Crabtree VS Dez

[slorch]

Who wins this great matchup of dominant WR's?

http://images.athlonsports.com/d/10227-1/MichaelCrabtree1.jpg VERSUS http://media.scout.com/media/image/60/602975.jpg

[Favpack]

12 catches; 190 yards; - 3 td's.... for one of them. :D

[mad_fan]

Interesting selection of pics...;)
Said mad...while itching his crotch...:D

[slorch]

Interesting selection of pics...;)
Said mad...while itching his crotch...:D

I thought they were both complementary.

[wesaxman34]

It's hard to say who will have the best stats, but if I were to guess, it would be Dez just because Harrell has so many other weapons to use. He may not throw it to Crab as much as Robinson will throw it to Dez.

Crabtree is the best WR in the nation, regardless....;)

[mad_fan]

I thought they were both complementary.

Dez and my crotch???:confused::D

[4th and 1]

Who wins this great matchup of dominant WR's?

http://images.athlonsports.com/d/10227-1/MichaelCrabtree1.jpg VERSUS http://media.scout.com/media/image/60/602975.jpg

Crabtree - hands down!

[Hookin'Em]

Dez Bryant is a hoss.....he will show the nation who is the best WR in a match up of two of the best. I gotta hand it to Tech that Crabtree is awesome but noone can match Dez athletic abilty.

[Dawg Fan]

Dez Bryant is a hoss.....he will show the nation who is the best WR in a match up of two of the best. I gotta hand it to Tech that Crabtree is awesome but noone can match Dez athletic abilty.


do you even watch football? Did you miss the last play of the game Saturday. Bryant is an outstanding receiver but even with a bum ankle Crabtree is the better athlete.

[pack0808]

do you even watch football? Did you miss the last play of the game Saturday. Bryant is an outstanding receiver but even with a bum ankle Crabtree is the better athlete.

The 2 best in the nation but Dez is a freak. Got to go with dez no doubt.

[lonny23]

The 2 best in the nation but Dez is a freak. Got to go with dez no doubt.
I think Dez will have better stats, but Crab will block better, win, and impact the game more.

[slorch]

The 2 best in the nation but Dez is a freak. Got to go with dez no doubt.

Homer vote...:rolleyes::D

( honestly, i am very excited about watching the two best WRs I have ever seen play in person. Thing about it is, you know they are going to get the ball. It's the missed tackles and what they do after the catch that will seperate their performances on Saturday. I cannot wait!)

[GameTyme]

Crabtree won the game against Texas, but umm who beat Tech last season as a True Freshman :D yeah Dez scored the game winner right.

People that think Bryant cant run after the catch are mis informed just becuase he doesnt have to doesnt mean he cant ;). Are we forgetting the screen pass he beat Tech with last season.

Crabtree has seen 10 more catches then Bryant yet Bryant still drowrfs his #'s and has Crab retunred a punt for a TD yet in his career. Well Bryant has 2 this season so saying Crab is the better athlete well not what the overall stats imply. Both players are incredable WR's but yes with a little bit of homerism I vote Dez Bryant.

Also itching my crouch I approve this message.

[slorch]

Crabtree won the game against Texas, but umm who beat Tech last season as a True Freshman :D yeah Dez scored the game winner right.

People that think Bryant cant run after the catch are mis informed just becuase he doesnt have to doesnt mean he cant ;). Are we forgetting the screen pass he beat Tech with last season.

Crabtree has seen 10 more catches then Bryant yet Bryant still drowrfs his #'s and has Crab retunred a punt for a TD yet in his career. Well Bryant has 2 this season so saying Crab is the better athlete well not what the overall stats imply. Both players are incredable WR's but yes with a little bit of homerism I vote Dez Bryant.

Also itching my crouch I approve this message.

and jerry Rice was the greatest ever because of the return game right? michael Irvin, one of the toughest SOBs to ever catch a quick post over the middle didn't make his name in the return game. true enough, I have mentioned NFLers here, but I would ask you are we talking WRs or returners?

Tech already was dumb enough to have Crabtree return KOs and in the Aggie game his first one went for about 40 yards and the second one tore up his ankle, which continues to nag at him. What a great return we got on that unneccessary risk.:rolleyes: We have plenty of other guys that are capable returners. i guess Tech coaches just wanted to leverage crab's agility and vision in the return game. To this day I think it put waaaaay too much at risk for what we would get out of it.

I think it is almost impossible to differentiate between the value both of these guys have for their teams. Crabtree is not the leaper that Dez is. I think Dez has the straight speed to match Crabtree but is not as agile. They are both powerful receivers that don't mind throwing a block or running through a tackle. it will be interesting to see who makes the most of the evening. My problem is that I like both players, but obviously I'm going to yell for Tech.

[Dawg Fan]

Crabtree won the game against Texas, but umm who beat Tech last season as a True Freshman :D yeah Dez scored the game winner right.

People that think Bryant cant run after the catch are mis informed just becuase he doesnt have to doesnt mean he cant ;). Are we forgetting the screen pass he beat Tech with last season.

Crabtree has seen 10 more catches then Bryant yet Bryant still drowrfs his #'s and has Crab retunred a punt for a TD yet in his career. Well Bryant has 2 this season so saying Crab is the better athlete well not what the overall stats imply. Both players are incredable WR's but yes with a little bit of homerism I vote Dez Bryant.

Also itching my crouch I approve this message.

last year means exactly what this year? They beat Missouri (Baylor almost beat Missouri) and lost To Texas this year and other than that haven't played anyone. Crabtree caught the winning touchdown double covered against the #1 team in the nation. Crab is just a better receiver in clutch situations. BTW he did that with a bum ankle. I am not saying Dez in not outstanding by any means, I just believe Crabtree is a little better.

[GameTyme]

Inside the #'s

Dez Bryant 60 receptions 1,054 yards 17.6 YPC 15 TD's 102 total points

Michael Crabtree 70 receptions 921 yards 13.2 YPC 15 TD's 90 total points

[Dawg Fan]

Inside the #'s

Dez Bryant 60 receptions 1,054 yards 17.6 YPC 15 TD's 102 total points

Michael Crabtree 70 receptions 921 yards 13.2 YPC 15 TD's 90 total points

you left out an important fact...Crabtree is playing on an injured ankle

[GameTyme]

last year means exactly what this year? They beat Missouri (Baylor almost beat Missouri) and lost To Texas this year and other than that haven't played anyone. Crabtree caught the winning touchdown double covered against the #1 team in the nation. Crab is just a better receiver in clutch situations. BTW he did that with a bum ankle. I am not saying Dez in not outstanding by any means, I just believe Crabtree is a little better.


1 and 1A basically, but no doubt saturday one will emerge as a Heisman Finalist IMO.

[twcpfan1]

Are they lining up against each other on the field?

It aint Rugby.

Result would be inconclusive since one would probably match up against a better set of DB's. Often wonder about matching same positions. They play against different people.

So much for my whining... Football is the winner. Both incredible players.

[pack0808]

Homer vote...:rolleyes::D

( honestly, i am very excited about watching the two best WRs I have ever seen play in person. Thing about it is, you know they are going to get the ball. It's the missed tackles and what they do after the catch that will seperate their performances on Saturday. I cannot wait!)

BS I mean that 100 pct. You know I am not a homer and call it like I see it. Yes I am probably biased because I watched him for so many years at Lufkin I will give you that. Maybe I am wrong but I seriously cannot imagine any wr being better in nation. Nothing against crabtree he is great

[pack0808]

Inside the #'s

Dez Bryant 60 receptions 1,054 yards 17.6 YPC 15 TD's 102 total points

Michael Crabtree 70 receptions 921 yards 13.2 YPC 15 TD's 90 total points

Boy I was really being a homer with my Dez pick huh? ;)

[Dawg Fan]

BS I mean that 100 pct. You know I am not a homer and call it like I see it. because I watched him for so many years at Lufkin I will give you that. Maybe I am wrong but I seriously cannot imagine any wr being better in nation. Nothing against crabtree he is great


Yes I am probably biased

nm

[GameTyme]

you left out an important fact...Crabtree is playing on an injured ankle


This is Big 12 football you dont think Bryant has played hurt at somepoint this season. Also Crabs #'s have been about the same even since the beginning of the season when he was 100% healthy he only averaged 14 YPC to Bryants 20 YPC. Plus thorw in adrenaline do you really think Crab was feeling that ankle I really couldnt tell the way he was jumping up and down after he scored the GW'er in the endzone. Kind of reminds me of when Reggie Miller was playing hurt and hit the game winning 3 pointer against Jordans's Bulls in the playoff's. How quick they seem to forget about that ankle :D. No doubt he tweaked it but once your get going the ankle probably didnt hurt him that much. Im pretty sure it was sore afterwards but lets be honest if it was seriouse then he wouldnt be playing.

[d-train]

Boy I was really being a homer with my Dez pick huh? ;)
Dez is a great KR, which is a plus and he runs the ball on reverses. Crabtree is a converted QB. Both good and strong runners. Both will be in NFL, but Bryant is faster!

[Dawg Fan]

Boy I was really being a homer with my Dez pick huh? ;)

nothing wrong with being a homer, why not admit it? We all know you are;)

[pack0808]

nothing wrong with being a homer, why not admit it? We all know you are;)

I am too honest to be a homer. Ask the panther fans.

[slorch]

you left out an important fact...Crabtree is playing on an injured ankle

I'm not going to use that as an excuse.

This is one reason, along with many others, that stats make liars out of people. I was griping to a Tech buddy about the tech offense in the 3rd quarter and he reminded me that harrell had over 400 yards passing? I just looked at him and said 2 - 3 and outs in the 3rd quarter damn near cost Tech the game. i don't give a rip about stats. What did you do when the game was on the line?

Both of these guys are gamers and I think they are going to put on a show Saturday Night.

Hey TO, got your popcorn ready???

[Dawg Fan]

This is Big 12 football you dont think Bryant has played hurt at somepoint this season. Also Crabs #'s have been about the same even since the beginning of the season when he was 100% healthy he only averaged 14 YPC to Bryants 20 YPC. Plus thorw in adrenaline do you really think Crab was feeling that ankle I really couldnt tell the way he was jumping up and down after he scored the GW'er in the endzone. Kind of reminds me of when Reggie Miller was playing hurt and hit the game winning 3 pointer against Jordans's Bulls in the playoff's. How quick they seem to forget about that ankle :D. No doubt he tweaked it but once your get going the ankle probably didnt hurt him that much. Im pretty sure it was sore afterwards but lets be honest if it was seriouse then he wouldnt be playing.

oh please, what a weak argument. Do you know how bad his ankle is doctor? Your comparison is just spin. Crab caught the winning touchdown against the #1 team in the nation. Which is more important, YPC or winning games?

[slorch]

This is Big 12 football you dont think Bryant has played hurt at somepoint this season. Also Crabs #'s have been about the same even since the beginning of the season when he was 100% healthy he only averaged 14 YPC to Bryants 20 YPC. Plus thorw in adrenaline do you really think Crab was feeling that ankle I really couldnt tell the way he was jumping up and down after he scored the GW'er in the endzone. Kind of reminds me of when Reggie Miller was playing hurt and hit the game winning 3 pointer against Jordans's Bulls in the playoff's. How quick they seem to forget about that ankle :D. No doubt he tweaked it but once your get going the ankle probably didnt hurt him that much. Im pretty sure it was sore afterwards but lets be honest if it was seriouse then he wouldnt be playing.

Bryant is a tough SOB too. I will never forget the Mizzou game and those hits he took. The guy willed himself to keep going.

What did he do when the game was on the line? he lead his team to victory.

That's all that matters.

[slorch]

oh please, what a weak argument. Do you know how bad his ankle is doctor? Your comparison is just spin. Crab caught the winning touchdown against the #1 team in the nation. Which is more important, YPC or winning games?

what's more important statistics or results?

you are the one that brought up the injury in the first place.

both of these guys have played hurt this season. Hopefully Crab's ankle will not hobble him saturday night, but if it does, that's just part of the game, right?

[Hookin'Em]

Dez is obviously the better wr man. He played wr in HS and Crab is only just now getting into the position from qb. Crab has good skills and is great in the tech system but Dez would be a star anywhere at anyplace and will be 1st round pick. not that Crab also wont but I like Dez to have the better pro career. They are both great wrs but I just thnk Dez has that something extra that makes him better and will show it against tech this weekend and help get TEXAS back to the Big12 champ.

\m/

[slorch]

Boy I was really being a homer with my Dez pick huh? ;)

I used the smiley dammit!

I was joking, but we all know you voted for Dez because he's from Lufkin.:D

Not a homer pick though...;)

[Favpack]

And to think Crab played qb in hs and Dez was about 19th on the punt return depth chart - what were they thinking?

[pack75]

you left out an important fact...Crabtree is playing on an injured ankle

Like my ol' coach used to say..."Excuses are like a butt-hole.....everybody got one." ;)

[Firebird]

Slorch is right on the money. Grab a tub of popcorn. Both of these players are sick. Arguing over who is better is pointless.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

On a scale of 1 to 5 (1 being good and 5 being great), I'll rank them like this..

Michael Crabtree (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBm8xvLfr2w)
Height - 6'3
Weight - 214
Leaping - 4
Speed - 4
Agility - 5
Balance - 5
Body Positioning/Use of - 5
Power - 5
Toughness - 5
Vision - 5
Route Running - 5
Hands - 5
Total - 48

Stats - 70 receptions/924 yds (13.2 ypr)/15 tds

Dez Bryant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7X4vZBvfe4)
Height - 6'2
Weight - 212
Leaping - 5
Speed - 5
Agility - 5
Balance - 4
Body Positioning/Use of - 5
Power - 4
Toughness - 5
Vision - 5
Route Running - 5
Hands - 5
Total - 48

Stats - 60 receptions/1054 yds (17.6 ypr)/15 tds w/ 290 PR yds and 2 tds

Having witnessed both of these WR's on the National level, in primetime, I've become more of a believer in both of the WR's. I can now say that without a doubt, these 2 WR's are in fact the best WR's in the Nation. I couldn't find a WR that was within 10 pts of their marks. Hell, I even did one of Calvin Johnson and he was about even with them.. just bigger. I feel that Dez is definitely faster than Crabtree, with Crabtree being more of a bruiser WR w/ excellent vision.

This will be a game in which we see both WR's have record setting days, barring any injury. If I was threatened to say who would have the best day I'd say Crabtree will have slightly better Receiving numbers but Dez have overall better numbers.

My prediction is..

Crabtree - 12 receptions/180 yds/2 tds
Bryant - 8 receptions/140 yds/2 tds w/ 60 PR yds and 1 td

[noods]

both are good, crab is better.

[slorch]

TGO , where's the blocking evaluation?"

signed,
Hines Ward

[ThEgReAtOnE]

TGO , where's the blocking evaluation?"

signed,
Hines Ward

It's with the tackling evaluation.

Signed,
Seneca Wallace (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-6eCfA4AvU)

[slorch]

It's with the tackling evaluation.

Signed,
Seneca Wallace (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-6eCfA4AvU)

nice.

[lonny23]

Crabtree won the game against Texas, but umm who beat Tech last season as a True Freshman :D yeah Dez scored the game winner right.

People that think Bryant cant run after the catch are mis informed just becuase he doesnt have to doesnt mean he cant ;). Are we forgetting the screen pass he beat Tech with last season.

Crabtree has seen 10 more catches then Bryant yet Bryant still drowrfs his #'s and has Crab retunred a punt for a TD yet in his career. Well Bryant has 2 this season so saying Crab is the better athlete well not what the overall stats imply. Both players are incredable WR's but yes with a little bit of homerism I vote Dez Bryant.

Also itching my crouch I approve this message.Try again. It was the big TE that Tech couldn't tackle.

TD 01:37 Brandon Pettigrew 54 Yd Pass From Zac Robinson (Jason Ricks Kick)
Drive: 1 plays, 54 yds, :12 45 49

[tayb]

oh please, what a weak argument. Do you know how bad his ankle is doctor? Your comparison is just spin. Crab caught the winning touchdown against the #1 team in the nation. Which is more important, YPC or winning games?

Yards per catch. Put Bryant in that situation he could have done exactly the same thing Crabtree did. It was a missed tackle... it wasn't an acrobatic catch where he tiptoed along the sidelines.

If I am playing fantasy college football and I get to draft one wide receiver... I'm drafting the one who has put up better numbers this year... and that person is Bryant. Not by much but that doesn't change the fact.

[lonny23]

Guys,

I checked the game logs for both players this year and Crab last year and this isn't even close.

Crab will outplay Dez and here's why:

1. Dez gets 3-4 TD and 200 yard games against bad teams to pad his numbers.
2. Dez doesn't score much in the 2nd half.
3. Dez doesn't score at all vs. the good teams.
4. Dez scores some important TD's, but not many.
5. Dez doesn't even get 100 yards vs. the good teams.
6. Crab plays great against good teams.
7. Crab scores almost every game.
8. Crab scores late.
9. Crab gets important TD's that take the lead and extend leads that are somewhat close. That has been common the last 2 years.
10. Crab just affects the game more and does it especially when you need him to.

[lonny23]

Yards per catch. Put Bryant in that situation he could have done exactly the same thing Crabtree did. It was a missed tackle... it wasn't an acrobatic catch where he tiptoed along the sidelines.

If I am playing fantasy college football and I get to draft one wide receiver... I'm drafting the one who has put up better numbers this year... and that person is Bryant. Not by much but that doesn't change the fact.
If I want to win, I take Crab. He's also a great blocker that springs big plays for Tech.

[tayb]

If I want to win, I take Crab. He's also a great blocker that springs big plays for Tech.

The question wasn't about winning it was who would have a bigger statistical day on Saturday.

[lonny23]

The question wasn't about winning it was who would have a bigger statistical day on Saturday.
After checking the game logs, Crabtree.

Dez vs. Mizzou

7-47 6.7 Avg. 0 TD's 14 long

Dez vs. Texas

6-74 12.3 0 23

Dez vs. Georgia 07

1 8 8.0 0 8

Dez vs. Tech 07

5 51 10.2 1 20

Dez vs. A&M 07

1 7 7.0 0 7

Dez vs. K-State 07

3 37 12.3 2 24

Dez vs. Texas 07

4 79 19.8 0 26

Dez vs. KU 07

8 155 19.4 1 39

Dez vs. OU 07

5 69 13.8 0 26

Dez vs. Indiana 07

9 117 13.0 2 30

That's 2 100 yard games and 6 TD's vs. BCS bowl teams and projected bowl teams in the last 2 years.

Crab 07:

9/22 @Oklahoma State 14-237 16.9 75 3
10/13 Texas A&M 8-170 21.3 54 0
10/20 @Missouri 10-76 7.6 16 0
10/27 Colorado 12-131 10.9 34 1
11/10 @Texas 9-195 21.7 69 2
11/17 Oklahoma 12-154 12.8 60 1
GATOR BOWL AT JACKSONVILLE FL @Virginia 9-101 11.2 29 1

Crab 08:

10/11 Nebraska 5-89 17.8 47 2
10/25 @Kansas 9-70 7.8 18 2
11/1 Texas 10-127 12.7 28 1

That's 7 100-yard games and 13 TD's in 10 games against BCS bowl teams and projected bowl teams.

[pied]

I wouldn't kick either one out of bed, so to speak.

[lonny23]

I wouldn't kick either one out of bed, so to speak.I didn't know you...wait, you're a Texas fan!:p

[slorch]

The question wasn't about winning it was who would have a bigger statistical day on Saturday.

nothing about stats in the Thread title or subtitles.

I am "anti-stat," if anything. Just ask TGO.

if one of these guys springs their teammates for big gains or even smple first downs because they make great blocks, then that would have to be included in any assessment of who had the best day.

[tayb]

nothing about stats in the Thread title or subtitles.

I am "anti-stat," if anything. Just ask TGO.

if one of these guys springs their teammates for big gains or even smple first downs because they make great blocks, then that would have to be included in any assessment of who had the best day.

View Poll Results: Who will have the best day- yards, catches, blocks

That is the poll question.

[slorch]

yep, blocks are included and I did not go back and edit the post.

Nothing about stats makes someone have the "biggest day."

[pack75]

http://a62.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/77/l_6d598ec27a6f006cbb86803a4bf31155.gif

[GameTyme]

To say Dez doesnt show up in Big games is not true. Why do you think Damian Davis caught 2 TD's against Mizzou maybe because they double team was on Dez, and Texas did what double teamed him. Tech is so Wide open that Crab doesnt see a double team every time plus Crab plays in the slot more then Dez. Dez alot of the times is 1 of 2 WR's on the field. Crab is always in 4 and 5 wide sets makes it alot harder to key in on him that way. Also you act as Crab was killing Texas if it wasnt for that last catch where the corner didnt even see the ball then crab finishes with what 8-9 catches for 89 yards okay so dont just say Crab abused Texas when in reality Britton should have gotten MVP for that game.

Also Dez wasnt the featured WR last season so I didnt expect him to put up monster #'s, but what happened when Bowman went down and what did Dez do compared to crab in a bowl game yeah it was Indiana, but their corner(Porter) went 1st Day and dez abused him, and this season at the beginning of the year I told everyone that Dez was going to put up insane #'s. Also dez didnt even play but 1 series against Western Illionoise and didnt even registered a catch. So Crab has played 1 whole more game then Dez and has more catches and Crab still cant put up Bryant #'s.:D

[slorch]

Who said he doesn't show up? That's crazy.

Oh it was just Lonny...:D

[GameTyme]

http://a62.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/77/l_6d598ec27a6f006cbb86803a4bf31155.gif


LMAO. No :Censor:. How hard can it be Gundy.

ALso im not so sure Bryant is not better then Crab running after the catch. Trust me when I say he can run after the catch almost as good as climbing the latter catching it at the highest point. But why bother worring about running after the catch when you can just thorw it up 40 yards down field and watch Dez go get it.

[slorch]

LMAO. No :Censor:. How hard can it be Gundy.

ALso im not so sure Bryant is not better then Crab running after the catch. Trust me when I say he can run after the catch almost as good as climbing the latter catching it at the highest point. But why bother worring about running after the catch when you can just thorw it up 40 yards down field and watch Dez go get it.

climb the LADDER...

Nobody is better than Crabtree after the catch. somebody most certainly may have better stats, but I'm talking about yards-after-contact and making people miss, as well as the great cuts he makes.

Kind of showed it on Saturday night a lil bit too.

maybe we'll get some more this week.:D

[pack0808]

I used the smiley dammit!

I was joking, but we all know you voted for Dez because he's from Lufkin.:D

Not a homer pick though...;)



That is not a homer pick and neither is saying that Lufkin's J Lane is the best shipley donut eater in the nation hands down. That is truly how I feel from the heart and I would never ever say a player is the best at something just because he is from my home town. I find your accusations and your dang smiley face very insulting and I thought we were friends? That was the final straw pal I am kicking you out of my friends list today. Washing my hands of you in my 5a profile.

[pack0808]

Guys,

I checked the game logs for both players this year and Crab last year and this isn't even close.

Crab will outplay Dez and here's why:

1. Dez gets 3-4 TD and 200 yard games against bad teams to pad his numbers.
2. Dez doesn't score much in the 2nd half.
3. Dez doesn't score at all vs. the good teams.
4. Dez scores some important TD's, but not many.
5. Dez doesn't even get 100 yards vs. the good teams.
6. Crab plays great against good teams.
7. Crab scores almost every game.
8. Crab scores late.
9. Crab gets important TD's that take the lead and extend leads that are somewhat close. That has been common the last 2 years.
10. Crab just affects the game more and does it especially when you need him to.

After reading this brilliant and well thought out post I am going to have to change my vote to crabtree. I will also let you on a little secret. I really believe the government is involved in a major conspiracy vs crabtree it is just my gut. Look into it Lonny and let me know if my intuition was correct.

[slorch]

That is not a homer pick and neither is saying that Lufkin's J Lane is the best shipley donut eater in the nation hands down. That is truly how I feel from the heart and I would never ever say a player is the best at something just because he is from my home town. I find your accusations and your dang smiley face very insulting and I thought we were friends? That was the final straw pal I am kicking you out of my friends list today. Washing my hands of you in my 5a profile.

I'm hurting on the inside man...:(

[lonny23]

After reading this brilliant and well thought out post I am going to have to change my vote to crabtree. I will also let you on a little secret. I really believe the government is involved in a major conspiracy vs crabtree it is just my gut. Look into it Lonny and let me know if my intuition was correct.
Hey, I just reported the numbers. Dez blows up against non-BCS teams and not BCS teams.

[pack0808]

Who said he doesn't show up? That's crazy.

Oh it was just Lonny...:D


First you call me a homer and now you have the nerve to call the great Lonny a homer? Baffled and stunned is a understatement. How do you sleep at night man?

[pack0808]

I'm hurting on the inside man...:(


You had it coming buster.

[slorch]

You and me- next LP game in Houston area

be there.

[pack0808]

Hey, I just reported the numbers. Dez blows up against non-BCS teams and not BCS teams.

As usual Lonny you are dead on with your analysis. I cannot believe that after watching Dez Bryant for almost 5 years now that I thought he was some type of freak/beast wr. I have been duped and I thank you for again showing me the light. Let the NFL scout's know this info immediately before they make a huge mistake selecting him as a top 10 pick in the draft one day. Thanks again for your help.

[pack0808]

You and me- next LP game in Houston area

be there.



Fine! Meet me in the parking lot at 7:00 sharp buster brown. It is on like donkey kong.

[slorch]

LMAO...

buster brown???

I guess it's pretty cool to have Will's cousin, Carlton, in our midst.

[pack0808]

LMAO...

buster brown???

I guess it's pretty cool to have Will's cousin, Carlton, in our midst.


Enough of the small talk! Just be there or be square.

[lonny23]

As usual Lonny you are dead on with your analysis. I cannot believe that after watching Dez Bryant for almost 5 years now that I thought he was some type of freak/beast wr. I have been duped and I thank you for again showing me the light. Let the NFL scout's know this info immediately before they make a huge mistake selecting him as a top 10 pick in the draft one day. Thanks again for your help.
Hey, he's got talent. I just want to see him come close to producing in the big games like the other games.

2008:

8/30 @Washington State W 39-13 7-90 12.9 avg. 19 long 0 TD's
9/6 Houston W 56-37 9-236 26.2 74 3
9/27 Troy W 55-24 6-118 19.7 44 3
10/4 Texas A&M W 56-28 5-106 21.2 29 3
10/11 @Missouri W 28-23 7-47 6.7 14 0
10/18 Baylor W 34-6 11-212 19.3 52 2
10/25 @Texas L 28-24 6-74 12.3 23 0
11/1 Iowa State W 59-17 9-171 19.0 80 4

It's not hard to see why I'm busting his chops a little.

[4th and 1]

1st half - TT vs OSU:

Crabtree - 6 rec., 2 td's
Bryant - 1 rec.

[slorch]

Dez- when you gonna break through that Wall?:D

[K-Rock]

Bryant - NADA

Should have made the TD catch at the end of the half.

[Dawg Fan]

Should have made the TD catch at the end of the half.

shoulda, coulda woulda

[K-Rock]

shoulda, coulda woulda

Exactly. If he wants to be great, he has to make that catch with authority.

[slorch]

Exactly. If he wants to be great, he has to make that catch with authority.

had the alligator arms on the throw just a few plays earklier.

hope dez doesn't get on track.

If hunter gets 100+ yards but Dez doesn't break out, Tech wins easily.

[4th and 1]

through 4 quarters:

Crabtree - 8 rec., 3 td's
Bryant - 4 rec.

[JMSFan]

Do any of you know what Crabtree's 40 time is? I heard its 4.55. That sounds slow. Someone help me out.

[Dawg Fan]

Well, I guess we all know who the better receiver is now.:notworthy

CrabTree > Bryant

[lonny23]

Guys,

I checked the game logs for both players this year and Crab last year and this isn't even close.

Crab will outplay Dez and here's why:

1. Dez gets 3-4 TD and 200 yard games against bad teams to pad his numbers.
2. Dez doesn't score much in the 2nd half.
3. Dez doesn't score at all vs. the good teams.
4. Dez scores some important TD's, but not many.
5. Dez doesn't even get 100 yards vs. the good teams.
6. Crab plays great against good teams.
7. Crab scores almost every game.
8. Crab scores late.
9. Crab gets important TD's that take the lead and extend leads that are somewhat close. That has been common the last 2 years.
10. Crab just affects the game more and does it especially when you need him to.This message was paid for by the "lonny for Crabtree committee" and I approve this message!:D

[pack0808]

This game proved nothing to me on who is the best wr between the 2. Dez had 2 people covering him where ever he went and okla st has a different offense then Tech. They are both great wr's and 2 of the best in the nation. simple as that.

[4th and 1]

Huge game (when it really matters) for both teams last night. Results speak for themselves - simple as that.

[lonny23]

This game proved nothing to me on who is the best wr between the 2. Dez had 2 people covering him where ever he went and okla st has a different offense then Tech. They are both great wr's and 2 of the best in the nation. simple as that.
I think Dez is a great player. His problem is Tech has a better offensive gameplan and thrower. Dez would be great in Lubbock.

[slorch]

I think Dez is a great player. His problem is Tech has a better offensive gameplan and thrower. Dez would be great in Lubbock.

So would Julio Jones...

[Mhs06]

So would Julio Jones...

And Gerald Jones...

[JMSFan]

So would Julio Jones...

And George Jones.

Can somebody (one of you diehard Tech fans should know) please tell me what is Crabtree's 40 time? I asked yesterday and Im still not getting an answer. Im starting to question the true level of Tech fans on this board.

Is it 4.55 or what? Thats the time I heard, and I want to know if its true or not.

[lonny23]

So would Julio Jones...
So would DeAndre Brown. I almost went down to the Southern Miss sideline at the Rice game and told him he should've been the 5 to replace "The 5".:D

Brown and Jones are both beasts and we didn't get either one of them.

[lonny23]

And George Jones.
Ol' drunk George would fit in well in Lubbock!:D

[JMSFan]

Ol' drunk George would fit in well in Lubbock!:D

He would, wouldnt he? :) I bet he could score a few TD's this year, considering the way Tech rolls up the points.

[TTURedRaider]

And George Jones.

Can somebody (one of you diehard Tech fans should know) please tell me what is Crabtree's 40 time? I asked yesterday and Im still not getting an answer. Im starting to question the true level of Tech fans on this board.

Is it 4.55 or what? Thats the time I heard, and I want to know if its true or not.

I've heard many numbers. Not sure if the 4.55 is when he was a freshman or not. I'd say it's more like 4.5 or sub 4.5.

Crabtree isn't the fastest guy in college football. But he doesn't have to be... He has good speed once he gets going and can cut on a dime.

[Dawg Fan]

Maybe ol Dez would like to transfer to Tech so he could really rack up the numbers. Probably become a top three pick in the NFL draft.;)

[JMSFan]

Maybe ol Dez would like to transfer to Tech so he could really rack up the numbers. Probably become a top three pick in the NFL draft.;)

He's gonna be a top three pick anyway, whether he's at Okie State or anywhere else.

[Favpack]

Dez will be gone as soon as reasonably possible to the draft. He's a top 4 wr pick this year - but he's not quite a Crabtree just yet. He runs inferior routes, but is a much more dynamic leaper. Crabs is all-around better right now. But, both would start on many NFL teams today.

[LPack007]

He's gonna be a top three pick anyway, whether he's at Okie State or anywhere else.

Exactly.

[GameTyme]

This game proved nothing to me on who is the best wr between the 2. Dez had 2 people covering him where ever he went and okla st has a different offense then Tech. They are both great wr's and 2 of the best in the nation. simple as that.

game provided nothing to prove who was better. Cant duble team crabtree because of the 4 and 5 wide sets and even in the 4 wide sets you have to worry about the backs flaring. Not to mention Crab plays in the slot some as well.

Dez was doubled the entire game. Cant really blame him for not catching the ball at half hell it was a hail mary, but he did drop the ball that Robinson underthrew:D.

Both guys are great but does Crab really run a 4.55.:eek: That has to be wrong.

[JMSFan]

game provided nothing to prove who was better. Cant duble team crabtree because of the 4 and 5 wide sets and even in the 4 wide sets you have to worry about the backs flaring. Not to mention Crab plays in the slot some as well.

Dez was doubled the entire game. Cant really blame him for not catching the ball at half hell it was a hail mary, but he did drop the ball that Robinson underthrew:D.

Both guys are great but does Crab really run a 4.55.:eek: That has to be wrong.

I hear what youre saying. I wish they could have found a way to get Dez more involved though.
I asked about the 4.55 time for Crabtree, cause someone told me that, and I was thinking that it is considered a slow time for the NFL wide receivers.

[GameTyme]

I've heard many numbers. Not sure if the 4.55 is when he was a freshman or not. I'd say it's more like 4.5 or sub 4.5.

Crabtree isn't the fastest guy in college football. But he doesn't have to be... He has good speed once he gets going and can cut on a dime.


Maybe not in college, but he might have trouble seperating himself in the NFL. I he shows up at the combine and runs a 4.55 I dont care if he racks up another belitnitcough just like Manningham his stock will fall. Also dont think Peter Warrick plays anymore wasnt near fast enough to play WR in the NFL but in college was the best WR in the country at FSU.

[GameTyme]

I hear what youre saying. I wish they could have found a way to get Dez more involved though.
I asked about the 4.55 time for Crabtree, cause someone told me that, and I was thinking that it is considered a slow time for the NFL wide receivers.


If he does run a 4.55 it is the fastest 4.55 I have ever seen. No doubt he might struggle a bit at the next level seperating himelf from faster corners, but crabs what 6'2 so he should be just fine. Just cant believe that he runs a 4.55 and im not hearing anyone come up faster #'s. Ill be honest I have no idea, but 4.55 cant be right he plays like a 4.3

[JMSFan]

If he does run a 4.55 it is the fastest 4.55 I have ever seen. No doubt he might struggle a bit at the next level seperating himelf from faster corners, but crabs what 6'2 so he should be just fine. Just cant believe that he runs a 4.55 and im not hearing anyone come up faster #'s. Ill be honest I have no idea, but 4.55 cant be right he plays like a 4.3

He does seem really quick, especially on the short slant routes. But Im thinking the same about him not being able to get seperation, at a 4.55, he wont be blowing past anyone in the NFL.
He has good size ( 6' 3 - 213 lbs is what ESPN listed) but will he be able to be physical off the line of scrimmage? The reason I ask is because I havent seen anyone play him that way yet. Most everyone gives him a 5 to 8 yd cushion. Sometimes more.

[slorch]

game provided nothing to prove who was better. Cant duble team crabtree because of the 4 and 5 wide sets and even in the 4 wide sets you have to worry about the backs flaring. Not to mention Crab plays in the slot some as well.

Dez was doubled the entire game. Cant really blame him for not catching the ball at half hell it was a hail mary, but he did drop the ball that Robinson underthrew:D.

Both guys are great but does Crab really run a 4.55.:eek: That has to be wrong.

The game provided loads of evidence. Dez had dropped balls. Crabtree had TDs.

I knew you were going to come on here and make some kind of lame-assed excuse.

Both players are great college players. Crabtree was better last season, and he is better this year too.

[slorch]

If he does run a 4.55 it is the fastest 4.55 I have ever seen. No doubt he might struggle a bit at the next level seperating himelf from faster corners, but crabs what 6'2 so he should be just fine. Just cant believe that he runs a 4.55 and im not hearing anyone come up faster #'s. Ill be honest I have no idea, but 4.55 cant be right he plays like a 4.3

how many times do you see him running a straight line? Even on those bubble screens, they require cuts and jukes to get free. I think straight line speed is highly overrated when you have all of the other tools Crabtree has. I keep hearing folks compare him with Michael Irvin. irvin certainly wasn't a burner. crab plays tough, too, but I don't know if he's THAT tough...yet.

[JMSFan]

how many times do you see him running a straight line? Even on those bubble screens, they require cuts and jukes to get free. I think straight line speed is highly overrated when you have all of the other tools Crabtree has. I keep hearing folks compare him with Michael Irvin. irvin certainly wasn't a burner. crab plays tough, too, but I don't know if he's THAT tough...yet.

He is the same size as T.O., Anquan Boldin, and a few others. Yea, even Irvin. The thing that makes them better is the physical play at the line of scrimmage and maybe he will become a player like them.
I believe Dez already has the toughness factor, but needs to become a more polished route runner. But either way, both of them will be playing on Sundays. no doubt.

[GameTyme]

The game provided loads of evidence. Dez had dropped balls. Crabtree had TDs.

I knew you were going to come on here and make some kind of lame-assed excuse.

Both players are great college players. Crabtree was better last season, and he is better this year too.


That Tech had a better defense then OSU and that Tech double teamed Dez. No not an excuse just common sense. Maybe something Obama will bring to this country :D.

Dez 4 catches 86 yards 21.5 YPC

Crabs 8 catches 89 yards 11.1 YPC 3 TD's.


Wow Slorch if this game did provide it all for me who the clear cut best is. The only thing it proves is that Crab is the Javorskie Lane of WR's


By Common opponets (TAMU & UT)

Crab 18 for 198 3 TD's

Dez 11 for 180 4 TD's

Crab doesnt come close to proving he is better only proves that it could go either way just who you like. Dez gets you more on less catches and can also return kicks. Crab needs twice as many balls to put up Bryant #'s which indicates to me why his #'s are yes system inflated.

[GameTyme]

I hear what youre saying. I wish they could have found a way to get Dez more involved though.
I asked about the 4.55 time for Crabtree, cause someone told me that, and I was thinking that it is considered a slow time for the NFL wide receivers.


It has gotten to the point that teams have given up on 1 DB playing Dez cant work. Not to mention I dont think Zac has the arm strength to force the ball into tight spots unlike Harrell has. Give Crab credit but he is playing with a better QB and in a offensive system that inflates #'s. Harrell threw for what 400+ so I expect Crab to put up bigger #'s then Dez. but whats funny overall in the season it seems as if Dez is putting up better #'s with less opportunities. Crab has what 1 more TD then Dez in a system that is suppose to inflate #'s come on. Hope Crab enjoys it now because if he doesnt shave that 4.55 into a 4.44 he will loose a few mill in the pockett book, and he better go now because after next season Bryant even if Crab is gone or not will be the #1 WR taken in the draft.

[lonny23]

The game provided loads of evidence. Dez had dropped balls. Crabtree had TDs.

I knew you were going to come on here and make some kind of lame-assed excuse.

Both players are great college players. Crabtree was better last season, and he is better this year too.
This thread is proof positive that most people's opinion around here isn't worth what I leave on toilet paper. Dez Bryant love is too personal for LP fans and it's comical. I hate David Carter High School, but I sure love Crabtree. Opinions should never be based upon who you like more. They should based upon hard evidence. I like Baron Batch, but I'm not going to call him the best RB in college!:D

[lonny23]

That Tech had a better defense then OSU and that Tech double teamed Dez. No not an excuse just common sense. Maybe something Obama will bring to this country :D.

Dez 4 catches 86 yards 21.5 YPC

Crabs 8 catches 89 yards 11.1 YPC 3 TD's.


Wow Slorch if this game did provide it all for me who the clear cut best is. The only thing it proves is that Crab is the Javorskie Lane of WR's


By Common opponets (TAMU & UT)

Crab 18 for 198 3 TD's

Dez 11 for 180 4 TD's

Crab doesnt come close to proving he is better only proves that it could go either way just who you like. Dez gets you more on less catches and can also return kicks. Crab needs twice as many balls to put up Bryant #'s which indicates to me why his #'s are yes system inflated.
Crab did that with a broken bone in his foot against A&M and Texas. He got hurt in the A&M game returning a kickoff.

[slorch]

It has gotten to the point that teams have given up on 1 DB playing Dez cant work even though Dez puckered up and had a terrible case of alligator arms, he laid another egg on the road. . Even though my own defense was dropping 7 and eight players at a time, they couldn't shut down Crabtree. Not to mention I dont think Zac has the arm strength to force the ball into tight spots unlike Harrell has. Give Crab credit but he is playing with a better QB and in a offensive system that inflates #'s. Harrell threw for what 400+ so I expect Crab to put up bigger #'s then Dez. but whats funny overall in the season it seems as if Dez is putting up better #'s against the crappy opponents but Crab steps up against the toughies. Crab has what 1 more TD then Dez in a system that is suppose to inflate #'s come on. Hope Crab enjoys working for free now because the NFL value a precise route runner that has great hands, agility, and blocks for his teammates downfield., and he better go now because after next season the NFL will be changing the rookie pay tiers, so even professionally, Crab will once again be ahead of Dez. Bryant even if Crab is gone or not will be the #1 WR taken in the draft.

you didn't read my post about straightline speed did ya?

[Dawg Fan]

Crabtree> Bryant

and it isn't even close:notworthy

[Rockets8805]

Crabtree> Bryant

and it isn't even close:notworthy


ah, i agree...both r great, but from what ive seen, Dez has a habit of disappearing when needed most...but again, my opinion...Crabtree just seems liek one of those players that you can't stop him, you can only hope to contain him, but more than likely, it aint gonna happen

[GameTyme]

you didn't read my post about straightline speed did ya?


Tell Mario Manningham that. He went from a lottery pick to free falling in the draft.

I agree with you that it is overrated but scouts dont like 4.55 Wr's. So im starting to get the impression that he does really runa 4.55:D.

[GameTyme]

I just look at their common opponets(UT and TAMU) and I cant help but to think that Crabd needs twice as many balls as does Bryant to put up #'s. Crab is great but once against some of you fail to realize that his #'s are system inflated. Just common sense, and then to say its not even close ot stupid. I admit it could go either way, but give me they guy who is not protected in a system.:D

Then some of you act as if Crab dominated OSU well he had 4 more catches then Dez and had what 5 more yards ok Crab lovers I think he is better then dez:rolleyes:. Yeah Bryant dropped an underthrown pass but um Crab dropped one that nailed him right in his hands but dont let me hold that against him :D. Comical whats comical is that Crabtree needs the ball twice as much as Dez to put up Dez #'s and news flash Bryant still leads in total yardage between the two. Oh Crab can run after the catch :confused: ok he is averaing what 14 YPC so he must not be getting to far after the catch is he.

[GameTyme]

Crabtree> Bryant

and it isn't even close:notworthy


LMAO. Crabtree goes off for 89 yards on 8 catches while Dez had 4 for 85. Wow and then I look at common opponets and realize that Crab is not nearly as far ahead as some of you think he is.

Wait Crab has a bum ankle or he is playing with a broken bone in this. Right but yet he can jump and do everything when he scores a TD but when is held under 100 yards for the what 4th time this season its because his ankles.:D. Ill let you all keep Crabs and Ill stick with my homer pick in Dez.

[JMSFan]

LMAO. Crabtree goes off for 89 yards on 8 catches while Dez had 4 for 85. Wow and then I look at common opponets and realize that Crab is not nearly as far ahead as some of you think he is.

Wait Crab has a bum ankle or he is playing with a broken bone in this. Right but yet he can jump and do everything when he scores a TD but when is held under 100 yards for the what 4th time this season its because his ankles.:D. Ill let you all keep Crabs and Ill stick with my homer pick in Dez.

Dont confuse them with numbers and facts. :rolleyes:

[Dawg Fan]

LMAO. Crabtree goes off for 89 yards on 8 catches while Dez had 4 for 85. Wow and then I look at common opponets and realize that Crab is not nearly as far ahead as some of you think he is.

Wait Crab has a bum ankle or he is playing with a broken bone in this. Right but yet he can jump and do everything when he scores a TD but when is held under 100 yards for the what 4th time this season its because his ankles.:D. Ill let you all keep Crabs and Ill stick with my homer pick in Dez.

you do remind me of homer....Simpson that is:p

Truth is you can post numbers all you want but it is victories that count and the fact is when the game is on the line I'll bet everyone takes Crabtree. Keep your numbers against inferior teams if it makes you feel good. I'll take game winning double coverage catches to beat the #1 team in the nation EVERY time.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Dawg Fan]

Dont confuse them with numbers and facts. :rolleyes:

as opposed to you, who is just plain confused:p;)

[pack0808]

Any of you crab lovers want to bet who will be the higher draft pick one day? Dez is a true soph and a easily one of the best wr's in the nation period. Has nothing to with LP homerism Lonny? :rolleyes: and for you to get onto anybody about being homer is comical to say the least. I have never seen anybody go to the length's you do with your team's and players in my life. I am very honest with my assessment of players regardless if they are from my home town ask any LP fan. Dez is one of the best no doubt and so is crabtree and arguing who is better is a waste of time.

[lonny23]

I just look at their common opponets(UT and TAMU) and I cant help but to think that Crabd needs twice as many balls as does Bryant to put up #'s. Crab is great but once against some of you fail to realize that his #'s are system inflated. Just common sense, and then to say its not even close ot stupid. I admit it could go either way, but give me they guy who is not protected in a system.:D

Then some of you act as if Crab dominated OSU well he had 4 more catches then Dez and had what 5 more yards ok Crab lovers I think he is better then dez:rolleyes:. Yeah Bryant dropped an underthrown pass but um Crab dropped one that nailed him right in his hands but dont let me hold that against him :D. Comical whats comical is that Crabtree needs the ball twice as much as Dez to put up Dez #'s and news flash Bryant still leads in total yardage between the two. Oh Crab can run after the catch :confused: ok he is averaing what 14 YPC so he must not be getting to far after the catch is he.Dude, Crab has been playing hurt for weeks. I can't tell you how many times I've seen him come off the field limping just to go back in a few plays later.

[lonny23]

LMAO. Crabtree goes off for 89 yards on 8 catches while Dez had 4 for 85. Wow and then I look at common opponets and realize that Crab is not nearly as far ahead as some of you think he is.

Wait Crab has a bum ankle or he is playing with a broken bone in this. Right but yet he can jump and do everything when he scores a TD but when is held under 100 yards for the what 4th time this season its because his ankles.:D. Ill let you all keep Crabs and Ill stick with my homer pick in Dez.Crab does not have all his explosiveness. Yes, he still affects the game, but he's not nearly what he should be.

[lonny23]

Any of you crab lovers want to bet who will be the higher draft pick one day? Dez is a true soph and a easily one of the best wr's in the nation period. Has nothing to with LP homerism Lonny? :rolleyes: and for you to get onto anybody about being homer is comical to say the least. I have never seen anybody go to the length's you do with your team's and players in my life. I am very honest with my assessment of players regardless if they are from my home town ask any LP fan. Dez is one of the best no doubt and so is crabtree and arguing who is better is a waste of time.There's not really much else we can say about Dez. You can't blame us for questioning him when he consistently doesn't produce nearly as much against good teams. I know he has talent, but I also know he's not the same when you really need him.

[GameTyme]

you do remind me of homer....Simpson that is:p

Truth is you can post numbers all you want but it is victories that count and the fact is when the game is on the line I'll bet everyone takes Crabtree. Keep your numbers against inferior teams if it makes you feel good. I'll take game winning double coverage catches to beat the #1 team in the nation EVERY time.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Crabtree hasnt been exactly lighting it up himself against top competition. Truth is the only thing we can really go by is common opponets and well Dez has the slight edge IMO. Do I think Crab is great yes without a doubt, but Dez has proven he can do more with less am I not right. I believe we will see Dez seperate himself from Crab in the NFL. I know speed isnt everything, but their is a reason why Peter Warrick was a college legend and an NFL bust. Now I dont think Crab will become a bust I think he will become a great WR just maybe in the Slot.

Basucally you askin me do I want Gabriale Union or Meghan Goodman. Truth is cant go wrong either way if you know what im talking bout.:D

[slorch]

Any of you crab lovers want to bet who will be the higher draft pick one day? Dez is a true soph and a easily one of the best wr's in the nation period. Has nothing to with LP homerism Lonny? :rolleyes: and for you to get onto anybody about being homer is comical to say the least. I have never seen anybody go to the length's you do with your team's and players in my life. I am very honest with my assessment of players regardless if they are from my home town ask any LP fan. Dez is one of the best no doubt and so is crabtree and arguing who is better is a waste of time.

the discussion was who would have the bigger game last Saturday, not who would be best on any given Sunday...

Going by current trends, looks like Dez will have about 4 good games a year in the NFL though( 8 home games, probably half against weaker opponenents...);):D

You're right, they're so close if you just look at stats.

[lonny23]

Crabtree hasnt been exactly lighting it up himself against top competition. Truth is the only thing we can really go by is common opponets and well Dez has the slight edge IMO. Do I think Crab is great yes without a doubt, but Dez has proven he can do more with less am I not right. I believe we will see Dez seperate himself from Crab in the NFL. I know speed isnt everything, but their is a reason why Peter Warrick was a college legend and an NFL bust. Now I dont think Crab will become a bust I think he will become a great WR just maybe in the Slot.

Basucally you askin me do I want Gabriale Union or Meghan Goodman. Truth is cant go wrong either way if you know what im talking bout.:D
You seem to forget a few things:

1. Crab was crazy good in 07.
2. Crab has been hurt in half the 08 games.
3. Tech is spreading the ball around.
4. If you have 1 play to make and need to throw, the ball is going to Crab, not Dez.
5. Dez has never scored a road TD when you need people to step up.
6. Dez has also never had 100 yards in a road game.
7. Dez did get 155 on Kansas in a home game and 117 on Indiana in the bowl last year. He's never had 100 yards on another BCS conference team with a winning record.
8. Dez's big games this year were against Houston, Troy, Baylor, A&M, and Iowa State. He did not score or have 100 yards on Wazzu, Mizzou, Texas, or Tech.
9. Dez has 4 career TD's against BCS conference teams who played in or will play in bowls.
10. Here is what Crab has done to BCS teams who were/are bowl teams:

07 Okie Lite 237 and 3 TD's
07 A&M 170 and 0
07 Mizzou 76 and 0
07 Colorado 131 and 1
07 Texas 195 and 2
07 OU 154 and 1
07 UVA 101 and 1
08 Nebraska 89 and 2
08 Kansas 70 and 2
08 Texas 127 and 1
08 Okie Lite 89 and 3

That's over 100 yards in 7 of his 11 career games vs. BCS teams with winning records. It's also 16 TD's, which is a lot better than 4 for Dez.
11. As far as your stupid argument about needing twice as many catches, a big part of the deal is Bryant gets more deep balls than Crab does. I was at the game and Crab played a much larger role than Dez and it wasn't because Tech had all their focus on him. Until Dez plays better on the road, I'm not giving him equal status with Crab.

[lonny23]

the discussion was who would have the bigger game last Saturday, not who would be best on any given Sunday...

Going by current trends, looks like Dez will have about 4 good games a year in the NFL though( 8 home games, probably half against weaker opponenents...);):D

You're right, they're so close if you just look at stats.
I can't knock Dez's talent, but so far he's the guy that scores 20 points in a b-ball blowout loss and 15 came in the 4th quarter.

There really is something wrong when you have 16 touchdowns in 5 home games, no TD's on the road, and no TD's vs. good teams. Even though the OU game is at home, he'll probably tank that game.

I'll take Crab scoring a TD in 13 straight games over Dez flexing for 200 and 3 against the Troy's of the world and not scoring on Texas or Mizzou-type teams. I'm sorry, but he has not produced when the team needs his talent the most. I don't know if it's him, Robinson, Gumby or what. I just know he doesn't play big-time in big games yet.

People wouldn't be able to double cover Dez if OSU actually had somebody else to throw to besides Pettigrew. Even if you double somebody, the best are supposed to break free to make an impact to an extent.

[lonny23]

the discussion was who would have the bigger game last Saturday, not who would be best on any given Sunday...

Going by current trends, looks like Dez will have about 4 good games a year in the NFL though( 8 home games, probably half against weaker opponenents...);):D

You're right, they're so close if you just look at stats.My money is on Crab being better in the NFL, too. You know Crab is going to play pretty good in big games. I don't know if Dez will.

[slorch]

I can't knock Dez's talent, but so far he's the guy that scores 20 points in a b-ball blowout loss and 15 came in the 4th quarter.

There really is something wrong when you have 16 touchdowns in 5 home games, no TD's on the road, and no TD's vs. good teams. Even though the OU game is at home, he'll probably tank that game.

I'll take Crab scoring a TD in 13 straight games over Dez flexing for 200 and 3 against the Troy's of the world and not scoring on Texas or Mizzou-type teams. I'm sorry, but he has not produced when the team needs his talent the most. I don't know if it's him, Robinson, Gumby or what. I just know he doesn't play big-time in big games yet.

People wouldn't be able to double cover Dez if OSU actually had somebody else to throw to besides Pettigrew. Even if you double somebody, the best are supposed to break free to make an impact to an extent.

I think the play of the year, at least from Tech's point of view, there were certainly two defenders covering Crabtree...

[lonny23]

I think the play of the year, at least from Tech's point of view, there were certainly two defenders covering Crabtree...
Everything that I've heard so far says it's the play of the year in college football.

I know the crazy catch was awesome, but Crab's grab has gotten more run.

[pied]

I was more impressed overall w/Crabtree's play against OkState than Texas(w/the exception of the last play of course), but also admit that I could am somewha biased. In last week's game he pretty showed everything, and played a very very complete game. His strength is his best asset at this point in my opinion.

[lonny23]

I was more impressed overall w/Crabtree's play against OkState than Texas(w/the exception of the last play of course), but also admit that I could am somewha biased. In last week's game he pretty showed everything, and played a very very complete game. His strength is his best asset at this point in my opinion.
What you see from Crab right now isn't half what he would be if he was healthy. If Crab was healthy, Tech would be piledriving everybody. Outside of the 28 yard catch to beat Texas, his longest catch since he got hurt is 18 yards. He's not getting the 40, 50, on up to 80 yard catches anymore.

[lonny23]

Here's some 3rd hand info I read about the OSU game. It might be true. I'm just reporting it.

"He was talking to one of the Tech CB, and asked what they did to shut down Dez. The CB told him Hines at some point in the first half, hit Dez so hard under his jaw the Tech CB heard Dez's jaw pop. The Tech CB said he actually thought Hines broke Dez's jaw. This comes from obviously Wall, LA, or Nickerson. The CB said that really broke Dez's spirit the rest of the game. I don't know if anyone noticed but Hines played almost all, if not the whole game."

and

"Thanks for posting JT. I re-watched the o$u game over the past couple nights, and what stuck out to me the 2nd time was how many hard hits Hines came up with. I also noticed it was Hines who closed in on Bryant when DB got alligator arms on that long bomb pass he dropped."

[pack0808]

the discussion was who would have the bigger game last Saturday, not who would be best on any given Sunday...

Going by current trends, looks like Dez will have about 4 good games a year in the NFL though( 8 home games, probably half against weaker opponenents...);):D

You're right, they're so close if you just look at stats.


Yall can beat up the stat book (ignore overall stats) and make it how you want to all day long but I still will take Dez over any wr in the nation. He is only going to get better!

If some cannot understand why Dez was limited the other night then they are blind when it comes to football. double teamed the whole game and Okie st was trying to run and go to other places because Tech was doing their best to take Dez out of the game. Simple logic! Texas did the same thing vs Dez! He still had like 4 catches for 80 plus yards either way. Hard to be dominant when a team selects one player they want to try and take away. They had 2 players covering him the whole night! That is not a excuse that is a legit reason and common sense.

[GameTyme]

Yall can beat up the stat book (ignore overall stats) and make it how you want to all day long but I still will take Dez over any wr in the nation. He is only going to get better!

If some cannot understand why Dez was limited the other night then they are blind when it comes to football. double teamed the whole game and Okie st was trying to run and go to other places because Tech was doing their best to take Dez out of the game. Simple logic! Texas did the same thing vs Dez! He still had like 4 catches for 80 plus yards either way. Hard to be dominant when a team selects one player they want to try and take away. They had 2 players covering him the whole night! That is not a excuse that is a legit reason and common sense.


stats dont matter here. Then they act as if Crabtree has dominated tough teams. Please based on common opponets Dez is clearly better. Like I said Crab needs twice as many balls as Dez to produce Bryant like #'s. What is even funnier is they come on here after Crabstrees lack luster performance against OSU and you would think he had 200 yards nope only 89 with 3 Javorskie Lane TD's right :D. Crabtree #'s are nothing more from a product of the system while Dez on the other hand plays in a balanced offense. Oh here comes the argument well we spread the ball around and Crab still have more catches then Dez and less yard. Yeah excuse me for thinking Dez is better. Not only does Dez put up better #'s he gives you more value because unlike Crab he can return punts.

Ok I know Crab is hurt but can do cart wheels in the endzone after catching a 5 yard out for a TD.

[Mhs06]

Mehhh. You can look at yards per catch if you want. It is common for Tech to throw out short passes, including passes to crabtree. Since Dez is only a deep threat on his team, of course his YPC will be a little more, but Crabtree does it all for us.

Oh, and you can look at the only punt return he did all season...against Texas A&M...and realize that's where he got his injury in the first place. Tech didn't want to play him there for that very reason, and the only time we do it...he gets hurt. They aren't going to let him do that anymore. Oh, and it was also for 50 yards.

[lonny23]

Mehhh. You can look at yards per catch if you want. It is common for Tech to throw out short passes, including passes to crabtree. Since Dez is only a deep threat on his team, of course his YPC will be a little more, but Crabtree does it all for us.

Oh, and you can look at the only punt return he did all season...against Texas A&M...and realize that's where he got his injury in the first place. Tech didn't want to play him there for that very reason, and the only time we do it...he gets hurt. They aren't going to let him do that anymore. Oh, and it was also for 50 yards.
I see media voting Crab in the Top 3 for Heisman (Some, not most) but I see no Dez.

Sure Dez will get better, but this is his 2nd year playing just like Crab. OK, Crab had a redshirt year, but he's also a QB who converted to WR in college.

[slorch]

Mehhh. You can look at yards per catch if you want. It is common for Tech to throw out short passes, including passes to crabtree. Since Dez is only a deep threat on his team, of course his YPC will be a little more, but Crabtree does it all for us.

Oh, and you can look at the only punt return he did all season...against Texas A&M...and realize that's where he got his injury in the first place. Tech didn't want to play him there for that very reason, and the only time we do it...he gets hurt. They aren't going to let him do that anymore. Oh, and it was also for 50 yards.

that was a KO return and was the dumbest single decision by this coaching staff this year.

No need to get "cute" when things are coming together so well...

[slorch]

Yall can beat up the stat book (ignore overall stats) and make it how you want to all day long but I still will take Dez over any wr in the nation. He is only going to get better!

If some cannot understand why Dez was limited the other night then they are blind when it comes to football. double teamed the whole game and Okie st was trying to run and go to other places because Tech was doing their best to take Dez out of the game. Simple logic! Texas did the same thing vs Dez! He still had like 4 catches for 80 plus yards either way. Hard to be dominant when a team selects one player they want to try and take away. They had 2 players covering him the whole night! That is not a excuse that is a legit reason and common sense.

So crabtree has had single coverage all season? When these teams are dropping 7 and 8 defenders, who the hell else would they double before crabtree?

[pack0808]

So crabtree has had single coverage all season? When these teams are dropping 7 and 8 defenders, who the hell else would they double before crabtree?

Never said that but there is no comparison on which player is being doubled much more and that is clearly dez for many reasons. Tech has a offense that has so many other weapons that it would basically be suicide to double any 1 wr. That is what makes their offense so good. Hard to double 1 wr when that team is running 4 and 5 wr sets with quality wr's at each position. Ok st is a completely different O and rely on their running game much more then Tech.

[slorch]

Never said that but there is no comparison on which player is being doubled much more and that is clearly dez for many reasons. Tech has a offense that has so many other weapons that it would basically be suicide to double any 1 wr. That is what makes their offense so good. Hard to double 1 wr when that team is running 4 and 5 wr sets with quality wr's at each position. Ok st is a completely different O and rely on their running game much more then Tech.

Don't know how many Tech games you've seen this year. Teams have consistently dropped 7 to 8 into coverage, to cover 5 possible receivers, 4 if the RB stays in to block.

If crabtree isn't drawing doubles, then you must be suggesting everyone runs a zone against us, or that someone else is drawing the double.

I ask again, who would draw the DT before Crabtree?

If they run a zone, they are dead.

If they don't double Crabtree, they are dead.

maybe people are not doubling Crabtree:rolleyes:. Whatever they are doing, certainly isn't working. To suggest crabtree has had less focus by opposing defenses than Bryant, when Dez is also complemented by Pettigrew and Hunter's running game is just wrong.

[pack0808]

Don't know how many Tech games you've seen this year. Teams have consistently dropped 7 to 8 into coverage, to cover 5 possible receivers, 4 if the RB stays in to block.

If crabtree isn't drawing doubles, then you must be suggesting everyone runs a zone against us, or that someone else is drawing the double.

I ask again, who would draw the DT before Crabtree?

If they run a zone, they are dead.

If they don't double Crabtree, they are dead.

maybe people are not doubling Crabtree:rolleyes:. Whatever they are doing, certainly isn't working. To suggest crabtree has had less focus by opposing defenses than Bryant, when Dez is also complemented by Pettigrew and Hunter's running game is just wrong.


And to suggest that crabtree is being doubled as much as dez is wrong also. We are wasting our time on this both are great wr's and both are 2 of the best in nation. Let's just agree to disagree on who is better.



And that is it buddy. I am bringing my kids star wars light saber when we meet in parking lot to settle our differences. You are no match for a jedi. LMFAO!

[lonny23]

This link is the essence of who Crabtree is. He has his priorities in order and is a great guy. When they were doing the ESPN postgame set after the Texas game, I was one of the people standing around hollering "One more year." Ultimately, I don't think he leaves after this year as much for the money as he'll leave to play against better players.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=jn-crabtree111408&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Dawg Fan]

Yall can beat up the stat book (ignore overall stats) and make it how you want to all day long but I still will take Dez over any wr in the nation. He is only going to get better!

If some cannot understand why Dez was limited the other night then they are blind when it comes to football. double teamed the whole game and Okie st was trying to run and go to other places because Tech was doing their best to take Dez out of the game. Simple logic! Texas did the same thing vs Dez! He still had like 4 catches for 80 plus yards either way. Hard to be dominant when a team selects one player they want to try and take away. They had 2 players covering him the whole night! That is not a excuse that is a legit reason and common sense.

So Dez will get better but Crabtree won't? I suggest O-State develop more receivers because right now no receiver is better than Crabtree in big games. The stats and the wins prove it. You are entitled to your opinion but then again so is everyone else.

[lonny23]

So Dez will get better but Crabtree won't? I suggest O-State develop more receivers because right now no receiver is better than Crabtree in big games. The stats and the wins prove it. You are entitled to your opinion but then again so is everyone else.
I don't personally know Dez and I don't know who among the LP faihtful does, but it's not going to be easy for Dez to be better than Crab because that boy is just focused on football and getting better. My favorite quote from Crab last year as a Freshman was , "I wanted to break the team TD record and it took me 5 games." It's drive and goals like those that end up driving you to be an all-time great. Emmitt had a bunch of goals mapped out long before he became a pro. Irvin is the type of guy to push Crab to keep working hard like he always did. Irvin never took a practice or scrimmage off. He always worked hard and so does Crab.

I really don't care what happens with the Cowboys this year. My only goal for them is I want them to find a way to get Crabtree.

[slorch]

And to suggest that crabtree is being doubled as much as dez is wrong also. We are wasting our time on this both are great wr's and both are 2 of the best in nation. Let's just agree to disagree on who is better.



And that is it buddy. I am bringing my kids star wars light saber when we meet in parking lot to settle our differences. You are no match for a jedi. LMFAO!

your light saber is useless against my white lightning...

[4th and 1]

CRABTREE - hands down - no comparison - not even close

[pack0808]

your light saber is useless against my white lightning...

omg hahahahahahahahaha! classic man!

[pack0808]

CRABTREE - hands down - no comparison - not even close

All you can do is laugh at majorly biased and blind comments like that. Pointless to argue with ignorance. So I will just say okie dokie if you say so man but my daddy can beat up yours.

[abileneeagles311]

i'm gonna have to go with crabtree