5A Bracket under two team format (Old School)

[KT2000]

Here is how the bracket would look under the old two team format. There are some good teams from strong districts who would miss out, but you can't tell me this bracket wouldn't produce a worthy champion. And it would do so in a much less watered down format than what we have now. I used point differentials to settle tie breakers.

Long live the old school.

Region 1

EP Montwood vs. Odessa
Abilene vs. Arlington Martin
Euless Trinity vs. Southlake Carroll
Cedar Hill vs. Plano

EP Coronado vs. Odessa Permian
NRH Richland vs. Arlington Bowie
Colleyville Heritage vs. Lewisville Hebron
Duncanville vs. Allen

Region 2

Lake Highlands vs. Garland
DeSoto vs. A&M Consolidated
Klein Oak vs. The Woodlands
Cy Creek vs. Round Rock

Dallas Skyline vs. Rowlett
Tyler Lee vs. Copperas Cove
Klein Forest vs. Lufkin
Cy Ridge vs. RR Stony Point

Region 3

Cinco Ranch vs. Houston Memorial
Aldine Eisenhower vs. Houston Madison
North Shore vs. Deer Park
FB Hightower vs. Clear Lake

Katy vs. Strake Jesuit
Humble vs. Houston Lamar
Beaumont West Brook vs. Pearland
FB Travis vs. Clear Brook

Region 4

Austin Westlake vs. Smithson Valley
Converse Judson vs. SA Clark
SA Southwest vs. McAllen
PSJA North vs. Brownsville Pace

Pflugerville vs. SA Reagan
SA Wagner vs. SA Warren
Laredo United vs. McAllen Memorial
Harlingen vs. Los Fresnos

Wow.

[Jayhawker]

..there would have been some GREAT first round games.

[twcpfan1]

You'll get the same quality matchups in another week. Be patient :D

[twcpfan1]

..there would have been some GREAT first round games.

Yeah, but there are still some sorry teams in there. And some pretty good teams who miss out. So it can be argued both ways.

[KT2000]

You'll get the same quality matchups in another week. Be patient :D

We'll only get a few of them. This four team business is ridiculous.

[twcpfan1]

We'll only get a few of them. This four team business is ridiculous.

The districts are being split geographically. Which means very weak teams from Houston and The Valley make the cut and good teams from DFW miss out altogether. Equally ridiculous IMO. Didn't SLC have 2 district losses this year? They could have easily missed out which would have been wrong given the strength of their district.

It's like the Olympics. Swimmers from Country X won't even win a District HS race with those times and they can call themselves Olympic swimmers.

[Panther #73]

OMG! I wanna see so many of those games! Trinity and SLC 1st round! :notworthy

Id know who wins though:) SLC by 28 DUH!!!!! hahahaha :D

[KT2000]

The districts are being split geographically. Which means very weak teams from Houston and The Valley make the cut and good teams from DFW miss out altogether. Equally ridiculous IMO. Didn't SLC have 2 district losses this year? They could have easily missed out which would have been wrong given the strength of their district.

It's like the Olympics. Swimmers from Country X won't even win a District HS race with those times and they can call themselves Olympic swimmers.

It is never going to be completely fair. The NCAA tournament has teams from low end conferences that'd be lucky to win a game in a major conference, but they are represented in order to balance geographic representation. I don't have a problem with that.

And I don't think the 3rd and 4th place teams could have many complaints about missing out if they can't prove to be one of the best two in their own district. Yes, there are districts who have quality outside the top two but you are never going to have a perfect system.

A one bracket format would be a far more effective means of generating a champion than the bloated monstrosity that is two 64-team brackets. It makes no sense whatsoever.

[RedRage00]

We'll only get a few of them. This four team business is ridiculous.

Man, I wish it was still 2 teams.

[CedarHillDad]

the top of region I is STACKED!!! Boom right out of the gate!

[tjw]

We'll only get a few of them. This four team business is ridiculous.

Just a money maker for UIL. :D

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

Region 1
Euless Trinity vs Southlake Carroll

That would be a wish come true! I like your bracket better KT2000.

[KT2000]

Just a money maker for ISDs. :D

FIFY

District ADs are the ones who vote in things like four teams to the playoffs. The coaches also give their OK.

I don't have a problem with districts wanting to generate some extra revenue, but I do have a problem with a system that makes little sense from a competitive point of view. We should not have two 64-team playoff brackets with separate champions.

[DrEdward]

FIFY

District ADs are the ones who vote in things like four teams to the playoffs. The coaches also give their OK.

I don't have a problem with districts wanting to generate some extra revenue, but I do have a problem with a system that makes little sense from a competitive point of view. We should not have two 64-team playoff brackets with separate champions.

Not to mention 33 or so teams with losing records in the playoffs.

[sportsjunkie40]

Sounds like you guys want to raise the basketball goal to 11 feet now because too many people can dunk......there are arguements for both sides but more kids get to enjoy it, and i get to see more football games...it all equals itself out in the end.

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

FIFY

District ADs are the ones who vote in things like four teams to the playoffs. The coaches also give their OK.

I don't have a problem with districts wanting to generate some extra revenue, but I do have a problem with a system that makes little sense from a competitive point of view. We should not have two 64-team playoff brackets with separate champions.
EXAMPLE: Keller 7-3 sitting at home while teams like North Crowley 4-6, Burleson 4-6, and Langham Creek 3-6 are in the playoffs.

One Division - two teams from each district advance to playoffs.

Now that's competitive football.

[twcpfan1]

FIFY

District ADs are the ones who vote in things like four teams to the playoffs. The coaches also give their OK.

I don't have a problem with districts wanting to generate some extra revenue, but I do have a problem with a system that makes little sense from a competitive point of view. We should not have two 64-team playoff brackets with separate champions.

If you look at both brackets this year, it can be argued that D2 is the lower classification bracket anyway. Maybe it's time for a 6a classification.

[sportsjunkie40]

EXAMPLE: Keller 7-3 sitting at home while teams like North Crowley 4-6, Burleson 4-6, and Langham Creek 3-6 are in the playoffs.

One Division - two teams from each district advance to playoffs.

Now that's competitive football.

Now i agree with that........that is a bad deal, in our district we had plano 9-1, Allen 9-1 and Wylie 8-2.......maybe they should put a min. wins requirement? sorta like being bowl eli.?

[KT2000]

If you look at both brackets this year, it can be argued that D2 is the lower classification bracket anyway. Maybe it's time for a 6a classification.

The UIL can't align 6A on the district level. The geography prevents it. Often times, there is little to no difference in enrollment between the Division 1 and Division 2 champion. In fact, the Division 2 champion has actually been larger on a few occasions. The big school/small school concept has never functioned as originally intended.

[Dynastybegan86]

Sounds like you guys want to raise the basketball goal to 11 feet now because too many people can dunk......there are arguements for both sides but more kids get to enjoy it, and i get to see more football games...it all equals itself out in the end.

That is the only benefit, plus the "extra" games are not really fun to watch, nor is there really good football. The basketball goal analogy you used is off-point. If you change the basketball goal to 11ft, everyone plays on the same goal...different concept than the two bracket system. This system was instituted for 2 reasons, imo, for MONEY and parity. In the BB goal deal, what the concept would be....I get the 9footer and u have to play on the 11footer to make it fair, or something like that.

[BackNBlack97]

Sounds like you guys want to raise the basketball goal to 11 feet now because too many people can dunk......there are arguements for both sides but more kids get to enjoy it, and i get to see more football games...it all equals itself out in the end.

More like raise the basketball goal back to 10 feet, since it was lowered to 8 feet then 6 feet over the past 20 years... By that thought, why don't we just let all the teams play in the playoffs and name them all state champions for that good old college try...

[sportsjunkie40]

More like raise the basketball goal back to 10 feet, since it was lowered to 8 feet then 6 feet over the past 20 years... By that thought, why don't we just let all the teams play in the playoffs and name them all state champions for that good old college try...


Thats really what i said big fella

[LoboFan07]

Ahhhhh.

The power of money.

[sportsjunkie40]

The UIL is kinda like the NCAA.....silly on some things, correct on others....i guess just like all of us?

[twcpfan1]

The UIL can't align 6A on the district level. The geography prevents it. Often times, there is little to no difference in enrollment between the Division 1 and Division 2 champion. In fact, the Division 2 champion has actually been larger on a few occasions. The big school/small school concept has never functioned as originally intended.

Well needless to say they would realign the districts again and have another enrolment cutoff similar to what they now have in 4a and the other lower classifications. I like the 4 team system the way it is but this is just another alternative so the schools still make the extra revenue while not having to put up with a diluted tournament or 2 state champions in the same classification.

[chunky79]

next thing you know, all teams will make the playoffs

[CedarHillDad]

next thing you know, all teams will make the playoffs

then we would have 4 Divisions, 4 Champions, and horrible 1st round games:mad:

[BackNBlack97]

Well needless to say they would realign the districts again and have another enrolment cutoff similar to what they now have in 4a and the other lower classifications. I like the 4 team system the way it is but this is just another alternative so the schools still make the extra revenue while not having to put up with a diluted tournament or 2 state champions in the same classification.

the problem is not that they would have to realign, it's that the big schools are so spread out... You would probably end up with the only 3 teams west of Dallas, being Odessa and Permian and San Angelo Central, meaning that they would end up with district games, either against San Antonio area or Dallas area opponents 5 hrs away...

[twcpfan1]

the problem is not that they would have to realign, it's that the big schools are so spread out... You would probably end up with the only 3 teams west of Dallas, being Odessa and Permian and San Angelo Central, meaning that they would end up with district games, either against San Antonio area or Dallas area opponents 5 hrs away...

What if they did it like this. Not have an enrolment number cutoff. Instead, split them up before the start of the year instead of before the playoffs.

[chunky79]

then we would have 4 Divisions, 4 Champions, and horrible 1st round games:mad:
so lets just go back to the 2 team system

[CedarHillDad]

so lets just go back to the 2 team system

sounds good to me

[BackNBlack97]

Thats really what i said big fella

That's where the "lets get more football so let more people in" eventually leads to... 2 teams would be best...

[DragonBand06]

Region 1
Euless Trinity vs Southlake Carroll

That would be a wish come true! I like your bracket better KT2000.Unfortunately not this year. I'd take Trinity by 14. ;)
We can only wish this year holds a SLC/Trinity-Type game!

[cougmantx]

If you look at both brackets this year, it can be argued that D2 is the lower classification bracket anyway. Maybe it's time for a 6a classification.

I don't agree. D2 may appear to be weaker this year but it is not the case most years. I would have put big money on a Katy vs. Trinity game last year and feel fairly certain that Katy would have walked away with that game after watching Trinity play Judson. NO offenese intended to Trinity which had a great team but Katy was way to balanced all across the board last year. Trinity and Judson just kept pounding each other, running the same plays.

There was a possiblity that Katy would have gone D1 if Katy-Taylor hadn't won...and then we would have been looking at possibly playing Woodlands, North Shore or Cinco Ranch in the playoffs, again, which some of the Katy faithful wanted to do.

I just don't think you can base the strength of a program on a year in and year out bases by which division the teams are playing in. This year D1 does look tougher.

[MemorialMustangs]

Memorial vs. Cinco would be one heck of a game... Talentwise I think both teams are similar - the difference is Cincos offense is a little better and our defense is a little better...

[bigdaddydog]

FIFY

District ADs are the ones who vote in things like four teams to the playoffs. The coaches also give their OK.

I don't have a problem with districts wanting to generate some extra revenue, but I do have a problem with a system that makes little sense from a competitive point of view. We should not have two 64-team playoff brackets with separate champions.

I'll buy that argument. I think if Allen makes another early exit from the playoffs, the District 8 Chair, Allen ISD AD Steve Williams should be primed for going back to the two teams from each district. :D

I am really looking forward to a time when winning district championships meant something. Well, something other than your team has Pwned Plano ISD for three years in a row. :D


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[THSBandDad]

next thing you know, all teams will make the playoffs

When four teams advance from a six team district, that's about what you've got. :mad:

[THSBandDad]

Exactly how many 5A teams are there in the state? How many new or growing schools are likely to add to that total next year?

Instead of making an enrollment number decide the 4A/5A split, say that the top xx number of teams are 5A. Divide that number by 32 and align the districts accordingly. If that means 7 teams per district, then so be it. If one year it causes there to be too many 4A teams, then increase the number of 5A teams by 32, one per district. Two teams in playoffs per district. Everybody uses head-to-head, followed by point differential (14 max) to break playoff ties.

Or, you can just call me stupid with a crappy idea. :D

[KT2000]

Exactly how many 5A teams are there in the state? How many new or growing schools are likely to add to that total next year?

Instead of making an enrollment number decide the 4A/5A split, say that the top xx number of teams are 5A. Divide that number by 32 and align the districts accordingly. If that means 7 teams per district, then so be it. If one year it causes there to be too many 4A teams, then increase the number of 5A teams by 32, one per district. Two teams in playoffs per district. Everybody uses head-to-head, followed by point differential (14 max) to break playoff ties.

Or, you can just call me stupid with a crappy idea. :D

You would still run into deal breaking geography issues in west and south Texas primarily. And as you mentioned, there is also the trickle down effect (don't we all love that phrase) to consider with the other classifications.

[cyfallsbooster2]

If we all fell that fewer is better, why not go REAL old school and just the district champ makes the playoffs?

[SWMHebron]

Not to mention 33 or so teams with losing records in the playoffs.

At least with the NCAA a team has to have 6 wins to qualify for a bowl. I think a record over .500 should be required to get in the playoffs, no matter where you finish in district standings. Some teams would get byes, but they would have earned it.

[HSFootball#1]

So what do we have to do to go back to this? These 4-6, 5-5, or even 6-4 teams do not belong in the playoffs.

[eingedikid]

I like the Clark vs Judson matchup. The Rockets and those venerable pumas from DeZavala have an exciting history with each other. Judson has come out on top in all of the playoff matchups, but they've always been exciting games. It would definitely be Old Skool dating back to the 80's and very early 90's. They do have a chance to meet this year if both survive to the Round 4 Regional Finals. It would be "Coogs in Space: The Millenial Edition 2.0" (they last met in the 2nd round in 2002 in a game that Judson won in OT).

[cyfallsbooster2]

So what do we have to do to go back to this? These 4-6, 5-5, or even 6-4 teams do not belong in the playoffs.

There was a 6-4 team in the State Final back in '06.:eek: Don't knock those teams too hard.;)

[HSFootball#1]

There was a 6-4 team in the State Final back in '06.:eek: Don't knock those teams too hard.;)

No wonder Ceadr Hill spanked you 51-17

[cyfallsbooster2]

No wonder Ceadr Hill spanked you 51-17

So you agree your opinion is worthless. I mean since that is the best retort you can come with. Such intelligence.

And what was Judson's regular season record last year? I think it was 6-4 also. They were in the final. My point being, if the debate is about how many teams should go to the playoffs, then record has nothing to do with it. Because too many things can happen to influence the record of a very good team. Base your arguement on how many should go. I say just 1 from each district. Even if that were done, you would still have 6-4, 5-5 teams.

[HSFootball#1]

So you agree your opinion is worthless. I mean since that is the best retort you can come with. Such intelligence.

And what was Judson's regular season record last year? I think it was 6-4 also. They were in the final. My point being, if the debate is about how many teams should go to the playoffs, then record has nothing to do with it. Because too many things can happen to influence the record of a very good team. Base your arguement on how many should go. I say just 1 from each district. Even if that were done, you would still have 6-4, 5-5 teams.

Only down south and still get spanked in the championship. ;)

[PirateParent2011]

Sounds like you guys want to raise the basketball goal to 11 feet now because too many people can dunk......there are arguements for both sides but more kids get to enjoy it, and i get to see more football games...it all equals itself out in the end.

Agreed. While not ideal more kids get to play and IMO that trumps the reasons to go back to "Old School". And in the end the best team is going to win anyway, right?

[KT2000]

Agreed. While not ideal more kids get to play and IMO that trumps the reasons to go back to "Old School". And in the end the best team is going to win anyway, right?

That's debatable unfortunately because the best teams don't all play in the same bracket.

[twcpfan1]

That's debatable unfortunately because the best teams don't all play in the same bracket.

One way to settle it once and for all is to have the extra week to decide who wins it all, and just do away with the 2 Divisions. In that way rd 1 will have a true seeding system. 1 v 4 / 2 v 3. Nobody has really come out and say why this could not happen. Revenues would increase some with the one extra game.

[PirateParent2011]

That's debatable unfortunately because the best teams don't all play in the same bracket.

Good point about the best teams not necessarily playing each other. But I still like that more kids get to play in the PO.

[KT2000]

One way to settle it once and for all is to have the extra week to decide who wins it all, and just do away with the 2 Divisions. In that way rd 1 will have a true seeding system. 1 v 4 / 2 v 3. Nobody has really come out and say why this could not happen. Revenues would increase some with the one extra game.

Coaches won't go for eliminating the bye week in order to play another week. Most of the feedback I have seen on this also suggests they think the season is long enough as it is, so the extra game isn't popular. This has been presented in the UIL meetings before (in addition to our Super Bracket proposal).

You lose the coaches when you start talking about eliminating the bye week and starting everyone in Week Zero.

[MemorialMustangs]

Coaches won't go for eliminating the bye week in order to play another week. Most of the feedback I have seen on this also suggests they think the season is long enough as it is, so the extra game isn't popular. This has been presented in the UIL meetings before (in addition to our Super Bracket proposal).

You lose the coaches when you start talking about eliminating the bye week and starting everyone in Week Zero.

Ya the other issue is the closest a game can be without eliminating the bye week is December 25th... I see a lot of conflicts with the game being after December 25th (or even near December 25th)... So in order to get it to work out the game would have to be in like January - IMO - but then practice would be an issue... And I think at that point it definately wouldnt be worth it...

[KT2000]

Good point about the best teams not necessarily playing each other. But I still like that more kids get to play in the PO.

I guess I am just a competitive purist. Name another sport with playoffs that ends with two brackets and two champions. I can't think of one. It makes no sense from a competitive point of view, but I realize that's not as high on the agenda as it might have been in the past. High school football is big business for the ISDs now.

[MemorialMustangs]

I guess I am just a competitive purist. Name another sport with playoffs that ends with two brackets and two champions. I can't think of one. It makes no sense from a competitive point of view, but I realize that's not as high on the agenda as it might have been in the past. High school football is big business for the ISDs now.

Course if they did it that way I wouldnt have been sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for the Katy Taylor - Seven Lakes score to come through ;)

[twcpfan1]

Coaches won't go for eliminating the bye week in order to play another week. Most of the feedback I have seen on this also suggests they think the season is long enough as it is, so the extra game isn't popular. This has been presented in the UIL meetings before (in addition to our Super Bracket proposal).

You lose the coaches when you start talking about eliminating the bye week and starting everyone in Week Zero.

Well we did touch on how demanding it is to run a 5a program from a coaching standpoint on another thread. I guess I can understand the need for the one week during the season to reset.

[KT2000]

Well we did touch on how demanding it is to run a 5a program from a coaching standpoint on another thread. I guess I can understand the need for the one week during the season to reset.

It also offers more scheduling flexibility as far as how a regular season might be arranged.

[KT2000]

Course if they did it that way I wouldnt have been sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for the Katy Taylor - Seven Lakes score to come through ;)

It's not all bad and I understand the draw of getting more teams involved, but the system is inherently flawed. This is most evident in Region 3 this season. Eight or nine of the top 10 teams in the region are in Division 1.

We started taking three teams with the idea that big 5A schools would be separated from small 5A schools, and the playing field would be leveled as a result. That never functioned as intended and even less so as more new schools were built and promoted earlier this decade.

Two years ago they said it wasn't fair that Division 2 teams had to play an extra round, so they added another round in Div 1 to balance the brackets and give more teams a chance. The brackets may be equal in terms of teams, but they've become watered down in terms of quality. Of course, that is all in addition to the obvious fact that two championship brackets just makes no logical sense.

[THSBandDad]

If we all fell that fewer is better, why not go REAL old school and just the district champ makes the playoffs?

The two team system isn't perfect, but it's better than four (IMHO). One team gets you back into the situation where Team A lost to Team B in a close game during a week where outside forces (grades, injuries, etc.) may have been the deciding factor. A 6-1 team (8 team district play) doesn't make it in.

As an example, let's go totally "fictional". Allen beats Plano in a week where Plano has 8 starters missing for various reasons (they all came down with pneumonia, for example). If you're only sending one team, Plano is out and may even be the best team in the state (remember, "fictional" people, "fictional").

This is less likely to be a determining factor with two teams going. Now, balance that against using four teams where 3-7 or 4-6 teams are making the playoffs. There is likely no way that one of those teams is good enough to win state. Two teams making the playoffs seems to be a good balance point, again IMHO.

I went to school during the win the district or you're out era. It sucked, sorry, "was less than optimal".

And having two state champions is rediculous. If you're going to keep so many teams in the playoffs, go ahead and play one more game after Christmas. It's only affecting two schools in the whole state. It's not like they're missing more class or anything. Heck, just cut the season down to 9 weeks instead of 10. Everyone has a bye week anyway, just eliminate that and finish the district play a week sooner so you can have that extra playoff game before Christmas.

[TrojanHorse03]

I don't agree. D2 may appear to be weaker this year but it is not the case most years. I would have put big money on a Katy vs. Trinity game last year and feel fairly certain that Katy would have walked away with that game after watching Trinity play Judson. NO offenese intended to Trinity which had a great team but Katy was way to balanced all across the board last year. Trinity and Judson just kept pounding each other, running the same plays.

There was a possiblity that Katy would have gone D1 if Katy-Taylor hadn't won...and then we would have been looking at possibly playing Woodlands, North Shore or Cinco Ranch in the playoffs, again, which some of the Katy faithful wanted to do.

I just don't think you can base the strength of a program on a year in and year out bases by which division the teams are playing in. This year D1 does look tougher.

I was just thinking about this yesterday, when I saw the thread about Katy still once again being the overwhelming favorite to make the state semis through their region at 7 and 3 and it reminds me why I'd be all for the 1 bracket system. I couldn't imagine how many teams just in Region 1 would look great in Katy's region and would wanna trade. Seriously think of the teams who would wanna play the strake jesuits and pasadena memorials instead of Permian, Allen, Plano, Southlake, Trinity, Arlington Bowie, and more before the semis it just doesnt compare, no way in hell is that apples to apples. Ironically we're a 7 ponds choke away from Katy being anything but a lock in a bracket with Pearland, Hightower, and North Shore, I guess some just have it made :rolleyes: .

[twcpfan1]

I think I mentioned this before. Instead of rd 1 of the playoffs, use that week to have a district playoff to decide which 2 schools go the the 64 team bracket for the state playoffs which starts the following week.

[THSBandDad]

Ya the other issue is the closest a game can be without eliminating the bye week is December 25th... I see a lot of conflicts with the game being after December 25th (or even near December 25th)... So in order to get it to work out the game would have to be in like January - IMO - but then practice would be an issue... And I think at that point it definately wouldnt be worth it...

Weren't the championship games on Dec 22 last year?

[THSBandDad]

I think I mentioned this before. Instead of rd 1 of the playoffs, use that week to have a district playoff to decide which 2 schools go the the 64 team bracket for the state playoffs which starts the following week.

Ok, in 5-5A, week one of the playoffs is Trinity vs. Justin Northwest and Bell against Colleyville Heritage. The two winners move into round two against the winners of Hebron vs. Marcus and SLC vs. Coppell (I think I got those right).

As much as Bell and SLC would love the chance to redeem themselves for regular season losses to the same opponents, you'll eventually end up with the argument, "But we beat those guys in the regular season by xx points and they only beat us by 1 in the playoffs." (insert more whining and gnashing of teeth here)

But, given that four teams is with us and we aren't going to get that part changed, I think I'd like to see a DCS, "district championship series", to cull down the eventual playoffs for bi-district. Move only two teams into bi-district play.

[The Original]

Now thats playoffs. Where nearly every team has potentional to beat the other at any given day. Each game being a dog fight to the very last quarter.

But now even the worst of Texas teams can get to the playoffs...just so the kids could feel "accomplished" at the end of the year. Its all bull.

[d-train]

Here is how the bracket would look under the old two team format. There are some good teams from strong districts who would miss out, but you can't tell me this bracket wouldn't produce a worthy champion. And it would do so in a much less watered down format than what we have now. I used point differentials to settle tie breakers.

Long live the old school.

Region 1

EP Montwood vs. Odessa
Abilene vs. Arlington Martin
Euless Trinity vs. Southlake Carroll
Cedar Hill vs. Plano

EP Coronado vs. Odessa Permian
NRH Richland vs. Arlington Bowie
Colleyville Heritage vs. Lewisville Hebron
Duncanville vs. Allen

Region 2

Lake Highlands vs. Garland
DeSoto vs. A&M Consolidated
Klein Oak vs. The Woodlands
Cy Creek vs. Round Rock

Dallas Skyline vs. Rowlett
Tyler Lee vs. Copperas Cove
Klein Forest vs. Lufkin
Cy Ridge vs. RR Stony Point

Region 3

Cinco Ranch vs. Houston Memorial
Aldine Eisenhower vs. Houston Madison
North Shore vs. Deer Park
FB Hightower vs. Clear Lake

Katy vs. Strake Jesuit
Humble vs. Houston Lamar
Beaumont West Brook vs. Pearland
FB Travis vs. Clear Brook

Region 4

Austin Westlake vs. Smithson Valley
Converse Judson vs. SA Clark
SA Southwest vs. McAllen
PSJA North vs. Brownsville Pace

Pflugerville vs. SA Reagan
SA Wagner vs. SA Warren
Laredo United vs. McAllen Memorial
Harlingen vs. Los Fresnos

Wow.
1 state champion!

[MemorialMustangs]

Weren't the championship games on Dec 22 last year?

Im saying if they were to have 1 overall champion (meaning 1 more game would have to be played) - and with the current championship gameS being on the 20th of December... And the UIL requirement that there needs to be 5 days between games - that would put the next possible day of games on December 25th

[MemorialMustangs]

I think I mentioned this before. Instead of rd 1 of the playoffs, use that week to have a district playoff to decide which 2 schools go the the 64 team bracket for the state playoffs which starts the following week.

That would still add a week making the season one week longer still (unless - once again - u dont think the bye week should be in there)...

[MemorialMustangs]

Now thats playoffs. Where nearly every team has potentional to beat the other at any given day. Each game being a dog fight to the very last quarter.

But now even the worst of Texas teams can get to the playoffs...just so the kids could feel "accomplished" at the end of the year. Its all bull.

I disagree - Judson and Pfluggerville are evidence that teams that dont finish in the top 2 in district can still compete for state titles... And I know that they are more the exception than the rule... But Judson was a 4th place team in district and almost beat Trinity in the State Championship

[cyfallsbooster2]

That's debatable unfortunately because the best teams don't all play in the same bracket.

but the best teams move on each week. So we get down to the best 2. No big deal. I still stand by the belief that only 1 team, the district champ, should make the playoffs. no one seems to want to debate that. Everyone wants to say 2 rather than 4. I say 1 rather than 2. What is wrong with that?

[twcpfan1]

That would still add a week making the season one week longer still (unless - once again - u dont think the bye week should be in there)...

Alrighty then. Let's sacrifice scrimmage week and make it Week 0 and sell tickets for it. You get to keep the bye week plus another extra week of revenue without having to work overtime.

[cyfallsbooster2]

Ok, in 5-5A, week one of the playoffs is Trinity vs. Justin Northwest and Bell against Colleyville Heritage. The two winners move into round two against the winners of Hebron vs. Marcus and SLC vs. Coppell (I think I got those right).

As much as Bell and SLC would love the chance to redeem themselves for regular season losses to the same opponents, you'll eventually end up with the argument, "But we beat those guys in the regular season by xx points and they only beat us by 1 in the playoffs." (insert more whining and gnashing of teeth here)

But, given that four teams is with us and we aren't going to get that part changed, I think I'd like to see a DCS, "district championship series", to cull down the eventual playoffs for bi-district. Move only two teams into bi-district play.

Nope. Move only 1 to the playoffs. The district champ. If you want 2 teams to move on, you are no more of a man than the UIL with their 4 teams.

[MemorialMustangs]

Alrighty then. Let's sacrifice scrimmage week and make it Week 0 and sell tickets for it. You get to keep the bye week plus another extra week of revenue.

Well - I agree with that - but I have a feeling that coachs will not support that - I know that we always make our bye week, week 0 so we can play the 2nd scrimmage...

[MemorialMustangs]

Nope. Move only 1 to the playoffs. The district champ. If you want 2 teams to move on, you are no more of a man than the UIL with their 4 teams.

I disagree with that - because many times u get one district loaded and only 1 makes it? For example Deer Park would miss the playoffs - but they are one heck of a team... 2 teams at least has some logic to it...

[BandidoNB]

I dont like the idea of having a 9 game season just so that the D1 and D2 state champs can play each other; why should 243 schools lose one game just for the benefit of two schools? Or at least thats how I see it. I am a big HS football fan and I dont want to see my schools season cut short anymore than it already is :D

[twcpfan1]

Well - I agree with that - but I have a feeling that coachs will not support that - I know that we always make our bye week, week 0 so we can play the 2nd scrimmage...

Even more so if you consider most if not all coaches will not want to deal with the psychological requirements of having to beat a team twice in one year. Great from the fans' standpoint. Not so much from the coaches'.

[KT2000]

Nope. Move only 1 to the playoffs. The district champ. If you want 2 teams to move on, you are no more of a man than the UIL with their 4 teams.

I think two is ideal because that's the most you can take and still have all teams in one bracket. That is unless someone finds a way to add a week to the season for the three team or four team set up.

[cyfallsbooster2]

I disagree with that - because many times u get one district loaded and only 1 makes it? For example Deer Park would miss the playoffs - but they are one heck of a team... 2 teams at least has some logic to it...

I agree with that point of view. Yes, a district can be stacked. They may have the best 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 or 8 teams in the state. Where do you cut it off? Why not let ALL teams make the playoffs for that reason? It just depends on how PURE one wants to make the playoffs. It used to be only 1 team made it, the District Champ. Then they used your opinion to expand it to 2 teams. Then they used that same opinion to expand it to 3 teams. Then they used it again to expand it to 4 teams. But, because of the number of games they had to break it up into 2 divisions. So it all breaks back down into how pure you want it. YOU want it more pure than 4 teams but not as pure as 1 team. So you want something less than "pure". So this whole debate is total BS until you decide how "pure" you want the playoffs.

[C-DUB]

I agree with that point of view. Yes, a district can be stacked. They may have the best 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 or 8 teams in the state. Where do you cut it off? Why not let ALL teams make the playoffs for that reason? It just depends on how PURE one wants to make the playoffs. It used to be only 1 team made it, the District Champ. Then they used your opinion to expand it to 2 teams. Then they used that same opinion to expand it to 3 teams. Then they used it again to expand it to 4 teams. But, because of the number of games they had to break it up into 2 divisions. So it all breaks back down into how pure you want it. YOU want it more pure than 4 teams but not as pure as 1 team. So you want something less than "pure". So this whole debate is total BS until you decide how "pure" you want the playoffs.

Everything is debateable. That why were here.:D

[KT2000]

I agree with that point of view. Yes, a district can be stacked. They may have the best 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 or 8 teams in the state. Where do you cut it off? Why not let ALL teams make the playoffs for that reason? It just depends on how PURE one wants to make the playoffs. It used to be only 1 team made it, the District Champ. Then they used your opinion to expand it to 2 teams. Then they used that same opinion to expand it to 3 teams. Then they used it again to expand it to 4 teams. But, because of the number of games they had to break it up into 2 divisions. So it all breaks back down into how pure you want it. YOU want it more pure than 4 teams but not as pure as 1 team. So you want something less than "pure". So this whole debate is total BS until you decide how "pure" you want the playoffs.

My definition of pure is having one bracket and one champion. Ideally, I would like to see two teams per district.

[cyfallsbooster2]

I think two is ideal because that's the most you can take and still have all teams in one bracket. That is unless someone finds a way to add a week to the season for the three team or four team set up.

So you vote for less "pure" than 1 team. That just does not make sense. Either you are "pure" or you are not. If you are not "pure", then you are some degree of not pure. So who is to say 4 times less than pure is better than 2 times less than pure? Either one has to say 1 playoff team is best or they have to say that some OTHER scenario is better. Then we get into which less than perfect scenario is best. The debate between 2 or 4 is so lame. It is merely a debate between how pure one wants to be.

[Trojan4653]

We'll only get a few of them. This four team business is ridiculous.
Me too:notworthy

[cyfallsbooster2]

Everything is debateable. That why were here.:D

We are here because we have no real life!:D

[cyfallsbooster2]

My definition of pure is having one bracket and one champion. Ideally, I would like to see two teams per district.

My idea of pure is similar. One bracket, one champion. But, after that one begins to get into the semantics of who should go. Some districts are stacked. 155A the past 2-3 years proved well, 265A for years has proved well. This year, some 7-3 teams are not in the playoffs while some 3-6 teams are. So, how far do we carry it? This whole thing is a debate about how un-pure one wants to make the po's. Do we want to make it pure with the district champ making it only? Or, do we want to make it less than pure to the level of 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 ..........teams making the playoffs.

I guess everyone wants to be less than pure but more pure than someone else. That bs debate will go on forever and that bores me.

[C-DUB]

We are here because we have no real life!:D

Your right but it's Pure:rolleyes:

[cyfallsbooster2]

Your right but it's Pure:rolleyes:

fer sure!;)

[MemorialMustangs]

So you vote for less "pure" than 1 team. That just does not make sense. Either you are "pure" or you are not. If you are not "pure", then you are some degree of not pure. So who is to say 4 times less than pure is better than 2 times less than pure? Either one has to say 1 playoff team is best or they have to say that some OTHER scenario is better. Then we get into which less than perfect scenario is best. The debate between 2 or 4 is so lame. It is merely a debate between how pure one wants to be.

I think just one team making it makes it like u cant play a bad game... The Woodlands wouldnt be in the playoffs - many people call them one of the better teams in the state... In a way that makes every game a playoff game... If u lose one game then its all over...

[drgnbkr]

Here is how the bracket would look under the old two team format. There are some good teams from strong districts who would miss out, but you can't tell me this bracket wouldn't produce a worthy champion. And it would do so in a much less watered down format than what we have now. I used point differentials to settle tie breakers.

Long live the old school.

Region 1

EP Montwood vs. Odessa
Abilene vs. Arlington Martin
Euless Trinity vs. Southlake Carroll
Cedar Hill vs. Plano

EP Coronado vs. Odessa Permian
NRH Richland vs. Arlington Bowie
Colleyville Heritage vs. Lewisville Hebron
Duncanville vs. Allen

Region 2

Lake Highlands vs. Garland
DeSoto vs. A&M Consolidated
Klein Oak vs. The Woodlands
Cy Creek vs. Round Rock

Dallas Skyline vs. Rowlett
Tyler Lee vs. Copperas Cove
Klein Forest vs. Lufkin
Cy Ridge vs. RR Stony Point

Region 3

Cinco Ranch vs. Houston Memorial
Aldine Eisenhower vs. Houston Madison
North Shore vs. Deer Park
FB Hightower vs. Clear Lake

Katy vs. Strake Jesuit
Humble vs. Houston Lamar
Beaumont West Brook vs. Pearland
FB Travis vs. Clear Brook

Region 4

Austin Westlake vs. Smithson Valley
Converse Judson vs. SA Clark
SA Southwest vs. McAllen
PSJA North vs. Brownsville Pace

Pflugerville vs. SA Reagan
SA Wagner vs. SA Warren
Laredo United vs. McAllen Memorial
Harlingen vs. Los Fresnos

Wow.

We're good with it...let's go..

[cyfallsbooster2]

I think just one team making it makes it like u cant play a bad game... The Woodlands wouldnt be in the playoffs - many people call them one of the better teams in the state... In a way that makes every game a playoff game... If u lose one game then its all over...

Wouldn't that be great? Every district game actually means something........win or no playoffs this year. With a 2 team format, now you can pick the game you rest your injured players. With a 3 team format you get to pick 2 games. With a 4 team format you get to pick 3 games. So where is the RIGHT line? Where do YOU set YOUR standards? Highest? Lowest? Or somewhere in between?

[MemorialMustangs]

Wouldn't that be great? Every district game actually means something........win or no playoffs this year. With a 2 team format, now you can pick the game you rest your injured players. With a 3 team format you get to pick 2 games. With a 4 team format you get to pick 3 games. So where is the RIGHT line? Where do YOU set YOUR standards? Highest? Lowest? Or somewhere in between?

Well I would argue that even now every game matters because of seeding and district title and stuff... And u always bring ur team to win - not to give half an effort... I just think it would ruin it for teams that just have a bad game plain and simple... For example I would say we played bad against Strake Jesuit - we finished second... But we have one of the best defenses in state and an underrated offense... We also played bad against Hastings (it was 7-0 Hastings for almost the whole half) we scored a TD right before halftime and then 3 TDs in the 3rd quarter and then played keep away... But we were lucky that the game against Hastings wasnt a top team... It wasnt like we tried to lose or wanted to lose... we just didnt click for a half... I think that happens to everyone... So with 1 team making it I would say a good portion of what gets u in (not most but a good portion) is luck...

What happens if theres a 3 way tie for first where they all beat each other? Coin flip? point Differential? Is that the way to end those other 2 teams seasons - heck one of those teams beat the team in the playoffs!!!

And anyways - I dont know why u support something that shortens the football season/playoffs... I say extend it as much as u can (6 playoff games)...

[cyfallsbooster2]

Well I would argue that even now every game matters because of seeding and district title and stuff... And u always bring ur team to win - not to give half an effort... I just think it would ruin it for teams that just have a bad game plain and simple... For example I would say we played bad against Strake Jesuit - we finished second... But we have one of the best defenses in state and an underrated offense... We also played bad against Hastings (it was 7-0 Hastings for almost the whole half) we scored a TD right before halftime and then 3 TDs in the 3rd quarter and then played keep away... But we were lucky that the game against Hastings wasnt a top team... It wasnt like we tried to lose or wanted to lose... we just didnt click for a half... I think that happens to everyone... So with 1 team making it I would say a good portion of what gets u in (not most but a good portion) is luck...

What happens if theres a 3 way tie for first where they all beat each other? Coin flip? point Differential? Is that the way to end those other 2 teams seasons - heck one of those teams beat the team in the playoffs!!!

And anyways - I dont know why u support something that shortens the football season/playoffs... I say extend it as much as u can (6 playoff games)...

So why not extend it to 6 or 8 playoff teams? That would extend it more than the 4 teams. So based on your opinion, we should let EVERY team make the playoffs, That would extend them as much as possible.

[MemorialMustangs]

So why not extend it to 6 or 8 playoff teams? That would extend it more than the 4 teams. So based on your opinion, we should let EVERY team make the playoffs, That would extend them as much as possible.

no because I dont think games should be played after Christmas

2 teams making playoffs (bracket of 64) would end right where it does now

[THSBandDad]

Nope. Move only 1 to the playoffs. The district champ. If you want 2 teams to move on, you are no more of a man than the UIL with their 4 teams.

Very mature statement. I'm presenting opinions and you take a personal attack. Smart, very smart. You have an opinion, so express it and move on.

You obviously weren't around back when only one team went.

[PirateParent2011]

I guess I am just a competitive purist. Name another sport with playoffs that ends with two brackets and two champions. I can't think of one. It makes no sense from a competitive point of view, but I realize that's not as high on the agenda as it might have been in the past. High school football is big business for the ISDs now.

Hey KT, do you think that creating a 6A league might solve the issue of two brackets/two champions? 5A would be the current Div 2 schools and 6A would be the current Div 1 schools. Then you could go back to 2 teams per district and 1 champion per league without really changing the overall number of teams that get to play in the PO each year. That's assuming there are enough large population schools to make up a 6A league. I'm not sure that there are.