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lonny23
11-04-2008, 01:08 PM
Dodd has a good article breaking down the contenders. Having 8 teams left and 4 from the Big 12 is great.

On an unrelated note, Texas Tech is for all intents and purposes 2 home wins away (Okie Lite and Baylor) from finally going to a BCS bowl. It's about time we make one. Many Tech fans went into the year saying the year would be a failure without making a BCS bowl and we're getting close. The key is winning this week and then having 2 weeks to get ready for the Sooners. OU also gets 2 weeks to prepare for us, but English might not play.

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/11082996

SLC
11-04-2008, 01:24 PM
Dodd has a good article breaking down the contenders. Having 8 teams left and 4 from the Big 12 is great.

On an unrelated note, Texas Tech is for all intents and purposes 2 home wins away (Okie Lite and Baylor) from finally going to a BCS bowl. It's about time we make one. Many Tech fans went into the year saying the year would be a failure without making a BCS bowl and we're getting close. The key is winning this week and then having 2 weeks to get ready for the Sooners. OU also gets 2 weeks to prepare for us, but English might not play.

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/11082996


Good article... I like the love for the Big 12 teams.

It hit on a point I was saying after we lost to you guys... Texas and Florida are in position to strike..

I said this before... Based on whats left for the 3 in front of us, I believe in my heart and my mind of looking ahead at matchups yall and Bama have to contend with.. The national championship will be Texas vs Florida..

dragons08
11-04-2008, 02:05 PM
Good article... I like the love for the Big 12 teams.

It hit on a point I was saying after we lost to you guys... Texas and Florida are in position to strike..

I said this before... Based on whats left for the 3 in front of us, I believe in my heart and my mind of looking ahead at matchups yall and Bama have to contend with.. The national championship will be Texas vs Florida..

Possible OU v Texas matchup too...If OU pounds tech, don't count it it.

lonny23
11-04-2008, 02:26 PM
Good article... I like the love for the Big 12 teams.

It hit on a point I was saying after we lost to you guys... Texas and Florida are in position to strike..

I said this before... Based on whats left for the 3 in front of us, I believe in my heart and my mind of looking ahead at matchups yall and Bama have to contend with.. The national championship will be Texas vs Florida..
I've seen quite a few people put Florida in the title game and that's why I keep saying, your best hope and easiest way to play for a title is:

LSU or somebody else beats Alabama
Penn State loses a game
Texas Tech wins

That way Florida won't jump you and you can still be 2nd. If Alabama doesn't get beat until the SEC Championship Game, Florida probably jumps you even if you win the Big 12.

Before the year, I picked Florida vs. OU for the title.

lonny23
11-04-2008, 02:28 PM
Possible OU v Texas matchup too...If OU pounds tech, don't count it it.
OU might beat Tech, but they won't pound them. OU hasn't beaten Tech badly since 03.

If the media had anything to do with it, they'd want JoePa in the title game or a Texas Tech-Texas rematch.

SLC
11-04-2008, 02:59 PM
I've seen quite a few people put Florida in the title game and that's why I keep saying, your best hope and easiest way to play for a title is:

LSU or somebody else beats Alabama
Penn State loses a game
Texas Tech wins

That way Florida won't jump you and you can still be 2nd. If Alabama doesn't get beat until the SEC Championship Game, Florida probably jumps you even if you win the Big 12.

Before the year, I picked Florida vs. OU for the title.


I dont see a Penn State loss.. I do however see a Tech loss and a Bama loss.. And for us that is gold..

SLC
11-04-2008, 03:00 PM
OU might beat Tech, but they won't pound them. OU hasn't beaten Tech badly since 03.

If the media had anything to do with it, they'd want JoePa in the title game or a Texas Tech-Texas rematch.

Nobody wants to see a Texas/Tech rematch

ThEgReAtOnE
11-04-2008, 03:10 PM
Nobody wants to see a Texas/Tech rematch

This.

slorch
11-04-2008, 03:20 PM
I would love doing in one season what it took the Ags to do in 2.

Beat Texas twice.:D

Bring it.

lonny23
11-04-2008, 03:24 PM
Nobody wants to see a Texas/Tech rematch
I agree that many would not want that, but it seems to me that Texas fans would want revenge....



























unless they're scared they'll get beat again!:D

SLC
11-04-2008, 03:55 PM
I agree that many would not want that, but it seems to me that Texas fans would want revenge....unless they're scared they'll get beat again!:D



No fear... And Tech won the game... But its hardly a rivalry... No offense against you guys or any other big 12 team.. But UT has only 1 rivalry game and thats OU....

And one more thing... At a neutral site... UT wins..

tayb
11-04-2008, 04:16 PM
I agree that many would not want that, but it seems to me that Texas fans would want revenge....



























unless they're scared they'll get beat again!:D

Nah, revenge comes at home next year. ;)

Favpack
11-04-2008, 04:22 PM
Only the die-hard idiots are dismissing the B12 this year.

NO WAY any top 5 team would not have issues with the B12 - they could go undefeated, but there is no lock that PSU, Florida, or (give me a break) USC would be anything other than a player in our conference.

tayb
11-04-2008, 05:09 PM
I've seen quite a few people put Florida in the title game and that's why I keep saying, your best hope and easiest way to play for a title is:

LSU or somebody else beats Alabama
Penn State loses a game
Texas Tech wins

That way Florida won't jump you and you can still be 2nd. If Alabama doesn't get beat until the SEC Championship Game, Florida probably jumps you even if you win the Big 12.

Before the year, I picked Florida vs. OU for the title.

That is definitely not the easiest way for Texas to play for a title. That is the easiest way for Tech to play for a title.

The easiest way for Texas to get into a title is to play for the Big XII title and Alabama to lose a game. A 1-loss SEC champ might pass Texas into the title game but a 1-loss Texas as a Big XII champ won't get passed.

Hookin'Em
11-04-2008, 05:20 PM
That is definitely not the easiest way for Texas to play for a title. That is the easiest way for Tech to play for a title.

The easiest way for Texas to get into a title is to play for the Big XII title and Alabama to lose a game. A 1-loss SEC champ might pass Texas into the title game but a 1-loss Texas as a Big XII champ won't get passed.

Don't worry were gonna get in I am sure. tech will lose to OSU and ZeroU and Alabama will lose to Florida at least, and maybe LSU too and TEXAS will bring home the football again.:D

lonny23
11-05-2008, 02:23 AM
That is definitely not the easiest way for Texas to play for a title. That is the easiest way for Tech to play for a title.

The easiest way for Texas to get into a title is to play for the Big XII title and Alabama to lose a game. A 1-loss SEC champ might pass Texas into the title game but a 1-loss Texas as a Big XII champ won't get passed.
Here's the fly in the Big 12 title talk.

Tech beats OSU and Baylor and loses to OU.
OSU beats OU.

Tech still plays for the Big 12.

You need Tech to lose 2 games.

OR

You need Tech to lose a game to either OSU or OU and then you have to hope the winner doesn't lose to their rival.

You only need 'bama or Penn State to lose 1 game, but you're asking for 2 losses in any Big 12 scenario and you still need a 'bama or Penn State loss.

SLC
11-05-2008, 09:17 AM
Here's the fly in the Big 12 title talk.

Tech beats OSU and Baylor and loses to OU.
OSU beats OU.

Tech still plays for the Big 12.

You need Tech to lose 2 games.

OR

You need Tech to lose a game to either OSU or OU and then you have to hope the winner doesn't lose to their rival.

You only need 'bama or Penn State to lose 1 game, but you're asking for 2 losses in any Big 12 scenario and you still need a 'bama or Penn State loss.

We do not need Tech to lose 2 games... Its fine if they do.. all the better, but 1 loss is fine..

Panther #73
11-05-2008, 09:28 AM
OU will beat tech. Tech will have a big head coming into this game, and playing in norman......i dont think they can win

becomingwater
11-05-2008, 09:50 AM
No fear... And Tech won the game... But its hardly a rivalry... No offense against you guys or any other big 12 team.. But UT has only 1 rivalry game and thats OU....

And one more thing... At a neutral site... UT wins..

Yea I can see Texas winning a rematch.

lonny23
11-05-2008, 10:24 AM
We do not need Tech to lose 2 games... Its fine if they do.. all the better, but 1 loss is fine..
You need 2 Tech losses if:

OSU beats OU and loses to Tech

OR

OU beats OSU and loses to Tech.

At that point, you'll be a Baylor fan hoping they beat Tech.

For all this hoping that you get back to the Big 12 Title game, the odds are really stacked against you.

1. There is a good chance that Tech beats OSU in Lubbock.
2. There is a better chance that Tech loses in Norman, but you get frozen out if Tech wins.
3. Even if OU beats Tech, there is a good chance that OSU beats the Sooners in Stillwater.
4. You might be rooting for Baylor to beat Tech because it's more likely you'll need that than the magical scenario of OU winning out.
5. Don't forget Texas loses tiebreakers to Tech and there aren't any guarantees that OU and OSU don't both have losses on the road left.

My guess:

Tech 8-0
UT 7-1
OSU 6-2
OU 5-3

SLC
11-05-2008, 10:29 AM
You need 2 Tech losses if:

OSU beats OU and loses to Tech

OR

OU beats OSU and loses to Tech.

At that point, you'll be a Baylor fan hoping they beat Tech.

For all this hoping that you get back to the Big 12 Title game, the odds are really stacked against you.

1. There is a good chance that Tech beats OSU in Lubbock.
2. There is a better chance that Tech loses in Norman, but you get frozen out if Tech wins.
3. Even if OU beats Tech, there is a good chance that OSU beats the Sooners in Stillwater.
4. You might be rooting for Baylor to beat Tech because it's more likely you'll need that than the magical scenario of OU winning out.
5. Don't forget Texas loses tiebreakers to Tech and there aren't any guarantees that OU and OSU don't both have losses on the road left.

My guess:

Tech 8-0
UT 7-1
OSU 6-2
OU 5-3


I want 2 Tech loses or a tie atop the Big 12 south...

slorch
11-05-2008, 10:30 AM
My guess:

Tech 8-0
UT 7-1
OSU 6-2
OU 5-3

That would be beautiful.

And I would be pumped about getting to play UT again if that came about!

tayb
11-05-2008, 11:37 AM
Here's the fly in the Big 12 title talk.

Tech beats OSU and Baylor and loses to OU.
OSU beats OU.

Tech still plays for the Big 12.

You need Tech to lose 2 games.

OR

You need Tech to lose a game to either OSU or OU and then you have to hope the winner doesn't lose to their rival.

You only need 'bama or Penn State to lose 1 game, but you're asking for 2 losses in any Big 12 scenario and you still need a 'bama or Penn State loss.

All Texas needs is OSU or OU to win out and we are probably win. Oklahoma winning out might jumping so that isn't ideal but Oklahoma State winning out wouldn't jump us for sure. Either way I'm confident that sitting at #4 will position us the best to play for the Big XII title if either of those teams win out. You guys can lose to Oklahoma State this Saturday and pound Oklahoma 218-0 but as long as Oklahoma State beats OU Texas will be in. That is the easiest path.

If neither of those teams win out then Tech is in the title game unless they lose to Baylor.

And your scenario for Tech winning out is most definitely the hardest way for Texas to get to the title game. I know you are a Tech homer but you can't honestly believe that Tech winning out would be best for Texas, or maybe you actually can...

lonny23
11-05-2008, 12:36 PM
All Texas needs is OSU or OU to win out and we are probably win. Oklahoma winning out might jumping so that isn't ideal but Oklahoma State winning out wouldn't jump us for sure. Either way I'm confident that sitting at #4 will position us the best to play for the Big XII title if either of those teams win out. You guys can lose to Oklahoma State this Saturday and pound Oklahoma 218-0 but as long as Oklahoma State beats OU Texas will be in. That is the easiest path.

If neither of those teams win out then Tech is in the title game unless they lose to Baylor.

And your scenario for Tech winning out is most definitely the hardest way for Texas to get to the title game. I know you are a Tech homer but you can't honestly believe that Tech winning out would be best for Texas, or maybe you actually can...Sure, somebody winning out gets you in, but the odds are against it.

OSU plays at Tech
Tech plays at OU
OU plays at OSU

Like I said before,

you get in the title game with "bama and Penn State losses as long as Florida doesn't go crazy winning big.

OR

You can take the magic bullet Big 12 theory of 3 or 4 games working out and you'll still need 'bama or Penn State to lose.

Yes, whatever chance Florida has of jumping Texas is not as great as OSU or OU jumping Texas by getting on a late roll.

It's not that hard. You get what you want with 2 losses my way or you can have your Big 12 title and need at least 4 games to play for a national title.

My way has nothing to do with me being a Tech fan. I'm just giving you realistic scenarios. You don't want to get into tiebreakers with teams that beat you and the problem is the Big 12 has 4 teams in the BCS Top 9 and those losses don't hurt as much as 'bama or Penn State losses. Did you ever think that Tech might lose a game and still stay in front of you in the BCS?

If 'bama and Penn State lose this week, you'll be #2 and saying "I don't care what happens as long as we keep winning."

Here's my pure Tech homer viewpoint. I'm not worried about who wins or loses as long as we keep winning. It means we'll play somebody for the title. If I were to rank how I view teams as Tech's best chance to win the BCS Title Game:

1. Penn State
2. Alabama
3. Oklahoma
4. Oklahoma State
5. Texas
6. USC
7. Florida

lonny23
11-05-2008, 12:39 PM
All Texas needs is OSU or OU to win out and we are probably win. Oklahoma winning out might jumping so that isn't ideal but Oklahoma State winning out wouldn't jump us for sure. Either way I'm confident that sitting at #4 will position us the best to play for the Big XII title if either of those teams win out. You guys can lose to Oklahoma State this Saturday and pound Oklahoma 218-0 but as long as Oklahoma State beats OU Texas will be in. That is the easiest path.

If neither of those teams win out then Tech is in the title game unless they lose to Baylor.

And your scenario for Tech winning out is most definitely the hardest way for Texas to get to the title game. I know you are a Tech homer but you can't honestly believe that Tech winning out would be best for Texas, or maybe you actually can...On your note about Tech, you want people in front of you to lose, but not if somebody from behind catches you. Tech losing and Texas getting passed by OSU or OU does nothing in the end.

tayb
11-05-2008, 12:45 PM
Sure, somebody winning out gets you in, but the odds are against it.

OSU plays at Tech
Tech plays at OU
OU plays at OSU

Like I said before,

you get in the title game with "bama and Penn State losses as long as Florida doesn't go crazy winning big.

OR

You can take the magic bullet Big 12 theory of 3 or 4 games working out and you'll still need 'bama or Penn State to lose.

Yes, whatever chance Florida has of jumping Texas is not as great as OSU or OU jumping Texas by getting on a late roll.

It's not that hard. You get what you want with 2 losses my way or you can have your Big 12 title and need at least 4 games to play for a national title.

My way has nothing to do with me being a Tech fan. I'm just giving you realistic scenarios. You don't want to get into tiebreakers with teams that beat you and the problem is the Big 12 has 4 teams in the BCS Top 9 and those losses don't hurt as much as 'bama or Penn State losses. Did you ever think that Tech might lose a game and still stay in front of you in the BCS?

If 'bama and Penn State lose this week, you'll be #2 and saying "I don't care what happens as long as we keep winning."

Here's my pure Tech homer viewpoint. I'm not worried about who wins or loses as long as we keep winning. It means we'll play somebody for the title. If I were to rank how I view teams as Tech's best chance to win the BCS Title Game:

1. Penn State
2. Alabama
3. Oklahoma
4. Oklahoma State
5. Texas
6. USC
7. Florida

Tech won't lose a game and stay ahead of Texas. If they lose at home they will drop 5 or 6 spots but if they lose at Oklahoma it will be the second to last game of the season. With Tech at #2, Penn State #3, and Texas #4 there is no way they stay in front of Texas. That is just how the stupidity of the BCS works. Same reason Texas is behind Oklahoma and OSU in the USA Today polls.

The odds that Alabama and Penn State will lose and Florida, the SEC champion, won't get voted ahead of Texas are far worse than the odds that OU or OSU wins out.

The odds of Oklahoma or Okie Lite of jumping Texas are much smaller because we have played and beaten both of those schools. There is nothing to compare against Florida and they will have won the SEC.

lonny23
11-05-2008, 01:05 PM
Tech won't lose a game and stay ahead of Texas. If they lose at home they will drop 5 or 6 spots but if they lose at Oklahoma it will be the second to last game of the season. With Tech at #2, Penn State #3, and Texas #4 there is no way they stay in front of Texas. That is just how the stupidity of the BCS works. Same reason Texas is behind Oklahoma and OSU in the USA Today polls.

The odds that Alabama and Penn State will lose and Florida, the SEC champion, won't get voted ahead of Texas are far worse than the odds that OU or OSU wins out.

The odds of Oklahoma or Okie Lite of jumping Texas are much smaller because we have played and beaten both of those schools. There is nothing to compare against Florida and they will have won the SEC.
Just as you feel OU and OSU won't pass you because of wins, who is to say that Tech won't stay in front of Texas?

Besides, my guess is if we can beat you and you beat OSU, we probably should beat OSU. From my corner, OSU was lucky to be that close to Texas and Texas was lucky to be that close to Tech. We should beat OSU by double digits.

Like I said before, if I were a UT fan, I'd be hoping for the magic bullet theory to still win the Big 12, but from a pure stat % analysis, there are less moving parts in my theory for you guys to get back to the National Title Game.

Alabama/Penn State- You pass them if they lose once.

USC- They can't pass you.

Florida- They might pass you at 12-1, but it's not a foregone conclusion and especially if 'bama loses.

Tech- You need them to lose twice. If Tech loses once and still wins the Big 12, they'll be in front of you.

OU/OSU- You're playing with fire when they win games. My guess is if one of these guys wins the Big 12, they'll pass you. You want them to lose.

Here's what you want besides total chaos at the top:

You want a bunch of 11-1 and 12-1 teams and to be viewed as the best 1-loss team. That is best done by your only loss being to the #1 13-0 Texas Tech Red Raiders on the road. You need your loss to look as good as possible to make sure you stay in front of all the other 1-loss teams and you need losses by at least 2 of the 3 undefeated teams. If Tech loses, you still have to have things work out so they don't still win the Big 12.

I remember the 1984 NFL playoffs. The Cowboys were mediocre and needed about 7 things to happen in the last 2 weeks to make the playoffs. The first 6 happened and then Dallas lost on Monday Night in Miami to end the year and miss the playoffs. My point is you want to control your own destiny and need the easiest path to your goals. I've presented those here.

SLC
11-05-2008, 01:28 PM
Just as you feel OU and OSU won't pass you because of wins, who is to say that Tech won't stay in front of Texas?


I'm telling you now, that as soon as Tech loses they will drop behind several teams, not just Texas... The people who vote arent convinced Tech is among the elite in the country.. They are waiting for Tech to lose to prove it... Tech losing is worse than any of the usual top schools losing.

tayb
11-05-2008, 02:06 PM
Just as you feel OU and OSU won't pass you because of wins, who is to say that Tech won't stay in front of Texas?

Besides, my guess is if we can beat you and you beat OSU, we probably should beat OSU. From my corner, OSU was lucky to be that close to Texas and Texas was lucky to be that close to Tech. We should beat OSU by double digits.

Like I said before, if I were a UT fan, I'd be hoping for the magic bullet theory to still win the Big 12, but from a pure stat % analysis, there are less moving parts in my theory for you guys to get back to the National Title Game.

Alabama/Penn State- You pass them if they lose once.

USC- They can't pass you.

Florida- They might pass you at 12-1, but it's not a foregone conclusion and especially if 'bama loses.

Tech- You need them to lose twice. If Tech loses once and still wins the Big 12, they'll be in front of you.

OU/OSU- You're playing with fire when they win games. My guess is if one of these guys wins the Big 12, they'll pass you. You want them to lose.

Here's what you want besides total chaos at the top:

You want a bunch of 11-1 and 12-1 teams and to be viewed as the best 1-loss team. That is best done by your only loss being to the #1 13-0 Texas Tech Red Raiders on the road. You need your loss to look as good as possible to make sure you stay in front of all the other 1-loss teams and you need losses by at least 2 of the 3 undefeated teams. If Tech loses, you still have to have things work out so they don't still win the Big 12.

I remember the 1984 NFL playoffs. The Cowboys were mediocre and needed about 7 things to happen in the last 2 weeks to make the playoffs. The first 6 happened and then Dallas lost on Monday Night in Miami to end the year and miss the playoffs. My point is you want to control your own destiny and need the easiest path to your goals. I've presented those here.

Oh lord your head has tripled in size after half a week. Texas was lucky to be that close to Tech? Tech was lucky Gideon dropped an interception that would have been game over, Shipley dropped a wide open touch down pass in the first quarter, McCoy threw a pick six, and we missed the game winning tackle on the final pass at the day. I've given Tech their credit for playing a great first half and winning the game but don't give me this "Tech should have won bigger" bull:Censor:.

And no. The easiest path still remains Oklahoma State winning out and Alabama or Penn State losing.

If Tech loses to Oklahoma and Oklahoma loses to Okie Lite Tech will play in the Big XII title but they won't be in front of Texas. You can't lose that late in the season and not drop more than 1 spot, it won't happen. No matter how unfair it might be it won't happen. For proof look at the Coaches poll and see Texas several spots behind Oklahoma (who has a first place vote) even though Texas has a win over Oklahoma.

lonny23
11-06-2008, 12:31 AM
Oh lord your head has tripled in size after half a week. Texas was lucky to be that close to Tech? Tech was lucky Gideon dropped an interception that would have been game over, Shipley dropped a wide open touch down pass in the first quarter, McCoy threw a pick six, and we missed the game winning tackle on the final pass at the day. I've given Tech their credit for playing a great first half and winning the game but don't give me this "Tech should have won bigger" bull:Censor:.

And no. The easiest path still remains Oklahoma State winning out and Alabama or Penn State losing.

If Tech loses to Oklahoma and Oklahoma loses to Okie Lite Tech will play in the Big XII title but they won't be in front of Texas. You can't lose that late in the season and not drop more than 1 spot, it won't happen. No matter how unfair it might be it won't happen. For proof look at the Coaches poll and see Texas several spots behind Oklahoma (who has a first place vote) even though Texas has a win over Oklahoma.I mentioned the placement of teams because the media and coaches do make shift adjustments at the end of the year and they will consider head to head.

My head hasn't gotten any bigger. I said before the game that I thought Tech would win by 10 so the outcome didn't change my view about the world any. Texas dropped INT's and so did Tech. Texas dropped balls and I saw Harrell overthrow guys he never overthrows. The plays that weren't made by both teams were pretty even. What did happen was Tech had 200 more yards and was plus 1 in turnovers. That's usually the mark of a 3 TD win, but Shipley had a special teams TD so you can argue it probably should've been Tech by 14. I never said Texas didn't deserve to be within 6. I only said the odds say that most of the time they never would've had the lead late in the game. I mean you play the game and the results are the results. It's just like the Air Force-Navy game this year. The Falcons dominated, but lost because they had 2 punts blocked for TD's.

The easiest path is never needing 4 things to happen (Tech lose to OSU, Tech lose to OU or Baylor, OU lose to OSU, and either Penn State or 'bama losing) when 2 can happen (Penn State and 'bama lose) and you still get what you want.

Besides, OSU isn't going to win at Tech.

slorch
11-06-2008, 07:37 AM
I'm telling you now, that as soon as Tech loses they will drop behind several teams, not just Texas... The people in Austin arent convinced Tech is among the elite in the country.. They are waiting for Tech to lose to prove it... Texas losing to Tech is worse than any of the usual top schools losing.

FIFY:D

SLC
11-06-2008, 11:03 AM
FIFY:D



LMAO....:notworthy:D

tayb
11-06-2008, 11:24 AM
I mentioned the placement of teams because the media and coaches do make shift adjustments at the end of the year and they will consider head to head.

My head hasn't gotten any bigger. I said before the game that I thought Tech would win by 10 so the outcome didn't change my view about the world any. Texas dropped INT's and so did Tech. Texas dropped balls and I saw Harrell overthrow guys he never overthrows. The plays that weren't made by both teams were pretty even. What did happen was Tech had 200 more yards and was plus 1 in turnovers. That's usually the mark of a 3 TD win, but Shipley had a special teams TD so you can argue it probably should've been Tech by 14. I never said Texas didn't deserve to be within 6. I only said the odds say that most of the time they never would've had the lead late in the game. I mean you play the game and the results are the results. It's just like the Air Force-Navy game this year. The Falcons dominated, but lost because they had 2 punts blocked for TD's.

The easiest path is never needing 4 things to happen (Tech lose to OSU, Tech lose to OU or Baylor, OU lose to OSU, and either Penn State or 'bama losing) when 2 can happen (Penn State and 'bama lose) and you still get what you want.

Besides, OSU isn't going to win at Tech.

Penn State or Alabama losing won't get Texas into the NCG because they will most likely be passed by the 1-loss SEC champ.

And it isn't four things it is just three. 1.) Tech to lose to OU or OSU, 2.) Whoever beat Tech, OU or OSU, to win out, 3.) Alabama to lose. These three things are much more likely to happen than Penn State losing.

d-train
11-06-2008, 02:27 PM
Nothing about the BCS is good! 16 team playoff, BCS Conference champs automatic bids, which gives us 6 teams, with 10 at large births based on an RPI type system. Top 8 seeds get home field to semis. Semis will be played at pre determined sites and the title game could rotate just like the Super Bowl. Each game would be a sellout and have high ratings and the national semis could be played just like the AFC/NFC title games, at 3:30 and 7 PM, then the big game. No byes or anything to give an unfair advantage, homefield is advantage enough. Those that don't make the playoffs play in the same bowl games they do now, that no one attends or watches! Homefield makes sense because only one week to prep and it guarantees sellouts and it rewards winning conf. titles and having tough schedules in non-conf. The games could be REDUCED to 10 or kept at 12, since there would be no conference title games anymore. The money would be huge and would offset any conf title game money losses. The problem would be that no one could claim to be have a great season if they lost in the playoffs, since at present they can win a bowl and fans get to travel down South and out West. Simple, but they don't wanna do it. This is done in all football save for D1, where they vote for MNC instead of having NCAA D1 Football National Champs. Best record doesn't do it in Texas HS football or the NFL, so why do you think a team that goes 12 or 13-0 from a BCS league is the BEST team, when wild card teams win titles in all the pro leagues and teams with multiple losses win HS titles? PLAYOFFS ALL THE WAY!

lonny23
11-06-2008, 02:38 PM
Penn State or Alabama losing won't get Texas into the NCG because they will most likely be passed by the 1-loss SEC champ.

And it isn't four things it is just three. 1.) Tech to lose to OU or OSU, 2.) Whoever beat Tech, OU or OSU, to win out, 3.) Alabama to lose. These three things are much more likely to happen than Penn State losing.
Florida would pass Texas if 'bama didn't lose before the SEC game. I'm not sure they'll pass Texas if 'bama loses before then.

There is a good chance that whoever wins the Big 12 will pass Texas and there is no guarantee that Tech falls below Texas if they lose a game and I'm saying that with the mindset that some people have a bone to pick with Tech.

I don't think Penn State loses, either. I'm just giving scenarios for Texas to get what they want. Personally, I think there are going to be a lot of mad 1-loss teams watching Penn State and Texas Tech play for a title.

lonny23
11-06-2008, 02:41 PM
Nothing about the BCS is good! 16 team playoff, BCS Conference champs automatic bids, which gives us 6 teams, with 10 at large births based on an RPI type system. Top 8 seeds get home field to semis. Semis will be played at pre determined sites and the title game could rotate just like the Super Bowl. Each game would be a sellout and have high ratings and the national semis could be played just like the AFC/NFC title games, at 3:30 and 7 PM, then the big game. No byes or anything to give an unfair advantage, homefield is advantage enough. Those that don't make the playoffs play in the same bowl games they do now, that no one attends or watches! Homefield makes sense because only one week to prep and it guarantees sellouts and it rewards winning conf. titles and having tough schedules in non-conf. The games could be REDUCED to 10 or kept at 12, since there would be no conference title games anymore. The money would be huge and would offset any conf title game money losses. The problem would be that no one could claim to be have a great season if they lost in the playoffs, since at present they can win a bowl and fans get to travel down South and out West. Simple, but they don't wanna do it. This is done in all football save for D1, where they vote for MNC instead of having NCAA D1 Football National Champs. Best record doesn't do it in Texas HS football or the NFL, so why do you think a team that goes 12 or 13-0 from a BCS league is the BEST team, when wild card teams win titles in all the pro leagues and teams with multiple losses win HS titles? PLAYOFFS ALL THE WAY!
I've always been a BCS hater. The only people who don't hate the BCS are those who benefit from it. Right now, I don't hate the BCS, but that's only because it's good for me right now. In a few weeks, I might be a hater again!:D