**Carroll Dragon Fan Thread**

[crunked9]

I am pretty sure it wasn't 30-14 at half.

Lufkin scored in the 2nd half

[toonman]

I thought it was 30-7 at halftime.... Cant fully remember though.


All this talk of the 2002 game vs Lufkin has me all excited. I think I will now watch the DVD of that game to cheer myself up and bring back memories of the glory days.

[crunked9]

All this talk of the 2002 game vs Lufkin has me all excited. I think I will now watch the DVD of that game to cheer myself up and bring back memories of the glory days.

Then let us know what the score was!

And look for the the tackle by #9 after #7 throws the pick........ You will know when you see it! It's in the 3rd qtr.

[SLC]

30-14 at half.


I do know that this site says (in their greatest games section) that the game was 30-14 in the 3rd qtr....


I've tried finding an old box score on that game, but failed.

[crunked9]

I do know that this site says (in their greatest games section) that the game was 30-14 in the 3rd qtr....


I've tried finding an old box score on that game, but failed.

I am thinking it 20-14 at the half.

[gasman]

Thanks for the welcome. Lufkin was also the 2001 Div 2 State Champs. My older son played for Lufkin in 2004. Again SLC beat Lufkin 37-30 in Waco. It feels great to play for the best.

[gasman]

We're glad you're here.

Dr.Edward,

I enjoy reading your posts. You have alot of respect from many on this forum. Have you lived in SLC for a Number of years?

[dragonsdaddy]

I am thinking it 20-14 at the half.

lp missed an xp after the penalty for celebrating on the last play of the half. critical play.

[SLC13]

I am thinking it 20-14 at the half.

lp missed an xp after the penalty for celebrating on the last play of the half. critical play.

You both have good memories.......LP led 20-14 at halftime when their QB scrambled for a 30 yd TD as time ran out. The missed xp became very critical when LP scored 10 more in the 3Q to lead 30-14. The Dragons were able to rally for a TD and 2pt conversion late in the 3rd to close to 30-22 going into the 4Q. We scored again with about 3 minutes left in the game to tie it at 30-30 and then got the crucial interception and runback to setup the winning FG.

This one still ranks as one the top 2-3 Dragon games that I've seen. :)

[SLC]

You both have good memories.......LP led 20-14 at halftime when their QB scrambled for a 30 yd TD as time ran out. The missed xp became very critical when LP scored 10 more in the 3Q to lead 30-14. The Dragons were able to rally for a TD and 2pt conversion late in the 3rd to close to 30-22 going into the 4Q. We scored again with about 3 minutes left in the game to tie it at 30-30 and then got the crucial interception and runback to setup the winning FG.

This one still ranks as one the top 2-3 Dragon games that I've seen. :)

Damn. You have a fine memory.. I tried and tried to remember and couldn't, then I tried to find a box score on it and couldn't.. Thank you.

[SLC13]

Damn. You have a fine memory.. I tried and tried to remember and couldn't, then I tried to find a box score on it and couldn't.. Thank you.

I remembered most of that, but cheated a little by watching the DVD again to check my memory.......:D

[gasman]

I remembered most of that, but cheated a little by watching the DVD again to check my memory.......:D

Thank God for DVD. I just remember the final score. I still remain in contact with some Lufkin friends and that is all they talk about is to get another chance at SL. It would be alot of fun to play LP again.

[DrEdward]

Dr.Edward,

I enjoy reading your posts. You have alot of respect from many on this forum. Have you lived in SLC for a Number of years?

Thanks. I found my way to Southlake and Carroll 20 years ago. The place has changed a great deal since I moved here, both the community and the school. As I recall, Southlake was about 5,000 to 6,000 population back then with Carroll High School still about 550 total in 9 -12. Played the sub-varsity games on the hill and pained the football field on Wednesday nights of home games. Miss that atmosphere, but the last several years have been very special as well. I just hope that all the Carroll fans realize what a special situation they have enjoyed and the teachers, coaches and students who have made it so.

[DrEdward]

I remembered most of that, but cheated a little by watching the DVD again to check my memory.......:D

Including crunked's fourth down catch to keep the whole thing alive? :notworthy I still have the photograph of that one around here somewhere.

[gasman]

Thanks. I found my way to Southlake and Carroll 20 years ago. The place has changed a great deal since I moved here, both the community and the school. As I recall, Southlake was about 5,000 to 6,000 population back then with Carroll High School still about 550 total in 9 -12. Played the sub-varsity games on the hill and pained the football field on Wednesday nights of home games. Miss that atmosphere, but the last several years have been very special as well. I just hope that all the Carroll fans realize what a special situation they have enjoyed and the teachers, coaches and students who have made it so.


Thats great. SL has been even better than I thought. I moved around Texas starting from my hometown of Navasota where I grew up and graduated HS. I have lived in Houston, Arlington, Gainesville, Uvalde, Lufkin and now SL. All job related but this is my last stop. I wish I could have lived here for the past twenty years. SL is a great place to live and I am thankful for the teachers, coaches, and students here at SLC. Happy New Year to all.

[dragonpants]

Not offering an excuse, just curious to hear your view on this as I really didn't get to see that many games this year - didn't the interior of the defense really fare a little better prior to Finck missing games and Foster getting banged up? At the start of the year, that never seemed to be a concern... but that might have been a function of the offensive styles that SLC faced, I don't know. How heavily do you think the two things I mentioned (Finck out, Foster injured) played into that? Also, other than Finck, Sims, and Halliman, any insight into who might get a shot at DT this year? I noticed in one player's highlight clip that #45 played the position a little bit, and he was a big junior I believe.

I have not read much past this post so maybe someone already mentioned it, by the way I hope everyone had a safe and enjoyable holiday. I stayed away from the boards and focused on the family etc etc.
Not trying to second guess the coaches but we seem to have a number of good to excellent linebackers and if we are undersized on the interior, tough to say with all the injuries doesn't it make sense to at least occasionally run a
3-4? We did it a few times last year and it seemed to work.
Now I am sure that does not make #43 happy as he is a stud and in a 3-4 he is going to get double teamed quite a bit but he could move strong side weak side to help alleviate it that some. In obvious passing situations he could move to OLB and rush from there. just some thoughts and again I am just going on the assumption that we are undersized at DT.

[SLC13]

Including crunked's fourth down catch to keep the whole thing alive? :notworthy I still have the photograph of that one around here somewhere.

That was a terrific catch!! The magical ending would not have been possible without that play. :notworthy

If you happen to find the picture, please post it for all to see.

[SLC]

That was a terrific catch!! The magical ending would not have been possible without that play. :notworthy

If you happen to find the picture, please post it for all to see.


I've got 2 pics from that game, including......

http://www.leaguelineup.com/04dragonsfootball/photos/Salari%20catch%2002.bmp

And...

http://www.leaguelineup.com/04dragonsfootball/photos/chndlertd2.jpg

[4rings]

That was a terrific catch!! The magical ending would not have been possible without that play. :notworthy

If you happen to find the picture, please post it for all to see.

The picture probably has a patent on it (maybe even from REB photo):D.

[4rings]

I have not read much past this post so maybe someone already mentioned it, by the way I hope everyone had a safe and enjoyable holiday. I stayed away from the boards and focused on the family etc etc.
Not trying to second guess the coaches but we seem to have a number of good to excellent linebackers and if we are undersized on the interior, tough to say with all the injuries doesn't it make sense to at least occasionally run a
4-3? We did it a few times last year and it seemed to work.
Now I am sure that does not make #43 happy as he is a stud and in a 3-4 he is going to get double teamed quite a bit but he could move strong side weak side to help alleviate it that some. In obvious passing situations he could move to OLB and rush from there. just some thoughts and again I am just going on the assumption that we are undersized at DT.


I think you mean a 3-4? Problem last year was that we weren't real deep at LB or DT. Also, Wasson prefers the 4-3.

[4rings]

Then let us know what the score was!

And look for the the tackle by #9 after #7 throws the pick........ You will know when you see it! It's in the 3rd qtr.

What tackle? The Lufkin guy "tripped" over some slow, fat, receiver.:D

[SLC]

what tackle? The lufkin guy "tripped" over some slow, fat, receiver.:d


Hahaha. Thats funny as hell..

[dragonpants]

I think you mean a 3-4? Problem last year was that we weren't real deep at LB or DT. Also, Wasson prefers the 4-3.

You are correct and I edited my post, I was under the impression we were pretty deep at LB and I know early in the season we platooned a lot of DT's and after the injuries that stopped.
Was just a thought.

[crunked9]

What tackle? The Lufkin guy "tripped" over some slow, fat, receiver.:D

#9 delivered the blow!!

[SLC]

#9 delivered the blow!!

http://www.leaguelineup.com/04dragonsfootball/photos/Salari%20catch%2002.bmp

[dragonsdaddy]

#9 delivered the blow!!

as the back of his head hit the carpet. there's a reason he played offense.

[crunked9]

as the back of his head hit the carpet. there's a reason he played offense.

Can't argue that!

[SLC]

Can't argue that!

Especially when you cant see straight.:D

Hell of a play though...

[SLC13]

http://www.leaguelineup.com/04dragonsfootball/photos/Salari%20catch%2002.bmp

SLC, Nice picture of crunked9's catch!!

BTW, What happened to your username?? Did you just get tired of all the grief and change it??

[SLC]

SLC, Nice picture of crunked9's catch!!

BTW, What happened to your username?? Did you just get tired of all the grief and change it??

Yes.. To many people were taking it the wrong way.. It was never meant to be pompus.. It had it's own meaning to me.. I just figured I would change it rather than fight off all the grief.

And that is a great pic btw.:)

[dragonpants]

Yes.. To many people were taking it the wrong way.. It was never meant to be pompus.. It had it's own meaning to me.. I just figured I would change it rather than fight off all the grief.

And that is a great pic btw.:)

I was contemplating changing my name to Carrollisthebestsosuckit, and my avatar is me holding my crotch. You do not think that would go over well?

[SLC]

I was contemplating changing my name to Carrollisthebestsosuckit, and my avatar is me holding my crotch. You do not think that would go over well?

Eh, likely not... But it would be very cool if you did it anyway.. I'd lol..:D

[dragons08]

I was contemplating changing my name to Carrollisthebestsosuckit, and my avatar is me holding my crotch. You do not think that would go over well?

Do et.

[dragons08]

Yes.. To many people were taking it the wrong way.. It was never meant to be pompus.. It had it's own meaning to me.. I just figured I would change it rather than fight off all the grief.

And that is a great pic btw.:)

Yet again slc gives in to peer pressure.

Grow some cajones.

[SLC]

Yet again slc gives in to peer pressure.

Grow some cajones.


Na.. It's fine...plus it's alot faster to login now anyway.

[DragonFan0316]

Here is a recommendation for the new year. We have a lot of big tall O-linemen. Move some of them to D-tackle. If you are using a 4-3, their biggest responsibility will be to tie up blockers. Every now and then they can stand straight up and block passing lanes. What do y'all think?

[dragonpants]

Do et.

I was only kidding but I will get a picture taken and put it up for a couple of days just to stir some crap up.
I think the Got Rings t-shirt will be displayed or maybe the Dragon Tattoo.

I will figure it out, I will have to contact my design consultant.

[TigerHat]

Outside of MNW, which was a heck of a game that could have gone either way with the #1 vs. #2 teams in the country, 3 of your 4 examples were finished without the senior QB. IMO in High School, QB play is more critical than either college or in the pros. Or at least the lack of experience. I had my preferences also when Dodge left, but I can't fault Wasson overall.

Didn't Riley have his nose broken against MNW? I know there was a lot of blood on the towel.

Lets run a thought experiment: We test you for passing accuracy - then somebody gets to hit you in the face - break your nose/ give you a really bad bloody nose - then we test your passing accuracy again. Surprise: your passing accuracy goes way down.

Riley's passing wasn't the same after the injury in that game. He doesn't get hurt - that game is closer too.

[drgnbkr]

Didn't Riley have his nose broken against MNW? I know there was a lot of blood on the towel.

Lets run a thought experiment: We test you for passing accuracy - then somebody gets to hit you in the face - break your nose/ give you a really bad bloody nose - then we test your passing accuracy again. Surprise: your passing accuracy goes way down.

Riley's passing wasn't the same after the injury in that game. He doesn't get hurt - that game is closer too.

Yeah, I think he got a helmet under the face mask...Padron went in for a few plays and almost got a score, but I think overthrew on a fade route. It was also the game where Tre Newton hurt his ankle which bothered him for most of the season. I can still see him running toward the end zone right at daddy Nate and Deion, only to fumble at the 5.:eek:

[DrEdward]

I was only kidding but I will get a picture taken and put it up for a couple of days just to stir some crap up.
I think the Got Rings t-shirt will be displayed or maybe the Dragon Tattoo.

I will figure it out, I will have to contact my design consultant.

I'm biased, as you know, but I do like the "Got Rings" t-shirt. Bob needs to update and do another version.

[dragonpants]

I'm biased, as you know, but I do like the "Got Rings" t-shirt. Bob needs to update and do another version.

Needs another Ring correct?
I will check the back of it out when I get home.

[CCCSportsFan]

Needs another Ring correct?
I will check the back of it out when I get home.

I'd buy a couple of them if Bob makes some more...

[SLC93]

Folks, all of you, it's been entirely toooo long. Allow me to begin with a sincere apology to our friends I had plans to meet up with at the Cedar Hill game. My intentions were true but life got in the way. Since I've been gone our boys bowed out, Trinity got upset, Allen has proven their mettle, Katy did what Katy does (more on that to come) and so much more. I'd like to believe that I'll get caught up on this thread. There may even be a chance as the dreaded month of January is upon us. If so, please forgive the digging up of long ago made points. If not, I'm sure I'll do just fine. In a nut shell, my wife and I are now the proud parents of a precious baby boy. Brayden Douglas was born at 11:15pm on December 15th. We had a few concerns in the weeks leading up to his arrival but all is extremely well now and our cup runneth over. He is our first so we're in the zombie phase most new parents walk around in though it hasn't been that bad. Between his arrival, the holidays, the 123 birthdays my family managed to work into December, work and the sheer disappointment/frustration of our last game I just haven't been able to get on much. Things are on the level now and I should beable to come out and play a bit more often. For those of you that pm'd me to make sure all was well, I want to thank you, sincerely and from the bottom of my heart. We have alot of fun and hurt feelings around these parts. Knowing that you have some cyber buddies that really care makes this board what it is. Back to the banter and on with the show!

First roundhouse that has already been discussed, I'm certain. I will not bash the staff. I have been supportive of the transition, message and production of Wasson and company, thus far. Then something funny happened. I watched a Katy team that graduated everybody from a superstar team( sound familiar?) overcome three losses and win a state title. We all know what great coaching looks like. For many, many years it has patrolled our sideline. What Joseph and his staff did this season only helps to illustrate what many in the dragon nation are worried about. Does our staff, as presently constructed, have greatness in them or are they a good staff that will run a good program that is doomed to come up short? Thoughts? Katy's run really illustrates this argument/concern. They just showed what no amount of argument on here could ever prove, conclusively. Are we set up to be great, really good or just good?

[E-Vol-ution]

Congratulations.............getting sleep at night yet?Folks, all of you, it's been entirely toooo long. Allow me to begin with a sincere apology to our friends I had plans to meet up with at the Cedar Hill game. My intentions were true but life got in the way. Since I've been gone our boys bowed out, Trinity got upset, Allen has proven their mettle, Katy did what Katy does (more on that to come) and so much more. I'd like to believe that I'll get caught up on this thread. There may even be a chance as the dreaded month of January is upon us. If so, please forgive the digging up of long ago made points. If not, I'm sure I'll do just fine. In a nut shell, my wife and I are now the proud parents of a precious baby boy. Brayden Douglas was born at 11:15pm on December 15th. We had a few concerns in the weeks leading up to his arrival but all is extremely well now and our cup runneth over. He is our first so we're in the zombie phase most new parents walk around in though it hasn't been that bad. Between his arrival, the holidays, the 123 birthdays my family managed to work into December, work and the sheer disappointment/frustration of our last game I just haven't been able to get on much. Things are on the level now and I should beable to come out and play a bit more often. For those of you that pm'd me to make sure all was well, I want to thank you, sincerely and from the bottom of my heart. We have alot of fun and hurt feelings around these parts. Knowing that you have some cyber buddies that really care makes this board what it is. Back to the banter and on with the show!

First roundhouse that has already been discussed, I'm certain. I will not bash the staff. I have been supportive of the transition, message and production of Wasson and company, thus far. Then something funny happened. I watched a Katy team that graduated everybody from a superstar team( sound familiar?) overcome three losses and win a state title. We all know what great coaching looks like. For many, many years it has patrolled our sideline. What Joseph and his staff did this season only helps to illustrate what many in the dragon nation are worried about. Does our staff, as presently constructed, have greatness in them or are they a good staff that will run a good program that is doomed to come up short? Thoughts? Katy's run really illustrates this argument/concern. They just showed what no amount of argument on here could ever prove, conclusively. Are we set up to be great, really good or just good?

[CCCSportsFan]

Folks, all of you, it's been entirely toooo long. Allow me to begin with a sincere apology to our friends I had plans to meet up with at the Cedar Hill game. My intentions were true but life got in the way. Since I've been gone our boys bowed out, Trinity got upset, Allen has proven their mettle, Katy did what Katy does (more on that to come) and so much more. I'd like to believe that I'll get caught up on this thread. There may even be a chance as the dreaded month of January is upon us. If so, please forgive the digging up of long ago made points. If not, I'm sure I'll do just fine. In a nut shell, my wife and I are now the proud parents of a precious baby boy. Brayden Douglas was born at 11:15pm on December 15th. We had a few concerns in the weeks leading up to his arrival but all is extremely well now and our cup runneth over. He is our first so we're in the zombie phase most new parents walk around in though it hasn't been that bad. Between his arrival, the holidays, the 123 birthdays my family managed to work into December, work and the sheer disappointment/frustration of our last game I just haven't been able to get on much. Things are on the level now and I should beable to come out and play a bit more often. For those of you that pm'd me to make sure all was well, I want to thank you, sincerely and from the bottom of my heart. We have alot of fun and hurt feelings around these parts. Knowing that you have some cyber buddies that really care makes this board what it is. Back to the banter and on with the show!

First roundhouse that has already been discussed, I'm certain. I will not bash the staff. I have been supportive of the transition, message and production of Wasson and company, thus far. Then something funny happened. I watched a Katy team that graduated everybody from a superstar team( sound familiar?) overcome three losses and win a state title. We all know what great coaching looks like. For many, many years it has patrolled our sideline. What Joseph and his staff did this season only helps to illustrate what many in the dragon nation are worried about. Does our staff, as presently constructed, have greatness in them or are they a good staff that will run a good program that is doomed to come up short? Thoughts? Katy's run really illustrates this argument/concern. They just showed what no amount of argument on here could ever prove, conclusively. Are we set up to be great, really good or just good?

What a pleasant and unexpected surprise! Welcome back SLC93 and congratulations on joining the fraternity of fatherhood!!!

[SLC]

Folks, all of you, it's been entirely toooo long. Allow me to begin with a sincere apology to our friends I had plans to meet up with at the Cedar Hill game. My intentions were true but life got in the way. Since I've been gone our boys bowed out, Trinity got upset, Allen has proven their mettle, Katy did what Katy does (more on that to come) and so much more. I'd like to believe that I'll get caught up on this thread. There may even be a chance as the dreaded month of January is upon us. If so, please forgive the digging up of long ago made points. If not, I'm sure I'll do just fine. In a nut shell, my wife and I are now the proud parents of a precious baby boy. Brayden Douglas was born at 11:15pm on December 15th. We had a few concerns in the weeks leading up to his arrival but all is extremely well now and our cup runneth over. He is our first so we're in the zombie phase most new parents walk around in though it hasn't been that bad. Between his arrival, the holidays, the 123 birthdays my family managed to work into December, work and the sheer disappointment/frustration of our last game I just haven't been able to get on much. Things are on the level now and I should beable to come out and play a bit more often. For those of you that pm'd me to make sure all was well, I want to thank you, sincerely and from the bottom of my heart. We have alot of fun and hurt feelings around these parts. Knowing that you have some cyber buddies that really care makes this board what it is. Back to the banter and on with the show!

First roundhouse that has already been discussed, I'm certain. I will not bash the staff. I have been supportive of the transition, message and production of Wasson and company, thus far. Then something funny happened. I watched a Katy team that graduated everybody from a superstar team( sound familiar?) overcome three losses and win a state title. We all know what great coaching looks like. For many, many years it has patrolled our sideline. What Joseph and his staff did this season only helps to illustrate what many in the dragon nation are worried about. Does our staff, as presently constructed, have greatness in them or are they a good staff that will run a good program that is doomed to come up short? Thoughts? Katy's run really illustrates this argument/concern. They just showed what no amount of argument on here could ever prove, conclusively. Are we set up to be great, really good or just good?

Hey brother, Glad to hear all is well. We missed you and thought of you often.. I figured your absense was baby related.. So with that let me say..

Congratulations:notworthy

On the baby boy.. My oldest is 16, but my youngest is 4 so I remember what its like to have that new addition..They are so very precious and truly reflect what lifes meaning is all about..You are blessed and deserve to be a proud papa.

As far as our staff goes, many of us have laid out our feelings on the matter as you will read in the posts.. And I have reached the conclussion that I want to give the staff 1 more season of rope before I hang them.. I want to see Hal finish the season with a starting QB and a relatively healthy team before I pass further judgement on him.. At least at that point he will get the same far shake that TD enjoyed, as he never had to deal with the injuries Hal has.

My honest feeling on this team next season is very positive..Lots of returning experience on both sides of the ball, a group that will be as hungry as ever to return to a deep run into the post season, along with a staff that will be eager to get the bad taste of the past 2 seasons out of their mouths.

[SLC93]

Congratulations.............getting sleep at night yet?

As long as he's sleeping on Daddy's chest we have no worries.

[SLC93]

What a pleasant and unexpected surprise! Welcome back SLC93 and congratulations on joining the fraternity of fatherhood!!!

I've never been so scared, happy, exhausted and lively at the same time. Gonna be quite the ride. Thanks!:D

[CCCSportsFan]

I've never been so scared, happy, exhausted and lively at the same time. Gonna be quite the ride. Thanks!:D

I remember that feeling like it was yesterday! When the doctor handed me our daughter for the first time I just froze. Then I looked at her face and melted with joy :)

[SLC93]

Hey brother, Glad to hear all is well. We missed you and thought of you often.. I figured your absense was baby related.. So with that let me say..

Congratulations:notworthy

On the baby boy.. My oldest is 16, but my youngest is 4 so I remember what its like to have that new addition..They are so very precious and truly reflect what lifes meaning is all about..You are blessed and deserve to be a proud papa.

As far as our staff goes, many of us have laid out our feelings on the matter as you will read in the posts.. And I have reached the conclussion that I want to give the staff 1 more season of rope before I hang them.. I want to see Hal finish the season with a starting QB and a relatively healthy team before I pass further judgement on him.. At least at that point he will get the same far shake that TD enjoyed, as he never had to deal with the injuries Hal has.
My honest feeling on this team next season is very positive..Lots of returning experience on both sides of the ball, a group that will be as hungry as ever to return to a deep run into the post season, along with a staff that will be eager to get the bad taste of the past 2 seasons out of their mouths.

Thanks! I reeeeeeeeaaaaalllllly wanted to be there with you all.

As do I. I stated as early as the midway point of 07 that Wasson had already dealt with more than TD did in the previous 7 years. The margin only continued to grow as we got through 2008. This is definitely a show me year for the staff. I have faith in them and our kids. We can all accept being less talented or a tick slower than the opponent. What does not fly in green is being anything other than polished and prepared. Cannot lose the sideline war.

[drgnbkr]

Welcome back brutha! Congratulations on the new 09 tax deduction!:D As far as coaching, did you go natural or epi-dural? I'm sure you were right there coaching her through it...:p As opposed to your coaching victory, as evidenced by young Brayden, Carroll coaching is still a work in progress to me, and like SLC, I'm up for seeing what goes on this upcoming year with all of the returning experience. If the Dragons get some continuity at the skill positions this year, the sky is the limit..IMO As far as Katy goes, they suck and never play anyone...

[E-Vol-ution]

Dude.....you are buried! I loved it too, but he will demand it. That is a feeling that is unexplainable. Look forward to getting sprayed....lol
You'll know he's the only guy that will ever get away with it and make you laugh.
As long as he's sleeping on Daddy's chest we have no worries.

[SLC]

Thanks! I reeeeeeeeaaaaalllllly wanted to be there with you all.

As do I. I stated as early as the midway point of 07 that Wasson had already dealt with more than TD did in the previous 7 years. The margin only continued to grow as we got through 2008. This is definitely a show me year for the staff. I have faith in them and our kids. We can all accept being less talented or a tick slower than the opponent. What does not fly in green is being anything other than polished and prepared. Cannot lose the sideline war.


I've missed you brother..Honestly.. We used to stay on here all day and cut up.. We talked ball of course, but we did alot of cutting up.. and I sorely missed that...I havent posted in this thread near as much as when you were here.. I've spent much more time in the college threads and the yard threads in your absence..I'm so glad to have you back..I feel all warm and cozy right now..All is right in your world, so now all is right in mine.:)

[SLC93]

Welcome back brutha! Congratulations on the new 09 tax deduction!:D As far as coaching, did you go natural or epi-dural? I'm sure you were right there coaching her through it...:p As opposed to your coaching victory, as evidenced by young Brayden, Carroll coaching is still a work in progress to me, and like SLC, I'm up for seeing what goes on this upcoming year with all of the returning experience. If the Dragons get some continuity at the skill positions this year, the sky is the limit..IMO As far as Katy goes, they suck and never play anyone...

Coached my arse off, 3A style!:D Didn't deny the Mrs. the good juice, though. Katy's road is always paved with better materials, for sure, but they got there. That's all I'm saying.;)

[E-Vol-ution]

We've gotta get the baby an Arlington Bowie shirt......:)As long as he's sleeping on Daddy's chest we have no worries.

[SLC]

We've gotta get the baby an Arlington Bowie shirt......:)

FAIL.:ninja:

[slcdragonfan]

Yeah, I think he got a helmet under the face mask...Padron went in for a few plays and almost got a score, but I think overthrew on a fade route. It was also the game where Tre Newton hurt his ankle which bothered him for most of the season. I can still see him running toward the end zone right at daddy Nate and Deion, only to fumble at the 5.:eek:

I believe Padron threw an int in the end zone?

[SLC93]

I remember that feeling like it was yesterday! When the doctor handed me our daughter for the first time I just froze. Then I looked at her face and melted with joy :)

A potential daughter scares me to pieces. No lie.:notworthy

[SLC93]

We've gotta get the baby an Arlington Bowie shirt......:)

Or at least a Christian Matthews jersey.;)

[SLC93]

I believe Padron threw an int in the end zone?

Yeah. Ballsy throw that was just a hair off target. Against almost any other dbackfield that was a td.

[slcdragonfan]

Here is a recommendation for the new year. We have a lot of big tall O-linemen. Move some of them to D-tackle. If you are using a 4-3, their biggest responsibility will be to tie up blockers. Every now and then they can stand straight up and block passing lanes. What do y'all think?

Works for me as long as we still have the protection. IMO, the defensive problems were related to a number of things, but part of them in certain games were too much time on the field due to offensive issues.

[CCCSportsFan]

A potential daughter scares me to pieces. No lie.:notworthy

Tell me about it :eek:

We're now looking at colleges... The ride back from Baylor was one the most depressing times of my life!!

[SLC]

I believe Padron threw an int in the end zone?


Yep, Khalid Marshall intercepted his pass in the endzone, Riley threw 1 as well.. Also the 2 fumbles were killers..

[slcdragonfan]

slc93, congrats on your child; life will definitely be different (and better) from here on.

Also good to read your comments, welcome back.

[SLC]

93 got the Hall of Fame staus... Well done sir...:notworthy

[CCCSportsFan]

93 got the Hall of Fame staus... Well done sir...:notworthy

Congrats SLC93 and well deserved :notworthy :D

[dragonpants]

Folks, all of you, it's been entirely toooo long. Allow me to begin with a sincere apology to our friends I had plans to meet up with at the Cedar Hill game. My intentions were true but life got in the way. Since I've been gone our boys bowed out, Trinity got upset, Allen has proven their mettle, Katy did what Katy does (more on that to come) and so much more. I'd like to believe that I'll get caught up on this thread. There may even be a chance as the dreaded month of January is upon us. If so, please forgive the digging up of long ago made points. If not, I'm sure I'll do just fine. In a nut shell, my wife and I are now the proud parents of a precious baby boy. Brayden Douglas was born at 11:15pm on December 15th. We had a few concerns in the weeks leading up to his arrival but all is extremely well now and our cup runneth over. He is our first so we're in the zombie phase most new parents walk around in though it hasn't been that bad. Between his arrival, the holidays, the 123 birthdays my family managed to work into December, work and the sheer disappointment/frustration of our last game I just haven't been able to get on much. Things are on the level now and I should beable to come out and play a bit more often. For those of you that pm'd me to make sure all was well, I want to thank you, sincerely and from the bottom of my heart. We have alot of fun and hurt feelings around these parts. Knowing that you have some cyber buddies that really care makes this board what it is. Back to the banter and on with the show!

First roundhouse that has already been discussed, I'm certain. I will not bash the staff. I have been supportive of the transition, message and production of Wasson and company, thus far. Then something funny happened. I watched a Katy team that graduated everybody from a superstar team( sound familiar?) overcome three losses and win a state title. We all know what great coaching looks like. For many, many years it has patrolled our sideline. What Joseph and his staff did this season only helps to illustrate what many in the dragon nation are worried about. Does our staff, as presently constructed, have greatness in them or are they a good staff that will run a good program that is doomed to come up short? Thoughts? Katy's run really illustrates this argument/concern. They just showed what no amount of argument on here could ever prove, conclusively. Are we set up to be great, really good or just good?

Congrats............your life will never be the same, most of it for the better, and I reiterate "MOST OF IT".
Children are truly a blessing and certainly gives a totally new perspective on the world.
When my first boy was born I was told I was just staring and kept repeating " he is all done, he is all done". It is an amazing sight to see this little person with hair and finger nails etc.....OK enough of the mushy stuff you no showing slacker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
I am with you in that I am totally behind the coaches if for no other reason than the kids sake. While you were away one of the players came on here and blasted us all pretty good and of course we deserved it.
Katy's season was truly something to behold. If that is not proof enough that coaching is more than 50% of this deal nothing is. Joseph of course has been around a little bit longer than Hal so the system was already in place but he did an unbelievable job of coaching even though they play the equivalent of a 2A schedule....just kidding KT's calm down.
Good to have you back I look forward to discussing all of the world's most important issues with you.
Happy New Year.

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Brayden Douglas was born at 11:15pm on December 15th.

He sounds like a pass-rushing terror already. Get the kid some creatine and get him in the weightroom already.

Congrats again buddy. God bless your family!

[dragonpants]

He sounds like a pass-rushing terror already. Get the kid some creatine and get him in the weightroom already.

Congrats again buddy. God bless your family!

We need to get him within the district limits first. I am sure we can get that arranged for educational purposes ;).

[SLC93]

Dude.....you are buried! I loved it too, but he will demand it. That is a feeling that is unexplainable. Look forward to getting sprayed....lol
You'll know he's the only guy that will ever get away with it and make you laugh.

Not to brag but the kids got range.:D

[SLC93]

Tell me about it :eek:

We're now looking at colleges... The ride back from Baylor was one the most depressing times of my life!!

Baylor has that effext on people.:D

[SLC93]

93 got the Hall of Fame staus... Well done sir...:notworthy

Congrats SLC93 and well deserved :notworthy :D


Thank you, gentlemen. I've been informed that I am part of a four member class. Congrats also to CKE, Firebird and Mad_Fan!

[SLC93]

Congrats............your life will never be the same, most of it for the better, and I reiterate "MOST OF IT".
Children are truly a blessing and certainly gives a totally new perspective on the world.
When my first boy was born I was told I was just staring and kept repeating " he is all done, he is all done". It is an amazing sight to see this little person with hair and finger nails etc.....OK enough of the mushy stuff you no showing slacker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
I am with you in that I am totally behind the coaches if for no other reason than the kids sake. While you were away one of the players came on here and blasted us all pretty good and of course we deserved it.
Katy's season was truly something to behold. If that is not proof enough that coaching is more than 50% of this deal nothing is. Joseph of course has been around a little bit longer than Hal so the system was already in place but he did an unbelievable job of coaching even though they play the equivalent of a 2A schedule....just kidding KT's calm down.
Good to have you back I look forward to discussing all of the world's most important issues with you.
Happy New Year.

All I can keep thinking and what I keep telling him is that we're going to get into sooooo much trouble together. Really, who thought this was a good idea? Give 93 a boy? As far as I'm concerned, the big man upstairs asked for this. :)

I choose to focus on the positive, for the most part. Wasson came into an impossible situation, by choice. That is more than sooooooooo many can say and should be commended. He's dealt with more than his fair share of adversity. The tough times have been compounded by the fact that they have immediately followed the most storybook seasons a 5A program has ever strung together. Through it all he has managed to win 80% of his games, a district title and several playoff games. He'd be the bmoc at the va
st majority of schools across the land. I also really liked how this team was looking with Padron. It was different but thats not a bad thing. Year three will feature a ton of talent, experience on both sides of the ball and all the big district threats at DS. It is definitely shaping up to be a show me year.

[SLC93]

He sounds like a pass-rushing terror already. Get the kid some creatine and get him in the weightroom already.

Congrats again buddy. God bless your family!


Thought y'all might like that. Good, strong name.:D

[SLC93]

We need to get him within the district limits first. I am sure we can get that arranged for educational purposes ;).

The grands still reside in the childhood estate. We're golden.;):D

[farmerfan]

Thank you, gentlemen. I've been informed that I am part of a four member class. Congrats also to CKE, Firebird and Mad_Fan!

You don't deserve it ;)

Congrats on the new addition. We've missed ya around these parts.

Glad everything is alright and my prayers to your family for a healthy child growing up :notworthy

[SLC13]

slc93, congrats on your child; life will definitely be different (and better) from here on.

Also good to read your comments, welcome back.

+1

[green day]

Thought y'all might like that. Good, strong name.:D

I predicted you'd be back...:)

Congratulations on the new tax deduction, er, arrival:o !! You're gonna be a great dad...

[SLC93]

You don't deserve it ;)

Congrats on the new addition. We've missed ya around these parts.

Glad everything is alright and my prayers to your family for a healthy child growing up :notworthy

I know it's deserved because Farmer denied it! Thanks for the words. I remember the first time you called me out on the board. I may have gotten a little mouthy about the power of a certain 3A wishbone. You may have said something about my body of work, all 30ish posts or so.....good times.






-ps- my bone's still better than yours!:D

[SLC93]

I predicted you'd be back...:)

Congratulations on the new tax deduction, er, arrival:o !! You're gonna be a great dad...

Predicted my return = I just fell out of my chair a little wetter than when I sat in it!

Brayden Deduction.......actually suggested that. The wife wasn't feeling it, though. Thanks!

[SLC93]

In Reference to the comment that these two teams would have gone undefeated with Dodge as the coach, HIGHLY UNLIKELY. You remove the catalyst from any team, THE QB and you will not win at any level. From Highschool to college to NFL. As for the reference to the fumbled snap, any QB that has ever played the game knows how to take a snap under center as they learn in seventh grade. That team would have lost the next week even if they had beaten Abilene, Why you ask...Because their Catalyst Riley would have been out. Wake up and Realize that you win at any level first and foremost at the QB Position. As for people thinking that the players actually read these boards and it will affect their self-esteem, I think hs kids have better things to do with their time than to read what us wanna be's have to say about our 2 cents on the Program.

I'd have to say that the evidence supports Dodge as being, quite possibly, the greatest mentor of quartbacks in 5A history. I'd tend to believe he'd have gotten more out of Padron, possibly in a fantastic way.

[SLC93]

Tommy Avers is a pretty good RB.

This x 1000

[SLC93]

I can think of a former DC that is much better

Rest in Peace:)

[green day]

Why not, let's dust off the crystal ball to see what the Dragons have in store in 2009...

* After a long and thorough search for a new AD, Southlake announces the hiring of former Mojo legend, Gary Gaines, who seeks a place to share his experiences in a lower profile community. Gaines later resigns, citing his own lack of good judgement...

* Rumors of a return of Coach Dodge to the program are quickly stymied when North Texas wins it' first two games, creating delirium in Denton

* After MU QB Chase Daniel is passed over in the NFL draft, the entrepreneurial Daniel moves back to Southlake to open up " Quarterback Warehouse", catering to kids who want to get the most out of their minds and frames.

* Hal's Angels open up Jerry's world, by thrashing the Plano West Wolves 37-13, once again reminding the faithful why it's always a great day to be a Dragon!

* After Cowboy Kicker Folk misses a late FG in the following week, owner Jones pulls a David Clyde like move, signing 4 year kicker Cade Foster to a contract. Foster insists on a clause allowing him to join the defense in nickel situaitions.

* Following an avengence win against Coppell at Dragon Stadium, the Dragon Council invites Dave Campo to the Feed Store for some BBQ, causing the Coach to admit he really likes Southlake.

* This time, the green practice on Thanksgiving.

Happy New Year- buckle in, 2009 is going to be a great year!!

[15Adragon]

Brayden Douglas was born at 11:15pm on December 15th.

Congratulations! Coach Willingham (since he will still be at CISD) will send Brayden directions to 2 a days in the Summer 2023.

I trust that you survived the delivery. I was there for both of mine. The first was a scheduled delivery. I suggested that it was like getting a tee time. ehhh, that didn't go over too well. ;)

Seriously, it is great to hear from an "Old Dragon".

[DrEdward]

Thank you, gentlemen. I've been informed that I am part of a four member class. Congrats also to CKE, Firebird and Mad_Fan!

I feel so inadequate now. :rolleyes: Congratulations on the award and the new tax deduction.

[Pinion]

The Broncos got rid of Shannahan. Maybe SLC can get him to come on down. We'll do better next year with him.

[gasman]

Folks, all of you, it's been entirely toooo long. Allow me to begin with a sincere apology to our friends I had plans to meet up with at the Cedar Hill game. My intentions were true but life got in the way. Since I've been gone our boys bowed out, Trinity got upset, Allen has proven their mettle, Katy did what Katy does (more on that to come) and so much more. I'd like to believe that I'll get caught up on this thread. There may even be a chance as the dreaded month of January is upon us. If so, please forgive the digging up of long ago made points. If not, I'm sure I'll do just fine. In a nut shell, my wife and I are now the proud parents of a precious baby boy. Brayden Douglas was born at 11:15pm on December 15th. We had a few concerns in the weeks leading up to his arrival but all is extremely well now and our cup runneth over. He is our first so we're in the zombie phase most new parents walk around in though it hasn't been that bad. Between his arrival, the holidays, the 123 birthdays my family managed to work into December, work and the sheer disappointment/frustration of our last game I just haven't been able to get on much. Things are on the level now and I should beable to come out and play a bit more often. For those of you that pm'd me to make sure all was well, I want to thank you, sincerely and from the bottom of my heart. We have alot of fun and hurt feelings around these parts. Knowing that you have some cyber buddies that really care makes this board what it is. Back to the banter and on with the show!

First roundhouse that has already been discussed, I'm certain. I will not bash the staff. I have been supportive of the transition, message and production of Wasson and company, thus far. Then something funny happened. I watched a Katy team that graduated everybody from a superstar team( sound familiar?) overcome three losses and win a state title. We all know what great coaching looks like. For many, many years it has patrolled our sideline. What Joseph and his staff did this season only helps to illustrate what many in the dragon nation are worried about. Does our staff, as presently constructed, have greatness in them or are they a good staff that will run a good program that is doomed to come up short? Thoughts? Katy's run really illustrates this argument/concern. They just showed what no amount of argument on here could ever prove, conclusively. Are we set up to be great, really good or just good?

Congratulations to you and your wife. I am glad everything is ok. May the Dragon nation prevail. Happy new year to your family.

[gasman]

A potential daughter scares me to pieces. No lie.:notworthy


Hey, I know how you feel. My wife and I were blessed with three boys first and then a daughter. Daddy's little girls usually get what they want. They are so different in a unique way.

[SLC]

The Broncos got rid of Shannahan. Maybe SLC can get him to come on down. We'll do better next year with him.

:D:D:notworthy

[E-Vol-ution]

Tell me about it. I was on pins and needles while mine was attending University of Illinois. I couldn't help but tear up and have flashbacks as she walked across that stage at graduation.
My first son? He was expected to succeed and excell. It was no surprise watching him do well.
Hey, I know how you feel. My wife and I were blessed with three boys first and then a daughter. Daddy's little girls usually get what they want. They are so different in a unique way.

[gasman]

Tell me about it. I was on pins and needles while mine was attending University of Illinois. I couldn't help but tear up and have flashbacks as she walked across that stage at graduation.
My first son? He was expected to succeed and excell. It was no surprise watching him do well.

It's a great feeling when you see your children succeed. At that moment it is instant gratification that you have done your job as a parent. It's a great feeling. Congratulations on your children's success.

[E-Vol-ution]

Thanks much...truth is, it never seems to end. They are always our babies.....lolIt's a great feeling when you see your children succeed. At that moment it is instant gratification that you have done your job as a parent. It's a great feeling. Congratulations on your children's success.

[gasman]

Thanks much...truth is, it never seems to end. They are always our babies.....lol


You're so right. There were a few times I was ready to pull my hair out when they were little but it was worth it.

[CCCSportsFan]

Baylor has that effext on people.:D

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

[CCCSportsFan]

Hey, I know how you feel. My wife and I were blessed with three boys first and then a daughter. Daddy's little girls usually get what they want. They are so different in a unique way.

I don't know your other 3, but you and your wife have done a great job with the "beast"!

And yes, there is definitely the "Daddy's Girl" thing going on in my household :)

[SLC]

Happy New Year to all the Dragon players, coaches, family and fans.


It's a new year with new aspirations for old success. It's going to be a great year Carroll fans.. a great year indeed.:)

[gasman]

I don't know your other 3, but you and your wife have done a great job with the "beast"!

And yes, there is definitely the "Daddy's Girl" thing going on in my household :)

Thanks and you and your wife have done very well with your son as well. I am going to have to really get into the dance thing in a couple of years. God , I'm going to need all the help I can get. My daughter has definetly tamed all the beasts in my house. Happy New Year.

[4rings]

I'd have to say that the evidence supports Dodge as being, quite possibly, the greatest mentor of quartbacks in 5A history. I'd tend to believe he'd have gotten more out of Padron, possibly in a fantastic way.

TD played QB in college and is a natural in working with QBs. HW was a punter in college. Our QB's don't have quite the advantage over the competition as they did previously. I have to believe KP would have benefitted from a couple of years worth a work with TD. KP will benefit from 4-5 years of June Jones, probably a fair trade-off for KP.

[4rings]

Why not, let's dust off the crystal ball to see what the Dragons have in store in 2009...

* After a long and thorough search for a new AD, Southlake announces the hiring of former Mojo legend, Gary Gaines, who seeks a place to share his experiences in a lower profile community. Gaines later resigns, citing his own lack of good judgement...

* Rumors of a return of Coach Dodge to the program are quickly stymied when North Texas wins it' first two games, creating delirium in Denton

* After MU QB Chase Daniel is passed over in the NFL draft, the entrepreneurial Daniel moves back to Southlake to open up " Quarterback Warehouse", catering to kids who want to get the most out of their minds and frames.

* Hal's Angels open up Jerry's world, by thrashing the Plano West Wolves 37-13, once again reminding the faithful why it's always a great day to be a Dragon!

* After Cowboy Kicker Folk misses a late FG in the following week, owner Jones pulls a David Clyde like move, signing 4 year kicker Cade Foster to a contract. Foster insists on a clause allowing him to join the defense in nickel situaitions.

* Following an avengence win against Coppell at Dragon Stadium, the Dragon Council invites Dave Campo to the Feed Store for some BBQ, causing the Coach to admit he really likes Southlake.

* This time, the green practice on Thanksgiving.

Happy New Year- buckle in, 2009 is going to be a great year!!

I hope you are right. There are plenty of questions regarding 2009. Who's the leader? Big question/split camp. When you have 2 QBs, you don't have a QB.

Who will the receivers be? Is there a deep threat? Can the defense stop the run? Can the coordinators adjust and play to their team's talent?

[4rings]

I can't believe we have gone through 1/2 the school year and still have an interim AD.

[CCHS77]

I can't believe we have gone through 1/2 the school year and still have an interim AD.

Coach Tipps' resignation wasn't effective until November 24.

[4rings]

Coach Tipps' resignation wasn't effective until November 24.Effective date or not, the search committee should have been working since August when he stepped down, so they could name someone in Jan at the latest.

[CCHS77]

Effective date or not, the search committee should have been working since August when he stepped down, so they could name someone in Jan at the latest.

Who's on the "search committee"?

[SLC93]

Congratulations! Coach Willingham (since he will still be at CISD) will send Brayden directions to 2 a days in the Summer 2023.

I trust that you survived the delivery. I was there for both of mine. The first was a scheduled delivery. I suggested that it was like getting a tee time. ehhh, that didn't go over too well. ;)

Seriously, it is great to hear from an "Old Dragon".

I was there and all I can say is,"Wow!". There just anything that prepares you, fully, for another person coming out of a person. I hope Brayden is lucky enough to have Willigham touch his life, too.

[SLC93]

I feel so inadequate now. :rolleyes: Congratulations on the award and the new tax deduction.

To be fair, hall of Fame doesn't do you or your contributions justice. Thanks for the words and being around, Doc.:notworthy

[SLC93]

Tell me about it. I was on pins and needles while mine was attending University of Illinois. I couldn't help but tear up and have flashbacks as she walked across that stage at graduation.
My first son? He was expected to succeed and excell. It was no surprise watching him do well.

I cried for you when you said she was at Illinois. Poor girl.:D

[SLC93]

I hope you are right. There are plenty of questions regarding 2009. Who's the leader? Big question/split camp. When you have 2 QBs, you don't have a QB.

Who will the receivers be? Is there a deep threat? Can the defense stop the run? Can the coordinators adjust and play to their team's talent?

I have no basis for this but I think Williamson will be 100% recovered from his knee issue and will take the starters position. I think Piland will change positions, moving to receiver. It's important to remember that when spring ball started last year KW was mere months removed from surgery. Also remember that he was being thought of as the most physically gifted qb we ever had as he came up through the system. I think we have our qb. I also like the idea of an entire unit returning. The defense will be off the charts this season, mark it down. With regards to the coaches, I think many of them know that they're coaching for their jobs this season. A third season of regression will not be tolerated for this program, regardless of circumstance. There is just too much talent.

[SLC93]

I can't believe we have gone through 1/2 the school year and still have an interim AD.

Wouldn't mind for Willingham to have the interim removed. We need more like him. He's done it all for this district and therefore can be as demanding as he needs to be with any of his subordinated. He can literally say that he wouldn't ask anything of them that he would do himself. Plus he's a link to our long ago past. No person currently in the district is as well versed in our history as Chauncy Willingham. We need that in order for all the new Dragons to know what it means to be a Dragon, parents included.

[slcdragonfan]

I have no basis for this but I think Williamson will be 100% recovered from his knee issue and will take the starters position. I think Piland will change positions, moving to receiver. It's important to remember that when spring ball started last year KW was mere months removed from surgery. Also remember that he was being thought of as the most physically gifted qb we ever had as he came up through the system. I think we have our qb. I also like the idea of an entire unit returning. The defense will be off the charts this season, mark it down. With regards to the coaches, I think many of them know that they're coaching for their jobs this season. A third season of regression will not be tolerated for this program, regardless of circumstance. There is just too much talent.

You know, I have been thinking the same thing. The only basis I have for it is his brief performance as a sub in one game, and just looking at his size. I saw him in some scrimmages and just got a gut feel that his passing would open things up a bit. Piland is too good to not have on the field however. I think we need to look at Katy and how they moved players around and make similar adjustments.

[4rings]

You know, I have been thinking the same thing. The only basis I have for it is his brief performance as a sub in one game, and just looking at his size. I saw him in some scrimmages and just got a gut feel that his passing would open things up a bit. Piland is too good to not have on the field however. I think we need to look at Katy and how they moved players around and make similar adjustments.

You said that magic word....ADJUSTMENTS! This staff will have to prove they are capable of making them. The past 2 years they haven't.

[SLC93]

You know, I have been thinking the same thing. The only basis I have for it is his brief performance as a sub in one game, and just looking at his size. I saw him in some scrimmages and just got a gut feel that his passing would open things up a bit. Piland is too good to not have on the field however. I think we need to look at Katy and how they moved players around and make similar adjustments.

Also remeber that TD completely embraced the philosophy of getting your best players on the field, period. It's the right thing to do, especially at this level. Piland proved he can do special things with the ball in his hands. Put him in the slot an let him go.

[SLC93]

You said that magic word....ADJUSTMENTS! This staff will have to prove they are capable of making them. The past 2 years they haven't.

I miss the creativity, too.

[SLC]

Wouldn't mind for Willingham to have the interim removed. We need more like him. He's done it all for this district and therefore can be as demanding as he needs to be with any of his subordinated. He can literally say that he wouldn't ask anything of them that he would do himself. Plus he's a link to our long ago past. No person currently in the district is as well versed in our history as Chauncy Willingham. We need that in order for all the new Dragons to know what it means to be a Dragon, parents included.


I will say that of anyone that could be offered up as worthy for the position, I will take CW in a heartbeat, for all the reasons you stated.. especially the one I highlighted.

[SLC93]

I will say that of anyone that could be offered up as worthy for the position, I will take CW in a heartbeat, for all the reasons you stated.. especially the one I highlighted.

I'm biased because I rank him as one of the most influential people to ever be in my life. I make no apologies, though, because he is uber qualified and can lead us into the next era. Of that I have no doubt.

[dragonpants]

Wouldn't mind for Willingham to have the interim removed. We need more like him. He's done it all for this district and therefore can be as demanding as he needs to be with any of his subordinated. He can literally say that he wouldn't ask anything of them that he would do himself. Plus he's a link to our long ago past. No person currently in the district is as well versed in our history as Chauncy Willingham. We need that in order for all the new Dragons to know what it means to be a Dragon, parents included.

From what I hear, he does not want the position.

[SLC93]

From what I hear, he does not want the position.

That makes sense, knowing him, but he'd be a fine choice.

[dragonpants]

You know, I have been thinking the same thing. The only basis I have for it is his brief performance as a sub in one game, and just looking at his size. I saw him in some scrimmages and just got a gut feel that his passing would open things up a bit. Piland is too good to not have on the field however. I think we need to look at Katy and how they moved players around and make similar adjustments.

Again rumors only but I hear he is a little "delicate" even dating back to pee wee days. Not my opinion just going by what I have heard.

[SLC]

Also remeber that TD completely embraced the philosophy of getting your best players on the field, period. It's the right thing to do, especially at this level. Piland proved he can do special things with the ball in his hands. Put him in the slot an let him go.


I'm all for experimenting and would love KW to win the spot, but I have concerns about DP playing another position full time, while we have a QB playing that has had a bad injury prior and could face it again.. I would hate to see DP get hurt playing in the open field and then be left with just KW as the only tested QB on the roster... Just a thought.

Maybe DP could play sparingly at reciever, not a full slate.

[dragonpants]

I'm all for experimenting and would love KW to win the spot, but I have concerns about DP playing another position full time, while we have a QB playing that has had a bad injury prior and could face it again.. I would hate to see DP get hurt playing in the open field and then be left with just KW as the only tested QB on the roster... Just a thought.

Maybe DP could play sparingly at reciever, not a full slate.

I think coming out of spring if either of these two fine QB's is not a starter at some position one of them will be transferring to a private school. I cannot see Piland and all that talent comfortable with a back up role and used sparingly as a WR.

[SLC]

I think coming out of spring if either of these two fine QB's is not a starter at some position one of them will be transferring to a private school. I cannot see Piland and all that talent comfortable with a back up role and used sparingly as a WR.

Well, in my mind I for sure cant see KW as a reciever and I doubt he wants to be a back up either.. So we will likely have a small quandry if either situ occurs.. I guess we should just stay tuned.

[dragonpants]

Well, in my mind I for sure cant see KW as a reciever and I doubt he wants to be a back up either.. So we will likely have a small quandry if either situ occurs.. I guess we should just stay tuned.

I agree, KW as a WR or any other position, is not what any of us wants.
So who is next in line assuming we lose one or if the injury bug bites us again?

[SLC]

I agree, KW as a WR or any other position, is not what any of us wants.
So who is next in line assuming we lose one or if the injury bug bites us again?

Maybe someone can help us with his name, but I've watched him play some and the young man is very talented. I think there are videos of him on Youtube.

[slcdragonfan]

Also remeber that TD completely embraced the philosophy of getting your best players on the field, period. It's the right thing to do, especially at this level. Piland proved he can do special things with the ball in his hands. Put him in the slot an let him go.

Anyone know how good he is as a receiver? Also, is he willing to move? And is KW willing to move? There has been talk of one QB leaving for a private program if the other gets the position. I would hope they stick around....

[SLCFan]

Maybe someone can help us with his name, but I've watched him play some and the young man is very talented. I think there are videos of him on Youtube.

Roman Nadmar or Namdar perhaps? Not sure on the spelling...

[SLC93]

I'm all for experimenting and would love KW to win the spot, but I have concerns about DP playing another position full time, while we have a QB playing that has had a bad injury prior and could face it again.. I would hate to see DP get hurt playing in the open field and then be left with just KW as the only tested QB on the roster... Just a thought.

Maybe DP could play sparingly at reciever, not a full slate.

An d those concerns are completely legitimate, however, we cannot allow fear of injury to dictate our ability to get the best players on the field. There are other young qb's in the system, in the event that both KW & DP went down. Would it be asking alot of them to step of? Of course it would be. You have to weigh the likelyhood of that scenario playing out against the potential impact putting both of these players of the field could yield. I'd roll the dice, personally.

[SLC]

Roman Nadmar or Namdar perhaps? Not sure on the spelling...


I think thats close.. Very talented kid.. He has one heck of an arm and can run well also.

[SLCFan]

I think thats close.. Very talented kid.. He has one heck of an arm and can run well also.

That's what I've been led to believe as well... gonna be a Jr. this upcoming season I think???

[SLC]

An d those concerns are completely legitimate, however, we cannot allow fear of injury to dictate our ability to get the best players on the field. There are other young qb's in the system, in the event that both KW & DP went down. Would it be asking alot of them to step of? Of course it would be. You have to weigh the likelyhood of that scenario playing out against the potential impact putting both of these players of the field could yield. I'd roll the dice, personally.


I'm with you... except.. that roll of the dice hasn't come up 7's in the last 2 seasons...

Just saying...

[15Adragon]

I have no basis for this but I think Williamson will be 100% recovered from his knee issue and will take the starters position. I think Piland will change positions, moving to receiver. It's important to remember that when spring ball started last year KW was mere months removed from surgery. Also remember that he was being thought of as the most physically gifted qb we ever had as he came up through the system. I think we have our qb. I also like the idea of an entire unit returning. The defense will be off the charts this season, mark it down. With regards to the coaches, I think many of them know that they're coaching for their jobs this season. A third season of regression will not be tolerated for this program, regardless of circumstance. There is just too much talent.

Yes. What makes this interesting is they face some HUGE off-season decisions that will impact the chemistry and look that this team takes on. These are all "game changer" decisions. QB, pass or run first, approach to defense for down-hill rushing attacks, interior line play, 3-4 vs 4-3, how aggressive do they get with changing the system to fit the players vs sticking with the system... Wow, I have no idea what would work best on some of these decisions. Some are very inter-dependent (x in terms of y), you change something and it impacts the rest of your decisions... They will have their hands full and on top of that the expectations will be very high considering all of the returning starters. '09 promises to be an exciting season with some big games scheduled at the Library.

[SLC93]

I'm with you... except.. that roll of the dice hasn't come up 7's in the last 2 seasons...

Just saying...

call me supersticious but I think the reason the dice haven't been coming up as much is because we just don't seem to roll them anymore. The Karma gods are punishing us for our lack of creativity the last few seasons.

[SLC]

call me supersticious but I think the reason the dice haven't been coming up as much is because we just don't seem to roll them anymore. The Karma gods are punishing us for our lack of creativity the last few seasons.


Well, in the dice being 7's, I was refering to not being lucky with ours QB's staying healthy. But the creativity thing has seemed to be an issue as well.. Man I ahve changed my tune on Hal and the staff, but I really, honestly think they will make all the good decisions next season. I'm figuring they are as embarrased as any of us and will be looking to make improvements in their game as well....Fingers crossed of course..:D

[SLC93]

I have no basis for this but I think Williamson will be 100% recovered from his knee issue and will take the starters position. I think Piland will change positions, moving to receiver. It's important to remember that when spring ball started last year KW was mere months removed from surgery. Also remember that he was being thought of as the most physically gifted qb we ever had as he came up through the system. I think we have our qb. I also like the idea of an entire unit returning. The defense will be off the charts this season, mark it down. With regards to the coaches, I think many of them know that they're coaching for their jobs this season. A third season of regression will not be tolerated for this program, regardless of circumstance. There is just too much talent.

Yes. What makes this interesting is they face some HUGE off-season decisions that will impact the chemistry and look that this team takes on. These are all "game changer" decisions. QB, pass or run first, approach to defense for down-hill rushing attacks, interior line play, 3-4 vs 4-3, how aggressive do they get with changing the system to fit the players vs sticking with the system... Wow, I have no idea what would work best on some of these decisions. Some are very inter-dependent (x in terms of y), you change something and it impacts the rest of your decisions... They will have their hands full and on top of that the expectations will be very high considering all of the returning starters. '09 promises to be an exciting season with some big games scheduled at the Library.


To touch on this 3-4 debate for a moment allow me to say that I will be quite upset if we decide to use the 3-4 but not for the reason you may think. If we're going to run some 3-4 now, we should have been allowed to make that call after Hal's hire. We had one of the best dcoordinators in the area sewn up, along with his son, an impressive safety. His specialty? The 3-4 defense, now that you mention it. I have no particular preference, we ran the 5-2 hybrid, I'm merely reminding everyone of the superior coach we do not have and why.

[CCCSportsFan]

That's what I've been led to believe as well... gonna be a Jr. this upcoming season I think???

You guys have his name correct and yes, Roman will be a junior next season. The QB from last years freshman team got pulled up for playoffs as well, Drew Amuhty. Drew is very talented and I definitely see a battle between he and Roman the following season.

[CCCSportsFan]

I think thats close.. Very talented kid.. He has one heck of an arm and can run well also.

Roman has a very good arm that is only going to improve over the spring season. As I mentioned a few months back, he had a pretty significant growth spurt over the summer and it's hard to add much strength while your body is growing that fast. Give him a solid off-season in the weight room and he should be very competitive.

Roman's back up was Matt Katz. Matt has the tools and it will be interesting to see if he wants to work hard enough to take the job back from Roman, since Roman backed him up on the freshman team.

[CCCSportsFan]

Anyone know how good he is as a receiver? Also, is he willing to move? And is KW willing to move? There has been talk of one QB leaving for a private program if the other gets the position. I would hope they stick around....

Can't speak for DP, but it is highly unlikely KW moves to a private school...

[TexasSportsFan]

I hope you are right. There are plenty of questions regarding 2009. Who's the leader? Big question/split camp. When you have 2 QBs, you don't have a QB.

Who will the receivers be? Is there a deep threat? Can the defense stop the run? Can the coordinators adjust and play to their team's talent?

I don't know who the receivers are in the current sophomore & junior class, but the freshman class has some great receivers. I'm not saying they are better than the kids ahead of them, I just happen to know the freshmen. There were four who were moved up for the playoffs--all with great hands and great speed. Ben Sego, Peyton Williams, Corey Kemp & David Stroope. Whichever team they end up playing on next year, you will see them making lots of spectacular catches and lots of yards after the catch. And the freshman class is deep at receiver--lots of other good ones who didn't move up for the playoffs. And I'm sure there's plenty of good ones in the sophomore & junior classes as well.

[SLC]

I don't know who the receivers are in the current sophomore & junior class, but the freshman class has some great receivers. I'm not saying they are better than the kids ahead of them, I just happen to know the freshmen. There were four who were moved up for the playoffs--all with great hands and great speed. Ben Sego, Peyton Williams, Corey Kemp & David Stroope. Whichever team they end up playing on next year, you will see them making lots of spectacular catches and lots of yards after the catch. And the freshman class is deep at receiver--lots of other good ones who didn't move up for the playoffs. And I'm sure there's plenty of good ones in the sophomore & junior classes as well.


Good stuff brother.. Thanks for the info.

[4rings]

I don't know who the receivers are in the current sophomore & junior class, but the freshman class has some great receivers. I'm not saying they are better than the kids ahead of them, I just happen to know the freshmen. There were four who were moved up for the playoffs--all with great hands and great speed. Ben Sego, Peyton Williams, Corey Kemp & David Stroope. Whichever team they end up playing on next year, you will see them making lots of spectacular catches and lots of yards after the catch. And the freshman class is deep at receiver--lots of other good ones who didn't move up for the playoffs. And I'm sure there's plenty of good ones in the sophomore & junior classes as well.

thanks for the update.

[4rings]

I miss the creativity, too.

yes, kind of remember shuttle passes that we haven't seen in 2 years. Imagination, creativity, and the lack of adjustments have worked against SLC the past 2 years. I sometimes wonder if HW thinks that if he runs the same plays as TD the results will be the same. My advice, "be your on man. Coach the way you want things to be."

[crunked9]

yes, kind of remember shuttle passes that we haven't seen in 2 years. Imagination, creativity, and the lack of adjustments have worked against SLC the past 2 years. I sometimes wonder if HW thinks that if he runs the same plays as TD the results will be the same. My advice, "be your on man. Coach the way you want things to be."

I agree, just be yourself.

[SLC93]

yes, kind of remember shuttle passes that we haven't seen in 2 years. Imagination, creativity, and the lack of adjustments have worked against SLC the past 2 years. I sometimes wonder if HW thinks that if he runs the same plays as TD the results will be the same. My advice, "be your on man. Coach the way you want things to be."

I agree but let's all remind ourselves of two things when we make this agruement.

1) One of the reasons our search committee selected Wasson was because he did not intend to change anything. We recruited status quo, essentially. To take it a step further, many coaches stayed away because of this very fact.

2) That said, how many of you were screaming about what was going on with the offense this season as Wasson seemed to be transitioning to a ground oriented, ball control version of the spread. With a healthy Padron most of the numbers were similar to what they had always been but so many were less than satisfied because they were attained in a different fashion.

So now ask yourself how anyone can state that Wasson should be his own man given the above facts. We dictated not only the offense but the style to the man and told him what defense he could run and we're upset he's not his own man?

[15Adragon]

I agree but let's all remind ourselves of two things when we make this agruement.

1) One of the reasons our search committee selected Wasson was because he did not intend to change anything. We recruited status quo, essentially. To take it a step further, many coaches stayed away because of this very fact.

2) That said, how many of you were screaming about what was going on with the offense this season as Wasson seemed to be transitioning to to ground oriented, ball control version of the spread. With a healthy Padron most of the numbers were similar to what they had always been but some many were less than satisfied because they were attained in a different fashion.

So now ask yourself how anyone can state that Wasson should be his own man given the above facts. We dictated not only the offense but the style to the man and told him what defense he could run and we're upset he's not his own man?

I agree. A lot of "factors" in play here. I agreed at the time with the thought of getting an "inside man" for the job, but as we have seen it really makes the job tough. In addition, as some have documented TD took most of the key staff with him or they left. Tough to carry on business as usual when most of the folks that know what that means are gone.

[TigerHat]

Injuries, particularly QB injuries, suck. The MNW game is a lot closer if Riley and Tre don't get hurt, You guys don't lose your QB two years in a row and the playoff picture in 5A looks very different than it did.

Do you suppose it is possible that key injuries might sometimes affect your opponents?

Its been 3 years, so I think I can talk about it. How many of you knew that Andy Dalton - Katy's QB in the 05 game, played the game with a broken finger? Katy that year was very different from most Katy teams; it was the first time that we had ever had an A++ Quarter Back and the offense was much more heavily pass oriented than it had ever been. Katy's offensive style that year much more closely resembled a pro offense than a typical Katy offense. For those who doubt that Dalton was an A++ QB, look at what he has done since: he started as a freshman at a top 20 D-1 school (TCU) - he took them to two bowl wins, and he personally has taken home two MVP awards from those bowl games. I believe that qualifies as an A++ high school QB.

Sadly with the broken finger he went from A++ to a solid B level QB - which is what everyone saw in the state game. Andy doesn't get hurt, and you see a very different and much better Katy offense that year. That would have made the 05 game much closer than it was.

[4rings]

Injuries, particularly QB injuries, suck. The MNW game is a lot closer if Riley and Tre don't get hurt, You guys don't lose your QB two years in a row and the playoff picture in 5A looks very different than it did.

Do you suppose it is possible that key injuries might sometimes affect your opponents?

Its been 3 years, so I think I can talk about it. How many of you knew that Andy Dalton - Katy's QB in the 05 game, played the game with a broken finger? Katy that year was very different from most Katy teams; it was the first time that we had ever had an A++ Quarter Back and the offense was much more heavily pass oriented than it had ever been. Katy's offensive style that year much more closely resembled a pro offense than a typical Katy offense. For those who doubt that Dalton was an A++ QB, look at what he has done since: he started as a freshman at a top 20 D-1 school (TCU) - he took them to two bowl wins, and he personally has taken home two MVP awards from those bowl games. I believe that qualifies as an A++ high school QB.

Sadly with the broken finger he went from A++ to a solid B level QB - which is what everyone saw in the state game. Andy doesn't get hurt, and you see a very different and much better Katy offense that year. That would have made the 05 game much closer than it was.

i heard it was his non-throwing hand??? if it was his throwing hand i could understand...also, he wasn't facing Taylor's defense...he faced what was arguably the best high school defense in the state that year...not doubting what Dalton could accomplish if healthy...you'll recall that Katy's last td came with little time on the clock and was virtually a "garbage time" td. SLC's 05 team was invincible. Great offense and great defense! Andy has proven to be a good college QB. He does what Patterson wants of a QB.

[E-Vol-ution]

I hope you guys aren't turning into a collective "Jerry Jones" and let that guy coach before you claim he can't. That mandate is somewhat disturbing..........
I agree. A lot of "factors" in play here. I agreed at the time with the thought of getting an "inside man" for the job, but as we have seen it really makes the job tough. In addition, as some have documented TD took most of the key staff with him or they left. Tough to carry on business as usual when most of the folks that know what that means are gone.

[SLC93]

Injuries, particularly QB injuries, suck. The MNW game is a lot closer if Riley and Tre don't get hurt, You guys don't lose your QB two years in a row and the playoff picture in 5A looks very different than it did.

Do you suppose it is possible that key injuries might sometimes affect your opponents?

Its been 3 years, so I think I can talk about it. How many of you knew that Andy Dalton - Katy's QB in the 05 game, played the game with a broken finger? Katy that year was very different from most Katy teams; it was the first time that we had ever had an A++ Quarter Back and the offense was much more heavily pass oriented than it had ever been. Katy's offensive style that year much more closely resembled a pro offense than a typical Katy offense. For those who doubt that Dalton was an A++ QB, look at what he has done since: he started as a freshman at a top 20 D-1 school (TCU) - he took them to two bowl wins, and he personally has taken home two MVP awards from those bowl games. I believe that qualifies as an A++ high school QB.

Sadly with the broken finger he went from A++ to a solid B level QB - which is what everyone saw in the state game. Andy doesn't get hurt, and you see a very different and much better Katy offense that year. That would have made the 05 game much closer than it was.


Dalton's a stud. Wasson has had injuries like Dodge only nightmared about. Losing senior qb's is a death nail for most every program. There are only a couple of underclassmen qb's to win the 5A crown since the split.

[TigerHat]

i heard it was his non-throwing hand??? if it was his throwing hand i could understand...also, he wasn't facing Taylor's defense...he faced what was arguably the best high school defense in the state that year...not doubting what Dalton could accomplish if healthy...you'll recall that Katy's last td came with little time on the clock and was virtually a "garbage time" td. SLC's 05 team was invincible. Great offense and great defense! Andy has proven to be a good college QB. He does what Patterson wants of a QB.

This is the SLC Fans thread - I have no desire to try hijacking it - zero. I will talk about breaking a finger on the non throwing hand. As a skilled martial artist (6th degree black belt in both Aikido and Judo) I am aware of how much a broken bone anywhere in the body affects everything that a person can do. You can't even blink your eyes without readjusting every muscle in your body - most people simply aren't aware of it. Your subconscious mind does those adjustments without you knowing it. When you have a broken bone those muscle adjustments don't occur correctly. What the break did to Andy was make his accuracy disappear. It was obvious watching him throw before and after the break.

The NFL Scout site has Andy ranked as #14 out of 123 college QB's - which is pretty good for a sophomore. If he doesn't get hurt - he'll be a top 10 - maybe a top 5 QB draft pick by the the time he graduates.

[4rings]

This is the SLC Fans thread - I have no desire to try hijacking it - zero. I will talk about breaking a finger on the non throwing hand. As a skilled martial artist (6th degree black belt in both Aikido and Judo) I am aware of how much a broken bone anywhere in the body affects everything that a person can do. You can't even blink your eyes without readjusting every muscle in your body - most people simply aren't aware of it. Your subconscious mind does those adjustments without you knowing it. When you have a broken bone those muscle adjustments don't occur correctly. What the break did to Andy was make his accuracy disappear. It was obvious watching him throw before and after the break.

The NFL Scout site has Andy ranked as #14 out of 123 college QB's - which is pretty good for a sophomore. If he doesn't get hurt - he'll be a top 10 - maybe a top 5 QB draft pick by the the time he graduates.

The ranking of Dalton is impressive...I thought it was his non-throwing hand. If you say that a broken finger can cause accuracy to disappear, then Graham Harrell from Texas Tech is 1 tough hombre. He had surgery (on his non-throwing hand) 4 weeks ago, had 17 pins and 2 plates put in and didn't play with anything except for taping 2 fingers together. All he did was throw for 300+ yards. Dalton is a good QB, however, a broken finger isn't a big deal. A little shot and your good to go.

Speaking of players who played with an injury in the 05 title game, SLC's Justin Padron, middle linebacker, played with his left elbow torn up from the previous semi final against Lufkin. He dislocated his elbow, was pronounced to be out of the final game. Padron went to a several specialists during the week, missed several practices, had a brace made for his left arm, played the entire game, had 3 tipped passes that could have been completions for Dalton, and had the sack on Dalton in the 4th quarter that put the game away. Granted, he wasn't throwing, but he used his left arm to tackle (15 tackles), tip away passes, and to hoist the state championship trophy.

I think the broken finger thing is a mute point compared to Padron's dislocated elbow. Todd Dodge's words after the game, "Justin Padron is a warrior." Andy Dalton is good, I don't want to take anything away from him, however, the 05 championship was decided by the play on the field, not an injury.

[SLC]

This is the SLC Fans thread - I have no desire to try hijacking it - zero. I will talk about breaking a finger on the non throwing hand. As a skilled martial artist (6th degree black belt in both Aikido and Judo) I am aware of how much a broken bone anywhere in the body affects everything that a person can do. You can't even blink your eyes without readjusting every muscle in your body - most people simply aren't aware of it. Your subconscious mind does those adjustments without you knowing it. When you have a broken bone those muscle adjustments don't occur correctly. What the break did to Andy was make his accuracy disappear. It was obvious watching him throw before and after the break.

The NFL Scout site has Andy ranked as #14 out of 123 college QB's - which is pretty good for a sophomore. If he doesn't get hurt - he'll be a top 10 - maybe a top 5 QB draft pick by the the time he graduates.

First, I think Andy Dalton is a very very good QB and I have been impressed with him and have enjoyed watching him play right here in our backyard. He has a very promising career beyond college football. I was aware that he had a broke finger on his left hand going in to that game, and he is comended for playing with it. He did everything he had to do to help his team win and it cant be easy playing against the best team in the state in the biggest game of the year with a broke finger. Having said that, it would have affected him throwing wise if it was his throwing hand... I wont take anything from him, but he was throwing pretty well in that game and didn't appear to be affected by it. That was what myself and the 2 friends who were with me were looking for, in warmups and during the game... Again, to me his throws didn't appear to be affected by it.

As far as Riley in the MNW game, he went out for 5 plays and came back in and played well after getting his bell rung. Carroll didnt lose that game because Riley left for a few plays... Carroll lost that game because they turned the ball over 4 times.. Plain and simple.. And you cant do that against a top quality team like they had and win.

As far as the Riley injury later that season against Abilene, he didn't return.. And the same thing with Kyle after 5 1/2 games.. he didnt return.. So we have dealt with the lessor QB dings.. to the season ending QB injuries.

[gasman]

I agree that HW needs to be his own man and write his own histry as HC for SLC. One decision HW made that I like is that the QB's and RB's that are juniors and sophs and that are upcoming prospects rotate every other week to varsity and JV green. Letting them play keeps their experience intact. We have a load of talent coming up the ranks. Long live the SLC Dragons.

[SLC93]

This thread must be bumped. No Dragon dedicated forum can be so close to going to page two, period.:D

[SLC93]

I agree that HW needs to be his own man and write his own histry as HC for SLC. One decision HW made that I like is that the QB's and RB's that are juniors and sophs and that are upcoming prospects rotate every other week to varsity and JV green. Letting them play keeps their experience intact. We have a load of talent coming up the ranks. Long live the SLC Dragons.

It's a good system that captures the best of both worlds for the underclassmen. It's a win/win for the program and the player and fairly innovative, imo.

[SLC]

This thread must be bumped. No Dragon dedicated forum can be so close to going to page two, period.:D

I was just reading it whan I felt a sudden..bump..:D

And you are correct.. We are not "middle of the pack":D

[dragonpants]

Coach Mendoza was fired at Cedar Hill and will now be coaching at Ducanville. That coaching staff is loaded, I wonder if we tried to get him back or if he even called to let anyone know he was unemployed.
Duncanville is going to be very good very soon.

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Coach Mendoza was fired at Cedar Hill and will now be coaching at Ducanville.

Wow. Anyone have the details on this?

[SLC]

Wow. Anyone have the details on this?

Hmmm.. I didnt know that. Your right... WOW.. I cant think of a reason why he would have been fired. Hid defense was playing very well.

[dragons08]

Coach Mendoza was fired at Cedar Hill and will now be coaching at Ducanville. That coaching staff is loaded, I wonder if we tried to get him back or if he even called to let anyone know he was unemployed.
Duncanville is going to be very good very soon.

Wow, it would of been nice to start to bring the pieces back together...

[CCCSportsFan]

Coach Mendoza was fired at Cedar Hill and will now be coaching at Ducanville. That coaching staff is loaded, I wonder if we tried to get him back or if he even called to let anyone know he was unemployed.
Duncanville is going to be very good very soon.

That's interesting... I also wonder if he even made a call out our way to inquire about a position.

Would HW view him as an asset or liability on his staff from an internal chemistry perspective??? Coach Mendoza is very fiery and a perfectionist. I could see their styles clashing... TD was such a strong personality that he could keep guys like fiery guys Mendoza in check so to speak.

[SLC93]

Coach Mendoza was fired at Cedar Hill and will now be coaching at Ducanville. That coaching staff is loaded, I wonder if we tried to get him back or if he even called to let anyone know he was unemployed.
Duncanville is going to be very good very soon.

Had no idea he was even in jeapordy of losing his job at CHill.

[4rings]

That's interesting... I also wonder if he even made a call out our way to inquire about a position.

Would HW view him as an asset or liability on his staff from an internal chemistry perspective??? Coach Mendoza is very fiery and a perfectionist. I could see their styles clashing... TD was such a strong personality that he could keep guys like fiery guys Mendoza in check so to speak.


I understand that Mendoza did contact SLC. However, in usual fashion, HW failed to get the job done. He preferred to retain his staff instead.
What a huge mistake.

[SLC93]

That's interesting... I also wonder if he even made a call out our way to inquire about a position.

Would HW view him as an asset or liability on his staff from an internal chemistry perspective??? Coach Mendoza is very fiery and a perfectionist. I could see their styles clashing... TD was such a strong personality that he could keep guys like fiery guys Mendoza in check so to speak.

Qualities that have been around less the last few seasons. Your point about the strong personality of the hc is spot on, though. Not sure a Wasson/Mendoza marriage would last much longer than the Elvis special vegas offers. :D

[4rings]

Qualities that have been around less the last few seasons. Your point about the strong personality of the hc is spot on, though. Not sure a Wasson/Mendoza marriage would last much longer than the Elvis special vegas offers. :D


However, we might be able to stop the run if Mendoza was the DC.

[CCCSportsFan]

Qualities that have been around less the last few seasons. Your point about the strong personality of the hc is spot on, though. Not sure a Wasson/Mendoza marriage would last much longer than the Elvis special vegas offers. :D

:notworthy :D :notworthy
Thanks for the chuckle SLC93!!

[CCCSportsFan]

Qualities that have been around less the last few seasons. Your point about the strong personality of the hc is spot on, though. Not sure a Wasson/Mendoza marriage would last much longer than the Elvis special vegas offers. :D

Now the serious reply after the Elvis laugh :)

I do not see this working long term either... Been there and lived it in my professional career with past managers. TD is the type of manager that purposely brings people onto his team that are a contrast to his thinking to challenge him and his thought process. This dynamic is one of the elements that makes companies or teams grow and improve.

[CCCSportsFan]

I understand that Mendoza did contact SLC. However, in usual fashion, HW failed to get the job done. He preferred to retain his staff instead.
What a huge mistake.

Obviously we don't know all the details Rings, could be contractual issues that very few are privvy to around the current staff that prevented HW or CW from even being able to give it a serious thought... I know this isn't the NFL but teacher contracts are still contracts.

Either way, it's too bad though... Coach Mendoza's presence would be known and felt within 5 minutes of his hiring :)

[gasman]

Obviously we don't know all the details Rings, could be contractual issues that very few are privvy to around the current staff that prevented HW or CW from even being able to give it a serious thought... I know this isn't the NFL but teacher contracts are still contracts.

Either way, it's too bad though... Coach Mendoza's presence would be known and felt within 5 minutes of his hiring :)


I ran into Coach Mendoza's son at the Wiley/CH playoff game and he said that his dad would love to come back to SL. That's to bad. Duncanville's gain and our obvious loss.

[SLC93]

Now the serious reply after the Elvis laugh :)

I do not see this working long term either... Been there and lived it in my professional career with past managers. TD is the type of manager that purposely brings people onto his team that are a contrast to his thinking to challenge him and his thought process. This dynamic is one of the elements that makes companies or teams grow and improve.

Also one of the most unsung reasons for our success under him. The best leaders always surround themselves with the best people, period.

[SLC93]

I ran into Coach Mendoza's son at the Wiley/CH playoff game and he said that his dad would love to come back to SL. That's to bad. Duncanville's gain and our obvious loss.

Tough to hear this kind of thing. With the kids we have on defense right now, Mendoza would have a field day.

[SLC93]

I understand that Mendoza did contact SLC. However, in usual fashion, HW failed to get the job done. He preferred to retain his staff instead.
What a huge mistake.

If it was merely a preference call by Wasson, that is truly awful.

[dragons08]

If it was merely a preference call by Wasson, that is truly awful.

Personally, I'd prefer to under achieve too. :rolleyes:

[SLC]

I ran into Coach Mendoza's son at the Wiley/CH playoff game and he said that his dad would love to come back to SL. That's to bad. Duncanville's gain and our obvious loss.


Man, I hate to hear that.. It's understandable if he was considered at Carroll and either he or the current staff felt it would't work, but from what you are saying it certainly sounds like half of the equation was willing to at the very least consider coming to Carroll.. Well, Duncanville, like Chill, will egt an outstanding coach and a far better man to add to their staff.

[slcdragonfan]

D'ville has quite a bit going for it; with the HC from Lake Travis making his 'system' and Mendoza? I talked with a lady from D'ville regarding their program; there are MAJOR changes afoot, TEAMme, grades, work ethic, the whole bit. Couple that with athletes and whatcha' got?

Regarding Mendoza, you have to wonder why he is leaving. CHILL looked to be a good spot for him.

[dragonpants]

D'ville has quite a bit going for it; with the HC from Lake Travis making his 'system' and Mendoza? I talked with a lady from D'ville regarding their program; there are MAJOR changes afoot, TEAMme, grades, work ethic, the whole bit. Couple that with athletes and whatcha' got?

Regarding Mendoza, you have to wonder why he is leaving. CHILL looked to be a good spot for him.

I have no details but I do know even when he was here that there were some parents and players that did not like him personally but IMO was a great coach and would have been a great contrast to HW as he was to TD.
I know that Hal has had issues retaining coaches in the past and maybe that was his rationale for keeping the staff in tact. It is not the right reason but may be the case. Total speculation on my part but there will be more details in the next couple of days I am sure.
We just missed out on a gem.

[SLCFan]

Ok... I'm gonna take the other side of the fence on this one. Mendoa was a GREAT coach for us when he was here, but what makes you think that he would be able to do the same things as in the past? Especially with the current management in place. There is a reason he is not at Chill anymore and none of us know this reason. I never saw him fitting in over there with Maguire. TD and Mendoza was proved to be a GREAT fit, HW and Mendoza IMO not so great. Would his hands be tied? Although there are many that loved Mendoza, and prolly even more now that we don't have him, I also know there were some that had a strong dislike for his methods... regardless the result. It's the off season and it came too early for us, but let's not fall into the trap of the what if's and we missed out. It seems that since Mendoza did not contact us either that maybe he realizes this isn't the Carroll he coached at... Let's see what 09 holds for our Dragon's and hope for no more injuries. Sorry to be voice of insanity on this one, but Hal hasn't done anything wrong where this is concerned. The last thing this team needs is another change, something else to adjust to... lets see if who we have in place can get things to gel... I know I never expected to be in the State game this year... Although off by our standards lets not take away from these kids what they have accomplished. They were young team with a coaching staff that struggled to fit in and injuries provided hurdles at every turn...

[dragonpants]

Ok... I'm gonna take the other side of the fence on this one. Mendoa was a GREAT coach for us when he was here, but what makes you think that he would be able to do the same things as in the past? Especially with the current management in place. There is a reason he is not at Chill anymore and none of us know this reason. I never saw him fitting in over there with Maguire. TD and Mendoza was proved to be a GREAT fit, HW and Mendoza IMO not so great. Would his hands be tied? Although there are many that loved Mendoza, and prolly even more now that we don't have him, I also know there were some that had a strong dislike for his methods... regardless the result. It's the off season and it came too early for us, but let's not fall into the trap of the what if's and we missed out. It seems that since Mendoza did not contact us either that maybe he realizes this isn't the Carroll he coached at... Let's see what 09 holds for our Dragon's and hope for no more injuries. Sorry to be voice of insanity on this one, but Hal hasn't done anything wrong where this is concerned. The last thing this team needs is another change, something else to adjust to... lets see if who we have in place can get things to gel... I know I never expected to be in the State game this year... Although off by our standards lets not take away from these kids what they have accomplished. They were young team with a coaching staff that struggled to fit in and injuries provided hurdles at every turn...

I understand but what I am hearing is that Mendoza did contact HW and he passed.
I am not taking anything away from the kids, IMO coach Mendoza would give them the a better opportunity to be successful. I do not know how the dynamic would work between the two of them. I do know that Hal is more offensive minded and he could turn over the defense to Mendoza.
I am of the opinion that you get the best players and the best coaches.
It is interesting that Mendoza and CH have parted ways. It appeared as though he did good things while there for one season.

[SLC93]

Ok... I'm gonna take the other side of the fence on this one. Mendoa was a GREAT coach for us when he was here, but what makes you think that he would be able to do the same things as in the past? Especially with the current management in place. There is a reason he is not at Chill anymore and none of us know this reason. I never saw him fitting in over there with Maguire. TD and Mendoza was proved to be a GREAT fit, HW and Mendoza IMO not so great. Would his hands be tied? Although there are many that loved Mendoza, and prolly even more now that we don't have him, I also know there were some that had a strong dislike for his methods... regardless the result. It's the off season and it came too early for us, but let's not fall into the trap of the what if's and we missed out. It seems that since Mendoza did not contact us either that maybe he realizes this isn't the Carroll he coached at... Let's see what 09 holds for our Dragon's and hope for no more injuries. Sorry to be voice of insanity on this one, but Hal hasn't done anything wrong where this is concerned. The last thing this team needs is another change, something else to adjust to... lets see if who we have in place can get things to gel... I know I never expected to be in the State game this year... Although off by our standards lets not take away from these kids what they have accomplished. They were young team with a coaching staff that struggled to fit in and injuries provided hurdles at every turn...


The dynamic between the two would have to be considered, of course. Mendoza definitely had his detractors. His style was less than warm & fuzzy, no doubt. His results were not up for debate, though. Remember that TD got to pick the first ten players. With the talent currently on that defense, he'd have a hay day. I'm not saying he is the answer or that Hal is a fool for taking a pass, if he did. This is the year for this staff, especially our defensive coordinator. I'm willing to attribute a great many of our defensive problems to the increased pressure put on a young unit by a struggling offense. What I'm unwilling to do is give Wilson credit for being the same level of cordinator as Mendoza, from and adjustment and creativity stand point. He's come miles but has miles yet to go. It's not a bad thing that we continue to move forward. It's not a bad thing that we're not scooping up pieces of our past because there are no guarantees. I support the kids and our program, never wavering. Progress, improvement, preparation and execution should be all we're concerned with right now.

[SLC93]

I understand but what I am hearing is that Mendoza did contact HW and he passed.
I am not taking anything away from the kids, IMO coach Mendoza would give them the a better opportunity to be successful. I do not know how the dynamic would work between the two of them. I do know that Hal is more offensive minded and he could turn over the defense to Mendoza.
I am of the opinion that you get the best players and the best coaches.
It is interesting that Mendoza and CH have parted ways. It appeared as though he did good things while there for one season.

Mendoza's stlye and delivery weren't going to work at CHill. I saw that one coming. The program is too new to success for a coach like him to have much of a shelf life. At an established winner, like a Carroll, it can work. At a loser it never will.

[SLCFan]

I understand but what I am hearing is that Mendoza did contact HW and he passed.
I am not taking anything away from the kids, IMO coach Mendoza would give them the a better opportunity to be successful. I do not know how the dynamic would work between the two of them. I do know that Hal is more offensive minded and he could turn over the defense to Mendoza.
I am of the opinion that you get the best players and the best coaches.
It is interesting that Mendoza and CH have parted ways. It appeared as though he did good things while there for one season.

If that is the case then there is probably a good reason. I am not in love with the current staff, but in reality it could be worse, and it definately could be better. I'm looking forward to what this year holds for the program, I think enough time has passed for this to truly be Hal's team and the talent is there. The youth grew tremandously through out the year and have become seasoned players. Injuries aside, I think there are a lot of fans focusing on this season to tell the story of this staff. We need at the very least one stand out receiver, obviously more would be better. There were a few that looked to step up this year but the loss of Padron proved to be too much. Most of the Dragon faithful on here are level headed and do not accept what we have experienced the last two seasons, but this one will be crucial for the current staff... Of course this is just my opinion.

[CCCSportsFan]

Mendoza's stlye and delivery weren't going to work at CHill. I saw that one coming. The program is too new to success for a coach like him to have much of a shelf life. At an established winner, like a Carroll, it can work. At a loser it never will.

His style didn't really fit at UNT either. My point isn't to debate his effectiveness or lack there of at UNT, just to say RM needs to make sure he finds the right job and environment that will allow his style to work.

The environment with TD at Carroll was almost the perfect storm for his style. I still think that it would not be with HW. And nothing against either HW or RM, sometimes things just don't, or won't jell regardless of the effort put forth by both sides.

[SLC93]

If that is the case then there is probably a good reason. I am not in love with the current staff, but in reality it could be worse, and it definately could be better. I'm looking forward to what this year holds for the program, I think enough time has passed for this to truly be Hal's team and the talent is there. The youth grew tremandously through out the year and have become seasoned players. Injuries aside, I think there are a lot of fans focusing on this season to tell the story of this staff. We need at the very least one stand out receiver, obviously more would be better. There were a few that looked to step up this year but the loss of Padron proved to be too much. Most of the Dragon faithful on here are level headed and do not accept what we have experienced the last two seasons, but this one will be crucial for the current staff... Of course this is just my opinion.

The thing that bothers me, with regards to the receiving core, is that the talent is there. They've been dominating in their subvarsity levels for years. There has been a disconnect for some reason, That seamless transition has been disrupted and I'm not near enough to the program to really know why. Just what I see.

[SLCFan]

The thing that bothers me, with regards to the receiving core, is that the talent is there. They've been dominating in their subvarsity levels for years. There has been a disconnect for some reason, That seamless transition has been disrupted and I'm not near enough to the program to really know why. Just what I see.

Very true...

[trainin' the game]

Mendoza's stlye and delivery weren't going to work at CHill. I saw that one coming. The program is too new to success for a coach like him to have much of a shelf life. At an established winner, like a Carroll, it can work. At a loser it never will.

that's a really bold comment coming off a 31-18 loss in the second round. ch has no where near the tradition of slc; but the tide has turned since 2005. you guys really need to get your facts straight.

[dragonpants]

this guy used to write for DMN, there is more to this story because the drive from Keller to Duncanville in much better than Keller to Cedar Hill :rolleyes:

Defensive coordinator Ron Mendoza has decided to leave Cedar Hill after a season said Cedar Hill coach Joey McGuire, returning Monday evening from coaching in the Under Armour All-American game in Orland, Fla.

McGuire said Mendoza's first-year with Cedar Hill was successful but Mendoza said the drive from his home in the Keller area was creating a daily burden... McGuire said Mendoza's plans, whether as a head coach or a DC elsewhere haven't been finalized... Mendoza was a highly successful DC at Southlake Carroll with Dragons coach Todd Dodge but Mendoza was let go by Dodge after one year as DC at the University of North Texas...

Cedar Hill switched to Mendoza's specialty ... a base 4-3 defense ...

david mcnabb

[CCCSportsFan]

The thing that bothers me, with regards to the receiving core, is that the talent is there. They've been dominating in their subvarsity levels for years. There has been a disconnect for some reason, That seamless transition has been disrupted and I'm not near enough to the program to really know why. Just what I see.

Crunked made a great observation about this a month ago... Clayton George was an incredible WR coach, especially in instilling and continuing to drill WR fundamentals at every practice. Coach George is one of the guys that has done well up at UNT for Dodge considering the total situation he's had to work with up there.

There are some very talented kids in the WR ranks, all the way back to the freshman class. The coaches just need to polish these potential diamonds.

[dragonpants]

The thing that bothers me, with regards to the receiving core, is that the talent is there. They've been dominating in their subvarsity levels for years. There has been a disconnect for some reason, That seamless transition has been disrupted and I'm not near enough to the program to really know why. Just what I see.

I think the disconnect is that we did not throw to them much after KP was injured. When you used to getting 5-10 balls thrown to you a game and then have that reduced to 2-3 it is going to effect your preparation, timing etc.

[SLC93]

that's a really bold comment coming off a 31-18 loss in the second round. ch has no where near the tradition of slc; but the tide has turned since 2005. you guys really need to get your facts straight.

You've misinterpretted what I said. I was not implying, in any way, shape, form or fashion that CHill is anything other than a winner. You're program has proven that, under McGuire, they have staying power. What I'm saying is, realistically, you're just now getting to the point where the culture has really changed. It takes a while for things to take root from k-12, especially at a program that didn't know p/o victory until a couple of seasons ago. Mendoza is a bitter brand of cofee. Kids that will do well under him are accustomed to being pushed not to the limit, but beyond it, everyday. That takes years to learn to deal with properly. If you've only known real success for a few season, you may not be equipped for a coach of this nature.

[SLC93]

Crunked made a great observation about this a month ago... Clayton George was an incredible WR coach, especially in instilling and continuing to drill WR fundamentals at every practice. Coach George is one of the guys that has done well up at UNT for Dodge considering the total situation he's had to work with up there.

There are some very talented kids in the WR ranks, all the way back to the freshman class. The coaches just need to polish these potential diamonds.

I remember him saying that and he's correct. The precision, crispness and soft hands seem to have slid back a good bit. I'll say that even considering only the games KP played. As nice as things we developing the fundamental domination of the position's skill set were lacking.

[SLC]

Ok... I'm gonna take the other side of the fence on this one. Mendoa was a GREAT coach for us when he was here, but what makes you think that he would be able to do the same things as in the past? Especially with the current management in place. There is a reason he is not at Chill anymore and none of us know this reason. I never saw him fitting in over there with Maguire. TD and Mendoza was proved to be a GREAT fit, HW and Mendoza IMO not so great. Would his hands be tied? Although there are many that loved Mendoza, and prolly even more now that we don't have him, I also know there were some that had a strong dislike for his methods... regardless the result. It's the off season and it came too early for us, but let's not fall into the trap of the what if's and we missed out. It seems that since Mendoza did not contact us either that maybe he realizes this isn't the Carroll he coached at... Let's see what 09 holds for our Dragon's and hope for no more injuries. Sorry to be voice of insanity on this one, but Hal hasn't done anything wrong where this is concerned. The last thing this team needs is another change, something else to adjust to... lets see if who we have in place can get things to gel... I know I never expected to be in the State game this year... Although off by our standards lets not take away from these kids what they have accomplished. They were young team with a coaching staff that struggled to fit in and injuries provided hurdles at every turn...

There is alot of truth in this post from the standpoint that this team has moved beyond the TD and Mendoza years and while its nastalgic to reminisce about the days gone past, its also looking to the future of the program and moving forward with what we have in place and re accessing where we stand after each season.. And when the past season is looked at, we can plainly see that just as the offense was most affected by injury, so to was the defense. We were playing well with the staff we had and they looked like geniuses calling plays, until the injury bug hit them. Also consider that to bring Mendoza in, would likely mean to let another coach go... and what has anyone on defense done to warrant letting them go.. Its times like this that I defer to folks like BigRing in that his son plays on the team and by all accounts from him and JR, the defensive staff are the right people, at least for now.. My personal feelings aside, as well as some players from the recent past feelings aside, I believe for now the right choice was made in not making a move on Mendoza.

[SLC]

this guy used to write for DMN, there is more to this story because the drive from Keller to Duncanville in much better than Keller to Cedar Hill :rolleyes:

Defensive coordinator Ron Mendoza has decided to leave Cedar Hill after a season said Cedar Hill coach Joey McGuire, returning Monday evening from coaching in the Under Armour All-American game in Orland, Fla.

McGuire said Mendoza's first-year with Cedar Hill was successful but Mendoza said the drive from his home in the Keller area was creating a daily burden... McGuire said Mendoza's plans, whether as a head coach or a DC elsewhere haven't been finalized... Mendoza was a highly successful DC at Southlake Carroll with Dragons coach Todd Dodge but Mendoza was let go by Dodge after one year as DC at the University of North Texas...

Cedar Hill switched to Mendoza's specialty ... a base 4-3 defense ...

david mcnabb


Haha.. I had to chuckle at this.. Maybe TD let Mendoza go at UNT because he felt the drive from Keller to Denton was to far as well. So he was keeping Mendoza's best interest at heart.:D

[SLC]

that's a really bold comment coming off a 31-18 loss in the second round. ch has no where near the tradition of slc; but the tide has turned since 2005. you guys really need to get your facts straight.

I agree, that wasn't a very well presented arguement with the recent sucess and the winning tradition they are building at Cedar Hill. they are quickly becoming a top notch program here in North Texas and consider to that Carroll's success was new at one point as well. It all starts somewhere and Chill is proving that with great coaching and dedicated kids that they are no longer new to the scene.. that are a big player in it.

[SLC]

I think the disconnect is that we did not throw to them much after KP was injured. When you used to getting 5-10 balls thrown to you a game and then have that reduced to 2-3 it is going to effect your preparation, timing etc.


This X 100.

[Classof10Dragons]

Hope Hal and staff were watching Ohio last night and their use of multiple QBs. Very interesting and certainly has potential for us in 2009.

[SLC]

Hope Hal and staff were watching Ohio last night and their use of multiple QBs. Very interesting and certainly has potential for us in 2009.

Maybe.. But that use of the QB's last night was alot of JT wanting to get his senior some playing time in his last bowl.

I feel fairly confident that KW will not be playing any other position than QB.. DP is a different story, but where does that leave us if DP is the starting QB?

[SLC93]

I agree, that wasn't a very well presented arguement with the recent sucess and the winning tradition they are building at Cedar Hill. they are quickly becoming a top notch program here in North Texas and consider to that Carroll's success was new at one point as well. It all starts somewhere and Chill is proving that with great coaching and dedicated kids that they are no longer new to the scene.. that are a big player in it.

After a little clarification by way of follow up post, I stand by the arguement.

[trainin' the game]

You've misinterpretted what I said. I was not implying, in any way, shape, form or fashion that CHill is anything other than a winner. You're program has proven that, under McGuire, they have staying power. What I'm saying is, realistically, you're just now getting to the point where the culture has really changed. It takes a while for things to take root from k-12, especially at a program that didn't know p/o victory until a couple of seasons ago. Mendoza is a bitter brand of cofee. Kids that will do well under him are accustomed to being pushed not to the limit, but beyond it, everyday. That takes years to learn to deal with properly. If you've only known real success for a few season, you may not be equipped for a coach of this nature.

oh ok. yea it could take some time.

[SLC93]

Maybe.. But that use of the QB's last night was alot of JT wanting to get his senior some playing time in his last bowl.

I feel fairly confident that KW will not be playing any other position than QB.. DP is a different story, but where does that leave us if DP is the starting QB?

If DP beats out a 100% healthy, KW it means that he has continued to work and blossom. That can only be a good thing for the team. I think the former will happen, however, and KW wins out. I also think that DP transitions smoothly to a new position, in a win/win situation. We get to have his talent on the field and, perhaps, he can showcase his skillset better. DP is not a college prospect at qb, imo. As an athlete or receiver, very much so. Just as KW is only a prospect as a qb. I like this scanario playing itself out.

[SLC93]

oh ok. yea it could take some time.

:)

[dragons08]

Maybe.. But that use of the QB's last night was alot of JT wanting to get his senior some playing time in his last bowl.

I feel fairly confident that KW will not be playing any other position than QB.. DP is a different story, but where does that leave us if DP is the starting QB?

Well let's remember Boeckman has a better arm, and was a completion or two away from earning the dubya. tOSU wr's dropped a few....

But back to the Dragons, I think converting DP to a rb/wr combo threat as well can add some tricks to this offense.

Think about a backfield with DP, KW, and Avers. The 2 RB set seemed to work pretty well.

[Classof10Dragons]

We've also got the JV green QB, Maxie, that will be a Sr. next year. Don't think he'll compete with DP or KW, but could add to the WR talent pool.

[SLC]

We've also got the JV green QB, Maxie, that will be a Sr. next year. Don't think he'll compete with DP or KW, but could add to the WR talent pool.


Indeed.. ideas abound.. I love it!!:D

[15Adragon]

If DP beats out a 100% healthy, KW it means that he has continued to work and blossom. That can only be a good thing for the team. I think the former will happen, however, and KW wins out. I also think that DP transitions smoothly to a new position, in a win/win situation. We get to have his talent on the field and, perhaps, he can showcase his skillset better. DP is not a college prospect at qb, imo. As an athlete or receiver, very much so. Just as KW is only a prospect as a qb. I like this scanario playing itself out.

Lots of ingredients to play with and hopefully they can come up with the best mix. This is why I am not very concerned about the way we open the season. I would rather give them some time and see what we look like entering District play. This is assuming that we remain flexible and make adjustments if the mix isn't working.

[gasman]

Well let's remember Boeckman has a better arm, and was a completion or two away from earning the dubya. tOSU wr's dropped a few....

But back to the Dragons, I think converting DP to a rb/wr combo threat as well can add some tricks to this offense.

Think about a backfield with DP, KW, and Avers. The 2 RB set seemed to work pretty well.


HW has already set in motion for the RB's to be Avers, and the two juniors, Stephenson, and Williams. Does not indicate that this could not change. DP with his height, speed, and running skills could make an excellent WR. Maxie would also be good. Lots of possibilities. HW needs to take the talent he has and put it to use where it fits best. Williams and Stephenson could also be inside receivers as well.

[4rings]

Obviously we don't know all the details Rings, could be contractual issues that very few are privvy to around the current staff that prevented HW or CW from even being able to give it a serious thought... I know this isn't the NFL but teacher contracts are still contracts.

Either way, it's too bad though... Coach Mendoza's presence would be known and felt within 5 minutes of his hiring :)

Teachers contracts can and should be honored, however, coaches can be reassigned within districts. I understand that the DC is looking for a HC position.

[4rings]

This X 100.

I have to concur. KP threw a catchable ball and his accuracy didn't require the receivers to make "the hard catch."

[DrEdward]

Teachers contracts can and should be honored, however, coaches can be reassigned within districts. I understand that the DC is looking for a HC position.

Within a given ISD perhaps, but not within districts.

[4rings]

Within a given ISD perhaps, but not within districts.

For example...DC can be reassigned from CSH (Carroll Senior High) to CHS (Carroll High School). He doesn't have to stay at the same school. He can teach, but may/may not coach. Carroll has done it before. Think basketball. Not naming names, but you know what I'm getting at.

[DrEdward]

For example...DC can be reassigned from CSH (Carroll Senior High) to CHS (Carroll High School). He doesn't have to stay at the same school. He can teach, but may/may not coach. Carroll has done it before. Think basketball. Not naming names, but you know what I'm getting at.

Yes, subject to contract limitations and, I would assume that teachers have at least some input, Carroll can move teachers around within the ISD/school system. If that is what you mean by "district." then we are in agreement.

[4rings]

Yes, subject to contract limitations and, I would assume that teachers have at least some input, Carroll can move teachers around within the ISD/school system. If that is what you mean by "district." then we are in agreement.

yes, CISD....in this case

[dragons08]

For example...DC can be reassigned from CSH (Carroll Senior High) to CHS (Carroll High School). He doesn't have to stay at the same school. He can teach, but may/may not coach. Carroll has done it before. Think basketball. Not naming names, but you know what I'm getting at.

Would this by any chance be the same teacher/coach who could not pass his own tests?

[SLC]

Would this by any chance be the same teacher/coach who could not pass his own tests?


Yikesees.:ninja:

[dragons08]

Yikesees.:ninja:

Of course he lasted a semester I believe. Maybe one and a half.

[Classof10Dragons]

Saw in the paper today, heard on the Ticket, that OU vs. BYU is at Jerry World on Sat. 9/5. Is the Landry Classic the warm-up act :confused:

[SLC]

Saw in the paper today, heard on the Ticket, that OU vs. BYU is at Jerry World on Sat. 9/5. Is the Landry Classic the warm-up act :confused:

Hmm.. interesting.. We need to check into that.

[gasman]

Does anyone know who SL will play in nondistrict pre season games in 2009? I hope we will have opponents that will prepare us for district play.

[gasman]

Hmm.. interesting.. We need to check into that.


Will this be the opening game at Jerry World?:D

[4rings]

Does anyone know who SL will play in nondistrict pre season games in 2009? I hope we will have opponents that will prepare us for district play.

You are kidding, right? If not, they play the same ones as last year, but just flip the location, with the exception of Bellaire. They come to us again (shouldn't really use again because they didn't come to us last year). Plano West in Arlington, Arlington away, Mesquite comes to us, at Northshore, and Bellaire comes to us. District: Coppell, Marcus and Hebron come to us, while we play Flower Mound and Lewisville away. I expect we'll be ready for district after this nondistrict schedule.

[SLC]

You are kidding, right? If not, they play the same ones as last year, but just flip the location, with the exception of Bellaire. They come to us again (shouldn't really use again because they didn't come to us last year). Plano West in Arlington, Arlington away, Mesquite comes to us, at Northshore, and Bellaire comes to us. District: Coppell, Marcus and Hebron come to us, while we play Flower Mound and Lewisville away. I expect we'll be ready for district after this nondistrict schedule.

yea and Doc was saying we might get Arlington at Jerry World instead of their place.. That would be cool because their place sucks.:D

[4rings]

yea and Doc was saying we might get Arlington at Jerry World instead of their place.. That would be cool because their place sucks.:D

yea the artificial turf sucks...guys come out all burned and scratched up. It's like playing in a parking lot.

[gasman]

You are kidding, right? If not, they play the same ones as last year, but just flip the location, with the exception of Bellaire. They come to us again (shouldn't really use again because they didn't come to us last year). Plano West in Arlington, Arlington away, Mesquite comes to us, at Northshore, and Bellaire comes to us. District: Coppell, Marcus and Hebron come to us, while we play Flower Mound and Lewisville away. I expect we'll be ready for district after this nondistrict schedule.

Thanks. When I lived in Lufkin, we played the same teams that were in our district but some of the non district games were different teams as compared to the year before. Lufkin was placed in the Houston district in 2004 and we played Katy and in 2005 we played Magnolia instead of Katy. I was just wondering if Southlake may play a different team in 2009.:)

[DrEdward]

yea and Doc was saying we might get Arlington at Jerry World instead of their place.. That would be cool because their place sucks.:D

I am not sure that it is a settled matter yet, but I do understand that Arlington made the request to play at the new stadium. It would decidedly be an imnprovement over UTA's place.

[dragons08]

I am not sure that it is a settled matter yet, but I do understand that Arlington made teh request to play at the new stadium. It would decidedly be an imnprovement over UTA's place.

Maverick stadium is the bomb.

[SLC]

Maverick stadium is the bomb.

Yea.. Literally... It sucks.

[dragons08]

Yea.. Literally... It sucks.

That stadium contains so much history. What other college can say they have a football stadium but no football team?

That's historic.

[SLC]

That stadium contains so much history. What other college can say they have a football stadium but no football team?

That's historic.

Actually they are getting a football team.. They've already hired coaches I believe.

[dragons08]

Actually they are getting a football team.. They've already hired coaches I believe.

That'd be their brothers down south in San Antone.

[SLC]

That'd be their brothers down south in San Antone.


Ah.. oh well.. So yea. Were back to a stadium with no team.:D

[SLC]

What'd the friendly farmer do?


He had a few words with some whiners in the college section and was awarded a 30 day vacation for his efforts.:D

[SLC]

What'd the friendly farmer do?


See post above kind sir.:)

[drgnbkr]

That'd be their brothers down south in San Antone.

What'd the friendly farmer do?

[AllStreak]

Anyone know anything about the AD situation yet? Will Willingham try to keep the position?

[drgnbkr]

Anyone know anything about the AD situation yet? Will Willingham try to keep the position?

I think they are searching.

[4rings]

Anyone know anything about the AD situation yet? Will Willingham try to keep the position?

I understand that they would like to announce an AD before Spring Break...so he has the entire week to recruit....:o

[toonman]

Saw in the paper today, heard on the Ticket, that OU vs. BYU is at Jerry World on Sat. 9/5. Is the Landry Classic the warm-up act :confused:

I am sure that the Dragons play Plano West on 0 Week which is Saturday August 29th 2009.

[DrEdward]

Anyone know anything about the AD situation yet? Will Willingham try to keep the position?

Interviews will be taking place with the candidates in about two weeks.

[4rings]

I am sure that the Dragons play Plano West on 0 Week which is Saturday August 29th 2009.

Playing an afternoon game during 0 week SUCKS, unless it is indoors. Wake up coaches. Reminds me of 05 when Midland Lee tried to screw SLC by playing in Abilene (Shotwell) in August. I believe the temp hit 120 on the field. Lee was really smart. They even wore their dark maroon jerseys...not only did they get their a$$e$ spanked on the field...all the players suffering from heat related injuries were theirs. ok, except for 1 SLC band girl...she was tougher because she fell out in the 4th qtr....

Last year against Plano West, SLC was in the sun and burned our a$$e$ off as we beat Plano West in the Landry classic. HOT!!!!!!

Close the roof in Arlington and crank on the air.

[DrEdward]

Playing an afternoon game during 0 week SUCKS, unless it is indoors. Wake up coaches. Reminds me of 05 when Midland Lee tried to screw SLC by playing in Abilene (Shotwell) in August. I believe the temp hit 120 on the field. Lee was really smart. They even wore their dark maroon jerseys...not only did they get their a$$e$ spanked on the field...all the players suffering from heat related injuries were theirs. ok, except for 1 SLC band girl...she was tougher because she fell out in the 4th qtr....

Last year against Plano West, SLC was in the sun and burned our a$$e$ off as we beat Plano West in the Landry classic. HOT!!!!!!

Close the roof in Arlington and crank on the air.

This.

[CCCSportsFan]

Guys, I just heard that Coach Drake resigned from UNT over the Christmas break. He'd been the D-line coach for TD here and in Denton. Any one know the details or where he ended up??

[CCCSportsFan]

Interviews will be taking place with the candidates in about two weeks.

Doc, you have a feel for who some of the candidates are we're looking at for the position? Just curious if there is anyone already within CISD that they're considering...

[DrEdward]

Doc, you have a feel for who some of the candidates are we're looking at for the position? Just curious if there is anyone already within CISD that they're considering...

There are internal candidate(s) for the AD position plus some very good external ones; one in particular stands out from external sources. So far as I am aware, no one has an inside track to the job, however. A sticking point may be money, as Carroll does not pay as much as many other school districts. :o (Except for superintendents.)

[CCCSportsFan]

There are internal candidate(s) for the AD position plus some very good external ones; one in particular stands out from external sources. So far as I am aware, no one has an inside track to the job, however. A sticking point may be money, as Carroll does not pay as much as many other school districts. :o (Except for superintendents.)

Thank you Doc for the info :)

I've got mixed feelings on the superintendents "housing" allowance. He's done a great job and it would be tough to have to go get another one so soon. But $5,000 a month on top of his salary rubs me the wrong way...

[15Adragon]

Playing an afternoon game during 0 week SUCKS, unless it is indoors. Wake up coaches. Reminds me of 05 when Midland Lee tried to screw SLC by playing in Abilene (Shotwell) in August. I believe the temp hit 120 on the field. Lee was really smart. They even wore their dark maroon jerseys...not only did they get their a$$e$ spanked on the field...all the players suffering from heat related injuries were theirs. ok, except for 1 SLC band girl...she was tougher because she fell out in the 4th qtr....

Last year against Plano West, SLC was in the sun and burned our a$$e$ off as we beat Plano West in the Landry classic. HOT!!!!!!

Close the roof in Arlington and crank on the air.

Thanks for reminding me. I can't believe that we would agree to play as a "Warmup Act" for a couple of average 4A teams. What is that? Swagger starts with leadership. This should be an interview question for the new AD, " Would you ever schedule the Dragons as a warmup act? " For the fans and players it was a very WARM experience. I think we should try to do better. Protect the Dragon brand. :cool:

[CCHS77]

Guys, I just heard that Coach Drake resigned from UNT over the Christmas break. He'd been the D-line coach for TD here and in Denton. Any one know the details or where he ended up??

I believe the announcement said he would be coaching at Keller Central. Don't know the exact position.

[SLC]

Thanks for reminding me. I can't believe that we would agree to play as a "Warmup Act" for a couple of average 4A teams. What is that? Swagger starts with leadership. This should be an interview question for the new AD, " Would you ever schedule the Dragons as a warmup act? " For the fans and players it was a very WARM experience. I think we should try to do better. Protect the Dragon brand. :cool:

Not sure we could clasify HP as an average 4A team.. other than that I can see the arguement of having Carroll play the second game.

[15Adragon]

Not sure we could clasify HP as an average 4A team.. other than that I can see the arguement of having Carroll play the second game.

Noted. Should have said average 4A game. Maybe we lost a coin flip or something like that and had to play the first game. ;)

[DrEdward]

Noted. Should have said average 4A game. Maybe we lost a coin flip or something like that and had to play the first game. ;)

In many cases, Carroll actually prefers the early games. It allows better access to parking, particularly at a place like SMU where parking is a really scarce item and it allows the fans a choice of seats.

[15Adragon]

In many cases, Carroll actually prefers the early games. It allows better access to parking, particularly at a place like SMU where parking is a really scarce item and it allows the fans a choice of seats.

Good point. I think in the future the August heat may trump the parking and other issues being considered. It was so hot that day and we were staring into the afternoon sun for most of the game. I was plugged into the game and able to adapt, but I lost my wife and daughter as they went to sit on the other side of the stadium. :eek:

[DrEdward]

Good point. I think in the future the August heat may trump the parking and other issues being considered. It was so hot that day and we were staring into the afternoon sun for most of the game. I was plugged into the game and able to adapt, but I lost my wife and daughter as they went to sit on the other side of the stadium. :eek:

I can relate. There was no hope in Abilene on either side, but at least at SMU, shade was available. Fortunately, West didn't have much of a crowd to take it all up.

[4rings]

Guys, I just heard that Coach Drake resigned from UNT over the Christmas break. He'd been the D-line coach for TD here and in Denton. Any one know the details or where he ended up??

Looking for a high school job. Let's see now...2 years in a row TD has had one of the worst teams in D1. Who pays the price...Mendoza last year and Drake this year...if I was Todd Ford or Clayton George I wouldn't get a new mortgage...just a matter of time...TD has to make improvement in year 3 or he could be in trouble...looking back "retrospectively" speaking, TD should have stayed at SLC. A no win situation (ok 3 wins in 2 years) awaited him at UNT. Wonder where RD will end up if Dad gets the pink slip?

[dragons08]

Good point. I think in the future the August heat may trump the parking and other issues being considered. It was so hot that day and we were staring into the afternoon sun for most of the game. I was plugged into the game and able to adapt, but I lost my wife and daughter as they went to sit on the other side of the stadium. :eek:

I toughed out the heat and was right in the sun. PLUS I had a big boot on my leg cause of my broken ankle. I'm tough. :cool:

Despite what some people say about Under Armour, I tell you what those shirts keep you cool. I wear them all the time, most of time not for "keeping cool", but when I need them for that, they sure do work well. During that game I was not dying like most people were.