Sherman on hot seat

[noods]

Obviously it is his first season, and you have to give the guy a couple of years to recruit his style of players and whatnot, but this season has gone horribly, and if next season doesn't go a lot better, there will be some aggs calling for his head. So how good does Sherman have to do next year to keep people happy. And if he has another poor season, how long before he is on the hot seat?

[yankee]

No.

[slorch]

even we aggie rivals( are we?) recognize Sherman's implementation of his program as a work-in-progress.

The ags are very young.
They do have some talent.
It is their first year to learn this system.

The guy has to have some kind of chance to turn the ship around. it's a big ship, and it takes time.

[caesarscott]

Please keep The Shermanator,

signed everybody A&M plays

[lonny23]

even we aggie rivals( are we?) recognize Sherman's implementation of his program as a work-in-progress.

The ags are very young.
They do have some talent.
It is their first year to learn this system.

The guy has to have some kind of chance to turn the ship around. it's a big ship, and it takes time.I don't know how good of a system Sherman has, but he's smart enough to let a talented QB play and try to make plays. It will get somewhat better. The Ags problem is they might be behind Tech in recruiting from here on out and they've been losing from ahead up until now.

[Dawg Fan]

Please keep The Shermanator,

signed everybody A&M plays

and we hear from another short bus rider:rolleyes:

[realREAGANrattler]

new system. injuries. not his players. stacked big 12 south. dont be dumb.

[Aggies2009]

I'm giving him at least 4 or 5 years. I'd have given Fran longer too if he hadn't made so many stupid decisions and said and done so many stupid things. Sherman is a great coach but is still in the professional mindset. Losses are MUCH more damaging in college football than in the NFL. And as it's been said, he's got young players, especially on the offensive line. And a few injuries have hurt. Plus, he's got just about NO speed on the defensive side of the ball with the exception of a few players like Trent Hunter. I hear he's recruiting mad speed which will be great. Not as much size, but he can develop size and strength.

[noods]

I think that the aggs will turn it around in the next 2 seasons or so. A good portion of our talent (JJ, Tannehill, Fuller, Hunter, Freidricks, Gray) are Freshman and sophomores. Like Lonny said though, they are used to recruiting from ahead of tech and other texas schools, but that could change after this season...

[agmc27]

He's not on the hot seat. They have showed siginificant improvement throughout the year and that will most definitely run over into next year too. However the W-L will have to be much better....probably 8 or 9 wins including a win over either OU, Tech, or Texas. If not, he will probably be on the hot seat.

[jrock210]

A&M has been improving from week to week.....that is my opinion but the thing is...





at least the Ags aren't Notre Dame.

[noods]

A&M has been improving from week to week.....that is my opinion but the thing is...





at least the Ags aren't Notre Dame.


amen to that!

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Essentially, Sherman has the same players FranCHOKEY had last year. 18 of the starters (heading into the 2008 season) were/are Jr's and Sr's. He had Lane (who even at 300 lbs could still have been used to score goalline tds), Goodson (who looks like wasted pure talent), McGee/JJ, WR-Brown, DT-Heard, DE-Bennett, LB-Miller, DE-Obiozor and 4 DB's that started last year. Plus, the surprise play of Trent Hunter, who is easily their best defensive player.. and a sure 1st Rounder in 2 more years. A&M scored 44 tds, last season, with a crazy Shotgun Option attack led by a pocket-passing QB. This year, in a Pro-Typical system, the Aggies have scored 33 tds, with 2 games remaining... one versus #4 Texas and the other @ Baylor. There's a good chance A&M could lose both games, thus going 4-8. At least FranCHOKEY went 7-5, during the regular season, last year. (Hell, FranCHOKEY had winning records the last 3 years at A&M.) If Sherman goes 4-8 with maybe even MORE talent, how would he not be on the hot seat?? I don't get it... you hire a guy to come in and produce less than what Denny was producing??

One thing is for certain... in all of his notorious faults, FranCHOKEY likely wouldn't have lost to (4-5) Arkansas State! Hell, FranCHOKEY almost/should've beat Penn State in their Bowl game + he beat Fresno State and Oklahoma State.

Oh yes... Sherman is DEFINITELY on the hot seat and he should be. No one should struggle the way Sherman has to implement a system, with the kind of Texas talent he has. You definitely shouldn't be blown out 66-28 by anyone. Then again folks.. lets be honest, he's produced some good results for a'many... NFL TE's, hell I said that when A&M hired him. But, he's always been boring and conservative. In re-thinking, Sherman shouldn't be on the hotseat, because Sherman shouldn't have been hired in the first place. JMO!

[TheDarkSide15]

Essentially, Sherman has the same players FranCHOKEY had last year. 18 of the starters (heading into the 2008 season) were/are Jr's and Sr's. He had Lane (who even at 300 lbs could still have been used to score goalline tds), Goodson (who looks like wasted pure talent), McGee/JJ, WR-Brown, DT-Heard, DE-Bennett, LB-Miller, DE-Obiozor and 4 DB's that started last year. Plus, the surprise play of Trent Hunter, who is easily their best defensive player.. and a sure 1st Rounder in 2 more years. A&M scored 44 tds, last season, with a crazy Shotgun Option attack led by a pocket-passing QB. This year, in a Pro-Typical system, the Aggies have scored 33 tds, with 2 games remaining... one versus #4 Texas and the other @ Baylor. There's a good chance A&M could lose both games, thus going 4-8. At least FranCHOKEY went 7-5, during the regular season, last year. (Hell, FranCHOKEY had winning records the last 3 years at A&M.) If Sherman goes 4-8 with maybe even MORE talent, how would he not be on the hot seat?? I don't get it... you hire a guy to come in and produce less than what Denny was producing??

One thing is for certain... in all of his notorious faults, FranCHOKEY likely wouldn't have lost to (4-5) Arkansas State! Hell, FranCHOKEY almost/should've beat Penn State in their Bowl game + he beat Fresno State and Oklahoma State.

Oh yes... Sherman is DEFINITELY on the hot seat and he should be. No one should struggle the way Sherman has to implement a system, with the kind of Texas talent he has. You definitely shouldn't be blown out 66-28 by anyone. Then again folks.. lets be honest, he's produced some good results for a'many... NFL TE's, hell I said that when A&M hired him. But, he's always been boring and conservative. In re-thinking, Sherman shouldn't be on the hotseat, because Sherman shouldn't have been hired in the first place. JMO!

I didnt like this hire either... but they really seem to be improving (if you dont count last week... and I assume we are not)

I like the fact that we pass the ball more than 12 times a game... we have some banged up players and a LOT of young talent on the field... things will get better... God I hope they dont get worse.

[Firebird]

Essentially, Sherman has the same players FranCHOKEY had last year. 18 of the starters (heading into the 2008 season) were/are Jr's and Sr's. He had Lane (who even at 300 lbs could still have been used to score goalline tds), Goodson (who looks like wasted pure talent), McGee/JJ, WR-Brown, DT-Heard, DE-Bennett, LB-Miller, DE-Obiozor and 4 DB's that started last year. Plus, the surprise play of Trent Hunter, who is easily their best defensive player.. and a sure 1st Rounder in 2 more years. A&M scored 44 tds, last season, with a crazy Shotgun Option attack led by a pocket-passing QB. This year, in a Pro-Typical system, the Aggies have scored 33 tds, with 2 games remaining... one versus #4 Texas and the other @ Baylor. There's a good chance A&M could lose both games, thus going 4-8. At least FranCHOKEY went 7-5, during the regular season, last year. (Hell, FranCHOKEY had winning records the last 3 years at A&M.) If Sherman goes 4-8 with maybe even MORE talent, how would he not be on the hot seat?? I don't get it... you hire a guy to come in and produce less than what Denny was producing??

One thing is for certain... in all of his notorious faults, FranCHOKEY likely wouldn't have lost to (4-5) Arkansas State! Hell, FranCHOKEY almost/should've beat Penn State in their Bowl game + he beat Fresno State and Oklahoma State.

Oh yes... Sherman is DEFINITELY on the hot seat and he should be. No one should struggle the way Sherman has to implement a system, with the kind of Texas talent he has. You definitely shouldn't be blown out 66-28 by anyone. Then again folks.. lets be honest, he's produced some good results for a'many... NFL TE's, hell I said that when A&M hired him. But, he's always been boring and conservative. In re-thinking, Sherman shouldn't be on the hotseat, because Sherman shouldn't have been hired in the first place. JMO!


1. Heard/Bennett--Both have had discipline/grade problems and have not started or played in a lot of games. In fact a true fish is ahead of Heard on the depth chart.

2. Goodson/McGee-- Battled injuries all year and DNP/Could not play in several games.

3. J. Lane-- Back, but fatter than ever.

4. Pierre Brown-- Couldn't even beat out a converted fish QB and true fish WR on the depth chart. Hands of stone.

5. 4 DBs that started but couldn't play last year. So why should they be able to play now.

6. No mention at all of the offensive line, which lost nearly every starter, also bitten by injuries to Lee Grimes, probably the most talented player.

Good unbiased look there, TGO.:rolleyes: Key word is "heading into the 2008 season." You are right that Fran likely would have meant a win against Arkie State. Other than that, he loses every game the Ags have lost this year. Plus, we KNOW he keeps losing them next year.

[TheDarkSide15]

Heard is good for one thing and one thing only...

Hurting Colt McCoy... Sherman is just resting him until the TU game... when Cart makes his return

[ThEgReAtOnE]

1. Heard/Bennett--Both have had discipline/grade problems and have not started or played in a lot of games. In fact a true fish is ahead of Heard on the depth chart.

2. Goodson/McGee-- Battled injuries all year and DNP/Could not play in several games.

3. J. Lane-- Back, but fatter than ever.

4. Pierre Brown-- Couldn't even beat out a converted fish QB and true fish WR on the depth chart. Hands of stone.

5. 4 DBs that started but couldn't play last year. So why should they be able to play now.

6. No mention at all of the offensive line, which lost nearly every starter, also bitten by injuries to Lee Grimes, probably the most talented player.

Good unbiased look there, TGO.:rolleyes: Key word is "heading into the 2008 season." You are right that Fran likely would have meant a win against Arkie State. Other than that, he loses every game the Ags have lost this year. Plus, we KNOW he keeps losing them next year.

Sure, and you just gave an obviously unbiased breakdown?? Hey, I hope Sherman does the trick, but I wouldn't count on it. I appreciate the fact that he had, at least, dog sense enough to know Jerrod gave him a much better option at QB. I also like how he's used the freshmen, this year. Outside of that, we'll see what he puts together.

[Firebird]

Sure, and you just gave an obviously unbiased breakdown?? Hey, I hope Sherman does the trick, but I wouldn't count on it. I appreciate the fact that he had, at least, dog sense enough to know Jerrod gave him a much better option at QB. I also like how he's used the freshmen, this year. Outside of that, we'll see what he puts together.


Question:

In your first post criticizing Sherman, you listed McGee as a returning starter and one of the reasons the Aggies should have been better than they are.

Now you say Sherman made the right call in sitting him and playing JJ.

Can't be both, man.

[TheDarkSide15]

Question:

In your first post criticizing Sherman, you listed McGee as a returning starter and one of the reasons the Aggies should have been better than they are.

Now you say Sherman made the right call in sitting him and playing JJ.

Can't be both, man.

he probably means in the long run its better to start JJ... but I was all for McGee finishing what he started

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Question:

In your first post criticizing Sherman, you listed McGee as a returning starter and one of the reasons the Aggies should have been better than they are.

Now you say Sherman made the right call in sitting him and playing JJ.

Can't be both, man.

Never said both. Actually, I meant the fact the he had 2 QB's that were on the right side of being adequate (potential greatness in JJ), gave him a good chance for success in 2008. I went further to say JJ was clearly the best option of the 2. I've felt that since watching JJ play here in the Houston area, at Humble HS.

You can beat this thread with as much Aggie-bravado as you want but the simple fact is I just don't think Aggie loses to Arkansas State (and perhaps even K-State) if FranCHOKEY is the HC.... and THAT says a lot!

[ThEgReAtOnE]

he probably means in the long run its better to start JJ... but I was all for McGee finishing what he started

Glad you were able to decipher the obvious. :D

No offense, but I always thought JJ had better potential than McGee... and that they should've been more of a dual package, last year.

[TheDarkSide15]

Never said both. Actually, I meant the fact the he had 2 QB's that were on the right side of being adequate (potential greatness in JJ), gave him a good chance for success in 2008. I went further to say JJ was clearly the best option of the 2. I've felt that since watching JJ play here in the Houston area, at Humble HS.

You can beat this thread with as much Aggie-bravado as you want but the simple fact is I just don't think Aggie loses to Arkansas State (and perhaps even K-State) if FranCHOKEY is the HC.... and THAT says a lot!

No, they probably dont... the transition of coaches and a new system is killing us... plus the lack of an o-line and any speed on D.

But with Sherman we may be a top 25 team next year... Fran just made stupid mistake after stupid mistake.

[HUM398]

I wouldn't be to hard on a guy that was left with absolute CRAP on the Offensive and Defensive lines. Their was absolutely nothing to build from there....

The offensive line is an essential assist to ANY offense save perhaps the A-11... You would see Jerrod have far better numbers if he was behind a Tech, Texas, or OU type line. It opens up what he can do...like run if their is nothing there....But his offensive line pretty much just stops and turns around and watches what he is going to do as the defense chases him around.

The defensive line gets absolutely no pressure....none....nada...zip...they suck.

The Ags will get tons better if they fix the fronts.

[TheDarkSide15]

indeed...

The OU game was a prime example... I promise if you look at the game and you see when Johnson has time to set up and throw (more than 3 seconds) he is dead on and moves the ball at will...

the other 90% of the game he was being rushed either back or left and right... and that was the difference in the ball game

[GoOwls]

I don't claim to know squat about aggy except that I want UT to beat them within and inch of their lives every year.....other than that, I usually cheer for them since they are a Texas team.

I have two aggy grads on my business route....both are in their 60's, both contribute a good deal of money, both had kids graduate from there, both attend every home game and some away games, I pick on both of them unmercifully.......;) :D

Both guys said to me this week that they are actively campaigning for The Shermanator to get canned......just reporting what I hear.

[noods]

No, they probably dont... the transition of coaches and a new system is killing us... plus the lack of an o-line and any speed on D.

But with Sherman we may be a top 25 team next year... Fran just made stupid mistake after stupid mistake.

that may be a little over zealous, but I do think we will improve greatly. The lack of speed on D is KILLING us. We get no penetration from the Dline, and as a result qb's are having all day to throw. we also make every running back we play look like a heisman trophy candidate because our linebackers are just not filling the huge holes that the other O-line is opening up. Sherman needs to recruit about 70% defensive guys this year... the other 30% needs to go into our Oline, which is terrible. JJ has no time to throw, and our run game sucks too, Goodson and Gray have nowhere to run!

[TheDarkSide15]

that may be a little over zealous, but I do think we will improve greatly. The lack of speed on D is KILLING us. We get no penetration from the Dline, and as a result qb's are having all day to throw. we also make every running back we play look like a heisman trophy candidate because our linebackers are just not filling the huge holes that the other O-line is opening up. Sherman needs to recruit about 70% defensive guys this year... the other 30% needs to go into our Oline, which is terrible. JJ has no time to throw, and our run game sucks too, Goodson and Gray have nowhere to run!

by top 25... I mean 25 at some point in the year...

[TheDarkSide15]

I don't claim to know squat about aggy except that I want UT to beat them within and inch of their lives every year.....other than that, I usually cheer for them since they are a Texas team.

I have two aggy grads on my business route....both are in their 60's, both contribute a good deal of money, both had kids graduate from there, both attend every home game and some away games, I pick on both of them unmercifully.......;) :D

Both guys said to me this week that they are actively campaigning for The Shermanator to get canned......just reporting what I hear.

they probably both want Matlock to come back on the air too....

the only thing firing another coach would do: would set us back another year, cause us to lose recruits and probably switch systems again.... firing any coach not named Norv Turner or Wade Phillips after one year is stupid.

[noods]

they probably both want Matlock to come back on the air too....

the only thing firing another coach would do: would set us back another year, cause us to lose recruits and probably switch systems again.... firing any coach not named Norv Turner or Wade Phillips after one year is stupid.

agreed, he's not going anywhere for at least another two seasons I would guess. A&M will probably finish around .500, maybe a little better next season and people still wont be happy, but the season after most of our talent will be developed, and hopefully we will have brought in some good recruits by then. Only problem with that is that its hard to bring in top talent when you are a .500 team.

[Dawg Fan]

I wouldn't be to hard on a guy that was left with absolute CRAP on the Offensive and Defensive lines. Their was absolutely nothing to build from there....

The offensive line is an essential assist to ANY offense save perhaps the A-11... You would see Jerrod have far better numbers if he was behind a Tech, Texas, or OU type line. It opens up what he can do...like run if their is nothing there....But his offensive line pretty much just stops and turns around and watches what he is going to do as the defense chases him around.

The defensive line gets absolutely no pressure....none....nada...zip...they suck.

The Ags will get tons better if they fix the fronts.

HUM, you are scaring me, I am agreeing with you way too much lately;)

Actually about the only thing we disagree about is usually college football:Music