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texan_75010
11-15-2008, 09:28 PM
The first meeting was back in week one with Wylie pulling out a 7 point victory. Will the next meeting render similar results or will the Hawks avenge the loss?

CCCSportsFan
11-15-2008, 09:42 PM
The first meeting was back in week one with Wylie pulling out a 7 point victory. Will the next meeting render similar results or will the Hawks avenge the loss?

This will be a great match up... Gotta go with the Hawks and support 6-5A, but this is going to be an outstanding game!

LAHawk
11-15-2008, 11:28 PM
Both teams have improved significantly from the first meeting in week 0. Wylie gave both Plano and Allen, their two losses, all they could handle. Hebron bounced back nicely after starting 0-3 to win eight straight.

Both teams will rely heavily on the play of their QB's and their respective defenses. Wylie is as good as Jerod Monk and Hebron will ride the legs of Justin Iwuji. Defensively, Wylie's Nikita Wilson is a stud at noseguard and the Hebron OL will have to figure out way to control him. Hebron's defensive front will need to keep Monk in check, trying to limit both his passing and running.

My homer pick is Hebron 24-21. But in all honesty, it could go either way.

Smack talk starts...now!

PirateParent2011
11-15-2008, 11:53 PM
Homer vote for Wylie...but it will be a close game if no turnovers or many penalties.

Have they picked the site yet?

sportsjunkie40
11-16-2008, 12:32 AM
Texas Stadium, Sat.....

BTW Hawk Fan
11-16-2008, 12:57 AM
In revisiting these stats from the first game, you have to scratch your head and wonder where 35 total points came from

http://www.hsgametime.com/dfw/schoolinfo.htm?infoType=boxScore&propertyId=1&schoolId=1364&eventId=156391&sportId=3

Wypirates03
11-16-2008, 03:43 AM
texas stadium, sat.....

2 pm

Wypirates03
11-16-2008, 03:45 AM
Whitlock, not Wilson :D

I heard today from one of the Hebron coaches that Gray was out, and may miss the Wylie game, or part of it. #16, I have no idea who that is... was also out today. And, Staten tweaked his ankle but came back in. I think Hebron needs to be healthy to have a chance at winning. I'm going to take Wylie 28-17 as Wylie is about as healthy as can be (from what I understand from talking with coaches Saturday night)

Both teams have improved significantly from the first meeting in week 0. Wylie gave both Plano and Allen, their two losses, all they could handle. Hebron bounced back nicely after starting 0-3 to win eight straight.

Both teams will rely heavily on the play of their QB's and their respective defenses. Wylie is as good as Jerod Monk and Hebron will ride the legs of Justin Iwuji. Defensively, Wylie's Nikita Wilson is a stud at noseguard and the Hebron OL will have to figure out way to control him. Hebron's defensive front will need to keep Monk in check, trying to limit both his passing and running.

My homer pick is Hebron 24-21. But in all honesty, it could go either way.

Smack talk starts...now!

HebronHawk
11-16-2008, 06:19 AM
Both teams have improved significantly from the first meeting in week 0. Wylie gave both Plano and Allen, their two losses, all they could handle. Hebron bounced back nicely after starting 0-3 to win eight straight.

Both teams will rely heavily on the play of their QB's and their respective defenses. Wylie is as good as Jerod Monk and Hebron will ride the legs of Justin Iwuji. Defensively, Wylie's Nikita Wilson is a stud at noseguard and the Hebron OL will have to figure out way to control him. Hebron's defensive front will need to keep Monk in check, trying to limit both his passing and running.

My homer pick is Hebron 24-21. But in all honesty, it could go either way.

Smack talk starts...now!

I believe that Hebron may be issuing brass knuckles and clubs to the OLine for Nikita control purposes. Not sure if any of it will work.

HebronHawk
11-16-2008, 06:21 AM
Whitlock, not Wilson :D

I heard today from one of the Hebron coaches that Gray was out, and may miss the Wylie game, or part of it. #16, I have no idea who that is... was also out today. And, Staten tweaked his ankle but came back in. I think Hebron needs to be healthy to have a chance at winning. I'm going to take Wylie 28-17 as Wylie is about as healthy as can be (from what I understand from talking with coaches Saturday night)

They knew you were from Wylie.

Iwuji broke his leg scoring the last TD and our center came down with the mumps. :D

Wypirates03
11-16-2008, 12:18 PM
They knew you were from Wylie.

Iwuji broke his leg scoring the last TD and our center came down with the mumps. :D

I know... why do you think I asked ;)

The Staten and #16 thing was obvious though...

In regards to Gray... I didn't even look for him yesterday... he doesn't pose a threat! ;)

abileneeagles311
11-16-2008, 12:19 PM
i'm gonna have to go with hebron because they have a lot of momentum right now and i think they're a different team than they were back in week 1

SLC
11-16-2008, 01:22 PM
I have alot of admiration for what Hebron can do, as they obviously beat us soundly, but Bell should have won yesterday and its the wrong time to be playing the Pirates.. I am not sure this game will be close at all, Wylie can stop the run and they can score many different ways... They are my step child as Carroll is my child... I have been rooting for Wylie all year and will continue to do so this week... I picked a close Wylie win in this poll, though I am not sure it will be.. So my score will reflect a close win...

Wylie 35

Hebron 28


AHMO beat those Hawks!!

tjw
11-16-2008, 01:23 PM
Think if the Hebron team that rolled over SLC a couple weeks ago this will be a good game. if its the Hebron team that won with 29 seconds against Bell then Wylie will win with ease.

Have to root on my 8-5A fellow teams, GO AHMO

da wiz
11-16-2008, 01:27 PM
I have alot of admiration for what Hebron can do, as they obviously beat us soundly, but Bell should have won yesterday and its the wrong time to be playing the Pirates.. I am not sure this game will be close at all, Wylie can stop the run and they can score many different ways... They are my step child as Carroll is my child... I have been rooting for Wylie all year and will continue to do so this week... I picked a close Wylie win in this poll, though I am not sure it will be.. So my score will reflect a close win...

Wylie 35

Hebron 28


AHMO beat those Hawks!!
its hard to beat a team twice in one season, but i wasnt real impressed with what i saw from hebron yesterday, the defense is small but fast, but bell just
pounded on them, i think wylie can do the same 31-23 wylie

HebronHawk
11-16-2008, 02:15 PM
Staten played most of the game including the end. He was rested some during the game.

SWMHebron
11-16-2008, 02:36 PM
The first meeting was back in week one with Wylie pulling out a 7 point victory. Will the next meeting render similar results or will the Hawks avenge the loss?

We can only hope yesterday's Hebron game was a repeat of the Lewisville game, which they won 10'3. The next week the Hawks ran over Carroll.

Were they distracted yesterday knowing Wylie loomed? I can only hope so, because if they don't get it together I won't have to worry about coming home early the Saturday after Thanksgiving.

PirateFan
11-16-2008, 02:56 PM
Both teams have improved significantly from the first meeting in week 0. Wylie gave both Plano and Allen, their two losses, all they could handle. Hebron bounced back nicely after starting 0-3 to win eight straight.

My homer pick is Hebron 24-21. But in all honesty, it could go either way.

Smack talk starts...now!

Being a Pirate fan and supporting local teams it really is hard to say who will or will not win being i like the hawks too

gut says Wylie 35 Hebron 17

homer says Wylie 42 Hebron 28 :D

EaglePower
11-16-2008, 02:58 PM
should be amazing game... go pirates!

PirateFan
11-16-2008, 02:59 PM
GO!! Eagles i :notworthy hope your guys do well

HebronHawk
11-16-2008, 03:30 PM
We can only hope yesterday's Hebron game was a repeat of the Lewisville game, which they won 10'3. The next week the Hawks ran over Carroll.

Were they distracted yesterday knowing Wylie loomed? I can only hope so, because if they don't get it together I won't have to worry about coming home early the Saturday after Thanksgiving.

I don't think that the Hawks were looking ahead. I do think Bell brought some different looks that the Hawks were not expecting.

Bell played hard and wanted to move on badly but the Hawks prevailed in the end.

A team looking ahead would not have been able to prevail in the 2nd half like the Hawks did, imo.

This game was definitely a character builder.

HebronHawk
11-16-2008, 03:31 PM
XtremeH,

Tell me about the Hebron win you're predicting. I need to know. :notworthy

xtremeh
11-16-2008, 04:11 PM
OK HebronHawk.....here it goes! I really feel as though we saw a "Lewisville" type win saturday over Bell. The week we beat Lewisville 10-3 EVERYONE thought we would get our a__ handed to us by the SLC Dragons. Well guess what?....it didn't quite happen that way as the Hawks SPANKED the Dragons. All I can say is......Wylie better strap on their collective helmets & seat belts because I smell a Hebron AMBUSH coming saturday.

Hawk fans recall a "lackluster" 2nd round win over Greenville in 05 (State Championship Year) to be followed by some serious butt kicking from that point forward! Look for Brazil to get this "thing" back on track this week.

Remember one last thing. Hebron was in TOTAL control of the season opener with Wylie 14-0 (in second QTR) only to fall asleep @ the wheel and let Wylie Score 3 unanswered TD's.

Sit back and watch doubters...:D

xtremeh
11-16-2008, 04:16 PM
HebronHawk....Gray is good to go...correct? If he isn't....I haven't heard any news.

BTW Hawk Fan
11-16-2008, 05:22 PM
IMHO...I think the boys were thinking a little towards to Wylie game, and maybe they thought they could skate by Bell....well, we all know what kind of wake up call they got Sat. We saw the Hebron team that we have come to know in the last 1:30.

The boys will be ready for Wylie, trust me....they were hoping they would meet again when the brackets came out. I think you will see a similar team performance like we saw against SLC. They will be defintiely fired up for this one, no doubt in my mind. SLC will be in the same mood, WHEN :D we meet in a couple of games.

I think the Bell game was great in a way that the boys know how easily you can lose without focusing on the game at hand.

BTW Hawk Fan
11-16-2008, 05:23 PM
HebronHawk....Gray is good to go...correct? If he isn't....I haven't heard any news.

Not speaking for HH, but 59 is good to go....

BTW Hawk Fan
11-16-2008, 05:26 PM
OK HebronHawk.....here it goes! I really feel as though we saw a "Lewisville" type win saturday over Bell. The week we beat Lewisville 10-3 EVERYONE thought we would get our a__ handed to us by the SLC Dragons. Well guess what?....it didn't quite happen that way as the Hawks SPANKED the Dragons. All I can say is......Wylie better strap on their collective helmets & seat belts because I smell a Hebron AMBUSH coming saturday.

Hawk fans recall a "lackluster" 2nd round win over Greenville in 05 (State Championship Year) to be followed by some serious butt kicking from that point forward! Look for Brazil to get this "thing" back on track this week.

Remember one last thing. Hebron was in TOTAL control of the season opener with Wylie 14-0 (in second QTR) only to fall asleep @ the wheel and let Wylie Score 3 unanswered TD's.

Sit back and watch doubters...:D


Same with Mesquite, HHS had the lead going into the 4Q if I remember correctly, but could not close the deal. But we all know that Hebron is a different team then the first few games

HSFootball#1
11-16-2008, 05:28 PM
OK HebronHawk.....here it goes! I really feel as though we saw a "Lewisville" type win saturday over Bell. The week we beat Lewisville 10-3 EVERYONE thought we would get our a__ handed to us by the SLC Dragons. Well guess what?....it didn't quite happen that way as the Hawks SPANKED the Dragons. All I can say is......Wylie better strap on their collective helmets & seat belts because I smell a Hebron AMBUSH coming saturday.

Hawk fans recall a "lackluster" 2nd round win over Greenville in 05 (State Championship Year) to be followed by some serious butt kicking from that point forward! Look for Brazil to get this "thing" back on track this week.

Remember one last thing. Hebron was in TOTAL control of the season opener with Wylie 14-0 (in second QTR) only to fall asleep @ the wheel and let Wylie Score 3 unanswered TD's.

Sit back and watch doubters...:D

I'm doubter! Wylie wins 35-14

toonman
11-16-2008, 05:32 PM
Hebron are on a roll at the moment, as are Wylie and I know that Wylie has already beaten Hebron. What I do know is that Week 0 is a long long time ago and much has changed since August. I am going with Hebron.

LAHawk
11-16-2008, 05:33 PM
[quote=xtremeh;993368]OK HebronHawk.....here it goes! I really feel as though we saw a "Lewisville" type win saturday over Bell. The week we beat Lewisville 10-3 EVERYONE thought we would get our a__ handed to us by the SLC Dragons. Well guess what?....it didn't quite happen that way as the Hawks SPANKED the Dragons. All I can say is......Wylie better strap on their collective helmets & seat belts because I smell a Hebron AMBUSH coming saturday.

Hawk fans recall a "lackluster" 2nd round win over Greenville in 05 (State Championship Year) to be followed by some serious butt kicking from that point forward! Look for Brazil to get this "thing" back on track this week.

Remember one last thing. Hebron was in TOTAL control of the season opener with Wylie 14-0 (in second QTR) only to fall asleep @ the wheel and let Wylie Score 3 unanswered TD's.

Sit back and watch doubters...:D[/quote


That was Terrell, not Greenville.

LAHawk
11-16-2008, 05:38 PM
Whitlock, not Wilson :D

I heard today from one of the Hebron coaches that Gray was out, and may miss the Wylie game, or part of it. #16, I have no idea who that is... was also out today. And, Staten tweaked his ankle but came back in. I think Hebron needs to be healthy to have a chance at winning. I'm going to take Wylie 28-17 as Wylie is about as healthy as can be (from what I understand from talking with coaches Saturday night)

Sorry, my bad. I did know that, btw.

I must have known a Nikita Wilson in my previous life.:D

Dr.Zeus
11-16-2008, 07:15 PM
OK HebronHawk.....here it goes! I really feel as though we saw a "Lewisville" type win saturday over Bell. The week we beat Lewisville 10-3 EVERYONE thought we would get our a__ handed to us by the SLC Dragons. Well guess what?....it didn't quite happen that way as the Hawks SPANKED the Dragons. All I can say is......Wylie better strap on their collective helmets & seat belts because I smell a Hebron AMBUSH coming saturday.

Hawk fans recall a "lackluster" 2nd round win over Greenville in 05 (State Championship Year) to be followed by some serious butt kicking from that point forward! Look for Brazil to get this "thing" back on track this week.

Remember one last thing. Hebron was in TOTAL control of the season opener with Wylie 14-0 (in second QTR) only to fall asleep @ the wheel and let Wylie Score 3 unanswered TD's.

Sit back and watch doubters...:D

Sorry xtremeh, we never played Greenville in the state championship year of 2005. We played Lincon, Terrell, Wylie, Everman, Frenship, and Cal Allen.

HebronDad
11-16-2008, 09:29 PM
HebronHawk....Gray is good to go...correct? If he isn't....I haven't heard any news.

Hebron is 100%...

Sorry Wylie, but Gray 6'6" 285 is 100% and Staten is 100%. I know because I'm in the know... Good luck Wylie, we'll see you this weekend with all our starters.

sportsjunkie40
11-16-2008, 10:58 PM
Hebron is 100%...

Sorry Wylie, but Gray 6'6" 285 is 100% and Staten is 100%. I know because I'm in the know... Good luck Wylie, we'll see you this weekend with all our starters.

Well we better just stay home then....but anyway, a previous poster said that Hebron played bad the first game? Wylie played worse, i would agree that both teams are much improved since the start of the season, but Wylie will run more than one play during a game (unlike LD Bell). I really like the Hebron coaches, they are a class act.....But this week is already looking like the week leading up to the first game of the year....Hebron chest thumping....But i guess thats what we all come on here for anyway. IMHO Wylie wins because we can run the football on Hebron. But then again, so does everyone else.......And Hdad, I know this cause im in the know too......

SLC
11-16-2008, 10:58 PM
Hebron is 100%...

Sorry Wylie, but Gray 6'6" 285 is 100% and Staten is 100%. I know because I'm in the know... Good luck Wylie, we'll see you this weekend with all our starters.


No better way to have it, than 100% on both teams....:cool:

Hawkfan60
11-16-2008, 11:21 PM
its hard to beat a team twice in one season, but i wasnt real impressed with what i saw from hebron yesterday, the defense is small but fast, but bell just
pounded on them, i think wylie can do the same 31-23 wylie

That does worry me. Run defense does seem to be a vulnerability (and was last year, too). Even in the big win over SLC they gave up 200 yards to their running back. However, we can still win the game with our offense! :)

Wypirates03
11-16-2008, 11:25 PM
That does worry me. Run defense does seem to be a vulnerability (and was last year, too). Even in the big win over SLC they gave up 200 yards to their running back. However, we can still win the game with our offense! :)

What offense? Iwuji running every down? I think not

xtremeh
11-16-2008, 11:31 PM
[quote=xtremeh;993368]OK HebronHawk.....here it goes! I really feel as though we saw a "Lewisville" type win saturday over Bell. The week we beat Lewisville 10-3 EVERYONE thought we would get our a__ handed to us by the SLC Dragons. Well guess what?....it didn't quite happen that way as the Hawks SPANKED the Dragons. All I can say is......Wylie better strap on their collective helmets & seat belts because I smell a Hebron AMBUSH coming saturday.

Hawk fans recall a "lackluster" 2nd round win over Greenville in 05 (State Championship Year) to be followed by some serious butt kicking from that point forward! Look for Brazil to get this "thing" back on track this week.

Remember one last thing. Hebron was in TOTAL control of the season opener with Wylie 14-0 (in second QTR) only to fall asleep @ the wheel and let Wylie Score 3 unanswered TD's.

Sit back and watch doubters...:D[/quote


That was Terrell, not Greenville.


You are correct LA HAwk....It was Terrell. Regardless....I am sure you remember the doubters around the state after the "close call". The next week the Hawks came back with a purpose and hammered their opponents. Afterall.....LOOK @ what Abilene High did this weekend!!

xtremeh
11-16-2008, 11:38 PM
What offense? Iwuji running every down? I think not


Only Iwuji? You are sadly mistaken Wypirates03. So I supposed you shut down Burkhead from Plano....right? Well guess what? Darius Staten OUT RUSHED Burkhead in head to head confortation. Darius was nicked up Saturday.....I can asssure you....Wylie will get to see HIM & IWUJI @ full strenght Saturday! I mean the HAWKS ONLY had 600+ yards on SLC and about 450 on Marcus. Iwuji will pass on Wylie as well...

Just stay tuned.....you will see saturday.

Wypirates03
11-16-2008, 11:47 PM
Only Iwuji? You are sadly mistaken Wypirates03. So I supposed you shut down Burkhead from Plano....right? Well guess what? Darius Staten OUT RUSHED Burkhead in head to head confortation. Darius was nicked up Saturday.....I can asssure you....Wylie will get to see HIM & IWUJI @ full strenght Saturday! I mean the HAWKS ONLY had 600+ yards on SLC and about 450 on Marcus. Iwuji will pass on Wylie as well...

Just stay tuned.....you will see saturday.

All I saw Saturday was Iwuji keeping the ball every other play. Against Wylie earlier in the season, I believe he had under 100 yards rushing and lead the team. I'm not saying Hebron won't pass. What I'm staying is if it's QB keepers all day, I don't think Hebron succeeds. Brazil and his coaching staff are smart, so I belive they'll gameplan to stay from constant keepers. But, we'll see.

Hawkfan60
11-16-2008, 11:57 PM
All I saw Saturday was Iwuji keeping the ball every other play. Against Wylie earlier in the season, I believe he had under 100 yards rushing and lead the team. I'm not saying Hebron won't pass. What I'm staying is if it's QB keepers all day, I don't think Hebron succeeds. Brazil and his coaching staff are smart, so I belive they'll gameplan to stay from constant keepers. But, we'll see.

I was surprised at the box score (didn't get to see the game) showing how many runs Iwuji had. Usually Staten has about equal carries. Iwuji can pass, too. I wish they'd throw the ball more on first and second down--it would help open up the run. Seeing how often Iwuji completes big passes on 3rd and long when everyone knows a pass is coming, it seems like big plays are ripe for the taking on first and second down.

xtremeh
11-17-2008, 12:10 AM
All I saw Saturday was Iwuji keeping the ball every other play. Against Wylie earlier in the season, I believe he had under 100 yards rushing and lead the team. I'm not saying Hebron won't pass. What I'm staying is if it's QB keepers all day, I don't think Hebron succeeds. Brazil and his coaching staff are smart, so I belive they'll gameplan to stay from constant keepers. But, we'll see.


I really believe they will "open up" the pass quite a bit more! Phillip Mitchell (11) has had a bad knee most of the season. He is extremely fast and catches everything thrown to him . Norman (4) is the same way...tremendous hands and is very physical. Iwuji can throw....you will see..

sportsjunkie40
11-17-2008, 12:37 AM
I really believe they will "open up" the pass quite a bit more! Phillip Mitchell (11) has had a bad knee most of the season. He is extremely fast and catches everything thrown to him . Norman (4) is the same way...tremendous hands and is very physical. Iwuji can throw....you will see..

You act like Hebron is the only team on the field....Wylie has many offensive weapons, and a much much better Defense....no my friend, You will see.....I love this part of the Hebron games, all you guys on here thinking your invinsible.....funny. Wylie people were pulling for you after the first week because we are both very similar, but to be honest, i liked you a lot better when you were humble.

PirateFan
11-17-2008, 02:15 AM
You act like Hebron is the only team on the field....Wylie has many offensive weapons, and a much much better Defense....no my friend, You will see.....I love this part of the Hebron games, all you guys on here thinking your invinsible.....funny. Wylie people were pulling for you after the first week because we are both very similar, but to be honest, i liked you a lot better when you were humble.

Yes we are a humble crowd but non the less everyone here has a point but it all comes down to the field. yes hawks have an explosive Offense but then again Wylies D is best in Div and Dist allowing the least.
I like the hawks and cheered for them every game but being a pirate fan wylie wins
Wylie 49
hebron 21
:eek::D

and really if you think about it wylie lost to both plano and allen by 10pts combined... WOW!!

HebronHawk
11-17-2008, 06:12 AM
What offense? Iwuji running every down? I think not

Nobody has stopped him yet!

Why do you overlook Staten?

HebronHawk
11-17-2008, 06:12 AM
You act like Hebron is the only team on the field....Wylie has many offensive weapons, and a much much better Defense....no my friend, You will see.....I love this part of the Hebron games, all you guys on here thinking your invinsible.....funny. Wylie people were pulling for you after the first week because we are both very similar, but to be honest, i liked you a lot better when you were humble.

That's our job. :D

HebronHawk
11-17-2008, 06:14 AM
All I saw Saturday was Iwuji keeping the ball every other play. Against Wylie earlier in the season, I believe he had under 100 yards rushing and lead the team. I'm not saying Hebron won't pass. What I'm staying is if it's QB keepers all day, I don't think Hebron succeeds. Brazil and his coaching staff are smart, so I belive they'll gameplan to stay from constant keepers. But, we'll see.

I imagine that Nikita will have something to say about runs up the middle.

HebronHawk
11-17-2008, 06:17 AM
I really believe they will "open up" the pass quite a bit more! Phillip Mitchell (11) has had a bad knee most of the season. He is extremely fast and catches everything thrown to him . Norman (4) is the same way...tremendous hands and is very physical. Iwuji can throw....you will see..

Philip Mitchell was injured for the entire second half of the first Wylie game. Wylie scored all of their points in the second half.

Hmmmmm.

HebronHawk
11-17-2008, 06:18 AM
You act like Hebron is the only team on the field....Wylie has many offensive weapons, and a much much better Defense....no my friend, You will see.....I love this part of the Hebron games, all you guys on here thinking your invinsible.....funny. Wylie people were pulling for you after the first week because we are both very similar, but to be honest, i liked you a lot better when you were humble.

We like Wylie too, when we aren't playing you. After all, how many times has Hebron played Wylie.

A bunch. You are one of our original opponents. :)

sportsjunkie40
11-17-2008, 07:18 AM
Philip Mitchell was injured for the entire second half of the first Wylie game. Wylie scored all of their points in the second half.

Hmmmmm.


Wylie coaches were injured in the first half, going out of the shotgun from the 1 on 4th down..........hmmmmm, lol;)

statguy
11-17-2008, 09:53 AM
In answer to the earlier question why Iwuji had more carries then Staten it's simple, he was gimpy most of the game. Not sure what happened but he was limitied. I noticed he was on the trainers table mid second qtr getting stretched out.

In fact, in the 2nd to last drive of the game for the Hawks if he was 100% he most likely would have scored the go ahead touchdown as he was wide open on a wheel route out of the backfield and Iwuji just over thru him. A healthy Daruis Staten makes that play ;)


Anyways, a win is a win... The Hawks live to play another week... after all thats all that matters....:)

HSFootball#1
11-17-2008, 09:57 AM
In answer to the earlier question why Iwuji had more carries then Staten it's simple, he was gimpy most of the game. Not sure what happened but he was limitied. I noticed he was on the trainers table mid second qtr getting stretched out.

In fact, in the 2nd to last drive of the game for the Hawks if he was 100% he most likely would have scored the go ahead touchdown as he was wide open on a wheel route out of the backfield and Iwuji just over thru him. A healthy Daruis Staten makes that play ;)


Anyways, a win is a win... The Hawks live to play another week... after all thats all that matters....:)

For one more week only. :D

sportsjunkie40
11-17-2008, 09:59 AM
I imagine that Nikita will have something to say about runs up the middle.

Yes, i would imagine he would....

LAHawk
11-17-2008, 10:20 AM
You act like Hebron is the only team on the field....Wylie has many offensive weapons, and a much much better Defense....no my friend, You will see.....I love this part of the Hebron games, all you guys on here thinking your invinsible.....funny. Wylie people were pulling for you after the first week because we are both very similar, but to be honest, i liked you a lot better when you were humble.

We can be humble and also enjoy a little friendly smack talk at the same time. That's the beauty of this board. We will pump up Hebron, you will pump up Wylie, each of us will say their team will win, make some derogatory remarks about the other team, but after the game the loser will be man enough to congratulate the winner, and the winner will be humble enough to accept the praise.

As far as everyone thinking we are invinsible, that is just not the case. We look at the first three games and know overwise. But we also know that this team has improved tremendously and the Hebron fans have seen the potential this team has. And what we've seen is they can beat Wylie, but it's going to take a 100% effort on both sides of the ball. Anything less will probably not get it done.

texan_75010
11-17-2008, 10:45 AM
We can be humble and also enjoy a little friendly smack talk at the same time. That's the beauty of this board. We will pump up Hebron, you will pump up Wylie, each of us will say their team will win, make some derogatory remarks about the other team, but after the game the loser will be man enough to congratulate the winner, and the winner will be humble enough to accept the praise.

As far as everyone thinking we are invinsible, that is just not the case. We look at the first three games and know overwise. But we also know that this team has improved tremendously and the Hebron fans have seen the potential this team has. And what we've seen is they can beat Wylie, but it's going to take a 100% effort on both sides of the ball. Anything less will probably not get it done.

Could not have said it better myself...ditto! Wylie has great fans and Hebron does as well. If you didn't believe your team had a fighting chance, why would you come here to post? I have made bold claims about the Hawks in the past...sometimes it ends up with me eating crow and other times the kids back it up. Either way, I am sitting on the sidelines and have no direct input in to the teams success or failure. In the end, I am just a guy who likes high school football and I pull for Hebron because that's where my kids attend school. Knowing this keeps me humble, but it still doesnt prohibit me from talking a little smack does it?

I would suggest that if you take this all too seriously, you are going to end up in bitter disappointment because odds are, you will not win a state championship year after year. But I can assure you that if you believe that your team can do just that, you would be in good company here....myself included!!!

Having said that, Hebron is going to roll......instead of being a 14-0 lead like in the first meeting, this time they wont let up...it will be 28-0 by half!

Hows that for smack?:D

sportsjunkie40
11-17-2008, 10:45 AM
Wylie has improved as well, which should make this a great game....We expect to win just as much as you guys do.....I just wonder how many fans will be there for the game sandwiched between SLC/CHILL and Plano/Trinity? I am sure that the upper level will be used. I have been talking to my son about it all and he is really looking forward to it. One of my buddies from high school coaches at Hebron, and he and my son yap it up during the games....lol

Maxthedog
11-17-2008, 10:48 AM
Yes, i would imagine he would....

I'm not going to wager a pick in this game, I am going to watch this game just to see Whitlock play. That kid is so much fun to watch. He is relentless and physical, and most of the people he lines up against are much larger than he is. The beauty of High School football, a kid that is too small to be playing NG, but controls the line of scrimmage. Every play, Fanatical effort from this young man!
Fun Fun Fun

sportsjunkie40
11-17-2008, 10:48 AM
Could not have said it better myself...ditto! Wylie has great fans and Hebron does as well. If you didn't believe your team had a fighting chance, why would you come here to post? I have made bold claims about the Hawks in the past...sometimes it ends up with me eating crow and other times the kids back it up. Either way, I am sitting on the sidelines and have no direct input in to the teams success or failure. In the end, I am just a guy who likes high school football and I pull for Hebron because that's where my kids attend school. Knowing this keeps me humble, but it still doesnt prohibit me from talking a little smack does it?

I would suggest that if you take this all too seriously, you are going to end up in bitter disappointment because odds are, you will not win a state championship year after year. But I can assure you that if you believe that your team can do just that, you would be in good company here....myself included!!!

Having said that, Hebron is going to roll......instead of being a 14-0 lead like in the first meeting, this time they wont let up...it will be 28-0 by half!

Hows that for smack?:D


Are you the one who posted a picture of yourself eating Crow? If you are, i really liked that.....it shows character.....By the way, if you couldnt stop LD Bell from running all over you with the same play over and over, i can assure you, you wont stop us.

sportsjunkie40
11-17-2008, 10:50 AM
I'm not going to wager a pick in this game, I am going to watch this game just to see Whitlock play. That kid is so much fun to watch. He is relentless and physical, and most of the people he lines up against are much larger than he is. The beauty of High School football, a kid that is too small to be playing NG, but controls the line of scrimmage. Every play, Fanatical effort from this young man!
Fun Fun Fun

He is a great kid too, he works very hard......I think he can play LB in college....

texan_75010
11-17-2008, 10:53 AM
Are you the one who posted a picture of yourself eating Crow? If you are, i really liked that.....it shows character.....By the way, if you couldnt stop LD Bell from running all over you with the same play over and over, i can assure you, you wont stop us.

Yep...that was me...and the crow.

The bend but dont break defense worked last year for a deep run....has worked this year....

I think the biggest difference you will see in this game is that Hebron is going to go to a ground game to keep your offense off the field. It worked with Coppell and SLC, both of them had high scoring offenses that were partly shut down by the defense, but were also kept off the field by a grinding ground game.

If Wylie stops the run like Bell did, then it swings in Wylie's favor....if not, it will be low scoring and favor Hebron. Just my opinion.

sportsjunkie40
11-17-2008, 11:00 AM
Yep...that was me...and the crow.

The bend but dont break defense worked last year for a deep run....has worked this year....

I think the biggest difference you will see in this game is that Hebron is going to go to a ground game to keep your offense off the field. It worked with Coppell and SLC, both of them had high scoring offenses that were partly shut down by the defense, but were also kept off the field by a grinding ground game.

If Wylie stops the run like Bell did, then it swings in Wylie's favor....if not, it will be low scoring and favor Hebron. Just my opinion.

Man, i love that...you have become our #1 Hebron fan. You are right about the running game, you gotta do that to great offenses. We have been able to shut down most teams running games this year, our biggest problem has been teams that throw the ball well.......you guys dont really do that well either, you run well from the spread formation. Are you gonna stay for all of those other games?

sportsjunkie40
11-17-2008, 11:01 AM
I wouldnt say you dont throw it well, but your strength is def. your rushing.....

LAHawk
11-17-2008, 11:09 AM
Could not have said it better myself...ditto! Wylie has great fans and Hebron does as well. If you didn't believe your team had a fighting chance, why would you come here to post? I have made bold claims about the Hawks in the past...sometimes it ends up with me eating crow and other times the kids back it up. Either way, I am sitting on the sidelines and have no direct input in to the teams success or failure. In the end, I am just a guy who likes high school football and I pull for Hebron because that's where my kids attend school. Knowing this keeps me humble, but it still doesnt prohibit me from talking a little smack does it?

I would suggest that if you take this all too seriously, you are going to end up in bitter disappointment because odds are, you will not win a state championship year after year. But I can assure you that if you believe that your team can do just that, you would be in good company here....myself included!!!

Having said that, Hebron is going to roll......instead of being a 14-0 lead like in the first meeting, this time they wont let up...it will be 28-0 by half!

Hows that for smack?:D

+1! I'm right there with you, brother.:D

LAHawk
11-17-2008, 11:16 AM
Man, i love that...you have become our #1 Hebron fan. You are right about the running game, you gotta do that to great offenses. We have been able to shut down most teams running games this year, our biggest problem has been teams that throw the ball well.......you guys dont really do that well either, you run well from the spread formation. Are you gonna stay for all of those other games?

I know you threw this to texan_75010, so sorry for the interception. But I'll be there for the first three games. Don't know about Coppell/Allen. There's a little game going on in Norman that I would like to catch on the tube.

We have met some Wylie fans at times this year and enjoyed watching a few games with them. Look forward to hopefully meeting a few more at some point.

sportsjunkie40
11-17-2008, 12:29 PM
I know you threw this to texan_75010, so sorry for the interception. But I'll be there for the first three games. Don't know about Coppell/Allen. There's a little game going on in Norman that I would like to catch on the tube.

We have met some Wylie fans at times this year and enjoyed watching a few games with them. Look forward to hopefully meeting a few more at some point.

Im gonna stay as long as i can, im sure my wife and i will take two vehicles.....I want to catch that game as well, if i am feeling really motivated i will bring my little TV and watch both.....

HAWKA4
11-17-2008, 01:06 PM
HAWKS WIN!! HAWKS WIN!!

That is just my prediction.

For that to happen, they need to stop that NG. Holy Crap is he good. There is a nice article on him on HSgametime. I think that is where I saw it. He has something like 76 tackles, 8 sacks and two blocked punts. That was before Friday nights game. So that has doubled now. Irving could not contain him using three guys. ManChild!!

Hebron does throw the Pigskin very well. You just don't see it that often, because we haven't had to. Ask Bell what happens when we throw. That was an awful game. But a win is a win is a win.

Good luck to both teams on Saturday. I heard 2pm is that right?

Oh yeah,

GO HAWKS!!!

SWMHebron
11-17-2008, 01:07 PM
I figured out the problem with the Bell game. I didn't wear my lucky bracelet!!! I had my shirt and earrings. I'll be sure to wear all of it Saturday, and I also just found a penny face up on the sidewalk.

texan_75010
11-17-2008, 01:12 PM
Man, i love that...you have become our #1 Hebron fan. You are right about the running game, you gotta do that to great offenses. We have been able to shut down most teams running games this year, our biggest problem has been teams that throw the ball well.......you guys dont really do that well either, you run well from the spread formation. Are you gonna stay for all of those other games?

My oldest daughter who is in the army, is coming in from South Carolina for a few days of hometown recruiting....my wife wants to spend time with her...pick her up from the airport....talk to her....boring stuff like that...I am going to slip away for at least the Hebron game....them lose track of time and watch ET smash Plano.

sportsjunkie40
11-17-2008, 01:16 PM
My oldest daughter who is in the army, is coming in from South Carolina for a few days of hometown recruiting....my wife wants to spend time with her...pick her up from the airport....talk to her....boring stuff like that...I am going to slip away for at least the Hebron game....them lose track of time and watch ET smash Plano.

Well, tell her thanks for her service, I am in the USMC myself. Im not so sure about the ET/Plano game, but i dont think Plano will be able to stop them on Defense......

sportsjunkie40
11-17-2008, 01:18 PM
HAWKS WIN!! HAWKS WIN!!

That is just my prediction.

For that to happen, they need to stop that NG. Holy Crap is he good. There is a nice article on him on HSgametime. I think that is where I saw it. He has something like 76 tackles, 8 sacks and two blocked punts. That was before Friday nights game. So that has doubled now. Irving could not contain him using three guys. ManChild!!

Hebron does throw the Pigskin very well. You just don't see it that often, because we haven't had to. Ask Bell what happens when we throw. That was an awful game. But a win is a win is a win.

Good luck to both teams on Saturday. I heard 2pm is that right?

Oh yeah,

GO HAWKS!!!

I was at the game and would attribute those completions to a combo of Good QB/ and bad defense (calls and playmaking)...

HebronDad
11-17-2008, 02:26 PM
+1! I'm right there with you, brother.:D

+1 also...

Heaven forbid we root for our team. Let's not give the impression we're proud of the guys for the winning streak and support the team this year, that looks like chest thumping and being cocky. Sheesh...

SWMHebron
11-17-2008, 02:30 PM
HAWKS WIN!! HAWKS WIN!!

That is just my prediction.

For that to happen, they need to stop that NG. Holy Crap is he good. There is a nice article on him on HSgametime. I think that is where I saw it. He has something like 76 tackles, 8 sacks and two blocked punts. That was before Friday nights game. So that has doubled now. Irving could not contain him using three guys. ManChild!!

Hebron does throw the Pigskin very well. You just don't see it that often, because we haven't had to. Ask Bell what happens when we throw. That was an awful game. But a win is a win is a win.

Good luck to both teams on Saturday. I heard 2pm is that right?

Oh yeah,

GO HAWKS!!!

I am in total agreement with your sentiment. However I have slept a few times and seen a few football games since Hebron played Wylie. Was the NG a major factor in that game?

xtremeh
11-17-2008, 02:45 PM
Are you the one who posted a picture of yourself eating Crow? If you are, i really liked that.....it shows character.....By the way, if you couldnt stop LD Bell from running all over you with the same play over and over, i can assure you, you wont stop us.


You amaze me SportsJunkie. You sound just like the SLC fans (I do like those guys..) prior to our game with them. We had come off an uninspired effort against Lewisville to the tune of 10-3. We followed that up with a sincere a-- kicking of SLC. Don't believe me....ask them. Darius Staten OUTRUSHED Burkhead in the Plano game. Did Wylie have a back that ran for half the yards Burkhead had on Wylie? If you think Brazil and crew doen't remember the season opening loss to Wylie and the way that felt....you are kidding yourself. Just remember one thing....rematches can be a problem!!

BTW one.of the Wylie fans said your QB ran a 4.5-4.5 40. If he runs a 4.5 40....I run a 10.0 100meter and I am 50+...:D

Wypirates03
11-17-2008, 02:51 PM
You amaze me SportsJunkie. You sound just like the SLC fans (I do like those guys..) prior to our game with them. We had come off an uninspired effort against Lewisville to the tune of 10-3. We followed that up with a sincere a-- kicking of SLC. Don't believe me....ask them. Darius Staten OUTRUSHED Burkhead in the Plano game. Did Wylie have a back that ran for half the yards Burkhead had on Wylie? If you think Brazil and crew doen't remember the season opening loss to Wylie and the way that felt....you are kidding yourself. Just remember one thing....rematches can be a problem!!

BTW one.of the Wylie fans said your QB ran a 4.5-4.5 40. If he runs a 4.5 40....I run a 10.0 100meter and I am 50+...:D

Burkhead had 66 yards rushing against Wylie. Knott had 81 yards on the ground and Monk had 49 rushing yards.

sportsjunkie40
11-17-2008, 03:03 PM
You amaze me SportsJunkie. You sound just like the SLC fans (I do like those guys..) prior to our game with them. We had come off an uninspired effort against Lewisville to the tune of 10-3. We followed that up with a sincere a-- kicking of SLC. Don't believe me....ask them. Darius Staten OUTRUSHED Burkhead in the Plano game. Did Wylie have a back that ran for half the yards Burkhead had on Wylie? If you think Brazil and crew doen't remember the season opening loss to Wylie and the way that felt....you are kidding yourself. Just remember one thing....rematches can be a problem!!

BTW one.of the Wylie fans said your QB ran a 4.5-4.5 40. If he runs a 4.5 40....I run a 10.0 100meter and I am 50+...:D

Im glad i amaze you stud, first Monk does not run a 4.5, he runs a 4.66 ish, but gets around well.....Also, im not referrring to you guys on here now, but before the season started it was really funny, the things that were coming out of some people who obviously had no idea about the game.....I havent seen them since......so dont worry about me, just do your thing, You guys have already said that you played bad against Wylie, as we played horrible too...it was the first game of the season. We will all see what happens this week. Good luck.

xtremeh
11-17-2008, 03:14 PM
Im glad i amaze you stud, first Monk does not run a 4.5, he runs a 4.66 ish, but gets around well.....Also, im not referrring to you guys on here now, but before the season started it was really funny, the things that were coming out of some people who obviously had no idea about the game.....I havent seen them since......so dont worry about me, just do your thing, You guys have already said that you played bad against Wylie, as we played horrible too...it was the first game of the season. We will all see what happens this week. Good luck.

Well...all I remember is that in 05 there were some Wylie fans coming online shooting their mouth off before that Quarterfinal Playoff Game.....and how did THAT work out for them??

Food for thought....Food for thought:rolleyes:

Wypirates03
11-17-2008, 03:16 PM
Well...all I remember is that in 05 there were some Wylie fans coming online shooting their mouth off before that Quarterfinal Playoff Game.....and how did THAT work out for them??

Food for thought....Food for thought:rolleyes:

That was 3 years ago... this is now. Two totally different teams.

xtremeh
11-17-2008, 03:17 PM
If Monk runs a 4.6....just remember our unheralded NT Odiara runs a legit 4.5. That is not to mention several others on that defense can fly.....

As TO would say.......getchur popcorn ready.

The Hawks will show-up!

sportsjunkie40
11-17-2008, 03:18 PM
Well...all I remember is that in 05 there were some Wylie fans coming online shooting their mouth off before that Quarterfinal Playoff Game.....and how did THAT work out for them??

Food for thought....Food for thought:rolleyes:


Yep, same to you my man, I was not one of them, my son was in JR High, but i can believe it happened....;)

HebronDad
11-17-2008, 03:21 PM
If Monk runs a 4.6....just remember our unheralded NT Odiara runs a legit 4.5. That is not to mention several others on that defense can fly.....

As TO would say.......getchur popcorn ready.

The Hawks will show-up!

Rivals lists Monk at a 4.7

NHB06
11-17-2008, 03:23 PM
I am going to pick Hebron to win in double overtime by 3. 1) It is much more difficult to beat a team the second time around. 2) Wylie has shown an inability to win the big game (ie Plano, Allen). Hebron 24 Wylie 21

rich_pack
11-17-2008, 03:25 PM
Wylie has gotten alot better since the first week of pre-season, not really seen a difference in Hebron, besides playing an average SLC team. I say the Wylie defense shuts Hebron down and Monk has a field day on them.

Wylie-45
Hebron-17

sportsjunkie40
11-17-2008, 03:27 PM
If Monk runs a 4.6....just remember our unheralded NT Odiara runs a legit 4.5. That is not to mention several others on that defense can fly.....

As TO would say.......getchur popcorn ready.

The Hawks will show-up!


Man, you must be proud.Our NT hopefully will be able to at least come close to him.....;)

Stuck_In_The_Middle
11-17-2008, 03:35 PM
I really like Hebron in this game, but if they bring that damned horn into TS again, I prey they never see the endzone again. Currently reading "sign language for idiots" after Saturday's game.:rolleyes:

In all seriousness, Hebron is the truth. Love that O-Line.:notworthy

NHB06
11-17-2008, 03:39 PM
I really like Hebron in this game, but if they bring that damned horn into TS again, I prey they never see the endzone again. Currently reading "sign language for idiots" after Saturday's game.:rolleyes:

In all seriousness, Hebron is the truth. Love that O-Line.:notworthy

Isn't Wylie the team with the horn?????:confused:

Stuck_In_The_Middle
11-17-2008, 03:42 PM
Isn't Wylie the team with the horn?????:confused:

Not sure about Wylie.............I have first ear experience with the "Hebron Ear Raper"

HebronDad
11-17-2008, 03:44 PM
We got one now. It's insanely loud... It's remote controlled and pushes up to 150 psi through 12 horns. One of our Dads built it for the team.

xtremeh
11-17-2008, 03:46 PM
Man, you must be proud.Our NT hopefully will be able to at least come close to him.....;)

Hey...I give props to your NT. Ever heard of our "average" O-LINE? They are mediocre at best. They couldn't block a good Jr. high team:cool:

sportsjunkie40
11-17-2008, 03:49 PM
Hey...I give props to your NT. Ever heard of our "average" O-LINE? They are mediocre at best. They couldn't block a good Jr. high team:cool:

Well i guess you would consider Hebron less than that because they did a pretty good job the first game, now i can see that you are just talking....you almost got me. Thanks for the convo...

LAHawk
11-17-2008, 03:53 PM
Wylie has gotten alot better since the first week of pre-season, not really seen a difference in Hebron, besides playing an average SLC team. I say the Wylie defense shuts Hebron down and Monk has a field day on them.

Wylie-45
Hebron-17

Appareantly you havn't seen Hebron in person this year. Only going on what you've read? The team now is NOT the same team that played the first game. Whatever improvements Wylie has made since week 0, Hebron has matched it.

An average SLC team? An average team just put a whuppin on a team that came close to beating Trinity. Ask Heritage if SLC is average.

sportsjunkie40
11-17-2008, 03:58 PM
Appareantly you havn't seen Hebron in person this year. Only going on what you've read? The team now is NOT the same team that played the first game. Whatever improvements Wylie has made since week 0, Hebron has matched it.

An average SLC team? An average team just put a whuppin on a team that came close to beating Trinity. Ask Heritage if SLC is average.

Ive seen Hebron play twice, you must be at our practices to know the improvements that we have made "since you matched them"...but lets face it, If LD Bells coaches had managed the game/clock better, you wouldnt be on here now. But you got to win some games like that along the way.....Say whatever you want:D

slcdragonfan
11-17-2008, 04:03 PM
You amaze me SportsJunkie. You sound just like the SLC fans (I do like those guys..) prior to our game with them. We had come off an uninspired effort against Lewisville to the tune of 10-3. We followed that up with a sincere a-- kicking of SLC. Don't believe me....ask them. Darius Staten OUTRUSHED Burkhead in the Plano game. Did Wylie have a back that ran for half the yards Burkhead had on Wylie? If you think Brazil and crew doen't remember the season opening loss to Wylie and the way that felt....you are kidding yourself. Just remember one thing....rematches can be a problem!!

BTW one.of the Wylie fans said your QB ran a 4.5-4.5 40. If he runs a 4.5 40....I run a 10.0 100meter and I am 50+...:D

HEY!!!:mad:

yeah, you beat us, but we were 30-28 in the fourth quarter. I don't like calling it an A-- whuppin', but I will say that it is the worst defeat that SLC has had since entering 5A football, good enough?;):notworthy
well, maybe a spank or two on the fanny
But, we are hoping we get to dance again, this year.:p

slcdragonfan
11-17-2008, 04:04 PM
Wylie has gotten alot better since the first week of pre-season, not really seen a difference in Hebron, besides playing an average SLC team. I say the Wylie defense shuts Hebron down and Monk has a field day on them.

Wylie-45
Hebron-17

No r.e.s.p.e.c.t. I am positively feeling very Rodney Dangerfield lately...

NHB06
11-17-2008, 04:05 PM
We got one now. It's insanely loud... It's remote controlled and pushes up to 150 psi through 12 horns. One of our Dads built it for the team.

LOL. Wylie has a train horn, too. The horns will be dueling all night long. Hopefully, it will be a low scoring game.

slcdragonfan
11-17-2008, 04:05 PM
Not sure about Wylie.............I have first ear experience with the "Hebron Ear Raper"

ROTFLMAO, yeah, hate those things, would rather be at 'The Library'.

sportsjunkie40
11-17-2008, 04:09 PM
Yea, i kinda get annoyed by the Horn myself, but i think that stupid cat sound (Plano) is bad too;)

LAHawk
11-17-2008, 04:15 PM
Ive seen Hebron play twice, you must be at our practices to know the improvements that we have made "since you matched them"...but lets face it, If LD Bells coaches had managed the game/clock better, you wouldnt be on here now. But you got to win some games like that along the way.....Say whatever you want:D

Hey, I'll be the first to admit that I thought Hebron was dead in the water. I was already planning what I was going to do this Saturday without a Hebron game.

I was just trying to counter rich_pack's claim that Hebron is not any different now than the first game. I think most would beg to differ.

dragonpants
11-17-2008, 04:17 PM
Is there nothing between squeaker and a blow out?

Hebron by 10

sportsjunkie40
11-17-2008, 04:19 PM
sometimes it just happens like that though.....we had Plano down with 3 minutes left and couldnt hold it......

LAHawk
11-17-2008, 04:19 PM
LOL. Wylie has a train horn, too. The horns will be dueling all night long. Hopefully, it will be a low scoring game.

Jerry will be selling earplugs at the concession stand. $7.50/pair and they will confiscate them if you try to bring them in.

HebronDad
11-17-2008, 04:22 PM
Is there nothing between squeaker and a blow out?

Hebron by 10


I believe it has to do with the brand of Chili and if there are beans in it or not... ;)

xtremeh
11-17-2008, 05:22 PM
HEY!!!:mad:

yeah, you beat us, but we were 30-28 in the fourth quarter. I don't like calling it an A-- whuppin', but I will say that it is the worst defeat that SLC has had since entering 5A football, good enough?;):notworthy
well, maybe a spank or two on the fanny
But, we are hoping we get to dance again, this year.:p


Hey slcdragonfan....no disrespect....really. I have all kinds of respect for your program and have had for years. I am rooting you on in the play-offs and have many times in the past. You must admit....if 2 RB's run for 200 yrds a piece on a defense.....that is pretty much an A__ Whipping. Hey...William Cole and Cedar Hill put an A__Whipping on us @ the Woodshed the opening game of 2006...I know what it feels like! We got a rude awakening to 5-A ALTHOUGH Cedar Hill went ahead and won the State Championship that year soooo........

slcdragonfan
11-17-2008, 06:06 PM
Hey slcdragonfan....no disrespect....really. I have all kinds of respect for your program and have had for years. I am rooting you on in the play-offs and have many times in the past. You must admit....if 2 RB's run for 200 yrds a piece on a defense.....that is pretty much an A__ Whipping. Hey...William Cole and Cedar Hill put an A__Whipping on us @ the Woodshed the opening game of 2006...I know what it feels like! We got a rude awakening to 5-A ALTHOUGH Cedar Hill went ahead and won the State Championship that year soooo........

I prefer not to look at the rushing yards but rather the score in that one, I call fan preference ...;)

Anyway, just joking with ya'.

PirateFan
11-17-2008, 06:26 PM
Has the smack begun yet......

Wylie and Hebron hmmmmm..... AGAIN?? WoW! this game will be the best of the days games IMO but thats just me. rematches seem to bring something more to the table and let me tell you its a big table ladies and gentlemen. im not trying to take away from the other great games Saturday which they are all equally as great its just with the horns blowing flags flying wylie/hebron game will be the most intense

allendad
11-17-2008, 06:34 PM
Go PIRATES!


Us Allen folk are wit cha'all ! ! ! ! ! !

drgnbkr
11-17-2008, 06:40 PM
Has the smack begun yet......

Wylie and Hebron hmmmmm..... AGAIN?? WoW! this game will be the best of the days games IMO but thats just me. rematches seem to bring something more to the table and let me tell you its a big table ladies and gentlemen. im not trying to take away from the other great games Saturday which they are all equally as great its just with the horns blowing flags flying wylie/hebron game will be the most intense

It seems to be a day of rematches: Carroll/Cedar Hill first up, Hebron/Wylie, then Plano/Trinity....My picks are Carroll, Hebron, and Trinity. Coppell/Allen? Gotta go with Allen.

PirateFan
11-17-2008, 06:43 PM
It seems to be a day of rematches: Carroll/Cedar Hill first up, Hebron/Wylie, then Plano/Trinity....My picks are Carroll, Hebron, and Trinity. Coppell/Allen? Gotta go with Allen.
We gots a Horn.... TOOT TOOT!!!!

abileneeagles311
11-17-2008, 06:48 PM
i think the only reason i'm going for hebron is because i wanna see a slc vs. hebron rematch in round 4......... GO HAWKS!!!!

HebronHawk
11-17-2008, 09:57 PM
Are you the one who posted a picture of yourself eating Crow? If you are, i really liked that.....it shows character.....By the way, if you couldnt stop LD Bell from running all over you with the same play over and over, i can assure you, you wont stop us.

We finally stopped them, got the ball back and won the game in 1:50. :D

HebronHawk
11-17-2008, 09:59 PM
Man, i love that...you have become our #1 Hebron fan. You are right about the running game, you gotta do that to great offenses. We have been able to shut down most teams running games this year, our biggest problem has been teams that throw the ball well.......you guys dont really do that well either, you run well from the spread formation. Are you gonna stay for all of those other games?

We won the Bell game with the pass, so I know your coaches won't overlook it.

HebronHawk
11-17-2008, 10:04 PM
Not sure about Wylie.............I have first ear experience with the "Hebron Ear Raper"

It's new. Plano didn't see it yet. :D

Neither has Wylie. :D:D

HebronHawk
11-17-2008, 10:05 PM
We got one now. It's insanely loud... It's remote controlled and pushes up to 150 psi through 12 horns. One of our Dads built it for the team.

It even rocked Texas Stadium last week. We didn't blow it enough though.

We need more TD's against Wylie. ;):D

dragonbuck
11-17-2008, 10:11 PM
Come on Hawks. We aren't looking ahead, but if you don't hold up your end of the bargain, we have no chance for a rematch. Dragons are peaking at the right time. Good luck 6-5A.

HebronHawk
11-17-2008, 10:16 PM
Wylie will be tough but they are going home Saturday for the season. :cool:

sportsjunkie40
11-18-2008, 07:01 AM
blah blah blah blah This sounds just like the beginning of the season....

HebronHawk
11-18-2008, 07:15 AM
blah blah blah blah This sounds just like the beginning of the season....

Hopefully Hebron will keep the scoring up for the entire game instead of just for the 1st half.

:D

JagFan
11-18-2008, 07:48 AM
Gotta go with Hebron. Good luck and hope you get to blow your new horn lots:D

Buford T Justice
11-18-2008, 09:12 AM
It is the beginning of the season Sportsjunkie. Your OFFSEASON.

A little skip shot for ya

HSFootball#1
11-18-2008, 09:23 AM
Boy this will be a noisy game at TS? Two schools using those fake horns since their bands can't play loud enough for them? Two losers using fake sounds how depressing.

JagFan
11-18-2008, 09:43 AM
Boy this will be a noisy game at TS? Two schools using those fake horns since their bands can't play loud enough for them? Two losers using fake sounds how depressing.

That's the purpose. To make more noise!! :p Don't ever call Hebron a loser:mad:I have watched that program grow and they have built a great program on and off the field.

LAHawk
11-18-2008, 09:56 AM
Boy this will be a noisy game at TS? Two schools using those fake horns since their bands can't play loud enough for them? Two losers using fake sounds how depressing.

This is at least the second time you've referred to teams that use artificial noise makers as losers. Just curious, which team do you support? You seem to be all over the place from your posts.

LAHawk
11-18-2008, 09:59 AM
Boy this will be a noisy game at TS? Two schools using those fake horns since their bands can't play loud enough for them? Two losers using fake sounds how depressing.

I don't think Wylie classifies as a loser, either. You, on the otherhand...

HebronDad
11-18-2008, 10:11 AM
I don't think Wylie classifies as a loser, either. You, on the otherhand...

LAHawk -

He doesn't have any skin in this game...

Rule #1 - Don't feed the trolls.

sportsjunkie40
11-18-2008, 10:27 AM
It is the beginning of the season Sportsjunkie. Your OFFSEASON.

A little skip shot for ya

You better hope......but my wife said i cant be on here anymore till after the game :D i might have to go next door.....

rhpride
11-18-2008, 10:27 AM
Hebron 27
Wylie 24

sportsjunkie40
11-18-2008, 10:29 AM
This is at least the second time you've referred to teams that use artificial noise makers as losers. Just curious, which team do you support? You seem to be all over the place from your posts.

He prob. hasnt picked his team yet, he will after this weekends games....

LAHawk
11-18-2008, 10:34 AM
LAHawk -

He doesn't have any skin in this game...

Rule #1 - Don't feed the trolls.

I know. Sometimes you just can't help yourself, they look so pitiful.

BTW, how's G's ankle?

HSFootball#1
11-18-2008, 10:34 AM
What difference does the team make. Any team that has to use a fake noise maker in my opinion is a loser. If your fans and band can not make enough noise then why do you have to stoop so low as to find some annoying fake noise maker. This is football not a train or a semi truck. Sorry if your fans and band suck that bad that you have to use these. Real winners don't! So if you don't want me to call your team a loser then stop with the crappy things. btw Wylie 35 - Hebron 28.:D

slcdragonfan
11-18-2008, 10:41 AM
What difference does the team make. Any team that has to use a fake noise maker in my opinion is a loser. If your fans and band can not make enough noise then why do you have to stoop so low as to find some annoying fake noise maker. This is football not a train or a semi truck. Sorry if your fans and band suck that bad that you have to use these. Real winners don't! So if you don't want me to call your team a loser then stop with the crappy things. btw Wylie 35 - Hebron 28.:D

Texas Tech has a bell, Texas has a cannon, etc etc. They are #'s1 and 3 in the nation. Much as I also dislike 'em, they are a part of football. In fact, I prefer the bell and cannon to the horns.:)

texan_75010
11-18-2008, 10:43 AM
Great article on Hebron's QB...

http://www.hsgametime.com/dfw/sharedcontent/dws/content/topstories/stories/111808dnspohswixoncol.305c223.html


First game of the year Wylie got a noob QB. Now he is a vet with alot of high pressure games under his belt. He is a difference maker of the highest magnitude. I think this is a huge point that is being overlooked.

Does Wylie have such a high impact player who started on varsity this year?

WildcatFan2
11-18-2008, 10:47 AM
Great article on Hebron's QB...

http://www.hsgametime.com/dfw/sharedcontent/dws/content/topstories/stories/111808dnspohswixoncol.305c223.html


First game of the year Wylie got a noob QB. Now he is a vet with alot of high pressure games under his belt. He is a difference maker of the highest magnitude. I think this is a huge point that is being overlooked.

Does Wylie have such a high impact player who started on varsity this year?

Whitlock or Monk, take your pick.

The difference in this game will be Wylie's defense and their intensity.

Wylie 38

Hebron 21

texan_75010
11-18-2008, 10:56 AM
Whitlock or Monk, take your pick.

The difference in this game will be Wylie's defense and their intensity.

Wylie 38

Hebron 21

Could have sworn Monk started last year.....

texan_75010
11-18-2008, 11:44 AM
Whitlock or Monk, take your pick.

The difference in this game will be Wylie's defense and their intensity.

Wylie 38

Hebron 21

Looks like the both were starters last year. My point was, Iwuji did not start last year. He now has a season's worth of starts under his belt and he will be much improved. Whitlock and Monk were not on the same learning curve and therefore will have diminished returns on their playing time this year....at least when compared with Iwuji.

This gives Hebron a bigger edge especially since we are talking about the guy who touches the ball on every down.

HebronDad
11-18-2008, 11:49 AM
I know. Sometimes you just can't help yourself, they look so pitiful.

BTW, how's G's ankle?

100%. He reports to AFA in June. He's tired of being at the house. Going stir crazy. He's bulked up alot and killing me on the grocery bill. He's ready to go... Thanks

HSFootball#1
11-18-2008, 12:05 PM
Looks like the both were starters last year. My point was, Iwuji did not start last year. He now has a season's worth of starts under his belt and he will be much improved. Whitlock and Monk were not on the same learning curve and therefore will have diminished returns on their playing time this year....at least when compared with Iwuji.

This gives Hebron a bigger edge especially since we are talking about the guy who touches the ball on every down.

Can you please explain this? How would 1 year experience be an advantage over 3 years experience and give Hebron an advantage?

Sure seems like a homer statement?:rolleyes:

texan_75010
11-18-2008, 12:28 PM
Can you please explain this? How would 1 year experience be an advantage over 3 years experience and give Hebron an advantage?

Sure seems like a homer statement?:rolleyes:

Law of diminishing returns.....Your first bite of pizza is the most enjoyable bite and all bites afterwards a less and less enjoyable.

Your first football start gives you the most opportunity to learn and each start after gives you less and less opportunity. After your third season your learning curve is relativly flat when compared to a first season player.

I would agree that the preference would be a three year starter, but that's not what I am comparing. What is being compared is percentage change in knowledge and experience gained between Iwuji and Hebron vs Wylie.

I am not saying that it's a disadvantage to have many returning starters. What I am saying is, there will be more of a dramatic difference in the performance and results of a team led by a first year man...when you compare game 1 to game 10.

Based on this, when you take two teams and play them twice in a season, the team with the less experienced players will have a more dramatic improvement in performance than will the experienced team. When the less experienced player is the QB, it multiplies that difference because they handle the ball every play.

Therefore, Wylie, in theory, will bring a similar team to the playing field this Saturday as they did in the first game while Hebron will be much improved in the play of the QB position which translates in an overall rise in the level of play of the entire squad.

This may or may not result in a win. A couple of seasons ago Hebron played Cedar Hill twice. While Hebron's performance was much improved from the first game to the second, Ceder Hill's overall performance remained the same. Unfortunatly, it was still good enough to dish out another beat down and send Hebron home for the holidays.

Wylie won the first meeting by 7. I believe that statistically speaking Hebron brings enough change from the first game to the second to overcome the 7 point deficit and will actually win.

Hey, I am an analyst by trade so it makes sense to me...I hope I explained myself adequatly.

Wypirates03
11-18-2008, 12:33 PM
Wylie will not bring a similar team. That's an assumption from someone who maybe has seen them once this year... if that. Wylie has changed their offense up a bit, they've changed their whole defensive formation. They have receivers who have 2 years of full experience and are now catching the ball! They have a RB who did not play last year who had nearly 1000 yards rushing this season. They're a different team too. But, it doesn't matter who makes the most changes if they lose.

HSFootball#1
11-18-2008, 12:38 PM
Law of diminishing returns.....Your first bite of pizza is the most enjoyable bite and all bites afterwards a less and less enjoyable.

Your first football start gives you the most opportunity to learn and each start after gives you less and less opportunity. After your third season your learning curve is relativly flat when compared to a first season player.

I would agree that the preference would be a three year starter, but that's not what I am comparing. What is being compared is percentage change in knowledge and experience gained between Iwuji and Hebron vs Wylie.

I am not saying that it's a disadvantage to have many returning starters. What I am saying is, there will be more of a dramatic difference in the performance and results of a team led by a first year man...when you compare game 1 to game 10.

Based on this, when you take two teams and play them twice in a season, the team with the less experienced players will have a more dramatic improvement in performance than will the experienced team. When the less experienced player is the QB, it multiplies that difference because they handle the ball every play.

Therefore, Wylie, in theory, will bring a similar team to the playing field this Saturday as they did in the first game while Hebron will be much improved in the play of the QB position which translates in an overall rise in the level of play of the entire squad.

This may or may not result in a win. A couple of seasons ago Hebron played Cedar Hill twice. While Hebron's performance was much improved from the first game to the second, Ceder Hill's overall performance remained the same. Unfortunatly, it was still good enough to dish out another beat down and send Hebron home for the holidays.

Wylie won the first meeting by 7. I believe that statistically speaking Hebron brings enough change from the first game to the second to overcome the 7 point deficit and will actually win.

Hey, I am an analyst by trade so it makes sense to me...I hope I explained myself adequatly.

Must be a financial analyst to come up with that hog wash. Whatever makes you feel better dude. I would go with a 3 year QB over a 1 year QB. Years of experience should not be compared to eating Pizza, but with your logic reheated pizza is better anyday.

HebronDad
11-18-2008, 12:40 PM
Must be a financial analyst to come up with that hog wash. Whatever makes you feel better dude. I would go with a 3 year QB over a 1 year QB. Years of experience should not be compared to eating Pizza, but with you logic reheated pizza is better anyday.

You don't understand his reasoning... He's saying "new" pizza is better than "re-heated" pizza. Work with me... :)

HSFootball#1
11-18-2008, 12:42 PM
You don't understand his reasoning... He's saying "new" pizza is better than "re-heated" pizza. Work with me... :)

Understood his illogic analysis, Italian food is always better reheated.:D

texan_75010
11-18-2008, 12:49 PM
Understood his illogic analysis, Italian food is always better reheated.:D

Perhaps I can use an analogy that is better suited to your level of understanding.

Law of diminishing returns.....your first amorous encounter with your sibling is more exhilarating than each subsequent encounter. :D

HSFootball#1
11-18-2008, 12:56 PM
Perhaps I can use an analogy that is better suited to your level of understanding.

Law of diminishing returns.....your first amorous encounter with your sibling is more exhilarating than each subsequent encounter. :D

Simply amazing...guess I have to stoop to your level so you can understand Bolt is a lot better then Mickey.

Now I understand your avatar.:rolleyes:

texan_75010
11-18-2008, 01:02 PM
Simply amazing...guess I have to stoop to your level so you can understand Bolt is a lot better then Mickey.

Now I understand your avatar.:rolleyes:

Clearly this concept is well beyond your level of understanding. Perhaps an economics class is in order. :D I give up. Pearls before swine.....

LAHawk
11-18-2008, 01:05 PM
Clearly this concept is well beyond your level of understanding. Perhaps an economics class is in order. :D I give up. Pearls before swine.....

:notworthy Greatness.

HSFootball#1
11-18-2008, 01:09 PM
:notworthy Greatness.

Oh as childish non-football knowledgable as texan_75010. Had to put you on the Ignorant Poster Hunting Season (http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=40582) thread since you fall into this category. :rolleyes:

texan_75010
11-18-2008, 01:27 PM
:notworthy Greatness.

Worst thing for trolls is feeding them...shame on me for breaking the rules.

PirateParent2011
11-18-2008, 01:53 PM
Law of diminishing returns.....Your first bite of pizza is the most enjoyable bite and all bites afterwards a less and less enjoyable.

Your first football start gives you the most opportunity to learn and each start after gives you less and less opportunity. After your third season your learning curve is relativly flat when compared to a first season player.

I would agree that the preference would be a three year starter, but that's not what I am comparing. What is being compared is percentage change in knowledge and experience gained between Iwuji and Hebron vs Wylie.

I am not saying that it's a disadvantage to have many returning starters. What I am saying is, there will be more of a dramatic difference in the performance and results of a team led by a first year man...when you compare game 1 to game 10.

Based on this, when you take two teams and play them twice in a season, the team with the less experienced players will have a more dramatic improvement in performance than will the experienced team. When the less experienced player is the QB, it multiplies that difference because they handle the ball every play.

Therefore, Wylie, in theory, will bring a similar team to the playing field this Saturday as they did in the first game while Hebron will be much improved in the play of the QB position which translates in an overall rise in the level of play of the entire squad.

This may or may not result in a win. A couple of seasons ago Hebron played Cedar Hill twice. While Hebron's performance was much improved from the first game to the second, Ceder Hill's overall performance remained the same. Unfortunatly, it was still good enough to dish out another beat down and send Hebron home for the holidays.

Wylie won the first meeting by 7. I believe that statistically speaking Hebron brings enough change from the first game to the second to overcome the 7 point deficit and will actually win.

Hey, I am an analyst by trade so it makes sense to me...I hope I explained myself adequatly.

And so it shall be repeated on Saturday! Happy Holidays Hebron! :D

HebronDad
11-18-2008, 02:00 PM
Worst thing for trolls is feeding them...shame on me for breaking the rules.

You should know better tex.

FYI, we're on the same side os TS as last week. Just found out.

http://stix1972.typepad.com/stix_blog/images/2007/11/12/pearls200711195241.jpg

LAHawk
11-18-2008, 02:06 PM
You should know better tex.

FYI, we're on the same side os TS as last week. Just found out.

http://stix1972.typepad.com/stix_blog/images/2007/11/12/pearls200711195241.jpg

Once again, greatness! Best comic strip ever. :notworthy

LAHawk
11-18-2008, 02:16 PM
And so it shall be repeated on Saturday! Happy Holidays Hebron! :D

Thanks, and the same to you.

Just make sure you have the correct address to send our presents to.
That would be:

One Reliant Park
Houston, TX 77054

texan_75010
11-18-2008, 02:28 PM
Thanks, and the same to you.

Just make sure you have the correct address to send our presents to.
That would be:

One Reliant Park
Houston, TX 77054

:notworthy Nice! :notworthy

PirateParent2011
11-18-2008, 02:32 PM
Thanks, and the same to you.

Just make sure you have the correct address to send our presents to.
That would be:

One Reliant Park
Houston, TX 77054

:laugh Good one!

Seriously though, good luck to both teams for an injury free game on Saturday.

LAHawk
11-18-2008, 02:37 PM
:laugh Good one!

Seriously though, good luck to both teams for an injury free game on Saturday.

Absolutely. As fans, parents, etc., that's all that we should ask for.

texan_75010
11-18-2008, 02:40 PM
:laugh Good one!

Seriously though, good luck to both teams for an injury free game on Saturday.

AMEN to that!

Very classy PirateParent....very classy. :notworthy

slcdragonfan
11-18-2008, 05:55 PM
Bump. This one is too much fun to let it go stale.

HebronDad
11-18-2008, 06:59 PM
Bump. This one is too much fun to let it go stale.

Keep taking care of business on Sat. slcdragonfan... The Dragons looked awesome on Saturday... Keep District 6-5A going baby.

We're looking forward to having a 6-5A battle down the road. Hebron has a respectable, but bad taste from C-HILL in the prior seasons (with respect...)

Go 6-5A !!!

HebronHawk
11-18-2008, 07:13 PM
And so it shall be repeated on Saturday! Happy Holidays Hebron! :D

CHill won a State Championship that year (2006) with an undefeated season. Do you think Wylie is at that level right now?

Wypirates03
11-18-2008, 07:24 PM
CHill won a State Championship that year (2006) with an undefeated season. Do you think Wylie is at that level right now?

I'll bite, and I'm sure we'll mingle in the press box Saturday as well. :notworthy

I'm not quite sure I'd say Wylie is on CHILL's level of 2006. They run 2 different offensive schemes, and they win different ways. Wylie comes out firing and tries to get the early big lead. CHILL will play to their opponents level and then come out in the second half. I believe if the two teams were to play this year, Wylie would win. But, that's just my though. If this year's team played the 2006 Cedar Hill... I'm not quite sure. It would be a good game, but Cedar Hill had a REALLY good team that year.

Wylie is the type of team that will finesse their way down field. Cedar Hill - They'll power their way through you. Ben Malena will wear any team down. It just depends on who they playing as to how their offense will fare. We'll have to see how they play Saturday morning. I'll save you a seat ;)

If I was to take either teams defense, I will take Wylie's. But, that's my homerism (if that's word) talking.

HebronHawk
11-18-2008, 07:30 PM
I'll bite, and I'm sure we'll mingle in the press box Saturday as well. :notworthy

I'm not quite sure I'd say Wylie is on CHILL's level of 2006. They run 2 different offensive schemes, and they win different ways. Wylie comes out firing and tries to get the early big lead. CHILL will play to their opponents level and then come out in the second half. I believe if the two teams were to play this year, Wylie would win. But, that's just my though. If this year's team played the 2006 Cedar Hill... I'm not quite sure. It would be a good game, but Cedar Hill had a REALLY good team that year.

Wylie is the type of team that will finesse their way down field. Cedar Hill - They'll power their way through you. Ben Malena will wear any team down. It just depends on who they playing as to how their offense will fare. We'll have to see how they play Saturday morning. I'll save you a seat ;)

If I was to take either teams defense, I will take Wylie's. But, that's my homerism (if that's word) talking.

I wouldn't put Wylie anywhere close to 2006 CHill, so we agree there.

Wylie didn't have a single point on Hebron in the 1st half during Week 0.

Hebron lost Philip Mitchell in the 2nd half (he goes both ways) and frankly, looked gassed during most of the 2nd half.

The team is way past that point.

Both teams have improved and this is a rare opportunity for two teams to take a second measurement.

We both are calling for our teams to win, which is to be expected.

I feel that the game will be close and well fought to the last second.

I would give you sage advice not to let up in the last 1:50 of the contest. :D

slcdragonfan
11-18-2008, 07:33 PM
Keep taking care of business on Sat. slcdragonfan... The Dragons looked awesome on Saturday... Keep District 6-5A going baby.

We're looking forward to having a 6-5A battle down the road. Hebron has a respectable, but bad taste from C-HILL in the prior seasons (with respect...)

Go 6-5A !!!

Planning on doing just that, and hoping for the second. We beat CHILL last year pretty definitively. This year is a different matter.

slcdragonfan
11-18-2008, 07:34 PM
I wouldn't put Wylie anywhere close to 2006 CHill, so we agree there.

Wylie didn't have a single point on Hebron in the 1st half during Week 0.

Hebron lost Philip Mitchell in the 2nd half (he goes both ways) and frankly, looked gassed during most of the 2nd half.

The team is way past that point.

Both teams have improved and this is a rare opportunity for two teams to take a second measurement.

We both are calling for our teams to win, which is to be expected.

I feel that the game will be close and well fought to the last second.

I would give you sage advice not to let up in the last 1:50 of the contest. :D

Should be another epic battle.

SMELL-IT!
11-18-2008, 08:06 PM
My heavy hearted prediction: (hope I make it to the game) Hebron MUST, MUST stop the run! I feel the good old D-LINE will come through! If the Hawks get an early lead, (I realize what happened Zero week with the 14 pt lead) However, two different teams. I do not think the Pirates can play catch up with this team now. It is now play-offs my friends and the Hawks are becoming all to familar with playing at the WOODSHED south. So come on hitch a ride, (a little musical ref.) down to the old, smelly, rat filled, but great place to play Texas Stadium. :notworthy Hebron 28 Wylie 17 and thats the fact Jack!!:D

LAHawk
11-19-2008, 11:11 AM
Wylie A-H-M-O-S-T gonna beat the Hawks!

marcusdrillmom
11-19-2008, 11:19 AM
I am going with Hebron in a close one. I think after the scare last week against Bell, they will come out strong.

Bazil is a great coach and Hebron is one tough team!


GO Hawks

PirateParent2011
11-19-2008, 11:20 AM
My heavy hearted prediction: (hope I make it to the game) Hebron MUST, MUST stop the run! I feel the good old D-LINE will come through! If the Hawks get an early lead, (I realize what happened Zero week with the 14 pt lead) However, two different teams. I do not think the Pirates can play catch up with this team now. It is now play-offs my friends and the Hawks are becoming all to familar with playing at the WOODSHED south. So come on hitch a ride, (a little musical ref.) down to the old, smelly, rat filled, but great place to play Texas Stadium. :notworthy Hebron 28 Wylie 17 and thats the fact Jack!!:D

Do you guys REALLY believe your going to hold a team that's averaging 40.09 PPG to just 17 points? I don't think your "D" is quite that good! :D

LAHawk
11-19-2008, 11:30 AM
Do you guys REALLY believe your going to hold a team that's averaging 40.09 PPG to just 17 points? I don't think your "D" is quite that good! :D

It really doesn't matter how many points Wylie scores, just as long as Hebron scores more.

Prediction:

Hebron - 40.10
Wylie - 40.09

:D

PirateParent2011
11-19-2008, 11:33 AM
It really doesn't matter how many points Wylie scores, just as long as Hebron scores more.

Prediction:

Hebron - 40.10
Wylie - 40.09

:D

:D Touché!

HebronDad
11-19-2008, 11:42 AM
It really doesn't matter how many points Wylie scores, just as long as Hebron scores more.

Prediction:

Hebron - 40.10
Wylie - 40.09

:D


Classic !!!

"We speak your name" - Oprah

sportsjunkie40
11-19-2008, 12:40 PM
wow.....thats all i can say......drill team moms, business plans, band boosters, electric dog wax repairmen.....you guys are taking this thread to a whole new level....i still cant stay away though...

texan_75010
11-19-2008, 01:05 PM
Do you guys REALLY believe your going to hold a team that's averaging 40.09 PPG to just 17 points? I don't think your "D" is quite that good! :D

Both Coppell and SLC thought that too....;)

LAHawk
11-19-2008, 01:05 PM
wow.....thats all i can say......drill team moms, business plans, band boosters, electric dog wax repairmen.....you guys are taking this thread to a whole new level....i still cant stay away though...

Thanks for joining us.:D

sportsjunkie40
11-19-2008, 01:16 PM
Not me, i failed out of the course.....;)

BTW Hawk Fan
11-19-2008, 01:48 PM
Both Coppell and SLC thought that too....;)

and Flower Mound, too.... :D

Looking forward to a GREAT game Saturday....and the only bad part is that it is only Wed. and we have to wait a few more days

Go HAWKS ! BTW... and then some :D

PirateParent2011
11-19-2008, 01:51 PM
and flower mound, too.... :d

looking forward to a great game saturday....and the only bad part is that it is only wed. And we have to wait a few more days

go hawks ! Btw... And then some :d

Ditto!

WildcatFan2
11-19-2008, 03:29 PM
Have the gates opened yet? I want to make sure and get a good seat! :D

Wypirates03
11-19-2008, 05:23 PM
We like Wylie too, when we aren't playing you. After all, how many times has Hebron played Wylie.

A bunch. You are one of our original opponents. :)

This will be the 7th meeting - Both teams are 3-3. Wylie won the first 2, Hebron 3 in a row, then Wylie this year.

Wypirates03
11-19-2008, 05:29 PM
It even rocked Texas Stadium last week. We didn't blow it enough though.

We need more TD's against Wylie. ;):D

LOL! I never noticed it last week!

LAHawk
11-19-2008, 07:13 PM
LOL! I never noticed it last week!

Try opening the windows to the press box. That might help. :D

Wypirates03
11-19-2008, 09:42 PM
Try opening the windows to the press box. That might help. :D

LOL! Come to think of it, I don't think I heard Wylie's on Friday night either. I did hear Wylie's when they spammed it during the pregame. I'll listen for Hebron's Saturday!

Frog66
11-19-2008, 10:27 PM
The Pirates are the best team in the state now...and they know it...because it's the truth.

Monk and Whitlock are definitive leaders on their respective sides of the ball, and they'll play their best ball all the way through the play-offs.

Many of the other Pirates (Pittman, Jordan, Menchaca, Ball, Mathers, Moore, Pollay, Cheshier, Boyefio, and Smith...to name a few) are now playing great ball as well.

It will probably be a good game, but Hebron's going home.

xtremeh
11-19-2008, 11:05 PM
Frog66.....you are dreaming. Who has Wylie beaten this year (except for Hebron by 7....losing @ one point 14-0 in the 3rd QTR) that is such a POWERHOUSE??? name me ONE stout opponent the Pirates beat handily??

Don't tell me....Mesquite Horn, Plano East, Plano West, Jesuit, or Irving. Name me a legitiment / impressive win.:(

Wypirates03
11-19-2008, 11:47 PM
Frog66.....you are dreaming. Who has Wylie beaten this year (except for Hebron by 7....losing @ one point 14-0 in the 3rd QTR) that is such a POWERHOUSE??? name me ONE stout opponent the Pirates beat handily??

Don't tell me....Mesquite Horn, Plano East, Plano West, Jesuit, or Irving. Name me a legitiment / impressive win.:(

Sarcasm at it's finest!

PirateParent2011
11-19-2008, 11:53 PM
Frog66.....you are dreaming. Who has Wylie beaten this year (except for Hebron by 7....losing @ one point 14-0 in the 3rd QTR) that is such a POWERHOUSE??? name me ONE stout opponent the Pirates beat handily??

Don't tell me....Mesquite Horn, Plano East, Plano West, Jesuit, or Irving. Name me a legitiment / impressive win.:(

Lets see...besides holding that POWERHOUSE Hebron team scoreless in the 1st, 3rd & 4th quarters and scoring 21 unanswered points in the second half against that POWERHOUSE Hebron "D" winning Wylie vs Hebron I 21-14...we beat one STOUT Rowlett team 45-21. :rolleyes:

Now I do agree with you that Frog is dreaming...Wylie is not the best team in the state right now. That title belongs to the current Div I & II state champions (ET & Katy).

xtremeh
11-20-2008, 12:23 AM
Lets see...besides holding that POWERHOUSE Hebron team scoreless in the 1st, 3rd & 4th quarters and scoring 21 unanswered points in the second half against that POWERHOUSE Hebron "D" winning Wylie vs Hebron I 21-14...we beat one STOUT Rowlett team 45-21. :rolleyes:

Now I do agree with you that Frog is dreaming...Wylie is not the best team in the state right now. That title belongs to the current Div I & II state champions (ET & Katy).


Is Rowlett that STOUT team who by chance got throttled last week in the 1st round of the playoffs. Hebron has beaten 3 teams who CRUSHED their 1st round opponents....Comprende?:D

Not to mention the Hawks beat a very physical team in Flower Mound Marcus team who lost a very tough battle with Trinity 24-10

Dain Bramage
11-20-2008, 07:14 AM
Wylie scored more points (31/28) and had more offense (433/383) against Plano and Allen than against the Hawks (21 & 320) in the season opener. So they average 40.9 per game. Big deal. That didn't help Coppell or SLC who were averaging 46 & 41.3 when they played us but were held to 17 & 28 (and both lost).

The Hawks are not the same team Wylie played in August. Sorry Wylie, your season ends Saturday. :cool:

HSFootball#1
11-20-2008, 08:44 AM
Wylie scored more points (31/28) and had more offense (433/383) against Plano and Allen than against the Hawks (21 & 320) in the season opener. So they average 40.9 per game. Big deal. That didn't help Coppell or SLC who were averaging 46 & 41.3 when they played us but were held to 17 & 28 (and both lost).

The Hawks are not the same team Wylie played in August. Sorry Wylie, your season ends Saturday. :cool:

Like either team is? But probably same results. ;)

LAHawk
11-20-2008, 08:49 AM
Like either team is? But probably same results. ;)

Glad to see you comin' around to the good guy's side. :notworthy I take back everything I said or thought about you.:D

HSFootball#1
11-20-2008, 08:52 AM
Glad to see you comin' around to the good guy's side. :notworthy I take back everything I said or thought about you.:D

Well I appreciate that. But what you thought may have been true, one never knows for sure?:D

sportsjunkie40
11-20-2008, 11:52 AM
Well we have been doing a little research that we now call the "Hebron Theory". Wylie will easily win for the following reasons;
1. Since we last played, my son took defensive driving.

2. It was a clear day when we played last, it will be partly cloudy on Sat.

3. Our QB has a new girlfriend, the one he had during the first game has moved....

4. The Wylie drill team has been working on a routine that was not performed at Hebron.

So using all of these factors, and using the "Hebron Model", It is easy to see that Wylie will win by 10. ;)

sportsjunkie40
11-20-2008, 11:54 AM
Like either team is? But probably same results. ;)


I agree, the same results as last time.....

texan_75010
11-20-2008, 12:02 PM
Well we have been doing a little research that we now call the "Hebron Theory". Wylie will easily win for the following reasons;
1. Since we last played, my son took defensive driving.

2. It was a clear day when we played last, it will be partly cloudy on Sat.

3. Our QB has a new girlfriend, the one he had during the first game has moved....

4. The Wylie drill team has been working on a routine that was not performed at Hebron.

So using all of these factors, and using the "Hebron Model", It is easy to see that Wylie will win by 10. ;)


According to my research, all pirates are busy hijacking ships off the coast of Somalia. The marching band was spotted on a satelite photo on the deck of an oil tanker, running through drills.

If they manage to get to TS by Saturday their shoes will be too oil soaked to gain any traction and they will get pushed around by the Hawk offense.

This is known as the "Woily Theory"

sportsjunkie40
11-20-2008, 12:04 PM
According to my research, all pirates are busy hijacking ships off the coast of Somalia. The marching band was spotted on a satelite photo on the deck of an oil tanker, running through drills.

If they manage to get to TS by Saturday their shoes will be too oil soaked to gain any traction and they will get pushed around by the Hawk offense.

This is known as the "Woily Theory"

LOL thats it, i spent a year in Somalia.....not a very good vacation destination, plus they dont play real football over there....

PirateParent2011
11-20-2008, 12:15 PM
Is Rowlett that STOUT team who by chance got throttled last week in the 1st round of the playoffs. Hebron has beaten 3 teams who CRUSHED their 1st round opponents....Comprende?:D

Not to mention the Hawks beat a very physical team in Flower Mound Marcus team who lost a very tough battle with Trinity 24-10

Oh, I comprende just fine my friend. :D Yeh, Rowlett is a STOUT team...they played very well in their district and made it to the playoffs...nuff said. Here's another STOUT team we played this year...Plano. Lost 38-31. Let's see...you guys played them also. Plano 41 Hebron 28. :eek: I know..."we're a different team than we where at the beginning of the year". :rolleyes::D

LAHawk
11-20-2008, 12:15 PM
I agree, the same results as last time.....

TS officials just announced that because of the expected length of the SC/CHill game and wanting to make sure the Trinity/Plano game starts on time, the Hebron/Wylie game will be reduced to the first half only. Hebron wins, 14-0.

SWMHebron
11-20-2008, 12:32 PM
TS officials just announced that because of the expected length of the SC/CHill game and wanting to make sure the Trinity/Plano game starts on time, the Hebron/Wylie game will be reduced to the first half only. Hebron wins, 14-0.

:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy


GO HAWKS

HebronDad
11-20-2008, 12:47 PM
Well we have been doing a little research that we now call the "Hebron Theory". Wylie will easily win for the following reasons;

1. Since we last played, my son took defensive driving.

2. It was a clear day when we played last, it will be partly cloudy on Sat.

3. Our QB has a new girlfriend, the one he had during the first game has moved....

4. The Wylie drill team has been working on a routine that was not performed at Hebron.

So using all of these factors, and using the "Hebron Model", It is easy to see that Wylie will win by 10. ;)

You're in our prayers... :notworthy Love getting those X-Mas cards from the insurance agent with his family on his new boat.

sportsjunkie40
11-20-2008, 12:59 PM
You're in our prayers... :notworthy Love getting those X-Mas cards from the insurance agent with his family on his new boat.

Yep, i know what you mean......LOL

WildcatFan2
11-20-2008, 01:21 PM
Frog66.....you are dreaming. Who has Wylie beaten this year (except for Hebron by 7....losing @ one point 14-0 in the 3rd QTR) that is such a POWERHOUSE??? name me ONE stout opponent the Pirates beat handily??

Don't tell me....Mesquite Horn, Plano East, Plano West, Jesuit, or Irving. Name me a legitiment / impressive win.:(

Oh, I don't know..... Hebron at the Woodshed? Unless you don't consider them legit?

xtremeh
11-20-2008, 02:33 PM
Oh, I don't know..... Hebron at the Woodshed? Unless you don't consider them legit?

Thank you Wildcatfan....my exact point. Game one Wylie beat Hebron BY 7.

The last time I checked Hebron has beaten some "pretty good opponents" from that point forward as in a combined record of oooohhhhh lets say......53-17. Tell me Wylie came close to beating teams of that caliber as in WINS/LOSSES. Playing someone close is not good enough. ASK PLANO if they felt secure in their win over Hebron. The Hawks could have very easily won the game as I am sure Wylie feels the same. Darius Staten OUTRUSHED Burkhead.

Now it has nothing to do with how cool their uniforms are, how cool their mascots are, how good their bands are, OR how big their stadiums are, bottomline....where are the quality wins???

Wypirates03
11-20-2008, 02:40 PM
Thank you Wildcatfan....my exact point. Game one Wylie beat Hebron BY 7.

The last time I checked Hebron has beaten some "pretty good opponents" from that point forward as in a combined record of oooohhhhh lets say......53-17. Tell me Wylie came close to beating teams of that caliber as in WINS/LOSSES. Playing someone close is not good enough. ASK PLANO if they felt secure in their win over Hebron. The Hawks could have very easily won the game as I am sure Wylie feels the same. Darius Staten OUTRUSHED Burkhead.

Now it has nothing to do with how cool their uniforms are, how cool their mascots are, how good their bands are, OR how big their stadiums are, bottomline....where are the quality wins???

Ok, and Hebron has beaten 1 good team of the 4 they played...

HSFootball#1
11-20-2008, 02:52 PM
Thank you Wildcatfan....my exact point. Game one Wylie beat Hebron BY 7.

The last time I checked Hebron has beaten some "pretty good opponents" from that point forward as in a combined record of oooohhhhh lets say......53-17. Tell me Wylie came close to beating teams of that caliber as in WINS/LOSSES. Playing someone close is not good enough. ASK PLANO if they felt secure in their win over Hebron. The Hawks could have very easily won the game as I am sure Wylie feels the same. Darius Staten OUTRUSHED Burkhead.

Now it has nothing to do with how cool their uniforms are, how cool their mascots are, how good their bands are, OR how big their stadiums are, bottomline....where are the quality wins???

Interesting analysis...you don't consider it quality win to come from behind 14-0 to win 21-14 and you guys get beat in 3 straight games at the start of season and both got beat by Plano by 7 and you lost by 13 while giving up 153 yards to Burkhead and they held him to 66? Your only quality win was SLC others are so-so teams. Seems like you need more to brag about or state then this. As an outsider I can see this going either way but think Wylie has a slight edge?

xtremeh
11-20-2008, 02:59 PM
Interesting analysis...you don't consider it quality win to come from behind 14-0 to win 21-14 and you guys get beat in 3 straight games at the start of season and both got beat by Plano by 7 and you lost by 13 while giving up 153 yards to Burkhead and they held him to 66? Your only quality win was SLC others are so-so teams. Seems like you need more to brag about or state then this. As an outsider I can see this going either way but think Wylie has a slight edge?

HSFootball#1 it is not bragging....simple facts. I guess you are going to tell me that Wylie would hammer FM MARCUS, ABILENE COOPER, FLOWER MOUND, COPPELL, & SLC? Do your homework. I can assure you....those teams are NOT "SO-SO" compared to the likes of Plano East, Plano West, Rowlett, Mesquite Horn, etc....

Flower Mound or Coppell (can't remember) BURIED Plano East. Did Wylie do that??

Wypirates03
11-20-2008, 03:04 PM
HSFootball#1 it is not bragging....simple facts. I guess you are going to tell me that Wylie would hammer FM MARCUS, ABILENE COOPER, FLOWER MOUND, COPPELL, & SLC? Do your homework. I can assure you....those teams are NOT "SO-SO" compared to the likes of Plano East, Plano West, Rowlett, Mesquite Horn, etc....

Flower Mound or Coppell (can't remember) BURIED Plano East. Did Wylie do that??

Ok, ... if you're going to bring up Plano East... what the hell happened in the Hebron vs. Lewisville game???... and you guys almost lost to LD BELL!... Should have lost to LD Bell

xtremeh
11-20-2008, 03:05 PM
HSFootball#1 it is not bragging....simple facts. I guess you are going to tell me that Wylie would hammer FM MARCUS, ABILENE COOPER, FLOWER MOUND, COPPELL, & SLC? Do your homework. I can assure you....those teams are NOT "SO-SO" compared to the likes of Plano East, Plano West, Rowlett, Mesquite Horn, etc....

Flower Mound or Coppell (can't remember) BURIED Plano East. Did Wylie do that??

Made a mistake here.....FM or Coppell did not play Plano East....it was DeSoto....sorry

xtremeh
11-20-2008, 03:08 PM
Ok, ... if you're going to bring up Plano East... what the hell happened in the Hebron vs. Lewisville game???... and you guys almost lost to LD BELL!... Should have lost to LD Bell

Well....just as I mentioned several post ago. In 2005 Hebron beat Greenville in a bi-district struggle 20-17 only to play Wylie the following week.....and you tell me what happened?? Ughhhhh was it something to the tune of 42-21 OR WORSE?:eek:

Wypirates03
11-20-2008, 03:09 PM
Well....just as I mentioned several post ago. In 2005 Hebron beat Greenville in a bi-district struggle 20-17 only to play Wylie the following week.....and you tell me what happened?? Ughhhhh was it something to the tune of 42-21 OR WORSE?:eek:

Again, you bring up 3 years ago... Why do you feel the need to go back through time (more than this current season) when you know you're bringing up unjust arguments?

Wypirates03
11-20-2008, 03:10 PM
Made a mistake here.....FM or Coppell did not play Plano East....it was DeSoto....sorry

You were right the first time. PESH lost to FM 40-8.

Here's a link to the teams schedules so you can do some research before you post again.

http://www.hsgametime.com/dfw/schoolinfo.htm?propertyId=1&schoolId=0&infoType=areaStandings&infoType=areaStandings&areaGroupId=185&sportId=3

JagFan
11-20-2008, 03:11 PM
HSFootball#1 it is not bragging....simple facts. I guess you are going to tell me that Wylie would hammer FM MARCUS, ABILENE COOPER, FLOWER MOUND, COPPELL, & SLC? Do your homework. I can assure you....those teams are NOT "SO-SO" compared to the likes of Plano East, Plano West, Rowlett, Mesquite Horn, etc....

Flower Mound or Coppell (can't remember) BURIED Plano East. Did Wylie do that??

Flower Mound 40 Plano East 8

JagFan
11-20-2008, 03:13 PM
Made a mistake here.....FM or Coppell did not play Plano East....it was DeSoto....sorry

Flower Mound 48 DeSoto 27

WildcatFan2
11-20-2008, 03:15 PM
Made a mistake here.....FM or Coppell did not play Plano East....it was DeSoto....sorry

Try again, it was Flower Mound, but last I remembered PESH wasn't playing this week.

Yes, it was week 1 for Hebron, it was also week one for Wylie.... so what. Wylie gave Plano and Allen everything they could handle and could have easily won, being a Plano fan, I'm glad Plano held them off. Their defense is outstanding. They are the only team to hold Burkhead under 100, fortunately Plano isn't one dimensional.

Staten may have "outrushed" Burkhead, but Burkhead WAS the difference in the game - rushing, receiving, and special teams.

Hebron is good, but I think Wylie has the better defense.

Wylie 35
Hebron 21

PirateParent2011
11-20-2008, 03:34 PM
You were right the first time. PESH lost to FM 40-8.

Here's a link to the teams schedules so you can do some research before you post again.

http://www.hsgametime.com/dfw/schoolinfo.htm?propertyId=1&schoolId=0&infoType=areaStandings&infoType=areaStandings&areaGroupId=185&sportId=3

Yeh, but it was PESH's 1st game of the year and they were a different team later in the year then what that 1st game shows...they beat Boyd 49-27 in their final game of the season. I mean come on...totally different team. Much improved from the beginning of the season. Isn't that the REAL "Hebron Theory"? ;):rolleyes:

Wypirates03
11-20-2008, 03:46 PM
Yeh, but it was PESH's 1st game of the year and they were a different team later in the year then what that 1st game shows...they beat Boyd 49-27 in their final game of the season. I mean come on...totally different team. Much improved from the beginning of the season. Isn't that the REAL "Hebron Theory"? ;):rolleyes:

That's my point. He's talking trash about early games when his own team went 0-3 to start the season.

PirateParent2011
11-20-2008, 03:49 PM
That's my point. He's talking trash about early games when his own team went 0-3 to start the season.

Yep!

LAHawk
11-20-2008, 04:00 PM
On paper, this should be the best match up of the day. Both teams are very evenly matched, with both having their respective advantages and disadvantages on offense and defense. Is the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/ /><st1:City w:st=</st1:City>Hebron offense better than the Wylie Defense? Is the <st1:City w:st="on">Hebron</st1:City> defense better than the Wylie offense? Could be, maybe, probably, I don’t know. We can talk about the respective schedules, wins and losses, common opponents, the first meeting, how each team has progressed since then, etc. until we are blue in the face. But fact is, I don’t think anyone can honestly say one team is clearly head & shoulders better than the other. If you stopped ten unbiased people on the street and had them look over the stats and pick a winner, five would pick Wylie and five would pick He<st1:City w:st="on">bron</st1:City>. That’s how evenly matched I think this game is.
</O:p
So what does that mean? It means that the game will come down to that one critical stop, that one critical turnover, that one critical mistake, or that one critical first down at the end of the game. I don’t believe in the saying, “it will come down to the team that wants it more”. Trust me, both of these teams want it just as badly as the other team. I would be very surprised if one team gets up on the other by a wide margin at any point in the game. A wide margin meaning 17 points or better. With these two defenses, a 14 point deficit would be a very tough hill to climb, albeit possible. But being 17 down would be flat out lethal.
</O:p
I’m predicting, or should I say, hoping for a <st1:City w:st="on">Hebron</st1:City> victory. But is that how it will turn out? Could be, maybe, probably, I don’t know.

Wypirates03
11-20-2008, 04:07 PM
On paper, this should be the best match up of the day. Both teams are very evenly matched, with both having their respective advantages and disadvantages on offense and defense. Is the <st1:city w:st=" border=" 0="" alt=""></st1:city>Hebron offense better than the Wylie Defense? Is the <st1:city w:st="on">Hebron</st1:city> defense better than the Wylie offense? Could be, maybe, probably, I don’t know. We can talk about the respective schedules, wins and losses, common opponents, the first meeting, how each team has progressed since then, etc. until we are blue in the face. But fact is, I don’t think anyone can honestly say one team is clearly head & shoulders better than the other. If you stopped ten unbiased people on the street and had them look over the stats and pick a winner, five would pick Wylie and five would pick He<st1:city w:st="on">bron</st1:city>. That’s how evenly matched I think this game is.
:p
So what does that mean? It means that the game will come down to that one critical stop, that one critical turnover, that one critical mistake, or that one critical first down at the end of the game. I don’t believe in the saying, “it will come down to the team that wants it more”. Trust me, both of these teams want it just as badly as the other team. I would be very surprised if one team gets up on the other by a wide margin at any point in the game. A wide margin meaning 17 points or better. With these two defenses, a 14 point deficit would be a very tough hill to climb, albeit possible. But being 17 down would be flat out lethal.
:p
I’m predicting, or should I say, hoping for a <st1:city w:st="on">Hebron</st1:city> victory. But is that how it will turn out? Could be, maybe, probably, I don’t know.

Exactly! Good post.

That was precisely my point... although I took the other route to try to come to that conclusion. I get fed up with people when they try to bring up other games that have no direct relationship to the game being played. i.e. FM vs. PESH, FM vs. DeSoto. Not only that, but what happens if one of the star players goes down in the first quarter? How much will that affect the outcome of the game. Will there be enough compensation from the other kids on the field to overcome such a tough loss? How hard have the teams worked during the week? Will they come out tired and not be able to keep in the game?

There are a lot of things that play into the game that we do not see on an everyday basis. We'll just have to wait until Saturday afternoon to find out.

PirateParent2011
11-20-2008, 04:15 PM
On paper, this should be the best match up of the day. Both teams are very evenly matched, with both having their respective advantages and disadvantages on offense and defense. Is the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/ /><st1:City alt=</st1:City>Hebron offense better than the Wylie Defense? Is the <st1:City w:st="on">Hebron</st1:City> defense better than the Wylie offense? Could be, maybe, probably, I don’t know. We can talk about the respective schedules, wins and losses, common opponents, the first meeting, how each team has progressed since then, etc. until we are blue in the face. But fact is, I don’t think anyone can honestly say one team is clearly head & shoulders better than the other. If you stopped ten unbiased people on the street and had them look over the stats and pick a winner, five would pick Wylie and five would pick He<st1:City w:st="on">bron</st1:City>. That’s how evenly matched I think this game is.
</O:p
So what does that mean? It means that the game will come down to that one critical stop, that one critical turnover, that one critical mistake, or that one critical first down at the end of the game. I don’t believe in the saying, “it will come down to the team that wants it more”. Trust me, both of these teams want it just as badly as the other team. I would be very surprised if one team gets up on the other by a wide margin at any point in the game. A wide margin meaning 17 points or better. With these two defenses, a 14 point deficit would be a very tough hill to climb, albeit possible. But being 17 down would be flat out lethal.
</O:p
I’m predicting, or should I say, hoping for a <st1:City w:st="on">Hebron</st1:City> victory. But is that how it will turn out? Could be, maybe, probably, I don’t know.

:notworthy Good take on this matchup. Maybe Hebron will win. Maybe they won't. Maybe Wylie will win. Maybe they won't. We will see Saturday.

sportsjunkie40
11-20-2008, 04:17 PM
On paper, this should be the best match up of the day. Both teams are very evenly matched, with both having their respective advantages and disadvantages on offense and defense. Is the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/ /><st1:City alt=</st1:City>Hebron offense better than the Wylie Defense? Is the <st1:City w:st="on">Hebron</st1:City> defense better than the Wylie offense? Could be, maybe, probably, I don’t know. We can talk about the respective schedules, wins and losses, common opponents, the first meeting, how each team has progressed since then, etc. until we are blue in the face. But fact is, I don’t think anyone can honestly say one team is clearly head & shoulders better than the other. If you stopped ten unbiased people on the street and had them look over the stats and pick a winner, five would pick Wylie and five would pick He<st1:City w:st="on">bron</st1:City>. That’s how evenly matched I think this game is.
</O:p
So what does that mean? It means that the game will come down to that one critical stop, that one critical turnover, that one critical mistake, or that one critical first down at the end of the game. I don’t believe in the saying, “it will come down to the team that wants it more”. Trust me, both of these teams want it just as badly as the other team. I would be very surprised if one team gets up on the other by a wide margin at any point in the game. A wide margin meaning 17 points or better. With these two defenses, a 14 point deficit would be a very tough hill to climb, albeit possible. But being 17 down would be flat out lethal.
</O:p
I’m predicting, or should I say, hoping for a <st1:City w:st="on">Hebron</st1:City> victory. But is that how it will turn out? Could be, maybe, probably, I don’t know.

You have just posted the most sensible post of the year.....You have now moved up in my book. I totally agree with you, i think it will be a great game. But since you made so much sense, you might get booted out of the Hebron fan club.....;)

PirateParent2011
11-20-2008, 04:23 PM
Exactly! Good post.

That was precisely my point... although I took the other route to try to come to that conclusion. I get fed up with people when they try to bring up other games that have no direct relationship to the game being played. i.e. FM vs. PESH, FM vs. DeSoto. Not only that, but what happens if one of the star players goes down in the first quarter? How much will that affect the outcome of the game. Will there be enough compensation from the other kids on the field to overcome such a tough loss? How hard have the teams worked during the week? Will they come out tired and not be able to keep in the game?

There are a lot of things that play into the game that we do not see on an everyday basis. We'll just have to wait until Saturday afternoon to find out.

Yes sir...and I for one can not wait! :D

Wypirates03
11-20-2008, 04:23 PM
You have just posted the most sensible post of the year.....You have now moved up in my book. I totally agree with you, i think it will be a great game. But since you made so much sense, you might get booted out of the Hebron fan club.....;)

Can we throw him a Wylie fan club invite then?

LAHawk
11-20-2008, 04:28 PM
Can we throw him a Wylie fan club invite then?

Don't get carried away. I'm not giving any love to the Pirates, just calling it like I see it.:D

DragonFan0316
11-20-2008, 04:28 PM
Both teams can hurt you real quick. This quality of opponent thing is way overrated. Take it from me and the Dragon Nation. You can go 10-0 against easy opponents and still win the state title. If it makes you feel better about yourself as a fan okay but none of that schedule stuff will mean anything on Saturday. Good luck to both. Hope I am still at TS cause that will mean we won our game.

Wypirates03
11-20-2008, 04:34 PM
Don't get carried away. I'm not giving any love to the Pirates, just calling it like I see it.:D

D'oh! I was ready to bring you an AHMO shirt Saturday!

LAHawk
11-20-2008, 04:37 PM
D'oh! I was ready to bring you an AHMO shirt Saturday!

Don't think so. My good guy's Blue and Black attire will be just fine.:D

xtremeh
11-20-2008, 04:40 PM
Exactly! Good post.

That was precisely my point... although I took the other route to try to come to that conclusion. I get fed up with people when they try to bring up other games that have no direct relationship to the game being played. i.e. FM vs. PESH, FM vs. DeSoto. Not only that, but what happens if one of the star players goes down in the first quarter? How much will that affect the outcome of the game. Will there be enough compensation from the other kids on the field to overcome such a tough loss? How hard have the teams worked during the week? Will they come out tired and not be able to keep in the game?

There are a lot of things that play into the game that we do not see on an everyday basis. We'll just have to wait until Saturday afternoon to find out.


Whoaaaaaa there Wypirates03....."fed up with people when they try to bring up other games"?? YOU are the one who brought up the Hebron-Lewisville game as well as the Hebron LD Bell game. :rolleyes:

I'm done.....all I ask is that people will be "man enough:)" to eat a little crow should their respective team go down saturday....

LAHawk
11-20-2008, 04:41 PM
D'oh! I was ready to bring you an AHMO shirt Saturday!

As in A-H-M-O-S-T gonna beat the Hawks! :D

Wypirates03
11-20-2008, 04:47 PM
Whoaaaaaa there Wypirates03....."fed up with people when they try to bring up other games"?? YOU are the one who brought up the Hebron-Lewisville game as well as the Hebron LD Bell game. :rolleyes:

I'm done.....all I ask is that people will be "man enough:)" to eat a little crow should their respective team go down saturday....

No sir... you brought up Wylie vs. East... so I said "Ok, if you're going to bring up that game, I'm going to bring up Hebron vs. Lewisville."

Wypirates03
11-20-2008, 04:48 PM
Whoaaaaaa there Wypirates03....."fed up with people when they try to bring up other games"?? YOU are the one who brought up the Hebron-Lewisville game as well as the Hebron LD Bell game. :rolleyes:

I'm done.....all I ask is that people will be "man enough:)" to eat a little crow should their respective team go down saturday....

I'll be at TS all day, but when I get home... if Wylie has lost, I will be on here congratulation Hebron for a well-fought win.

PirateParent2011
11-20-2008, 04:53 PM
Both teams can hurt you real quick. This quality of opponent thing is way overrated. Take it from me and the Dragon Nation. You can go 10-0 against easy opponents and still win the state title. If it makes you feel better about yourself as a fan okay but none of that schedule stuff will mean anything on Saturday. Good luck to both. Hope I am still at TS cause that will mean we won our game.

Or lose in the 1st round. See Abilene.

PirateParent2011
11-20-2008, 04:55 PM
Whoaaaaaa there Wypirates03....."fed up with people when they try to bring up other games"?? YOU are the one who brought up the Hebron-Lewisville game as well as the Hebron LD Bell game. :rolleyes:

I'm done.....all I ask is that people will be "man enough:)" to eat a little crow should their respective team go down saturday....

I will...will you?

PirateParent2011
11-20-2008, 04:57 PM
i'll be at ts all day, but when i get home... If wylie has lost, i will be on here congratulation hebron for a well-fought win.

+1

xtremeh
11-20-2008, 04:59 PM
I will...will you?

Sure I will PirateParent.

As a side note here.....LD Bell played Trinity tight. Final Score 30-20. Just some food for thought....

Wypirates03
11-20-2008, 05:01 PM
Sure I will PirateParent.

As a side note here.....LD Bell played Trinity tight. Final Score 30-20. Just some food for thought....

LD Bell and Trinity is a rivalry game... those are often played tougher than regular non-rivalry games... more food for thought. :D

PirateParent2011
11-20-2008, 05:07 PM
Sure I will PirateParent.

As a side note here.....LD Bell played Trinity tight. Final Score 30-20. Just some food for thought....

As a side note here...

Wylie played Plano tight...38-31
Wylie played Allen tight...31-28
Wylie beat Hebron...21-14

Just some food for thought...:D

Hawkfan60
11-20-2008, 06:07 PM
As a side note here...

Wylie played Plano tight...38-31
Wylie played Allen tight...31-28
Wylie beat Hebron...21-14

Just some food for thought...:D

Objectively, I think this should make Hebron the underdog (although aside from special teams Hebron also played Plano tight). But I'm fine with the underdog role. :)

PirateFan
11-20-2008, 06:46 PM
This is so funny, the closer to gametime the more we all sling a little mud, eat crows and bash. I for one cant wait til sat. kick off. I wish the hawks well but AHMO kick Hawk tail feathers:D:D:D

CrossTheLine
11-20-2008, 09:33 PM
If Bowie gets past Midland...

I'm scared of both Wylie and Hebron personally...

Yikes...:eek:

SWMHebron
11-20-2008, 09:36 PM
If Bowie gets past Midland...

I'm scared of both Wylie and Hebron personally...

Yikes...:eek:

As well you should be.:p

I don't know anything about either Bowie or Midland and anticipate a lot of research next week after the Hawks beat the Pirates.:cool:

Hawkfan60
11-20-2008, 09:44 PM
As well you should be.:p

I don't know anything about either Bowie or Midland and anticipate a lot of research next week after the Hawks beat the Pirates.:cool:

I recall Bowie was really good last year. I think they made it to the Regional Final in Division I and lost to Trinity.

HebronHawk
11-20-2008, 09:47 PM
Ok, ... if you're going to bring up Plano East... what the hell happened in the Hebron vs. Lewisville game???... and you guys almost lost to LD BELL!... Should have lost to LD Bell

If the game was shorter by 1:50, we would have lost to LD Bell. You have to play the entire 4 quarters to win, though. :p

HebronHawk
11-20-2008, 09:51 PM
Exactly! Good post.

That was precisely my point... although I took the other route to try to come to that conclusion. I get fed up with people when they try to bring up other games that have no direct relationship to the game being played. i.e. FM vs. PESH, FM vs. DeSoto. Not only that, but what happens if one of the star players goes down in the first quarter? How much will that affect the outcome of the game. Will there be enough compensation from the other kids on the field to overcome such a tough loss? How hard have the teams worked during the week? Will they come out tired and not be able to keep in the game?

There are a lot of things that play into the game that we do not see on an everyday basis. We'll just have to wait until Saturday afternoon to find out.


Let's hope that both teams show up with all their key players so we have a good matchup.

I'm picking Hebron 24 Wylie 21.

SWMHebron
11-20-2008, 09:52 PM
Ok, ... if you're going to bring up Plano East... what the hell happened in the Hebron vs. Lewisville game???... and you guys almost lost to LD BELL!... Should have lost to LD Bell

But we didn't. The record books won't show "should have" or "almost". They will show

Hebron 21 - LD Bell 17.

HebronHawk
11-20-2008, 09:52 PM
You have just posted the most sensible post of the year.....You have now moved up in my book. I totally agree with you, i think it will be a great game. But since you made so much sense, you might get booted out of the Hebron fan club.....;)

LA Hawk is a full, paid-up Hawk. :D

HebronHawk
11-20-2008, 09:56 PM
I have to say after many years of playing the Pirates that they always show up on the boards after the game. I don't have any concerns about that. :notworthy

By the way, PWF has picked Wylie to win. I would be concerned, Pirates. :D

Wypirates03
11-21-2008, 12:32 AM
But we didn't. The record books won't show "should have" or "almost". They will show

Hebron 21 - LD Bell 17.

Again... the hebron posters have proved my point!:notworthy

PawPower
11-21-2008, 12:43 AM
I actually think it will be a close game, but boy is Wylie's quarterback ever impressive. He's a lot of fun to watch. I will be pulling for Wylie given they are our neighbors.

statguy
11-21-2008, 07:37 AM
In the what turns out to be the game of the day at Texas Stadium, Blake Denton kicks a 32 yd field goal for Hebron and they win a thiller 24-21. Just one man's opinion. two very good teams playing in a great enviroment. WOW this is going to be fun...

HSFootball#1
11-21-2008, 08:04 AM
In the what turns out to be the game of the day at Texas Stadium, Blake Denton kicks a 32 yd field goal for Hebron and they win a thiller 24-21. Just one man's opinion. two very good teams playing in a great enviroment. WOW this is going to be fun...

Might happen, to make it 35-10. :D

LAHawk
11-21-2008, 09:21 AM
LA Hawk is a full, paid-up Hawk. :D

And that ain't changin' either. Paid-up is correct, I think I've put my life savings into the school one way or another these past four years. But, let me tell you, it has been worth every cent. HFFL :D

SWMHebron
11-21-2008, 09:35 AM
And that ain't changin' either. Paid-up is correct, I think I've put my life savings into the school one way or another these past four years. But, let me tell you, it has been worth every cent. HFFL :D

Ha. Just wait till you start having to pay some university or the other. But you know I understand about the life savings thing.;)

chickenheart1
11-21-2008, 09:54 AM
I actually think it will be a close game, but boy is Wylie's quarterback ever impressive. He's a lot of fun to watch. I will be pulling for Wylie given they are our neighbors.

I will be at the game as well. I would love to see Wylie win the D2 title. Kind of been a closet fan except when they played Plano. Good luck 'cause Hebron is not the same team you played early on. On the other hand, Wylie looked strong last week and seems to be peaking at the right time. I judge that by the way you played Allen.