3 Alive in 26-5A

[bubbacoach]

All three playoff teams from 26-5A are still alive this week and should win all three of their games. 26-5A has already proven it is the best district in San Antonio/ region 4. Is it the most well rounded district in the state? I do not think any of the three teams will win it all this year, but I do believe 26-5A is the most competitive from top to bottom minus Lee. Does anyone else in 5A have all three teams left? Does any other district have two teams that will for sure make the semi's (Smithson Valley and Judson)? With their third team being knocked out by a district rival (Madison getting knocked out by SV)? I think this makes a strong case for 26-5A being the toughest district in the state. I may be wrong but I believe they are the only district in 5A to win both state titles in the same year. (Judson and Roosevelt)

* I did not say they were the most talented. I did not say that anyone would win a state championship this year from this district.

[sv ranger]

All three playoff teams from 26-5A are still alive this week and should win all three of their games. 26-5A has already proven it is the best district in San Antonio/ region 4. Is it the most well rounded district in the state? I do not think any of the three teams will win it all this year, but I do believe 26-5A is the most competitive from top to bottom minus Lee. Does anyone else in 5A have all three teams left? Does any other district have two teams that will for sure make the semi's (Smithson Valley and Judson)? With their third team being knocked out by a district rival (Madison getting knocked out by SV)? I think this makes a strong case for 26-5A being the toughest district in the state. I may be wrong but I believe they are the only district in 5A to win both state titles in the same year. (Judson and Roosevelt)

* I did not say they were the most talented. I did not say that anyone would win a state championship this year from this district.
i think sv will win state im not tryin to argue with you but we have a good chance

[bubbacoach]

Good Luck, Katy then SLC. That is asking alot.

[sv ranger]

Good Luck, Katy then SLC. That is asking alot.
katy is getting there first test this week so noone knows how good they are i think there overrated.

[sv ranger]

Good Luck, Katy then SLC. That is asking alot.
winning the disrict championship is askin alot in 265a

[bubbacoach]

Why do you think they are overrated? You are telling me they have played noone all year?

[sv ranger]

Why do you think they are overrated? You are telling me they have played noone all year?
im telling you they have played noone the way sv plays all year

[Fleeman93]

katy is getting there first test this week so noone knows how good they are i think there overrated.

Katy may not have played the competition that SV has, but overrated they are not.

[bubbacoach]

I just looked at their season schedule and you are right they have not played anyone that is very good. But you cannot count out Katy, they are one of the premier programs in the State of Texas and have been for a long time. When you are talking about the premier programs in the state their name has to come up. Along with Judson, SLC, ETC. I am not saying premeir teams, but premier programs. Teams that always seem to find a way. You can never overlook one of these programs because they have tradition, a fan base and so on. I will say that Smithson Valley is one of the best programs in the State, I just do not think they are on the same level with Katy in that regard. I am a 26-5A guy myself and would love to see two 26-5A teams representing in the finals, but I am also a realist and know what it takes to win a Championship. I do not think that any of the three teams have the right makeup or chemistry to win it all. Let's hope I am wrong.

[sv ranger]

Katy may not have played the competition that SV has, but overrated they are not.
we will all see soon enough

[JC73]

im telling you they have played noone the way sv plays all year
Katy is not overrated. They have a very strong program with a long state playoff tradition. I do think my Rangers can beat them, but it will take all the Rangers can muster and the could go either way. First, SV has to win two more games before this will even happen and Madsion may have something to say about that. Be very careful who you say is overrated because that could come back to bite you on the a**.

[sv ranger]

I just looked at their season schedule and you are right they have not played anyone that is very good. But you cannot count out Katy, they are one of the premier programs in the State of Texas and have been for a long time. When you are talking about the premier programs in the state their name has to come up. Along with Judson, SLC, ETC. I am not saying premeir teams, but premier programs. Teams that always seem to find a way. You can never overlook one of these programs because they have tradition, a fan base and so on. I will say that Smithson Valley is one of the best programs in the State, I just do not think they are on the same level with Katy in that regard. I am a 26-5A guy myself and would love to see two 26-5A teams representing in the finals, but I am also a realist and know what it takes to win a Championship. I do not think that any of the three teams have the right makeup or chemistry to win it all. Let's hope I am wrong.
what does a team need to win it all? and what does katy have os slc have that sv doesnt

[bubbacoach]

I know when I won it all as a coach that we had Luck, decent athletes, and a belief in ourselves. And that is something our opponents lacked, because they did not have the playoff experience. I think program wise Katy has a slight edge, I think coaching is pretty even (maybe a slight edge to Larry Hill), but I think the difference is the raw talent Katy has if all else is equal. I do think ya'll have a chance against Katy and SLC, but I think ya'll are missing something, I cannot put my finger on it.

[GoRangers]

Katy may not have played the competition that SV has, but overrated they are not.

I agree, Rangerfans, of which I am one. Katy's plight this year is similar to UT's (and '02 SV district play). Katy cannot help the level of competition. They line up every game and have not waivered. They will be a force to be reckoned with and probably will be favored over the Region IV winner. Doesn't mean Katy will win, but they have earned their stripes based on level of play.

[sv ranger]

I know when I won it all as a coach that we had Luck, decent athletes, and a belief in ourselves. And that is something our opponents lacked, because they did not have the playoff experience. I think program wise Katy has a slight edge, I think coaching is pretty even (maybe a slight edge to Larry Hill), but I think the difference is the raw talent Katy has if all else is equal. I do think ya'll have a chance against Katy and SLC, but I think ya'll are missing something, I cannot put my finger on it.
if teams win on just raw talent then jay should have blown us away. that however didnt happen. ill tell you that a team wins with hard work making every practice there best knowing there opponent by watching film. through the kicking game and to top it off with effort and the will to win. you being a coach should know that. Plus sv has talent to.

[Bucky]

SV is good and will make a run at it again. I dont know if they can win it all but I didnt think that they could hang with SLC last year and they darn near beat them. I would like to see SV vs Madison in the regional finals in a few weeks. Judson will get to the semi's but Westfield will be too much for them. I hope the beat them but just dont see it happening. Just my opinion and I think it would be good for SV to finally win the big one!!!

[GoRangers]

I know when I won it all as a coach that we had Luck, decent athletes, and a belief in ourselves. And that is something our opponents lacked, because they did not have the playoff experience. I think program wise Katy has a slight edge, I think coaching is pretty even (maybe a slight edge to Larry Hill), but I think the difference is the raw talent Katy has if all else is equal. I do think ya'll have a chance against Katy and SLC, but I think ya'll are missing something, I cannot put my finger on it.

SV seems to be missing the ability to pound the ball and control the clock, as much as years past. (i.e., it used to be a guaranteed 5 yds/play rushing the ball). SV QB is not as strong of a rush threat out of the pocket like his predecessors.

I can't speak to Katy's weaknesses since I haven't seen them play. From what I've heard 2nd-hand, the special teams and linebackers are considered their weakness.

[bubbacoach]

if teams win on just raw talent then jay should have blown us away. that however didnt happen. ill tell you that a team wins with hard work making every practice there best knowing there opponent by watching film. through the kicking game and to top it off with effort and the will to win. you being a coach should know that. Plus sv has talent to.
Yes, but Jay does not have tradition, they do not have a work ethic. I am saying that Katy does and SLC does and that SV does. I have not seen Katy or SLC play live this year, but I do know what kind of talent they have on a regular basis. I have seen Smithson Valley play this year and do not think they are as good as they were last year or the year before. I know what it takes to win a State Championship, but when all things are equal talent, luck, and coaching are huge variables.

[sv ranger]

Yes, but Jay does not have tradition, they do not have a work ethic. I am saying that Katy does and SLC does and that SV does. I have not seen Katy or SLC play live this year, but I do know what kind of talent they have on a regular basis. I have seen Smithson Valley play this year and do not think they are as good as they were last year or the year before. I know what it takes to win a State Championship, but when all things are equal talent, luck, and coaching are huge variables.
sv record is better than last year and if you havent seen slc or katy play how do u figure ther better. i heard this is one of katys worst teams talent wise.

[bubbacoach]

Records do not matter at this time of the year and you cannot base a team compared to another team by records alone. You have to see the individual talent. And I do not think this years Smithson Valley team is as the past two years. At this point of the year it is a single elimination tournament, you lose you go home. If Katy is down this year, then they are down this year, but do not hink that beating Katy will be easy. Do not think that beating SLC will be easy. Both are quality teams and quality programs. I know you are not tall enough to see over the fence, but in some cases the grass is just as green if not greener on the other side of the fence. Remember Smithson Valley lost to a non playoff team that went 5-5. Does this matter at this point in the season? I think you are getting way ahead of yourself? Now can we talk about the original meaning of this thread, Declaring 26-5A the best district in Texas.

[sv ranger]

Records do not matter at this time of the year and you cannot base a team compared to another team by records alone. You have to see the individual talent. And I do not think this years Smithson Valley team is as the past two years. At this point of the year it is a single elimination tournament, you lose you go home. If Katy is down this year, then they are down this year, but do not hink that beating Katy will be easy. Do not think that beating SLC will be easy. Both are quality teams and quality programs. I know you are not tall enough to see over the fence, but in some cases the grass is just as green if not greener on the other side of the fence. Remember Smithson Valley lost to a non playoff team that went 5-5. Does this matter at this point in the season? I think you are getting way ahead of yourself? Now can we talk about the original meaning of this thread, Declaring 26-5A the best district in Texas.
if 265a is the best disrict in state wich i agree it is then wouldnt that make sv the best of the best

[bubbacoach]

No, I said district. I did not say individual teams.

[GoRangers]

Remember Smithson Valley lost to a non playoff team that went 5-5. Does this matter at this point in the season? I think you are getting way ahead of yourself? Now can we talk about the original meaning of this thread, Declaring 26-5A the best district in Texas.

SV faced Fanuzzi (Churchill QB), who is just awesome if he stays healthy. Churchill was a legitimate playoff contender with him. Churchill wasn't the same without him.

[bubbacoach]

That is a matter of opinion just like everything else on this board.

[sv ranger]

No, I said district. I did not say individual teams.
we will all see soon enough who the best is

[singularity]

SV faced Fanuzzi (Churchill QB), who is just awesome if he stays healthy. Churchill was a legitimate playoff contender with him. Churchill wasn't the same without him.
I definitly agree. I am tired of people bringing up that loss as if Churchill was a pushover team. If you threw any of the contenders in the playoffs right now against Churchill w/ Fanuzzi, half would have gotten there a$$es handed to them.

[dragonfootballfan]

I definitly agree. I am tired of people bringing up that loss as if Churchill was a pushover team. If you threw any of the contenders in the playoffs right now against Churchill w/ Fanuzzi, half would have gotten there a$$es handed to them.
just like all of the Smithson Valley fans like to tell others, football is a team game and one player does not make a team. Smithson Valley loses and their great coach always seems to lose atleast one game in the regular season that they probably should not lose.

[GoRangers]

just like all of the Smithson Valley fans like to tell others, football is a team game and one player does not make a team. Smithson Valley loses and their great coach always seems to lose atleast one game in the regular season that they probably should not lose.

The issue is not whether SV should have lost to Churchill. It's the context of Churchill's team being 5-5. Fanuzzi is probably the top QB in the area. Churchill defense kept them in games, but the O had a big dropoff with him. Similar to Clemens when they lost James Henry.

[singularity]

1st, the losses are on the players part, not the coaches.
2nd, Fanuzzi was the anchor, and without him Churchill drifted without direction
3rd, why not ask the coaches of the state what they think of Larry Hill

[Fleeman93]

sv record is better than last year and if you havent seen slc or katy play how do u figure ther better. i heard this is one of katys worst teams talent wise.

I don't know where you got that bit of inside information, but I would not use them as a source from this point on. I'll start by saying this is the overall fastest Katy team I have seen. The QB is (don't let anyone tell you otherwise) the best passing QB that Katy has had. Is that because Katy throws more now under the current OC? Of course that is the reason and it is because the QB and the receivers are capable of being the best that Katy has seen. The running game is as tough as ever with two featured backs that have no drop off from one another (plenty of solid depth beyond that). The Katy offensive line is your typical big, physical, well coached, disciplined group that they seem to have every year. The offense has been tested against a few pretty darn good defenses and has come through with shinning colors to this point. Defensively the secondary and the d-line carry the team but anyone that says the linebackers are weak is just uninformed. Statistically this secondary is one of the best Katy has had. The defense holds true to the bend don't break philosophy that Katy usually works off of. To say this team is down talent wise is just flat out foolish.

[dragonfootballfan]

1st, the losses are on the players part, not the coaches.
2nd, Fanuzzi was the anchor, and without him Churchill drifted without direction
3rd, why not ask the coaches of the state what they think of Larry Hill
why do the players lose games, but you win games with coaching.

[dragonfootballfan]

The issue is not whether SV should have lost to Churchill. It's the context of Churchill's team being 5-5. Fanuzzi is probably the top QB in the area. Churchill defense kept them in games, but the O had a big dropoff with him. Similar to Clemens when they lost James Henry.
I thought that talent did not matter in football. I thought that it was only secondary to coaching.

[GoRangers]

I thought that talent did not matter in football. I thought that it was only secondary to coaching.

Of these two contradictory sentences/points, I'll take the latter: talent is 2nd to coaching :)

[dragonfootballfan]

Of these two contradictory sentences/points, I'll take the latter: talent is 2nd to coaching :)
Ya that was a bad quote that contradicts itself.

[bullrock]

Sorry, wrong thread. :o

[sendero]

if 265a is the best disrict in state wich i agree it is then wouldnt that make sv the best of the best

I agree with you Bubba about 265 being one of the toughest districts but let's face it we most likely have the weakest Region as well. I think although they play in a tough district to get in, once a team is in it gets easier rather than harder until the semi-finals.

I think this is why Region I & II may have an advantage over both Region III & IV this year. Look at what they are having to go through to make it to the state title game. They still have several undefeated teams. Region IV only had two at the beginning of the playoffs and they both lost in the first round. Isn't Katy the only one left in Region III. Of course I am talking about the D2 bracket.

It is a good thing they make the teams play the games we could debate this stuff all day :)

[bubbacoach]

Did you see the thread On the teams with over 100 wins in the last 10 years and their are two from the 26-5A. That should just add to my point about it being the toughest district. :D

[lonny23]

All three playoff teams from 26-5A are still alive this week and should win all three of their games. 26-5A has already proven it is the best district in San Antonio/ region 4. Is it the most well rounded district in the state? I do not think any of the three teams will win it all this year, but I do believe 26-5A is the most competitive from top to bottom minus Lee. Does anyone else in 5A have all three teams left? Does any other district have two teams that will for sure make the semi's (Smithson Valley and Judson)? With their third team being knocked out by a district rival (Madison getting knocked out by SV)? I think this makes a strong case for 26-5A being the toughest district in the state. I may be wrong but I believe they are the only district in 5A to win both state titles in the same year. (Judson and Roosevelt)

* I did not say they were the most talented. I did not say that anyone would win a state championship this year from this district.
1995 was the only year for a district to take both 5A titles.

26-5A will be the only district with multiple teams playing next week.

They had 2 guys in the semis last year, too.

[lonny23]

I just looked at their season schedule and you are right they have not played anyone that is very good. But you cannot count out Katy, they are one of the premier programs in the State of Texas and have been for a long time. When you are talking about the premier programs in the state their name has to come up. Along with Judson, SLC, ETC. I am not saying premeir teams, but premier programs. Teams that always seem to find a way. You can never overlook one of these programs because they have tradition, a fan base and so on. I will say that Smithson Valley is one of the best programs in the State, I just do not think they are on the same level with Katy in that regard. I am a 26-5A guy myself and would love to see two 26-5A teams representing in the finals, but I am also a realist and know what it takes to win a Championship. I do not think that any of the three teams have the right makeup or chemistry to win it all. Let's hope I am wrong.
You can't run numbers and judge Katy. They find a way to beat the numbers in many years. That was the case under Johnston, but I'm still in limbo judging if that is true of Joseph.

[mad_fan]

1st, the losses are on the players part, not the coaches.
2nd, Fanuzzi was the anchor, and without him Churchill drifted without direction
3rd, why not ask the coaches of the state what they think of Larry Hill


What week did go out? Who did they lose to while he was playing?

[GoRangers]

What week did go out? Who did they lose to while he was playing?

Looks like Churchill was 2-3 with Fanuzzi in the line up, including Roosevelt. He went out early in Week 4 (Roosevelt).

Marshall L 24-28
Clark L 14-21
RR Westwood W 12-7
Smithson Valley W 14-10
Roosevelt L 17-18

[bubbacoach]

Judson in the finals, Smithson Valley in the Semifinals, Madison knocked out by Smithson Valley. Who can argue that this is the toughest district in the State of Texas. This past weekend When Judson beat Westfield, it looked like a 26-5A matchup from any given week, two good teams go at each other hard. The team with the fewest mistakes and the better defense won. You cannot deny the strength of the 26-5A.:D

[Dragonuncle]

I'm not trying to start anything. Judson's win over Spring Westfield was a great win over (on paper) a more talented team. They are well coached and play with alot of a heart. Other than that, whom has Judson, Smithson Valley, SA Madison played besides each other that was any good. Don't get me wrong they are all good/great teams, but the level of deep south Texas football is lacking IMHO. After SAM beat Shertz, I expected them to meet SV in the reg. final because they were no better than average teams left for them to play. You should be proud that 3 teams were left before last week, no other district could say that. Enlighten me, who have they played that was even close to a state contender. I don't thing thay played anyone. Not to say they are not great themselves. Just curious.

[bubbacoach]

I'm not trying to start anything. Judson's win over Spring Westfield was a great win over (on paper) a more talented team. They are well coached and play with alot of a heart. Other than that, whom has Judson, Smithson Valley, SA Madison played besides each other that was any good. Don't get me wrong they are all good/great teams, but the level of deep south Texas football is lacking IMHO. After SAM beat Shertz, I expected them to meet SV in the reg. final because they were no better than average teams left for them to play. You should be proud that 3 teams were left before last week, no other district could say that. Enlighten me, who have they played that was even close to a state contender. I don't thing thay played anyone. Not to say they are not great themselves. Just curious.
Judson played Copperas Cave, Pflugerville, Smithson Valley, and Madison.

[PantherFan70]

I'm not trying to start anything. Judson's win over Spring Westfield was a great win over (on paper) a more talented team. They are well coached and play with alot of a heart. Other than that, whom has Judson, Smithson Valley, SA Madison played besides each other that was any good. Don't get me wrong they are all good/great teams, but the level of deep south Texas football is lacking IMHO. After SAM beat Shertz, I expected them to meet SV in the reg. final because they were no better than average teams left for them to play. You should be proud that 3 teams were left before last week, no other district could say that. Enlighten me, who have they played that was even close to a state contender. I don't thing thay played anyone. Not to say they are not great themselves. Just curious.

This has also been brought up before with Katy and they have a lack of competition in their schedule, but just because they are lacking competition does that not make them a good team? I think Judson has shown they can beat those teams that do have tough schedules and deserve to be where they are. Everybody thinks because R4 has the teams from the Valley, that all of our teams are not contenders and do not play good, sound, smashmouth football, or they have the easiest schedule. I say who cares because if they keep beating the teams that supposedly have tough schedules, and are good teams, then why does nobody think Judson is good, or anybody from San Antonio. I think everybody is jealous that we still know how to play the old smashmouth football where we run it down your throat and they got stuck with the "spread Offense" disease. R4 may not be razzle dazzle football, but we get it done! GO ROCKETS!

[JC73]

I know that SV played and beat 3 teams from Region II and only 1 from the valley.

[Crank_It]

This has also been brought up before with Katy and they have a lack of competition in their schedule, but just because they are lacking competition does that not make them a good team? I think Judson has shown they can beat those teams that do have tough schedules and deserve to be where they are. Everybody thinks because R4 has the teams from the Valley, that all of our teams are not contenders and do not play good, sound, smashmouth football, or they have the easiest schedule. I say who cares because if they keep beating the teams that supposedly have tough schedules, and are good teams, then why does nobody think Judson is good, or anybody from San Antonio. I think everybody is jealous that we still know how to play the old smashmouth football where we run it down your throat and they got stuck with the "spread Offense" disease. R4 may not be razzle dazzle football, but we get it done! GO ROCKETS!


the only thing the spread offense does is look pretty and confuse db's, with good ole smash mouth football, it makes it that much more exciting when teams do air it out, i.e. judson '02. when you throw and catch all the time it gets kinda repetitive, it works but meh.

[zippy]

Are you serious? Lets see, playing each other was enough dont you think? How about SLC? I think SV faces a lot tougher teams than SLC does. I know in playoffs SLC had a tough road last year, but SV had a tough district road. This year SV has a much tougher road in district, and just as tough of a road in the playoffs with Abilene not being very good. I do know that one of the teams SV faced in the playoffs (that people thought were weak) were the only team ahead of SLC in every passing stat at the time.



I'm not trying to start anything. Judson's win over Spring Westfield was a great win over (on paper) a more talented team. They are well coached and play with alot of a heart. Other than that, whom has Judson, Smithson Valley, SA Madison played besides each other that was any good. Don't get me wrong they are all good/great teams, but the level of deep south Texas football is lacking IMHO. After SAM beat Shertz, I expected them to meet SV in the reg. final because they were no better than average teams left for them to play. You should be proud that 3 teams were left before last week, no other district could say that. Enlighten me, who have they played that was even close to a state contender. I don't thing thay played anyone. Not to say they are not great themselves. Just curious.

[PantherFan70]

We could argue this topic all day and all night about strength of teams from different regions, but we are never ever going to know the answer. Its like a tootsie pop, The world may never know. :D

[BandidoNB]

Its difficult to make the claim that the other teams besides the 26-5A playoff representatives are tough also. Most of them are tagged with several losses, which makes their records look less-than-impressive. But these teams lost those games cuz they played state quarter-semifinalists. And the fact that SV, Judson and Madison strugged just to get in the playoffs against these teams shows that the other teams in 26-5A are formidable too. Look at Churchill; they have the dubious distinction of being the only team (probably ever) to defeat Judson and SV in the same year and still fall short of making it out of 26-5A and into the playoffs. Reagan whipped up on Harlingen (the Valley's best team) in predistrict, yet they also didnt make it out of 26-5A. MacArthur, despite being at the bottom of the 26-5A heap, still managed to scratch out a win against 4A power Boerne. I could go on and on, but I really dont think I have to. Maybe the reason 25-5A and 27-5A look so 'weak' is because maybe 26-5A is actually that strong. Wouldnt it be typical for a state semifinalist (out of ANY region) to pile it on most teams? Thats what state semifinalists do. So to say Region IV is weak because Judson beat Seguin 21-0 and O'Connor 30-28 is not the strongest case.