Plano Vs Southlake

[wampuscat]

any word on a site and time?

[BAMF cowboy]

i've heard it's noon at T.S next Saturday, i can't confirm

[toonman]

I have seen on another thread on this site - 12.00 Noon at Texas Stadium Saturday December 3rd 2005.

[TexasRed6x]

They should call this game already, SLC by at least 25 points.

[BAMF cowboy]

They should call this game already, SLC by at least 25 points.

if we were going by this method longview might still be in the playoffs. we play the games for a reason

[TexasRed6x]

if we were going by this method longview might still be in the playoffs. we play the games for a reason

you are not comparing SLC to Longview are you ???

[drgnbkr]

you are not comparing SLC to Longview are you ???

No one ever compared Carroll to Longview..it was always the other way around...

[BAMF cowboy]

you are not comparing SLC to Longview are you ???

nope, just proving a point that there is a reason we play the games, and not just on paper

[bhs06_2]

This one will be worse than the 3 games that SLC has already played. I think +56 at least.

[Tejasnole]

Get off the crack. SLC might beat Plano but 56+. Your having the roid rage come out. Midland and SGP doubted us and now they are sitting home on the couch. Last time I checked Plano took Allen just like SLC. I am not predicting anything just saying your mindset is stupid.:eek:

[TexasRed6x]

Get off the crack. SLC might beat Plano but 56+. Your having the roid rage come out. Midland and SGP doubted us and now they are sitting home on the couch. Last time I checked Plano took Allen just like SLC. I am not predicting anything just saying your mindset is stupid.:eek:

Believe me they will be laying the smack down on you next week, are you ready for some basketball.

[BAMF cowboy]

every week fans think their team is special and will take it to SLC

i look forward to our postgame chat this time next weekend

[Tejasnole]

Well I am a homer so I say Plano by a gazillon. Yes I am sure you are. SLC dominated Abilene and all I heard was crap. Plano beats midland and I remark and get crap for it. Ball up bud.

[BAMF cowboy]

plano has continued to be picked against this season and through the plyoffs. They have disproved a lot of people so far, but dont let the success go to your head. This is where you find the big dogs...SLC, Lufkin, SV, Katy

[Tejasnole]

Big dawgs? Well in that case you guys should fear us we have more championships. Don't start the crap save it for next week.

[drgnbkr]

Big dawgs? Well in that case you guys should fear us we have more championships. Don't start the crap save it for next week.

He's trying to complement you.. fool....good luck to your wildcats...talk facts not smack & we can all converse...

[dragonsdaddy]

Well I am a homer so I say Plano by a gazillon. Yes I am sure you are. SLC dominated Abilene and all I heard was crap. Plano beats midland and I remark and get crap for it. Ball up bud.
poor pityful you. most didn't use the nyah nyah na nyah nyah quite as forcefully as you did.

[toonman]

Big dawgs? Well in that case you guys should fear us we have more championships. Don't start the crap save it for next week.

Plano Fans – can we take a reasoned and factual approach to this game? I am sure you will all agree that SLC starts as huge favorites for this game, which has the potential for a blow out early on. SLC slaughtered Abilene 52-0.

Abilene beat Midland 31-20. Yes encourage and support your team, but do not make unsubstantiated and poorly reasoned comments.

[Owned05]

What kind of offense does Plano run?

[TXhsfbfan]

What kind of offense does Plano run?
I believe Plano is back to old style Plano football.. run .. run.. run... they run the option and only pass as a last resort... will be interesting to see how the SLC defense does against an option team since most teams run a version of the spread / passing offense

[Pack Backer]

I believe Plano is back to old style Plano football.. run .. run.. run... they run the option and only pass as a last resort... will be interesting to see how the SLC defense does against an option team since most teams run a version of the spread / passing offense

That's not good for Plano, as it is not a good offense when you get down by at least 2 TDs. However; if they can get ahead, they can use it to eat up some clock. At any rate- it's a SLC victory.

[pshs1]

i've heard it's noon at T.S next Saturday, i can't confirm
Can anyone confirm this? Thanks

[dragonsdaddy]

Can anyone confirm this? Thanks
obviously, i can't.

[TXhsfbfan]

That's not good for Plano, as it is not a good offense when you get down by at least 2 TDs. However; if they can get ahead, they can use it to eat up some clock. At any rate- it's a SLC victory.
I agree... Plano will need to keep SLC under 21 points to have a change and I don't see that happening..

[jrp83]

I feel for the Plano fans, I'm a Judson fan and am having to deal with the same stuff concerning the Westfield game. Nobody, other than Judson fans, feel the Rockets will be within 3-4 TD's of Westfield. I say play the games and let it be decided on the field. You never know whats going to happen in the playoffs. All it takes is one bad game by the favorite and a better than expected game from the underdog and you have an upset. Plano has a chance to beat SLC just as Judson has a chance to beat WF. Never say never! Go Rockets!!

[VB Pack Fan]

plano has continued to be picked against this season and through the plyoffs. They have disproved a lot of people so far, but dont let the success go to your head. This is where you find the big dogs...SLC, Lufkin, SV, Katy

I like that DragonCrew06" THE BIG DOGS ":D woof woof

[dragonsdaddy]

plano has been disrespected before and won, so the coaches at least know what it takes. they'll be drawing deep on some old coaching masters this week.

[Dargason]

The Dallas Morning News site says 1pm or 2pm @ TS next Saturday.

Thanks for a great game, Midland... tough team, great fans, enjoyable game!

[farmerfan]

This is a dream matchup for me. I love old school football and love to see Plano run the option wearing those classic white helmets and maroon uniforms. Plano will be a huge underdog but that has not stopped them in years past. Their defense is as good as SL has played in the playoffs, but I dont know if it will be able to contain the dragon machine. The one thing I do know is that Plano will have a very difficult time moving the football on this dragon defense. The only way to beat SL this year is to get in a shoot out with them. After I witnessed the massacre in Waco friday night, I dont think anyone will come within 28 of the Dragons. If you think by controlling the clock and running the ball you can beat SL then you have another thing coming, this defense will shut down most running teams in the state. I hope its close, but I dont think it will be, but that is why they play the game.

DD
How many fans do you anticipate for this game? Any chance of it topping the Plano/HP games that drew 40,000?

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

They should call this game already, SLC by at least 25 points.

Your also the same guy that said Plano would lose to SGP and Midland. So I don't think we should call them game just yet. :)

I saw on the DMN game is either 1 or 2 pm next saturday depending on other games being played their.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

This is a dream matchup for me. I love old school football and love to see Plano run the option wearing those classic white helmets and maroon uniforms. Plano will be a huge underdog but that has not stopped them in years past. Their defense is as good as SL has played in the playoffs, but I dont know if it will be able to contain the dragon machine. The one thing I do know is that Plano will have a very difficult time moving the football on this dragon defense. The only way to beat SL this year is to get in a shoot out with them. After I witnessed the massacre in Waco friday night, I dont think anyone will come within 28 of the Dragons. If you think by controlling the clock and running the ball you can beat SL then you have another thing coming, this defense will shut down most running teams in the state. I hope its close, but I dont think it will be, but that is why they play the game.

DD
How many fans do you anticipate for this game? Any chance of it topping the Plano/HP games that drew 40,000?

Your right Plano has a huge challenge. NO doubt they will bring a better effort than Abilene. It's all about how Plano can control SLC's big play passing game. Plano allowed no play bigger than 16 yards all day vs midland. But SLC is a different ANIMAL!!

I expect at least a crowd as big as the Abilene SLC game. Shopping frenzy is over and the game will draw alot of interest from the casual fan. I

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

I feel for the Plano fans, I'm a Judson fan and am having to deal with the same stuff concerning the Westfield game. Nobody, other than Judson fans, feel the Rockets will be within 3-4 TD's of Westfield. I say play the games and let it be decided on the field. You never know whats going to happen in the playoffs. All it takes is one bad game by the favorite and a better than expected game from the underdog and you have an upset. Plano has a chance to beat SLC just as Judson has a chance to beat WF. Never say never! Go Rockets!!

AMEN :)

[Owned05]

Honestly, if Plano scores first and are able to hold the Dragons on there first posession, and can score again.

AND THEY DO NOT GET OUT OF THERE GAME PLAN.

Then I feel like they can win.



Buuuuuuuuut that seems too tough. SLC busts it open early.

[Tejasnole]

I is gonna take one hell of an effort. If plano wins I will be ecstatic, if SLC wins I will just say they are the teams in years past but better. Either way I think this will be a good game despite what some might say and think over the next week.

[dragonsdaddy]

just talked to my old mentor and he feels good about the chances for staying with slc. he also recognizes that plano has never faced a team quite like slc.

i don't have any idea, but i doubt it'll go 40k, due to the other area teams siphoning off potential fans. aledo, hp, hebron, and trinity all being alive and well takes a load of ticket buyers elsewhere. i expect 25k or thereabouts.

[Tejasnole]

At last Texas Stadium game against SGP Plano had around 17,000. I expect a few more thousand because we are facing the green machine.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

I feel for the Plano fans, I'm a Judson fan and am having to deal with the same stuff concerning the Westfield game. Nobody, other than Judson fans, feel the Rockets will be within 3-4 TD's of Westfield. I say play the games and let it be decided on the field. You never know whats going to happen in the playoffs. All it takes is one bad game by the favorite and a better than expected game from the underdog and you have an upset. Plano has a chance to beat SLC just as Judson has a chance to beat WF. Never say never! Go Rockets!!

Judson & Plano fans unite!!!

TO be the best you have to beat the best!!

[farmerfan]

just talked to my old mentor and he feels good about the chances for staying with slc. he also recognizes that plano has never faced a team quite like slc.

i don't have any idea, but i doubt it'll go 40k, due to the other area teams siphoning off potential fans. aledo, hp, hebron, and trinity all being alive and well takes a load of ticket buyers elsewhere. i expect 25k or thereabouts.


so whos does the daddy root for this week?

[Sakatha]

No way we'll see it, duh, but Abilene beats Plano.

This SLC team is 3x stronger than last year's at this point. The defense is just ridiculous. Unless Plano craps a passing game, this is going to be really embarrasing.

~DnM

[dragonsdaddy]

so whos does the daddy root for this week?
i wouldn't be upset regardless of the outcome. on the one hand, i am ecstatic that the wildcats are back in the hunt. on the otherhand, i don't know a single person in the pshs athletic dept anymore. i will be yelling for the dragons, since i know all these kids and coaches. i'll be waving the paws in my heart, at least.

i haven't seen a wildcat po game since the state title game in 94, so that'll be special.

[farmerfan]

i wouldn't be upset regardless of the outcome. on the one hand, i am ecstatic that the wildcats are back in the hunt. on the otherhand, i don't know a single person in the pshs athletic dept anymore. i will be yelling for the dragons, since i know all these kids and coaches. i'll be waving the paws in my heart, at least.

i haven't seen a wildcat po game since the state title game in 94, so that'll be special.


I can only imagine how special it is. congrats on both your programs success this year.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

What kind of offense does Plano run?


Plano plays power football. Lots of sweeps dives and of course the Plano Mid-line option. QB Sifikas is very good at faking the option and throwing the post route to lott. Plano also does some 3 WR sets and has passed for 1300 yards this year which is alot. Although today they were 2-5 for 14 yards.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

No way we'll see it, duh, but Abilene beats Plano.

This SLC team is 3x stronger than last year's at this point. The defense is just ridiculous. Unless Plano craps a passing game, this is going to be really embarrasing.

~DnM
Why does Abilene beat Plano?

Your right Plano has no chance against SLC. We shouldn't even show up and support our team. :o
However,
I know one thing Plano will be well coached, they will bring their A game and they will bring alot of support. If they fall short then we lose to a better team that was suppose to win. However, If we pull the upset that just ads to Plano's Mystique and adds another notch for the team which already has the all time texas school boy record for most playoff wins at 83 and State Championships.

To me the pressure is on SLC. :D

[AllenEagle06]

As a person that has seen his team slaughtered by both Plano and SLC, I would have to say that SLC has the upper hand in this one. Their defense is the strongest it has ever been so running the ball all the time is not going to go very far. Sorry Plano, you've had a great year but I'm afraid SLC is the end of the line. I'll still root for Plano to win though.

[reed35]

As a person that has seen his team slaughtered by both Plano and SLC, I would have to say that SLC has the upper hand in this one. Their defense is the strongest it has ever been so running the ball all the time is not going to go very far. Sorry Plano, you've had a great year but I'm afraid SLC is the end of the line. I'll still root for Plano to win though.
Don't be sorry. Heck we are still playing and according to most of this board, we should have lost every week. We are very happy for our team and we will show up and play. No matter the outcome, Heads will be high and we have had a great year!!!!!

[Solve Et Coagula]

All SLC fans were rooting for Plano and we are all looking forward for the game on Saturday and I hope it is a better game than the SLC and Abilene game.:D

[Dargason]

I'll still root for Plano to win though.
Come to the game with us! Wear maroon! We'll give you a paw sign and you can help us support a great bunch of players who will give their all.

[WildcatFan]

Well let me start off my remarks about this weeks upcoming game.

First, to the team, fans and town of SLC, on behalf of Plano fans it is going to be an honor to play you next week in Texas Stadium.

You are the current state and national Champs no disputing that.

Plano has a tough game next week, and I nor any reasonable Wilcat fan will admit that it is going to be anything but monumental to beat you. This is an undisputible fact.

What I can say is our boys want this, and we have nothing to loose. No long running winning streak, no bragging rights for National Champs, only advancement to the next week or 13-1 record after an 0-10 season 2 years ago.

We know we are underdogs and have been all year, our boys will be well rested, well coached and prepared to mix it up with you next week.

Good Luck

[PESHfan]

At last Texas Stadium game against SGP Plano had around 17,000. I expect a few more thousand because we are facing the green machine.

The Plano Christmas Parade may hurt attendance at the game if it ends up starting at noon. I'm hoping for at least 1 or 2 for the game.

[Butch Fifield]

The Plano Christmas Parade may hurt attendance at the game if it ends up starting at noon.

you gotta be kidding me. are they throwing out hundred dollars bills from floats?

[drgnbkr]

Send somebody to tape the parade & get your a--- to the game!:D

[SLCalumni]

Plano plays power football. Lots of sweeps dives and of course the Plano Mid-line option. QB Sifikas is very good at faking the option and throwing the post route to lott. Plano also does some 3 WR sets and has passed for 1300 yards this year which is alot. Although today they were 2-5 for 14 yards.

it's not gonna matter how much "power football" you play. people simply cannot run the ball against us. they haven't in a while. in the ALLEN game, the SLC defense had more total yards(15) in the first half than IMAC's offense(13). as for the passing game...sure everyone's gonna complete passes but we have the players to make the big plays when we need to and we can put our foot down on a drive and stop offenses cold

my pick is definitly SLC

[Dargason]

The Plano Christmas Parade may hurt attendance at the game if it ends up starting at noon.
Back in the day of THE Plano High School, they woulda rescheduled the parade. Last one out of Plano turn out the lights!

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

it's not gonna matter how much "power football" you play. people simply cannot run the ball against us. they haven't in a while. in the ALLEN game, the SLC defense had more total yards(15) in the first half than IMAC's offense(13). as for the passing game...sure everyone's gonna complete passes but we have the players to make the big plays when we need to and we can put our foot down on a drive and stop offenses cold

my pick is definitly SLC

Your right. All year long SLC played running option teams. I think your entire district runs primarily the option right?

No doubt you have a great defense. However, all you have played this year in district is primarily passing spread teams. Plano had 360 yards rushing against MIdland and over 200+ against a salty SGP team.

If Plano can't run consistently then they have no chance.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

PLANO Fans do not forget to go to churh today!! We need all the help we can get !!!:)

Go Plano!! To be the best you have to beat the best!!

[Shoot2thrill]

PLANO Fans do not forget to go to church today!! We need all the help we can get !!!:)

Go Plano!! To be the best you have to beat the best!!

LOL....A little divine intervention never hurt. I am afraid this one will get ugly pretty fast although it won't be 52-0 ugly like the Abilene game. I really think SLC will take away your running game completely and force you to pass. Their D is light years better than last year's. Hopefully Plano will keep it respectable though. Good luck.

[bhs06]

I don't think Plano is as good as IMac or Abilene

[Sakatha]

PLANO Fans do not forget to go to churh today!! We need all the help we can get !!!:)

Go Plano!! To be the best you have to beat the best!!

You gonna call a TO in the 4th quarter to go pray in the endzone like in '86?

I swear, this all just makes me wanna vomit.

I won't *ever* forget your little wildcat dressed in a Santa suit 'dancing' in front of the buses after you cheapshotted your way past L.D. Bell. Way to be classy.

~DnM

[dragonsdaddy]

i saw that game, and memories are well fuzzed up, but i don't remember any special cheap shots. expound please.

[RidgePride]

I don't think Plano is as good as IMac or Abilene
Or South Grand Prairie Right???

Bhs06??

Your logic is pathetic.

[sldragondad]

Well let me start off my remarks about his weeks upcoming game.

First, to the team, fans and town of SLC, on behalf of Plano fans it is going to be an honor to play you next week in Texas Stadium.

You are the current state and national Champs no disputing that.

Plano has a tough game next week, and I nor any reasonable Wilcat fan will admit that it is going to be anything but monumental to beat you. This is an undisputible fact.

What I can say is our boys want this, and we have nothing to loose. No long running winning streak, no bragging rights for National Champs, only advancement to the next week or 13-1 record after an 0-10 season 2 years ago.

We know we are underdogs and have been all year, our boys will be well rested, well coached and prepared to mix it up with you next week.

Good Luck


Wow!!

[PlanoNative]

I won't *ever* forget your little wildcat dressed in a Santa suit 'dancing' in front of the buses after you cheapshotted your way past L.D. Bell. Way to be classy.

I don't remember any cheapshots and I was at the game.

Anywho, Plano has been doubted all year and into the playoffs. They will come to win, not "stay close"... This is one of the better defenses I can remember at Plano including the late '80's teams. SLC will not beat the Cats by 56 as someone earlier said. :rolleyes:

[Slim-Rob]

He's trying to complement you.. fool....good luck to your wildcats...talk facts not smack & we can all converse...(Judson:) )

SLC by 7.

[Sakatha]

i saw that game, and memories are well fuzzed up, but i don't remember any special cheap shots. expound please.

Jamie Gill was crushed out of bounds on the tying drive(10 yards out of bounds). Broke his leg. He was unable to continue(obviously). That left freshman Robbie Queen to come in and throw 4 INC passes into the end zone.

There was also a more than questionable spot in which a freaking CREDIT CARD was used to rule a 4th down conversion.

~DnM

p.s. It's the dancing wildcat that sticks out in your mind. One thing you don't do is taunt your opponant in the playoffs after a win. NOTHING worse than blowing up a kid who's just played his last football game.

[Mhs06]

SLC by 3 TDs

[graveyardpoet]

Well let me start off my remarks about his weeks upcoming game.

First, to the team, fans and town of SLC, on behalf of Plano fans it is going to be an honor to play you next week in Texas Stadium.

You are the current state and national Champs no disputing that.

Plano has a tough game next week, and I nor any reasonable Wilcat fan will admit that it is going to be anything but monumental to beat you. This is an undisputible fact.

What I can say is our boys want this, and we have nothing to loose. No long running winning streak, no bragging rights for National Champs, only advancement to the next week or 13-1 record after an 0-10 season 2 years ago.

We know we are underdogs and have been all year, our boys will be well rested, well coached and prepared to mix it up with you next week.

Good Luck

GO CATS!!

[PaulinPlano]

This is a dream matchup for me. I love old school football and love to see Plano run the option wearing those classic white helmets and maroon uniforms. Plano will be a huge underdog but that has not stopped them in years past. Their defense is as good as SL has played in the playoffs, but I dont know if it will be able to contain the dragon machine. The one thing I do know is that Plano will have a very difficult time moving the football on this dragon defense. The only way to beat SL this year is to get in a shoot out with them. After I witnessed the massacre in Waco friday night, I dont think anyone will come within 28 of the Dragons. If you think by controlling the clock and running the ball you can beat SL then you have another thing coming, this defense will shut down most running teams in the state. I hope its close, but I dont think it will be, but that is why they play the game.

DD
How many fans do you anticipate for this game? Any chance of it topping the Plano/HP games that drew 40,000?

I was a the triple header in round 2 and SLC had about 12K plus there and then in the last game Plano had an even bigger crowd. Add in folks like me who will just go to the game, and you should have well over 30K easy. But it may be more!

[dragonsdaddy]

Jamie Gill was crushed out of bounds on the tying drive(10 yards out of bounds). Broke his leg. He was unable to continue(obviously). That left freshman Robbie Queen to come in and throw 4 INC passes into the end zone.

There was also a more than questionable spot in which a freaking CREDIT CARD was used to rule a 4th down conversion.

~DnM

p.s. It's the dancing wildcat that sticks out in your mind. One thing you don't do is taunt your opponant in the playoffs after a win. NOTHING worse than blowing up a kid who's just played his last football game.
there's a reason the mascot is a girl, and a reason to be upset at her, but not at all of plano for what a pubescent , anonymous double x does. the gill thing was bad, but plano doesn't teach/coach that way.

[reed35]

who is home team?

[HOOKEM]

slc in a high scoring game........at least for SLC.

[FeeltheHaka]

Plano is not even close to SLC. I say SLC by at least 35. Coach Dodge, will have the team well prepared.

[WILDCAT27]

He's trying to complement you.. fool....good luck to your wildcats...talk facts not smack & we can all converse...

not trying to start anything... just pointing out a fact:
Plano- 7 state championships
SLC- 2 in 5a, not sure how many others

[hollywood]

SLC by 3 TDs

I think this is about right. But if SLC wanted to run up a bigger score they are definitely capable of it. The 48 to 21 win over IMac for example was not really as close as the score sounds. Not taking anything away from IMac in scoring those points but SLCs offense backed way off.

Would there be any reason for SLC to run up a big score?

[Solve Et Coagula]

If plano starts talking sh!t then the score will be high but if they keep thier mouths shut then we will let up at the end.

[bhs06]

What?

Who said that SLC has played a lot of power running teams this year.. false

Each team in 5-5A is a spread offense, or in my opinion, wannabee SLCs.

Coppell was ok at power running but not the best, i've seen better.

I can't name any other power running teams SLC has played.

[WILDCAT27]

You gonna call a TO in the 4th quarter to go pray in the endzone like in '86?

I swear, this all just makes me wanna vomit.


but i do beleive Plano won the state championship in 86' :)

[WILDCAT27]

also to everyone saying that plano will get beat by 35-56+ points, Planos defense is incredible this year, and it will be one of SLCs lower scoring games this seaeson. i do not see SLC scoring over 35 points, and plano should in no way get beat by 2 or more tds. Plano is definately the underdog and it would take a miracle for us to beat them this week, but that is a miracle our team is more than capable of :)

[chickenheart]

If plano starts talking sh!t then the score will be high but if they keep thier mouths shut then we will let up at the end.
I don't believe in a team letting up. I hope that isn't true. Plano will give SLC their most physical game of the year. Don't plan on running up the score and if letting up is your game, well, don't plan on that either. Get ready to play a team with a lot of heart. All we wanted was the chance and now we've got it. Just know that we have been "the little team that could" all year. We may loose but you will know that we were there.

[cougardude]

I don't think Southlake Carroll will have any problems with Plano. I was at the Plano-Midland game and Plano had some bright spots, but nothing that would lead me to believe they could beat SLC.

[Jive Turkey]

The 1987 Plano Wildcat team could wear down the 2005 SLC Dragons. That 87 team was much more physical on both sides of the ball. I just don't see the 2005 Wildcats being able to slow down SLC. But who knows. That's why they play the games.

[Butch Fifield]

I won't *ever* forget your little wildcat dressed in a Santa suit 'dancing' in front of the buses after you cheapshotted your way past L.D. Bell. Way to be classy.

You sound like a guy who looks for any little thing to be miserable about.

Football is a rough game. People are flying around everywhere. Just because somebody gets hurt doesn't mean it is a "cheapshot". **** happens.

And one little girl does some dancing and you hold a grudge against all of Plano. You just need to get over it. I am sure somewhere in the history of Southlake Carroll, some little high school girl did a dance in front of some opposing fans.

[dragonsdaddy]

The 1987 Plano Wildcat team could wear down the 2005 SLC Dragons. That 87 team was much more physical on both sides of the ball. I just don't see the 2005 Wildcats being able to slow down SLC. But who knows. That's why they play the games.
i have talked at length about the old plano teams vs slc of late, with coaches from that era. defensively they would have struggled due to the multiheadedness of the slc attack. the offense of the plano state title teams would have and did give everyone trouble. this is going to be fun.

[hollywood]

I don't believe in a team letting up. I hope that isn't true. Plano will give SLC their most physical game of the year. Don't plan on running up the score and if letting up is your game, well, don't plan on that either. Get ready to play a team with a lot of heart. All we wanted was the chance and now we've got it. Just know that we have been "the little team that could" all year. We may loose but you will know that we were there.

Putting in second and third stringers and just grinding out yardage on the ground may be considered letting up. I also think it is sound football. No reason to have the starters in to possibly get injured. No reason to have them not play at full throttle either. It is good experience for the subs as well. They can play full out. They should be fresh. The idea is to take time off the clock. But it can let off the pressure on the other team. Having said that in yesterdays Trinity game the subs were able to continue the beating.

[dragonsdaddy]

Putting in second and third stringers and just grinding out yardage on the ground may be considered letting up. I also think it is sound football. No reason to have the starters in to possibly get injured. No reason to have them not play at full throttle either. It is good experience for the subs as well. They can play full out. They should be fresh. The idea is to take time off the clock. But it can let off the pressure on the other team. Having said that in yesterdays Trinity game the subs were able to continue the beating.
the subs could have started the beating, had they needed to. it may not have been the biggest blowout pointwise, but it was definitely the biggest mismatch.

[hollywood]

the subs could have started the beating, had they needed to. it may not have been the biggest blowout pointwise, but it was definitely the biggest mismatch.

Agreed!

[Red Raiders]

Where is the poll?

[WildcatFan]

Where is the poll?

Why a poll is irrelevent as everyone is overwhelmingly going to pick SLC to win.

It doesn't matter Plano will be ready to play on Sat. I am not predicting a win I never do, but this will not be like the Allen or Abilene game.

SLC better bring the ice packs and warm up the jacuzzi's becuse win or loose you will be facing the most physical team you have played all year. Your boys will be a bit banged up!

We are not one of those fancy pancy spread teams that doen't touch anyone. We are going run the ball up your gut and our D is going to destroy your back as he is not too impressive too bad you don't have Luna this year.

[ALLIN]

Imac and Abilene both said the same thing, "WE ARE GOING TO BE THE HARDEST HITTING TEAM THEY HAVE FACED, We wont let up, we will hit them in the mouth, SLC is a soft team, they dont like to hit" You see the result. Good luck to both teams, and congrats on the season.

[dragonsdaddy]

Why a poll is irrelevent as everyone is overwhelmingly going to pick SLC to win.

It doesn't matter Plano will be ready to play on Sat. I am not predicting a win I never do, but this will not be like the Allen or Abilene game.

SLC better bring the ice packs and warm up the jacuzzi's becuse win or loose you will be facing the most physical team you have played all year. Your boys will be a bit banged up!

We are not one of those fancy pancy spread teams that doen't touch anyone. We are going run the ball up your gut and our D is going to destroy your back as he is not too impressive too bad you don't have Luna this year.
prepare to be impressed with a fairly physical spread team. the namby-pamby defense hasn't given up a point in 4 games. whereas old style power teams sought to wear down the other teams defense in the fourth qtr. slc strives to do it in the 2nd. this set of wr's will run any secondary into the ground, due to their overall speed and their depth. wr 1 is great, and wr1-a who replaces him is 95% as good, and rested. as a db's dad, i know how destructive that kind of pressure can be. in any series, 5-6 receptions could be caught by 5-6 different players. tough to focus on any one aspect. there are usually 8-9 players with receptions every game. i personally want plano to keep it close, but my head says no way.i'd prefer to be able to stay for the whole game. haven't been to one yet(i missed the gvine thriller).

[Trev Alberts]

its gonna be the worst game of the year i would rather play frisbee golf!

[SLC Dragon Fan]

Why a poll is irrelevent as everyone is overwhelmingly going to pick SLC to win.

It doesn't matter Plano will be ready to play on Sat. I am not predicting a win I never do, but this will not be like the Allen or Abilene game.

SLC better bring the ice packs and warm up the jacuzzi's becuse win or loose you will be facing the most physical team you have played all year. Your boys will be a bit banged up!

We are not one of those fancy pancy spread teams that doen't touch anyone. We are going run the ball up your gut and our D is going to destroy your back as he is not too impressive too bad you don't have Luna this year.

SLC has given up 2 yards per rush attempt in their last 8 games. Teams are averaging 54 rushing yards and 27 rushing attempts against them over that same period. While I admit that most of the teams they have played over that period run spread offenses, 27 rushing attempts per game is still quite a bit. Their defense is very stingy against the run. I realize that Plano will rush more than 27 times and runs an option offense that SLC has not seen this year. However, I have no doubt that this defense will rise to the occasion and make Plano earn every yard.

Also, if you think that our back is not very impressive, keep on thinking that. He had 137 yards against Abilene on 15 carries.

SLC by 21

[BigFanSLC]

i wanna know why every week the exact same thing is said fromt he opposing fans of the teams SLC is facing that week?!?

i've been saying it for three years.... its the same thing every week! IMAC, Allen, and Abilene fans really believed their team was ready, but you see with big games comes big plays from the Dragons. i mean in the last three playoff games SLC has outscored their opponents 110-0 in the first half.... beat a supposibly unstoppable Abilene team 52-0. use common sense Plano fans... yes your team is a very good team, and i give you all the credit you deserve bc it takes a lot to be this far in the playoffs. but, like the past three weeks, Plano will feel the same fire.
I've followed SLC for many years and i can honestly say if you want to run all day on this SLC Defense you better have some pretty tricky plays. The D this year is very very good. and i hear the O isnt too shabby either.

Good Luck Plano. You will need a lot of luck this week.

SLC- 35
PHS- 14

[Butch Fifield]

i wanna know why every week the exact same thing is said fromt he opposing fans of the teams SLC is facing that week?!?

man, I just had to reread this thread to see all the Plano fans predicting a win.

I could not find any. All i found were Wildcat fans talking about what a tough game this will be.

I did find one tongue in cheek comment about how Plano would win by a gazillion.

I must admit I do have hope going into this game. I hope our player's have hope too.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

You gonna call a TO in the 4th quarter to go pray in the endzone like in '86?

I swear, this all just makes me wanna vomit.

I won't *ever* forget your little wildcat dressed in a Santa suit 'dancing' in front of the buses after you cheapshotted your way past L.D. Bell. Way to be classy.

~DnM

Get over it you lost 19 years go. MOVE on. You lost to the state champion of 86 & 87. That is nothing to be ashamed of. That was a great game. I should know.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Plano is not even close to SLC. I say SLC by at least 35. Coach Dodge, will have the team well prepared.


What does that say about Trinity? You lose at home by 7 to SGP, SGP loses to Plano by 7 neutral field and you say that SL beats Plano by 35? That means they stomp on the HAKA LOOGIE :) and beat Trinity by 49. Is that what your saying? :rolleyes:

Your right Plano has no chance whatsoever. Nothing to lose. SLC can play all their backups and beat Plano by 14. :D

To be the best you have to beat the best!! Keep piling it on poor old outmanned Plano.

[reed35]

I can't speak for all the teams you mentioned, only for Plano. All i am saying is we will show up and play. According to this board SGP and MHS should have won. We showed up and played. I am not saying we will win, only play with all we have. If we lose, then we have done more than anyone thought we would and that equals good season.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

If plano starts talking sh!t then the score will be high but if they keep thier mouths shut then we will let up at the end.

Sure you will. I bet Todd Dodge is on surfing the message boards looking for fans talking smack so he can score more points if to much smack is talked about his team.

These message boards are for hardcore fans. It makes not one difference what so ever what goes on in here.

So I guess Plano should shiver and not stand up and take its beating by 28 and not get SLC upset or we might get beat by 50!!:eek: Please!!

[PHL4SLC]

I don't believe in a team letting up. I hope that isn't true. Plano will give SLC their most physical game of the year. Don't plan on running up the score and if letting up is your game, well, don't plan on that either. Get ready to play a team with a lot of heart. All we wanted was the chance and now we've got it. Just know that we have been "the little team that could" all year. We may loose but you will know that we were there.

Its not that SLC "Lets Up" . . . from what I see, at the half, if the Dragons are up by a wide margin, Dodge will use his second / third string throughout the second half to give them playing time.

There were a few newspaper articles out of Abilene basically mentioning that Coach Warren believed they should have won last year. I don't think the Dragons "Ran Up" the score so much as they just kept a lot of their First string (w/ the exception of McElroy in the 4th Quarter) in the game the second half. My personal opinion is that they wanted to verify the incorrectness of coach Warrens statement that, w/o quoting, Potts is generally a better quarterback, that SLC is not as good in their running game this year vs last year, and that Abilene "had southlake beat" last year in playoffs.

I'm very excited that Plano is our contender this week. It seems like something "magical" is happening over there in Plano this year. Awesome to see - - - in fact, I believe that is kind of how Soutlake got its start when they entered 5A - - - came out of nowhere and have been excellent ever since . . . Obviously my congratulations to go Plano - and I'll be rootin for Southlake Carroll from Philadelphia over the radio on Saturday =)

Sure was nice to see a live game in Waco this past Friday!!! Keep it up Dragons!

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

its gonna be the worst game of the year i would rather play frisbee golf!


You go do that!! and spare us your opinion.:p

[WildcatFan]

It's juts amusing the cockeyness of the SLC fans and their thoughts that they are going to roll over Plano with such ease.

That's ok here is something for your blonde bombshells to think about.

Your rights to State and National Championship status is on the line!

Your consecutive win streak is on the line!

You are not used to playing the style of offense Plano plays nor have you faced as tough of defense.

The state chamiponship is on the line!

Our team has nothing to loose but to go out there and beat the snot out of you head up.

Don't let the things I mentioned rattle you, I know you don't need to tell me "you got this right"

6 days and counting try not to let your heads explode before the game we would hate to win by forefit.:D

[BAMF cowboy]

i've said it before and i'll say it again

Teams just don't get it until they play us.

Except Lufkin and SV...they've learned

[drgnbkr]

It's juts amusing the cockeyness of the SLC fans and their thoughts that they are going to roll over Plano with such ease.

That's ok here is something for your blonde bombshells to think about.

Your rights to State and National Championship status is on the line!

Your consecutive win streak is on the line!

You are not used to playing the style of offense Plano plays nor have you faced as tough of defense.

The state chamiponship is on the line!

Our team has nothing to loose but to go out there and beat the snot out of you head up.

Don't let the things I mentioned rattle you, I know you don't need to tell me "you got this right"

6 days and counting try not to let your heads explode before the game we would hate to win by forefit.:D

Wow! Are you having a bad day or what? Can't you just wait for the game or are you going to be this obnoxious all week?

[WildcatFan]

Wow! Are you having a bad day or what? Can't you just wait for the game or are you going to be this obnoxious all week?

The only thing more obnoxious is your heads, just keep preaching blow out twice the pride double the fall!

[dragonsdaddy]

i guess since we have been extremely lucky not to have imploded worrying about all the accolades and the streaks and the records for almost 3 years(first one was unexpected), it's bound to happen this week as all the coaches and players finally wake up from their success-induced stupor and start showing their uppity 4a roots and revert to the mean. maybe this is the week we start on the 1-60 streak to get back to 500, where everyone thought we'd be in 02. i'm just glad my kids got their rings and don't have to suffer the embarrassments.

[WildcatFan]

i guess since we have been extremely lucky not to have imploded worrying about all the accolades and the streaks and the records for almost 3 years(first one was unexpected), it's bound to happen this week as all the coaches and players finally wake up from their success-induced stupor and start showing their uppity 4a roots and revert to the mean. maybe this is the week we start on the 1-60 streak to get back to 500, where everyone thought we'd be in 02. i'm just glad my kids got their rings and don't have to suffer the embarrassments.

Great we have you right where we want you!

[WildcatFan]

i guess since we have been extremely lucky not to have imploded worrying about all the accolades and the streaks and the records for almost 3 years(first one was unexpected), it's bound to happen this week as all the coaches and players finally wake up from their success-induced stupor and start showing their uppity 4a roots and revert to the mean. maybe this is the week we start on the 1-60 streak to get back to 500, where everyone thought we'd be in 02. i'm just glad my kids got their rings and don't have to suffer the embarrassments.

Great we have you right where we want you!

[drgnbkr]

Okay, we heard you...you don't have to yell...where exactly are you getting blowout? This is the fourth round of the playoffs..I know it's been a long time for you guys but everybody is pretty good at this point...why don't you stop spewing about blowouts & talk about the game..you know, styles, etc.?

[WildcatFan]

Okay, we heard you...you don't have to yell...where exactly are you getting blowout? This is the fourth round of the playoffs..I know it's been a long time for you guys but everybody is pretty good at this point...why don't you stop spewing about blowouts & talk about the game..you know, styles, etc.?

Well I am not the one spewing blowouts, I have been responding to some not all SLC fans claiming this is merely a speedbump game and a blow out against Plano is certain.

1. I have never claimed Plano will win or loose!

2. I have never claimed that Plano if they do win would win by a blow out!

I agree that the topics of subject should turn to styles of play but all SLC wants to chant is no matter the style we are going to blow you out.

You have the same M.O. whenever someone brings up a valid point your fans say it doesn't matter we will destroy that as we have always done!

Well good then maybe you will, but then again maybe you won't.

[BAMF cowboy]

Well I am not the one spewing blowouts, I have been responding to some not all SLC fans claiming this is merely a speedbump game and a blow out against Plano is certain.

1. I have never claimed Plano will win or loose!

2. I have never claimed that Plano if they do win would win by a blow out!

I agree that the topics of subject should turn to styles of play but all SLC wants to chant is no matter the style we are going to blow you out.

You have the same M.O. whenever someone brings up a valid point your fans say it doesn't matter we will destroy that as we have always done!

Well good then maybe you will, but then again maybe you won't.


you are quite right. none of the dragon nation expected the scare we got from abilene last year. but for a personal opinion, the way we've been rolling i just dont see us slowing down

[drgnbkr]

Well I am not the one spewing blowouts, I have been responding to some not all SLC fans claiming this is merely a speedbump game and a blow out against Plano is certain.

1. I have never claimed Plano will win or loose!

2. I have never claimed that Plano if they do win would win by a blow out!

I agree that the topics of subject should turn to styles of play but all SLC wants to chant is no matter the style we are going to blow you out.

You have the same M.O. whenever someone brings up a valid point your fans say it doesn't matter we will destroy that as we have always done!

Well good then maybe you will, but then again maybe you won't.

This is a forum, meaning a disscussion board..Everybody gets to have an opinion..mine is that blowouts like the Abilene game are rare at this point in the playoffs..a closer game is the norm..but they are playing very different styles..so anything can happen.

[FeeltheHaka]

I dub this game the "Metroplex nuvo riche bowl." SLC will win. How can one compete with the money and resources? i.e. parents who are former NFL that help out at practice. My prediction is that Plano will be upset about this, and raise the funds to build a bigger and better facility than SLC. :D

[BAMF cowboy]

I dub this game the "Metroplex nuvo riche bowl." SLC will win. How can one compete with the money and resources? i.e. parents who are former NFL that help out at practice. My prediction is that Plano will be upset about this, and raise the funds to build a bigger and better facility than SLC. :D

a very ignorant statement i must say

[toonman]

a very ignorant statement i must say

I would say this is in bad taste, insulting to the players and coaching staff of both teams, especially coming from a Euless Trinity fan, who posting name refers to the haka, which we are told has built team spirit, togetherness and has helped the team bond. Being from a state semi-finalist, I would have thought he would know that money does not buy a great team or state title. Practice, dedication, coaching, playing as a team, for each other, etc etc. is what wins games and state titles. I know for fact that this is what both Plano and SLC are taking to Texas Stadium on Saturday, not a suitcase full of money.

[zippy]

Got to see Plano Saturday, so I guess I will put in my opinion on this one. If Plano played bad in this game, please let me know, otherwise:

Plano-10
SLC-42 -However, didnt get to see much Plano pass coverage. If it is very good, I will say SLC-28 to 35.

Also, SLC get ready, cause Plano has some HITTERS on that team. They were laying the wood on Midland runners.

[zippy]

Wanted to add, Plano does seem to have what it takes if they can avoid turnovers, and slow the SLC pass. They will run the ball against SLC (with sucess), and if they gameplan is correct, and executed the entire game, Plano, like a few other teams this year, can make it a close game. Or win it. If not, look out..

[Maroon Cathead]

The bitterness of Sakatha is understandable. On paper, Plano had no business beating some of the teams that it did in 1986. For instance, North Mesquite and L.D. Bell had monster teams that year. Yet, somehow, Plano found a way to beat both of them.

Dragonsdaddy is right; this is a fun match up. Two good teams with strong defenses and polar opposite offensive attacks: Southlake Carroll's spread offense versus Plano's option oriented rushing attack.

On paper, Southlake Carroll has to be considered a heavy favorite. I put them at least as 21 point favorites. I'm just hoping Plano can score in the first half; that's been a problem for Southlake Carroll's prior three playoff opponents.

[You're Marooned]

Wow! You SLC fans are hardcore! I don't see how some of you can predict a huge blowout. These two teams have two common opponents this year in Allen and PESH. Plano beats Allen 45-7; SLC 45-15. Similar result, keep in mind that Plano is a running team, and scoring 45 points is rare, unlike SLC. SLC beat PESH 31-0 and Plano beat them 24-7. PESH lives to beat Plano, that's almost all they care about. I know, I went there.

I don't want to predict a win for either team, but I will predict that it WILL NOT be a blowout either way.

[crunked9]

I'd like to quote the great Yogi Berra of the New York Yankees!

"It ain't bragg'n if you can do it!"

And we have done it and SLC will do it on friday! No one can stop this team! and no one will! They are good! Very Good!!


If Carroll scores in the first 3 mins of the game it will be over

[crunked9]

AAHHH i'm gonna have to say Dragons 140 - Plano 3!

[UT66]

I dont think SLC gets it until they play Katy!

[implacable44]

i've said it before and i'll say it again

Teams just don't get it until they play us.

Except Lufkin and SV...they've learned


Did Katy learn too ?

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

AAHHH i'm gonna have to say Dragons 140 - Plano 3!

You also said Midland would win 42-10 and also SGP to win as well. So obviously your predictions arent' very accurate.

Keep picking them to lose. It seems to help.

[dragonfootballfan]

You also said Midland would win 42-10 and also SGP to win as well. So obviously your predictions arent' very accurate.

Keep picking them to lose. It seems to help.
he did not say any of those things. Look up his posts

[dragonman88]

With respect to Plano, this is the last game for the Wildcats. They just do not have the defense to stop the Dragons. Pick your poison, and lets get it on. Plano will have a hard time moving the ball all day, they might get lucky and break some play open, but it will not be there day to shine.


SLC--- 42

PSHS--- 13

[Jive Turkey]

Grapevine took SLC down to the wire. Granted, from what I read, there were a lot of things that factored in, but it did go to show that any team on any given day can be taken to the limit. It is possible that Plano can beat SLC on Saturday. I give the Cats a 2 in 10 chance.

If Plano and SLC played 10 times on a neutral field, I think Plano could play mistake-free ball and control the clock in 2 games and come out on top. As dominant as SLC is, Plano is 13-0 and was every bit as dominant as SLC was in the two games against common opponents (PESH and Allen). Just two completely ways of dominating an opponent. Full out assault v. grind 'em up and spit 'em out.

In the other 8 games, Plano would probably turn the ball over one too many times, and SLC would make them pay through the air, and the onslaught would be on.

For us Plano fans, we have to hope that Saturday is one of those 2 purr-fect games (ok, that was cheesy).

:D

[ASH1157]

The very thing that has helped Plano achieve the success they've achieved this season will be the same thing that will doom them in this game -- emotion. If Plano wins the toss and gets the ball first, they may even score first. But, if SLC wins the toss...watch out.

SLC is far too disciplined of a team to be beaten - this year or any year. I still remained shocked that they got beaten two years ago. That, I think, was a fluke.

All that being said, I can't wait for the day when they do go down. I hate dynasties.

[Fleeman93]

Plano has the tools to beat a very good SLC team, but the question is will they use them. To beat SLC you have to have a great running game, which Plano has and you have to be able to play defense. I'm not saying Plano will win, but they do have the tools.

Side Note - Will be interesting to see how the SLC defense matches up against an offensive style that hey haven't seen this year.

[TrojanHorse03]

What does that say about Trinity? You lose at home by 7 to SGP, SGP loses to Plano by 7 neutral field and you say that SL beats Plano by 35? That means they stomp on the HAKA LOOGIE :) and beat Trinity by 49. Is that what your saying? :rolleyes:

Your right Plano has no chance whatsoever. Nothing to lose. SLC can play all their backups and beat Plano by 14. :D

To be the best you have to beat the best!! Keep piling it on poor old outmanned Plano.

LOL I'm gonna resist the temptation and provide all of yall with the unbiased truth as I AM NOT pulling for either teams. So here we go Plano is better than Allen, Irving Mac, and Abilene. Southlake defense IS better than last year but they have NOT played any "power" running teams. They have played some teams that do lean towards the run in Coppell and Midland Lee but didnt dominate. However Plano isnt completely a power running team, their slightly different as they are an option running team which means assigment football, which Southlake is actually pretty good at. The primary ball carrier in this case is a qb as opposed to a back and they like to attack the perimeter more with the option and sweep. In conclusion after seeing both teams...Justin Jordan needs to be the focal point of the offensive gameplan more then Sfikas if Plano is to win. Plano's defense actually is their better unit and actually the number 1 reason their undefeated to the point. However against Southlakes offense IT IS NOT enough to have a good defense you must have a aggressive, diverse, and sound gameplan. Here's the thing Plano CAN win but Southlake should be favored. However this week I give the intagibles to Plano, because going on Xs and Os I was sure they would lose to SGP, however the have found a way all year to win by any means necessary, even if it wasnt always so cosmetic.

[TrojanHorse03]

Plano has the tools to beat a very good SLC team, but the question is will they use them.

That is the question, because this game will get ugly IF Sfikas doesnt take care of the ball, or if the the Wildcats r sloppy in any phase of the game.

[reed35]

IMO it all starts with the coaches.
I am not sure Brence will let DC Smith get as aggressive as he needs to. I think their "bend and don't break" will get them beat. SLC has been beating those defenses for years now.
Second: I am not sure what DB's can stay with SLC receivers.
I agree that if they plan it right and play it right, they have a chance. Smith will have to flexible and change as Dodge will adjust also.
I hope they prepare well as this will be like no one else we played so far.

[Fleeman93]

Reed,

"Bend don't break" is the only defense that has beat SLC since they have been in 5A.

[Jive Turkey]

I'm reminded of Super Bowl XXXVI - St. Louis v. New England. St. Louis came in with the Greatest Show on Turf. An unbelievable aerial assault. Nobody thought New England could beat them, but they did. The key? Every time one of St. Louis's small wide receivers made a catch (Issac Bruce, Torry Holt, Ricky Proehl, Az-Hakim), a New England DB like Lawyer Milloy or Ty Law or Terrell Buckley was there to pop him in the mouth. Hard. The Rams receivers thought twice about catching the ball. The Rams still threw for a lot of yards, but the Patriots D didn't break, and even scored a TD on an INT.

Plano's D will have to do the same thing. Hit the SLC receivers hard. Get an INT or 2. Bend, but don't break.

I know, I know. Easier said than done. If Plano's D can't get it done, SLC could put up a lot of points in a hurry and the rout will be on.

[Fleeman93]

The #1 objective of a secondary that is going to play SLC should be to not allow the receivers to get behind you. I don't care if you are so slow that you have to give them a 15 yard cushion. Do not let them get behind you. When they catch the ball they will get some yards then you pound them, but you know what, they have to line up and do it again. If you let them get behind you they are good enough to make it 1 an done everytime.

[ALLIN]

It cracks me up to hear that you think you will be the first team to want to pop SLC in the mouth when they get the ball. Do you know how hated we are by every team we play? They all want to hit us in the outh, some do, and then we get right back up and the next rec is in and burns then deep, while they are still thinking about the BIG hit they just had. Good luck with this stategy. We are used to getting the best when we play people.

[Sakatha]

SLC defense doesn't get near the respect it deserves.

Plano better mix it up a bit, because running 50x against this D isn't gonna get it done.

My advice? Pray you win the coin toss. Pray you don't go 3 and out. Pray you take 10 mins off the clock in the 1st quarter.

~DnM

[reed35]

Reed,

"Bend don't break" is the only defense that has beat SLC since they have been in 5A.

glad i am wrong

[PantherStang84]

Do you know how hated we are by every team we play?

Not every team you play hates you. Does SLC frustrate the hell out of us?

YES!

But we don't hate you.:D

[ALLIN]

My point was, everyone wants to hit us in the mouth and they all think that will win them the game. SLC has been there done that.

[dragonsdaddy]

I'm reminded of Super Bowl XXXVI - St. Louis v. New England. St. Louis came in with the Greatest Show on Turf. An unbelievable aerial assault. Nobody thought New England could beat them, but they did. The key? Every time one of St. Louis's small wide receivers made a catch (Issac Bruce, Torry Holt, Ricky Proehl, Az-Hakim), a New England DB like Lawyer Milloy or Ty Law or Terrell Buckley was there to pop him in the mouth. Hard. The Rams receivers thought twice about catching the ball. The Rams still threw for a lot of yards, but the Patriots D didn't break, and even scored a TD on an INT.

Plano's D will have to do the same thing. Hit the SLC receivers hard. Get an INT or 2. Bend, but don't break.

I know, I know. Easier said than done. If Plano's D can't get it done, SLC could put up a lot of points in a hurry and the rout will be on.

the problem with this philosophy is the lack of long term preparation, for the defense. did the plano db's practice at all last week playing bump and run? it is the most demanding of coverages and is something that few hs db's ever learn how to do well, much less adeptly. on the other hand the slc receivers spend several 15 minute drills every day beating the b&r. one of the drawbacks to this offense in college and the pros, is the improvement in skills of the db's. i know my middle son would salivate at the thought of a cb getting in his face. he has been known to mention rather matter of factly, that "you need to back up" right before he would leave the cb grasping for air, and him heading for paydirt. and he only had 3 years with dodge's coaches. maybe the dr cb's weren't as good as the plano's, but they do practice against the spread every day, and they were unsuccessful. maybe i'm off base here, but i doubt it.

[implacable44]

the problem with this philosophy is the lack of long term preparation, for the defense. did the plano db's practice at all last week playing bump and run? it is the most demanding of coverages and is something that few hs db's ever learn how to do well, much less adeptly. on the other hand the slc receivers spend several 15 minute drills every day beating the b&r. one of the drawbacks to this offense in college and the pros, is the improvement in skills of the db's. i know my middle son would salivate at the thought of a cb getting in his face. he has been known to mention rather matter of factly, that "you need to back up" right before he would leave the cb grasping for air, and him heading for paydirt. and he only had 3 years with dodge's coaches. maybe the dr cb's weren't as good as the plano's, but they do practice against the spread every day, and they were unsuccessful. maybe i'm off base here, but i doubt it.

is that why your son and all the other speedy receivers from SLC are on the fast track to the NFL ?

look you have to pressure the QB - keep the receivers in front of you and control the ball on offense. The more time your offense is on the field moving the ball for long, clock eating drives - the better off you will be. The quicker you make Mcelroy make his read the better off you will be.

[Favpack]

is that why your son and all the other speedy receivers from SLC are on the fast track to the NFL ?

look you have to pressure the QB - keep the receivers in front of you and control the ball on offense. The more time your offense is on the field moving the ball for long, clock eating drives - the better off you will be. The quicker you make Mcelroy make his read the better off you will be.

More love to give Implac:rolleyes: -- we're not talking pro prospects here - we're talking wr's leaving db's in the dust like they're feet are in concrete. Even more impressive is the fact that most of the SLC wr's DON'T go on to become big time college players. Superior coaching, gameplans, training and discipline.

Sure, McElroy looks more average running for his life. How many sacks does he have this year? In '02 - Lufkin was fortunate to sack Wasson twice I believe - with several other hurries. His sack total before that game in 14 prior games? ZERO.

Easier said than done though I do agree with you.

[implacable44]

More love to give Implac:rolleyes: -- we're not talking pro prospects here - we're talking wr's leaving db's in the dust like they're feet are in concrete. Even more impressive is the fact that most of the SLC wr's DON'T go on to become big time college players. Superior coaching, gameplans, training and discipline.

Sure, McElroy looks more average running for his life. How many sacks does he have this year? In '02 - Lufkin was fortunate to sack Wasson twice I believe - with several other hurries. His sack total before that game in 14 prior games? ZERO.

Easier said than done though I do agree with you.

Hey Fav - you can only listen to so much of that garbage until your head implodes - SLC's greatest asset without a doubt is coaching -- that system and discipline from an early age - the mindset. They have a good thing going. I really hope they win it this year for all the nice people I know in Southlake and some of the players I know - but it is just as easy to root against them.
I know it is easier said than done but there are teams that have done it before and it will be done again. Like I said before they are 2 plays away from not having any state championships and one play away from having three.

[crunked9]

AAHHH i'm gonna have to say Dragons 140 - Plano 3!


AAAH thats only half-time! Final score Dragons 342- AAhh Plano 4!

[Sakatha]

Hey Fav - you can only listen to so much of that garbage until your head implodes - SLC's greatest asset without a doubt is coaching -- that system and discipline from an early age - the mindset. They have a good thing going. I really hope they win it this year for all the nice people I know in Southlake and some of the players I know - but it is just as easy to root against them.
I know it is easier said than done but there are teams that have done it before and it will be done again. Like I said before they are 2 plays away from not having any state championships and one play away from having three.

You might be right except for the fact that SLC flat out destroyed SV the first time around. Alot more than 1 play away from losing that one.

~DnM

[Trojan22]

Anything can happen on any given day. I am Trinity Fan and Carroll is always the favorite. But remember Grapevine almost beat SLC, so its possible to beat them. Grapevine would have won if Anthony Ford didn't pick that pass. That was just a quarterback that choked. My money is on SLC, but you never know.

The one thing I wish would happen is after SLC wins State and my boys (Euless Trinity) win State. I wish they would but a game together, my coaches are up for it I have already asked them.

Not saying who will win, because every year there is a team people say will beat SLC, but it would be a high scoring game.

[Favpack]

You might be right except for the fact that SLC flat out destroyed SV the first time around. Alot more than 1 play away from losing that one.

~DnM

Did you miss the semi's that year Sak? Yep, a tipped pass here, a deflected pass there - and Lufkin goes back to back. But, you are correct about the final.

[Sakatha]

Did you miss the semi's that year Sak? Yep, a tipped pass here, a deflected pass there - and Lufkin goes back to back. But, you are correct about the final.

After I posted it, I figured maybe it was refering to the semi-final game..

My bad there.

I was going strictly on Finals.. :)

~DnM

[dragonsdaddy]

i'm guessing your coaches had some free time with the bye last week to muse on the impossible. they know that the uil doesn't allow such things. besides, when the tiger is on the other side of the cage, it never hurts to be fearless.

[implacable44]

Anything can happen on any given day. I am Trinity Fan and Carroll is always the favorite. But remember Grapevine almost beat SLC, so its possible to beat them. Grapevine would have won if Anthony Ford didn't pick that pass. That was just a quarterback that choked. My money is on SLC, but you never know.

The one thing I wish would happen is after SLC wins State and my boys (Euless Trinity) win State. I wish they would but a game together, my coaches are up for it I have already asked them.

Not saying who will win, because every year there is a team people say will beat SLC, but it would be a high scoring game.

What makes you think Trinity is going to win State? After your secondary got exposed as bad as it did ? - You better hope you don't play a team that throws the ball or else you will be out. If Trinity did play SLC they would have to score everytime they touched the ball because Southlake would and they would score in 1 and 2 minute possessions

[implacable44]

i'm guessing your coaches had some free time with the bye last week to muse on the impossible. they know that the uil doesn't allow such things. besides, when the tiger is on the other side of the cage, it never hurts to be fearless.


the bye ? SLC has had nothing but byes so far this year.

[SLC Dragon Fan]

Anything can happen on any given day. I am Trinity Fan and Carroll is always the favorite. But remember Grapevine almost beat SLC, so its possible to beat them. Grapevine would have won if Anthony Ford didn't pick that pass. That was just a quarterback that choked. My money is on SLC, but you never know.

The one thing I wish would happen is after SLC wins State and my boys (Euless Trinity) win State. I wish they would but a game together, my coaches are up for it I have already asked them.

Not saying who will win, because every year there is a team people say will beat SLC, but it would be a high scoring game.


Are you clairvoyant? How do you know that Grapevine would have beat SLC if Anthony Ford didn't pick that pass. I'll give you that it's possible that Grapevine would have won but remember they still had 30 yards to go to get a TD with no timeouts and only about a minute left on the clock. They were hardly assured of winning the game if the quarterback hadn't "choked" as you said. BTW, did you see the reply of that pick? I did and I would say it was more a case of a great defensive play by Ford thatn a QB choking.

[WildcatFan]

the problem with this philosophy is the lack of long term preparation, for the defense. did the plano db's practice at all last week playing bump and run? it is the most demanding of coverages and is something that few hs db's ever learn how to do well, much less adeptly. on the other hand the slc receivers spend several 15 minute drills every day beating the b&r. one of the drawbacks to this offense in college and the pros, is the improvement in skills of the db's. i know my middle son would salivate at the thought of a cb getting in his face. he has been known to mention rather matter of factly, that "you need to back up" right before he would leave the cb grasping for air, and him heading for paydirt. and he only had 3 years with dodge's coaches. maybe the dr cb's weren't as good as the plano's, but they do practice against the spread every day, and they were unsuccessful. maybe i'm off base here, but i doubt it.

IMHO I think Plano will focus on not giving up the deep ball and will give SLC some room.

This is a "Hobson's Choice" or for those of you not educated a choice between two bad things!

If Plano protects the deep ball SLC will certainly pick Plano apart on the 5-10 yard outs, stops, curls and slants.

If Plano can protect the deep ball and make tackles on the short routes this will slow SLC down which is obviously what we want.

We may even pick one off and force a fumble which is what Plano is good at as well, although I will give props to SLC who does a good job protecting the ball and executes routs to a T, no rounding off routes or getting lazy. I think that is what hurt Midland's passing game the recievers were a bit lazy, but not in the case of SLC.

I think this will be the key to the Plano defense protect the deep ball and play the short routes the best you can. I do not think anyone respects SLC's running game, but the stats tell a different story actually they are not bad at that either although not as good as Luna. I think Plano should be able to shut down SLC's run game pretty well as SLC's runner is no Baron Batch that was the best back I have seen all season and we were able to hold him pretty well.

[PHL4SLC]

Did Katy learn too ?

Kinda funny how people on here can only point out 2 games to shove in the Dragons face . . . Katy in 2003 and Grapevine in 2005

[Fleeman93]

It cracks me up to hear that you think you will be the first team to want to pop SLC in the mouth when they get the ball. Do you know how hated we are by every team we play? They all want to hit us in the outh, some do, and then we get right back up and the next rec is in and burns then deep, while they are still thinking about the BIG hit they just had. Good luck with this stategy. We are used to getting the best when we play people.

I'm not saying it is new for teams to want to pop SLC in the mouth. What I am saying is that having the chance to pop them in the mouth, bend their back in half, cut their legs on a high ball, helicopter them between two defenders, or just knocking them senseless is much better than letting them get 3 yards deep and catch a perfectly thrown ball for a long score. Looking back at the SLC vs Katy game of 03 I think Katy only gave up one long ball and that was early on. Katy shut the long ball down and forced SLC to drive the field which they couldn't do very well. You just can't let them beat you deep.

[BAMF cowboy]

they also have an uncanny ability to turn 'small plays' into touchdowns

[rancher52]

they also have an uncanny ability to turn 'small plays' into touchdowns
I think what you point out is what makes it so difficult. If you try to take away the deep threat by giving up the shorter underneath routes, they kill you with yac. After watching them a couple of times a year for 6 years, I have concluded that is the worst thing to give up..... it probably is futile but I think you take your chances on the long routes and try to get enough pressure to disrupt the short routes.... in 5-5a the distric has not really had the most physical of corners to play them tough enough (for several years). That is a skill and position that most likely is learned much later in life. It is not an easy task no matter what strategy is used.

[WILDCAT27]

AAAH thats only half-time! Final score Dragons 342- AAhh Plano 4!

plano's defense wont let yall have a blowout. and IF plano doesnt win, the wildcats definately hold it to at least a 14 point game

[dragonbuck]

I'm reminded of Super Bowl XXXVI - St. Louis v. New England. St. Louis came in with the Greatest Show on Turf. An unbelievable aerial assault. Nobody thought New England could beat them, but they did. The key? Every time one of St. Louis's small wide receivers made a catch (Issac Bruce, Torry Holt, Ricky Proehl, Az-Hakim), a New England DB like Lawyer Milloy or Ty Law or Terrell Buckley was there to pop him in the mouth. Hard. The Rams receivers thought twice about catching the ball. The Rams still threw for a lot of yards, but the Patriots D didn't break, and even scored a TD on an INT.

Plano's D will have to do the same thing. Hit the SLC receivers hard. Get an INT or 2. Bend, but don't break.

I know, I know. Easier said than done. If Plano's D can't get it done, SLC could put up a lot of points in a hurry and the rout will be on.

J.T.,
have you seen Carroll's receivers? Of the 7 or 8 that see a lot of playing time, 3 of them (Allen, Smiter, Jacobson) are built like linebackers. They are often the one's that are delivering the hits to DB's, not the other way around.

I expect a good game, but our receivers taking a hit will not be an issue.

[BigFanSLC]

plano's defense wont let yall have a blowout. and IF plano doesnt win, the wildcats definately hold it to at least a 14 point game


Carroll's D will keep the Wildcats under 17 points, and Carroll's O scores 35-ish

[dragonbuck]

is that why your son and all the other speedy receivers from SLC are on the fast track to the NFL ?

look you have to pressure the QB - keep the receivers in front of you and control the ball on offense. The more time your offense is on the field moving the ball for long, clock eating drives - the better off you will be. The quicker you make Mcelroy make his read the better off you will be.

There may be none in NFL today, but one is a leading Iowa receiver today, and 5 (that's right 5) of our Senior receivers from this year's team will get D1 scholarships (Smiter, Jacobson, Allen, Fentriss and Renfro).

Not too shabby.

[drgnbkr]

Nobodys mentioned YAC (yards after the catch) for those of you in C.Cove.:D Carrolls receivers, as a group, undoubtedly lead the state in that category...

[dragonfootballfan]

Anything can happen on any given day. I am Trinity Fan and Carroll is always the favorite. But remember Grapevine almost beat SLC, so its possible to beat them. Grapevine would have won if Anthony Ford didn't pick that pass. That was just a quarterback that choked. My money is on SLC, but you never know.

you can say that it is possible to beat them after they get beat this year, not after they are almost beat. We already know that it is possible to beat Trinity this year. For Carroll we will have to see if anyone does beat them

[dragonsdaddy]

you can say that it is possible to beat them after they get beat this year, not after they are almost beat. We already know that it is possible to beat Trinity this year. For Carroll we will have to see if anyone does beat them
maybe the dig should be, it is possible to almost beat carroll this year. i'll certainly buy that. i think we all would. does that mean there should be an asterisk after their 16-0 record(*-almost got beat)?

[dragonfootballfan]

maybe the dig should be, it is possible to almost beat carroll this year. i'll certainly buy that. i think we all would. does that mean there should be an asterisk after their 16-0 record(*-almost got beat)?
there most certainly should. A Carroll win can only be counted if it is by atleast 20 points. I mean I think that there is already an asterisk next to the 2004 team proclaiming Smithson Valley the champion

[Butch Fifield]

does that mean there should be an asterisk after their 16-0 record(*-almost got beat)?

i still have my own personal asterisk next to that Plano-Lufkin game a few years ago.

I know nobody else gives a crap, but it makes me feel good.

[graveyardpoet]

you can say that it is possible to beat them after they get beat this year, not after they are almost beat. We already know that it is possible to beat Trinity this year. For Carroll we will have to see if anyone does beat them

So by your logic, you cannot say that Plano is beatable.

[dragonsdaddy]

So by your logic, you cannot say that Plano is beatable.
until proven otherwise, both are almost beatable.

[Favpack]

Hey DD - did you guys wear facemasks back during the day?;) -- Yep - but maybe you wore a tear-away jersey as you were running that wishbone?

[dragonsdaddy]

i remember my first play helmet had one of those plexiglass things like you see on the old newsreels. and i remember being impressed with tommy mcdonald who was the last nfler to play without one. the tear aways were big while i was in college. plano didn't have the funds to replace one much less 10-15 a year. but earl and roosevelt leaks went thru a passel of them.

[reed35]

There is a great article in the DMN today about SLC and Plano.
Hats off and salute to both schools, staff, students, and mostly the parents that come out and support their kids so much. I believe will see the 2 most storied schools in the D/FW area and this will be great day for TX high school football.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/highschools/

[FeeltheHaka]

a very ignorant statement i must say

Sorry for the slow reply, I don't have a lot of free time, and have been traveling on business.

First, look up the word ignorant. Your misuse of the word was ignorant.
Tell me something that I posted that wasn't true. I'm not knocking the SLC program. Believe You/me, all other programs, especially Trinity benefit immensly from the SLC knowledge. I believe it makes the entire state better.
Also, I indirectly know Coach Dodge, and think he is probably one of the best coaches ever to coach Texas Football. The nicest thing about Coach Dodge is that he hardly credits himself. You can not deny that the state of the art SLC facilities, which is better than most NFL teams. The equipment and padding the players have, (mostly bought by the parents,) and all the other resources such as speed and strength coaches are highly responsible for Southlakes success. Take these things away, and no way SLC is near as good as they are. This is not ignorance, but pretty close to; but not quite a fact. You will beat Plano by about 35, and as I predicted; the parents at Plano will find a way to come up with the same resources the SLC has. Now we both know the Mentality that each community has for one ups-man-ship. This can't be denied, nor is it ignorant. The DMN article that reed35 posted implies exactly what I posted just the same, with some sugar coating.

Now for the other poster who compared the Haka to the resources at SLC; I can tell you there is no comparison. Also, this thread is about Plano vs. SLC, not Trinity.

[dragonfootballfan]

Sorry for the slow reply, I don't have a lot of free time, and have been traveling on business.

First, look up the word ignorant. Your misuse of the word was ignorant.
Tell me something that I posted that wasn't true. I'm not knocking the SLC program. Believe You/me, all other programs, especially Trinity benefit immensly from the SLC knowledge. I believe it makes the entire state better.
Also, I indirectly know Coach Dodge, and think he is probably one of the best coaches ever to coach Texas Football. The nicest thing about Coach Dodge is that he hardly credits himself. You can not deny that the state of the art SLC facilities, which is better than most NFL teams. The equipment and padding the players have, (mostly bought by the parents,) and all the other resources such as speed and strength coaches are highly responsible for Southlakes success. Take these things away, and no way SLC is near as good as they are. This is not ignorance, but pretty close to; but not quite a fact. You will beat Plano by about 35, and as I predicted; the parents at Plano will find a way to come up with the same resources the SLC has. Now we both know the Mentality that each community has for one ups-man-ship. This can't be denied, nor is it ignorant. The DMN article that reed35 posted implies exactly what I posted just the same, with some sugar coating.

Now for the other poster who compared the Haka to the resources at SLC; I can tell you there is no comparison. Also, this thread is about Plano vs. SLC, not Trinity.
to all schools that want to have a great football team:

All you have to do is buy the best facilities. It does not matter how good your coaches are and how good the kids on the team are. As long as they have the best facilities and their parents buy the best pads, which I have not seen done at Carroll, they will be good. Don't worry about having a good work ethic or practicing hard. It won't matter unless you have a lot of money and good facilities

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

to all schools that want to have a great football team:

All you have to do is buy the best facilities. It does not matter how good your coaches are and how good the kids on the team are. As long as they have the best facilities and their parents buy the best pads, which I have not seen done at Carroll, they will be good. Don't worry about having a good work ethic or practicing hard. It won't matter unless you have a lot of money and good facilities


I agree! BUY! BUY! BUY!.
Last time a checked Garland has 8 highschools and 4 stadiums. NOt a wealthly district. No indoor facilites etc. Garland was able to win a state championship a few years ago.

HAKA LOOGIE is just upset that Trinity hasn't crossed over into the promise land called State Champs!!

[SLCDad]

Sorry for the slow reply, I don't have a lot of free time, and have been traveling on business.

First, look up the word ignorant. Your misuse of the word was ignorant.
Tell me something that I posted that wasn't true. I'm not knocking the SLC program. . .No . . he was correct. Your original post was a bit ignorant.

[WildcatFan]

to all schools that want to have a great football team:

All you have to do is buy the best facilities. It does not matter how good your coaches are and how good the kids on the team are. As long as they have the best facilities and their parents buy the best pads, which I have not seen done at Carroll, they will be good. Don't worry about having a good work ethic or practicing hard. It won't matter unless you have a lot of money and good facilities

Folks all of you are missing this boat on this, its not just facilities that make good teams.

In fact Plano already has some of the most modern up to date facilities in the Area if not the state or country.

Let's review!

John Clark and Tom Kimbrough both are top notch facilities (except for Clark's turf)

All three HS West, Pesh and the senior high have abundant practice fields and each program has a $20 million dollar indoor facility with up to date weight rooms 60 yd new turf fields and on and on and on.

Our city is one of the weathiest (maybe still is) 5A districts in the state. All 3 schools have top-notch booster clubs and our parents fork over thousands each year for camps and training programs.

I would argure that facilities and camps are not holding these teams back.

The problem is simple, we are a three school district and SLC is one. I am not implying this is an excuse for us not being as successful as SLC if this was the case then Allen would be playing us this week instead of SLC.

But its does have an impact, When West opened and the district was re-aligned it put the bite on the Senior High not East. We saw the effect of this two years ago when we went 0-10 and West was emerging as the dominate team of PISD. Now the tables have turned and we are on top.

My guess is its going to ebb and flow based on the talent draw of each cluster zone, some years East and West will be better sometines West and the Senior High will be better sometimes we will all be good and other years just average.

The only way to solve this is to combine all three schools in to one 15,000 student HS create 6A football level and we will win state every year guaranteed.

But building new sports facilities is not going to win state for Plano

[FeeltheHaka]

to all schools that want to have a great football team:

All you have to do is buy the best facilities. It does not matter how good your coaches are and how good the kids on the team are. As long as they have the best facilities and their parents buy the best pads, which I have not seen done at Carroll, they will be good. Don't worry about having a good work ethic or practicing hard. It won't matter unless you have a lot of money and good facilities


Now you're taking my post out of context. You can deny all you want to. Give these resources, as well as others that I did not post to all other schools, and yes; the other schools will be good. Also, they will have the inspiration to have the work ethic. Like I said I am not knocking the program.
I defend it regularly to others who are bitter about what SLC has. In conversations with others, some people don't even believe it when they hear about the Football resources at SLC. An out of state vendor of mine heard about SLC in a Sports magazine was amazed to the point that I took him over to Southlake, and to a game. His mouth was agape all the way back to his home state. Not to mention the NFL players who were at the game. Like I said, I am stating facts and not knocking on anyone. I originally posted this to give my reason why SLC will beat Plano by at least 35 points, and my light-hearted post about naming the game the "Metroplex nuvo riche bowl." Come on laugh a little. This is Texas high school football. Not Golf.

[WildcatFan]

Folks all of you are missing this boat on this, its not just facilities that make good teams.

In fact Plano already has some of the most modern up to date facilities in the Area if not the state or country.

Let's review!

John Clark and Tom Kimbrough both are top notch facilities (except for Clark's turf)

All three HS West, Pesh and the senior high have abundant practice fields and each program has a $20 million dollar indoor facility with up to date weight rooms 60 yd new turf fields and on and on and on.

Our city is one of the weathiest (maybe still is) 5A districts in the state. All 3 schools have top-notch booster clubs and our parents fork over thousands each year for camps and training programs.

I would argure that facilities and camps are not holding these teams back.

The problem is simple, we are a three school district and SLC is one. I am not implying this is an excuse for us not being as successful as SLC if this was the case then Allen would be playing us this week instead of SLC.

But its does have an impact, When West opened and the district was re-aligned it put the bite on the Senior High not East. We saw the effect of this two years ago when we went 0-10 and West was emerging as the dominate team of PISD. Now the tables have turned and we are on top.

My guess is its going to ebb and flow based on the talent draw of each cluster zone, some years East and West will be better sometines West and the Senior High will be better sometimes we will all be good and other years just average.

The only way to solve this is to combine all three schools in to one 15,000 student HS create 6A football level and we will win state every year guaranteed.

But building new sports facilities is not going to win state for Plano

By the way dragonfootbalfan this post was not directed at you as I had my sarcasim meter on.

SLC is better for two reasons.

1. They have a great system that works for them with good kids who work hard no disputing that.

2. I do believe you do benefit by having one school, but this alone cannot be used as an excuse by us folks in Plano, Irving Arlington etc.

I think facilities enhance and certainly do not hurt but its not the sole reason you are successful.

[toonman]

No . . he was correct. Your original post was a bit ignorant.

The orginal quote drawing the comment 'ignorant' is :-

"I dub this game the "Metroplex nuvo riche bowl." SLC will win. How can one compete with the money and resources? i.e. parents who are former NFL that help out at practice. My prediction is that Plano will be upset about this, and raise the funds to build a bigger and better facility than SLC".

I said in an earlier post perhaps ignorant is the wrong word. I said 'insulting' or perhaps 'churlish' would be better word to describe the post. Yes, both school districts are affluent, but it takes more than wealth to be successful, you need boys who want to play the game. What makes for great programs, such as SLC and Plano are elements such as parental involvement, the SLC playing system installed in all Carroll schools, boys who are committed to being the best, parents who support this notion, parents who volunteer time to be involved, a wholly involved community and coaching staff. It is probably the coaching which makes the difference between SLC being a good program and SLC being the premier program in Texas 5A. If success is a factor of wealth, how come Colleyville Heritage has never won a State Championship?

[dragonfootballfan]

Now you're taking my post out of context. You can deny all you want to. Give these resources, as well as others that I did not post to all other schools, and yes; the other schools will be good. Also, they will have the inspiration to have the work ethic. Like I said I am not knocking the program.
I defend it regularly to others who are bitter about what SLC has. In conversations with others, some people don't even believe it when they hear about the Football resources at SLC. An out of state vendor of mine heard about SLC in a Sports magazine was amazed to the point that I took him over to Southlake, and to a game. His mouth was agape all the way back to his home state. Not to mention the NFL players who were at the game. Like I said, I am stating facts and not knocking on anyone. I originally posted this to give my reason why SLC will beat Plano by at least 35 points, and my light-hearted post about naming the game the "Metroplex nuvo riche bowl." Come on laugh a little. This is Texas high school football. Not Golf.
You are the one that credited carroll's success to their facilities not me. I just wanted to point out that good facilities do not necessarily make a good team.

[dragonsdaddy]

very few if any slc folk will even admit that they were ever for the splitting of the high schools, but as few as 4 years ago, it was touch and go whether the namby pambies around here, who couldn't bear the thought of little donnie having to work hard and succeed to get his letter jacket and participation patch, came close to killing the goose that lays the state championship trophies(i bet that hurts). it would have been touted by the bleeding hearts as a huge success as the two 4a programs fought it out to get the last playoff spot only to be eliminated in the first round by justin northwest. "but look how many more kids are enjoying themselves and think how their feelings might have been hurt had they not made the varsity." mummie says weakly to poppie. "besides, i hated having to get my coif messed up before the parties with those games in mid november, and those december games really ruined my shopping routine".

[dragonfootballfan]

very few if any slc folk will even admit that they were ever for the splitting of the high schools, but as few as 4 years ago, it was touch and go whether the namby pambies around here, who couldn't bear the thought of little donnie having to work hard and succeed to get his letter jacket and participation patch, came close to killing the goose that lays the state championship trophies(i bet that hurts). it would have been touted by the bleeding hearts as a huge success as the two 4a programs fought it out to get the last playoff spot only to be eliminated in the first round by justin northwest. "but look how many more kids are enjoying themselves and think how their feelings might have been hurt had they not made the varsity." mummie says weakly to poppie. "besides, i hated having to get my coif messed up before the parties with those games in mid november, and those december games really ruined my shopping routine".
I remember that and I also remember that the town was not as split over the issue as it appeared. The side in favor of creating two high schools was a lot more vocal than the side that wanted Southlake to remain a one high school town. Why was the other side more vocal? They were more vocal because it did not make sense. Why would a town of 23 square miles need two high schools? I received many fliers on my car and got into a lot of arguments and, from what you know about me on this board, I did not give in and made a lot of enemies because of it. I, unlike many others, watched the public access channels that had the city council and school board meetings on and made decisions based on that. I find it humorous how now the microphones on the school board channel are now almost muted to the point where a television at maximum volume cannot make out what the members are saying, so the channel is useless.

[WildcatFan]

very few if any slc folk will even admit that they were ever for the splitting of the high schools, but as few as 4 years ago, it was touch and go whether the namby pambies around here, who couldn't bear the thought of little donnie having to work hard and succeed to get his letter jacket and participation patch, came close to killing the goose that lays the state championship trophies(i bet that hurts). it would have been touted by the bleeding hearts as a huge success as the two 4a programs fought it out to get the last playoff spot only to be eliminated in the first round by justin northwest. "but look how many more kids are enjoying themselves and think how their feelings might have been hurt had they not made the varsity." mummie says weakly to poppie. "besides, i hated having to get my coif messed up before the parties with those games in mid november, and those december games really ruined my shopping routine".

I don't blame you...you will find some Plano fans and other will use it as a crutch to say we lost because Plano can't draw from the same talent level.

In fact some would argue (and be right) that Plano Senior and especially East still have more of a talent draw than SLC as both are still bigger than SLC even with West in the mix.

So for Plano fans to say our loss means we don't have the same access to number of kids would be futile to argue.

As my daddy said if it ain't broke don't fix it. Allen's situation is the same as SLC.

Affluent 1 school district
Reasonable facilities (except they have outgrown their stadium)

Both of us beat them by 45 to 7 and 15 respectfully.

Can't argure the one-school district point!

[FeeltheHaka]

The orginal quote drawing the comment 'ignorant' is :-

"I dub this game the "Metroplex nuvo riche bowl." SLC will win. How can one compete with the money and resources? i.e. parents who are former NFL that help out at practice. My prediction is that Plano will be upset about this, and raise the funds to build a bigger and better facility than SLC".

I said in an earlier post perhaps ignorant is the wrong word. I said 'insulting' or perhaps 'churlish' would be better word to describe the post. Yes, both school districts are affluent, but it takes more than wealth to be successful, you need boys who want to play the game. What makes for great programs, such as SLC and Plano are elements such as parental involvement, the SLC playing system installed in all Carroll schools, boys who are committed to being the best, parents who support this notion, parents who volunteer time to be involved, a wholly involved community and coaching staff. It is probably the coaching which makes the difference between SLC being a good program and SLC being the premier program in Texas 5A. If success is a factor of wealth, how come Colleyville Heritage has never won a State Championship?

Affluent parents who only need one income, while the other parent dedicates time/resources to the Football team is a resource that 99.8% of other schools don't have. Colleyville Heritage is only a couple of years old, so there is no comparison. Give Colleyville a few more years, and the steroid controversy dying down, and they will be much better. And again, Coach Dodge is a huge factor for SLC. Not many coaches can be a politician, and be a great athletics coach at the same time is rare. If you gave Dallas Carter the resources and Coach Dodge, then the other thread about SLC beating the Houston Texans might be more of a reality. Another nice thing I like about SLC is that they seem to put alot into other sports besides football.
I do not know much about Hockey, but I here SLC is one of the best.

[dragonsdaddy]

Affluent parents who only need one income, while the other parent dedicates time/resources to the Football team is a resource that 99.8% of other schools don't have. Colleyville Heritage is only a couple of years old, so there is no comparison. Give Colleyville a few more years, and the steroid controversy dying down, and they will be much better. And again, Coach Dodge is a huge factor for SLC. Not many coaches can be a politician, and be a great athletics coach at the same time is rare. If you gave Dallas Carter the resources and Coach Dodge, then the other thread about SLC beating the Houston Texans might be more of a reality. Another nice thing I like about SLC is that they seem to put alot into other sports besides football.
I do not know much about Hockey, but I here SLC is one of the best.
c-h is in their 7th or 8th year i believe. plenty of programs have made a dent in less time. they are a basketball power, but don't seem to stress football so much. maybe there's more to it than that, but someone from there'll chime in and let me know how misguided i am, i'm sure.

[Phoenixrising05]

colleyville heritage has an amazing girls soccer team program :D

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Affluent parents who only need one income, while the other parent dedicates time/resources to the Football team is a resource that 99.8% of other schools don't have. Colleyville Heritage is only a couple of years old, so there is no comparison. Give Colleyville a few more years, and the steroid controversy dying down, and they will be much better. And again, Coach Dodge is a huge factor for SLC. Not many coaches can be a politician, and be a great athletics coach at the same time is rare. If you gave Dallas Carter the resources and Coach Dodge, then the other thread about SLC beating the Houston Texans might be more of a reality. Another nice thing I like about SLC is that they seem to put alot into other sports besides football.
I do not know much about Hockey, but I here SLC is one of the best.

Grew up in Plano won a state championship. Both my parents worked because they had to. I even had a summer job!! WOW!! :p

[dragons08]

Affluent parents who only need one income, while the other parent dedicates time/resources to the Football team is a resource that 99.8% of other schools don't have. Colleyville Heritage is only a couple of years old, so there is no comparison. Give Colleyville a few more years, and the steroid controversy dying down, and they will be much better. And again, Coach Dodge is a huge factor for SLC. Not many coaches can be a politician, and be a great athletics coach at the same time is rare. If you gave Dallas Carter the resources and Coach Dodge, then the other thread about SLC beating the Houston Texans might be more of a reality. Another nice thing I like about SLC is that they seem to put alot into other sports besides football.
I do not know much about Hockey, but I here SLC is one of the best.
every team but ONE made the playoffs last year, and that one being Boys soccer

[WildcatFan]

Grew up in Plano won a state championship. Both my parents worked because they had to. I even had a summer job!! WOW!! :p


I agree both PSHS and PESH are more of the hard working areas of Plano I would say the kids are more grounded and are not affluent by silver spoons means.

Alot of the kids in Plano have summer jobs even year round jobs and most come from two parents working etc.

West on the other hand seems to be a bit out of control, lot of expensive cars in the Plano West lot. Either money is growing on trees west of Coit or they are living above their means!

[DC2145]

The only way to solve this is to combine all three schools in to one 15,000 student HS create 6A football level and we will win state every year guaranteed.

Just for the record, how many students attend Plano High? Carroll has between 2,100 and 2,200, which I am told 300 of those are Special Ed. If you divided 15,000 by three, that puts you at around 5,000, I would think you would already have the upper hand.:eek:

[dragons08]

The only way to solve this is to combine all three schools in to one 15,000 student HS create 6A football level and we will win state every year guaranteed.

Just for the record, how many students attend Plano High? Carroll has between 2,100 and 2,200, which I am told 300 of those are Special Ed. If you divided 15,000 by three, that puts you at around 5,000, I would think you would already have the upper hand.:eek:
one would think...

[BAMF cowboy]

The only way to solve this is to combine all three schools in to one 15,000 student HS create 6A football level and we will win state every year guaranteed.

Just for the record, how many students attend Plano High? Carroll has between 2,100 and 2,200, which I am told 300 of those are Special Ed. If you divided 15,000 by three, that puts you at around 5,000, I would think you would already have the upper hand.:eek:

300 kids? is that an actual statistic or are you just pulling that out of where the sun dont shine?

[dragons08]

300 kids? is that an actual statistic or are you just pulling that out of where the sun dont shine?
thats what i was thinking, i was thinking it was closer to like 100, if that

[BAMF cowboy]

i dont think it was needed to be brought up anyways, it doesnt matter

[SLC13]

thats what i was thinking, i was thinking it was closer to like 100, if that
You're probably close D08......One of mine is the 9th grade program, less than 20 kids in that one.

[PawPower]

The only way to solve this is to combine all three schools in to one 15,000 student HS create 6A football level and we will win state every year guaranteed.

Just for the record, how many students attend Plano High? Carroll has between 2,100 and 2,200, which I am told 300 of those are Special Ed. If you divided 15,000 by three, that puts you at around 5,000, I would think you would already have the upper hand.:eek:

Plano has 2574 students in the 11th and 12th grades this school year. School will grow to 3,000 to 3,200 in next four to five years and then level off.

Why has size not guaranteed continuous football success as many assume? As the city has grown, things have changed.

Lack of dedicated feeder program. This will be addressed in the next 4 to 5 years with the final feeder alignment between the three senior high schools.

In-migration from regions of the US and world where football is not viewed as the number one sport.

Large class size and competition has led to sports specialization. New sports further dilute the talent pool.

Emphasis on academics reducing percentage of students participating in any type of extracurricular activities, whether band or sports. Plano Sr. ranks number 1 in nation for AP credit issued and has highest AP passing rate in Texas per D magazine. (I’m not implying SLC or any other school has less of an emphasis on academics.)

[Winston]

very few if any slc folk will even admit that they were ever for the splitting of the high schools, but as few as 4 years ago, it was touch and go whether the namby pambies around here, who couldn't bear the thought of little donnie having to work hard and succeed to get his letter jacket and participation patch, came close to killing the goose that lays the state championship trophies(i bet that hurts). it would have been touted by the bleeding hearts as a huge success as the two 4a programs fought it out to get the last playoff spot only to be eliminated in the first round by justin northwest. "but look how many more kids are enjoying themselves and think how their feelings might have been hurt had they not made the varsity." mummie says weakly to poppie. "besides, i hated having to get my coif messed up before the parties with those games in mid november, and those december games really ruined my shopping routine".

So if I understand right, if Southlake loses to Plano or Katy, it's because they didn't work hard.

[planocat05]

Plano Category Carroll
34.6 Scoring avg. 49.8
12.6 Scoring defense 13.9
262.5 Rushing YPG 196.8
96.2 Passing YPG 319.8
104.2 Rushing defense YPG 86.5
165.9 Passing defense YPG 157.0

the main difference is passing YPG other then that the teams are pretty similar. should be a good matchup. if Plano can stick to their average of passing D then the game should be close.

[PawPower]

I dub this game the "Metroplex nuvo riche bowl." SLC will win. How can one compete with the money and resources? i.e. parents who are former NFL that help out at practice. My prediction is that Plano will be upset about this, and raise the funds to build a bigger and better facility than SLC. :D

Silly comment, Plano already has two facilities bigger and better than SLC!

I think SLC has to be considered the favorite, but if SLC is to be upset this year, I believe Plano has the best chance for five reasons:

1. SLC has not played against an option offense this year and I believe Plano has a better defense than anyone SLC has played this year.
2. SLC is very confident, Plano is hungry and has nothing to lose based on everyone’s assumptions about the outcome.
3. First time SLC will have played a team this year with an older tradition than SLC. See "Tradition" at http://www.planowildcats.org
4. SLC usually has a funding advantage against its opponents. Plano has more per capita tax revenue than SLC (funding helps).
5. Plano will have at least an equal or greater number of fans than SLC. Estimate for Plano’s game against SGP is that Plano had approximately 17,000 fans. I heard today that PISD ticket sells this week are running at a higher rate than for the SGP game. Plano faithful will be there in force. I have a friend who is driving up from Austin with his girl friend for the game. A co-worker's parents from Wyoming are flying in just for this game (have not been to Plano game in three years). They made their reservations only last Sunday.

[planocat05]

im flying in from lubbock and didnt tell my parents till i bought the tickets they are kinda pissed but i wouldnt miss the game for the world.

[PawPower]

im flying in from lubbock and didnt tell my parents till i bought the tickets they are kinda pissed but i wouldnt miss the game for the world.

Check out this article from Ft. Worth Star Telegram:

"IRVING -- It may be hard to find a fan base like the one currently following the Plano Wildcats.

Twenty-four minutes before Saturday’s Class 5A Division II Region I area-round game, Wildcats fans had already engulfed one side of Teas Stadium in a blanket of maroon.

Hundreds of others walked through a clogged concourse, and lines were deep with people waiting just to walk down the aisles to their seats.

This year has been one big party for Plano (12-0), a storied program that has won seven state titles and bounced back from a winless season two years ago.

“The city’s really rallied behind it,’’ said Jay Dinucci, a “Photo Dad” who was snapping pictures before the game. “It’s been pretty amazing. It’s been fun. You hate to see it end.

"You know it’s going to, but you hate to see it end.’’

As the band marched in on the field, fans waved their paw signs in unison. Another fan held up a blinking No. 1 neon sign that had “PLANO” printed down the numeral.

Those who weren’t at their seats already were in for trouble.

Plano resident Ben Elbel was among that group, but he was busy handing out paw signs until game time.

The large fan base has continually grown this season for Plano. Fans and coaches like to tell the story about a district game at Allen, which has a small stadium. Fans were warned to get there early.

When the team came out for its walk through before the game, Plano’s side was already packed.

“It’s been that way,’’ Elbel said. “Even at away games, we’ve had more people than the home team.’’

Before walking back to his seat to watch his son Tyler play Saturday night, Jim Cruz knew the night would have “a lot of electricity.’’

“Win or lose,’’ Cruz said, “they’ve had a good season.’’

It was a win, by the way: Plano 31, South Grand Prairie 24. "

http://http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/high_school/13124667.htm

[PawPower]

im flying in from lubbock and didnt tell my parents till i bought the tickets they are kinda pissed but i wouldnt miss the game for the world.

Here's an article on the fans at the Allen game from the DMN:



Maroon power, pride up another notch in Plano

12:38 AM CDT on Saturday, October 8, 2005

By MATT WIXON / The Dallas Morning News

ALLEN – This week's cold front arrived just in time for Oran and Doris Lee. The chilly weather meant they could wear their matching maroon sweatshirts to show their Plano pride as the Wildcats brought home another victory.

"Just like old times," Doris Lee said.

Yes, just like old times – times when Plano was one of the most dominating, feared teams in the state. And just like Friday night, when Plano's season of redemption featured another night of domination at Allen's Eagle Field.

The final score: Plano 45, Allen 7. The lasting impression: Plano fans spilling into the visitors' stands before their team was even dressed for the game.

The fans in maroon have waited for this. After three seasons of missing the playoffs, including the infamous 0-10 season of 2003, they are thrilled to see their team back on top and some old friends in the stands.

"There is no room for anyone else on that bandwagon at this point," said John Muns, a Plano school board member and a player on Plano's 1977 state championship team. "Those that had jumped off the wagon have jumped back on real quick."

The bandwagon gained speed Friday night, as Plano scored first and never trailed in the game. Six weeks into the season, Plano has still not trailed.

That's the statistic of a powerhouse, and on Friday, the No. 5 team in SportsDay's Class 5A area rankings looked like a powerhouse. Plano (6-0, 3-0 in District 8-5A) controlled the game with strong defense and an offense that gained 412 yards, mostly through the legs of quarterback Mark Sfikas and running back Justin Jordan.

But Plano also made big plays through the air, and it wasn't just the 29-yard touchdown pass from Sfikas to Greg Rideaux in the second quarter. Plano extended drives throughout the night with completions on third down, many of them to receiver Alex Lott, who had seven receptions.

Seven receptions for a Plano receiver. Who says the Wildcats are one-dimensional?

"We knew we were going to have to throw the ball," Sfikas said, "because teams know we're going to run."

Still, the offense stayed true to Plano's hallmark. It wasn't fancy, just very difficult to stop. It's the kind of offense that helped Plano win seven state championships and the kind of offense Muns remembers when he was in a maroon uniform.

"You know what's coming," he said. "Just try to stop it."

For the most part, Allen (4-2, 2-1) could not. And Allen couldn't get its offense going, managing just one touchdown late in the third quarter to cut the lead to 24-7. It didn't help that quarterback Nathan Dick injured his ankle on the second play of the game and was out for the night.

Allen, No. 14 in SportsDay's 5A rankings, did move the ball against Plano. It's just that Plano made the big plays when it counted.

In the first half, when the stands were full and the game was tight, Plano stopped Allen on two fourth downs in Wildcats territory. Plano also intercepted two passes and recovered two fumbles, one of which was returned for a touchdown.

It added up to another rout, which is very familiar to the Plano seniors. Two seasons ago, they were the sophomores absorbing the beatings. Now they're the ones erasing opponents and the memories of the last two years.

[berkner]

sorry im a noob to this... how exactly does ur recruiting program work?

[PawPower]

sorry im a noob to this... how exactly does ur recruiting program work?


Simple!

Create a city with one of lowest crime rates for cities over 100K population, make it the wealthiest city in the US with a population over 100K (per US Census), spend the tax money on excellent infrastructure, police, fire and parks. Re-locate major Fortune 500 corporations so people do not have to commute. Add in a two time national blue ribbon school with the highest AP pass rates in the state of Texas. Everything else sort of takes care of itself from there!

[berkner]

Simple!

Create a city with one of lowest crime rates for cities over 100K population, make it the wealthiest city in the US with a population over 100K (per US Census), spend the tax money on excellent infrastructure, police, fire and parks. Re-locate major Fortune 500 corporations so people do not have to commute. Add in a two time national blue ribbon school with the highest AP pass rates in the state of Texas. Everything else sort of takes care of itself from there!

i want to be that when i get older :D

[PawPower]

Dale Hansen on Channel 8 will have coverage of the upcoming Plano vs. SLC game tonight at 10:00. May also be on at 6:00 but I do not know for sure.

[FeeltheHaka]

I am going to change my prediction. Earlier I predicted Soutlake by at least 35. After finding out some new information, I say Southlake by 10.
To me, this "is" the Region II finals. I wish I could be at this game. I'll be cheering on Trinity.

[LufkinPanthers2008]

one thing i have to say is never count a team out plano might be the underdogs but believe me thet can go with the best of them i've been to one of their game and they are a pretty good football team everyone thinks that slc has got this already wrapped up but something tells me that we are gonna see an upset

[dragons08]

I am going to change my prediction. Earlier I predicted Soutlake by at least 35. After finding out some new information, I say Southlake by 10.
To me, this "is" the Region II finals. I wish I could be at this game. I'll be cheering on Trinity.
its the Region 1 finals..

[PawPower]

one thing i have to say is never count a team out plano might be the underdogs but believe me thet can go with the best of them i've been to one of their game and they are a pretty good football team everyone thinks that slc has got this already wrapped up but something tells me that we are gonna see an upset

Which game did you attend?

[LufkinPanthers2008]

Which game did you attend?

oh u just like most people doubtling plano watch im telling u plano is not going out without a fight

[PawPower]

oh u just like most people doubtling plano watch im telling u plano is not going out without a fight

I totally agree with you! I was just curious which Plano game you attended.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

I am going to change my prediction. Earlier I predicted Soutlake by at least 35. After finding out some new information, I say Southlake by 10.
To me, this "is" the Region II finals. I wish I could be at this game. I'll be cheering on Trinity.

You got me. What's the new information that cuts your prediction by 25. Who got suspended?:)

[hollywood]

I am going to change my prediction. Earlier I predicted Soutlake by at least 35. After finding out some new information, I say Southlake by 10.
To me, this "is" the Region II finals. I wish I could be at this game. I'll be cheering on Trinity.

No way. You are not going to leave us hanging on why!?
It not the side of the stadium thing. The broken jaw was someone else.

[my3sons]

SLC 42 Plano 21

[WildcatFan]

SLC 42 Plano 21

Pano 24 SLC 21:D

[my3sons]

Pano 24 SLC 21:D

It wouldn't surprise me. Really. Plano has the goods to win. No doubt. I'm making sure I do everything the same way I have the past 3 weeks. Don't want to jinx the Dragons, however, I realize that when you get to the Regional Finals, any team can beat another. As I said previously, the loser of this game will root for the other to bring the championship to Region 1 (again).

[WildcatFan]

It wouldn't surprise me. Really. Plano has the goods to win. No doubt. I'm making sure I do everything the same way I have the past 3 weeks. Don't want to jinx the Dragons, however, I realize that when you get to the Regional Finals, any team can beat another. As I said previously, the loser of this game will root for the other to bring the championship to Region 1 (again).

I couldn't agree more, quite honestly most of us hope we can keep it close and not get blown out if we acomplish that it will still be considered a win in our book and a great end to a cinderella season. If we win all the better for us but make no mistake I don't think anyone on this board who is a Plano fan thinks this game will be anything but difficult.

Deep down Plano has a lot of admiration and respect also perhaps a lot of envy for you as SLC reminds alot of us in Plano of what we used to be (more than just a winning ball team). In many ways the SLC of today is what Plano was 15-20 years ago. We were not as big a town, not as many schools, not as many transplants who did not have ties to the community or grew up here etc. etc.

And its only because we have both been there (more than once I must add) we share more in common than you think.

Of couse if SLC wins I will root for them all the way to Sate as its about area representation at that point and it will be well deserved.

But before I completely break down and sing Kum'ba'ya, this week I will suspend that and go with my Maroon as I am sure you will with your Dragon Green!

[berkner]

[QUOTE=WildcatFan]who did not have ties to the community or grew up here etc. etc.

And its only because we have both been there (more than once I must add) we share more in common than you think.QUOTE]

:( tear:(

[angustexas05]

I am going to change my prediction. Earlier I predicted Soutlake by at least 35. After finding out some new information, I say Southlake by 10.
To me, this "is" the Region II finals. I wish I could be at this game. I'll be cheering on Trinity.

What is this new information?

[Sakatha]

Pano 24 SLC 21:D

That's ironic.

Last night, my mom called me and asked what I thought about the game..

I said, well it's either Plano 24, SLC 21... Or SLC 52, Plano 14.

You guys win close, or get blown out of building...

~DnM

[dragonfly]

I realize that Plano's offense can score, but someone tell me how they are going to stop Carroll's passing game enough times to win. How does Plano's corners and safeties match up with the Carroll receivers?

[FeeltheHaka]

What is this new information?

I meant to say Division II finals not Region.

I did not mean to melodramaticize what I wrote, Sorry.
I just looked at key matchups and the Plano field goal kicker factor.
SLC is going to win with their receivers.

[PawPower]

I realize that Plano's offense can score, but someone tell me how they are going to stop Carroll's passing game enough times to win. How does Plano's corners and safeties match up with the Carroll receivers?

For Plano to win they have to do what Katy did. Control the time of possession.

[TrojanHorse03]

Time of possession is overrated if its not matched with scoring efficiency.

[crunked9]

This game will be over at halftime and i will be happy that i stayed home to watch some good college football all day and drink some "water"

[WildcatFan]

[QUOTE=WildcatFan]who did not have ties to the community or grew up here etc. etc.

And its only because we have both been there (more than once I must add) we share more in common than you think.QUOTE]

:( tear:(

Its ok Berkner I will get you a tissue, I know you still trying to get over that AMC loss on Sat. perhaps you should come out to the game on Sat to cheer you up since you have nothing else to do!

[rancher52]

Time of possession is overrated if its not matched with scoring efficiency.
That is very true.... case in point: I think Abilene actually had the ball more than SLC in SLC's blow out p/o win.

[dragonfootballfan]

For Plano to win they have to do what Katy did. Control the time of possession.
Abilene won the time of possesion last week. That worked out well for them

[crunked9]

No one will beat carroll this year! Let me tell you how good this team is! if this team and the 02 team played! the 02 team would win by only 10 to 14! thats pretty good!:D

[PawPower]

Abilene won the time of possesion last week. That worked out well for them

I did not say it guarantees a win for Plano, but Plano is not going to win for sure if SLC dominates time of possession!

[dragonfootballfan]

No one will beat carroll this year! Let me tell you how good this team is! if this team and the 02 team played! the 02 team would win by only 10 to 14! thats pretty good!:D
that is pretty funny. I thought that the '02 team was much better than this team during the regular season, but the playoffs have opened my eyes a lot. That Abilene game made me think that this may be the best Carroll team. I will have to see what they continue to show me

[PawPower]

Second hand source told me that the Plano Pep rally had over 4,000 this morning. They apparently turned people away.

Any Plano fans here that were at the rally and can confirm?

[SeeingRed]

i've said it before and i'll say it again

Teams just don't get it until they play us.

Except Lufkin and SV...they've learned

Could be that the only thing Plano don't "get" is to see your post-game celebration...

[PawPower]

Could be that the only thing Plano don't "get" is to see your post-game celebration...

Win or loss the Plano fans will be with the team at the end of the game to celebrate their season!

[Dragonuncle]

Of the last 61 games that SLC (60-1) has played, I'm guessing we won the time of possession maybe 7 times and that might be a stretch.:confused:

[dragonfootballfan]

Of the last 61 games that SLC (60-1) has played, I'm guessing we won the time of possession maybe 7 times and that might be a stretch.:confused:
I think that Carroll had over 40 first downs against Coppell and still lost the time of possesion

[Plano8687]

http://www.geocities.com/ibertech/final_score.jpg (http://www.vbulletin.com)

[BigFanSLC]

you have entirely too much time on your hands......and plus is would say Dragons and Wildcats, not Southlake and Plano.

SLC- 35ish
Plano- 17 or less

[Plano8687]

Took 15 minutes. And, just posting my opinion of the projected score. No need to get criticial. :)

[SLCDad]

that is pretty funny. I thought that the '02 team was much better than this team during the regular season, but the playoffs have opened my eyes a lot. That Abilene game made me think that this may be the best Carroll team. I will have to see what they continue to show meI've been saying since about week 5 that the 05 Dragon team is the best ever in Southlake. Why? The 2005 team doesn't have any weaknesses. They are strong in every area and great in many areas. Prior teams have had a few weaknesses (special teams or defensive secondary for example).

Sepcifically:
1. WRs are "all galaxy" both in quality and depth. That is HUGE within the system that SLC runs.
2. Defense is great. Dline, LBs and DBs are all great. Best defense SLC has ever had. The biggest area of improvement is the pass defense. The SLC defense has dominated some very good offensive teams this year. Considering that SLC scores so fast and they always lose the time of possession, the defensive stats don't reflect how great this defensive is.
3. Greg McElroy is the best pure pro-style passer SLC has ever had. His height, accuracy and touch are great. His running is not as good as Chase W. nor Chase D. but it's good enough.
4. Offensive line is great. Consistently great pass protection.
5. Running game is not as good as previous years, but Tre Newton's explosiveness and pure speed make him a threat on every play, more than enough to keep the defenses honest and to open up the passing game. If not taken seriously, the SLC running game will explode.
6. Special teams play is much improved (especially compared to 2004). In 2004 SLC consistently gave up long returns on kick-offs. Punting was also horrific in the playoffs. Both of these consistently gave up good field position. Neither has been a problem in 2005.

SLC 48
Plano 21

[crunked9]

I've been saying since about week 5 that the 05 Dragon team is the best ever in Southlake. Why? The 2005 team doesn't have any weaknesses. They are strong in every area and great in many areas. Prior teams have had a few weaknesses (special teams or defensive secondary for example).

Sepcifically:
1. WRs are "all galaxy" both in quality and depth. That is HUGE within the system that SLC runs.
2. Defense is great. Dline, LBs and DBs are all great. Best defense SLC has ever had. The biggest area of improvement is the pass defense. The SLC defense has dominated some very good offensive teams this year. Considering that SLC scores so fast and they always lose the time of possession, the defensive stats don't reflect how great this defensive is.
3. Greg McElroy is the best pure pro-style passer SLC has ever had. His height, accuracy and touch are great. His running is not as good as Chase W. nor Chase D. but it's good enough.
4. Offensive line is great. Consistently great pass protection.
5. Running game is not as good as previous years, but Tre Newton's explosiveness and pure speed make him a threat on every play, more than enough to keep the defenses honest and to open up the passing game. If not taken seriously, the SLC running game will explode.
6. Special teams play is much improved (especially compared to 2004). In 2004 SLC consistently gave up long returns on kick-offs. Punting was also horrific in the playoffs. Both of these consistently gave up good field position. Neither has been a problem in 2005.

SLC 48
Plano 21


Tell me the weakness 02 slc had! By the numbers had a better defense than the 05 has! and the WR's Sellari, Hansen and Chandler, were the best three carroll will ever have play on one team together! And Wasson was the man!

Just my unbias opnion.. lol

[dragonsdaddy]

Tell me the weakness 02 slc had! By the numbers had a better defense than the 05 has! and the WR's Sellari, Hansen and Chandler, were the best three carroll will ever have play on one team together! And Wasson was the man!

Just my unbias opnion.. lol
lol. unbiased my bruised forehead. you guys deserve every accolade. after the snow is cleared off the streets, it's much easier to travel. you did what was considered the impossible.