Judson moving mountains

[lonny23]

This is a good article that's in the Expense-News. The paper won't talk about them all year, but saves all the pub for the playoff runs! It happens every year.

Football: Height scaled, Judson plots return to top

Web Posted: 11/25/2005 12:00 AM CST
Clint Hale
Express-News Staff Writer

Judson won a state football championship in 2002, reached the state semifinals last season and finished 9-3 in 2001.

By all accounts, the Rockets have been successful in coach Jim Rackley's five seasons.

But never under Rackley, or predecessors Frank Arnold and D.W. Rutledge, had the Rockets moved a mountain.

Until this month.

On Nov. 4, Judson, needing a 21-point victory to reach the postseason, routed Reagan 38-13 to secure District 26-5A's final playoff berth.

"We told our kids before that game that they needed mountain-moving faith," Rackley said. "We told them, 'If you do this, you can make history.' People spend 40 years and never get that opportunity. Reagan represented that."

That victory, which ensured the program's 29th consecutive winning season, enabled Judson to begin another patented playoff run.

The Rockets (8-4), who have rolled in their two postseason games, face Harlingen (10-2) tonight at Texas A&M-Kingsville in the Class 5A Division I state quarterfinals.

"The expectations are tremendous every year," said Rick Rhoades, one of five new Judson assistants this season. "That was the thing that struck me when I got here. I would walk through the hall, and people made it very clear that the expectations are for Judson to do well."

For a program with six state championships, a 4-4 start this season didn't suffice.

The Rockets, after going 2-1 in nondistrict play, lost three of their first five 26-5A games. Judson was without up to 13 starters at one point in that span because of injury or disciplinary reasons.

Eight of those starters have returned, four others are no longer with the team, and Judson has won four straight.

"I give Jim Rackley 110 percent of the credit for that because he did it his way," said Madison coach Jim Streety, whose team defeated Judson 23-14 on Oct. 21. "He stuck with what he believed in."

Such as an appreciation for victory.

"When we lost early, we started splitting at the seams," Rackley said. "Some players thought you just go out there and win, but you don't. You have to earn it. If you don't know how to lose and fight right back, then you're never going to win."

Rackley gained such realization in two stints as an assistant coach at Judson. Having served under Arnold and Rutledge, and being a part of four state titles, he learned that winning is a collective feat.

Rackley's passionate demeanor, meanwhile, is all his own.

"He's like that little bulldog," said Rutledge, who coached Judson to four state championships. "He's persistent to the end, and the players really respond to him."

It just took a bit longer this season.

"He has that energy and enthusiasm," Rockets defensive back Tony Harp said. "That spirit is in everything we do. It's uplifting."

Whether it's enough for a seventh state title is uncertain.

But, for another season, the dynasty lives.

"When you've been on top as long as Judson has, everyone keeps wondering when it's going to end," Rackley said. "Nothing lasts forever. But as long as I'm here, that's my job, to keep tradition."

And, as moving mountains goes, to establish new ones as well.

[eingedikid]

But never under Rackley, or predecessors Frank Arnold and D.W. Rutledge, had the Rockets moved a mountain.

Until this month.

"We told our kids before that game that they needed mountain-moving faith," Rackley said. "We told them, 'If you do this, you can make history.' People spend 40 years and never get that opportunity. Reagan represented that."


It's like I said in another post here, Judson is best when they're the "Judson Rocky's." I'll post the words to the song one more time:
NOTE: I especially like the last stanza, since it can insinnuate flying really high, as like a Judson Rocket/"Judson Rocky"


Trying hard now
it's so hard now
trying hard now

Getting strong now
won't be long now
getting strong now

Gonna fly now
flying high now
gonna fly, fly, fly...

[Alamo_Mojo]

It's like I said in another post here, Judson is best when they're the "Judson Rocky's." I'll post the words to the song one more time:
NOTE: I especially like the last stanza, since it can insinnuate flying really high, as like a Judson Rocket/"Judson Rocky"


Trying hard now
it's so hard now
trying hard now

Getting strong now
won't be long now
getting strong now

Gonna fly now
flying high now
gonna fly, fly, fly...


Do you have a SONG that will fit after you play Spring Westfield...Any suggestions? :D

[lonny23]

Do you have a SONG that will fit after you play Spring Westfield...Any suggestions? :D
Nana na na
Nana na na
Hey goodbye!:p

[eingedikid]

Do you have a SONG that will fit after you play Spring Westfield...Any suggestions? :D
Same one as above ("Gonna Fly Now"/Theme from Rocky")---win or lose. Remember, Rocky didn't win in that first meeting with Creed. Likewise , the "Judson Rocky's" didn't always win either these past 29 seasons, but their effort still reserved the right for them to use that song.

[Alamo_Mojo]

Nana na na
Nana na na
Hey goodbye!:p

I'm hoping the Rockets do win if the WF/ Rocket matchup happens. Then ON to another State title. Then you can really claim 6 TITLES, and TRASH that 88* EMBARASSMENT you have pasted on your scoreboard at Rocket stadium.:eek:

[lonny23]

I'm hoping the Rockets do win if the WF/ Rocket matchup happens. Then ON to another State title. Then you can really claim 6 TITLES, and TRASH that 88* EMBARASSMENT you have pasted on your scoreboard at Rocket stadium.:eek:
It's not an embarassment. Look at these scores and tell me that Judson wasn't the best team going into the title game. They were the most deserving champion when it was determined that Carter cheated. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if cheating was the difference between winning or losing. If you cheat and get caught, somebody else gets your reward. It's just like Katy in 1998. They can't rightfully claim that they qualified for the finals because they were disqualified. MacArthur rightfully deserved to be there and could've played a lot better with more notice. Who gets disqualified in 2008?:p
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/5A1988.html
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/5A1998Dv2.html

[nate]

It's just like Katy in 1998. They can't rightfully claim that they qualified for the finals because they were disqualified. MacArthur rightfully deserved to be there and could've played a lot better with more notice.

SA MacArthur got exactly what they deserved. There's a big difference between cheating and what Katy has happen in '98.

[implacable44]

I'm hoping the Rockets do win if the WF/ Rocket matchup happens. Then ON to another State title. Then you can really claim 6 TITLES, and TRASH that 88* EMBARASSMENT you have pasted on your scoreboard at Rocket stadium.:eek:

why don't you put down that bottle of Haterade and keep telling yourself about those 6 titles --- keep jealousy alive -- it feeds the Rocket pride.

[farmerfan]

It's not an embarassment. Look at these scores and tell me that Judson wasn't the best team going into the title game. They were the most deserving champion when it was determined that Carter cheated. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if cheating was the difference between winning or losing. If you cheat and get caught, somebody else gets your reward.
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/5A1988.html
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/5A1998Dv2.html


Sorry but you are way off Lonny. The best team going into the time they got beat would have been Permian. Before they got beat by Carter they got by a very very good Arlington Lamar team who had yet to give up a point in the playoffs as well as a very talented offense. Judson would not have beat them or even come close to Lamar, Permian, Nimitz or Marshall, Lufkin or Carter in region 2.
The only way to tell who had the better teams was the way they all played Dallas Carter. Judson was not even close to winning that game, Permian and Marshall both could makes cases that they had every opportunity in the final minute to win the game.
Sometimes your homerism just makes me laugh, Judson would not have gotten out of regionals in the top half of the state in 1988.
As far as cheating and getting caught so someone else deserves your title, well you are right, its just a shame that two teams who played Dallas Carter to the final play of the game did not get the title but someone who got blasted by 17 points does get the title. I guess some of us just enjoy backing our way into rewards.

[lonny23]

Nana na na
Nana na na
Hey goodbye!:p
This is Texas and we should be courteous with a new song.

Happy trails to you until we meet again!:D

[lonny23]

SA MacArthur got exactly what they deserved. There's a big difference between cheating and what Katy has happen in '98.
I agree that Katy was honest in 98 and I respect them for that. I was trying to make a point that MacArthur was a worthy opponent for Katy and only got beat that bad because they had 1 day to prepare for the title game.

[lonny23]

Sorry but you are way off Lonny. The best team going into the time they got beat would have been Permian. Before they got beat by Carter they got by a very very good Arlington Lamar team who had yet to give up a point in the playoffs as well as a very talented offense. Judson would not have beat them or even come close to Lamar, Permian, Nimitz or Marshall, Lufkin or Carter in region 2.
The only way to tell who had the better teams was the way they all played Dallas Carter. Judson was not even close to winning that game, Permian and Marshall both could makes cases that they had every opportunity in the final minute to win the game.
Sometimes your homerism just makes me laugh, Judson would not have gotten out of regionals in the top half of the state in 1988.
As far as cheating and getting caught so someone else deserves your title, well you are right, its just a shame that two teams who played Dallas Carter to the final play of the game did not get the title but someone who got blasted by 17 points does get the title. I guess some of us just enjoy backing our way into rewards.
I know other teams played Carter better than Judson, but I still say that game was somewhat of an aberration. If Dallas had played Buffalo again in 1993, they wouldn't have won the Super Bowl by 35 points (or 42 in a 52-10 like it should've been). That 1 game can't be the benchmark for the whole playoffs like some people say. Every week we have disagreements on this board because somebody wants to pick a game to make a point about a certain team being better than another one. You have to take more than just 1 game.

Somebody else might've been better than Judson that year. 17 years ago, we didn't have info like we do now. I saw the title game, but not the rest of the 5A playoffs living in Mt. Pleasant.

Like anybody else, I wish Judson had won the title on the field. It only makes sense that they got the title since they played in the title game and we'll never REALLY know who would win. I don't think it's fair that Judson has suffered the grief they've endured for 17 years. They catch more flak than Carter did for cheating. It's like getting raped and then asking the victim why it happened.

I'd like to hear what the long-time Judson fans think about 1988. How much worse did we play in the title game than a normal performance that year? If they say we were overmtached and had no chance to win, I'll accept that. I think it was a combo of nothing going our way against a talented team who played their best game of the playoffs.

[farmerfan]

I know other teams played Carter better than Judson, but I still say that game was somewhat of an aberration. If Dallas had played Buffalo again in 1993, they wouldn't have won the Super Bowl by 35 points (or 42 in a 52-10 like it should've been). That 1 game can't be the benchmark for the whole playoffs like some people say. Every week we have disagreements on this board because somebody wants to pick a game to make a point about a certain team being better than another one. You have to take more than just 1 game.

Somebody else might've been better than Judson that year. 17 years ago, we didn't have info like we do now. I saw the title game, but not the rest of the 5A playoffs living in Mt. Pleasant.

Like anybody else, I wish Judson had won the title on the field. It only makes sense that they got the title since they played in the title game and we'll never REALLY know who would win. I don't think it's fair that Judson has suffered the grief they've endured for 17 years. They catch more flak than Carter did for cheating. It's like getting raped and then asking the victim why it happened.

I'd like to hear what the long-time Judson fans think about 1988. How much worse did we play in the title game than a normal performance that year? If they say we were overmtached and had no chance to win, I'll accept that. I think it was a combo of nothing going our way against a talented team who played their best game of the playoffs.


I believe Lufkin fans will tell you the game Carter played against Lufkin was their best of the playoffs. Carter absolutely smoked what was a good Lufkin team. The same can be said with Permian and what they did to a very good Lamar team.
It's more than fair for Judson to endure the greif they have, the fact is you are getting credit for a title you did not win on the field. You are claiming a trophy that was gieven to you simply because you were the team that was in the title game not because you were the 2nd best team in the state. All we can go on is facts and recent scores when comparing those last few games, and from the evidence presented Judson would not have gotten out of region 2 in 1988. So the greif they have endured has been backed up and is credible. Im sorry but Judson did not and does not deserve credit for the 88 state championship.

[lonny23]

I believe Lufkin fans will tell you the game Carter played against Lufkin was their best of the playoffs. Carter absolutely smoked what was a good Lufkin team. The same can be said with Permian and what they did to a very good Lamar team.
It's more than fair for Judson to endure the greif they have, the fact is you are getting credit for a title you did not win on the field. You are claiming a trophy that was gieven to you simply because you were the team that was in the title game not because you were the 2nd best team in the state. All we can go on is facts and recent scores when comparing those last few games, and from the evidence presented Judson would not have gotten out of region 2 in 1988. So the greif they have endured has been backed up and is credible. Im sorry but Judson did not and does not deserve credit for the 88 state championship.
It's just a bad situation. You can blame the court system for the whole mess. Carter was 1 step ahead of the posse the whole way and kept getting injunctions. I do feel bad for all the teams Carter beat that didn't get a chance to move on. Many teams have been in the situation like Carter where somebody is DQ'd and they don't get to play anymore, but the Carter situation is the worst because they won the title before being DQ'd.

I can't say Carter deserved the title because they cheated. I can't say Judson deserved it because they lost. You can't say anybody deserved it and it had to be awarded to somebody. I'll always side with the team that won the most games.

[LoneRocket]

Do you have a SONG that will fit after you play Spring Westfield...Any suggestions? :D
Conquest from the Rocky III sound track, Burning Heart, war, No Easy Way Out or even the Training Montage from the Rocky IV sound track.

[LoneRocket]

I'm hoping the Rockets do win if the WF/ Rocket matchup happens. Then ON to another State title. Then you can really claim 6 TITLES, and TRASH that 88* EMBARASSMENT you have pasted on your scoreboard at Rocket stadium.:eek:
Man, the past is the past get over it.

[bullrock]

I think if you look at the UIL awarded state titles, it will proclaim Judson the 1988 state champion. That is enough for us because that is the official record. For those of you who say differently, it only shows your jealousy. If you want to take hypothetical situations, then why not award the title to Lufkin. Just because Carter beat them doesn't mean Lufkin wouldn't have walked through the competition to the title. Your statements about who was best is without merit. So on that basis, I would say Judson would have beaten Permian, Marshall, and whoever else lined up to play them by at least 35 points. That's my opinion and you can't prove otherwise.

[farmerfan]

It is not that hard toprove that Judson was not the best in 1988, something Coach Rutledge said he would not take credit for, but then went on to accept the trophy as well as take credit for the state title.
The one thing we have to go on is scores. Carter played both Marshall and Permian to very close football games. Marshall and Permian played to a 1 pt game as well that year. I think it was obvious that Marshall, Permian and Carter were all on a level playing field in 1988, Judson was not.

I love it also how people say because someone wants to dispute this they are jealous of Judson. Why is it all you people think we are jealous of Judson? I take the facts, the facts are that Permian, Marshall and Carter were all on a level playing field and Judson was not in their league that year. That is why I feel it is a tainted state championship and laughable for someone to claim they were playing the best football going into the state championship that year.

[lonny23]

It is not that hard toprove that Judson was not the best in 1988, something Coach Rutledge said he would not take credit for, but then went on to accept the trophy as well as take credit for the state title.
The one thing we have to go on is scores. Carter played both Marshall and Permian to very close football games. Marshall and Permian played to a 1 pt game as well that year. I think it was obvious that Marshall, Permian and Carter were all on a level playing field in 1988, Judson was not.

I love it also how people say because someone wants to dispute this they are jealous of Judson. Why is it all you people think we are jealous of Judson? I take the facts, the facts are that Permian, Marshall and Carter were all on a level playing field and Judson was not in their league that year. That is why I feel it is a tainted state championship and laughable for someone to claim they were playing the best football going into the state championship that year.
I'll give you that Marshall, Permian, and Carter were on a level playing field because they have multiple common games to come to that conclusion. Judson played Carter only and 1 time. That doesn't tell you how good either team was and that only Carter was better that day. I don't think Lewisville was 24 points better than Judson, but they were that day in 1996.

[farmerfan]

I'll give you that Marshall, Permian, and Carter were on a level playing field because they have multiple common games to come to that conclusion. Judson played Carter only and 1 time. That doesn't tell you how good either team was and that only Carter was better that day. I don't think Lewisville was 24 points better than Judson, but they were that day in 1996.

Permian only played Carter and Marshall once to, the results were all very similar. Marshall beat Permian by 1, Carter beat Marshall by 3, Carter beat Permian by 5. Carter beat Judson by 17. The scores showed that all three were on the same level and it is justifiable to compare it to the result of the game between Judson and Carter to show that it was unfair to strip a state title from Carter and award it to Judson when other teams played Carter much tougher. The UIL never should have awarded a state title after they stripped it from Carter.

well you might not think we were 24 better than Judson, but I saw us destroy teams all year. So yes we were that much better than Judson. We beat 5 district champs in the playoffs that year, including a 10-0 Duncanville 34-14, a undfeated Haltom 45-8 and a 1 loss Lubbock Corando 35-13 and a 1 loss Killeen Ellison team 49-0 in the semis. What we did to Judson was only a shock to yall because no one had ever done something like that to the Rockets. You play us anywhere in the state that year and the results would have been the same.

[LoneRocket]

Carter "worked us" the UIL awarded us the title, the past is the past we are not the only team that the UIL has awarded something to in football. Get over it we are concerned about the future.

[farmerfan]

Carter "worked us" the UIL awarded us the title, the past is the past we are not the only team that the UIL has awarded something to in football. Get over it we are concerned about the future.

i think most are over it, it was one of your own that brought it up and continues to add fuel to the fire by making comments to bring up the past.

[LoneRocket]

i think most are over it, it was one of your own that brought it up and continues to add fuel to the fire by making comments to bring up the past.
We all have that strange uncle who we only see during Thanksgiving and Christmas where we have to correct him when he gets out of line and then we have to put him in the closet during the rest of the year.

[lonny23]

i think most are over it, it was one of your own that brought it up and continues to add fuel to the fire by making comments to bring up the past.
That's because I think you're jumping to conclusions. I shouldn't have said they were the best team in the playoffs because I don't have the relative strength of all the other teams to make that conclusion. By the same token, saying that the title game justifies the value of Judson is also short-sighted. This is the same argument about North Shore and Lufkin because of The Woodlands game. I need to see somebody that played Judson who has ties to Carter, Marshall, or Permian that year to make me lean one way or the other.

[bullrock]

If you're not jealous then why do you continue to attack? Would it make you feel better if we shipped the title to Lewisville and declare them the 1988 state champs because Judson was not deserving of it? Hell I'm sure ya'll beat somebody that beat somebody that beat Amarillo that played Lufkin close, that tied with El Paso Franklin, and beat the Dallas Cowboys that year. I say Judson was heads and shoulders above all of the programs you're talkiing about. We have the hardware. get over it. Would you like us to ship the'02 trophy to Midland? Afterall, they did win didn't they? I'm sure there was probably a procedure call that was ignored on our last offensive play. 17 years of bull$hit from the envious.

[lonny23]

If you're not jealous then why do you continue to attack? Would it make you feel better if we shipped the title to Lewisville and declare them the 1988 state champs because Judson was not deserving of it? Hell I'm sure ya'll beat somebody that beat somebody that beat Amarillo that played Lufkin close, that tied with El Paso Franklin, and beat the Dallas Cowboys that year. I say Judson was heads and shoulders above all of the programs you're talkiing about. We have the hardware. get over it. Would you like us to ship the'02 trophy to Midland? Afterall, they did win didn't they? I'm sure there was probably a procedure call that was ignored on our last offensive play. 17 years of bull$hit from the envious.
I saw the 1988 Cowboys. It was probably true. I'd take Judson over the 1988 Cowboys. I might even take Mt. Pleasant!:p

[Rocketman]

ok, I will tell you straight up, I played on that 88 Judson team and we would have lost to carter everytime if we had played them ten times they would have beaten us all ten times, AND YES odessa, arl. lamar and marshall all would have beaten us we barely got by a big slow Houston Statford team in the semi's that year. and Odessa would have beaten us too.

[jrp83]

Permian only played Carter and Marshall once to, the results were all very similar. Marshall beat Permian by 1, Carter beat Marshall by 3, Carter beat Permian by 5. Carter beat Judson by 17. The scores showed that all three were on the same level and it is justifiable to compare it to the result of the game between Judson and Carter to show that it was unfair to strip a state title from Carter and award it to Judson when other teams played Carter much tougher. The UIL never should have awarded a state title after they stripped it from Carter.

well you might not think we were 24 better than Judson, but I saw us destroy teams all year. So yes we were that much better than Judson. We beat 5 district champs in the playoffs that year, including a 10-0 Duncanville 34-14, a undfeated Haltom 45-8 and a 1 loss Lubbock Corando 35-13 and a 1 loss Killeen Ellison team 49-0 in the semis. What we did to Judson was only a shock to yall because no one had ever done something like that to the Rockets. You play us anywhere in the state that year and the results would have been the same.
This is your opinion, my opinion as well as other Judson backers is that Judson played their worst game of the year that day against Carter. Nobody can say who would have won if Judson played someone other than Carter. They would have prepared differently for a different opponent. Anything else is all speculation. Go Rockets!

[Alamo_Mojo]

ok, I will tell you straight up, I played on that 88 Judson team and we would have lost to carter everytime if we had played them ten times they would have beaten us all ten times, AND YES odessa, arl. lamar and marshall all would have beaten us we barely got by a big slow Houston Statford team in the semi's that year. and Odessa would have beaten us too.

Rocketman bold statement, and I'm a Permian Fan 1st Rocket Fan 2nd. The longer I live here in SA the more of a Homer I'm turning into! I would easily agreed with you years ago, but I've come realize NEVER count out the Rockets until its the 4th quarter and the clock READS 00:00

You never know how the Rockets of 1988 and Permian of 1988 would have matched up on the field, or Arl. Lamar or Marshall! These teams may have looked good on paper but that is when the Rockets play their best! Its fun to say yes Permian would have beaten the Rockets 1988 if they would have played, but who's to say Permain might of played the worst game of the year in 1998 if they would have met. I mean even Roger Staubach had a bad day or 2!

Best team don't always win! I thought the Rocket team that lost to Duncanville in the state game was better than Duncanville! There is no way you say they were BETTER! The breaks were in the favor of Duncanville, or the Rockets would have another title marked on their scoreboard. Its fun to talk but you just never know!

[LoneRocket]

This is your opinion, my opinion as well as other Judson backers is that Judson played their worst game of the year that day against Carter. Nobody can say who would have won if Judson played someone other than Carter. They would have prepared differently for a different opponent. Anything else is all speculation. Go Rockets!
I think the turning point of that game was when the DE's sandwiched QB Robert Hall. He left the game and came back and played an excellent game. We had some sophomores playing in key positions.

[bullrock]

Great point Mojo! 1988 sophomore sensation Darnell Stephens.

[farmerfan]

If you're not jealous then why do you continue to attack? Would it make you feel better if we shipped the title to Lewisville and declare them the 1988 state champs because Judson was not deserving of it? Hell I'm sure ya'll beat somebody that beat somebody that beat Amarillo that played Lufkin close, that tied with El Paso Franklin, and beat the Dallas Cowboys that year. I say Judson was heads and shoulders above all of the programs you're talkiing about. We have the hardware. get over it. Would you like us to ship the'02 trophy to Midland? Afterall, they did win didn't they? I'm sure there was probably a procedure call that was ignored on our last offensive play. 17 years of bull$hit from the envious.


That is crap and you know it. In 1988 we finished 8-1-1 and out of the playoffs so it makes you sound like a fool to say I think the trophy should be shipped to Lewisville. Why would I be jealous of Judson? I have always respected Judson and never said anything bad about them. Also I have never attacked yall when you and your fans attack our 96 team by saying we got lucky or that we had kids that were to old to be playing, also why would I be jealous when we kicked your butt up and down the field?
Sure you have more state titles than we do and have accomplished more than we ever have, that is a testament to your program, but I have no reason to be jealous of any program. I have pride in Lewisville and what it has accomplished on the field, but never any jealousy towards any other program.
You might have the hardware but it is by default. You only got the trophy because you were in the title game and not Permian or Marshall and that is a fact.

[lonny23]

ok, I will tell you straight up, I played on that 88 Judson team and we would have lost to carter everytime if we had played them ten times they would have beaten us all ten times, AND YES odessa, arl. lamar and marshall all would have beaten us we barely got by a big slow Houston Statford team in the semi's that year. and Odessa would have beaten us too.
I know I posted this yesterday, but it got cut out somehow.

Thanks for your comments. I've never heard anybody from Judson say that. Farmerfan, you were right.

[lonny23]

That is crap and you know it. In 1988 we finished 8-1-1 and out of the playoffs so it makes you sound like a fool to say I think the trophy should be shipped to Lewisville. Why would I be jealous of Judson? I have always respected Judson and never said anything bad about them. Also I have never attacked yall when you and your fans attack our 96 team by saying we got lucky or that we had kids that were to old to be playing, also why would I be jealous when we kicked your butt up and down the field?
Sure you have more state titles than we do and have accomplished more than we ever have, that is a testament to your program, but I have no reason to be jealous of any program. I have pride in Lewisville and what it has accomplished on the field, but never any jealousy towards any other program.
You might have the hardware but it is by default. You only got the trophy because you were in the title game and not Permian or Marshall and that is a fact.
I sure hope you're not talking about me when you throw the lucky part in there. You should know I'm joking around about a 24 point victory when I call it luck. I say that kind of stuff all the time!:D

[jrp83]

That is crap and you know it. In 1988 we finished 8-1-1 and out of the playoffs so it makes you sound like a fool to say I think the trophy should be shipped to Lewisville. Why would I be jealous of Judson? I have always respected Judson and never said anything bad about them. Also I have never attacked yall when you and your fans attack our 96 team by saying we got lucky or that we had kids that were to old to be playing, also why would I be jealous when we kicked your butt up and down the field?
Sure you have more state titles than we do and have accomplished more than we ever have, that is a testament to your program, but I have no reason to be jealous of any program. I have pride in Lewisville and what it has accomplished on the field, but never any jealousy towards any other program.
You might have the hardware but it is by default. You only got the trophy because you were in the title game and not Permian or Marshall and that is a fact.
You nor anyone else can't say that Judson would not have beaten those other teams. You are welcome to your opinion, but it, as is mine, is all speculation since those matchups never happened. Again, my opinion is that Judson could have beaten those other teams as well as Carter, but they played their worse game of the season that day. We all have our opinions, we all can speculate, but that doesn't change the fact that nobody knows what the outcome would have been if Judson played someone else that day. And by the way, Lewisville did win the 96' title game handily, but I seem to recall you guys' defense getting pushed around a little bit as well. Judson was within TD midway through the 3rd, then you guys went crazy and put it away. Don't try and make like it was 63-7 or something like that. Judson kept up with you guys for awhile. Go Rockets!!

[farmerfan]

You nor anyone else can't say that Judson would not have beaten those other teams. You are welcome to your opinion, but it, as is mine, is all speculation since those matchups never happened. Again, my opinion is that Judson could have beaten those other teams as well as Carter, but they played their worse game of the season that day. We all have our opinions, we all can speculate, but that doesn't change the fact that nobody knows what the outcome would have been if Judson played someone else that day. And by the way, Lewisville did win the 96' title game handily, but I seem to recall you guys' defense getting pushed around a little bit as well. Judson was within TD midway through the 3rd, then you guys went crazy and put it away. Don't try and make like it was 63-7 or something like that. Judson kept up with you guys for awhile. Go Rockets!!


You made it close on a long TD pass as time expired in the 1st half. We bulldozed our way to the tune of 534 yards rushing that saw 4 guys go for a 100. We steamrolled you all day. After going up 21-0 you guys made it a game for about a quarter. I have not made it sound like it was 63-7 but to say taht you guys had a chance to win that game is laughable. That game was never in doubt. When you can win a state title without attempting a single pass and setting a title game record for rushing yards then I think you are running up and down the field pretty effectively. In my mind it is the greatest 'Bone/option' team of the 5A era and one that you never contained all day.

[bullrock]

Nobody disagrees with your opinion of the Lewisville team. They were awsome and the thing about being old. That was me and it was all a joke. You're too sensitive to be reading these "R" rated posts about you and your team. Chill out man. Nobody has knocked you. You're the one doing that.

[farmerfan]

well i get sensitive according to yall, but all you guys have been doing is knocking why I think that Judson did not deserve the hardware in 1988 so I guess we are both sensitive.
I mean it seems as if anytime someone disagrees with a Judson fan then all they do is get attacked, but then when someone says something about another team no one is suppose to defend them? sometimes you guys are the epitome of a double standard.

[TexasRed6x]

well i get sensative according to yall, but all you guys have been doing is knocking why I think that Judson did not deserve the hardware in 1988 so I guess we are both sensative.

Ok Ok they did not deserve the damm thing, if I were Judson I would give it back because Farmer said so. I think that the shelves are getting to the point where they might break, so having one less at this time will help things.

[farmerfan]

Ok Ok they did not deserve the damm thing, if I were Judson I would give it back because Farmer said so. I think that the shelves are getting to the point where they might break, so having one less at this time will help things.

well considering you got beat 31-14 do you really feel you deserved credit for the state title?

[bullrock]

Don't matter what anybody thinks. I had nothing to do with what took place 17 years ago and there is nothing that is going to change it.

[TexasRed6x]

well considering you got beat 31-14 do you really feel you deserved credit for the state title?

At this point it has been 17 years I at this point I could care less, If Carter was not in the finals who knows, I did not make that decision I tend to get over and move on, so should everyone else

[lonny23]

Ok Ok they did not deserve the damm thing, if I were Judson I would give it back because Farmer said so. I think that the shelves are getting to the point where they might break, so having one less at this time will help things.
I've seen those shelves. They are kinda full!:p

I think Farmer has done a lot to stir Rocket pride this week!:D

[farmerfan]

At this point it has been 17 years I at this point I could care less, If Carter was not in the finals who knows, I did not make that decision I tend to get over and move on, so should everyone else


Well we can all thank Lonny then. As long as he continues to make comments like he did at the beginning of this thread, people will disagree with him and add their comments.

[lonny23]

At this point it has been 17 years I at this point I could care less, If Carter was not in the finals who knows, I did not make that decision I tend to get over and move on, so should everyone else
Carter never should've sniffed the Finals that year. Our sorry court system is what kept them alive.

[farmerfan]

I've seen those shelves. They are kinda full!:p

I think Farmer has done a lot to stir Rocket pride this week!:D

and plenty have done their share to stir Famer pride this week as well as the last 3 years :D

[TexasRed6x]

Well we can all thank Lonny then. As long as he continues to make comments like he did at the beginning of this thread, people will disagree with him and add their comments.

Farmer this thread was about a newspaper article that was in the S.A. Express this week about Rackley and his Rockets. In the article it never said anything about Dallas Carter and the 1988 Championship, lets move on. If you and Lonny would like to continue to chat take to the E-mail, we are now in the year 2005 and we will never be able to change what has been done.

[farmerfan]

Farmer this thread was about a newspaper article that was in the S.A. Express this week about Rackley and his Rockets. In the article it never said anything about Dallas Carter and the 1988 Championship, lets move on. If you and Lonny would like to continue to chat take to the E-mail, we are now in the year 2005 and we will never be able to change what has been done.


read post 6 and 7 of this thread and you will see how the debacle got started. It is the year 2005 so I guess you cant talk about any thing that has ever happend in the past :rolleyes:. Thanks for the memo, I guess I missed it.

[LoneRocket]

You made it close on a long TD pass as time expired in the 1st half. We bulldozed our way to the tune of 534 yards rushing that saw 4 guys go for a 100. We steamrolled you all day. After going up 21-0 you guys made it a game for about a quarter. I have not made it sound like it was 63-7 but to say taht you guys had a chance to win that game is laughable. That game was never in doubt. When you can win a state title without attempting a single pass and setting a title game record for rushing yards then I think you are running up and down the field pretty effectively. In my mind it is the greatest 'Bone/option' team of the 5A era and one that you never contained all day.
If it was not for those dark Maroon Jerseys and that Wishbone (not fair you guys should have ran out of the "I" like everybody else during that time) You would have only beaten us by 14 points okay 18 points.

[farmerfan]

If it was not for those dark Maroon Jerseys and that Wishbone (not fair you guys should have ran out of the "I" like everybody else during that time) You would have only beaten us by 14 points okay 18 points.

easy there lone
i tend to get a bit sensitive :)

[TexasRed6x]

read post 6 and 7 of this thread and you will see how the debacle got started. It is the year 2005 so I guess you cant talk about any thing that has ever happend in the past :rolleyes:. Thanks for the memo, I guess I missed it.
No you can, but you and I can't change the past, you beat us for a state championship, as did we to others.

[judson1]

What was done is done. This whole thread needs to be shutdown. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Tough one for my Rockets this week.

[LoneRocket]

That is crap and you know it. In 1988 we finished 8-1-1 and out of the playoffs so it makes you sound like a fool to say I think the trophy should be shipped to Lewisville. Why would I be jealous of Judson? I have always respected Judson and never said anything bad about them. Also I have never attacked yall when you and your fans attack our 96 team by saying we got lucky or that we had kids that were to old to be playing, also why would I be jealous when we kicked your butt up and down the field?
Sure you have more state titles than we do and have accomplished more than we ever have, that is a testament to your program, but I have no reason to be jealous of any program. I have pride in Lewisville and what it has accomplished on the field, but never any jealousy towards any other program.
You might have the hardware but it is by default. You only got the trophy because you were in the title game and not Permian or Marshall and that is a fact.
Farmer petition the UIL to make us get that trophy back. After all they made us take it and we do not want to upset the UIL, possession is 9/10's of the law.

[farmerfan]

Farmer petition the UIL to make us get that trophy back. After all they made us take it and we do not want to upset the UIL, possession is 9/10's of the law.


It was given to you, do you think you earned it?

[lonny23]

Well we can all thank Lonny then. As long as he continues to make comments like he did at the beginning of this thread, people will disagree with him and add their comments.
Alamo Mojo called 1988 an embarrassment and I responded. You can't blame me for responding. Do you have any idea how much people complain about that year? We can't change any previous game or year. Judson has the title from 1988 and they had a good team. We'll never know if they would've beaten the other teams, but they won 5 games and got to the Finals. Texas has had hundreds of champions in football, but we only get to hear about 1 team not deserving it and it gets old. I'm a Judson fan and I'm not doing my part as a fan if I don't take up for them. Those guys that played in 88 are the same age as me and I know they don't appreciate always having people trash their title during their senior year in high school. Mt. Pleasant missed the playoffs in 88 because of bum calls in the Paris game and we had a very good team. That Paris team coached by Allen Wilson went on to win state. It takes a lot to win playoff games and titles and I don't like having a title season trashed on this forum at least once a month if not more often.

[TexasRed6x]

It was given to you, do you think you earned it?

the answer is No, but we still have it, hey what if we auctioned it on E-bay then even folks from like Ike could have a chance to have a trophy.

[LoneRocket]

It was given to you, do you think you earned it?
Hey we took that beating fair and square. It is like being knocked out by Mike Tyson only come out of a coma two years later to find out you won while you are drinking your Thanksgiving Turkey through a straw. The UIL made an offer we better had not refuse.

[farmerfan]

the answer is No, but we still have it, hey what if we auctioned it on E-bay then even folks from like Ike could have a chance to have a trophy.

so why get offensive when people say Judson only has 5 state titles?

[farmerfan]

Texas has had hundreds of champions in football, but we only get to hear about 1 team not deserving it and it gets old.


Because that was the only team who lost the state championship game but still claims it as one of their titles.

[TexasRed6x]

so why get offensive when people say Judson only has 5 state titles?


Hey 5 , 6 who's counting them anyway, but because our stadium has 88 as a championship year, I have to go with that, even though I really get mad everytime I walk in that place.

[lonny23]

the answer is No, but we still have it, hey what if we auctioned it on E-bay then even folks from like Ike could have a chance to have a trophy.
Longview, too!:D

[LoneRocket]

Because that was the only team who lost the state championship game but still claims it as one of their titles.
I was reading an article where we were not the first to be awarded something base on someone breaking the rules in football. The UIL even wiped out records of teams and players who they caught cheating. Do you question M-Lee's title because of the Region III situation and Mac only had a day to prepare for the state game?

[lonny23]

Because that was the only team who lost the state championship game but still claims it as one of their titles.
It's not our fault that Carter was able to beat the court system for 2 years. It's not the first or last time a team has lost a game and then won because the other team was disqualified. It was the only time it was in a title game, though. You'll NEVER hear me say a team that loses a title game and has their opponent disqualified is not deserving of a title. I know the rules say the last team you play gets to play again and it's ALWAYS been that way. I hope it happens again just so Judson will catch a break!

[TexasRed6x]

It's not our fault that Carter was able to beat the court system for 2 years. It's not the first or last time a team has lost a game and then won because the other team was disqualified. It was the only time it was in a title game, though. You'll NEVER hear me say a team that loses a title game and has their opponent disqualified is not deserving of a title. I know the rules say the last team you play gets to play again and it's ALWAYS been that way. I hope it happens again just so Judson will catch a break!

Hey I hear that something like that is going at Spring Westfield and ET as we speak!!!

[farmerfan]

I was reading an article where we were not the first to be awarded something base on someone breaking the rules in football. The UIL even wiped out records of teams and players who they caught cheating. Do you question M-Lee's title because of the Region III situation and Mac only had a day to prepare for the state game?

It has some question to it, but Midland Lee won the title game, therefore you cant say they are claiming something they never won.

[LoneRocket]

It has some question to it, but Midland Lee won the title game, therefore you cant say they are claiming something they never won.
Should there be an astrick because MAC had turned in their equipment, had their helmets striped, they did not have a say in the location of the game, one day of practice, hard time making travel plans in a very short window, no film to study, probably hardly any scouting reports and the UIL was going to award Lee the title by default if they could not make travel plans to show up in Dallas? Like I said before the UIL made an offer they could not refuse.

[farmerfan]

Should there be an astrick because MAC had turned in their equipment, had their helmets striped, they did not have a say in the location of the game, one day of practice, hard time making travel plans in a very short window, no film to study, probably hardly any scouting reports and the UIL was going to award Lee the title by default if they could not make travel plans to show up in Dallas? Like I said before the UIL made an offer they could not refuse.

The situation is not comparable to Judsons. Lee won the game and proved to be the better team. Had Judson beat Carter the cheating and story that makes that year so unique would not even be remembered today.

[LoneRocket]

The situation is not comparable to Judsons. Lee won the game and proved to be the better team. Had Judson beat Carter the cheating and story that makes that year so unique would not even be remembered today.
But was it fair to MAC, The UIL was going to award them the title anyway and they did not care if MAC even showed up for that game. I was glad no one had gotten hurt in that game because of lack time to prepare.

[DiamondJ2]

Yawn to ff. Come talk to us when you have 5 or even 6 titles.

[Slim-Rob]

Ok Ok they did not deserve the damm thing, if I were Judson I would give it back because Farmer said so. I think that the shelves are getting to the point where they might break, so having one less at this time will help things.

The shelves ARE kinda old, and there sure are a lot of trophies EVERYWHERE. But 88 is still ours according to the UIL, so I'll take it. If you don't like it, write a letter to them and lets see what they say.

[HOOKEM]

I was reading an article where we were not the first to be awarded something base on someone breaking the rules in football. The UIL even wiped out records of teams and players who they caught cheating. Do you question M-Lee's title because of the Region III situation and Mac only had a day to prepare for the state game?
Good point. Katy is just a guilty as carter was in 88 and they payed dearly.
put an * by there name to.

[farmerfan]

Yawn to ff. Come talk to us when you have 5 or even 6 titles.


thats weak. Tell me one time where I have ever doubted or questioned the Judson mystique? I am just questioning the validity of one title and obviously it has hit a nerve with you guys, shows yall know it is a tainted championship but one yall claim.
If you want to bring up come talk when we have 5-6 titles, why dont I remind you of 58-34.

[TexasRed6x]

thats weak. Tell me one time where I have ever doubted or questioned the Judson mystique? I am just questioning the validity of one title and obviously it has hit a nerve with you guys, shows yall know it is a tainted championship but one yall claim.
If you want to bring up come talk when we have 5-6 titles, why dont I remind you of 58-34.


Farmer this is getting pointless, get over it already that happened 17 years ago again you and I cannot change even if you wanted to. MOVE ON

[nate]

Good point. Katy is just a guilty as carter was in 88 and they payed dearly.

Are you serious?

[farmerfan]

Farmer this is getting pointless, get over it already that happened 17 years ago again you and I cannot change even if you wanted to. MOVE ON

hey i'll move on when you do. as long as you all keep posting, ill keep responding. next time tell lonny that what happend 17 years ago is pointless. he is the one who in two different threads aluded to 1988.

[farmerfan]

Good point. Katy is just a guilty as carter was in 88 and they payed dearly.
put an * by there name to.

Katy turned themselves in and did not keep playing.