Is anyone going to beat SLC this year?

[football fanatic]

They are so dominate.

Please make your arguments.

IMO, Lufkin is the only team that has a chance.

[dragonsdaddy]

i've got plano, c cove, lp, sv, and kt as likely candidates.

[Pancake]

Why wouldn't KT or SV have a chance?

[lonny23]

i've got plano, c cove, lp, sv, and kt as likely candidates.
My answer is NO.

SV and Katy match up the best to beat them, but I think it will be SV in the title game and they have the best chance.

I don't think the first 3 teams are serious challengers to beat SLC. If LP doesn't play better tomorrow, you can count on them leaving us next week and never getting to SLC.

[Tejasnole]

Well the two teams SLC has played in 8-5a, Plano has played with the same ability. I know that comparisons are weak ,but that is the only argument I have for Plano.

[dragonsdaddy]

tnole, yall take care of bidness today, you here. i don't want my dream game to come this close, and fall apart. slc has done their job.

[toonman]

I agree. Please Plano, get it done today. I do not want to drive to Shotwell for next week's game. A little trip to Texas Stadium will do for me.

[BAMF cowboy]

If SLC continues to play the way there did last night, there is not a team in the state that can stop them.

[nate]

If SLC continues to play the way there did last night, there is not a team in the state that can stop them.

We'll just see about that. The way they looked had a lot to do with their opponent. It always does.

Even the Houston Texans would look good against a weak Abilene team.

[drgnbkr]

To say that Abilene was weak is taking away from a very good Carroll team...they are making everybody look very weak...

[nate]

To say that Abilene was weak is taking away from a very good Carroll team...they are making everybody look very weak...

Carroll is good. I've never said they weren't. They are VERY good, but part of the reason they looked so great last night is because they weren't playing a particularly strong opponent.

[Weber]

Go Midland Bulldogs !!!! See Ya Slc In Abilene Next Week!!!.......................midland High Vs Slc

[LPanther]

I don't see anyone capable of knocking off SLC at this point. I went last night hoping for a good game, but SLC made Abilene look totally inept. Heard the announcers make reference to the fact that Abilene's coach guaranteed a win, and also made a statement that insinuated Potts was a better QB than McElroy. If true,......not a good move. When I watch the Dragons I say "man, if someone could only get pressure on McElroy", but that is easier said than done. I think I had three sandwiches while McElroy was looking for a receiver on that 2nd TD pass. I believe that Katy may have the best chance to knock Carroll off, but even that seems remote. What SLC is doing since moving to 5A is nothing short of phenomenal.

[dragonsdaddy]

Go Midland Bulldogs !!!! See Ya Slc In Abilene Next Week!!!.......................midland High Vs Slc
how did midland fair vs the once throttled eagles of ahs? i've got to think they might be quite disadvantaged if there is a loss in that column.

[thestud]

we beat midland 31-20 in midland in week 6

[BAMF cowboy]

Carroll is good. I've never said they weren't. They are VERY good, but part of the reason they looked so great last night is because they weren't playing a particularly strong opponent.

that's just unfair, since all week everyone was talking abilene up saying how they are undefeated, better than last year, and have a great team. Now just because SLC goes to town on them and makes them look pitiful, all of a sudden they are not a worthy opponent? Give credit where credit is due, and acknowledge that the dragons played absolutely amazing last night, and i would say at this point look unstoppable.

[Pack Backer]

Have to agree with LPanther on this one. SLC is too disciplined. Even if the teams were exactly even, Lufkin mistakes (penalities) will be their downfall.

[nate]

that's just unfair, since all week everyone was talking abilene up saying how they are undefeated, better than last year, and have a great team. Now just because SLC goes to town on them and makes them look pitiful, all of a sudden they are not a worthy opponent? Give credit where credit is due, and acknowledge that the dragons played absolutely amazing last night, and i would say at this point look unstoppable.

I have an idea. Realize who you're talking to. I've maintained for weeks that SLC won't face a real challenge until the semifinals. All week last week, I consistently posted that Abilene was overrated and nowhere near the team they were last season. Abilene HS lost too much talent last season and was not able to match SLC player for player. Few teams in the state can.

[BAMF cowboy]

I have an idea. Realize who you're talking to. I've maintained for weeks that SLC won't face a real challenge until the semifinals. All week last week, I consistently posted that Abilene was overrated and nowhere near the team they were last season. Abilene HS lost too much talent last season and was not able to match SLC player for player. Few teams in the state can.

well in that case, seeing as you have had that opinion all along i can see where you are coming from. But regardless, a 52 - 0 trouncing in the playoffs has to be worthy of some sort of praise?

[nate]

well in that case, seeing as you have had that opinion all along i can see where you are coming from. But regardless, a 52 - 0 trouncing in the playoffs has to be worthy of some sort of praise?

The last thing SLC needs is more praise. Living just up the street from Southlake, I am very aware of how good the team is. I've been to a few games this season, and I think they are awesome. But just because you beat someone in round 3 by 52 points doesn't mean you'll win the state championship. All it means is you get to play next week.

[BAMF cowboy]

The last thing SLC needs is more praise. Living just up the street from Southlake, I am very aware of how good the team is. I've been to a few games this season, and I think they are awesome. But just because you beat someone in round 3 by 52 points doesn't mean you'll win the state championship. All it means is you get to play next week.

SLC dont NEED any praise at all. I just think it should be given. Carroll hasn't given up any first half points in 5 weeks. Not once in the playoffs have they struggled. Praise is not needed, however, it should be given.

[trooper82d]

SLC dont NEED any praise at all. I just think it should be given. Carroll hasn't given up any first half points in 5 weeks. Not once in the playoffs have they struggled. Praise is not needed, however, it should be given.
Yes, The Mighty COPPERAS COVE DAWGS!!!!!!!!!!

[BAMF cowboy]

Yes, The Mighty COPPERAS COVE DAWGS!!!!!!!!!!

how did that relate at all?

[texasfootballfan]

UM i think SV has a great shot as long as beyer and Fuller stay healthy because the offense owns that team while their defense continues to struggle.

A HEALTHY BEYER AND FULLER=STATE CHAMPIONSHIP

[dragonsdaddy]

try the user cp at top left, then select the ignore function. it is almost foolproof in removing fools from your sight(unless someone quotes said fool).

[BAMF cowboy]

try the user cp at top left, then select the ignore function. it is almost foolproof in removing fools from your sight(unless someone quotes said fool).

i only learned this NOW?

[dragonsdaddy]

UM i think SV has a great shot as long as beyer and Fuller stay healthy because the offense owns that team while their defense continues to struggle.

A HEALTHY BEYER AND FULLER=STATE CHAMPIONSHIP
what offense and what defense are owned and struggling? it doesn't compute to these old eyes.

[BAMF cowboy]

UM i think SV has a great shot as long as beyer and Fuller stay healthy because the offense owns that team while their defense continues to struggle.

A HEALTHY BEYER AND FULLER=STATE CHAMPIONSHIP

SV took SLC right to the wire last year, and i have no doubt that if they meet that could happen again. But SLC has been on such a roll so far in the playoffs it's going to take one hell of an effort to slow them down. I think Lufkin, SV, and Katy have the tools, and the playoff expereince to make it a game with SLC

[Phoenixrising05]

anyone else finding it difficult to keep up with all these SLC threads popping up today? geesh my refresh button is in overdrive tonight ahh obsession gotta love it

[BAMF cowboy]

anyone else finding it difficult to keep up with all these SLC threads popping up today? geesh my refresh button is in overdrive tonight ahh obsession gotta love it

you havent even seen the worst of it:D

[Dawg Fan]

As to the question of: Will anyone beat SLC....NOPE not this year .They are truly amazing and it doesn't look like they are gonna have to rebuild for some time. They just reload

[BAMF cowboy]

As to the question of: Will anyone beat SLC....NOPE not this year .They are truly amazing and it doesn't look like they are gonna have to rebuild for some time. They just reload

very true, but next year dodge will have a huge 'reloading' job.

all 8 receivers who get playing time will be graduating, as will the entire offensive line. on defense, the only returning starters will be Russo (DE), Padron (MLB) and both Ford twins (anthony might go back to WR)

but with riley and tre in the backfield, there is still hope

[sltnusmc]

I say NO. I think to beat these guys a team will have to play their best game of the season.

[TXhsfbfan]

I think Katy has the best chance... they seem to be quietly winning playoff games easily with great defense and this year an offense that can score a lot of points... there is a lot of football to be played by many great teams, but should this rematch happen it would make for another close Texas Bowl.

[VB Pack Fan]

Nope :(

[VB Pack Fan]

very true, but next year dodge will have a huge 'reloading' job.

all 8 receivers who get playing time will be graduating, as will the entire offensive line. on defense, the only returning starters will be Russo (DE), Padron (MLB) and both Ford twins (anthony might go back to WR)

but with riley and tre in the backfield, there is still hope

I f you guys are losing that Oline ,its going to be tough I don,t care who the qb and rb is, that is the strength of your team this year.

[Black Sedan]

They are so dominate. Please make your arguments. IMO, Lufkin is the only team that has a chance.

South Lake is America's Team until they get "Dawg" bit by the Cove. Enjoy it while you can SLC 'cause the train already left the station! Soon as we deal with this little Lufkin detail, you're next!

[Dargason]

My hope is that after the Plano game next week people will say the Wildcats gave them "a surprisingly tough game" and/or "SLC's toughest test of the season so far"...

Beyond that I'm just hoping for some magic. Don't discount THE PLANO MYTH

[dragonsdaddy]

South Lake is America's Team until they get "Dawg" bit by the Cove. Enjoy it while you can SLC 'cause the train already left the station! Soon as we deal with this little Lufkin detail, you're next!
dream on. my lab has these dreams where she's chasing something exciting too. then she wakes up and she's still just a dog. go lp.

[NTxTiger]

I think Katy has the best chance... they seem to be quietly winning playoff games easily with great defense and this year an offense that can score a lot of points... there is a lot of football to be played by many great teams, but should this rematch happen it would make for another close Texas Bowl.
I saw SLC vs. Denton Ryan a few weeks ago and Allen last week. SLC has better defense than last two years, as good a passer and I like their receivers better. Running game not as good.

Saw Katy today. They have been rolling over teams almost as SLC has. Close to the same running game as last two years, much better passing game. Sophomore Aundre Dean looked good for a sophomore. Better kick coverage. Way too many penalties today to beat SLC.

Bottom line, SLC will be in the finals, Katy should be. If Katy had a chance to beat SLC in 2003, they do this year as well. I hope we get to find out.

[dragons08]

i've got plano, c cove, lp, sv, and kt as likely candidates.
those are what im thinking, im not so sure about Plano though

[Butch Fifield]

Plano will definitely be the best team SLC has faced so far this year.

But that won't be enough. Katy probably has the only shot.

[dragons08]

how did that relate at all?
tropper82d is to 'the dawgs'

as lonny is to judson


understand now? :D

[exbearkat]

I don't see anyone capable of knocking off SLC at this point. I went last night hoping for a good game, but SLC made Abilene look totally inept. Heard the announcers make reference to the fact that Abilene's coach guaranteed a win, and also made a statement that insinuated Potts was a better QB than McElroy. If true,......not a good move. When I watch the Dragons I say "man, if someone could only get pressure on McElroy", but that is easier said than done. I think I had three sandwiches while McElroy was looking for a receiver on that 2nd TD pass. I believe that Katy may have the best chance to knock Carroll off, but even that seems remote. What SLC is doing since moving to 5A is nothing short of phenomenal.
As I recall, SLC was doing much of the same and most guys were SAYING much of the same in '03 right up til just following the championship game. :p

[exbearkat]

i would say at this point look unstoppable.
You make a good point - they look unstoppable. ;)

[HOOKEM]

I doubt anyone beats SLC this year or next and so on. Right now they have the magical coaching combination to get it done. Just better hope that Todd Dodge does not take a college job. Bound to happen someday.

We still miss DW Rutledge.

[ALLIN]

NATE, to say Abilene is not a strong opponent is crazy 24-2 in 2 years and the only loss to SLC, ya, they suck :confused: Keep teeling yourself that

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

NATE, to say Abilene is not a strong opponent is crazy 24-2 in 2 years and the only loss to SLC, ya, they suck :confused: Keep teeling yourself that

I wouldn't say they suck but are they the #6 team in the state?. Look at who they played all year? All teams other than Rockhurst of Missouri are from West Texas. Missouri football is not very strong and overall West Texas was down this year. Put Abilene in 8-5A and they are equal to Allen.
At least the scores reflect that.

[taco_bockley]

if lufkin play's slc i believe lufkin will win. you can not run on there defense. you can't shut lufkin offense down so if lufkin can contain slc passing game they will win

[dragonsdaddy]

i tell you what. lp will have their hands full this week. a rerematch will be very anticipated, and the lp defense seems immovable. their offense hasn't been so good, but certainly has the tools to be a juggernaut.

[Roughrider]

if lufkin play's slc i believe lufkin will win. you can not run on there defense. you can't shut lufkin offense down so if lufkin can contain slc passing game they will win

Lufkin doesn't stand a chance against SLC.... You blitz they beat you with hot's... You sit back and they pick you apart... Don't need a run game when you can do that... Lufkins given up too many points in the playoffs and most of them to the pass.... You better snuggle up with some other thought:D

[exbearkat]

You blitz they beat you with hot's... You sit back and they pick you apart... Don't need a run game when you can do that...
Yep, worked like a charm against Katy in the '03 championship game.

[nate]

NATE, to say Abilene is not a strong opponent is crazy 24-2 in 2 years and the only loss to SLC, ya, they suck :confused: Keep teeling yourself that

I never said Abilene "sucked," but I stand behind my opinion that they weren't a really good team. Playing in West Texas this year did not prepare them to take on the big boys in Div. 2. Last season was different, as was last year's team - many more good players and a better regular season slate to prepare the team. Last year, the Abilene Eagles were very good. This season, I'd say above average but nothing special.

[BAMF cowboy]

Yep, worked like a charm against Katy in the '03 championship game.

well it's worked 60 times compared to 1

pretty good odds i'd say

[dragonsdaddy]

Yep, worked like a charm against Katy in the '03 championship game.
i get the feeling that xbc goes to sleep with a smile on his face as the last thing he sees before he turns out the light is a poster of the kt-slc final scoreboard. glad we could be of service.

[drgnbkr]

i get the feeling that xbc goes to sleep with a smile on his face as the last thing he sees before he turns out the light is a poster of the kt-slc final scoreboard. glad we could be of service.

It was quite a few games ago..you'd think the glow would have worn off by now...:o

[my3sons]

XBC: everyone believes you want a SLC-KT state final. Everyone in Southlake is hoping for the same pairing. This time it won't come down to a missed field goal. Good luck KT. Hopefully we can have a rematch in SA. However, don't under estimate Smithson Valley. They are tough again. If SLC doesn't play KT, a SV-SLC rerematch would be fun. Unfortunately, Lufkin-Copp Cove may have something to say about these "wishful" pairings.

[exbearkat]

XBC: everyone believes you want a SLC-KT state final. Everyone in Southlake is hoping for the same pairing. This time it won't come down to a missed field goal. Good luck KT. Hopefully we can have a rematch in SA. However, don't under estimate Smithson Valley. They are tough again. If SLC doesn't play KT, a SV-SLC rerematch would be fun. Unfortunately, Lufkin-Copp Cove may have something to say about these "wishful" pairings.
Honestly, I'm hoping for a Katy-Plano state final. We still have a score to settle with those guys from '94. :D

Seriously though, I hear what you're saying, but if the KT/SLC match-up becomes reality it won't be in SA, as my understanding is that no high school games are to be played in the Alamo-dome this season.

[TheRowdyRanger]

I don't see anyone capable of knocking off SLC at this point. I went last night hoping for a good game, but SLC made Abilene look totally inept. Heard the announcers make reference to the fact that Abilene's coach guaranteed a win, and also made a statement that insinuated Potts was a better QB than McElroy. If true,......not a good move. When I watch the Dragons I say "man, if someone could only get pressure on McElroy", but that is easier said than done. I think I had three sandwiches while McElroy was looking for a receiver on that 2nd TD pass. I believe that Katy may have the best chance to knock Carroll off, but even that seems remote. What SLC is doing since moving to 5A is nothing short of phenomenal.

I'll have to say that Katy or Smithson Valley have the best odds at beating SLC.
Both teams would give SLC a close game, but I think that it will be SV to face off against carrol. And I don't say that just because they are my team, but because of the players and coaches. Hill was 18 of 19 for over 200yds passing against Laredo, and laredo was a good team with a lot of heart. Most teams don't know how to defend SLC anyway. They're a good team, but sooner or later more teams are going to wise up and play better defense against them, and make it harder for them to roll over everyone.

[AZTiger]

well it's worked 60 times compared to 1

pretty good odds i'd say

agreed, but DAMN it feels good to be that "1" ;)

[zippy]

I got a chance to see plano play Saturday, and I dont know that they will be any different than Abilene. It was windy, so if they normally pass the ball some, that may be the reason they didnt against M.H. I do know that they will not go very far at all if they pitch that option after big 20 yard runs. I saw #5 muff the pitch twice, I know they lost it once. This was after a big gain. I guess the coach gets onto them for this? They did it a few times after the first fumble. Also, dont know about their pass defense. M.H. did not pass much at all, even with the wind to their back, and down by a lot of points. I always said Yanzer would never get them back, and I will stick to that. Terrible coaching out there at Midland.


Well the two teams SLC has played in 8-5a, Plano has played with the same ability. I know that comparisons are weak ,but that is the only argument I have for Plano.

[yee freakin haw]

Consolidated could no doubt easily handle SLC but sadly...different division. Consol all the way fo sho yuh yuh.

[DragonFan]

Consolidated could no doubt easily handle SLC


The only people that say that they could easily handle SLC is one's that have not seen SLC play! I welcome anyone who says that they will play SLC tough and have a chance to win but I would dare say no one would "easily handle" SLC.

Please tell me why Consolidated would be the team that would "easily handle SLC"?

I find it very funny that the only teams with this much bravado are the ones in Div 1 knowing that they will not have to back up their words.

[implacable44]

The only people that say that they could easily handle SLC is one's that have not seen SLC play! I welcome anyone who says that they will play SLC tough and have a chance to win but I would dare say no one would "easily handle" SLC.

Please tell me why Consolidated would be the team that would "easily handle SLC"?

I find it very funny that the only teams with this much bravado are the ones in Div 1 knowing that they will not have to back up their words.

who knows ? if you think about it they are one play short of having three titles or two plays short of having no titles in 5a. Who can say ?

[Favpack]

Abilene beat Midland big in Midland - like 49 - 28. Plano beat an improved Midland squad at a neutral site - 20-7. SLC beat AHS 52-0. Even if AHS had not committed turnovers - it would have been 35-10, and maybe 45-10 without the blown calls.

So, can Plano beat SLC? Not without help from above.

[PaulinPlano]

I think I had three sandwiches while McElroy was looking for a receiver on that 2nd TD pass.

That is too funny! :D Did you have any chips with those sandwiches?:D

[implacable44]

That is too funny! :D Did you have any chips with those sandwiches?:D

yeah i think that one play was 1/2 of southlakes entire TOP for the game.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Abilene beat Midland big in Midland - like 49 - 28. Plano beat an improved Midland squad at a neutral site - 20-7. SLC beat AHS 52-0. Even if AHS had not committed turnovers - it would have been 35-10, and maybe 45-10 without the blown calls.

So, can Plano beat SLC? Not without help from above.

Got your scores right first. Abilene won 31-20 at Midland. Doesn't matter though. If you want comparative scores look below.

Plano beat Allen 45-7 at Allen, SLC beat Allen at TX Stadium 48-15
Plano beat Plano east 24-7 , SLC beat Plano East 31-0 at home
Plano beat Fossil Ridge 52-14, SLC beat Fossil ridge something like 58-24

AGain Comparative scores don't mean squat. Howver, at least it looks comperative. Won't matter if Plano can't run the ball consistently and slow down SLC's passing attack,

TO BE THE BEST YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE BEST!

PLANO MYSTIQUE IS ALIVE AND WELL

[toonman]

The only people that say that they could easily handle SLC is one's that have not seen SLC play! I welcome anyone who says that they will play SLC tough and have a chance to win but I would dare say no one would "easily handle" SLC.

Please tell me why Consolidated would be the team that would "easily handle SLC"?

I find it very funny that the only teams with this much bravado are the ones in Div 1 knowing that they will not have to back up their words.

You are so right. Fans who know their team will never play SLC, will say they would win, would beat up etc, etc. They cannot ever be disproved. That is the benefit of rankings, at least rankings are based on factual elements, rather than just a warm and fuzzy feeling.

[KT2000]

I've seen A&M Consolidated in person and Southlake Carroll on TV. I'm glad that match-up isn't going to happen. That's as nice as I can think to put it.

[PaulinPlano]

Got your scores right first. Abilene won 31-20 at Midland. Doesn't matter though. If you want comparative scores look below.

Plano beat Allen 45-7 at Allen, SLC beat Allen at TX Stadium 48-15
Plano beat Plano east 24-7 , SLC beat Plano East 31-0 at home
Plano beat Fossil Ridge 52-14, SLC beat Fossil ridge something like 58-24

AGain Comparative scores don't mean squat. Howver, at least it looks comperative. Won't matter if Plano can't run the ball consistently and slow down SLC's passing attack,

TO BE THE BEST YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE BEST!

PLANO MYSTIQUE IS ALIVE AND WELL

I was at both Plano East games. I would say the East squad was playing better ball when the played the Wildcats. Though you could say that it was early in the season for SLC.

[toonman]

The way this thread is going is that a case is being for Plano. Let's look at the play-off facts :-

Play-offs : Both Teams 3-0 - Even
Average Points Scored : SLC 48 – Plano 23 – Huge Advantage SLC.
Average Points against : SLC 12 – Plano 15 - Advantage SLC.
Average Margin of Wins : SLC 36 – Plano 8 - Huge Advantage SLC
Record of Play-off Opponents : SLC 30-3 – Plano 26-7 - Advantage SLC

Which ever way you slice and dice the numbers; they all point to a SLC win.

Yours truly
Toonman
Football CSI (Collegiate Scores Investigations)

[dragonsdaddy]

this is the time of year when injuries tend to stockpile due to attrition. i haven't heard of any new slc dings. i hope plano is full speed. there won't be much need to make those excuses at least.

one thing that is in plano's favor is the kicking game. their kicker/punter appears a lock for some all-state attention, and were he a sr would be on several teams radar. with ko down, we aren't nearly as solid. hope that differential doesn't come into play this year.

[DragonFan]

Plano will pose the biggest challenge this week. This could very easily be a trape game where, after a huge win over a highly ranked team, SLC might be thinking itself unbeatable. I think the coaches will have the team down to earth and ready to play. Plano has nothing to lose and can play 110% every down and be ready to put everything they have into this game. There is no tomorrow for the Plano Wildcats! They are out to prove something to the State that the 0-10 season should be erased forever in the lore of Plano football!

I believe that Plano will play very tough but will start to waver after SLC gets a couple of scores. If SLC wins the coin toss and scores on the first drive, then Plano will start to overplay its game and will make a mistake that will allow SLC to score again. This will continue to happen until the first half is over with Plano down by 21 or 28 points. Plano will come out in the second half and make a charge at the Dragons but the Offense will put it back in gear in the 4th to make the game a 21 or more point victory.

I think Dodge is coaching better this year than last. Last year against Abilene Dodge went for a TD on a 3rd and short where Abilene was not able to stop the 3rd down plays and a TD would have totally collasped Abilene's will to play. SLC had to punt when the TD ball was not caught and gave Abilene a lot of momentum. Abilene scored and then got the next onside kick to make the game a lot closer than it was.

Dodge had done a simular thing in a couple of other games that were needlessly close.

This year I believe Dodge is getting the 1st down and then going for the TD. It seems to be working very well!

[BayouBoy34]

Consolidated could no doubt easily handle SLC but sadly...different division. Consol all the way fo sho yuh yuh.

Assume this was a "tongue in cheek" comment. No way you could be serious. :confused:

[yee freakin haw]

Ha i was actually just kidding about consol but now its on. We will play southlake in an offseason type of thing and we will beat them...badly.

[svtakestate]

Why wouldn't KT or SV have a chance?


ya football fanatic, Katy and Sv have just a good a chance, if not a better chance, of betting SLC than lufkin does:D

[drgnbkr]

ya football fanatic, Katy and Sv have just a good a chance, if not a better chance, of betting SLC than lufkin does:D

Hey..no betting on High School games!...:D

[dragons08]

Hey..no betting on High School games!...:D
tell lonny and eaglike that!

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Plano will pose the biggest challenge this week. This could very easily be a trape game where, after a huge win over a highly ranked team, SLC might be thinking itself unbeatable. I think the coaches will have the team down to earth and ready to play. Plano has nothing to lose and can play 110% every down and be ready to put everything they have into this game. There is no tomorrow for the Plano Wildcats! They are out to prove something to the State that the 0-10 season should be erased forever in the lore of Plano football!

I believe that Plano will play very tough but will start to waver after SLC gets a couple of scores. If SLC wins the coin toss and scores on the first drive, then Plano will start to overplay its game and will make a mistake that will allow SLC to score again. This will continue to happen until the first half is over with Plano down by 21 or 28 points. Plano will come out in the second half and make a charge at the Dragons but the Offense will put it back in gear in the 4th to make the game a 21 or more point victory.

I think Dodge is coaching better this year than last. Last year against Abilene Dodge went for a TD on a 3rd and short where Abilene was not able to stop the 3rd down plays and a TD would have totally collasped Abilene's will to play. SLC had to punt when the TD ball was not caught and gave Abilene a lot of momentum. Abilene scored and then got the next onside kick to make the game a lot closer than it was.

Dodge had done a simular thing in a couple of other games that were needlessly close.

This year I believe Dodge is getting the 1st down and then going for the TD. It seems to be working very well!

The way you posted this you feel that the Plano kids will roll over and quit if they get behind on the opening drive. That is the furthest thing from the truth. These Plano kids especially the Seniors have been through worst of times and pulled themselves up from being the worst team ever in school history to possibly being one of the best. Getting behind 2 touchdowns will not in anyway shape or form cause them to quit. These kids know all about the history and lore of Plano football. They know of all the comebacks that Plano has had in all their years in the Playoffs. From HP in 77, Temple 78, HP 79, Permian 87, and on and on. Those teams didn't quit and Plano will not quit.

Don't think for 1 second that Plano will roll over and give up like Mac, Allen and Abilene. SLC is in for 48 minutes of football with game decided in the 4th quarter. You can take that to the bank!!:)

[TrojanHorse03]

The way you posted this you feel that the Plano kids will roll over and quit if they get behind on the opening drive. That is the furthest thing from the truth. These Plano kids especially the Seniors have been through worst of times and pulled themselves up from being the worst team ever in school history to possibly being one of the best. Getting behind 2 touchdowns will not in anyway shape or form cause them to quit. These kids know all about the history and lore of Plano football. They know of all the comebacks that Plano has had in all their years in the Playoffs. From HP in 77, Temple 78, HP 79, Permian 87, and on and on. Those teams didn't quit and Plano will not quit.

Don't think for 1 second that Plano will roll over and give up like Mac, Allen and Abilene. SLC is in for 48 minutes of football with game decided in the 4th quarter. You can take that to the bank!!:)

I second that much!

[dragonsdaddy]

The way you posted this you feel that the Plano kids will roll over and quit if they get behind on the opening drive. That is the furthest thing from the truth. These Plano kids especially the Seniors have been through worst of times and pulled themselves up from being the worst team ever in school history to possibly being one of the best. Getting behind 2 touchdowns will not in anyway shape or form cause them to quit. These kids know all about the history and lore of Plano football. They know of all the comebacks that Plano has had in all their years in the Playoffs. From HP in 77, Temple 78, HP 79, Permian 87, and on and on. Those teams didn't quit and Plano will not quit.

Don't think for 1 second that Plano will roll over and give up like Mac, Allen and Abilene. SLC is in for 48 minutes of football with game decided in the 4th quarter. You can take that to the bank!!:)
hopefully this week will be different, but if you happened to read the posts from people like yourself last week from abilene, the week before from allen etc, you could have just cut and pasted it here. see if any of them are feeling good about their bravado. i think it'll be a much more competitive game, but i wouldn't be surprised if it is a repeat of the prior 3. good luck and we'll be seeing you in ts sat.

[Sakatha]

Don't think for 1 second that Plano will roll over and give up like Mac, Allen and Abilene. SLC is in for 48 minutes of football with game decided in the 4th quarter. You can take that to the bank!!:)


So Allen, Mac, and Abilene just rolled over... It had *nothing* to do with receiving a beat down...

Oh ok. I forgot that so many kids just QUIT when it's their last football game... EVER...

~DnM

[implacable44]

So Allen, Mac, and Abilene just rolled over... It had *nothing* to do with receiving a beat down...

Oh ok. I forgot that so many kids just QUIT when it's their last football game... EVER...

~DnM

actually i dont think they quit - i just dont think they were that good to begin with

[TXFBU]

The way you posted this you feel that the Plano kids will roll over and quit if they get behind on the opening drive. That is the furthest thing from the truth. These Plano kids especially the Seniors have been through worst of times and pulled themselves up from being the worst team ever in school history to possibly being one of the best. Getting behind 2 touchdowns will not in anyway shape or form cause them to quit. These kids know all about the history and lore of Plano football. They know of all the comebacks that Plano has had in all their years in the Playoffs. From HP in 77, Temple 78, HP 79, Permian 87, and on and on. Those teams didn't quit and Plano will not quit.

Don't think for 1 second that Plano will roll over and give up like Mac, Allen and Abilene. SLC is in for 48 minutes of football with game decided in the 4th quarter. You can take that to the bank!!:)

I went to the first two of these 3 games and these teams didn't give up, they just couldn't do anything about it (especially in the first half). Their offenses couldn't move the ball - their defenses couldn't stop the SLC offense. These teams simply got steamrolled, quickly. Sorry... but that is what I saw each time. I didn't go to the AHS game, so maybe they rolled over... I don't know.

Good luck to all...

[reed35]

actually i dont think they quit - i just dont think they were that good to begin with
true statement.

i do think that at 14-0 they did start giving up hope and at 21-0 gave up more and so on

[Sakatha]

actually i dont think they quit - i just dont think they were that good to begin with

I don't know how good or bad they were. SLC is a tough litmus test.

~DnM

[toonman]

true statement.

i do think that at 14-0 they did start giving up hope and at 21-0 gave up more and so on

I agree - In each of the 3 play-off games, I looked over to the I-Mac, Allen and Abilene side-lines, using binoculars. All 3 looked beaten at the end of the first quarter. You see by the body language, head's handing down, head's in hand's, lack of support when team mates on the field and the quiet fans confirming what the players are thinking - we've lost this one and it's only the first quarter

[implacable44]

I agree - In each of the 3 play-off games, I looked over to the I-Mac, Allen and Abilene side-lines, using binoculars. All 3 looked beaten at the end of the first quarter. You see by the body language, head's handing down, head's in hand's, lack of support when team mates on the field and the quiet fans confirming what the players are thinking - we've lost this one and it's only the first quarter

they arent good teams- SLC hasn't played a good team all year. Allen was way over-rated. Their offense was terrible- the only good play they had all game was #13 - the big WR who leveled #48 for SLC on a block - dropped him cold. that was their highlight. Abilene was over-rated too. I will wait for the SLC-Katy game.

[Sakatha]

they arent good teams- SLC hasn't played a good team all year. Allen was way over-rated. Their offense was terrible- the only good play they had all game was #13 - the big WR who leveled #48 for SLC on a block - dropped him cold. that was their highlight. Abilene was over-rated too. I will wait for the SLC-Katy game.

It's going to be hard for you to convince anybody that ANY team that's in the state quarter finals, in Texas, is 'over-rated'............

~DnM

[implacable44]

It's going to be hard for you to convince anybody that ANY team that's in the state quarter finals, in Texas, is 'over-rated'............

~DnM

A&M ? Cy Falls ? and even my beloved Judson Rockets - How many people thought they would get this far ?

Plano should be a good indicator - I didn;t say they were over-rated -- I said Allen was and if you were at the game, you would have to agree. Abilene was way out of their league and didn't belong on the field.

[Sakatha]

A&M ? Cy Falls ? and even my beloved Judson Rockets - How many people thought they would get this far ?

Plano should be a good indicator - I didn;t say they were over-rated -- I said Allen was and if you were at the game, you would have to agree. Abilene was way out of their league and didn't belong on the field.

Once again, was it because they sucked or because SLC was that good? I maintain that Abilene would've beaten Plano this weekend.

I find it laughable that nobody is giving this SLC defense it's due.

~DnM

[DragonFan]

I would like someone to define "overrated" to me. It seems that a team that goes 9-1 in the regular season is now "overrated" when it is dominated in the playoffs. The same is now said about a 9-2, and a 12-0 team. Does that mean that the total of 30 teams that were beat by these "overrated" teams really suck? Trinity was "overrated" when they lost to SGP. Are they still "overrated"? Is a team a powerhouse until they lost then they go from being a powerhouse to "overrated"?

How about "overpowered".

I was talking to a group of fans from different schools that had come to watch the triple header at Texas Stadium. They had heard all about the great teams that would be playing. They knew that Imac was a very good football team. After the game was over, they told me that they thought they knew what a good football team was until they saw what the Dragons brought. The teams that the Dragons played were not "overrated" just "overpowered".

If Plano loses this week are they the next "overrated" team? If SLC loses are they now the "overrated" team? If your team is still playing in the playoffs was your last opponent "overrated"?

Makes you want to say Hummmmmm.....

[Favpack]

Once again, was it because they sucked or because SLC was that good? I maintain that Abilene would've beaten Plano this weekend.

I find it laughable that nobody is giving this SLC defense it's due.

~DnM

I find it laughable that someone can't do simple math. AHS totally dominated Midland at Midland - and AHS got beat badly by SLC. Plano got a W against Midland 20-7 -- do the comparisons/math. AHS was better than the score indicates and AHS would beat Midland again and Plano. They just picked a bad game to screw up - and SLC is that good.

[Sakatha]

I find it laughable that someone can't do simple math. AHS totally dominated Midland at Midland - and AHS got beat badly by SLC. Plano got a W against Midland 20-7 -- do the comparisons/math. AHS was better than the score indicates and AHS would beat Midland again and Plano. They just picked a bad game to screw up - and SLC is that good.

Amen.

Can't wait for our next matchup. It'll be another dandy, I'm sure.

~DnM

p.s. You Cove and Plano fans.. We as fans are looking ahead a week.. The players are not...

[dragonsdaddy]

I would like someone to define "overrated" to me. It seems that a team that goes 9-1 in the regular season is now "overrated" when it is dominated in the playoffs. The same is now said about a 9-2, and a 12-0 team. Does that mean that the total of 30 teams that were beat by these "overrated" teams really suck? Trinity was "overrated" when they lost to SGP. Are they still "overrated"? Is a team a powerhouse until they lost then they go from being a powerhouse to "overrated"?

How about "overpowered".

I was talking to a group of fans from different schools that had come to watch the triple header at Texas Stadium. They had heard all about the great teams that would be playing. They knew that Imac was a very good football team. After the game was over, they told me that they thought they knew what a good football team was until they saw what the Dragons brought. The teams that the Dragons played were not "overrated" just "overpowered".

If Plano loses this week are they the next "overrated" team? If SLC loses are they now the "overrated" team? If your team is still playing in the playoffs was your last opponent "overrated"?

Makes you want to say Hummmmmm.....
per certain slc detractors, any team that slc throttles was obviously over-rated. and any team that the slc defense shuts down wasn't very good to begin with. slc's opponents are all smoke and mirrors anyway. not terribly or even minimally important what these ne'ersaywells think, imho. try the ignore function. i'm here to tell you, it works.

[implacable44]

I would like someone to define "overrated" to me. It seems that a team that goes 9-1 in the regular season is now "overrated" when it is dominated in the playoffs. The same is now said about a 9-2, and a 12-0 team. Does that mean that the total of 30 teams that were beat by these "overrated" teams really suck? Trinity was "overrated" when they lost to SGP. Are they still "overrated"? Is a team a powerhouse until they lost then they go from being a powerhouse to "overrated"?

How about "overpowered".

I was talking to a group of fans from different schools that had come to watch the triple header at Texas Stadium. They had heard all about the great teams that would be playing. They knew that Imac was a very good football team. After the game was over, they told me that they thought they knew what a good football team was until they saw what the Dragons brought. The teams that the Dragons played were not "overrated" just "overpowered".

If Plano loses this week are they the next "overrated" team? If SLC loses are they now the "overrated" team? If your team is still playing in the playoffs was your last opponent "overrated"?

Makes you want to say Hummmmmm.....


okay - Abilene beat Lubbock Monterrey a 6-5 team 28 - 21 and you think they were a "tough" opponent and not built up on the reputation of Taylor Potts ? A QB who SLC fans have dogged all year as sub-par and that he will not go to TTech if Mcelroy does - ? They won by a TD against a 6 and 5 team ? Allen - - they beat Cedar Hill - 21 to 7 and then they played the four corners offense against Carroll when they were down by 21 - pitiful game.
Name a Carroll opponent this year that has done anything in the playoffs this year or is even still alive?

I am not doubting the Dragons - I am saying their opponents had no prayer to win state or even be a threat. Plano appears to be pretty good and now it is down to good teams who all have a legitimate shot at the state title.

[ALLIN]

OK plac, just for the record....you are saying that Plano is good, right? I know you think our last three playoff opponents were horrible, so when we drum Plano what will your excuse be for dogging the Dragons? For the record I think Imac, Abilene and Plano are (were) all great teams.

[implacable44]

OK plac, just for the record....you are saying that Plano is good, right? I know you think our last three playoff opponents were horrible, so when we drum Plano what will your excuse be for dogging the Dragons? For the record I think Imac, Abilene and Plano are (were) all great teams.

If you drum Plano - then I will applaud the Dragons - as I have all season. The problem is my applause and praise does not come with green colored glasses or the belief that they are the best team ever with the best players at every position - ever. Should they beat Plano I will applaud them. I doubt they will "drum" Plano though - but it is possible. Should they win state I will give them the respect they deserve as a repeat champion and I will read all the I told you so's and greatest team evers etc.. Should they lost well I will just sit back and read -- I won't post anything - just read all the comments that will rain down from the members of the board because it will be ugly - KT might have to shut it down and I can't imagine how many locked threads there will be - I will enjoy the absence of the ridiculous comments from the Carroll apologists though - the quiet should be refreshing.

[ALLIN]

When Slc wins you will be on here talking about what Plano did wrong, not what SLC does right. It will not be us winning, but Plano losing that cost them the game. I can hear it now, Plano was not THAT good, they were over-rated blah blah blah. Talk to you soon.

[implacable44]

When Slc wins you will be on here talking about what Plano did wrong, not what SLC does right. It will not be us winning, but Plano losing that cost them the game. I can hear it now, Plano was not THAT good, they were over-rated blah blah blah. Talk to you soon.


Nope - not true - I will say that I have not seen Plano play yet but that they are 13 and - they have played teams in common with SLC with similar results - i will say PLANO is a good team and whatever happens is legitimate If SLC blanks plano then I will give them credit - if it is 48 to 0 then I will say SLC is dang good. - and where is the Southlake Thug at ??

[ALLIN]

I dunno, have not ard from him in a while, must be sick. OK Plac, I will take your word for it and hope to see you onhere Sun saying SLC is dang good. I dont hink we will blank them, but we will win
SLC 48
Plano 13

[implacable44]

I dunno, have not ard from him in a while, must be sick. OK Plac, I will take your word for it and hope to see you onhere Sun saying SLC is dang good. I dont hink we will blank them, but we will win
SLC 48
Plano 13

I will be at the game - rockin the Judson Red -- hope to see you there.

[ALLIN]

Our side or theirs??

[implacable44]

Our side or theirs??

i will probably be in two places - your side and then up in a box that is located on the visitors side

[dragonfootballfan]

actually i dont think they quit - i just dont think they were that good to begin with
one was number 6 in the state and another was number 15. One was 9-1, another was 12-0. Those teams were probably atleast ok.

[implacable44]

one was number 6 in the state and another was number 15. One was 9-1, another was 12-0. Those teams were probably atleast ok.

yeah they were okay - no threat to win state - no powerhouse just an after thought. look at what they did in the playoffs before playing SLC-- barely winning against really inferior teams

[dragonfootballfan]

yeah they were okay - no threat to win state - no powerhouse just an after thought. look at what they did in the playoffs before playing SLC-- barely winning against really inferior teams
What did Irving MacArthur do three weeks before their game with Carroll? Carroll will play their second consecutive unbeaten team this week and if they win they will play a third. The teams that Carroll has beaten are a better three team group than any other team has beaten in the playoffs. Which other team is still alive has beaten better three teams than Carroll?

[singularity]

What did Irving MacArthur do three weeks before their game with Carroll? Carroll will play their second consecutive unbeaten team this week and if they win they will play a third. The teams that Carroll has beaten are a better three team group than any other team has beaten in the playoffs. Which other team is still alive has beaten better three teams than Carroll?
You are right about Carroll's run so far being the most difficult. I just don't think Carroll is as good as there game against Abilene presents them to be. I believe there playoff run so far hasn't been anything like last years. I do believe they are very good, but the teams that were a challenge last year are just not as good this year.

[singularity]

I also believe the preseason rankings have shown to be more accurate than the most recent ones. In preseason, Abilene was #16 and Imac was #17. That makes the blowout of Abilene more believable. If SLC is really amazing and Abilene was a top 6 team, then SLC just needs to drop there playoff run and jump up to a college division, because no one can compete with a team who is blowing and shutting out top 5 teams.

[toonman]

What did Irving MacArthur do three weeks before their game with Carroll? Carroll will play their second consecutive unbeaten team this week and if they win they will play a third. The teams that Carroll has beaten are a better three team group than any other team has beaten in the playoffs. Which other team is still alive has beaten better three teams than Carroll?

You set me thinking with your post. Of the 8 of the D2 teams in the play-offs, the total regular season records of all 3 play-off opponents are as follows :-

SLC 27-3
SA Madison 26-4
Cove 25-5
SV 25-5
Cy Falls 23-6
Plano 23-7
Lufkin 21-9
Katy 20-7

[dragonfootballfan]

I also believe the preseason rankings have shown to be more accurate than the most recent ones. In preseason, Abilene was #16 and Imac was #17. That makes the blowout of Abilene more believable. If SLC is really amazing and Abilene was a top 6 team, then SLC just needs to drop there playoff run and jump up to a college division, because no one can compete with a team who is blowing and shutting out top 5 teams.
you can't just choose which rankings you want to use. You have to go by the most recent rankings, which are the week 10 rankings.

[dragonfootballfan]

You are right about Carroll's run so far being the most difficult. I just don't think Carroll is as good as there game against Abilene presents them to be. I believe there playoff run so far hasn't been anything like last years. I do believe they are very good, but the teams that were a challenge last year are just not as good this year.
Could this be because Carroll is just that good?

[dragonsdaddy]

I also believe the preseason rankings have shown to be more accurate than the most recent ones. In preseason, Abilene was #16 and Imac was #17. That makes the blowout of Abilene more believable. If SLC is really amazing and Abilene was a top 6 team, then SLC just needs to drop there playoff run and jump up to a college division, because no one can compete with a team who is blowing and shutting out top 5 teams.
so you are of the opinion that the preseason rankings are the best of the year? man, i've seen some silly things the last few weeks, but that may be the inanest of all. where was plano by the way in this best ranking for the year?

[singularity]

you can't just choose which rankings you want to use. You have to go by the most recent rankings, which are the week 10 rankings.
Those are in my opinion more believable. They aren't the latest, and I specified preseason, so there shouldn't be any misunderstanding. Abilene was #11 in the latest, but #16 is more believable to me. Why did #15 Imac play SLC better than #11 Abilene. I don't believe that Abilene was as good as everyone thought they were.

[singularity]

Could this be because Carroll is just that good?
It is plausible that is the best team to ever play in 5A texas football, but let me ask you why they didn't shut out Imac? If they were really that dominant and Abilene was ranked where they were supposed to be, shouldn't the Imac game have been alot worse?

[dragonfootballfan]

Those are in my opinion more believable. They aren't the latest, and I specified preseason, so there shouldn't be any misunderstanding. Abilene was #11 in the latest, but #16 is more believable to me. Why did #15 Imac play SLC better than #11 Abilene. I don't believe that Abilene was as good as everyone thought they were.
I know every single one of Carroll's opponents are overrated. I mean to hold an overrated offense with two division one players to 0 points is just ho hum. Carroll is just not that good.

[dragonsdaddy]

It is plausible that is the best team to ever play in 5A texas football, but let me ask you why they didn't shut out Imac? If they were really that dominant and Abilene was ranked where they were supposed to be, shouldn't the Imac game have been alot worse?
our second teamers were having a bad night. for what it's worth we have lost the second half 2 out of 3 and have been outscored in the po's in the second half. had we run up the scores, we'd have been skewered.

[dragonfootballfan]

It is plausible that is the best team to ever play in 5A texas football, but let me ask you why they didn't shut out Imac? If they were really that dominant and Abilene was ranked where they were supposed to be, shouldn't the Imac game have been alot worse?
they have shut out their opponents in the first half of every playoff game this year. In the Abilene game they did not pull their starters as early as they had in both the MacArthur and the Allen game.

[singularity]

so you are of the opinion that the preseason rankings are the best of the year? man, i've seen some silly things the last few weeks, but that may be the inanest of all. where was plano by the way in this best ranking for the year?
No, they weren't the best of the year, but 8 of the top preseason 9 are still in whereas only 6 of the top 9 of the latest rankings are still playing. For the sake of the Abilene argument, I believe there initial rank was better than there final.

[Butch Fifield]

shouldn't the Imac game have been alot worse?

the score was 41-0 at half. you can't get much worse than that. you can't take into account what happens in the second half of routs, because it doesn't matter. you have bench players in and don't run your same gameplan.

[reed35]

I know every single one of Carroll's opponents are overrated. I mean to hold an overrated offense with two division one players to 0 points is just ho hum. Carroll is just not that good.
not this weeks opponent.

[singularity]

I am not trying to say that Carroll is not awesome. I am trying to say that Abilene wasn't as good this year. By comparing a close game last year to an absolute slaughter this year, I can easily conclude that Carroll is better this year than last, but I don't think they are that much better.

[singularity]

the score was 41-0 at half. you can't get much worse than that. you can't take into account what happens in the second half of routs, because it doesn't matter. you have bench players in and don't run your same gameplan.
That just makes me think that Abilene and Imac should have been ranked side by side in the final rankings just like the preseason. SLC is better this year, but you can't assume that Abilene is the measuring stick between this years team and last.

[dragons08]

is anyone going to beat slc this year??

negative ghostrider

[dragonfootballfan]

I am not trying to say that Carroll is not awesome. I am trying to say that Abilene wasn't as good this year. By comparing a close game last year to an absolute slaughter this year, I can easily conclude that Carroll is better this year than last, but I don't think they are that much better.
Abilene was undefeated. When was the last time that an undefeated team from the little southwest conference was beaten by 52 points and shutout in the third round of the playoffs?

[dragonsdaddy]

No, they weren't the best of the year, but 8 of the top preseason 9 are still in whereas only 6 of the top 9 of the latest rankings are still playing. For the sake of the Abilene argument, I believe there initial rank was better than there final.
would you mind buying back some stock i bought years ago, cause i now realize it wasn't as good as i thought. my 20 -13 hindsight is working better now too. this is the old pick a poll any poll that fits what i want the truth to be, regardless of the date on said poll. wouldn't the bcs poll work great with that regimin.

[singularity]

is anyone going to beat slc this year??

negative ghostrider
If they play up to par every game, probably not. I like to compare them to a genius taking a test. A genius could go in for a test without studying and make an A no problem, but an intelligent person who puts forth every bit of effort to study and prepare can score 100% thus beating the genius.

Like SV last year: SLC was the obvious superior, but the game was neck and neck the entire time. SV studied and prepared, and that is why they hung with SLC. Two years ago, Katy did there homework and won.

It all comes down to preperation.

[singularity]

Abilene was undefeated. When was the last time that an undefeated team from the little southwest conference was beaten by 52 points and shutout in the third round of the playoffs?
Maybe Abilene wasn't overrated, but they choked. You still can't use them as a measuring stick.

Also there is a first time for everything.

[Butch Fifield]

so you're telling me there is a chance......

[dragonfootballfan]

If they play up to par every game, probably not. I like to compare them to a genius taking a test. A genius could go in for a test without studying and make an A no problem, but an intelligent person who puts forth every bit of effort to study and prepare can score 100% thus beating the genius.

Like SV last year: SLC was the obvious superior, but the game was neck and neck the entire time. SV studied and prepared, and that is why they hung with SLC. Two years ago, Katy did there homework and won.

It all comes down to preperation.
I guess that Carroll never practices?

[dragonfootballfan]

Maybe Abilene wasn't overrated, but they choked. You still can't use them as a measuring stick.

Also there is a first time for everything.
what game do you want to use as the measuring stick for Carroll? If not the most recent game against the highest rated team, which do you think is the best?

[singularity]

would you mind buying back some stock i bought years ago, cause i now realize it wasn't as good as i thought. my 20 -13 hindsight is working better now too. this is the old pick a poll any poll that fits what i want the truth to be, regardless of the date on said poll. wouldn't the bcs poll work great with that regimin.
I didn't buy any Abilene stock, so I am not worried. Just call me a market analyst. I am looking at the differences to see if they were where they should have been. I am not saying Abilene was #16 just to fit my argument. I am saying maybe they should have been.

[Red Raiders]

I don't think Southlake Carroll going to get beaten this year but maybe next year they will lose maybe 2 games since there going to lose some of the best players.

[singularity]

what game do you want to use as the measuring stick for Carroll? If not the most recent game against the highest rated team, which do you think is the best?
I don't think they need an individual team as a measuring stick. I believe the fans of a team who attend nearly every game in consecutive seasons are the best judges. I believe you when you say they are better this year, but by looking at the playoff games against 3 teams that were common last year, I don't believe that Carroll is on a whole different level this year. I simply think the teams Carroll played last year are better than the ones this year. Dragons fans...am I wrong to say that the opponenets might have been stronger last year up to this point?

[RidgePride]

They are so dominate.

Please make your arguments.

IMO, Lufkin is the only team that has a chance.

Luck has to run out sometime maybe this year, maybe not...But one thing that is for sure is that Southlake is going to go at least 3 rounds deep in the playoffs for at least the next 5 years. I guarantee that.

[dragonfootballfan]

I don't think they need an individual team as a measuring stick. I believe the fans of a team who attend nearly every game in consecutive seasons are the best judges. I believe you when you say they are better this year, but by looking at the playoff games against 3 teams that were common last year, I don't believe that Carroll is on a whole different level this year. I simply think the teams Carroll played last year are better than the ones this year. Dragons fans...am I wrong to say that the opponenets might have been stronger last year up to this point?
they may have been stronger, but this year all of their playoff games have been over at halftime. The defense is the difference. I think that it is possible that the offense may be little worse than last years, but the defense and special teams this year gives them much better field position.

[dragonfootballfan]

Luck has to run out sometime maybe this year, maybe not...But one thing that is for sure is that Southlake is going to go at least 3 rounds deep in the playoffs for at least the next 5 years. I guarantee that.
that is a really bold prediction. Next year will be tough as they graduate 52 seniors

[singularity]

they may have been stronger, but this year all of their playoff games have been over at halftime. The defense is the difference. I think that it is possible that the offense may be little worse than last years, but the defense and special teams this year gives them much better field position.
That makes sense, because it doesn't seem like you could replace Daniels and be playing better with the same defense and special teams as last year.

[dragonsdaddy]

I don't think they need an individual team as a measuring stick. I believe the fans of a team who attend nearly every game in consecutive seasons are the best judges. I believe you when you say they are better this year, but by looking at the playoff games against 3 teams that were common last year, I don't believe that Carroll is on a whole different level this year. I simply think the teams Carroll played last year are better than the ones this year. Dragons fans...am I wrong to say that the opponenets might have been stronger last year up to this point?
not exactly. irving and imac were probably close as was allen. we beat all 4 soundly. i agree with abilene, and i said they wouldn't be as good last december the day aftyer we eliminated them, due to graduating the house. they fooled me going undefeated. they definitely weren't 45 points worse. on the other hand, last year's game would have been a 21 point game had we gone for the sure first down rather than the ill-conceived bomb late in the game. if they were 10 points worse and we are 14 points better, that would account for the difference. it's scary to think that we are 14 points better than last year. i tend to think they got katrinaed and could stem the flood.

[chhspantherfan]

:mad:ihateyoufockers:mad:

[lobo1982]

There are several teams that would beat them on the right night. There is 12 or so that could do this.

[slcdragonfan]

There are several teams that would beat them on the right night. There is 12 or so that could do this.

'are'

So we start out the season ranked 13th, right?

By right night, do you mean with high wind? or with rain? or what? Remember, we have foxes and magic juju on onside kicks....
Honestly, it is very difficult to repeat, and we have some strong teams in pre-District. Keller schools played well last year, we'll see how they do this year. In the playoffs we will up against some stout competition in Round 1 most probably, more later. But that said, I would like to see your list of 12.

As long as we win games 11-16.....

[Super B]

Panther strikes again!

This thread is 6+ years old.

Applied to next season. It is safe to say, Carroll is not the dominant force the 2005 team was. They had several close calls last season on their way to their eighth title. It is quite possible they could lose to any number of talented, well coached teams. That being said, they are a well deserved favorite to repeat and will be a tough out for any team they play. :)

[ALLENFANDINGO5]

When I clicked the link and saw that Plano was a possible team I thought "what the heck". Then I saw the date the thread was started. Good one Panther!

[mamaCat]

:p Actually I think you can do way better Panther...find one minus the Dargons :rolleyes:

[mamaCat]

:mad:ihateyoufockers:mad:
This was good though :notworthy

[chhspantherfan]

'are'

So we start out the season ranked 13th, right?

By right night, do you mean with high wind? or with rain? or what? Remember, we have foxes and magic juju on onside kicks....
Honestly, it is very difficult to repeat, and we have some strong teams in pre-District. Keller schools played well last year, we'll see how they do this year. In the playoffs we will up against some stout competition in Round 1 most probably, more later. But that said, I would like to see your list of 12.

As long as we win games 11-16.....

you shouldn't be posting after midnight;)

[slcdragonfan]

you shouldn't be posting after midnight;)

Its that bad of a post? I still want to see that list of 12. I might even agree with it. Might.

[twcpfan1]

Carroll benefits from 'transfers' the way FM Marcus benefits from 'transfers' in basketball.

[lobo1982]

'are'

So we start out the season ranked 13th, right?

By right night, do you mean with high wind? or with rain? or what? Remember, we have foxes and magic juju on onside kicks....
Honestly, it is very difficult to repeat, and we have some strong teams in pre-District. Keller schools played well last year, we'll see how they do this year. In the playoffs we will up against some stout competition in Round 1 most probably, more later. But that said, I would like to see your list of 12.

As long as we win games 11-16.....
The point I was trying to make is that on any given night the top 10 or so in Texas could be fairly even. If SLC played a bad game and Trinity or Katy played a good game, SLC could lose. These 2 where just examples. You are right, winning games 11-16 is the most important.

[lobo1982]

Here is a 12 game schedule for SLC..What would there record be?
1.Trinity
2.Katy
3.DeSoto
4.Dallas Skyline
5.Coppell
6.Denton Guyer
7.Lake Travis
8.Longview
9.The Woodlands
10.Steele
11.Copperas Cove
12.Allen
This would be a tough schedule for anyone to play.

[dragonpants]

Carroll benefits from 'transfers' the way FM Marcus benefits from 'transfers' in basketball.

Please name the transfers that we are benefiting from?

[BlakeJ]

Here is a 12 game schedule for SLC..What would there record be?
1.Trinity
2.Katy
3.DeSoto
4.Dallas Skyline
5.Coppell
6.Denton Guyer
7.Lake Travis
8.Longview
9.The Woodlands
10.Steele
11.Copperas Cove
12.Allen
This would be a tough schedule for anyone to play.

With a blown kickoff call they win 6 games.

Without a blown kickoff call they win 5 games.

[drgnbkr]

With a blown kickoff call they win 6 games.

Without a blown kickoff call they win 5 games.

Is that a ghey thing?

[drgnbkr]

Carroll benefits from 'transfers' the way FM Marcus benefits from 'transfers' in basketball.

C'mon up and we'll show you our athletic dorm and facilities for move-ins.

[dragonpants]

With a blown kickoff call they win 6 games.

Without a blown kickoff call they win 5 games.

No way we win that many. Do we get to pick the officials and what are rules on foxes? Will there be drug testing and an eligibility test?

[lobo1982]

Playing that many tough games in a row would be very tough. I don't think that there is a team in the country that would win more than 5.

[drgnbkr]

Playing that many tough games in a row would be very tough. I don't think that there is a team in the country that would win more than 5.

6 of those games would be one of the toughest playoff runs in history. Can't happen because of D-1 D-2.

[slcdragonfan]

Here is a 12 game schedule for SLC..What would there record be?
1.Trinity
2.Katy
3.DeSoto
4.Dallas Skyline
5.Coppell
6.Denton Guyer
7.Lake Travis
8.Longview
9.The Woodlands
10.Steele
11.Copperas Cove
12.Allen
This would be a tough schedule for anyone to play.

Playing that many tough games in a row would be very tough. I don't think that there is a team in the country that would win more than 5.

I see between 6 and 8 wins.

[lobo1982]

Really. That would be a great record.

[CCCSportsFan]

Playing that many tough games in a row would be very tough. I don't think that there is a team in the country that would win more than 5.

That's what makes winning a state championship so special for any team. At least 4 of the games in the playoffs are extremely tough. When you win, you live another week to fight another incredibly tough opponent.

I'd say SLC would go 7-5 with this schedule.

[dragonpants]

That's what makes winning a state championship so special for any team. At least 4 of the games in the playoffs are extremely tough. When you win, you live another week to fight another incredibly tough opponent.

I'd say SLC would go 7-5 with this schedule.

Thank god they did not put Keller Central on the schedule.

[Longhorns12]

Thank god they did not put Keller Central on the schedule.


I know, the dragons would be in trouble if we were.
:D

[E-Vol-ution]

Please name the transfers that we are benefiting from?

All those transfers from other districts that form District 4-5A.:cool:

[xray10]

katy will crush them....

[drgnbkr]

katy will crush them....

We love visiting with out Katy friends...Will Katy be D-1? If so they could meet.

[xray10]

Originally Posted by xray10 http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?p=1954175#post1954175)
katy will crush them....


Originally Posted by xray10 http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?p=1954175#post1954175)
katy will crush them....

We love visiting with out Katy friends...Will Katy be D-1? If so they could meet.


i'm obviously joking about crushing the dragons. with that qb back slc will be a handful for anyone.

as far as katy being div 1 or div 2 it is a tough call. our district is weak...real weak...
cinco ranch will be good and will be div 1. the next 2 schools with higher enrollment than katy are morton ranch and seven lakes both weak...then katy is #4 as far as population goes. most likely houston memorial will make the playoffs (div 2) the other spot is up in the air between some pretty lame teams...... my guess is cinco ranch and seven lakes go div 1 and memorial and katy go div 2.....

best of luck to the dragons glad to see them back....a katy slc game in arlington would be great....katy should be very strong this year...like 2007 .....

[chhspantherfan]

All those transfers from other districts that form District 4-5A.:cool:

that's some subtraction by addition right there.

[dragonpants]

that's some subtraction by addition right there.


You are correct there are people dying to play for the Keller schools, Haltom, Richland etc. and ever since Dodge left we forgot how to do it. :D