TGO's prediction for the new AP Top 10!

[ThEgReAtOnE]

1. Texas Tech
2. Alabama
3. Penn State
4. Texas
5. Oklahoma
6. Florida
7. USC
8. Oklahoma State
9. Utah
10. Boise State

Pretty simple... Alabama beat the at-the-time #3 team in Georgia. Tech just beat the #1 team. If you're in the Top 10, and beat the #1 team, it's an automatic move to the top spot. (IE... #4 Texas beating #1 OU) PSU hasn't lost, so they're not going to drop. Texas beat OU, so they'll stay 1 spot ahead. Florida exposed Georgia's gameplanning - beating them soundly... but, they still have a loss to 5-4 Ole Miss. USC is destroying pretty weak competition and their top win is against then #5 Ohio State... however, the voters love'em.. even with a loss to 4-3 Oregon State. Okie Lite barely beat Texas, as well... they stay in Top 10. Utah and Boise continue to creep higher in the ranking... staying in order.

For the record, Oklahoma State should be ahead of USC. The Condoms only beat Ohio State, while the Cowboys beat then #3 Mizzou, at Mizzou. I'm giving my prediction for how I think the AP will look.

[Firebird]

I wish and hope.

I agree with your logic. If you are undefeated and bet the current number one, you should get their spot.

[stevefoxsc]

yeah i'm looking at your ap i know texas will drop just not sure how far 4-5 is my guess.

one things for sure, florida looks like the clear cut top in the country right now, but seems slim that they will make the big game but most likely take the ap champ

[patient1019]

Texas assumed OU's number 1 spot largely thanks to the fact that No. 3 Missouri and No. 4 LSU lost the same day Texas won, and No. 2 Bama was idle. Tech won an intense game, and played VERY well, but they still almost lost and I don't see them taking over the other top teams simply by virtue of narrowly beating Texas in Lubbock. Florida made a very strong case to move up a lot, but the No. 1 spot is questionable.

My big question is, how far does UT fall?

[cougardude]

I really hate polls, but I think Texas shouldn't fall behind Oklahoma so that should put them about 4th. I think the Horns have a good shot of winning out and playing in a BCS bowl if not the National Championship game.

[jakerz]

OU is probably playing like the best team in the country. It'll be interesting to see what happens if Tech beats OSU and then loses to OU. Ruh roh!

[BigRing5311]

TGO - Hope you're correct but I think they'll have Tech at #3

[stevefoxsc]

well usa today has this

1. Alabama (40) 9-0 1,498
2. Penn State (14) 9-0 1,437
3. Texas Tech (6) 9-0 1,409
4. Oklahoma (1) 8-1 1,290
5. Florida 7-1 1,268
6. USC 7-1 1,232
7. Texas 8-1

[The Wet Mustard]

well usa today has this

1. Alabama (40) 9-0 1,498
2. Penn State (14) 9-0 1,437
3. Texas Tech (6) 9-0 1,409
4. Oklahoma (1) 8-1 1,290
5. Florida 7-1 1,268
6. USC 7-1 1,232
7. Texas 8-1

this is so dumb, a 6 positiob drop to an undefeated team in thier house with a last second score, they should be #3 they are better than penn state, atleast 4 teams in the big 12 are
1 tech
2bama
3ut
4ou
5osu
6 penn
7fla
8-25 whoever u want
not worth a ****- usc

[TheDarkSide15]

a late season loss is the worst kind.... it shows if there was a playoff system, you couldnt cut it...

a loss late in the season should drop you from the top ten IMHO... but we all know that isnt true, OU didnt drop far and neither did USC...

but we all know the pollsters love those three teams and they could lose out and still make a top 5 bowl game

[ThEgReAtOnE]

a late season loss is the worst kind.... it shows if there was a playoff system, you couldnt cut it...

a loss late in the season should drop you from the top ten IMHO... but we all know that isnt true, OU didnt drop far and neither did USC...

but we all know the pollsters love those three teams and they could lose out and still make a top 5 bowl game

What 3 teams? Neither OU (Oct. 11th) nor USC (Sept. 25th) lost late in the season. The regular season ends on Nov. 28th. The Conference Title games are played the following week on Dec. 6th.

Your philosophy of having a late-season loss drop you from the Top 10 is unwarranted, given you haven't specified the opponent, record, score and etc.

[steeler 01]

1. Texas Tech
2. Alabama
3. Penn State
4. Texas
5. Oklahoma
6. Florida
7. USC
8. Oklahoma State
9. Utah
10. Boise State

Pretty simple... Alabama beat the at-the-time #3 team in Georgia. Tech just beat the #1 team. If you're in the Top 10, and beat the #1 team, it's an automatic move to the top spot. (IE... #4 Texas beating #1 OU) PSU hasn't lost, so they're not going to drop. Texas beat OU, so they'll stay 1 spot ahead. Florida exposed Georgia's gameplanning - beating them soundly... but, they still have a loss to 5-4 Ole Miss. USC is destroying pretty weak competition and their top win is against then #5 Ohio State... however, the voters love'em.. even with a loss to 4-3 Oregon State. Okie Lite barely beat Texas, as well... they stay in Top 10. Utah and Boise continue to creep higher in the ranking... staying in order.

For the record, Oklahoma State should be ahead of USC. The Condoms only beat Ohio State, while the Cowboys beat then #3 Mizzou, at Mizzou. I'm giving my prediction for how I think the AP will look.



Then number 3 means what? Their obviously not the number 3 team in the nation. Clemson was ranked very high in the preseason poll. Should we still consider that a quality win for UGA?

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Then number 3 means what? Their obviously not the number 3 team in the nation. Clemson was ranked very high in the preseason poll. Should we still consider that a quality win for UGA?

If you play a game vs who you believe to be the #3 team in the Nation and win... that receives high marks and you're placed high. If that same team sucks it up over the next few months and loses 4 games, that shouldn't drop you in the poll, though human voters will take that into account. Unless the teams around you have a better strength of schedule and no losses, you keep your ranking. 'Bama, Tech and PSU are all still undefeated. Boise and Utah don't have Top 10 wins, yet.

What's your point, exactly?

[Mhs06]

Honestly, OU controls their destiny. If they win out, they will be in the big 12 title game. The 3-way tie will be determined by whoever is highest in the polls, and because of OU's early loss to Texas, it won't matter as much. Tech will end up 3rd of course if OU wins out, since they play mid November.

We will see what the BCS rankings say. I would like to see Texas ahead of OU, but time will tell.

[steeler 01]

If you play a game vs who you believe to be the #3 team in the Nation and win... that receives high marks and you're placed high. If that same team sucks it up over the next few months and loses 4 games, that shouldn't drop you in the poll, though human voters will take that into account. Unless the teams around you have a better strength of schedule and no losses, you keep your ranking. 'Bama, Tech and PSU are all still undefeated. Boise and Utah don't have Top 10 wins, yet.

What's your point, exactly?

Oklahoma State has played one top 10 team in the nation, and they lost. Mizzou is not a top 10 team in the nation. If you wanna argue that go ahead. They will make the big 12 championship and get beaten. The same way that Utah is ranked in the top 10. Is the same way Mizzou got into the top 10. By playing no body and winning big.

[steeler 01]

Honestly, OU controls their destiny. If they win out, they will be in the big 12 title game. The 3-way tie will be determined by whoever is highest in the polls, and because of OU's early loss to Texas, it won't matter as much. Tech will end up 3rd of course if OU wins out, since they play mid November.

We will see what the BCS rankings say. I would like to see Texas ahead of OU, but time will tell.
I think OU will be playing Mizzou in the big 12 championship game. OU will beat TT at home IMO.

[BDB]

Oklahoma State has played one top 10 team in the nation, and they lost. Mizzou is not a top 10 team in the nation. If you wanna argue that go ahead. They will make the big 12 championship and get beaten. The same way that Utah is ranked in the top 10. Is the same way Mizzou got into the top 10. By playing no body and winning big.

i dont see mizzou in the top 10..... your logic is flawed.....

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Oklahoma State has played one top 10 team in the nation, and they lost. Mizzou is not a top 10 team in the nation. If you wanna argue that go ahead. They will make the big 12 championship and get beaten. The same way that Utah is ranked in the top 10. Is the same way Mizzou got into the top 10. By playing no body and winning big.

Read the title of the thread. This isn't my opinion for the Top 10. This is my opinion for what I thought the new AP would look like. (Look at when it was posted.)

[steeler 01]

i dont see mizzou in the top 10..... your logic is flawed.....
Its flawed because tons of teams get into the top 10 by scheduling ****** non conference schedules. Just look at the SEC. All their teams come into conference play ranked because their undefeated, but their games are jokes.

[steeler 01]

Read the title of the thread. This isn't my opinion for the Top 10. This is my opinion for what I thought the new AP would look like. (Look at when it was posted.)


I have no problem with your projectional ap top 10. Only thing I have a problem with. Is crediting a team with a win over a top 10 team. When the team isn't ranked in the top 10 anymore, and won't be when the season is over.

[BDB]

Its flawed because tons of teams get into the top 10 by scheduling ****** non conference schedules. Just look at the SEC. All their teams come into conference play ranked because their undefeated, but their games are jokes.


too bad it's not the pac-10 huh?

oh that's right...they can't even make it through the cupcake schedules...

the sec is from top to bottom the strongest conference for some time now, with the big XII almost neck and neck.

[HUM398]

too bad it's not the pac-10 huh?

oh that's right...they can't even make it through the cupcake schedules...

the sec is from top to bottom the strongest conference for some time now, with the big XII almost neck and neck.

I think its pretty safe to say that the Big 12 is the best conference in the land in 2008. I don't know how constant we can make that year in and year out, but it certainly will make recruiting SEC kids a bit easier. I have been saying for a while that the Big 12 was just behind the SEC, and the Gap wasn't as far as some would like...Florida is perhaps as close as you can get offensively to the Big 12, only because of how ridiculously talented they are...But id take Texas Tech, OU, Texas, and OSU offense against their defense any day.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I have no problem with your projectional ap top 10. Only thing I have a problem with. Is crediting a team with a win over a top 10 team. When the team isn't ranked in the top 10 anymore, and won't be when the season is over.

So, let me get this straight...

(EXAMPLE)

#20 Texas beats #3 USC (42-21) on Sept. 27th.
They're ranked #6 because of their win.
On Oct. 15th, #12 USC loses again.
So, on Oct. 16th #6 Texas should now be ranked out of the Top 10, though they're still wining, because USC lost??

Next question, why have a poll, in the first place?? Third question, are you a USC fan??

[Favpack]

We all know the B12 is gonna get screwed. No way, NO WAY Tech vaults Joe Paw - the Pirate vs. Joe Paw?

[steeler 01]

So, let me get this straight...

(EXAMPLE)

#20 Texas beats #3 USC (42-21) on Sept. 27th.
They're ranked #6 because of their win.
On Oct. 15th, #12 USC loses again.
So, on Oct. 16th #6 Texas should now be ranked out of the Top 10, though they're still wining, because USC lost??

Next question, why have a poll, in the first place?? Third question, are you a USC fan??

How many losses does Texas have in your example, and to who are those losses?

[Mhs06]

We all know the B12 is gonna get screwed. No way, NO WAY Tech vaults Joe Paw - the Pirate vs. Joe Paw?

That matchup is about as quirky as The Pirate himself

[steeler 01]

too bad it's not the pac-10 huh?

oh that's right...they can't even make it through the cupcake schedules...

the sec is from top to bottom the strongest conference for some time now, with the big XII almost neck and neck.

The SEC every year has 2-4 strong teams. The rest are great programs that are having down years. This season Auburn and Tennessee fall under that category. Then you have the doormats. Kentucky, Mississippi, Miss. St., Vandy, South Carolina(Decent at best), Arkansas(Good some years. Lost to USC 120-31 combined. They made the SEC championship in one of those two years). Thats the SEC for you in a nut shell.

[BDB]

The SEC every year has 2-4 strong teams. The rest are great programs that are having down years. This season Auburn and Tennessee fall under that category. Then you have the doormats. Kentucky, Mississippi, Miss. St., Vandy, South Carolina(Decent at best), Arkansas(Good some years. Lost to USC 120-31 combined. They made the SEC championship in one of those two years). Thats the SEC for you in a nut shell.


compared to the pac-10 who has


usc







that's it..... oregon can't even finish off a gimme season, and asu fell off the radar before the season even started. please don't tell me ucla, cal, 'zona, osu are worth a damn compared to the sec/big XII. those teams would be struggling to make second place in the north, much less compete in the south or sec east.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

How many losses does Texas have in your example, and to who are those losses?

Dude, it's not hard. Undefeated #8 Alabama beats #3 Georgia, 5 weeks ago. The next day they're ranked #2 in the Nation. 5 weeks later, Georgia is embarrassed by 1-loss #8 Florida. So you're suggesting 'Bama should drop out of the Top 10?? IMO, the late season wins/losses vs Top 10 opponents matter far more than early season wins/losses vs Top 10.

Just out curiousity, what's your opinion for how teams are ranked in the Top 10?

[steeler 01]

compared to the pac-10 who has


usc







that's it..... oregon can't even finish off a gimme season, and asu fell off the radar before the season even started. please don't tell me ucla, cal, 'zona, osu are worth a damn compared to the sec/big XII. those teams would be struggling to make second place in the north, much less compete in the south or sec east.

Oregon lost their QB. Who made their offense go. As far as the other teams. Wazzou and Washington are bad, but the other teams are decent. Cal and Oregon would be a toss up game against Mizzou IMO.
As far as the SEC. How good is UGA and LSU? They've both been blown out in their only show down games. Up to now the SEC has 2 teams that are elite. Florida and Bama. The rest are good to mediocre.

[BDB]

Dude, it's not hard. Undefeated #8 Alabama beats #3 Georgia, 5 weeks ago. The next day they're ranked #2 in the Nation. 5 weeks later, Georgia is embarrassed by 1-loss #8 Florida. So you're suggesting 'Bama should drop out of the Top 10?? IMO, the late season wins/losses vs Top 10 opponents matter far more than early season wins/losses vs Top 10.

Just out curiousity, what's your opinion for how teams are ranked in the Top 10?

1.usc
2-10.the rest of the pac-10

[steeler 01]

Dude, it's not hard. Undefeated #8 Alabama beats #3 Georgia, 5 weeks ago. The next day they're ranked #2 in the Nation. 5 weeks later, Georgia is embarrassed by 1-loss #8 Florida. So you're suggesting 'Bama should drop out of the Top 10?? IMO, the late season wins/losses vs Top 10 opponents matter far more than early season wins/losses vs Top 10.

Just out curiousity, what's your opinion for how teams are ranked in the Top 10?

Bama is undefeated. They should be top 3. UGA shouldn't be in the top 10 and their not.

[BDB]

Oregon lost their QB. Who made their offense go. As far as the other teams. Wazzou and Washington are bad, but the other teams are decent. Cal and Oregon would be a toss up game against Mizzou IMO.
As far as the SEC. How good is UGA and LSU? They've both been blown out in their only show down games. Up to now the SEC has 2 teams that are elite. Florida and Bama. The rest are good to mediocre.


DEE DEE DEE!

they get blown out BY THEIR OWN CONFERENCE! and they would still roll on ATLEAST! %90 of the wac-10/big televen/acc/big easy.

and, texas had 2 years of mediocrity with 10 wins because they lost their qb. and cal ain't nothin...

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Bama is undefeated. They should be top 3. UGA shouldn't be in the top 10.

Good point. Glad I didn't predict the AP would put them there. Where exactly are you going with this?? Meaning, what exactly is your point?? Are you saying UGA should retroactively be taken out of the Top 10, thus making the blowout wins for Ala and Fla obselete??

[ThEgReAtOnE]

1.usc
2-10.the rest of the pac-10

Bingo. ;)

[steeler 01]

1.usc
2-10.the rest of the pac-10

This year this holds true, but in most years the Pac 10 has 2-4 teams that can play. Last year Oregon(When Healty) and USC were elite and ASU and Cal were good teams.

[cajun]

SEC might be having a "reloading" year, but WE will still have 8 or 9 bowl teams come bowl season...Probably win 7 or 8 of those along with the National Title...

Just the way it is...

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[cajun]

Hope you Big 12er's ain't buying Texas Tech stock...

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[steeler 01]

Good point. Glad I didn't predict the AP would put them there. Where exactly are you going with this?? Meaning, what exactly is your point?? Are you saying UGA should retroactively be taken out of the Top 10, thus making the blowout wins for Ala and Fla obselete??

I only said don't credit a team for beating a top 10 team. When their not gonna finish in the top 10. Should I have credited Oregon State last year for beating a top 10 team in Cal? Cal didn't even finish ranked in the top 25 at the end of the year, but were ranked 2nd. When OSU beat them.

[steeler 01]

SEC might be having a "reloading" year, but WE will still have 8 or 9 bowl teams come bowl season...Probably win 7 or 8 of those along with the National Title...

Just the way it is...

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8 or 9 bowl teams is easy to have. Schedule 4 cupcakes in non conference. Then win 2 conference games, and your bowl eligible.

[cajun]

8 or 9 bowl teams is easy to have. Schedule 4 cupcakes in non conference. .

I'd like to see us schedule more Pac-10 teams...Might get the whole conference in a bowl..

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[BDB]

I'd like to see us schedule more Pac-10 teams...Might get the whole conference in a bowl..

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who exactly is the wac-10 scheduling that's supposed to show merit in the "cupcake" arguement?

because usc played virginia? or the bucknuts? not that impressive considering there's 4 teams ranked above tosu from the big XII right now...

[lonny23]

We all know the B12 is gonna get screwed. No way, NO WAY Tech vaults Joe Paw - the Pirate vs. Joe Paw?
There is concern that Tech might not jump PSU with the Harris and USA Today guys, but they'll stay ahead in the computers as long as they keep winning. Tech is 1st in 3 of the 6 computers right now.

[lonny23]

Hope you Big 12er's ain't buying Texas Tech stock...

http://smileydatabase.com/smilies/515.gifI can promise you many haven't. If anything, they're hoping we lose, which is a refreshing position for me to be in!:D

I'll just say that Tech does a good job of preparing for bowl games each year.

[steeler 01]

I'd like to see us schedule more Pac-10 teams...Might get the whole conference in a bowl..

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You should ask Tennessee about that.

[BDB]

You should ask Tennessee about that.

LMAO@ tennessee. that programs been falling since the turn of the century.

honestly i would rather put faith in vandy for the upcoming years then i would in the volunteers.

[steeler 01]

LMAO@ tennessee. that programs been falling since the turn of the century.

honestly i would rather put faith in vandy for the upcoming years then i would in the volunteers.
You do know they played in the conference championship last season right?

[ThEgReAtOnE]

You do know they played in the conference championship last season right?

Erik Ainge wasn't anything too special but he sure as hell wasn't Crompton. Ainge accounted for 3500 yds and 35 tds, last season. 2 QB's, this year, account for 6 tds and 5 Ints. That lack of a passing game has completely shutdown a potentially solid run-game. And their defense ranks 26th in pts given up (19 papg)... which is the only reason they've been in the games they were in.

[steeler 01]

Erik Ainge wasn't anything too special but he sure as hell wasn't Crompton. Ainge accounted for 3500 yds and 35 tds, last season. 2 QB's, this year, account for 6 tds and 5 Ints. That lack of a passing game has completely shutdown a potentially solid run-game. And their defense ranks 26th in pts given up (19 papg)... which is the only reason they've been in the games they were in.

He made Tennessee sound like chumps the entire decade. Which is wrong.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

He made Tennessee sound like chumps the entire decade. Which is wrong.

Not chumps! Underachievers! Think about the talent that Tennessee has had, since 1990, yet they only played for and won 1 NC. (19 1st-Rnd Draft Picks) Guys like QB-Manning, QB-Shuler, QB-Martin, QB-Ainge, WR-Harper, WR-Pickens, WR-Kent, WR-Nash, WR-Price, WR-Meachem, WR-Washington, WR-Stallworth, RB-Lewis, RB-Henry, RB-Cobb, RB-Garner, RB-Bryson, RB-Stewart, TE-Witten, OL-McRae, OL-Davis, OL-Layman, OL-Teague, OL-Coleman, OL-Weary, OL-Sears, DL-Mims, DL-Bonham, DL-Brown, DL-Ellis, DL-Walker, DL-Henderson, DL-McBride, LB-Smith, LB-Little, LB-Thompson, LB-Wilson, LB-Kelly, LB-Dotson, LB-Westmoreland, LB-Burnett, LB-Mayo, DB-Carter, DB-Lincoln, DB-Davis, DB-Jenkins, DB-Fair, DB-Goodrich, DB-Grant, DB-Lott, DB-Battle, DB-Wade and DB-Allen.

Fulmer has done well, but the Vols still underachieved even when they were winning. Look at the talent. A lot of the talent named ended up as All-Pro NFL'ers. The Florida Gators have had 16 1st Rounders, since 1990, but produced 7 Conference Titles and 2 National Titles. Tennessee has produced only 2 Conference Titles and 1 NC.

[steeler 01]

Not chumps! Underachievers! Think about the talent that Tennessee has had, since 1990, yet they only played for and won 1 NC. (19 1st-Rnd Draft Picks) Guys like QB-Manning, QB-Shuler, QB-Martin, QB-Ainge, WR-Harper, WR-Pickens, WR-Kent, WR-Nash, WR-Price, WR-Meachem, WR-Washington, WR-Stallworth, RB-Lewis, RB-Henry, RB-Cobb, RB-Garner, RB-Bryson, RB-Stewart, TE-Witten, OL-McRae, OL-Davis, OL-Layman, OL-Teague, OL-Coleman, OL-Weary, OL-Sears, DL-Mims, DL-Bonham, DL-Brown, DL-Ellis, DL-Walker, DL-Henderson, DL-McBride, LB-Smith, LB-Little, LB-Thompson, LB-Wilson, LB-Kelly, LB-Dotson, LB-Westmoreland, LB-Burnett, LB-Mayo, DB-Carter, DB-Lincoln, DB-Davis, DB-Jenkins, DB-Fair, DB-Goodrich, DB-Grant, DB-Lott, DB-Battle, DB-Wade and DB-Allen.

Fulmer has done well, but the Vols still underachieved even when they were winning. Look at the talent. A lot of the talent named ended up as All-Pro NFL'ers. The Florida Gators have had 16 1st Rounders, since 1990, but produced 7 Conference Titles and 2 National Titles. Tennessee has produced only 2 Conference Titles and 1 NC.

You do know that Tennessee wasn't winning the conference because of Florida right?

[steeler 01]

Not chumps! Underachievers! Think about the talent that Tennessee has had, since 1990, yet they only played for and won 1 NC. (19 1st-Rnd Draft Picks) Guys like QB-Manning, QB-Shuler, QB-Martin, QB-Ainge, WR-Harper, WR-Pickens, WR-Kent, WR-Nash, WR-Price, WR-Meachem, WR-Washington, WR-Stallworth, RB-Lewis, RB-Henry, RB-Cobb, RB-Garner, RB-Bryson, RB-Stewart, TE-Witten, OL-McRae, OL-Davis, OL-Layman, OL-Teague, OL-Coleman, OL-Weary, OL-Sears, DL-Mims, DL-Bonham, DL-Brown, DL-Ellis, DL-Walker, DL-Henderson, DL-McBride, LB-Smith, LB-Little, LB-Thompson, LB-Wilson, LB-Kelly, LB-Dotson, LB-Westmoreland, LB-Burnett, LB-Mayo, DB-Carter, DB-Lincoln, DB-Davis, DB-Jenkins, DB-Fair, DB-Goodrich, DB-Grant, DB-Lott, DB-Battle, DB-Wade and DB-Allen.

Fulmer has done well, but the Vols still underachieved even when they were winning. Look at the talent. A lot of the talent named ended up as All-Pro NFL'ers. The Florida Gators have had 16 1st Rounders, since 1990, but produced 7 Conference Titles and 2 National Titles. Tennessee has produced only 2 Conference Titles and 1 NC.

You do know that Tennessee wasn't winning the conference because of Florida right? I recall Reidel, Green and Hilliard going wild on Tennessee. Later on it was Gaffney and I forget the name of the other WR along side him. With Grossman throwing it to them.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

You do know that Tennessee wasn't winning the conference because of Florida right? I recall Reidel, Green and Hilliard going wild on Tennessee. Later on it was Gaffney and I forget the name of the other WR along side him. With Grossman throwing it to them.

Yes, I do know they weren't winning because of Florida. However, all but 5 games (between Fla/Ten) have been decided by less than a td. He had the talent, but was just outcoached. Tennessee hasn't exactly been a juggernaut since 2000. Fulmer was 3-5 in Bowl Games, since 2000. And his last BCS Bowl appearance was 2001... a loss to Kansas State.

[steeler 01]

Yes, I do know they weren't winning because of Florida. However, all but 5 games (between Fla/Ten) have been decided by less than a td. He had the talent, but was just outcoached. Tennessee hasn't exactly been a juggernaut since 2000. Fulmer was 3-5 in Bowl Games, since 2000. And his last BCS Bowl appearance was 2001... a loss to Kansas State.

They didn't play K-State in a bcs bowl game. That was the cotton bowl. Their last BCS game was in 2000. They got taken to the shed by a very good Nebraska team. That ran all over them in the fiesta bowl.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

They didn't play K-State in a bcs bowl game. That was the cotton bowl. Their last BCS game was in 2000. They got taken to the shed by a very good Nebraska team. That ran all over them in the fiesta bowl.

I read the wrong stat line. Anyhow, they still lost to K-State the next season, in the Cotton Bowl.