar until the playoffs, you didn't play Cy Fair until the playoffs, so thats only 4 teams that you played in the regular season that made the playoffs.
Westfield Scoring avg. 37.5 pts per game with 10 allowed in those 4 games. (All of those teams, except for Cy Falls, have been eliminated.)

GET IT RIGHT BEFORE YOU POST.

Judson had 5 Opponents make the playoffs. All 3 preseason, Laredo Nixon, Copperas Cove, and Pflugerville. Then there is Smithson Valley and Madison. Smithson Valley and Madison play each other tomorrow, and Cove plays Lufkin tonight.
Judson Scoring avg. 25 pts per game with 18 allowed in those 5 games.(Only Pflugerville and Laredo Nixon eliminated.

I don't put much on these averages but you said "I'm still waiting for the Judson stats?," So I gave you them and fixed yours.

Rocket TRN I can always count on you to have my back...

[Slim-Rob]

Rocket TRN I can always count on you to have my back...

I read his post and thought to myself, how can 7 opponents make the playoffs. That only works if your in a 6 team district. But I knew Westfield was in an 8 team district so I had to check that out.

[lonny23]

eingedikid
5-10 turnover
you are an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!
There wont be that many TO's combined

Peace
RocketMan05
Hey, don't call him an idiot. You might disagree with what he said, but he's a fan just like you and well-regarded around here.

[lonny23]

Rocketman05 and Jrocket, please tell me where I ever said that Judson had a weak schedule, .... I didn't never would. I stated the facts like them are not, I did not get a reply for Jrocketman on how many yards the QB from Harlingen got last week and believe me they were not in the late stages ofthe game. Rocket05 please do not ever come on here and make things up, yes I said it would be a route, you think they will win, we will see that why we both have our opinion, but I never said nor would I ever say that Judson played a weak schedule. I have been around for years and have alway said that No body around San Antonio wants to play them.
I was listening on the radio and heard Harlingen make a few drives into Judson territory in the 1st half. They cut out the postgame show and I didn't hear the stats. I forgot to go over to KLUP to listen to the stats.

[lonny23]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/fbh/3497560.html
I like those kind of articles. It's great for when you lose!:D

[Rocketman05]

i really do not know how these slow undersized kids will do againt WF. Judson has little experience on the field most of the time and their schedule was one of the weakest played this year. Westfield might as well come down early and walk on the river get some good mexican food and settle in why even practice. I have heard from one of my buddies that one of Westfield players was quoted ina newspaper, or somewhere that they know Judson is terrible and that they think that Judson won't even get a first down. He also said that they did not mind coming to crappy town of San Antonio to give everyone a treat. I can't believe that he said that but I cant blame him at all on this one.
Right there is where you said thier schedule was weak. They play in the best district in the state of Texas. So if that doesnt mean thier schedule was weak tell me what that means.

Peace
Rocketman05

Rocketman05-1
TexasRed6X-0

[JRocketMan]

I was listening on the radio and heard Harlingen make a few drives into Judson territory in the 1st half. They cut out the postgame show and I didn't hear the stats. I forgot to go over to KLUP to listen to the stats.

Lonny they did make some drives and I dont expect a team to hold any team to 10 rushing yards a half either. My response was really directed to who ever said our defense got shredded..To me how does a teams defense get shredded and hold them to zero at the half and tack on 24 points which was started by our defense picking off the QB's pass..So what did he shred? I could admit they got shredded if the score was 24-21 at half or something like that. Lonny we both know that Judson has a damn good chance of winning this game. But I like the way these Stangs fans think and if this the same way the team thinks they will have a long day. It looks like the clock is clocking..Lonny we need a countdown thread till kick off..Who can make that happen

[lonny23]

Lonny they did make some drives and I dont expect a team to hold any team to 10 rushing yards a half either. My response was really directed to who ever said our defense got shredded..To me how does a teams defense get shredded and hold them to zero at the half and tack on 24 points which was started by our defense picking off the QB's pass..So what did he shred? I could admit they got shredded if the score was 24-21 at half or something like that. Lonny we both know that Judson has a damn good chance of winning this game. But I like the way these Stangs fans think and if this the same way the team thinks they will have a long day. It looks like the clock is clocking..Lonny we need a countdown thread till kick off..Who can make that happen
18 hours and 34 minutes until Westfield gets a shock!

[jrp83]

Hey JRocketMan, I was at the game last week, please look at the stats of the QB running the football and please tell me what kind of yardage he piled up. I am sorry as true fans that you cannot accept that this team is not and I repeat is not as good as last years team end of story, Westfield is much better than the team we played last year. This will be a rout, count on it. It does not mean I am not loyal, it just means that I see the different between average and very good. I had predicted the score as 40-18, I have now change my mind WF 55- Judson 10. A true fan like it or not will always tell you when someone is better, I could say on here o how Judson will smash them and run over them, it would be a big lie. If Judson was given 2 months to prepare the outcome would be the same.
If you were at the game last week, you should have noticed that Judson was playing their 2nd & 3rd string almost the whole second half. I couln't make the game so I listened to it on the radio, and from what I heard, the Harlingen starters did most of their damage against Judson backups in the 2nd half. Even the radio announcers were commenting during the game that Harlingens yardage would look better than it was due to piling it up with the Judson starters out. I have been to a number of Judson games this year and in my opinion, their defense is better than last years, now their offense is another story. On paper WF is the better team, but if they take the Rockets lightly, they'll have a long trip home to turn in their equipment. Go Rockets!!

[KTBkid09]

how judson can beat westfield? Answer: Very Carefully:cool:

[zzz]

i really do not know how these slow undersized kids will do againt WF. Judson has little experience on the field most of the time and their schedule was one of the weakest played this year. Westfield might as well come down early and walk on the river get some good mexican food and settle in why even practice. I have heard from one of my buddies that one of Westfield players was quoted ina newspaper, or somewhere that they know Judson is terrible and that they think that Judson won't even get a first down. He also said that they did not mind coming to crappy town of San Antonio to give everyone a treat. I can't believe that he said that but I cant blame him at all on this one.
Right there is where you said thier schedule was weak. They play in the best district in the state of Texas. So if that doesnt mean thier schedule was weak tell me what that means.

Someone's good at spreading BS gossip, and drawing conclusions based on fallacies.

[lonny23]

If you were at the game last week, you should have noticed that Judson was playing their 2nd & 3rd string almost the whole second half. I couln't make the game so I listened to it on the radio, and from what I heard, the Harlingen starters did most of their damage against Judson backups in the 2nd half. Even the radio announcers were commenting during the game that Harlingens yardage would look better than it was due to piling it up with the Judson starters out. I have been to a number of Judson games this year and in my opinion, their defense is better than last years, now their offense is another story. On paper WF is the better team, but if they take the Rockets lightly, they'll have a long trip home to turn in their equipment. Go Rockets!!
I say Judson has a better defense this year and that defense looks even better when you consider the offense doesn't keep the ball as much as they did last year. Judson gave up 223 yards a game on defense during the 1st 10 games. That's real good and one of the best in 5A. I know SW gave up less and got more yards, but they also played a somewhat weaker schedule. Their schedule and district was better than a lot of Houston teams, but it's still weaker than Judson.

[JRocketMan]

If you were at the game last week, you should have noticed that Judson was playing their 2nd & 3rd string almost the whole second half. I couln't make the game so I listened to it on the radio, and from what I heard, the Harlingen starters did most of their damage against Judson backups in the 2nd half. Even the radio announcers were commenting during the game that Harlingens yardage would look better than it was due to piling it up with the Judson starters out. I have been to a number of Judson games this year and in my opinion, their defense is better than last years, now their offense is another story. On paper WF is the better team, but if they take the Rockets lightly, they'll have a long trip home to turn in their equipment. Go Rockets!!

I totally agree with this whole post..I have been to every Judson game this season and if it wasnt for the Defense, Judson would not be here. See Judson doesnt have alot of Known players but they play off each other and as a group, and believe me THEIR DEFENSE IS MUCH BETTER..As said in this quote the Offense is another story and if the new coaches stayed with what works for Judson they probably would have walk away with at least 2 more wins out of the 4 losses..The others would be a toss up. See when u go 3 and out alot, theres only so much your Defense can hang in there becuase there on the field too long..But if the offense plays like they did against Reagan, having to win by 21 to make it here and won by 25..This will be an excellent game..It was the same story as this game is, How could Judson beat Reagan by 21, many doubters and alot of people wrote them off, but they stuck to what works for Judson and they made it. If they go into this with the same mentality the have an excellent chance of winning.

[lonny23]

I totally agree with this whole post..I have been to every Judson game this season and if it wasnt for the Defense, Judson would not be here. See Judson doesnt have alot of Known players but they play off each other and as a group, and believe me THEIR DEFENSE IS MUCH BETTER..As said in this quote the Offense is another story and if the new coaches stayed with what works for Judson they probably would have walk away with at least 2 more wins out of the 4 losses..The others would be a toss up. See when u go 3 and out alot, theres only so much your Defense can hang in there becuase there on the field too long..But if the offense plays like they did against Reagan, having to win by 21 to make it here and won by 25..This will be an excellent game..It was the same story as this game is, How could Judson beat Reagan by 21, many doubters and alot of people wrote them off, but they stuck to what works for Judson and they made it. If they go into this with the same mentality the have an excellent chance of winning.
You're right and it's 17 hours and 34 minutes until showtime!:D Don't ask me how I did it exactly an hour apart without trying.

[stangsfan]

Ok..out of all 7 that made the playoffs, majority lost in Round 1 or 2. I think the only team still living is Cy Falls which will get crushed by Katy...
Judson---4 losses on the season and 3 are still playing. Cop Cove, SV and Madison..See its not always about averages. If Judson decided to go with a So So schedule, Judson could also have averages out of the roof and a killer record. Play more teams like North Shore and Cy Fair, then we'll see what the averages look like on both sides of the ball. If you check other sites and see the hardest district this year was 26-5A, but also if you check strength of schedule Judson had the 2nd hardest in the state. 2pm Saturday, Farris Stadium, San Antonio..We'll see u there.

Sorry for the delayed response but I had to drive across Houston.
I forgot to include Northshore in the summary (they are in the stats) and make the 7 teams that Westfield played either in the playoffs and eliminated or beat in pre-season or regular season.

This adjusted stat was in resonse to a post that Westfield stats were inflated because they played 'nobody'. I eliminated any team that didn't make the playoffs for a fairer comparison.

Statistically Westfield wins the game in every category but human behavior can do funny things to averages. That's why this will be so interesting.

[JRocketMan]

17 hours and 34 minutes until showtime

[eagleike]

Let's just hope for all our sake Westfield's puny, slow, no talent, can't travel sorry bunch of misfits show up in good old San Antone tommorrow and pounds the Rockets into believing that this group of Mustangs are quite possibly the best team in Texas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bought my Mexican hat just in case though. It's real cute with twinkling red and green lighted jalapenos.

[lonny23]

Let's just hope for all our sake Westfield's puny, slow, no talent, can't travel sorry bunch of misfits show up in good old San Antone tommorrow and pounds the Rockets into believing that this group of Mustangs are quite possibly the best team in Texas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bought my Mexican hat just in case though
You're hoping for your sake!:p

[JRocketMan]

Let's just hope for all our sake Westfield's puny, slow, no talent, can't travel sorry bunch of misfits show up in good old San Antone tommorrow and pounds the Rockets into believing that this group of Mustangs are quite possibly the best team in Texas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bought my Mexican hat just in case though. It's real cute with twinkling red and green lighted jalapenos.

I would like to know who said that about SW..Those are more like comments Im hearing about Judson..I think most believe SLC is the best team in TX, but thats another story..

[TexasRed6x]

i really do not know how these slow undersized kids will do againt WF. Judson has little experience on the field most of the time and their schedule was one of the weakest played this year. Westfield might as well come down early and walk on the river get some good mexican food and settle in why even practice. I have heard from one of my buddies that one of Westfield players was quoted ina newspaper, or somewhere that they know Judson is terrible and that they think that Judson won't even get a first down. He also said that they did not mind coming to crappy town of San Antonio to give everyone a treat. I can't believe that he said that but I cant blame him at all on this one.
Right there is where you said thier schedule was weak. They play in the best district in the state of Texas. So if that doesnt mean thier schedule was weak tell me what that means.

Peace
Rocketman05

Rocketman05-1
TexasRed6X-0

LoL, I will be on the Judson side tomorrow, hoping that we will not get blown out, but I think I wasting my time. I am glad that you feel like Judson is the better team, I have been to 13 of their games and I do not see what you see, I hope I am wrong, it would not be the first time, but this one is easy. Just think of Churchil and 5 first downs, it to hard to forget even without 9-11 starters. Hell our on city, not one pick Judson and even stated that"Westfield has the better team" our own city is picking WF, they are not stupid though just know what I know. .

[RocketQB]

1)Schedule them in 2006, when their 14 starting seniors will be gone.
2) Score at least 30 points.
3) Suit up Lonny.
4)Play better than you did last year.
5)Get a beautiful girl to "distract" Pierre Beasley the night before the game.
6)Take a strong sleeping aid and dream about the great Judson victory.
7) Rename one of those region 4 patsies "Westfield".
8)Suit up Lonny's ego.
9)Just BELIEVE.
10)Imitate Tyler Lee.


1. Working on it.
2. Not necessary
3. Not necessary
4. Done
5. Not necessary
6. Not necessary
7. Not necessary
8. Not necessary
9. We BELIEVED--and WON!!!
10. Not necessary

I guess the better team won today!!!

[lonny23]

1. Working on it.
2. Not necessary
3. Not necessary
4. Done
5. Not necessary
6. Not necessary
7. Not necessary
8. Not necessary
9. We BELIEVED--and WON!!!
10. Not necessary

I guess the better team won today!!!
Aw, you could've suited me or my ego up. That ties into believing!:D