D2 top 10?

[Xfballphenome05]

the top 10 D2 teams left?

1.Katy
2.Southlake
3.Smithson Valley
4.Lufkin
5.Garland
6.Abilene
7.South Garland
8.Madison
9.Cove
10.Plano

[GarlandOwl06]

the top 10 D2 teams left?

1.Katy
2.Southlake
3.Smithson Valley
4.Lufkin
5.Garland
6.Abilene
7.Garland
8.Madison
9.Cove
10.Plano
Did you mean to put Garland on there twice? Maybe just average them out at 6!

[BigWhiteJake]

whoa!?! something has gone severely awry...
1) Southlake - I will not debate this point
2) Cove
3) Lufkin
4) Katy
5) Abilene
6) Smithson Valley
7) Plano
8) SA Madison
9) Midland
10) Garland

If your going to base it on how they have performed in the playoffs you could certainly justify putting South Garland in the mix or moving Lufkin or Cove around a little. However, Southlake Carroll is the best team in division II, anyone who thinks there team can beat SLC should PM me and I will bet them anything they want. I love the tigers, but Southlake is number one until someone beats them.

[GarlandOwl06]

You would really put Cove at #2???

[dragonfootballfan]

1. Carroll
2. Katy
3. Lufkin
4. Cove
5. Plano
6. Abilene
7. Midland
8. Garland
9. South Garland
10. Smithson Valley

[BigWhiteJake]

i know cove at number 2 is my own thing, but certainly in the top 5. the only certains in the top 10 are....
SLC #1
Katy, Cove, Abilene,Lufkin in the top 6-7
Valley and Madison should be 10

[my3sons]

Any list of the D II teams has to start with SLC. Katy and Lufkin are always impressive. Abilene and S. Valley are solid as well. Those are the top 5 teams. Plano is 6 and you can pretty much put 7-10 in any order. Carroll - Katy matchup for state is looking better every week.

[BigWhiteJake]

cove/lufkin would be a great one, but hell it might be south garland/garland, cove has played two solid teams os far and had convincing wins. but SLC vs region II champ should decide state, but you never can tell

[maverick#23]

The real D2 top 10 based on power ratings:

RANK SCHOOL REC POWER RATING
1. Southlake Carroll (12-0) 204.4
2. KATY (11-0) 198.84
3. LUFKIN (12-0) 195.41
4. Smithson Valley (11-1) 192.62
5. Abilene (12-0) 192.56
6. Copperas Cove (12-0) 190.73
7. Midland (10-2) 189.83
8. Plano (12-0) 187.01
9. Garland (10-2) 186.42
10. SA Madison (10-2) 185.5

[my3sons]

mav23: i think you have it pretty close.

[gtownowlfootball06]

Looks about right to me. We'll see how it looks after the teams start to play each other this week

[FootballJunkie]

The real D2 top 10 based on power ratings:

RANK SCHOOL REC POWER RATING
1. Southlake Carroll (12-0) 204.4
2. KATY (11-0) 198.84
3. LUFKIN (12-0) 195.41
4. Smithson Valley (11-1) 192.62
5. Abilene (12-0) 192.56
6. Copperas Cove (12-0) 190.73
7. Midland (10-2) 189.83
8. Plano (12-0) 187.01
9. Garland (10-2) 186.42
10. SA Madison (10-2) 185.5


Well since 1 plays 5, 6 plays 9, and 7 plays 8 this week should be real interesting come Saturday night :D Will be some definite changes to this list.

[GTown02]

I wish everyone got a trophy like little league :p. Then no one would go home unhappy :).

[TheRowdyRanger]

whoa!?! something has gone severely awry...
1) Southlake - I will not debate this point
2) Cove
3) Lufkin
4) Katy
5) Abilene
6) Smithson Valley
7) Plano
8) SA Madison
9) Midland
10) Garland

If your going to base it on how they have performed in the playoffs you could certainly justify putting South Garland in the mix or moving Lufkin or Cove around a little. However, Southlake Carroll is the best team in division II, anyone who thinks there team can beat SLC should PM me and I will bet them anything they want. I love the tigers, but Southlake is number one until someone beats them.

The key word there is "until". SLC has many opponents that are very capable of beating them.

1 Smithson Valley
2 Southlake C
3 Katy
4 Lufkin
5 Abeline
6 Cove
7 Plano
8 Madison
9 Midland
10Garland

[Tut]

I wish everyone got a trophy like little league :p. Then no one would go home unhappy :).
I think they're starting that next year. :D

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

the top 10 D2 teams left?

1.Katy
2.Southlake
3.Smithson Valley
4.Lufkin
5.Garland
6.Abilene
7.South Garland
8.Madison
9.Cove
10.Plano

10 out of 10 with Plano? Behind SG Garland? Plano should be no lower than 5. Hey no one thinks Plano is that good anyway. Thats how we like it.
:)

[grayowl60]

You would really put Cove at #2???
Thats great! "cove" needs to be looking past Garland to Lufkin. Let "cove", Longview and Carter be "rated".

[DawgDave]

Cove won't look past Garland. They looked past Cedar Park last year figuring they'd be playing Dallas Carter and got stomped.
The Owls best bring their A++++ game, cause the Dawgs are hungry!!

[svcenter53]

Ok lets get some stuff straight i dont know why people are just wondering about the top 10 in my opinon the only thing that matters is defintly the top 4 left in the state which i think will be SLC vs. Lufkin and Katy vs. Smithson Valley Which will then entail SLC vs. SV and u know what they say 3rd times a charm so watch out dragons... anyway heres my top 5


1)Sothlake-I hate em but they are #1 until proven otherwise
2)Katy-There beating people pretty bad but well see what happenes
3)Smithson Valley-My Team
4)Lufkin-They are still undefeated
5)Madison-They may be underdogs but they've proven themself before

[svcenter53]

1. Carroll
2. Katy
3. Lufkin
4. Cove
5. Plano
6. Abilene
7. Midland
8. Garland
9. South Garland
10. Smithson Valley
I know u dont like us Smithson Valley folk but u know we gave u run for your money and u put us at 10.....yall were #1 in the NATION and u only beat us by 3 in the last 6 seconds #10 is ridicoulous u know we deserve top rankings

[KTlineman]

whoa!?! something has gone severely awry...
1) Southlake - I will not debate this point
2) Cove
3) Lufkin
4) Katy
5) Abilene
6) Smithson Valley
7) Plano
8) SA Madison
9) Midland
10) Garland

If your going to base it on how they have performed in the playoffs you could certainly justify putting South Garland in the mix or moving Lufkin or Cove around a little. However, Southlake Carroll is the best team in division II, anyone who thinks there team can beat SLC should PM me and I will bet them anything they want. I love the tigers, but Southlake is number one until someone beats them.
someone already has ;)

[garlandredraider]

My top 10...

1. SLC
2. Katy
3. Lufkin
4. SV
5. Abilene
6. Cove
7. Plano
8. Madison
9. Garland
10. Midland

[dragonfootballfan]

I know u dont like us Smithson Valley folk but u know we gave u run for your money and u put us at 10.....yall were #1 in the NATION and u only beat us by 3 in the last 6 seconds #10 is ridicoulous u know we deserve top rankings
not everyone can by in the top 5. All the teams that are ahead of Smithson Valley, I feel, have had more impressive victories in the first two weeks of the playoffs. It had nothing to do with any personal bias that I have, unlike the top 5 that you gave where you listed a reason for putting Smithson Valley in the top 3, ahead of 4 unbeatens, was because they were your team.

[toonman]

Looking at all the different rankings; 2 questions are becoming evident. Who is #1 - This appears to SLC and Katy - I do not think there is much between these teams and the State Championship Game should decide this. This is too close to call. The other question is SV - just how good are they. They are ranked as high as #1 and low as #10. For this week, I am going to chicken out and call a tie at #1.

1= Katy - SLC
3 Lufkin
4 Abilene
5 SV
6 Plano
7 Cove
8 Garland
9 South Garland
10 SA Madison

Any one of these teams has the pieces in place to win it all. Believe me who ever wins it will have earned it with such a strong bracket to play out.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

1) Southlake - #1 until someone beats them.
2) Garland
3) Cove
4) Plano
5) South Garland
6) Smithson Valley
7) Katy
8) Lufkin
9) Abilene
10) Midland

In Garland's defense, you must go by strength of schedule!!

* indicates playoff team.

(W) PLANO EAST (6-6)....Top 25 in area, when Garland played'em. Playoffs*
(L) AT DESOTO (6-5)...Top 25 in area, when Garland played'em. Playoffs*
(W) AT ENNIS (11-1)...Top 5 in 4A state, when Garland played'em. Playoffs*
(L) DALLAS CARTER (10-1)...Top 10 in State, when Garland played'em. Playoffs*
(W) AT GARLAND NAAMAN FOREST (1-9)
(W) SOUTH GARLAND (8-4)...Top 25 in area when Garland played'em. Playoffs*
(W) AT NORTH GARLAND (4-6)
(W) GARLAND SACHSE (6-4)....Top 25 in area when Garland played'em.
(W) AT ROWLETT (9-3)....Top 25 in area, when Garland played'em. Playoffs*
(W) LAKEVIEW CENTENNIAL (3-7)
(W) TYLER JOHN TYLER (8-3)...Top 25 in state, when Garland played'em. Playoffs*
(W) DALLAS CARTER (10-1)......Top 10 in state, when Garland played'em. Playoffs*

Out of the 8 Playoff teams Garland faced they beat 6 of them. Out of those 8 playoff teams 2 are still advancing through the playoffs. (5 advanced to the second round of the playoffs.) In 12 total games Garland faced 9 teams with a record of .500 or better....and 8 of those 9 teams had winning records!

After playing the game as long I have, I know schedules don't mean much when it comes down to Texas HS Football playoffs, but when you want to rank teams, I feel the best measuring stick is the opponents you faced.

[singularity]

1. SLC (I agree with everyone...until they are beaten)
2. SV or Katy (I really think this is going to be a close one)
4. Lufkin
5. Abilene
***Its sad that great teams like Lufkin and Abilene have to play SLC. They do very well, but SLC has this infatuation with pulling off a win in the last minute (or even second)
6. Garland
7. Copperas Vove
8. Plano
9. Midland
10. SA Madison

The reason I put SV up there at #2 with Katy is because they have arguably the best fundamentals and coaching in the state. They have also proven that they can hang with the best.

[dragonfootballfan]

The reason I put SV up there at #2 with Katy is because they have arguably the best fundamentals and coaching in the state. They have also proven that they can hang with the best.
SV has a loss to a non-playoff team. How can they be in front of all of the unbeatens still left in the tournament?

[singularity]

We aren't ranking on record, we are ranking on how good they are.

[singularity]

And beside the point, you are the one who ranked an 8-4 team over a 11-1 team, so don't pull the record card here. The big mistake here is putting a team coached by Larry Hill behind teams that don't have a comparable system.


9. South Garland
10. Smithson Valley

[ftballin11]

Katy at 7?... I think its obvious that they shouldn't be #7. you have a lost to desoto saying they were in the top 25 at the time, but katy beat woodlands 30-6 and what was woodlands ranked at the time? Garland has two losses, the one to Carter is understandable, but look at desoto's record. they obviously weren't doing something right... teams can be ranked anywhere at the beginning or first 2 weeks of a season, but when your record ends with that, the truth is revealed about a team. I think everyone on this board knows katy isn't a #7 team.SV lufkin and abilene are not 6,8, and 9. but that's just my opinion.

[dragonfootballfan]

And beside the point, you are the one who ranked an 8-4 team over a 11-1 team, so don't pull the record card here. The big mistake here is putting a team coached by Larry Hill behind teams that don't have a comparable system.
I feel that unbeatens deserve the benefit of the doubt. Once you get that one loss you are thrown in there with the rest of the teams. Who did Smithson Valley beat that was more impressive than South Garland's victory over Longview? Smithson Valley fans have all but told me all year that their team is not as good as the teams that I ranked above them. All they keep saying is that they are not as talented as the teams ranked above them.

[GoRangers]

I feel that unbeatens deserve the benefit of the doubt. Once you get that one loss you are thrown in there with the rest of the teams. Who did Smithson Valley beat that was more impressive than South Garland's victory over Longview? Smithson Valley fans have all but told me all year that their team is not as good as the teams that I ranked above them. All they keep saying is that they are not as talented as the teams ranked above them.

Go find all the "SV Fans" that gave you fodder for your arguments.

[singularity]

I feel that unbeatens deserve the benefit of the doubt. Once you get that one loss you are thrown in there with the rest of the teams. Who did Smithson Valley beat that was more impressive than South Garland's victory over Longview? Smithson Valley fans have all but told me all year that their team is not as good as the teams that I ranked above them. All they keep saying is that they are not as talented as the teams ranked above them.
Talent-wise yes. It is too bad that there is much more to the game than talent. And did you think that maybe Longview really just isn't as good as they have been built up to be. SV kicks the crap out of teams with a stellar coaching staff, the brilliant Larry Hill, and rock hard fundamentals. It is funny that when SV plays a team, there opponent's fumbles, interceptions, and overall errors are considerably more. That is with every team, including SLC last year.

[dragonfootballfan]

Go find all the "SV Fans" that gave you fodder for your arguments.
Here are some quotes about the talent of the Smithson Valley teams this year and of years past

Are you going to sit there and say that SLC didnt have more talent than SV?

Larry Hil has to be in the top 3. He most definitly makes the most of the least. For the past 5 years, starting with the 4A state championship appearence how many players have gone on to D1 colleges to play football. I know you can count them on one (maybe two) hands.

I'll bet he is a great chess player. :cool:
Hands down - Larry Hill

SLC has had a good program before Dodge got there, and as for everyone saying that their players are less talented than most, are you crazy? They have some of the best players around the state. Last year the Rangers were overmatched by an average of 70 pounds a man up front on the lines. SLC had better WR's, a better QB, and better RB's (by far). Remember what SV was before Hill got there? NOTHING, one of the worse teams in the state no doubt. Lost many more than they won. SLC was a winning school prior to Dodge, and he has kept it that way. Its a lot harder to work with a terrible team, that has no support, tradition, or "want".

They didnt just all of a sudden get talent, name one player last year that had super talent from SV. Most teams have 3-4 at least. Some have them on both sides of the ball.

[singularity]

Here are some quotes about the talent of the Smithson Valley teams this year and of years past
Nice job researching, but again SV does not have great talent. Thankfully football is not one dimensional.

[dragonfootballfan]

Talent-wise yes. It is too bad that there is much more to the game than talent. And did you think that maybe Longview really just isn't as good as they have been built up to be. SV kicks the crap out of teams with a stellar coaching staff, the brilliant Larry Hill, and rock hard fundamentals. It is funny that when SV plays a team, there opponent's fumbles, interceptions, and overall errors are considerably more. That is with every team, including SLC last year.
what about Carroll in 2002? There were no more errors in that one. What about Churchill this year? Did your great coaching and fundamentals evaporate into thin air? Smithson Valley could probably beat some college teams that have poor coaching and fundamentals like Aggy. I mean all you need to win in football is just coaching and fundamentals. How many titles has this strategy won Smithson Valley?

[dragonfootballfan]

Nice job researching, but again SV does not have great talent. Thankfully football is not one dimensional.
Unlike some people, when I am asked to back up my points I go and do it. I don't just say that someone is ignorant or stupid. Maybe some others should try it

[singularity]

I am glad you back up your arguments. It makes you all the more credible. About SV being #10, I would say there is something influencing that decision other than the actual ability of the other teams.

[GoRangers]

Here are some quotes about the talent of the Smithson Valley teams this year and of years past

The post isn't about talent, it was about rank (unless you're ranking your top 10 on talent only). You said SV fans ranked their TEAM below others in your top 10. I see no evidence of that.

Smithson Valley fans have all but told me all year that their team is not as good as the teams that I ranked above them.

[dragonfootballfan]

I am glad you back up your arguments. It makes you all the more credible. About SV being #10, I would say there is something influencing that decision other than the actual ability of the other teams.
I will not make them in front of an unbeaten that has played some good teams. That means the highest that they can be in my poll is 7. Then I looked at who each team has played and how they have played lately to make my final decision on the last four teams and their order. Smithson Valley did not seem as impressive to me as Midland, Garland and South Garland. Both Garland and South Garland had wins over top ten teams and Midland has really improved over the last few weeks. Smithson Valley will continue with their easy playoff road this week and then their real season starts next week. We will see what they are really made of when they get through the cakewalk that is region 4

[dragonfootballfan]

The post isn't about talent, it was about rank (unless you're ranking your top 10 on talent only). You said SV fans ranked their TEAM below others in your top 10. I see no evidence of that.
Read my post again. I said that Smithson Valley fans have all but told me that they are not as good as the teams ranked ahead of them. If you do not think that overall talent makes a big difference in football then you need to lineup the Rangers against an NFL team and see what happens.

[GoRangers]

I will not make them in front of an unbeaten that has played some good teams. That means the highest that they can be in my poll is 7. Then I looked at who each team has played and how they have played lately to make my final decision on the last four teams and their order. Smithson Valley did not seem as impressive to me as Midland, Garland and South Garland. Both Garland and South Garland had wins over top ten teams and Midland has really improved over the last few weeks. Smithson Valley will continue with their easy playoff road this week and then their real season starts next week. We will see what they are really made of when they get through the cakewalk that is region 4

SV is the 26-5A district champ and beat Madison and Judson, who are still playing. Impressive.

[dragonfootballfan]

SV is the 26-5A district champ and beat Madison and Judson, who are still playing. Impressive.
they also lost to a non-playoff team. that was really impressive

[singularity]

they also lost to a non-playoff team. that was really impressive
You don't know anything about the team they lost to, or the level that Churchill was playing at during that game.

[GoRangers]

they also lost to a non-playoff team. that was really impressive

So is 8-4.

[dragonfootballfan]

You don't know anything about the team they lost to, or the level that Churchill was playing at during that game.
Churchill ended 5-5. That is all that I need to know

[dragonfootballfan]

So is 8-4.
they beat Longview. I don't think a single team from region 4 could have beaten Longview

[GoRangers]

Read my post again. I said that Smithson Valley fans have all but told me that they are not as good as the teams ranked ahead of them. If you do not think that overall talent makes a big difference in football then you need to lineup the Rangers against an NFL team and see what happens.

Again, show me where SV fans ranked their TEAM (not talent) below.

[TheRowdyRanger]

SV has a loss to a non-playoff team. How can they be in front of all of the unbeatens still left in the tournament?

I would put Sv ahead of the unbeatens, not based on records, but on the strength of Sv's Coaching.

[dragonfootballfan]

Again, show me where SV fans ranked their TEAM (not talent) below.
they told me that their team does not have that much talent. I think that talent is a bigger part of the game than you do. I am the one ranking the teams not the Smithson Valley fans in my list. I said that the fans, "all but told me that Smithson Valley was not as good as other teams". Because I give talent a lot more weight than your, I ranked them at #10. They were telling me all I needed to know for me to rank the teams

[dragonfootballfan]

I would put Sv ahead of the unbeatens, not based on records, but on the strength of Sv's Coaching.
where was the coaching in the game against Churchill?

[GoRangers]

they told me that their team does not have that much talent.

Nice wordsmithing. No SV fan gave you direct information that their team should be ranked lower.

I think that talent is a bigger part of the game than you do. Because I give talent a lot more weight than your, I ranked them at #10.


Show me where I said talent wasn't a big part of the game?

They were telling me all I needed to know for me to rank the teams

Then you don't need much to form an opinion.

[GHSalumni]

Garland has two losses, the one to Carter is understandable, but look at desoto's record. they obviously weren't doing something right...

In Garland's defense of the Desoto loss, it was the 2nd week of the season. Garland had Tim Crosby at Quarterback, who hasn't been the starting QB since that game, replaced by Greg Hunter. That was also sloppiest Garland game I have seen in recent years (8 Fumbles, 5 lost, 1 INT), yet they still managed to hang around for 5 Overtimes, heh. The team has grown and changed much since that 2nd week loss, and the past 2 weeks really show the toughness of Garland.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

In my backing of Garland I say....

If you're ranking a boxer, you have to rank him on what he has accomplished, right?!....who he has beaten! Ranking who is better based on coaching and talent is ridiculus, becuase the combination of the two should equal quality wins!!!

WHAT HAS YOUR TEAM ACCOMPLISHED, COMPARED TO WHAT THE OTHER HAS ACCOMPLISHED??!!

WHO'S COMPETITION WAS BETTER??!!!

There is NO other way to rank!!

Something to think about...
If Garland wins out (wins the DII championship) they will have faced, IMO, one of the hardest overall schedules in the history of Texas HS football.

To beat....

Carter
South Garland
Tyler John Tyler
DeSoto
Plano East
Ennis
Rowlett
Copperas Cove
Lufkin (?)
SLC (?)
Katy (?)

would be unbelievable!

6 teams in the Top 25 5A State Poll. (5 in the Top 10, alone.)

1 team in the Top 10 4A State Poll. (Ennis)

And 4 teams in the Top 25 in the DFW area.

Out of 16 games....14 wins - 2 losses....and out of the 16 games, 3 teams weren't ranked in either a State poll (7) or Area poll (4) .

[dragonfootballfan]

Show me where I said talent wasn't a big part of the game?

Again I did not say that you do not think that talent is a big part of the game. I said that I value talent in a team's strength more than you do. You said this
The post isn't about talent, it was about rank (unless you're ranking your top 10 on talent only). You said SV fans ranked their TEAM below others in your top 10. I see no evidence of that.
You think that your team should rank higher than others because they may not be as talented, but their other attributes more than make up for their lack of talent.

I think that those other attributes will not be enough to make up for the lack of talent and that is why I ranked them below the other teams

[dragonfootballfan]

They were telling me all I needed to know for me to rank the teams
Then you don't need much to form an opinion.
I probably should not have said that. I should have said, "The Smithson Valley fans information, combined with my knowledge of thier team as well as others, was all I needed to know to rank the teams."

[GHSalumni]

I haven't thought of, and still don't think of Garland as a State Championship caliber team, even though i'm a die hard Owl fan and have been attending games for over a decade. They are always full of talented athletes, and I won't say i've been surprised that they won the 2 playoff games thus far ( I picked them to win both on my brackets ).

Criticise me for not believing the Owls can win state, but I think I still have the image of the 99' team in my head and how unstoppable they seemed, and I don't know how long it will be before we see a team of that caliber pass through Garland again. This years team is great, no doubt, and I'll be rooting for them all the way, I just hope they remain as resilient as they have in the past couple of weeks, they could really shock alot of people.

Could be a scary thing going into this week's game not knowing much about our opponent at all, but I think Garland should give Cove a great challenge, and show up with some overall athleticism that the Dawgs may not be expecting.

I'm not sure what the point of my post is, just kind of rambling about what's on my mind right now, hehe.

Gig'em Owls!

[CoveBullDawgFB]

Smithson valley has a loss and should not be top 5 but should not be overlooked

1. Copperas Cove
2. Southlake Carrol
3. Katy
4. Lufkin
5. Abilene
6. Smithson Valley
7. Plano
8. Midland
9. Garland
10. South Garland

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Smithson valley has a loss and should not be top 5 but should not be overlooked

1. Copperas Cove
2. Southlake Carrol
3. Katy
4. Lufkin
5. Abilene
6. Smithson Valley
7. Plano
8. Midland
9. Garland
10. South Garland

That's hilarious!! Not only did you put your team ahead of everyone else, you also de-ranked a team that hasn't lost in nearly 2 years!!!

Good one!!! ;)

[GoRangers]

Again I did not say that you do not think that talent is a big part of the game. I said that I value talent in a team's strength more than you do. You said this

You think that your team should rank higher than others because they may not be as talented, but their other attributes more than make up for their lack of talent.

I think that those other attributes will not be enough to make up for the lack of talent and that is why I ranked them below the other teams

You didn't see any post where I ranked talent among all the facets of winning. If you were to infer anything from my posts, about all you could have was that I don't rank talent #1. So, if you rank it above what I do, it might be as high as #1 on your list.

[singularity]

I think that those other attributes will not be enough to make up for the lack of talent and that is why I ranked them below the other teams
The big problem with that statement is SVs other attributes have made up for the lack of talent in the past. It has put them in the state finals three times in the last 4 years and almost won it for them twice (note i didn't say they did win, they ALMOST won) SV doesn't have a few stars that do everything, rather they have a team that is one unit. They are all fundementally sound. There are several teams that can't say the same about their team from top to bottom. The reason that SLC is so dominant is because they have everything that SV has (SV coaching has a slight edge) and they have a handful of stars that go above and beyond the rest.

[dragonfootballfan]

The big problem with that statement is SVs other attributes have made up for the lack of talent in the past. It has put them in the state finals three times in the last 4 years and almost won it for them twice (note i didn't say they did win, they ALMOST won).
If you look at my list they are the highest ranked unit in Region 4. That puts them at attaining atleast equal success that they had in years past.

[singularity]

I won't argue with your rankings because you obviously weigh things differently than me. I will say that, in my opinion, SV, Katy, SLC, Lufkin, and Abilene are all at the same level with SLC obviously being the best.

[dragonfootballfan]

I would like you to address the comment that I made before. You don't have to, but I think that it will explain the post that you made above. I have Smithson Valley going to the semi's. That is the final four, I just don't think that they are better than some of the teams that will be "weeded" out before then.

[singularity]

I understand that. That is the issue we disagree on. I feel that SV is top 4 materiel of the teams existing now, whereas you feel they are top 10.

[PowerPack'd]

the top 10 D2 teams left?

1.Katy
2.Southlake
3.Smithson Valley
4.Lufkin
5.Garland
6.Abilene
7.South Garland
8.Madison
9.Cove
10.Plano

Again, I appreciate everyone's confidence in the Lufkin Panthers, but we are taking one game at a time. All I can say right now is that we are in the top 16 in D2 and we are looking forward to playing South Garland on Saturday. Anything else is pure speculation.

[drgnbkr]

The key word there is "until". SLC has many opponents that are very capable of beating them.

1 Smithson Valley
2 Southlake C
3 Katy
4 Lufkin
5 Abeline
6 Cove
7 Plano
8 Madison
9 Midland
10Garland

You've had 2 shots & were'nt capable

[maverick#23]

Nice wordsmithing. No SV fan gave you direct information that their team should be ranked lower.



Show me where I said talent wasn't a big part of the game?



Then you don't need much to form an opinion.

Don't get in a pooh, pooh contest with this guy. He and his buddy Dragondad ...er whatever will argue to the death over facts (when they are factually wrong) as well as opinion.

[zippy]

They are not as talented, but they are a better team. How can I prove that? Look at the teams loaded with talent that SV has beat. Talent is useless without the other things that SV has. Look at Port Aurthor Memorial, and tell me otherwise. Oh yea, SV also beat them, twice.


I feel that unbeatens deserve the benefit of the doubt. Once you get that one loss you are thrown in there with the rest of the teams. Who did Smithson Valley beat that was more impressive than South Garland's victory over Longview? Smithson Valley fans have all but told me all year that their team is not as good as the teams that I ranked above them. All they keep saying is that they are not as talented as the teams ranked above them.

[dragonfootballfan]

They are not as talented, but they are a better team. How can I prove that? Look at the teams loaded with talent that SV has beat. Talent is useless without the other things that SV has. Look at Port Aurthor Memorial, and tell me otherwise. Oh yea, SV also beat them, twice.
If you look at my list, Smithson Valley will not have to play a single one of those teams above them until the semifinals. They are the best team in region 4. When discussing Smithson Valley's loss to Churchill, the fans of Smithson Valley always talk about how they were beaten because they had a great quarterback. They never mentioned Churchill's coaching or other things, just the talented quarterback. So talent only means something when Smithson Valley loses, but when they win talent is nothing.

[grayowl60]

cove/lufkin would be a great one, but hell it might be south garland/garland, cove has played two solid teams os far and had convincing wins. but SLC vs region II champ should decide state, but you never can tell
Its already set. If its South Garland/Garland it will be at TMF Rose in Tyler. The same distance for both teams. But nobody wins.LOL :rolleyes:

[WILDCAT27]

i cannot honestly see how plano isnt rated 6 or better. we are a force to be reckoned with when we bring our A game and dont think wer gettin enough credit

but plano has always played better as the underdog so these ratings are perfectly fine with me this week :)

[zippy]

I like the way you try to make up arguements. Its great. As for Churchill, coaching had nothing to do with it. The QB had a couple of VERY early plays, and they had a great D. SV was down by 14 very quick, and after that, they did no score again. When you have a couple of big plays against a team with a good D it is hard to win. SV beat them 10-0 for the rest of the game, it just wasnt enough to make up for it. SV also beat every other team that Churchill beat, some by a lot. No big deal, they won the toughest district in the state, and are in the final 8 right now. If you dont think they are a top 5, dont. I honestly dont care where you rank them, we will see based on their play. From your perspective, SV could win it all and still be ranked #4, because they are not better than the teams that you say were "weeded" out. So whats the point in discussing it?


If you look at my list, Smithson Valley will not have to play a single one of those teams above them until the semifinals. They are the best team in region 4. When discussing Smithson Valley's loss to Churchill, the fans of Smithson Valley always talk about how they were beaten because they had a great quarterback. They never mentioned Churchill's coaching or other things, just the talented quarterback. So talent only means something when Smithson Valley loses, but when they win talent is nothing.

[gtowndrumma]

i thought coach jordan already said that if we play its going to be at texas stadium...... when did it change to tyler and why?

[WILDCAT27]

No big deal, they won the toughest district in the state, and are in the final 8 right now.

no offense to sv or 26a, but i would hardly say that it is the toughest district in the state

[zippy]

Thats fine, however, name one that is above it. Remember, SV, Judson, and Madison are the 3 reps from that district and all are still in the playoffs. Also dont forget that all but 1 team in that district were contenders against these 3 teams each week. Dont name disticts that have a very good team in it, and then a bunch of creampuffs, I am talking overall here.


no offense to sv or 26a, but i would hardly say that it is the toughest district in the state

[dragonfootballfan]

From your perspective, SV could win it all and still be ranked #4, because they are not better than the teams that you say were "weeded" out. So whats the point in discussing it?
no If they beat a higher ranked team, which they would have to then they can move up. The list fluxuates

[WILDCAT27]

you are very right, but there are some very good districts out there.. for instance 6-5a who has irving macarthur, southgrand prarie and euless trinity. they nay not all still be in the playoffs but they were kicked out by some very good teams (southlake and plano)

[dragonsdaddy]

Don't get in a pooh, pooh contest with this guy. He and his buddy Dragondad ...er whatever will argue to the death over facts (when they are factually wrong) as well as opinion.
when you in particular ever and i mean ever present a fact, it'll be the first time. you got your panties in a wad when someone didn't agree with your opinion that some 6-4 french team was the biggest cinderella story ever. sorry, i don't happen to agree. that is my opinion of your opinion.

[zippy]

that is one that I would rank up there for sure. However, I was ranking it using almost the entire district. If Roosevelt would not have lost the 6 players on their team, all but one team in 26-5 would have been very good teams. Meaning that the bottom at the end could have or did beat the top teams. This is about how it turned out this year.. Judson, Madison, SV, Churchill, Reagan were all very good teams. If you look at 25-5 there were two teams ranked in the states top 25 and 26-5 knocked both of them out by large margins.

you are very right, but there are some very good districts out there.. for instance 6-5a who has irving macarthur, southgrand prarie and euless trinity. they nay not all still be in the playoffs but they were kicked out by some very good teams (southlake and plano)

[VB Pack Fan]

Well hear we go with ratings again. When will we all understand that these don,t mean "jack". In week sixteen at around 5:00 there will be one team that was sucessfully in 2005. That is the team that wins the tittle. All the other teams in D2 will not have met their expections, and the way I see it is they failed. I don,t know who that will be, but I have a guess as to what team it is. Then all the others will start talking about next season once more.Remember only ONE team will matter, so good luck and may the best team win.................. :)

[c-town_scout]

1.Southlake Carroll (nuff said)
2.Lufkin (very fast and strong)
3.Katy (overall good team)
4.Copperas Cove (extremely fast, lots of heart)
5.Smithson Valley (hungry to get back to the finals)
6.Abilene (great passing)
7.South Garland (upset city)
8.Plano (N\A)
9.Garland (serious contender)
10.Madison (N\A)

what do u think about these teams? :confused:

[Eagle81]

1. SLC
2. Lufkin
3. Katy
4. Abilene
5. Cove
6. Smithson Valley

After that I think it's a toss up. Obviously some will disagree with the order that I have, but honestly I think any one of these teams can win it all.

[pack0808]

Again, I appreciate everyone's confidence in the Lufkin Panthers, but we are taking one game at a time. All I can say right now is that we are in the top 16 in D2 and we are looking forward to playing South Garland on Saturday. Anything else is pure speculation.


I crack up at these fan's that act like it is not okay not to make predictions?? FYI The fan's can predict and brag all they want and that is what these boards are used for. The actual players and coaches are the ones that better not be looking ahead. Who cares what the fan's think!! Are you a player or a coach powerpack'd?? Well maybe you just believe in the jinx theory like me?? ;) That is why i do not like to look ahead even though i know down deep it really does not matter one bit if i look ahead as a fan. :)

[PowerPack'd]

I crack up at these fan's that act like it is not okay not to make predictions?? FYI The fan's can predict and brag all they want and that is what these boards are used for. The actual players and coaches are the ones that better not be looking ahead. Who cares what the fan's think!! Are you a player or a coach powerpack'd?? Well maybe you just believe in the jinx theory like me?? ;) That is why i do not like to look ahead even though i know down deep it really does not matter one bit if i look ahead as a fan. :)
Pack0808 - No, I am not a player or a coach. My playing days are behind me except for the occasional pickup game of whatever sport season it might be at the time. Honestly, I think we have the capability of winning it all...if we will take it one game at a time.

Let's just say I prefer a slice of humble pie over eating crow and anything can happen on any given weekend. I guess the other reason I take my approach is I don't know how many players or coaches may venture onto this board. Also, I want Lufkin to be known for its good sportsmanship and as a class act, which means I am not going to be the one saying how we are going to kick everyone else's tail and how we are a lock to meet up with SLC in the semis. Everyone is entitled to their own approach, this is mine. :)

[pack0808]

Pack0808 - No, I am not a player or a coach. My playing days are behind me except for the occasional pickup game of whatever sport season it might be at the time. Honestly, I think we have the capability of winning it all...if we will take it one game at a time.

Let's just say I prefer a slice of humble pie over eating crow and anything can happen on any given weekend. I guess the other reason I take my approach is I don't know how many players or coaches may venture onto this board. Also, I want Lufkin to be known for its good sportsmanship and as a class act, which means I am not going to be the one saying how we are going to kick everyone else's tail and how we are a lock to meet up with SLC in the semis. Everyone is entitled to their own approach, this is mine. :)


I understand!! I do not think it is bragging to give a prediction though. Just my opinion. Either way i do understand.

[GoRangers]

Pack0808 - No, I am not a player or a coach. My playing days are behind me except for the occasional pickup game of whatever sport season it might be at the time. Honestly, I think we have the capability of winning it all...if we will take it one game at a time.

Let's just say I prefer a slice of humble pie over eating crow and anything can happen on any given weekend. I guess the other reason I take my approach is I don't know how many players or coaches may venture onto this board. Also, I want Lufkin to be known for its good sportsmanship and as a class act, which means I am not going to be the one saying how we are going to kick everyone else's tail and how we are a lock to meet up with SLC in the semis. Everyone is entitled to their own approach, this is mine. :)

I like your approach!!

[BigWhiteJake]

whoevere ktlineman is saying you have beaten southlake is rather moot, thaats like saying lufkin will automatically kick our ***** because thats all they have ever done in the past...the last time being 2003...other than that pointing out what a team "was ranked at that time" is pretty dumb...well TCU should be ranked 7th in the country because when they beat OU they were ranked 8th...see where that logic falls through...Also now that I have had a chance to watch my film this week I reordered my top 10...
SLC
Cove
Lufkin
t4 katy
t4 abilene
smithson valley
garland
plano
SA Madison
t10 midland
t10 south garland

im looking forward more and more to watchiing lufkin/cove play southlake, the more i see of tthe lufkin D the more i think they can stop carroll, and the more i see of cove's O, the more i think they can play a shootout

[Attempt # IV]

the 5-5 churchill yall keep talking about beating SV, not to mention judson, had a healthy QB in Fanuzzi, a D1 shoe in. after he got hurt (first series in first game after SV upset) Churchills season went to crap

[lonny23]

I crack up at these fan's that act like it is not okay not to make predictions?? FYI The fan's can predict and brag all they want and that is what these boards are used for. The actual players and coaches are the ones that better not be looking ahead. Who cares what the fan's think!! Are you a player or a coach powerpack'd?? Well maybe you just believe in the jinx theory like me?? ;) That is why i do not like to look ahead even though i know down deep it really does not matter one bit if i look ahead as a fan. :)
You're right, but even if players and coaches make picks, it's OK as long as they put in the hard work. You have to respect what your opponent can do, but that doesn't mean you have to act like you're not going to beat them.

[sendero]

the 5-5 churchill yall keep talking about beating SV, not to mention judson, had a healthy QB in Fanuzzi, a D1 shoe in. after he got hurt (first series in first game after SV upset) Churchills season went to crap

I believe they would have pushed Madison to the D1 spot?

[grayowl60]

I believe they would have pushed Madison to the D1 spot?
Garland ( the Owls, Garland High School, Old Garland) dont need to be rated, Iknow the coaches and players are just honoured to be playing, and the highest Garland has been rated in years, was the year that Lngview beat the hell out of us in the first round, and were not rated high the year we won state. So, raters, pass over Garland :D

[DawgDave]

Grayowl60 - I like your thinking.
No easy ones after the first round of playoffs.
Hope we see a good, hard-fought, clean game.
Good luck to both teams.
GO DAWGS!!!!