There is no such thing as scoring too quickly...

[KT2000]

I listened to the talk radio on the way to and from work, and callers were complaining about Texas' clock management on the drive when they took the lead (33-32) with a minute and a half left. They said Texas should have run more time off the clock.

I don't believe there is such a thing as scoring too quickly when you are down by six points on the road. I think you take the points however and whenever you can get them in the heat of battle. Now, if you are tied or down by 1-3 points I think we have a different argument because then you've got more options.

But when you need at least a TD to win, I don't believe there is such a thing as scoring too quickly. Take the points however you get them and then worry about the rest once that happens. You can't take for granted that you are going to score a touchdown in that situation. I think it's Monday morning QB logic to suggest otherwise, but maybe that's just me.

[tayb]

As I was watching the game I was screaming to let the clock run down.

We had two timeouts and second and goal from the 4 or so with 1:39 on the clock. Should have let the snap clock run down to 1 second before snapping the ball. If we get stuffed we run another play from 3rd and 4 and wait until about 45 seconds left. If we get stuffed again call a timeout and figure out a play to run on 4th down.

There was no reason to try to punch it in that quickly. Either we are going to score or we are not. I would rather let the game end with our offense on the field than let them march down the field and win the game like they did. I knew the minute he snapped the ball with so much time remaining we were going to lose.

[pied]

I agree with you, but when you have 2nd and goal from the 4 and two timeouts, you have all the time you need. When the clock started after the injury, the staff should have told them to hang for 10-15 seconds before going to the line.

[cajun]

I listened to the talk radio on the way to and from work, and callers were complaining about Texas' clock management on the drive when they took the lead (33-32) with a minute and a half left. They said Texas should have run more time off the clock.

I don't believe there is such a thing as scoring too quickly when you are down by six points on the road. I think you take the points however and whenever you can get them in the heat of battle. Now, if you are tied or down by 1-3 points I think we have a different argument because then you've got more options.

But when you need at least a TD to win, I don't believe there is such a thing as scoring too quickly. Take the points however you get them and then worry about the rest once that happens. You can't take for granted that you are going to score a touchdown in that situation. I think it's Monday morning QB logic to suggest otherwise, but maybe that's just me.

That's a tough one and why they pay these guys the big bucks...

I believe if you need 7 you had better get the 7 when you can...Gotta have faith in the Defense...

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I listened to the talk radio on the way to and from work, and callers were complaining about Texas' clock management on the drive when they took the lead (33-32) with a minute and a half left. They said Texas should have run more time off the clock.

I don't believe there is such a thing as scoring too quickly when you are down by six points on the road. I think you take the points however and whenever you can get them in the heat of battle. Now, if you are tied or down by 1-3 points I think we have a different argument because then you've got more options.

But when you need at least a TD to win, I don't believe there is such a thing as scoring too quickly. Take the points however you get them and then worry about the rest once that happens. You can't take for granted that you are going to score a touchdown in that situation. I think it's Monday morning QB logic to suggest otherwise, but maybe that's just me.

Welcome to the world of OU. In the RRS, I kept saying that OU and Texas were scoring too quickly.. and I was right. OU scored 5 tds; 8 plays in 80 yds, 8 plays in 74 yds, 6 plays in 73 yds, 6 plays in 51 yds and 11 plays in 76 yds. Texas scored 4 tds; 12 plays in 80 yds, 12 plays in 89 yds, 8 plays in 74 yds and 6 plays in 80 yds. That's 323 yds in 38 plays for Texas (8.5 yds per play). But, 354 yds in 39 plays (9.1 yds per play). If you add 2 more plays to each drive that takes more time off of the clock, but nets the same result.

Then again, it all comes down to whose team defense steps up... all game long. If Gideon catches the sure game winning interception, the Longhorns are still #1.

[Favpack]

Don't give up a 37 yard kickoff return.

[SLC]

As I was watching the game I was screaming to let the clock run down.

We had two timeouts and second and goal from the 4 or so with 1:39 on the clock. Should have let the snap clock run down to 1 second before snapping the ball. If we get stuffed we run another play from 3rd and 4 and wait until about 45 seconds left. If we get stuffed again call a timeout and figure out a play to run on 4th down.

There was no reason to try to punch it in that quickly. Either we are going to score or we are not. I would rather let the game end with our offense on the field than let them march down the field and win the game like they did. I knew the minute he snapped the ball with so much time remaining we were going to lose.



This is my feelings exactly... In my mind we were blowing people off the ball on that drive.. You have to take time off the clock... Put it in your offenses hand, not the young defense against that offense... Your in 4 down teritory anyway... So make sure you leave no time... I dont blame this young defense. I put it on the coaches who should have took it out of the young defenses hands and put it on the offense..

[patient1019]

I listened to the talk radio on the way to and from work, and callers were complaining about Texas' clock management on the drive when they took the lead (33-32) with a minute and a half left. They said Texas should have run more time off the clock.

I don't believe there is such a thing as scoring too quickly when you are down by six points on the road. I think you take the points however and whenever you can get them in the heat of battle. Now, if you are tied or down by 1-3 points I think we have a different argument because then you've got more options.

But when you need at least a TD to win, I don't believe there is such a thing as scoring too quickly. Take the points however you get them and then worry about the rest once that happens. You can't take for granted that you are going to score a touchdown in that situation. I think it's Monday morning QB logic to suggest otherwise, but maybe that's just me.

Everything's clearer in hindsight.

Especially to Monday Morning QBs.

[jtk1519]

Frankly, I don't think they expected to score as quickly as they did. Texas moved the ball with ease that drive and then the RB just waltzed in. Hard to really second guess a scoring drive, but I do wish they would have forced Tech to burn that last timeout. The reality is that Texas should have been needing to take a knee that last drive. Too many points too early were gift wrapped and handed to Tech. I don't really question scoring too early, but I do question in the first half bringing 8 pass rushers on 3rd and medium when you came in as the 2nd best sack defense in the nation despite blitzing on less than 7% of all snaps. Muschamp got too cute in that first half and it was just a little too much.

[twcpfan1]

I think there was a point during that drive when Tech was going to let them walk into the endzone so they get the ball back with enough time. Pirate Logic. Maybe it's just me.

[slorch]

between mack brown voting for OU ahead of Texas in the Coaches Poll and all of the Whornsfans saying there is no way Tech can beat OU and OSU, even though Texas did, I must admit they have convinced me of something.

TEXAS SUCKS!!!

[jtk1519]

between mack brown voting for OU ahead of Texas in the Coaches Poll and all of the Whornsfans saying there is no way Tech can beat OU and OSU, even though Texas did, I must admit they have convinced me of something.

TECHLAHOMA SUCKS!!!

Congrats on being relevant for a change.

[slorch]

Congrats on being relevant for a change.

congrats on continuing the arrogance of ******* UT!!!

I hate them worser than ever!

[jtk1519]

I think there was a point during that drive when Tech was going to let them walk into the endzone so they get the ball back with enough time. Pirate Logic. Maybe it's just me.

You don't ever willingly surrender a lead with less than 90 seconds left in a game. Especially considering Texas had all but shut down Tech in the second half. Tech's offense had scored just 3 second half points prior to that finally drive. Leach maybe a crazy drunk, but he's not that crazy.

[jtk1519]

congrats on continuing the arrogance of ******* UT!!!

I hate them worser than ever!

We appreciate your hate, loony. It keeps us warm at night.

[tayb]

congrats on continuing the arrogance of ******* UT!!!

I hate them worser than ever!

:)

[twcpfan1]

You don't ever willingly surrender a lead with less than 90 seconds left in a game. Especially considering Texas had all but shut down Tech in the second half. Tech's offense had scored just 3 second half points prior to that finally drive. Leach maybe a crazy drunk, but he's not that crazy.

I guess I was thinking more along the lines of Tech knowing they would not be able to stop Texas from scoring once in the red zone. Basically their only option.

[wesaxman34]

That's a tough one and why they pay these guys the big bucks...

I believe if you need 7 you had better get the 7 when you can...Gotta have faith in the Defense...

You have to have faith in the special teams and defense after the touchdown. I think jtk is right when he said Mack probably wasn't expecting to score as quickly as they did. When you have the momentum like Texas' offense did on that drive, I think it is best to keep it going without any stops, and take the points.

[jtk1519]

You have to have faith in the special teams and defense after the touchdown. I think jtk is right when he said Mack probably wasn't expecting to score as quickly as they did. When you have the momentum like Texas' offense did on that drive, I think it is best to keep it going without any stops, and take the points.

I agree. You take the points and trust a defense that had shut Tech down in the second half. Mack had a little too much faith in the defense, but considering the second half job they had done, it's hard to second guess that. Tech stepped up when they had to and Texas didn't. Simple as that really.

[tayb]

I agree. You take the points and trust a defense that had shut Tech down in the second half. Mack had a little too much faith in the defense, but considering the second half job they had done, it's hard to second guess that. Tech stepped up when they had to and Texas didn't. Simple as that really.

Nah I disagree. We have the ball at their end zone 2nd and goal. There is nothing at all to be gained from punching it in quickly. We are either going to score and give them plenty of time left, score and give them about 30 seconds left, or lose the game on a failed 4th down conversion. I don't see any reasoning for not letting the snap count go down to 1 before snapping the ball especially given the fact that we had two timeouts.

[slorch]

Baylor is looming. get over Lubbock.:Censor::cool:

[jtk1519]

Nah I disagree. We have the ball at their end zone 2nd and goal. There is nothing at all to be gained from punching it in quickly. We are either going to score and give them plenty of time left, score and give them about 30 seconds left, or lose the game on a failed 4th down conversion. I don't see any reasoning for not letting the snap count go down to 1 before snapping the ball especially given the fact that we had two timeouts.

I do wish they would have run the play clock down more, but if Gideon holds on to a sure INT, we're not having this discussion.

[Hookin'Em]

between mack brown voting for OU ahead of Texas in the Coaches Poll and all of the Whornsfans saying there is no way Tech can beat OU and OSU, even though Texas did, I must admit they have convinced me of something.

TEXAS SUCKS!!!
U got that wrong OU SUCKS

[GoOwls]

I listened to the talk radio on the way to and from work, and callers were complaining about Texas' clock management on the drive when they took the lead (33-32) with a minute and a half left. They said Texas should have run more time off the clock.

I don't believe there is such a thing as scoring too quickly when you are down by six points on the road. I think you take the points however and whenever you can get them in the heat of battle. Now, if you are tied or down by 1-3 points I think we have a different argument because then you've got more options.

But when you need at least a TD to win, I don't believe there is such a thing as scoring too quickly. Take the points however you get them and then worry about the rest once that happens. You can't take for granted that you are going to score a touchdown in that situation. I think it's Monday morning QB logic to suggest otherwise, but maybe that's just me.

Agreed.

How much crap would Mack have taken if they had played around trying to drag out the clock and not scored the TD?

You score the TD when you can and trust your defense to get a stop.....they almost did, but the two true freshmen in the secondary learned valuable, but costly lessons this weekend.

[lonny23]

I listened to the talk radio on the way to and from work, and callers were complaining about Texas' clock management on the drive when they took the lead (33-32) with a minute and a half left. They said Texas should have run more time off the clock.

I don't believe there is such a thing as scoring too quickly when you are down by six points on the road. I think you take the points however and whenever you can get them in the heat of battle. Now, if you are tied or down by 1-3 points I think we have a different argument because then you've got more options.

But when you need at least a TD to win, I don't believe there is such a thing as scoring too quickly. Take the points however you get them and then worry about the rest once that happens. You can't take for granted that you are going to score a touchdown in that situation. I think it's Monday morning QB logic to suggest otherwise, but maybe that's just me.
I typically think you can't score too quickly and you need to take the lead. That being said, you can argue that it's possible to score too quickly on Tech. For all his problems over the last 3 years, Harrell is a John Elway starter kit on comebacks. I knew we had plenty of time to score on Texas and expected we would. My biggest worry wasn't moving the ball and just hoping we wouldn't get a FG blocked. Then again, I go to enough Tech games to know how fast we can score.

[JMSFan]

I typically think you can't score too quickly and you need to take the lead. That being said, you can argue that it's possible to score too quickly on Tech. For all his problems over the last 3 years, Harrell is a John Elway starter kit on comebacks. I knew we had plenty of time to score on Texas and expected we would. My biggest worry wasn't moving the ball and just hoping we wouldn't get a FG blocked. Then again, I go to enough Tech games to know how fast we can score.

And thats because Tech is the greatest.

[lonny23]

And thats because Tech is the greatest.
No, I'm just giving the guy credit for his comebacks. We've cussed and discussed his bad games and getting behind, too.

[JMSFan]

No, I'm just giving the guy credit for his comebacks. We've cussed and discussed his bad games and getting behind, too.

Yeah. Harrell is good. Do you seriously believe that they can win out the conference schedule and the conference championship? I say they end up losing at least one. Probably the OU game, but I dont necessarily count OSU out either.

[SLC]

Nah I disagree. We have the ball at their end zone 2nd and goal. There is nothing at all to be gained from punching it in quickly. We are either going to score and give them plenty of time left, score and give them about 30 seconds left, or lose the game on a failed 4th down conversion. I don't see any reasoning for not letting the snap count go down to 1 before snapping the ball especially given the fact that we had two timeouts.

This was my exact thoughts as I was watching them drive... Everybody in the free world and beyond knew they were leaving to much time.. I dont put that on a defense that had given up half a thousand passing yards... Put it on your offense..

[Dawg Fan]

Yeah. Harrell is good. Do you seriously believe that they can win out the conference schedule and the conference championship? I say they end up losing at least one. Probably the OU game, but I dont necessarily count OSU out either.

I think he overtook McCoy in the heisman race and why wouldn't someone believe they win out? You can't get past your hate. You better hope UT doesn't have a letdown after this game.

[pied]

Baylor is looming. get over Lubbock.


yep

[slorch]

U got that wrong OU SUCKS

so bad that mack Brown voted them ahead of his own squad that beat the Sooners on the field.

That's some crazy :Censor: right there. i don't care who ya are...

[Hookin'Em]

I sure think u can score 2 quickly look at what happened you never want to put the game on your defense when ur playing a team like tech. If we would have just let the clock run a little bit more on those snaps tech would have not had any time to score and we would have won. Like I said tech got lucky that we had that mental error and that Gideon dropped a sure INT and that Crab didnt go out of get tackeld in bounds.Oh well what can u do, looking back hindsight is 2020.

[slorch]

Yeah. Harrell is good. Do you seriously believe that they can win out the conference schedule and the conference championship? I say they end up losing at least one. Probably the OU game, but I dont necessarily count OSU out either.

I absolutely believe this Tech team CAN win out.

I also think the same thing about OU and OSU.

It's just going to come down to who can execute their game plan and endure the schedule.

[jtk1519]

I think he overtook McCoy in the heisman race and why wouldn't someone believe they win out? You can't get past your hate. You better hope UT doesn't have a letdown after this game.

Harrell is good, but there is no way he overtook McCoy in the Heisman race. McCoy still had a very good game and unfair though it may be, Harrell will never get that kind of love because of the offense he plays in. If a so called "system" QB (which is a stupid tag) were to ever win the Heisman, it would have been Colt Brennan in 2006. The fact that he didn't even get invited to New York is a clue that voters place a strong emphasis on the "product of the system" BS.

[jtk1519]

Tech can win out. They are good enough to beat Mobilhoma and Okie Lite, but that's not the issue. It's beating Texas, Okie Lite and Mobilhoma in consecutive weeks that is the issue. Texas can speak to the difficulty of playing multiple big games in consecutive weeks. It wears down on you.

[Favpack]

Tech can win out. They are good enough to beat Mobilhoma and Okie Lite, but that's not the issue. It's beating Texas, Okie Lite and Mobilhoma in consecutive weeks that is the issue. Texas can speak to the difficulty of playing multiple big games in consecutive weeks. It wears down on you.

Someone has stolen jtk.

[slorch]

Harrell is good, but there is no way he overtook McCoy in the Heisman race. McCoy still had a very good game and unfair though it may be, Harrell will never get that kind of love because of the offense he plays in. If a so called "system" QB (which is a stupid tag) were to ever win the Heisman, it would have been Colt Brennan in 2006. The fact that he didn't even get invited to New York is a clue that voters place a strong emphasis on the "product of the system" BS.

we now have the "Homer" take.

If tech and UT both win out. harrell will win the Hypeman.

[jtk1519]

we now have the "Homer" take.

If tech and UT both win out. harrell will win the Hypeman.

No chance in hell and you may want to continue the denial charade, but you know I'm right. It's not fair, but I am right.

[jtk1519]

Someone has stolen jtk.

I didn't say anything there that contradicted anything I have said before.

[slorch]

No chance in hell and you may want to continue the denial charade, but you know I'm right. It's not fair, but I am right.

you're FOS. and if my scenario plays out, WGAF about the hypeman. Stoplight can have it for all I care...

[tayb]

we now have the "Homer" take.

If tech and UT both win out. harrell will win the Hypeman.

Harrell has to win out to if he wants to have a chance to win it. Even if he wins out I'm not sure the voters will give it to him but he will at least have a chance. If he loses any of the remaining games its over.

[slorch]

Harrell has to win out to if he wants to have a chance to win it. Even if he wins out I'm not sure the voters will give it to him but he will at least have a chance. If he loses any of the remaining games its over.

If we win out, the Hypeman will be the least of our concern.

[Dawg Fan]

I think the nod would go to the senior. I guess we will see.

[slorch]

I think the nod would go to the senior. I guess we will see.

nm

[Hookin'Em]

Colt will come back to win the Heisman but I gotta hand it 2 Harrell he plays good but I think that some of his votes will be split cuz they might not decide between him and Crabtree JMO. The other possibility maybe Tebow if Florida keeps playing so good.

[jtk1519]

I am surprised by the naivety of some of the Tech fans. Regardless of their final record, Harrell is, always has been and will continue to be at a serious disadvantage in terms of Heisman. That sucks, but that is the real world. How else do you explain Troy Smith winning it in '06 over several more deserving candidates? Also consider that statistically, Harrell is not doing quite as well this year as he did last year and last year he didn't get one single Heisman vote. The Heisman voters aren't very hard to read.

[cajun]

If Teabag has a couple more games like he did against the Dogs he will get some votes...

[slorch]

I am surprised by the naivety of some of the Tech fans. Regardless of their final record, Harrell is, always has been and will continue to be at a serious disadvantage in terms of Heisman. That sucks, but that is the real world. How else do you explain Troy Smith winning it in '06 over several more deserving candidates? Also consider that statistically, Harrell is not doing quite as well this year as he did last year and last year he didn't get one single Heisman vote. The Heisman voters aren't very hard to read.

I am surprised by the stupidity of a normally fairly intelligent poster of UT fandom that insists upon throwing the Hypeman race in our face. if it's a done deal already, then ******* run with it. We're more into crystal this year...

Ps- Impressed with your further denial of Tech's greatness by failing to mentio that we have two players that will draw votes from one another within our own roster. Run along uterus boy...

[Firebird]

I really do wonder if Hookin'Em might have some kind of a point buried in that post. The success of Harrell is very closely tied to that of Crab. It's an uphill battle for a Tech player to win in any event, and I wonder if they might siphon votes off of each other.

[jtk1519]

I am surprised by the stupidity of a normally fairly intelligent poster of UT fandom that insists upon throwing the Hypeman race in our face. if it's a done deal already, then ******* run with it. We're more into crystal this year...

Ps- Impressed with your further denial of Tech's greatness by failing to mentio that we have two players that will draw votes from one another within our own roster. Run along uterus boy...

I didn't first mention the Heisman, lonny. I was just responding to what somebody else said. Get over it. I've given Tech all their due credit. Please don't cry about it again. Kthnxbi.

[slorch]

Kthnxbi.

top secret code words will not confuse me...:D

[jtk1519]

top secret code words will not confuse me...:D

GLDOYM

[slorch]

GLDOYM

Graham-Like Deity On Your Mantle?

you want a replica of his trophy? Wow!!!

[jtk1519]

Graham-Like Deity On Your Mantle?

you want a replica of his trophy? Wow!!!

Get Lonny's :Censor: Outta Yo Mouth

[slorch]

Get Lonny's :Censor: Outta Yo Mouth

you're the one talkin crazy...

[jtk1519]

you're the one talkin crazy...

You're the one with lonny's :Censor: in your mouth.

[slorch]

You're the one with lonny's :Censor: in your mouth.

Does Wide still tell you what to say?:D

[jtk1519]

Does Wide still tell you what to say?:D

Only when he pulls my :Censor: out of his mouth.

[lonny23]

Harrell is good, but there is no way he overtook McCoy in the Heisman race. McCoy still had a very good game and unfair though it may be, Harrell will never get that kind of love because of the offense he plays in. If a so called "system" QB (which is a stupid tag) were to ever win the Heisman, it would have been Colt Brennan in 2006. The fact that he didn't even get invited to New York is a clue that voters place a strong emphasis on the "product of the system" BS.
The voters do discount systems, but they credit stats that go with wins. The trophy is Harrell's until Tech loses.

[lonny23]

Tech can win out. They are good enough to beat Mobilhoma and Okie Lite, but that's not the issue. It's beating Texas, Okie Lite and Mobilhoma in consecutive weeks that is the issue. Texas can speak to the difficulty of playing multiple big games in consecutive weeks. It wears down on you.
We have a week off before OU.

[lonny23]

Harrell has to win out to if he wants to have a chance to win it. Even if he wins out I'm not sure the voters will give it to him but he will at least have a chance. If he loses any of the remaining games its over.
Harrell probably has to lose twice for McCoy to pass him. Tebow could pass him with 1 loss, but Harrell can still do it at 11-1 or 12-1.