How do You Beat SLC?

[PowerPack'd]

Okay...I will go ahead and start a thread that covers the topic that everyone wants to know. Just how do you beat SLC. And don't say put the Dallas Cowboys or the Texas Longhorns on the other side! Let's talk X's and O's. How did Katy do it in 2003 and what will it take for it to happen again?

This idea came to me from the poll about "Will Abilene upset SLC?" I want to visualize what it takes to beat SLC and then see if anybody has it.

[Planowildcats160]

there is only one way to beat SLC....and its on the offensive side. You have to have a dominant run based, clock control offense, like trinity or plano. SLC's offense is simply too good to beat at thier own game. Any other spread offense simply can't keep up with them, no matter how good they are. An offense has to have consistant long drives and take time off the clock, and HAS to come away with touchdowns. Cannot turn over the ball. The offense would have to play pratically mistake free football. On the defensive side you would have to force SLC to make mistakes. They will score on you, no team can stop that every time. But the defense would have to limit SLC to scoring every other drive, and keep them out of the endzone as much as possible. If the defense could hold SLC to 35 points, the offense would have a shot.
It would be a very close game, but thats the only way a team would have a shot against them-and they would have to have perfect execution. You simply can't beat SLC at thier own game.

[zippy]

Many teams have come close, just look at what they did, and do it a little better. How do they get beat this year? Have them play SV. If SLC happen to beat them, it would be the first time in history that SV has been beat twice, back to back, by the same team. And the first time that SV has lost to a team 3 times in a row in any amount of years. (this is of course since Hill has been there)


Okay...I will go ahead and start a thread that covers the topic that everyone wants to know. Just how do you beat SLC. And don't say put the Dallas Cowboys or the Texas Longhorns on the other side! Let's talk X's and O's. How did Katy do it in 2003 and what will it take for it to happen again?

This idea came to me from the poll about "Will Abilene upset SLC?" I want to visualize what it takes to beat SLC and then see if anybody has it.

[drgnbkr]

Okay...I will go ahead and start a thread that covers the topic that everyone wants to know. Just how do you beat SLC. And don't say put the Dallas Cowboys or the Texas Longhorns on the other side! Let's talk X's and O's. How did Katy do it in 2003 and what will it take for it to happen again?

This idea came to me from the poll about "Will Abilene upset SLC?" I want to visualize what it takes to beat SLC and then see if anybody has it.

In 03, I said all year that it would take a team who could possess the ball & keep it out of the Dragons hands..Katy was able to do that & won. Coach Dodge said every time he looked up & we were getting the ball there were only 2-3 minutes left in the quarter. As for how to stop the Dragons this year, it's a different solution....but if I told you I'd have to kill you!.... :D (Hint..it has to do with our defense...)

[dragonfootballfan]

I think that the key is special teams. In all of the close games the Dragons had last year, Carroll made key errors on special teams. Against Lufkin and Smithson Valley, Carroll could not punt and against Smithson Valley they had a punt blocked for a touchdown. Against Abilene last season they had an onside kick recovered against them. Against Katy in 2003 there was a missed field goal that spelled doom for the Dragons. Carroll has defied every real stat that was supposed to tell the game. The consistently lose the time of possesion battle and the turnover battle yet continue to win.

[LoneStarProud]

Katy beat SLC by dominating the clock. Methodical offensive drives that kept the SLC offense to a minimume time on the field. The Katy defense was just as instrumental coming up with big plays in the clutch. This years team is a little different. While it is a must to keep the "O" off the field you must capitalize your offensive opportunites. That will be difficult with the strength of the SLC deffence this year. The only way I see somebody beating them is to make the most of mistakes if any are made and chew up the clock for a quick game. JMHO.

[Redneckn]

Close all the Starbucks around town the day before? Shut down the fancy eat'n joints. Starve them out kind of thing...



No, I think a good clock control O would be able to take them down. But with that, there would have to be a solid enough D to make SLC work for every single yard gained. If a D was beating them up on the line every play, every play, every play, and then SLC punts. The SLC D gets in and is in for a while, then gives up a score. I think it would be close no matter who it was they (SLC) were playing.
I really feel like the clock control thing would be the killer for SLC.

[Favpack]

I certainly agree with DFF's take on the kicking game - SLC's was very mediocre last year (all around) - even though oddly enough they won state on the last second fg.

Here's another take - pass rush. The times Lufkin has made SLC look very ordinary is when they got strong pressure on the qb. Granted, ball control is a key - but I still say qb pressure, not sacks per say, just harassing pressure - disrupts SLC's rythm in all offensive phases.

[dragonfootballfan]

controlling the clock does not matter. Carroll consistently loses the time of possesion stat. What difference is if you limit Carroll to 6 possesions but 42 points.

[Redneckn]

controlling the clock does not matter. Carroll consistently loses the time of possesion stat. What difference is if you limit Carroll to 6 possesions but 42 points.

That would be the part about having a strong D.

Either clock control and a strong D.

Or an O that can score quickly and a mediocre D.

[chickenheart]

Close all the Starbucks around town the day before? Shut down the fancy eat'n joints. Starve them out kind of thing...



No, I think a good clock control O would be able to take them down. But with that, there would have to be a solid enough D to make SLC work for every single yard gained. If a D was beating them up on the line every play, every play, every play, and then SLC punts. The SLC D gets in and is in for a while, then gives up a score. I think it would be close no matter who it was they (SLC) were playing.
I really feel like the clock control thing would be the killer for SLC.

I would have say that a team would need to keep SLC's D on the field and wear them down because, in all honesty, they get it done on both sides of the ball continuously. If you were to keep the D on the field, wear them down, and then beat them in the fourth quarter by running it down there throats. That is what Plano did to SGP.

[sendero]

I think you look at the pros and college teams that beat run & shoot type stuff or spreads. The NY Giants did it to the Bills by ball control running the ball keep the clock moving.

I believe it was Notre Dame vs. Florida in the Sugar Bowl one year that was only rushing two people then using nine cover men.

[zippy]

I agree that special teams plays a big part, but its not due to errors on SLC when they have a punt blocked, its more that the other team just has better special teams. As for time of possesion, yea they might lose that, but when they face a good team, it WILL make a difference. And they will face some soon.


I think that the key is special teams. In all of the close games the Dragons had last year, Carroll made key errors on special teams. Against Lufkin and Smithson Valley, Carroll could not punt and against Smithson Valley they had a punt blocked for a touchdown. Against Abilene last season they had an onside kick recovered against them. Against Katy in 2003 there was a missed field goal that spelled doom for the Dragons. Carroll has defied every real stat that was supposed to tell the game. The consistently lose the time of possesion battle and the turnover battle yet continue to win.

[TheRowdyRanger]

I think that most of the important points have been stated. Have a balanced offense that can both rush and pass consistantly, and take long steady drives. Keep the SLC offense off the field as much as possible. Capitolize on speacial team plays. And along with putting pressure on the Qb, the DB's need to put tight pressure on all the recievers, as SLC could have as many as 5 players in a play to pass to. The Db's need to line up on the line, even with the recievers, and make sure everyone is covered. Other than that, don't make any mistakes and play a solid game of football.

[zippy]

bump and run is key if the secondary has any speed. You cant play much zone against them. As soon as they face a solid secondary that can play good bump and run, they will have trouble with the pass, and so far their running game is nothing like the past.


I think that most of the important points have been stated. Have a balanced offense that can both rush and pass consistantly, and take long steady drives. Keep the SLC offense off the field as much as possible. Capitolize on speacial team plays. And along with putting pressure on the Qb, the DB's need to put tight pressure on all the recievers, as SLC could have as many as 5 players in a play to pass to. The Db's need to line up on the line, even with the recievers, and make sure everyone is covered. Other than that, don't make any mistakes and play a solid game of football.

[garlandowl08]

Pray



a lot

[rellufnalla]

You continue averaging 41 points a game on offense and only allowing 9 points.

[TIGER07]

I think that the key is special teams. In all of the close games the Dragons had last year, Carroll made key errors on special teams. Against Lufkin and Smithson Valley, Carroll could not punt and against Smithson Valley they had a punt blocked for a touchdown. Against Abilene last season they had an onside kick recovered against them. Against Katy in 2003 there was a missed field goal that spelled doom for the Dragons. Carroll has defied every real stat that was supposed to tell the game. The consistently lose the time of possesion battle and the turnover battle yet continue to win.


There was also the safety, the interception, and the ability to capitalize on mistakes the our D made them do. Please stop only talking about the missed field goal. The Tigers won that game, and not only because of a missed field goal. There was also the absolutely wonderful touchdown by our WR. Several rushing yards especially when needed. The team work that Katy showed on the field, was just as amazing as the team work by SLC.

Ball control, fewer mistakes, and the heart to do it. Any team can win or loose on any given day.

[Red Raiders]

All I want to say that Southlake Carroll is freaking dang good.

[dragonsdaddy]

one of the keys is something fewer coaches are doing these days- stacking the defense. slc drafts to keep the o with the best athletes, the team that eventually stops them will be a defensive oriented team that gets better dback coaching from the 7th grade on than is available in hs today. slc takes the best skill people and starts training them from day one. these kids will grow into the cb and safety roles early on. not when tyhey don't pan out as offensive skill players. what i'm suggesting is that it will take several years for the defense to catch up with the spread run right. taint happening this year. the offense for the team that beats slc will be very good, controlling and scoring when inside the red zone. lufkin certainly has the defense to do what i suggest, and i am worried that this may be their year. kt and sv could also cause trouble, as could abilene and plano. i think the winner of the slc lp game will take it all. the short version means slc again.

[dragonfootballfan]

I agree that special teams plays a big part, but its not due to errors on SLC when they have a punt blocked, its more that the other team just has better special teams. As for time of possesion, yea they might lose that, but when they face a good team, it WILL make a difference. And they will face some soon.
how many good teams has Carroll played over the last 60 games. How many times did they win the time of possesion? They have only lost one game during that time. There is no more overrated stat in all of football than time of possesion.

[dragonfootballfan]

There was also the safety, the interception, and the ability to capitalize on mistakes the our D made them do. Please stop only talking about the missed field goal. The Tigers won that game, and not only because of a missed field goal. There was also the absolutely wonderful touchdown by our WR. Several rushing yards especially when needed. The team work that Katy showed on the field, was just as amazing as the team work by SLC.

Ball control, fewer mistakes, and the heart to do it. Any team can win or loose on any given day.
I am not trying to take anything away from Katy. All that I am saying over the past couple of years, all of the close games that Carroll has had included some sort of special teams lapse.

[Dragonfan2004]

I think that most of the important points have been stated. Have a balanced offense that can both rush and pass consistantly, and take long steady drives. Keep the SLC offense off the field as much as possible. Capitolize on speacial team plays. And along with putting pressure on the Qb, the DB's need to put tight pressure on all the recievers, as SLC could have as many as 5 players in a play to pass to. The Db's need to line up on the line, even with the recievers, and make sure everyone is covered. Other than that, don't make any mistakes and play a solid game of football.

I agree with you that this is what is needed to beat SLC, but..... You are asking alot out of a highschool team to do ALL these things to perfection for 60 straight minutes and then barely pull out a win. It can be done, but not easily. A bunch of teams have tried in 5A.......only one has succeeded! I think you have a better chance with SLC beating themselves. Even SLC is not perfect and has bad games and those are the games when you have to be 100% to win.

[dragonsdaddy]

top is the single most irrelevant stat in todays football. both et and slc are freq top losers due to mtheir scoring propensities.

[WILDCAT27]

with a baseball bat in their sleep ;) haha
no... i say you need to shut down their passing game and make em run the ball, and dont give their D any turnovers.

[gldneagles]

fast DE's that crash every play.

[TexasRed6x]

Just hope and pray that decide not to play, or have something better to do that day. You can talk about it all day and come up with a great game plan and still lose by 35.

[drgnbkr]

I certainly agree with DFF's take on the kicking game - SLC's was very mediocre last year (all around) - even though oddly enough they won state on the last second fg.

Here's another take - pass rush. The times Lufkin has made SLC look very ordinary is when they got strong pressure on the qb. Granted, ball control is a key - but I still say qb pressure, not sacks per say, just harassing pressure - disrupts SLC's rythm in all offensive phases.

Fav, Fav, Fav...I know you know the difference between punting & placekicking..we sucked at one and excelled at the other last year. Ortega is one of the top 5 kickers in the state, and was last year. As far as pressure on the passer..bring it..it just leaves less people back in coverage...

[Redneckn]

If Abilene dont do it this weekend, SLC won't lose until they play a private school from out of state or a team like Sprindale.


IF SLC were to play some smaller school that nobody really knows a lot about over here.. One that puts the ball in the air over 70% of the time. One with a QB that operates out of the shotgun..And have to play them on the 3rd or 4th game of the year, that would be the team to take them.

[drgnbkr]

If Abilene dont do it this weekend, SLC won't lose until they play a private school from out of state or a team like Sprindale.


IF SLC were to play some smaller school that nobody really knows a lot about over here.. One that puts the ball in the air over 70% of the time. One with a QB that operates out of the shotgun..And have to play them on the 3rd or 4th game of the year, that would be the team to take them.

Bring it with that spread team...our D sees the best every day...beat us with a grinding run team maybe, but I don't think a spread team would have a chance..

[drgnbkr]

with a baseball bat in their sleep ;) haha
no... i say you need to shut down their passing game and make em run the ball, and dont give their D any turnovers.

Shut down the passing game? I don't think so..you better be ready to outscore the Dragons...that is more likely than shutting the pass down...

[drgnbkr]

top is the single most irrelevant stat in todays football. both et and slc are freq top losers due to mtheir scoring propensities.

Have you been hunting again?

[zippy]

Well, how many games has SV won in the past 60? How many of those were won due to time of possesion (ball control) against a better team? OK then.

how many good teams has Carroll played over the last 60 games. How many times did they win the time of possesion? They have only lost one game during that time. There is no more overrated stat in all of football than time of possesion.

[Shoot2thrill]

how many good teams has Carroll played over the last 60 games. How many times did they win the time of possesion? They have only lost one game during that time. There is no more overrated stat in all of football than time of possesion.

Boy I disagree with you on that one dff. While historically that may not have any affect on the outcome of SLC games, overall I think the team with the TOP advantage will be the winner. SLC just scores too quickly to win the TOP in most games but the scoreboard is the only place that matters anyway. ;)

[dragonfootballfan]

Well, how many games has SV won in the past 60? How many of those were won due to time of possesion (ball control) against a better team? OK then.
It seems to me that most people think that as long as you win the TOP against Carroll you will beat them. So when Smithson Valley beats someone and wins the time of possesion they are a worse team and was lucky to come out with a win? I am not sure I understand what you are saying with that one, but it sure helps my argument about them being number 10 in division 2.

[zippy]

You and me both. I have seen this as a focus of a gameplan work too much to agree with him. If you have a good defense, it plays even a bigger role in winning games. Take a look at SV's gameplan from the first time they played SLC (with a better team) compared to last year (with a weaker team), and tell me T.O.P. does not become a factor.

Boy I disagree with you on that one dff. While historically that may not have any affect on the outcome of SLC games, overall I think the team with the TOP advantage will be the winner. SLC just scores too quickly to win the TOP in most games but the scoreboard is the only place that matters anyway. ;)

[zippy]

You have no arguement about them being #10. It is an opinion, that is wrong, but I will let them prove that. I also dont think you know very much about football the more and more I see your posts. But that is just an opinion as well. Have you ever considered being an attorney? You have a way with putting words into people mouth, and using "so called facts", which are really just opinions, to prove a point. Oh did I mention you like to argue?

It seems to me that most people think that as long as you win the TOP against Carroll you will beat them. So when Smithson Valley beats someone and wins the time of possesion they are a worse team and was lucky to come out with a win? I am not sure I understand what you are saying with that one, but it sure helps my argument about them being number 10 in division 2.

[dragonfootballfan]

You and me both. I have seen this as a focus of a gameplan work too much to agree with him. If you have a good defense, it plays even a bigger role in winning games. Take a look at SV's gameplan from the first time they played SLC (with a better team) compared to last year (with a weaker team), and tell me T.O.P. does not become a factor.
What was the final outcome of both games?

[dragonfootballfan]

You have no arguement about them being #10. It is an opinion, that is wrong, but I will let them prove that. I also dont think you know very much about football the more and more I see your posts. But that is just an opinion as well. Have you ever considered being an attorney? You have a way with putting words into people mouth, and using "so called facts", which are really just opinions, to prove a point. Oh did I mention you like to argue?
This is what you said
Well, how many games has SV won in the past 60? How many of those were won due to time of possesion (ball control) against a better team? OK then.
You are saying that Smithson Valley beats teams that are better than them when they win the time of possesion battle. When one team beats another team that is better than them, that is considered an upset. I find it hard to believe that Smithson Valley fans don't think that their team should win the games that they play, but if that is the way that they think, then I will agree that they should not be favored to win games against good opponents.

[dragonsdaddy]

Have you been hunting again?
yeah, i got a 4 day hunt with some college buddies. no meat changed hands, but we had a great time with some very memorable events occurring.

[PowerPack'd]

You continue averaging 41 points a game on offense and only allowing 9 points.
Easy to do in our district. Not as easy to do in the playoffs.

[dragonsdaddy]

how about the immortal words of the optimist- wait til next year. truer words may have never been spoken.

[PowerPack'd]

top is the single most irrelevant stat in todays football. both et and slc are freq top losers due to mtheir scoring propensities.

Lufkin has been in that same position many times this year as well. In one district game we scored 3 touchdowns on our first eight plays from scrimmage. :eek:

[dragonfootballfan]

how about the immortal words of the optimist- wait til next year. truer words may have never been spoken.
and they better take advantage of next year too, because the year after that Carroll will be loaded again. Next year's team will probably be loaded with juniors

[rellufnalla]

If you stop and think about it, you can see that we are all very fortunate to be able to enjoy this thread. Our kids are in great programs and have done well. Few are that fortunate.

My high school football team holds the national record for most consecutive losses - over 75.

[PowerPack'd]

If you stop and think about it, you can see that we are all very fortunate to be able to enjoy this thread. Our kids are in great programs and have done well. Few are that fortunate.

My high school football team holds the national record for most consecutive losses - over 75.
You are correct. We all have quality programs that we can be proud of. I just finished starting a new thread about the programs that have won 100+ games in the last 10 years. Lufkin, Katy, Judson, SLC and others made the list. It seems like some programs are able to reload and compete every year.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

1. Spike the gatorade
2. Poison the proxyide
3. Cut the supply of Steriods flowing through NE Tarrant county. :D

[SLCalumni]

the only steroids taken in tarrant county were the ones supplied to chhs. everyone wants a reason to throw carroll under the bus so they keep going back to those accusations

[drgnbkr]

Clint Renfro is the before ... and the before pictures... :D

[SLCalumni]

all i know is that renfro has overcome his childhood obesity to become what he has today... :eek:

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

the only steroids taken in tarrant county were the ones supplied to chhs. everyone wants a reason to throw carroll under the bus so they keep going back to those accusations

That was a joke sort off. You don't think over the last 5 years not one SLC kid has used the juice? Where next door in Grapevine and Collevilly if flowed like milk and Honey? Please!!
The pressure to play and succeed at Southlake Is huge. Kids do the dumbest things even SL kids. Success to succeed, Affluence and access to the juice is a bad combination.

It happened at Plano West and I'm sure at other Collin county schools. Where their is money and access and pressure to be #1 it happens.

[SLCalumni]

there's no pressure to be #1 when you are...once you're on top people can take shots at you but you'll always have the advantage

[drgnbkr]

I think most of that money goes to fast twitch & velocity sports...don't think Coach Dodge would be too tolerant of steroid use...

[SLCalumni]

thats a good point too...the program is too disciplined to worry about enhancers

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

there's no pressure to be #1 when you are...once you're on top people can take shots at you but you'll always have the advantage

Not talking external pressure. I'm talking SLC pressure. My question still is. Do you think not one SLC player ever took steriods over the last 5 years to make him stronger?

[SLCalumni]

no one can say for sure either way, but i can garuntee you that dodge would not tolerate it and that they'd prolly be off the team

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Louisiana's state capitol answers this question, " How do you beat SLC? ".

Baton Rouge

[sendero]

You wait until some new move ins, gather enough votes to push a bond election to build a second high school so more kids can play. (i.e. Judson)

PS- This method might take a few years to accomplish the upset and will require a great deal of patience and frustration waiting on the construction on the new high school. There could be several dragon faithful sabotaging the construction site. :D

[dragonfootballfan]

You wait until some new move ins, gather enough votes to push a bond election to build a second high school so more kids can play. (i.e. Judson)

PS- This method might take a few years to accomplish the upset and will require a great deal of patience and frustration waiting on the construction on the new high school. There could be several dragon faithful sabotaging the construction site. :D
I don't think that would happen either. Southlake is almost all built out and is only 23 square miles. It probably won't ever happen

[dragonfootballfan]

Not talking external pressure. I'm talking SLC pressure. My question still is. Do you think not one SLC player ever took steriods over the last 5 years to make him stronger?
Do you think that over the past 5 years that one person in every single school has taken steroids? I do.

[Fan4Life]

there's no pressure to be #1 when you are...once you're on top people can take shots at you but you'll always have the advantage

no pressure? When your on top the only way you can go is down..........

[pack0808]

How do you beat SLC?? In 2002 Lufkin vs SLC!! You try not to blow a big double digit 4th quarter lead and not let them catch a deflected 4th and long catch of our LB's chest. LOL In 2004 Lufkin made a great come back to tie it 30-30 late in the 4th but SLC was simply the better team. Simple as that!!, throw the time of possesion and all of that out of the door in Lufkin's case. SLC made the plays when it was 30 to 30 in both games with 2 minutes left. That is what great teams do!! They make plays when it counts the most. Lufkin has only been a play away from beating them the 2 times they played them but they could not. You have to credit SLC!!

[bleedgreen]

how do you beat SLC??? real easy---clock control...THEIR clocks of course--LOL...what you do is sneak in their rooms the night before the game and steal their alarm clocks(maybe they will sleep past gametime)....or you could ciphen all of the gas out of the buses they will be traveling on...other than that, i can't help ya.............

[oldathlete]

Have them play the Big Boys.....Division 1 Westfield.

The game would not be close.

[sendero]

I don't think that would happen either. Southlake is almost all built out and is only 23 square miles. It probably won't ever happen

OK then go with Plan C. Hire Todd Dodge away. You will most likely have to wait two years for Riley Dodge to play out this Senior year. :)

[pack0808]

Have them play the Big Boys.....Division 1 Westfield.

The game would not be close.


LOL at big boys!! 90 percent of the so called big boys are in div2 this year!! and I heard the same thing last year when Tyler Lee was about to play Westfield in the finals. Turned out to be mostly hype!! Without a doubt Westfield is one of the best teams in the state but they do not have any right to talk to SLC like that. All pointless because they will not play.

[ktchamp97]

1. DON'T MAKE ANY UNFORCED ERRORS - you can't give SLC anything! You have to play disciplined. If you don't, nothing else you do will matter...you will lose.

2. Be patient and play your game - they are going to make plays...period...don't sweat it. Don't be too quick to get out of your gameplan. Play your tempo, not theirs.

3. Pressure the QB - this is one of the most critical elements and I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it yet. You've got to disrupt the timing of the offense. Sitting back and trying to cover everyone is suicide.

4. Be physical with the WR's - chuck the WR's at the line and hit them hard every time they go to catch the ball...don't allow any YAC. They are going to make plays, but you have to keep them in front of you.

5. Capitalize in the Red Zone - because of Carroll's underrated defense and the explosive nature of their offense, you must score everytime you have the chance.

6. Shorten the game - TOP may be an overrated stat, but the fact is, you have to limit Carroll's posessions...the less chances they have to score the better! Keep the chains moving and play lights out defense.

All of that is far easier said than done and, really, there are only a few teams that can pull it off. Good luck...

[PlanoRep]

Itll come down to who wants it the most! There are many teams capable of beathing SLC. A good example being Grapevine which would have been an upset but they wanted it really bad. Im not sure if SLC has the drive that they still do or if the team is just kind of running itself. Whatever the case may be abilene wants redemption bad and they will do what it takes to get it. And if they dont........then plano will!

[dragonfootballfan]

Itll come down to who wants it the most! There are many teams capable of beathing SLC. A good example being Grapevine which would have been an upset but they wanted it really bad. Im not sure if SLC has the drive that they still do or if the team is just kind of running itself. Whatever the case may be abilene wants redemption bad and they will do what it takes to get it. And if they dont........then plano will!
Ok, its obvious Carroll wants it less than than Plano and Abilene even though there have been closer games in the playoffs against Plano and Abilene than Carrolls game with Grapevine almost a month ago

[Sakatha]

Not talking external pressure. I'm talking SLC pressure. My question still is. Do you think not one SLC player ever took steriods over the last 5 years to make him stronger?

If you think nobody on your team has taken the juice over the past 5 years, you need to have your head examined...

Personally, I've waited for this game for 19 years. Back when Plano cheapshotted it's way to a semi-final win over L.D. Bell. It'll be nice to add you guys to the list of people who talked MAD noise about beating SLC, and then didn't say a word after the 40 pt loss.

~DnM

[PaulinPlano]

Without reading this thread, I would say go back to early this season when Plano East played SLC and look at what they did on the game tape in the first qtr. and do it for 4 qtrs. East got some horrible penalty calls in that game that had 2 touchdowns called back. I am not saying East would have won the game. But it would have been much closer.

The offense was able to move the ball and keep the chains moving. The coaches made all the right calls on defense.

Of course this was early in the season and teams get better as they move through the season.

I want to say East held them to under 10 yards total offense in the first qtr. :eek:

[crunked9]

How to be SLC???

Make them run the ball! Every single play!!! Double two WR's every play! But dont show who before the snap! Play zone with three other DB's! this leaves you four other players on d! You then take the 3 biggest guys you have on your team and put them on the d line. one on the center. and the other two in the gaps between the guard and tackle. you then have your best tackler playin the on linebacker spot and he follows the running back everywhere. so, if they can beat you running the ball every single play, then they can win.

No what to do on offense. All i'll say is MIDDLE OF THE FIELD!

[dragonsdaddy]

Without reading this thread, I would say go back to early this season when Plano East played SLC and look at what they did on the game tape in the first qtr. and do it for 4 qtrs. East got some horrible penalty calls in that game that had 2 touchdowns called back. I am not saying East would have won the game. But it would have been much closer.

The offense was able to move the ball and keep the chains moving. The coaches made all the right calls on defense.

Of course this was early in the season and teams get better as they move through the season.

I want to say East held them to under 10 yards total offense in the first qtr. :eek:
these phantom tds weren't. one was a muffed punt which even a pesh coach knew they couldn't advance. the other only happened when a wr form tackled the db right in front of said coach. the pesh defense played well for a qt, and got no help from one of the worst offenses i've ever witnessed. keeping up that intensity is not easy. will any team be able to? we'll soon see.

[dragonsdaddy]

How to be SLC???

Make them run the ball! Every single play!!! Double two WR's every play! But dont show who before the snap! Play zone with three other DB's! this leaves you four other players on d! You then take the 3 biggest guys you have on your team and put them on the d line. one on the center. and the other two in the gaps between the guard and tackle. you then have your best tackler playin the on linebacker spot and he follows the running back everywhere. so, if they can beat you running the ball every single play, then they can win.

No what to do on offense. All i'll say is MIDDLE OF THE FIELD!
9, i know you've thought about this long and hard, but the problem is getting kids trained up well enough and athletic enough to think like you and yours were taught to. defense takes more coaching than offense as it is reactionary. it might work with some help from slc errors.

[Sakatha]

How to be SLC???

Make them run the ball! Every single play!!! Double two WR's every play! But dont show who before the snap! Play zone with three other DB's! this leaves you four other players on d! You then take the 3 biggest guys you have on your team and put them on the d line. one on the center. and the other two in the gaps between the guard and tackle. you then have your best tackler playin the on linebacker spot and he follows the running back everywhere. so, if they can beat you running the ball every single play, then they can win.

No what to do on offense. All i'll say is MIDDLE OF THE FIELD!

CHHS tried something similar, and allowed 300+ rushing.....

~DnM

[fbjones]

Ask Katy. They know.
1. Ball Control Offense. Not that spread crap.
Throw on first down every once in awhile, but mostly run at em with a back that is big and fast. (like Katy's in 03 or Northshore's in 03)
2. Knock the fire out of the QB and recievers, especially if they throw in the middle.
3. No turnovers when you have the ball. Get one turnover each half from them.
4. Take a few chances on defense. Give em a stunt or blitz to think about.
5. Try to keep SLC's offense off the field as much as possible.

All this is much easier to type than to actually do. Good Luck.

[PaulinPlano]

these phantom tds weren't. one was a muffed punt which even a pesh coach knew they couldn't advance. the other only happened when a wr form tackled the db right in front of said coach. the pesh defense played well for a qt, and got no help from one of the worst offenses i've ever witnessed. keeping up that intensity is not easy. will any team be able to? we'll soon see.

I was sitting right in front of the play and there was no tackle. the WR had his arms up and down on the DB. He was not put on the ground.

The other TD was not a punt but another holding call which I did not see so i could not say one way or the other. I was sitting next to a Coppell fan and he and I agreed that there were many questionable calls that went against East in the first half. Many gave SLC first downs when they needed them.

Again, I am not trying to say East would win that game. SLC would have certainly played differently if is was closer. Though they did get 2 TDs late in the game. Again, the Panther defense was on the field way too long.

And I would have to agree with you on our offense. It did not play well against good defenses all year.

[pack0808]

Ask Katy. They know.
1. Ball Control Offense. Not that spread crap.
Throw on first down every once in awhile, but mostly run at em with a back that is big and fast. (like Katy's in 03 or Northshore's in 03)
2. Knock the fire out of the QB and recievers, especially if they throw in the middle.
3. No turnovers when you have the ball. Get one turnover each half from them.
4. Take a few chances on defense. Give em a stunt or blitz to think about.
5. Try to keep SLC's offense off the field as much as possible.

All this is much easier to type than to actually do. Good Luck.


Lufkin ran that "spread crap" and had great chances in both games and both went down to the very very end. SLC simply made the plays in the final 2 minutes vs Lufkin (in both games) and believe it or not, the pack did not use some scientific gameplan in order to have a shot to win at the end of both of those games. Lufkin just played like they usually play. It came down to making plays at the end of the game and that is all there is to it.

[Solve Et Coagula]

ok this is how you beat SLC. it has nothing to do with what Katty did because that was Coaches fault. not to put sole blame on him but he did not call the game like he should of he was holding back. the way u beat SLC is to try to out work them. which is nearly impossible. SLC never quiets no matter what the score is. Luff did this twice when they played SLC they put it all on the line till the very last play of they game. it just so happened that SLC put out a little more than they did. so if a team can honestly say they can work harder than SLC then step up and prove it cuz that’s the only way to win.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

If you think nobody on your team has taken the juice over the past 5 years, you need to have your head examined...

Personally, I've waited for this game for 19 years. Back when Plano cheapshotted it's way to a semi-final win over L.D. Bell. It'll be nice to add you guys to the list of people who talked MAD noise about beating SLC, and then didn't say a word after the 40 pt loss.

Cheap shots my ***. I played on that team. It was a hard fought win against a good LD BELL team. I would love to sit down and watch the game on video anyday.

You need to get over the loss. Life moves on. If plano and slc win don't expect a 40 point blow out. You probably thought that in 86. Look what happend. :D
~DnM

Back to your steriods question. Sure It happens at every suburban school. The more it comes out in the public the better it is in stopping kids from using.

[drgnbkr]

Without reading this thread, I would say go back to early this season when Plano East played SLC and look at what they did on the game tape in the first qtr. and do it for 4 qtrs. East got some horrible penalty calls in that game that had 2 touchdowns called back. I am not saying East would have won the game. But it would have been much closer.

The offense was able to move the ball and keep the chains moving. The coaches made all the right calls on defense.

Of course this was early in the season and teams get better as they move through the season.

I want to say East held them to under 10 yards total offense in the first qtr. :eek:

Paul, with all due respect to the kids at PESH....they were the weakest offense we've played the last 2 years...including 0-10 Richland..31-0 is a thumping on a defense any way you slice it...

[dragons08]

how do you beat slc??

ask katy

[toonman]

Without reading this thread, I would say go back to early this season when Plano East played SLC and look at what they did on the game tape in the first qtr. and do it for 4 qtrs. East got some horrible penalty calls in that game that had 2 touchdowns called back. I am not saying East would have won the game. But it would have been much closer.

The offense was able to move the ball and keep the chains moving. The coaches made all the right calls on defense.

Of course this was early in the season and teams get better as they move through the season.

I want to say East held them to under 10 yards total offense in the first qtr. :eek:

As you said, this was an early season game and a lot has changed since this game. PESH has gone from bad to worse, culminating in the shambles of a performance at Texas Stadium on Saturday, when PESH capitulated in their own downfall. Whereas in the earlier game, I saw SLC put on a magnificent display of great all-round offensive and defensive football. If PESH is the example of what it takes to beat SLC, then no wonder SLC slaughters opponents.

[Favpack]

Well Drgnbkr - I guess a poor punter plus a great kicker makes a mediocre to decent all-around kicking game (last year) -- I wouldn't want to have Ortega lining up against me for a last second fg.

[dragonsdaddy]

the punting woes generally didn't come into play for the high scoring slc. i said all year we should have had chase punting from a deep shotgun. it would have put pressure on teams not to put a returner back, as no one would feel comfortable playing our offense with only 10 men.

[MB1243]

If Abilene dont do it this weekend, SLC won't lose until they play a private school from out of state or a team like Sprindale.


IF SLC were to play some smaller school that nobody really knows a lot about over here.. One that puts the ball in the air over 70% of the time. One with a QB that operates out of the shotgun..And have to play them on the 3rd or 4th game of the year, that would be the team to take them.


we'll see what happens when they meet up with katy again this year

[SLCalumni]

Originally Posted by Redneckn
If Abilene dont do it this weekend, SLC won't lose until they play a private school from out of state or a team like Sprindale.


IF SLC were to play some smaller school that nobody really knows a lot about over here.. One that puts the ball in the air over 70% of the time. One with a QB that operates out of the shotgun..And have to play them on the 3rd or 4th game of the year, that would be the team to take them.


---personally, that sounds exactly like the game SLC had agianst colleyville heritage and christian ponder. a qb who operates out of the shotgun and airs the ball out.

[TIGER07]

ok this is how you beat SLC. it has nothing to do with what Katty did because that was Coaches fault. not to put sole blame on him but he did not call the game like he should of he was holding back. the way u beat SLC is to try to out work them. which is nearly impossible. SLC never quiets no matter what the score is. Luff did this twice when they played SLC they put it all on the line till the very last play of they game. it just so happened that SLC put out a little more than they did. so if a team can honestly say they can work harder than SLC then step up and prove it cuz that’s the only way to win.


WOW, blaming the coach is unbelievable..I am absolutley amazed at this response...Thank god they have only lost once, they might fire him when they lose again.
Good thing the rest of us dont think you represent SLC as a whole.

[rellufnalla]

Looks like Abilene didn't know the answer. :(

Next. :eek:

[maverick#23]

If you have an athletic team with great skills speed, you must play your best game and hope they have bad luck with turn overs. You will also have to dominate the special teams.

[SLCDRGN]

The only team I fear the rest of the way is Lufkin. That speed & those Division I recruits!! ISH.....

[FootballJunkie]

Whatever Abilene did you do the exact opposite!!!:D

[mojodragon]

After watching the Abilene game I would say the AHS coaches made one huge mistake and never corrected it. All night they rushed 3 and dropped 8, SLC's QB on most plays could stand back as long as he needed and in HS football the recievers will always win this battle. AHS also played a zone which is a gift to SLC, with enough time they will kill you every time.

[dragons08]

anybody got mcelroys stats?? seemed like he had a GREAT game!

[mustangs06]

first of all i want to say that i dont like southlake but i would like to see them go all of the way because they are from our district. the key to beating carroll is just goin out there and playing football, dont change up what u have been successfull with all year long for one game. all they are is a bunch of high school boys going out there to play a game just like anyone else, i will say that they do have a lot of talent but on any given day anyone can beat anyone under those friday night lights....just look at the film of the grapevine vs southlake game this year, we were picked 6th in our district and we go out there and give southlake a run for their money and end up 4th in district with a 5-2 district record...we arent the most talented team by far but we went out their and played the game the same we had been all year and never gave up fighting till the end ( by the way if any of yall didnt kno the final was 28-23)

[dragons08]

mustangs06, you on the football team? if so i just would like to congradulate you on a great season and would like to wish you good luck in the future if you wish to carry on with your football carrer! good luck!

[mustangs06]

yes i am, and thanks...just let u kno im almost 100% sure yall will win it all again which if we cant win it all then i would like to see someone from our district do it. i was at the abliene game and my uncle is a coach at lubbock monterrey and they lost to abilene in the second round and before the carroll abilene game he was telling me that abilenes defense is the best he has seen all year and that he thought they would give yall a good game. i told him that this team is the best team yall have had ever, yalls offense might not be as good as some of yalls past offenses but ur defense is amazing and they deffinatly make up. about half way through the third quarter he was stunned that abilene couldnt run the ball on yall at all because he thought that abilene a decent enough running game to gain quite a few yards...just thought i might tell you that yall still have a lot of people against yall so keep proving them wrong n show'em district 5-5a has the toughest teams n the state

[dragons08]

yes i am, and thanks...just let u kno im almost 100% sure yall will win it all again which if we cant win it all then i would like to see someone from our district do it. i was at the abliene game and my uncle is a coach at lubbock monterrey and they lost to abilene in the second round and before the carroll abilene game he was telling me that abilenes defense is the best he has seen all year and that he thought they would give yall a good game. i told him that this team is the best team yall have had ever, yalls offense might not be as good as some of yalls past offenses but ur defense is amazing and they deffinatly make up. about half way through the third quarter he was stunned that abilene couldnt run the ball on yall at all because he thought that abilene a decent enough running game to gain quite a few yards...just thought i might tell you that yall still have a lot of people against yall so keep proving them wrong n show'em district 5-5a has the toughest teams n the state
im glad we have our district rivals behind us, even though you guys show a lot of hate towards us, its good to know you guys are rooting for us!

[mustangs06]

we gotta hate yall cuz untill ur beaten ur the best...plus ur our cross town rivals, literally lol

[dragons08]

we gotta hate yall cuz untill ur beaten ur the best...plus ur our cross town rivals, literally lol
cross railroad track rivals to...cross ira e woods (26) road as well..so close that you can see the other stadium from each stadium its so awesome

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Don't do what Abilene did last night:D

IF Plano wins. Don't know how they can stay on the field with them. SLC should win by 4 touchdowns. Their Defense is tough .:eek:

Quite the underdog of underdogs.

[Owned05]

How do you beat SLC?

Watch film of the 2003 state championship game.

[drgnbkr]

How do you beat SLC?

Watch film of the 2003 state championship game.

Watching film is what every team does..doing it is what Katy did....see ya down the road...?

[dragonsdaddy]

i hope against hope that kt shows up on tv. the way both these teams have dominated should make for a great game and a fulfilling one too.

[toonman]

Do not send Abilene to play them

[BigRing5311]

dd...you and chubs going to watch any football today?

[Sakatha]

How do you beat SLC?

Watch film of the 2003 state championship game.


This version beats the 2003 SLC team by 28... This whole 'Watch what Katy did in '03' is getting old.

~DnM

[dragonsdaddy]

i'm working all day. i had to beg someone to switch so i could go last night.

[BigRing5311]

i'm working all day. i had to beg someone to switch so i could go last night.

glad y'all could make it to the massacre on the brazos. ER room should be full of eagles today.

[JCP1984]

You must force them to run the ball (5 or less in the box) and to throw short (2 Deep Zone). You must tackle the WR's, the TB, and the QB when they do catch it short and run the ball. You must hit the QB hard and often, and you must do this without giving up the deep ball. You must find a way to confuse the OL, which is not easy.

Offensively, you must be very patient and settle for long drives. You must convert on third and short and on fourth and one. You must control the time of possession and not turn the ball over.

You have to try and keep the score low (under 24) and hope to have a chance to win it late.

Having said all of this, it is not easy. They have wonderful talent and good coaching. They have a system that works very well form them, and they spend countless hours rep'ing it.

[lonny23]

Preferably with a stick!:p

[KT2000]

I don't believe there is a grand secret out there. As is the case against any very good team, many things must come together in order to beat them.

Most championship caliber teams will not beat themselves with mistakes and that is part of what makes Carroll so good. They will not beat themselves. It will take an equally disciplined program (see Katy 03 and SV 04) to hang with them in the playoffs. You can't make mistakes and expect to stay on the field with SLC because they will take advantage every time.

You must outplay the Dragons over 48 minutes. You can't make mistakes and you can't give up the big play consistently. Some have come close, and only one has managed to do it outright (and by just one point).

[lonny23]

I don't believe there is a grand secret out there. As is the case against any very good team, many things must come together in order to beat them.

Most championship caliber teams will not beat themselves with mistakes and that is part of what makes Carroll so good. They will not beat themselves. It will take an equally disciplined program (see Katy 03 and SV 04) to hang with them in the playoffs. You can't make mistakes and expect to stay on the field with SLC because they will take advantage every time.

You must outplay the Dragons over 48 minutes. You can't make mistakes and you can't give up the big play consistently. Some have come close, and only one has managed to do it outright (and by just one point).
What you and the last guy said is all true. Saying all that, I don't think it happens this year.

[dragonsdaddy]

i saw where ahs can take home the time of possession trophy, at least.

[dragonbuck]

i saw where ahs can take home the time of possession trophy, at least.

We heard it all week. TOP is the way to beat SLC......Not!

[Dawg Fan]

i saw where ahs can take home the time of possession trophy, at least.

whatever happened to winning with class?:confused:

[sendero]

We heard it all week. TOP is the way to beat SLC......Not!

Obviously you have to score at the end of those long possessions. I guess no one told Abilene and a lot of others.:D

It sounds like SLC defense will keep the hardware in SLC this year.

[footballchick07]

man i went to the game last night and it was the first time i seen SLC play except for the midland lee game on tv, but food for thought, what other team have any of you seen that spread out on the play like they do? every play, when they were on defence, they had abeline strung out over 20-25 yards. when they went on offence, not only were they spred out on the line left to right, after the snap, the strung out their play area every time. i found this quite interesting, stringing out the other team where team mates can no longer function together because they are to far apart, and SLC having enough individual accountability to be able to get this done.

[Sakatha]

whatever happened to winning with class?:confused:


I think that SLC talks more noise when baited.

AHS did a GOOD deal of trash talking, coach included, all week long. They had this coming and then some.

~DnM

[dragonbuck]

whatever happened to winning with class?:confused:

Dawg, your comment to Draggon Daddy is unwarranted. He was referring to the discussions all week about the way to beat the Dragons was to win the time of possession. It was said that basically that is all you need to do - control the clock. He/we said that t.o.p. was not critical and this game proved it out. Not classless...knowledgeable.

[toonman]

I think that SLC talks more noise when baited.

AHS did a GOOD deal of trash talking, coach included, all week long. They had this coming and then some.

~DnM

For each game of every week SLC fans are subjected to "criticism" and "trashing" - "weak district", "soft schedule", "have not played against a fast d", "not played against hard hitting d", "you have not played us yet", "we will run the game close", "you are not as good as you think you are", "how can you be ranked #1" etc, etc etc, - week after week after week. Then as soon as a few truths and facts are written after the game, the fans are classless. If you are going to shout your mouth off before a game, then expect comments after the game.

[TrojanHorse03]

For each game of every week SLC fans are subjected to "criticism" and "trashing" - "weak district", "soft schedule", "have not played against a fast d", "not played against hard hitting d", "you have not played us yet", "we will run the game close", "you are not as good as you think you are", "how can you be ranked #1" etc, etc etc, - week after week after week. Then as soon as a few truths and facts are written after the game, the fans are classless. If you are going to shout your mouth off before a game, then expect comments after the game.

Only one correction, that wasn't a game :D . That was a woodshed beating!

[dragonsdaddy]

Only one correction, that wasn't a game :D . That was a woodshed beating!
but it was nothing to what i expect in ts this afternoon. those big olmen and rbs are going to need oxygen after running up and down the field for 2 qtrs, and 50 points.