**Carroll Dragon Fan Thread**

[drgnbkr]

The death star is good to the unbeaten Dragons! Is the defense stepping up or what?:notworthy:notworthy O-line also...:notworthy Good job guys!

[CCCSportsFan]

Was nice to see blonde hair, white jerseys and black pants again!

Great win Dragons :notworthy

[drgnbkr]

Was nice to see blonde hair, white jerseys and black pants again!

Great win Dragons :notworthy

And 40-7...:p

[SLCDad]

Great game today Dragons!!!

Very, very good in all phases of the game:

Defense. Spectactular all around

Special Teams. Spectacular. 49-yd FG, huge kick-off return by Tanner, kick-offs out of the end zone, miniscule return yards by chill.

Offense. Outstanding. Kenny controlled the game. Ezzard had multiple clutch runs. Almost mistake free. Receivers good as usual.

Coaching & Other. Great game plan, team preparation and play calling. Fine game management. Only 3 penalties.

These kids are peaking at the right time!

Congrats to the kids and coaches. You have made us proud all season, but today was the best yet.

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

[DragonHeart]

Great game today Dragons!!!

Very, very good in all phases of the game:

Defense. Spectactular all around

Special Teams. Spectacular. 49-yd FG, huge kick-off return by Tanner, kick-offs out of the end zone, miniscule return yards by chill.

Offense. Outstanding. Kenny controlled the game. Ezzard had multiple clutch runs. Almost mistake free. Receivers good as usual.

Coaching & Other. Great game plan, team preparation and play calling. Fine game management. Only 3 penalties.

These kids are peaking at the right time!

Congrats to the kids and coaches. You have made us proud all season, but today was the best yet.

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

Agree with most of this - this was the most dominating effort in some time against a good football team. A good time to put it all together.

Don't want to nitpick a 40-7 win . . but thought there was some questionable time management at the end of the first half costing us a chance at a throw or 2 in the end zone. We sat on 2 timeouts and let the clock run down after a first down run, so when we completed a pass down field there were only 8 seconds left and had to kick the FG.

Also, there was a return right up the far sideline for about 50 yards or so late in the game I think.

A question for those in the know . . curious why we didn't see #40 especially when we were running out the clock in the 4th quarter . . . he was suited out I think . . . can only assume he is nicked up and being held out.

[DragonHeart]

Anybody know specifics on Bowie game?

[DragonFan0316]

D -Fense!!:notworthy

[SLCbandmom]

Anybody know specifics on Bowie game?

I read it's Saturday at Pennington, but the article doesn't say what time:

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/high-school/post/_/id/9252/ezzard-southlake-carroll-dominate-cedar-hill

[SLCDad]

Agree with most of this - this was the most dominating effort in some time against a good football team. A good time to put it all together.

Don't want to nitpick a 40-7 win . . but thought there was some questionable time management at the end of the first half costing us a chance at a throw or 2 in the end zone. We sat on 2 timeouts and let the clock run down after a first down run, so when we completed a pass down field there were only 8 seconds left and had to kick the FG.

Also, there was a return right up the far sideline for about 50 yards or so late in the game I think.

I agree and would add Kenny's muffed throw/interception at the chill 29 as another mistake. The game wasn't total perfection but close.

[Southlakehawk]

I read it's Saturday at Pennington, but the article doesn't say what time:

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/high-school/post/_/id/9252/ezzard-southlake-carroll-dominate-cedar-hill

5:00 --Today was a State Title Looking Team. Not saying they will, but today they sure looked like one. Great d all day, solid running by AJ and Kenny. Great special teams, total team effort!!

[cougmantx]

Congratulations SLC. I thought y'all had this one. Wish y'all were D2 or we were D1...would make for a fun Christmas. Good luck the rest of the way. :yes:

[dragonpants]

5:00 --Today was a State Title Looking Team. Not saying they will, but today they sure looked like one. Great d all day, solid running by AJ and Kenny. Great special teams, total team effort!!

Easy there!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look at the potential road ahead. Bowie who smacked us around last time we played them, Trinity, Desoto/Skyline and then the state game.

Let's just enjoy this one focus on Bowie, have some fun watching practice Thursday morning and watch our boys near by at Pennington.

[Draco1]

Agree with most of this - this was the most dominating effort in some time against a good football team. A good time to put it all together.

Don't want to nitpick a 40-7 win . . but thought there was some questionable time management at the end of the first half costing us a chance at a throw or 2 in the end zone. We sat on 2 timeouts and let the clock run down after a first down run, so when we completed a pass down field there were only 8 seconds left and had to kick the FG.

Also, there was a return right up the far sideline for about 50 yards or so late in the game I think.

A question for those in the know . . curious why we didn't see #40 especially when we were running out the clock in the 4th quarter . . . he was suited out I think . . . can only assume he is nicked up and being held out.

I agree and would add Kenny's muffed throw/interception at the chill 29 as another mistake. The game wasn't total perfection but close.

...and did you see the young man on the drumline that dropped his drumstick during the "Lids" halftime performance? It seemed that a Belle or two were a tad out of sync during their jazz performance. Not nitpicking, but not total perfection. :rolleyes:

12-0. A 40-7 dismantling of Cedar Hill. Good enough for me.

[toonman]

Today's win was very remittent of the State Championship game runs of the 2002 to 2006 teams. Great Dragon performance with a great support by the fans and a complete shut down of a Cedar Hill team that were made to look very ordinary.

[slcdragonfan]

Congratulations SLC. I thought y'all had this one. Wish y'all were D2 or we were D1...would make for a fun Christmas. Good luck the rest of the way. :yes:

Thanks cougman. A very incredible performance by all involved, D, O, special teams, can't say enough about how this D has come around.

Hopefully I can share a wee dram of Scotch and eggnog with you Katy boys when you come up for your game. ;)

[DrEdward]

Arlington: Bowie vs Southlake: Carroll

Saturday, November 26, 2011
5:00 PM Kickoff

Pennington Field

Note: Trinity will be playing Arlington: Martin @ 12:00n and the Stadium will be cleared prior to the start of the Carroll game. So the ticket will be good for a single game only.

Pregame sales.. - $.8.00 for Adults
Tickets at gate - $10.00 for Adults

Tickets on sale at Dragon Stadium:

Tuesday: 8:30am - 12:00n
Wednesday: 8:30am - 12:00n
T-day: 8:30am - 10:30am
Friday: 8:30am - 10:30am

Carroll will be seated on the Home Side

Parking: $5.00

[drgnbkr]

Arlington: Bowie vs Southlake: Carroll

Saturday, November 26, 2011
5:00 PM Kickoff

Pennington Field

Note: Trinity will be playing Arlington: Martin @ 12:00n and the Stadium will be cleared prior to the start of the Carroll game. So the ticket will be good for a single game only.

Pregame sales.. - $.8.00 for Adults
Tickets at gate - $10.00 for Adults

Tickets on sale at Dragon Stadium:

Tuesday: 8:30am - 12:00n
Wednesday: 8:30am - 12:00n
T-day: 8:30am - 10:30am
Friday: 8:30am - 10:30am

Carroll will be seated on the Home Side

Parking: $5.00





I don't remember ever being on the home side for one of our games there.

[DrEdward]

I don't remember ever being on the home side for one of our games there.

Vernon vs Carroll in '92 comes to mind immediately.:heli:

[powerofthehaka]

Thanks cougman. A very incredible performance by all involved, D, O, special teams, can't say enough about how this D has come around.

Hopefully I can share a wee dram of Scotch and eggnog with you Katy boys when you come up for your game. ;)

:ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja:

[dragons08]

Are you serious? The one Dragon game I get to to go this year, is right around the same time as the Tech/Baylor game. I should probably ditch the Tech game and go watch the Dragons, but I already spent money on tickets. It'd be nice to watch an actual defense play and have my team win....

[Southlakehawk]

Easy there!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look at the potential road ahead. Bowie who smacked us around last time we played them, Trinity, Desoto/Skyline and then the state game.

Let's just enjoy this one focus on Bowie, have some fun watching practice Thursday morning and watch our boys near by at Pennington.

Aye Aye aye, I didn't say they would win state. I said they looked like a state title team. Someone else on here thinks the same too...
http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/files/2010/02/double-facepalm.jpg

[DragonHeart]

...and did you see the young man on the drumline that dropped his drumstick during the "Lids" halftime performance? It seemed that a Belle or two were a tad out of sync during their jazz performance. Not nitpicking, but not total perfection. :rolleyes:

12-0. A 40-7 dismantling of Cedar Hill. Good enough for me.

actually, I did see the drumstick bobble . . was going to mention it, but he picked them up cleanly so I gave him a pass . . . missed the Belle bit but they can do no wrong in my eyes . . . ;).

Seriously, I hope my comments don't get misconstrued. I was so stoked and encouraged with this performance I can see this team as realistic State title contenders. I think I noted it was the best in a long time against a good team.

Would love to see more of the same against Bowie . . . maybe with better time management . . and while I am writing my Christmas list . . less #13 runs . . . :D

[dragonpants]

actually, I did see the drumstick bobble . . was going to mention it, but he picked them up cleanly so I gave him a pass . . . missed the Belle bit but they can do no wrong in my eyes . . . ;).

Seriously, I hope my comments don't get misconstrued. I was so stoked and encouraged with this performance I can see this team as realistic State title contenders. I think I noted it was the best in a long time against a good team.

Would love to see more of the same against Bowie . . . maybe with better time management . . and while I am writing my Christmas list . . less #13 runs . . . :D

I think they ran Kenny the correct amount yesterday for a number of reasons.
First of all it works and he is a good runner.
They use it to set up other plays, which is why you will see them run him in the same or similar play that was not successful previously because they can then use it to set up the next play or the following one. Football has gotten so much more complicated than just finding the other teams weakness because the coaching is so much better, much more information so it is much more of a chess game than exploiting one thing, more about what they do when we do this and they think we are going to do that etc etc.
No one ever got crazy when Riley ran a lot, however we were deeper at QB then.
That is why it is so much fun to watch you get to see which coach's plan is working better and the kids ability to adjust.

[drgnbkr]

Vernon vs Carroll in '92 comes to mind immediately.:heli:

Yeah, I was on the side somewhere with the overflow and forgot. Anyway, I'm glad we get the larger side.

[dragonpants]

Arlington: Bowie vs Southlake: Carroll

Saturday, November 26, 2011
5:00 PM Kickoff

Pennington Field

Note: Trinity will be playing Arlington: Martin @ 12:00n and the Stadium will be cleared prior to the start of the Carroll game. So the ticket will be good for a single game only.

Pregame sales.. - $.8.00 for Adults
Tickets at gate - $10.00 for Adults

Tickets on sale at Dragon Stadium:

Tuesday: 8:30am - 12:00n
Wednesday: 8:30am - 12:00n
T-day: 8:30am - 10:30am
Friday: 8:30am - 10:30am

Carroll will be seated on the Home Side

Parking: $5.00





Oh my oh my, can you ask for a better day than this, get to the stadium for a little tailgate action. Hang out with the Trojan fans and watch them beat Martin. Leave the game go immediately to Boomerjacks(if you want to save a few bucks, go to Groupon) grab some lunch and some Dragon go go juice and then back to the Stadium for a Dragons game...... woo hooo... a perfect perfect day..........I will get my father in law to start praying for the weather now..............Wow. Plenty of Milk Thistle this week to stabilize the liver. :D

Compare it to a Jerryworld game. It is farther away in and out of seats a pain in the butt, expensive food, I do not have to listen to Allen fans obsess about their big ole band and get dirty looks because we did not vacate after their game, I will probably get to meet Evol finally.

[dragonbuck]

Agree with most of this - this was the most dominating effort in some time against a good football team. A good time to put it all together.

Don't want to nitpick a 40-7 win . . but thought there was some questionable time management at the end of the first half costing us a chance at a throw or 2 in the end zone. We sat on 2 timeouts and let the clock run down after a first down run, so when we completed a pass down field there were only 8 seconds left and had to kick the FG.

Also, there was a return right up the far sideline for about 50 yards or so late in the game I think.

A question for those in the know . . curious why we didn't see #40 especially when we were running out the clock in the 4th quarter . . . he was suited out I think . . . can only assume he is nicked up and being held out.

I have never been a fan of Hal's time management ever since the infamous debacle in Texas stadium with KP under center.

However, you must not have seen Hal screaming at the ref for a time out on that drive yesterday. our fans were so loud at that point the ref didn't hear him, and we lost 6 seconds. Hal was livid. It happened twice on that drive and cost us 10+ seconds. I thought the staff prepared them well and did a great job yesterday:notworthy

[DragonHeart]

I think they ran Kenny the correct amount yesterday for a number of reasons.
First of all it works and he is a good runner.
They use it to set up other plays, which is why you will see them run him in the same or similar play that was not successful previously because they can then use it to set up the next play or the following one. Football has gotten so much more complicated than just finding the other teams weakness because the coaching is so much better, much more information so it is much more of a chess game than exploiting one thing, more about what they do when we do this and they think we are going to do that etc etc.
No one ever got crazy when Riley ran a lot, however we were deeper at QB then.
That is why it is so much fun to watch you get to see which coach's plan is working better and the kids ability to adjust.


I understand the need to set plays up . . just think we have gotten too reliant on the QB running the ball as a % of the overall offense . . especially in the last few games.

Realizing this is a perception based on watching games, I went out to the internet to see if what I thought I was seeing was actually what was happening . . see below

Last 3 games (when I started pubicly expressing my concern):

Guyer - Hill ran 25 of 34 Dragon rushes
Plano East - Hill ran 33 of 44
Cedar Hill - Hill ran 22 of 43 (beter)
Total - Hill ran 80 of 121 or about 67%

During the whole season (mainly based on MaxPreps data but close to FW Star Telegram #s also), Hill has run 198 out of 385 (excluding the game he did not play against Saginaw) or 52%. Interestingly, Ahmuty only ran 8 of 31 in the game Hill did not play, or 26%.

Not trying to get in one of the war of words that I read so often on this board, but think the facts back up my concern that there is an over-reliance on Hill rushing the ball. In my opinion a better balance would be in the 25-40% range. I realize there are differences based on matchups, opponents, game situation, etc. . . but the numbers seem to be a bit out fo balance.

As to the Riley Dodge question . . . an interesting point and I thought I should check the numbers to once again see if my perceptions were off base or I was just being unfair to our current play calling . . . if you are still reading this mess, here are the numbers I found from 2007 (once again MaxPreps data . . . couldn't find data from FWST back that far):

Dodge ran 104 of 331 Dragon rushes or 32% (did not include Abilene game as it was not posted for some reason but he only played 1 qtr before injury so probably not a big distortion)

We passed right at 50% of the time in 2007 (once again excluding Abilene as noted above), but have thrown only 44% of the plays in 2011.

Enough from me on this . . I'll let everybody draw their own conclusions. I can't believe I wasted this much time on this. The bottom line is the Dragons are providing much joy right now . . . going to sit back and enjoy the ride. Can't wait for Saturday.

[DragonHeart]

I have never been a fan of Hal's time management ever since the infamous debacle in Texas stadium with KP under center.

However, you must not have seen Hal screaming at the ref for a time out on that drive yesterday. our fans were so loud at that point the ref didn't hear him, and we lost 6 seconds. Hal was livid. It happened twice on that drive and cost us 10+ seconds. I thought the staff prepared them well and did a great job yesterday:notworthy

Fair enough . . I didn't see it . . I was convulsing watching the clock run down.

I am sure that my previous issues with game/clock management are impacting my ability to be balanced on several of these things. On an overall basis, the coaching staff did an outstanding job in game planning for CHILL. The players were pretty solid too. As noted in a few other posts (and I generally am a "reader" not a "poster") I am excited about the current team and possibilities.

[slcdragonfan]

I understand the need to set plays up . . just think we have gotten too reliant on the QB running the ball as a % of the overall offense . . especially in the last few games.

Realizing this is a perception based on watching games, I went out to the internet to see if what I thought I was seeing was actually what was happening . . see below

Last 3 games (when I started pubicly expressing my concern):

Guyer - Hill ran 25 of 34 Dragon rushes
Plano East - Hill ran 33 of 44
Cedar Hill - Hill ran 22 of 43 (beter)
Total - Hill ran 80 of 121 or about 67%

During the whole season (mainly based on MaxPreps data but close to FW Star Telegram #s also), Hill has run 198 out of 385 (excluding the game he did not play against Saginaw) or 52%. Interestingly, Ahmuty only ran 8 of 31 in the game Hill did not play, or 26%.

Not trying to get in one of the war of words that I read so often on this board, but think the facts back up my concern that there is an over-reliance on Hill rushing the ball. In my opinion a better balance would be in the 25-40% range. I realize there are differences based on matchups, opponents, game situation, etc. . . but the numbers seem to be a bit out fo balance.

As to the Riley Dodge question . . . an interesting point and I thought I should check the numbers to once again see if my perceptions were off base or I was just being unfair to our current play calling . . . if you are still reading this mess, here are the numbers I found from 2007 (once again MaxPreps data . . . couldn't find data from FWST back that far):

Dodge ran 104 of 331 Dragon rushes or 32% (did not include Abilene game as it was not posted for some reason but he only played 1 qtr before injury so probably not a big distortion)

We passed right at 50% of the time in 2007 (once again excluding Abilene as noted above), but have thrown only 44% of the plays in 2011.

Enough from me on this . . I'll let everybody draw their own conclusions. I can't believe I wasted this much time on this. The bottom line is the Dragons are providing much joy right now . . . going to sit back and enjoy the ride. Can't wait for Saturday.

I think we all get your excellent point. And, if we had continued that way, stopping KHILL would stop SLC. But, you must recall, we have had our starting 4 RB's out for one reason or another this season. The two we seem to have finalized on are both sophomores. I think we are slowly integrating them into the game plan and we will continue to see KHILL rushing plays go down while their plays go up. Did you see that AJ got over 100 yards??? :D

That is a hidden element to this team that others have not seen yet, we do have two good young backs who are learning and getting better game by game. The only issue is, as the games get bigger, the competition gets tougher, and we have to be somewhat concerned about their decision-making and hanging onto the ball.

No complaints here for any aspect of that game. Coaching, gameplan, execution, players dedication, this was as good as I have seen our Dragons in a long time.:notworthy:notworthy to all.

[dragonpants]

I understand the need to set plays up . . just think we have gotten too reliant on the QB running the ball as a % of the overall offense . . especially in the last few games.

Realizing this is a perception based on watching games, I went out to the internet to see if what I thought I was seeing was actually what was happening . . see below

Last 3 games (when I started pubicly expressing my concern):

Guyer - Hill ran 25 of 34 Dragon rushes
Plano East - Hill ran 33 of 44
Cedar Hill - Hill ran 22 of 43 (beter)
Total - Hill ran 80 of 121 or about 67%

During the whole season (mainly based on MaxPreps data but close to FW Star Telegram #s also), Hill has run 198 out of 385 (excluding the game he did not play against Saginaw) or 52%. Interestingly, Ahmuty only ran 8 of 31 in the game Hill did not play, or 26%.

Not trying to get in one of the war of words that I read so often on this board, but think the facts back up my concern that there is an over-reliance on Hill rushing the ball. In my opinion a better balance would be in the 25-40% range. I realize there are differences based on matchups, opponents, game situation, etc. . . but the numbers seem to be a bit out fo balance.

As to the Riley Dodge question . . . an interesting point and I thought I should check the numbers to once again see if my perceptions were off base or I was just being unfair to our current play calling . . . if you are still reading this mess, here are the numbers I found from 2007 (once again MaxPreps data . . . couldn't find data from FWST back that far):

Dodge ran 104 of 331 Dragon rushes or 32% (did not include Abilene game as it was not posted for some reason but he only played 1 qtr before injury so probably not a big distortion)

We passed right at 50% of the time in 2007 (once again excluding Abilene as noted above), but have thrown only 44% of the plays in 2011.

Enough from me on this . . I'll let everybody draw their own conclusions. I can't believe I wasted this much time on this. The bottom line is the Dragons are providing much joy right now . . . going to sit back and enjoy the ride. Can't wait for Saturday.

Not disagreeing with you at all. Yesterday was much better. Against East I was furious as he was obviously hurt. I agree he runs too much but was happy to see AJ get yards and carries yesterday. 2006 and 07 are tough comparisons as we had Tre and 3 DI offensive O linemen.
So comparing the two teams even though I brought it up is apples and oranges.
I think we need to get more creative in the passing game in terms of routes and dink and dunk some more. There are so many times our slot guys are given 10 -15 cushions or uncovered entirely in a zone when the safety is supposed to cover the deep route or come over the top to help with the outside guys. Even if we are against a team that can close quickly we can gain 4-6 yards with high percentage low risk passes. The defense will have to adjust their scheme and that will open up both the long routes but more importantly will loosen up the LB's so our running game will be more effective.
It was good to see AJ getting the ball out of the backfield as we can surprise teams with that since we have not done it much and it is always delayed so you cannot come up with a designed scheme for that one play as it would screw up everything else for them.

[dragnmom]

And now for something completely different: while our football team was busy decimating CHill....our boys and girls XC teams swept the Nike South Invitational in Bear Creek Park in Houston. They will be moving on to the National meet in Portland, on December 3. :notworthy:yes::heli:
http://www.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php?do=title&title_id=191&event_id=304

[E-Vol-ution]

Oh my oh my, can you ask for a better day than this, get to the stadium for a little tailgate action. Hang out with the Trojan fans and watch them beat Martin. Leave the game go immediately to Boomerjacks(if you want to save a few bucks, go to Groupon) grab some lunch and some Dragon go go juice and then back to the Stadium for a Dragons game...... woo hooo... a perfect perfect day..........I will get my father in law to start praying for the weather now..............Wow. Plenty of Milk Thistle this week to stabilize the liver. :D

Compare it to a Jerryworld game. It is farther away in and out of seats a pain in the butt, expensive food, I do not have to listen to Allen fans obsess about their big ole band and get dirty looks because we did not vacate after their game, I will probably get to meet Evol finally.

Absolutely........you guys have my number right?
My contact list got wiped out.

[Prep Ticket]

Pics from yesterday's game, enjoy!

http://www.prepticket.com/articles/detail/DallasFW/high-school/southlake--carroll--texas--hs/Area-Round-Gallery---Southlake-Carroll-vs-Cedar-Hill

[Draco1]

. . just think we have gotten too reliant on the QB running the ball as a % of the overall offense

Last 3 games (when I started pubicly expressing my concern):

Guyer - Hill ran 25 of 34 Dragon rushes scored 2 rushing TDs
Plano East - Hill ran 33 of 44 scored 1 rushing TD
Cedar Hill - Hill ran 22 of 43 (beter) scored 2 rushing TDs
Total - Hill ran 80 of 121 or about 67%

During the whole season (mainly based on MaxPreps data but close to FW Star Telegram #s also), Hill has run 198 out of 385 (excluding the game he did not play against Saginaw) or 52%. Hill has also scored more rushing TDs than all other players combined.

Interestingly, Ahmuty only ran 8 of 31 in the game Hill did not play, or 26%. Interestingly, Ahmuty ran the ball more times than our excellent RB Bergmark in this game. Odd when you consider Ahmuty's average per carry is 2.56 yds. vs Bergmark's average of 6.38 yds.

Not trying to get in one of the war of words that I read so often on this board, but think the facts back up my concern that there is an over-reliance on Hill rushing the ball. I think we can reasonably state our opinions, even if they differ.

As to the Riley Dodge question . . .
Dodge ran 104 of 331 Dragon rushes or 32% (did not include Abilene game as it was not posted for some reason but he only played 1 qtr before injury so probably not a big distortion) We passed right at 50% of the time in 2007 (once again excluding Abilene as noted above), but have thrown only 44% of the plays in 2011. Dodge didn't need to run the ball very often as he had Tre' Newton to handle that duty. Dragons also had 3 D1 offensive linemen. Not a knock against our current RBs or o-line all of whom are excellent players that have continued to develop.

Enough from me on this . . I'll let everybody draw their own conclusions. I can't believe I wasted this much time on this. Thank you for your time. The bottom line is the Dragons are providing much joy right now . . . going to sit back and enjoy the ride. Can't wait for Saturday.

Many posters expressed their displeasure that the Dragons won several games by a slim margin. The outcome of those games may well have been very different were it not for the effective running of KH:

SLC 38 Copperas Cove 31 - KH scored winning TD in the final 3 minutes

SLC 28 Fossil Ridge 26 - KH scored 2 of the 3 TDs in this game

SLC 26 Keller 21 - KH scored the only 2 rushing TDs in this game

SLC 20 Berkner 10 - KH scored 1 of the 2 TDs in the game

Bergmark averages 6.38 yds per carry, KH averages 5.28 yds per carry, Ezzard averages 4.54 yds per carry, Ahmuty averages 2.56 yds per carry. I would think this accounts for the coaches' play calling.

I for one have enjoyed watching this team continue to improve and find ways to win each time. While none of the games ever can or will be perfect, I found it easy to support and believe in this team the entire season. Go Dragons!:heli:

[yankee]

Easy there!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look at the potential road ahead. Bowie who smacked us around last time we played them, Trinity, Desoto/Skyline and then the state game.

Let's just enjoy this one focus on Bowie, have some fun watching practice Thursday morning and watch our boys near by at Pennington.

That matters as much as Carroll's record vs. sloppell when we were trying to predict that game.

Bowie is good, no doubt. 3 losses though...I remember E-vol hyping them up non-stop and playing the no respect card before the season started like it was his job and then they lose 3 games.

Should be interesting come Saturday.

[SLC13]

I understand the need to set plays up . . just think we have gotten too reliant on the QB running the ball as a % of the overall offense . . especially in the last few games.

Realizing this is a perception based on watching games, I went out to the internet to see if what I thought I was seeing was actually what was happening . . see below

Last 3 games (when I started pubicly expressing my concern):

Guyer - Hill ran 25 of 34 Dragon rushes
Plano East - Hill ran 33 of 44
Cedar Hill - Hill ran 22 of 43 (beter)
Total - Hill ran 80 of 121 or about 67%

During the whole season (mainly based on MaxPreps data but close to FW Star Telegram #s also), Hill has run 198 out of 385 (excluding the game he did not play against Saginaw) or 52%. Interestingly, Ahmuty only ran 8 of 31 in the game Hill did not play, or 26%.

Not trying to get in one of the war of words that I read so often on this board, but think the facts back up my concern that there is an over-reliance on Hill rushing the ball. In my opinion a better balance would be in the 25-40% range. I realize there are differences based on matchups, opponents, game situation, etc. . . but the numbers seem to be a bit out fo balance.

As to the Riley Dodge question . . . an interesting point and I thought I should check the numbers to once again see if my perceptions were off base or I was just being unfair to our current play calling . . . if you are still reading this mess, here are the numbers I found from 2007 (once again MaxPreps data . . . couldn't find data from FWST back that far):

Dodge ran 104 of 331 Dragon rushes or 32% (did not include Abilene game as it was not posted for some reason but he only played 1 qtr before injury so probably not a big distortion)

We passed right at 50% of the time in 2007 (once again excluding Abilene as noted above), but have thrown only 44% of the plays in 2011.

Enough from me on this . . I'll let everybody draw their own conclusions. I can't believe I wasted this much time on this. The bottom line is the Dragons are providing much joy right now . . . going to sit back and enjoy the ride. Can't wait for Saturday.

DH......I don't think there is any disagreement with your point that that it would be nice if KH didn't have to run as much as he has had to this year. But the unsettled RB situation that we have faced this year has caused the coaching staff to use KH often to keep our attack balanced.

That said, I do disagree with your comparison to Riley Dodge or any other SLC QB in the 5A era. None have had to deal with the RB situation that KH has this year. As was pointed out, Riley Dodge had Tre Newton lined up next to him for every game he started except for two that Newton missed due to injury. If you want to make comparisons, then use one of the games RD was dealing with a similar situation to KH.

In the most noteworthy of those, the '07 FM PO game, RD had probably the greatest individual performance of his career. On that night RD carried the ball 31 times for 204 yds while also throwing for 356 yds. The Dragon's as a team had 38 total carries, so RD carried the ball 82% of the time that evening.

One last point, you'll find better, more reliable stats on the HS Gametime (DMN) website. They have team stats and boxscores for DFW teams going back to 2001.

[E-Vol-ution]

That matters as much as Carroll's record vs. sloppell when we were trying to predict that game.

Bowie is good, no doubt. 3 losses though...I remember E-vol hyping them up non-stop and playing the no respect card before the season started like it was his job and then they lose 3 games.

Should be interesting come Saturday.

Nope.......I never complained about anything ranking related or lack of respect from others. Perhaps I would have in the past years but I know playoff time is shut up time.....a ranking won't cover somebody's butt. We didn't deserve to be highly ranked because due to injuries it wasn't shown on the field.
The only time I ever complained was about Bowie's coaching staff and the fact they needed to step up.
The Lamar loss offended me and many others.
I can take a loss, but we'd better look good trying.
I said from the start of the season, I didn't care who Bowie played......I liked Bowie's chances against anybody, bar none.
Still feel that way......I've seen what I needed to see.
Everybody is getting action and we don't go in slowdown mode when we get an early lead. That kills momentum.
The offense is better coordinated.:D We're on the same page.

I wasn't just hyping up this group early in the season.......been doing it since I joined the website and they were freshmen.

[powerofthehaka]

Vernon vs Carroll in '92 comes to mind immediately.:heli:

I have a copy of that game tape. Coach L loaned it to me earlier this year. Maybe I should return it?

[dragonpants]

That matters as much as Carroll's record vs. sloppell when we were trying to predict that game.

Bowie is good, no doubt. 3 losses though...I remember E-vol hyping them up non-stop and playing the no respect card before the season started like it was his job and then they lose 3 games.

Should be interesting come Saturday.

Just pointing out that we were looking past them the last time because we had just beaten Allen so we cannot take them lightly.

[drgnbkr]

Just pointing out that we were looking past them the last time because we had just beaten Allen so we cannot take them lightly.

Bowie was almost always taken lightly...BP...Before Perry.:p

[DrEdward]

I have a copy of that game tape. Coach L loaned it to me earlier this year. Maybe I should return it?

I still get nervous every time I watch that tape.

The scenes showing the size of the crowd overflowing the stands, twenty deep along the sidelines and end zones is just great stuff. The two teams this weekend will be fortunate if they can come close to the attendance generated by those two 3A teams, ranked #1 and #2 in the state then. I think the attendance at that game is still the record for Pennington, as the local fire marshal sort of went ballistic from the size of the crowd and clamped down (understandably) subsequently.

[drgnbkr]

I still get nervous every time I watch that tape.

The scenes showing the size of the crowd overflowing the stands, twenty deep along the sidelines and end zones is just great stuff. The two teams this weekend will be fortunate if they can come close to the attendance generated by those two 3A teams, ranked #1 and #2 in the state then. I think the attendance at that game is still the record for Pennington, as the local fire marshal sort of went ballistic from the size of the crowd and clamped down (understandably) subsequently.

Believe it or not, that was my first Carroll game...I've been addicted ever since...:p

[SLCDad]

I still get nervous every time I watch that tape.

The scenes showing the size of the crowd overflowing the stands, twenty deep along the sidelines and end zones is just great stuff. The two teams this weekend will be fortunate if they can come close to the attendance generated by those two 3A teams, ranked #1 and #2 in the state then. I think the attendance at that game is still the record for Pennington, as the local fire marshal sort of went ballistic from the size of the crowd and clamped down (understandably) subsequently.

Great memories. We showed up 20 minutes before kick-off thinking we could get a seat in that "huge" stadium. As it was, we sat on the sidelines. I was literally 15 feet away from Dexter Butler when he fumbled at the Carroll 5 yard line. Wow.

[DrEdward]

As I recall, Horns Illustrated called the Vernon-Carroll game in 1992, the greatest high school football game played in Texas and not just for 1992. (That would have been somewhere around 2001 or 2002.) Whether or not that is true really doesn't matter, it was truly an experience.

If you are a Carroll fan and have never seen that game, then make it a point to go find a copy of the game and see it for yourself.

[SLC13]

Believe it or not, that was my first Carroll game...I've been addicted ever since...:p

Mine too.....I had started my job here, but the family hadn't moved down from Ohio yet. I had heard so much about the local team that I decided to go to a game and picked that one......What an experience for my first TX HS football game!!

[DrEdward]

Finally found the girls basketball results from Saturday. While the boys were wrapping up a second round football win against CHill, the girls were in Canyon, Texas managing to win yet another basketball game against the host school at their tournament. I think that takes the Lady Dragons to 7-0 thus far this season.

[DragonFan0316]

Finally found the girls basketball results from Saturday. While the boys were wrapping up a second round football win against CHill, the girls were in Canyon, Texas managing to win yet another basketball game against the host school at their tournament. I think that takes the Lady Dragons to 7-0 thus far this season.

Our women's basketball coach is meaner than 9 acres of garlic. She expects nothing but winning. Go lady dragons!!

[DragonFan0316]

Anyone know how we landed at Pennington? Was there a toss? Did we ever have a shot at a Dragon stadium game?

[slcdragonfan]

Anyone know how we landed at Pennington? Was there a toss? Did we ever have a shot at a Dragon stadium game?

mebbe payback for the ET/Coppell game last year @ Dragon stadium? Just speculation...

[SLCbandmom]

I'm already having nightmares about traffic getting out of the first game and getting in for ours. I know they're going to clear the stadium between games, but will they also clear the parking lot? Or will it be possible to come into the lot early and tailgate (or just wait in our cars) till the gates open?

[DrEdward]

Anyone know how we landed at Pennington? Was there a toss? Did we ever have a shot at a Dragon stadium game?

Doubt there was any realistic shot at Dragon Stadium, but aside from the lighting, Pennington is a decent alternative. To me the biggest drawback with Trinity there before us, is that the parking might get really messy. If Trinity game doesn't end until around 3:00pm, getting people out of their lots and our crowd in for a 5:00pm start might be a traffic nightmare. Arriving early might only make it worse!!

[DragonFan0316]

Doubt there was any realistic shot at Dragon Stadium, but aside from the lighting, Pennington is a decent alternative. To me the biggest drawback with Trinity there before us, is that the parking might get really messy. If Trinity game doesn't end until around 3:00pm, getting people out of their lots and our crowd in for a 5:00pm start might be a traffic nightmare. Arriving early might only make it worse!!

The more we learn about this the better. If anyone talks to our people at the Booster Club meeting tonight it would be appreciated if they can relay to the board. I would like to attend both games but don't want to have to move my car. I would pay them $10 to park right off for that privilege.

[powerofthehaka]

I'm already having nightmares about traffic getting out of the first game and getting in for ours. I know they're going to clear the stadium between games, but will they also clear the parking lot? Or will it be possible to come into the lot early and tailgate (or just wait in our cars) till the gates open?

I'll PM you a way to avoid most of it.

[DragonFan0316]

I'll PM you a way to avoid most of it.

Me too please.

[drgnbkr]

I'll PM you a way to avoid most of it.

Me 2?

[slcdragonfan]

WE should get buses.

[DrEdward]

The more we learn about this the better. If anyone talks to our people at the Booster Club meeting tonight it would be appreciated if they can relay to the board. I would like to attend both games but don't want to have to move my car. I would pay them $10 to park right off for that privilege.

I don't believe they will attempt to clear the parking lot between games, just the stadium. The only reason for doing that is the division of revenues among the teams. Unlike the case at Cowboys Stadium where each school basically got 1/8th of the gate revenues (after the UIL gets their cut off the top), it appears that for this weekend, each team will get 1/2 the revenues from is individual game (with the above caveat).

[DrEdward]

I'll PM you a way to avoid most of it.

AAAGH! :eek:

[E-Vol-ution]

Anyone know how we landed at Pennington? Was there a toss? Did we ever have a shot at a Dragon stadium game?

I definitely wondered about this........Bowie hasn't ever played there to my knowledge.....maybe Coach Perry did when he was at Haltom?

[powerofthehaka]

Me 2?

I could post it here, but then I would have to kill everyone.:D

[E-Vol-ution]

I'll PM you a way to avoid most of it.

spread the knowledge Bro.........:D

[DrEdward]

I could post it here, but then I would have to kill everyone.:D

Don't post it; the folks at Pennington have not figured it our for over twenty years now. If you post it, they may read it. :(

[powerofthehaka]

Don't post it; the folks at Pennington have not figured it our for over twenty years now. If you post it, they may read it. :(

PM'ed so many of the Dragon Fans that the regular way might be better now.:D

[drgnbkr]

PM'ed so many of the Dragon Fans that the regular way might be better now.:D

We'll just all pull over and "Occupy" Bedford/Euless...:p

[DragonFan0316]

Game with Bowie can't get here quick enough. Go Dragons.

[SLC93]

I still get nervous every time I watch that tape.

The scenes showing the size of the crowd overflowing the stands, twenty deep along the sidelines and end zones is just great stuff. The two teams this weekend will be fortunate if they can come close to the attendance generated by those two 3A teams, ranked #1 and #2 in the state then. I think the attendance at that game is still the record for Pennington, as the local fire marshal sort of went ballistic from the size of the crowd and clamped down (understandably) subsequently.

All bias aside, that was the greatest game I have ever been associated with at the hs level, be it as a player or a fan.

[SLC93]

Believe it or not, that was my first Carroll game...I've been addicted ever since...:p

Mine too.....I had started my job here, but the family hadn't moved down from Ohio yet. I had heard so much about the local team that I decided to go to a game and picked that one......What an experience for my first TX HS football game!!

Wow! I can't imagine that game being the introduction to the program. No wonder y'all got hooked!

[DrEdward]

Believe it or not, there was a basketball game Tuesday evening at Carroll. the Lady Dragons took on North Crowley and won by a score of 66-43 to remain undefeated on the season.

I understand the Carroll boys lost to Plano West this evening at West; not sure of the score, but the margin was around 10.

[Southlakehawk]

per SLC athletic department, They are about sold out of their ticket allotment for the Bowie game. SLC was given 3500 tickets.

[DragonHeart]

DH......I don't think there is any disagreement with your point that that it would be nice if KH didn't have to run as much as he has had to this year. But the unsettled RB situation that we have faced this year has caused the coaching staff to use KH often to keep our attack balanced.

That said, I do disagree with your comparison to Riley Dodge or any other SLC QB in the 5A era. None have had to deal with the RB situation that KH has this year. As was pointed out, Riley Dodge had Tre Newton lined up next to him for every game he started except for two that Newton missed due to injury. If you want to make comparisons, then use one of the games RD was dealing with a similar situation to KH.

In the most noteworthy of those, the '07 FM PO game, RD had probably the greatest individual performance of his career. On that night RD carried the ball 31 times for 204 yds while also throwing for 356 yds. The Dragon's as a team had 38 total carries, so RD carried the ball 82% of the time that evening.

One last point, you'll find better, more reliable stats on the HS Gametime (DMN) website. They have team stats and boxscores for DFW teams going back to 2001.

Just for the record, the Riley Dodge bit was a response to Dragonpants' comment "No one ever got crazy when Riley ran a lot, however we were deeper at QB then." I thought it was a good point, so I went back to check some stats to see if my perceptions were obscuring the facts.

Also, I think larger sample sizes are more meaningful than any one or 2 games which could be influenced by matchups, injuries, etc. Over 12 games I think a trend can be seen. I don't have the time to look up all the stats, but this has been an issue for me since all the running of Pyland a few years back . . was it in 2008 in the Cedar Hill loss when when we kept running the same play over and over for little to no gain . . several 3 and outs in a row in the 2nd half . . . our defense just get worn out.

Anyway, my preference is we find more balance in our play calling.

By the way, thanks for the info on the DMN website . . . I will check it out.

[dragnmom]

Hey DMN had a story on importance of reliable kickers @ high school level, and mentioned Drew Brown. One thing they noted is that the local schools that remain in the hunt all have good kickers. Interestingly while the article focusses on the kickers from Arlington .....in the table of the side bar (in actual paper, and $ content versions).....Drew Brown leads the group in Field Goals.:notworthy

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/high-schools/football-news/headlines/20111123-reliable-kickers-though-rare-are-valuable-weapons-in-high-school-football.ece

[slcdragonfan]

Hey DMN had a story on importance of reliable kickers @ high school level, and mentioned Drew Brown. One thing they noted is that the local schools that remain in the hunt all have good kickers. Interestingly while the article focusses on the kickers from Arlington .....in the table of the side bar (in actual paper, and $ content versions).....Drew Brown leads the group in Field Goals.:notworthy

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/high-schools/football-news/headlines/20111123-reliable-kickers-though-rare-are-valuable-weapons-in-high-school-football.ece

Good stuff mom, thx! Unfortunately, can't read because not a paid subscriber. Anyone know if the thanksgiving practice will be at Dragon stadium or at the indoor facility? I know several who would like to go and support the boys. @8:30, right?

[toonman]

Fair enough . . I didn't see it . . I was convulsing watching the clock run down.

I am sure that my previous issues with game/clock management are impacting my ability to be balanced on several of these things. On an overall basis, the coaching staff did an outstanding job in game planning for CHILL. The players were pretty solid too. As noted in a few other posts (and I generally am a "reader" not a "poster") I am excited about the current team and possibilities.
I have been one of Hal's greatest critics, especially with the under-center/use of time of time outs in 2007 and subsequent games the following season, which ended against Bowie I hasten to add.

But last season I saw a vast improvement, so I have given Hal the benefit of the doubt since. I am sure the regular posters have noticed that I have not been a vitriolic this season. I am still not sure if the Dragons are 12-0 because of Hal or despite Hal.

I thought that the win over Cedar Hill was superbly scripted, so Hal should receive credit. Cedar Hill were supposedly a good team; who were evidently very one dimensional, who had nothing to offer once the running game became a fruitless endeavor; as Cedar Hill had no passing game whatsoever.

We owe Bowie one; so I think the Dragons gain revenge for the SMU loss.

[yankee]

Good stuff mom, thx! Unfortunately, can't read because not a paid subscriber. Anyone know if the thanksgiving practice will be at Dragon stadium or at the indoor facility? I know several who would like to go and support the boys. @8:30, right?

8:30 at DS. See you guys there!

[dragonpants]

I have been one of Hal's greatest critics, especially with the under-center/use of time of time outs in 2007 and subsequent games the following season, which ended against Bowie I hasten to add.

But last season I saw a vast improvement, so I have given Hal the benefit of the doubt since. I am sure the regular posters have noticed that I have not been a vitriolic this season. I am still not sure if the Dragons are 12-0 because of Hal or despite Hal.

I thought that the win over Cedar Hill was superbly scripted, so Hal should receive credit. Cedar Hill were supposedly a good team; who were evidently very one dimensional, who had nothing to offer once the running game became a fruitless endeavor; as Cedar Hill had no passing game whatsoever.

We owe Bowie one; so I think the Dragons gain revenge for the SMU loss.

I know that Hal has given more control to the coordinators during the game. I have no clue what the dynamic is for game planning during the week but obviously it is his decision. This season or at least at the end of the season and the playoffs he is not involved in the play calling as far as I can tell. CG is in the booth and calls them down to two coaches who signal them in. Cannot tell how involved he is in the conversation but with the speed in which we call plays I do not think there is much of a committee discussion.
He has always let the DC do their thing as he is more of an offense guy, bad english but offensive could have sounded badly.

[DrEdward]

To all the Carroll fans, well actually to all the 5ATexas Board, have a delightful Thanksgiving with your family. For the Carroll fans, I'll see some of you Thursday morning at the Turkey Bowl. We all have a great deal to be thankful for this year at Carroll, so remember to give a special thank you for all the many blessings we have been given and for all the young men and young ladies we cheer for.

[SLC13]

Just for the record, the Riley Dodge bit was a response to Dragonpants' comment "No one ever got crazy when Riley ran a lot, however we were deeper at QB then." I thought it was a good point, so I went back to check some stats to see if my perceptions were obscuring the facts.

Also, I think larger sample sizes are more meaningful than any one or 2 games which could be influenced by matchups, injuries, etc. Over 12 games I think a trend can be seen. I don't have the time to look up all the stats, but this has been an issue for me since all the running of Pyland a few years back . . was it in 2008 in the Cedar Hill loss when when we kept running the same play over and over for little to no gain . . several 3 and outs in a row in the 2nd half . . . our defense just get worn out.

Anyway, my preference is we find more balance in our play calling.

By the way, thanks for the info on the DMN website . . . I will check it out.

I agree a larger comparative sample is better, but that was part of my point. Any comparison of this year to the RD years is absurd, because RD had Tre' Newton as the primary rushing weapon for virtually every game.

I think most everyone agree that we want more balance. We're you happy with the KH & AJ splitting the 41 carries against CH or is that still too much for you??

IMO, A better question about play calling would be why is it that we only throw to two of our WR's?? In our best years we seemed to spread the catches around much more evenly than this year.

[dragnmom]

To all the Carroll fans, well actually to all the 5ATexas Board, have a delightful Thanksgiving with your family. For the Carroll fans, I'll see some of you Thursday morning at the Turkey Bowl. We all have a great deal to be thankful for this year at Carroll, so remember to give a special thank you for all the many blessings we have been given and for all the young men and young ladies we cheer for.

+1 I wish happiness and health to all - we have so very much to be thankful for.:)

[CCCSportsFan]

To all the Carroll fans, well actually to all the 5ATexas Board, have a delightful Thanksgiving with your family. For the Carroll fans, I'll see some of you Thursday morning at the Turkey Bowl. We all have a great deal to be thankful for this year at Carroll, so remember to give a special thank you for all the many blessings we have been given and for all the young men and young ladies we cheer for.

Right back at you Doc and thanks for your awesome support and love for all things Dragon. The kids, fans and community are blessed to have the group of folks that make up our Dragon council :yes:

Happy Thanksgiving to the entire Dragon Nation :)

[SLC13]

+1 I wish happiness and health to all - we have so very much to be thankful for.:)

+1......couldn't have said it better!!

[DragonHeart]

I agree a larger comparative sample is better, but that was part of my point. Any comparison of this year to the RD years is absurd, because RD had Tre' Newton as the primary rushing weapon for virtually every game.

I think most everyone agree that we want more balance. We're you happy with the KH & AJ splitting the 41 carries against CH or is that still too much for you??

IMO, A better question about play calling would be why is it that we only throw to two of our WR's?? In our best years we seemed to spread the catches around much more evenly than this year.

My preference would be around 1/3, but 50/50 is certainly much better than 2/3. I just don't want to wear KH out or subject him to higher chance of injury than is necessary. He is a horse, though. Like to see us continue to develop the young RBs. We look to be in good shape for a few years to come.

Agree with your point on the WR . . . would love to see the ball spread around a little more . . when I was looking at the 2007 stats the list of WR with catches each game was much longer than the current edition.

I guess the bottom line is they are winning and kudos to the coaching staff for the improvement and the fact they are playing their best football in the playoffs. This has given this Dragon fan even more to be thankful for this Thanksgiving.

By the way, watched much of the practice today and they looked sharp . . can't wait for Saturday . . . Go Dragons.

[DragonFan0316]

I got to Dragon stadium today late and have no tickets. Anyone with information about tickets at Pennington please message me. Are they selling today?

[DrEdward]

I got to Dragon stadium today late and have no tickets. Anyone with information about tickets at Pennington please message me. Are they selling today?

I think they are stlll selling tickets for the Carroll game until 3:30 this afternoon at Pennington.

[slcdragonfan]

I got to Dragon stadium today late and have no tickets. Anyone with information about tickets at Pennington please message me. Are they selling today?

Their site says until 3:30, but that is only for the ET game I believe. I don't think they are selling SLC/Bowie tickets in advance there.

Also, I heard they were closing @ 12:30 today so I go there @ around 12:00 to buy. Might want to call the office before going.

Here is what their website had to say:

Who Trinity Trojans vs Martin Warriors
What Regional Semifinals
When Saturday, November 26, 2011, 12 noon
Where Pennington Field, Bedford, Texas
Tickets Presale available at Pennington Mon-Wed 8:30-4:30, Fri 8:30-3pm
Adults $8, Students $5
At the gate
All tickets $10
General parking is free. $5 preferred parking opens at 9am. Stadium gates open at 10am.
Internet Facebook
Twitter
Pressbox Services
Broadcast Will be posted when it is available.
Misc Info As the home team, the sun will be facing us. It is highly advised that you where a hat, sunglasses and plenty of sunscreen to prevent windburn and sunburn.

[GoDragons]

:yes:

[GoDragons]

Do any of ya'll have a link for said video? I haven't made it to any home games this year, so I'm curious as to what it looks like.

Here is the clip they played at last week's playoff game - they also played a version of this during the regular season at all the home games during pre-game festivites.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150452587292246

[dragnmom]

Along with the winds - the temps are dropping. Perfect for Playoff football! Bundle up y'all.....And

Go
Dragons
Go!!!!!
:heli: :heli: :heli:

[DragonFan0316]

OMG!!! How 'bout them Dragons!!! DDDDDDFense. Anyone know who plays before us at SMU next week please PM me.

[DragonHeart]

Great game Dragons . . . got to admit I was pretty discouraged in the first half. Have to give serious props to the coaching staff for the half time adjustments and to the team for executing them. Something definitely changed. :notworthy

Also, very impressed with the decision to go for the 4th down play at the end of the game . . . think it was the right decision given the situation and the way the 2nd half had played out. Took courage to make that call though. :yes:

Kudos to the Dragon fans for showing up in miserable weather and being heard . . . we need to show this type of support all the time even against say . . Saginaw . . ;)

And for my prior rants on KH running . . . haven't looked at the stats but couldn't have won this game without him shouldering a big load again.

Looking forward to next week . . . don't think it is going to get any easier . . and another outside venue . . . hopefully, less wind.

Congrats, Dragons . . . you made us all proud.

[GoDragons]

And all we do is "WIN, WIN, WIN" no matter what.....:yes:

Keep it going guys....would never imagined this at the beginning of our season. WOW!

[toonman]

Great game Dragons . . . got to admit I was pretty discouraged in the first half. Have to give serious props to the coaching staff for the half time adjustments and to the team for executing them. Something definitely changed. :notworthy

Also, very impressed with the decision to go for the 4th down play at the end of the game . . . think it was the right decision given the situation and the way the 2nd half had played out. Took courage to make that call though. :yes:

Kudos to the Dragon fans for showing up in miserable weather and being heard . . . we need to show this type of support all the time even against say . . Saginaw . . ;)

And for my prior rants on KH running . . . haven't looked at the stats but couldn't have won this game without him shouldering a big load again.

Looking forward to next week . . . don't think it is going to get any easier . . and another outside venue . . . hopefully, less wind.

Congrats, Dragons . . . you made us all proud.

I agree with much of what you have written; especially the first half where I have never seen so many dropped passes and missed tackles in an entire game by the Dragons, let alone a single half.

I agree that a lot of credit goes to the coaching staff, to make the changes they did and to turn around a 17-point hole. That score just before half time is a huge turning point in the game.

I too agree with going for it on 4th down and having the ball placed on the 3-yard line for Bowie to start. Yes that was a brave call to make.

I was also too, very pleased with the Dragon support and disappointed at the poor Bowie support.

[DragonFan0316]

Thought I read that our QB ran for 79 yards. He was right on in the passing game as well. Dropped passes hurt in first half and the defense needed to get it's bearings. It is assignment football and when you jump off your assignment to try to make a big play, you can get burned as a unit. All of that foolishness ended at half time. I saw Martin play and they are big and fast. Balanced offense and good run defense. They were never tested by the pass so I don't know about that. At this point we can beat anyone in the state if we execute.

The wind didn't really bother us. I did see on replay that it slowed our first TD pass. Outdoors again next week. Go Dragons!

[DrEdward]

DRAGON FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS
5A DIVISION I REGION FINALS
SMU GERALD FORD STADIUM



Opponent: Arlington Martin Warriors

Kickoff: 6:00pm, Saturday, Dec. 3rd


Tickets: Pre-Game Adults $8.00, Pre-Game Students $6.00.
All tickets at SMU on Dec. 3 will be $12.00

Pre-Game Ticket Sales:

@ CSHS/CHS
Wednesday and Thursday, 8:00am - 3:00pm
Friday 8:00am-1:00pm

@ DRAGON STADIUM
Wednesday and Thursday, 8:00am - 4:00pm
Friday 8:00am-2:00pm

[DragonFan0316]

DRAGON FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS
5A DIVISION I REGION FINALS
SMU GERALD FORD STADIUM



Opponent: Arlington Martin Warriors

Kickoff: 6:00pm, Saturday, Dec. 3rd


Tickets: Pre-Game Adults $8.00, Pre-Game Students $6.00.
All tickets at SMU on Dec. 3 will be $12.00

Pre-Game Ticket Sales:

@ CSHS/CHS
Wednesday and Thursday, 8:00am - 3:00pm
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Friday 8:00am-2:00pm





Doc, can you help with the weather? According to Coach O, no game before ours and no possibility of us moving the game up.:mad:Good thing this only bothers the fans and not the kids.:yes:

[DrEdward]

Doc, can you help with the weather? According to Coach O, no game before ours and no possibility of us moving the game up.:mad:Good thing this only bothers the fans and not the kids.:yes:

Sure. We can move the whole thing to the Indoor facility on campus at Carroll and simply play half court. Stick a few bleachers along the sidelines as we did for the ESPN thing last winter and raise the price to make up for lack of crowd size. Stick a few HDTVs in the parking lot on the side of the Indoor and we can have the football equivalent of a drive in movie! We could probably get some mobile food carts and sell sushi and bbq between the aisles of cars in the lots. We could even rent out the coaching offices with views of the field as private suites, a la Jerry World for the game. Weather problem solved.

With no game before ours, I have no idea why we are waiting for evening and colder temperatures, especially since if we could play in the afternoon, I could then watch the VT- Clemson game live. :mad:

[dragonpants]

Sure. We can move the whole thing to the Indoor facility on campus at Carroll and simply play half court. Stick a few bleachers along the sidelines as we did for the ESPN thing last winter and raise the price to make up for lack of crowd size. Stick a few HDTVs in the parking lot on the side of the Indoor and we can have the football equivalent of a drive in movie! We could probably get some mobile food carts and sell sushi and bbq between the aisles of cars in the lots. We could even rent out the coaching offices with views of the field as private suites, a la Jerry World for the game. Weather problem solved.

With no game before ours, I have no idea why we are waiting for evening and colder temperatures, especially since if we could play in the afternoon, I could then watch the VT- Clemson game live. :mad:

Army/Navy not until the following week. I would be happy to have to DVR it. :D

[yankee]

'Pants brought it up in the Bowie thread, but does anyone know if Jeff Miller has any football offers on the table? He'd make a heckuva D1 linebacker if you ask me. Kinda like how Bryce Saldi was essentially a college LB playing an undersized DE in high school, though I think Miller is bigger than Saldi was. I thought I remember someone saying he was getting looked at by Stanford and Notre Dame prior to the season, but I could be wrong.

Speaking of Saldi, anyone know how he's doing? Last update on his CaringBridge site was in July and it said he was back at home and improving, which is wonderful to hear. Hope he's getting better.

[toonman]

Sure. .....With no game before ours, I have no idea why we are waiting for evening and colder temperatures, especially since if we could play in the afternoon, I could then watch the VT- Clemson game live. :mad:

I cannot understand the 'late' start as well. Why not noon or 1.00pm and like you there is a certain game in Oklahoma kicking off at 7.00pm that I want to watch live.

[DrEdward]

Mixed bag this evening. The Carroll girls defeated Marcus tonight at Carroll, even with less than stellar first and third quarters shooting. The boys played Plano tonight, but lost in the last three seconds by a single point 51 - 50.

[DragonFan0316]

Looks like layers and rain gear for the game. Little to no wind would help. Girls BB is for real.

[slcdragonfan]

EXCUPULAR HAS BEEN STOLEN! Probably some Martin fan snuck down there and snatched it up. ;)

I am looking for a Dragon stadium cup to overnight to ktCarl so we can maintain our luck. If you know how I can get one let me know.....I may have to contact the concessions person....

I have gotten very superstitious this season....

[GoDragons]

Community Pep Rally
Thursday, December 1st
5:15 Gather / 5:30 pm Pep Rally (immediately after practice)
Dragon Stadium - Home Side

Bring Noisemakers and lots of spirit!!!
An autograph time for Football Trading Cards

Let's Support Dragon Football
as they prepare for State Quarter-Finals against Arlington Martin!

GO DRAGONS!!

EVERYONE PLEASE COME OUT IF YOU ARE IN TOWN!!!

[5thQtrPerformance]

'Pants brought it up in the Bowie thread, but does anyone know if Jeff Miller has any football offers on the table? He'd make a heckuva D1 linebacker if you ask me. Kinda like how Bryce Saldi was essentially a college LB playing an undersized DE in high school, though I think Miller is bigger than Saldi was. I thought I remember someone saying he was getting looked at by Stanford and Notre Dame prior to the season, but I could be wrong.
.

No official offers yet that I know of. He's had a number of Ivy League schools show interest. We've sent out some communication to contacts in local programs in hopes of helping him land something close to home. He's bigger and faster now than many of the local D1 program's committed LBs.

As long as he keeps performing at a high level these next few weeks he'll land somewhere, he just got a late start.

[DragonFan0316]

We should have a bonfire in the parking lot tonight. Need all the mojo we can get.:yes:

[yankee]

No official offers yet that I know of. He's had a number of Ivy League schools show interest. We've sent out some communication to contacts in local programs in hopes of helping him land something close to home. He's bigger and faster now than many of the local D1 program's committed LBs.

As long as he keeps performing at a high level these next few weeks he'll land somewhere, he just got a late start.

Thanks for the info! :notworthy

[DragonFan0316]

One day closer. Go Dragons. We are close enough to the championship we can smell it. I remember the aroma. It is very sweet!! Beat Martin.

[PaPaDragon]

One day closer. Go Dragons. We are close enough to the championship we can smell it. I remember the aroma. It is very sweet!! Beat Martin.

Let's Go Dragon!!!

We are very proud of you guys.

You have set the tone in our house and my boys can't wait to play on friday night and experience what you guys are experiencing now.

You are Protecting the Tradition!!!

[DragonFan0316]

What would we do to play one more week? Let's ask this question in the first half this week. My heart isn't up for many more 17 point comebacks. Win and move on.

[papaw]

I've asked this question before without an answer. You have a very talented kicker that has committed to TCU. He kicked a 60yd. FG earlier this year and disappeared. I do understand that you have a talented Jr. kicker that is doing a pretty good job. Anybody care to fill me in with the real story?

Papaw

[DragonFan0316]

I've asked this question before without an answer. You have a very talented kicker that has committed to TCU. He kicked a 60yd. FG earlier this year and disappeared. I do understand that you have a talented Jr. kicker that is doing a pretty good job. Anybody care to fill me in with the real story?

Papaw

I am under the impression that Drew Brown has done all place kicking other than kick offs. I am not aware of any 60 yard field goals made for us since Garrett Hartley early this century.

[drgnbkr]

I am under the impression that Drew Brown has done all place kicking other than kick offs. I am not aware of any 60 yard field goals made for us since Garrett Hartley early this century.

I think he's referring to Martin's kicker.

[papaw]

I'm sorry. I misread the thread heading. This was for the Martin folks.
Papaw

[DragonFan0316]

Coach likes this one too:

Now this is the Law of the Jungle — as old and as true as the sky; And the Wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the Wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk the Law runneth forward and back —
For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.

Go Dragons!!

[dragons08]

I was listening to Double T earlier (our Tech station/ESPN station here in Lubbock), and heard the boys basketball team is out in Lubbock this weekend. I believe they have tip-off here shortly in the semi-finals. If they win tonight, they play tomorrow afternoon at 2:30 I believe it is, for the tourney championship, if it's a L, they'll play at 11??, for 3rd place game.

[SLC93]

For those of us that go way back, congratulations are in order for a former, Dragon coach. Jeff Dixon has the Alvarado Indians playing for a state title next week! Great job, coach!

[cougmantx]

Good luck to the Dragon faithful today! Will be listening to the game. :notworthy

[dragons08]

Carroll boys won last night and will play for the tourney championship today out here in Lubbock.

[drgnbkr]

Good luck to the Dragon faithful today! Will be listening to the game. :notworthy

Still have time to run up and sit in the rain with us!:p

[cougmantx]

Still have time to run up and sit in the rain with us!:p

Wish I could. Setting here working. :(

[slcdragonfan]

Good luck to the Dragon faithful today! Will be listening to the game. :notworthy

THANKS! We are severly handicapped however, ktCarl had his Dragon cup stolen and I could not get one to him in time for the game. :mad:

[SLCbandmom]

THANKS! We are severly handicapped however, ktCarl had his Dragon cup stolen and I could not get one to him in time for the game. :mad:

No problem. I am wearing my lucky socks AND my lucky shirt. We're covered.

Safe travels to all!

[DrEdward]

Carroll boys won last night and will play for the tourney championship today out here in Lubbock.

Thanks.

The Carroll girls are playing in the Bishop Lynch Tournament; Thursday evening, they defeated Greenhill Academy, last evening the Carroll girls downed Ursuline; they are now playing their host for the championship.

[chhspantherfan]

Great tribute to Bryce Saldi at Sr day at TCU. Very special for him. You guys would be very proud of the Frogs for this

[dragons08]

Thanks.

The Carroll girls are playing in the Bishop Lynch Tournament; Thursday evening, they defeated Greenhill Academy, last evening the Carroll girls downed Ursuline; they are now playing their host for the championship.

I'm trying to find the score of the final, but we just got the internets out here in West Texas, so people are slow at updating websites.

[DragonDad2015]

Is the game being broadcast?

[the_phoenix612]

Is the game being broadcast?

The game is being broadcast on AM 660 KSKY. Website is www.ksky.com and the listen live button is on the top menu bar.

[CCCSportsFan]

Congrats Dragons on an awesome win over Martin! I couldn't be there tonight due to a sports commitment with my youngest, but listened on the radio!!

Absolutely great job guys, go get Skyline!

[drgnbkr]

31-14 Dragons! 0 points allowed in the 2nd half for the 2nd straight week. Awesome job by the defense again and really good job by the offense considering the wet ball and conditions. As Kenny Hill said, he had " a lot of time" in the pocket. Final 4 for the first time since 06!

[DrEdward]

I'm trying to find the score of the final, but we just got the internets out here in West Texas, so people are slow at updating websites.

To top off a pretty good day for the Dragons, it would seem that the girls won the Bishop Lynch Tournament by defeating the host team and the boys enjoyed a similar level of success out in Lubbock to win their tournament as well.

[slcdragonfan]

What a great game! Coaching staff, take a bow. Excellent!

Players, especially D, you stood up and took this game. Special teams as well. Just too many players to mention, but TEAMme is still in place.

All of us are very proud of what you have accomplished this year. Now, lets take on Skyline!

[toonman]

What a great game! Coaching staff, take a bow. Excellent!

Players, especially D, you stood up and took this game. Special teams as well. Just too many players to mention, but TEAMme is still in place.

All of us are very proud of what you have accomplished this year. Now, lets take on Skyline!

I agree. This is the furthest Hal has ever taken a team at any level in the play-offs. Great job Hal, great job coaching staff, great job players. A truly magnificent performance today; as you keep the magical season alive. As I said this is 2002 all over again.

[dragnmom]

To top off a pretty good day for the Dragons, it would seem that the girls won the Bishop Lynch Tournament by defeating the host team and the boys enjoyed a similar level of success out in Lubbock to win their tournament as well.

Two more - In Oregon, XC Boys took 2nd, girls took 7th in the Nike National XC Invitational yesterday! :yes:

[toonman]

I believe that the win over Arlington Martin was the Dragon's 90th all time play-off win, which I also believe is a Texas State Record, surpassing Odessa Permian and Plano. I am sure one of my more knowledgable fellow posters will correct me if I have this wrong.

[dragonpants]

I believe that the win over Arlington Martin was the Dragon's 90th all time play-off win, which I also believe is a Texas State Record, surpassing Odessa Permian and Plano. I am sure one of my more knowledgable fellow posters will correct me if I have this wrong.

Love your signature. I am not anti Aggie or anything like that but what they hell are they/were they thinking?

Sorry back to the Dragons.
I think what Hal has done this year is amazing. What I have seen is that is has turned over game decisions to his coordinators. His brother is an amazing coordinator. What our defense does is highly highly complex and the ability to make adjustments is something we have seen before even under Mendoza. I was talking to slcdragonfan about that this morning. I would love to see film from last nights game because some of the players making tackles behind the line of scrimmage shocked me. The offside safety making tackles behind the line of scrimmage off tackle away from him, genius. There is no way to scheme that from an offensive perspective because you are not going to see it every play. That is college level defensive scheming and it is so fun to watch. Effective zone blitzes and whatever we have been doing at half time is juts lights out. While I hope the best for Tim Wasson, I think there are enough HC openings here locally that this may be the last year we have him here. That will be a huge loss. He is a great defensive mind and I for one was skeptical when he was named DC here. I am glad I was wrong. :D

[kjones003]

What a great evening out in the rain... I am still stunned at the Defensive progression throughout this year.

As an aside.. my 5 year old and I are happy inside watching some TV staying nice and warm and not going outside today after 3 hours in it last night ha ha..

[E-Vol-ution]

You guys are on a heck of a roll......good luck the rest of the way.:notworthy

[dragonbuck]

Love your signature. I am not anti Aggie or anything like that but what they hell are they/were they thinking?

Sorry back to the Dragons.
I think what Hal has done this year is amazing. What I have seen is that is has turned over game decisions to his coordinators. His brother is an amazing coordinator. What our defense does is highly highly complex and the ability to make adjustments is something we have seen before even under Mendoza. I was talking to slcdragonfan about that this morning. I would love to see film from last nights game because some of the players making tackles behind the line of scrimmage shocked me. The offside safety making tackles behind the line of scrimmage off tackle away from him, genius. There is no way to scheme that from an offensive perspective because you are not going to see it every play. That is college level defensive scheming and it is so fun to watch. Effective zone blitzes and whatever we have been doing at half time is juts lights out. While I hope the best for Tim Wasson, I think there are enough HC openings here locally that this may be the last year we have him here. That will be a huge loss. He is a great defensive mind and I for one was skeptical when he was named DC here. I am glad I was wrong. :D

Great point Pants; however, that very point may be why T. Wasson may not leave. Not sure many programs have the training, brains, discipline to learn and believe in such a complex system. not taking anything away from other programs, but this D has a pretty high football (and otherwise) IQ. It brokedown on that pass to the RB, but those breakdowns were few and far between. Our defensive speed is best in years also, making all of this backside pursuit possible. what a change from earlier in the year when we just were hanging on in the 2nd halves. Now our D is dominating, and our O is scoring to close out games. Impressive.

[drgnbkr]

Again, 3 straight 2nd half shutouts and outscoring the opponents 59-8 in the second half for the playoffs....Great stuff for the D. Hard to deal with when you add in the balanced offense.

[rwilleby]

Congrats SLC... This Katy fan will be pulling for you to win it all!

[drgnbkr]

Two more - In Oregon, XC Boys took 2nd, girls took 7th in the Nike National XC Invitational yesterday! :yes:

The story:
CBA, Zeinasellassie finish fast for NXN titles
December, 4, 2011

By Doug Binder



But it was the team race between CBA (Lincroft XC) and worthy contender Southlake Carroll TX that produced the most dramatic moments of the entire meet – a frenzied final kilometer and a four-point victory (95-91) for CBA and legendary coach Tom Heath.

“This is the biggest moment in CBA cross,” Heath said. “It’s an incredible achievement.”

It was all the more incredible for how it played out over 5,000 meters of semi-squishy terrain. The Texans rolled the dice and went out fast from the gun, hurtling themselves to the front of the pack early. At the 1-kilometer split, Southlake Carroll was up on CBA 38 to 120.

“We knew we had to get out that first 400 and to be in the top pack if we had a chance of winning this,” Carroll’s Jordan Chavez said. “We knew from past experiences here that if you don’t get in that front pack it’s going to be tough to pass throughout the race.”

Getting out fast is a workable theory with a lot of merit, but it also has consequences.

With each passing kilometer, CBA kept getting closer. The score was 64-111 at 2K and 92-106 at 3K. Southlake Carroll had an 85-101 advantage at 4,000 meters.

CBA’s mission all along was to remain a bit more conservative early and close with a rush late. That strategy worked. Knowing that their team was trailing George Kelly, Jack Boyle and Tim Gorman rallied and picked up valuable points.

And the difference in the teams’ No. 3s was the most revealing. Gorman closed in 3:01.10 over the final 1,000 meters and finished 36th overall in 15:54.46. Southlake Carroll’s No. 3, Alexander Johansson, closed in 3:09.06 to finish 47th in 15:59.16.

“We told them in the first K to get out, and they did pretty well, but not as well as Carroll did,” Heath said. “After the moguls there’s a good patch where they can really move. And from there it was a battle.”

CBA’s cumulative time of 79:58 was one second faster than Southlake Carroll’s.

The fastest mover early on was Nick Ryan of Fayetteville-Manlius NY, who had seven seconds on the entire field after the first split. Ryan’s gambit at the front was intended to inspire his team and create a sense of shock among the leaders.

Ryan held up pretty well. He finished fifth overall and was the only runner in the top 19 who was connected to team. Fayetteville-Manlius finished 12th, however.

Zeinasellassie, a senior from North Central of Indiana, remained calm and controlled. He pulled up alongside Ryan before the 3K mark and then moved past him. And then he surged and left everyone behind him.

Zeinasellassie ran the third kilometer almost 10 seconds faster than anyone else in the race (3:16.42) and the fourth kilometer eight seconds faster than anyone else.

The winner made a point of thanking his coach, his teammates and his parents before moving into questions about his race and the challenge of facing Cheserek next week for the first time.

“When I caught up to (Ryan) I had a good lead on the pack I didn’t want to slow down so I just picked it up and kept going,” he said.

Zeinasellassie, who was born in Eritrea, won the NXN Midwest and Foot Locker Midwest regionals with measured efforts, knowing that he had to run more times than Cheserek before their eventual showdown.

As he was going over the final set of hay bales, he realized that he was in range of Craig Lutz’s course record and so he pushed himself to go after it.

He now has a chance to match Lukas Verzbicas’ historic NXN-Foot Locker double in 2010.

“I wanted to relax as much as I could and I was hoping for an easy win but it wasn’t,” Zeinasellassie said. “I went all out but winning this race has given me a lot of confidence. I’ve still got one more, but I’ve got one in my bag. I’ve won a national race.”

Also finishing strong were Texan individual qualifiers Daniel Vertiz (15:26.4) and Craig Nowak (15:26.7), who were second and third overall. Both of them are doubling back to San Diego next week also and both felt good about the way they finished. Nowak (2:52.04) ran the fastest fifth kilometer and Vertiz (2:53.95) was second-fastest.

Izaic Yorks of Lakes WA also had a strong kick and placed fourth (15:29.9), three spots ahead of the in-state rival who had beaten him three times in the past month, Kamiakin WA's Anthony Armstrong (15:31.4).

Jonah Diaz of Palos Verdes CA was sixth and Jake Leingang of Bismarck NC was eighth. Rapid City SD's Tony Smoragiewicz, the top returning finisher from 2010, was 11th.

Beyond CBA and Southlake Carroll – the third and fourth teams in NXN history to score less than 100 points – Davis UT finished third (157) and Arcadia CA was fourth (184). The 5-8 spots were separated by just six points: At-large qualifier Palatine IL was fifth (255), American Fork UT was sixth (256), North Central WA was seventh (259) and Arrowhead WI was eighth (261).

[dragonbuck]

WOW. 2nd place by only 1 second. that is only 2/10ths of second per man. what a battle. 1 of 4 teams to finish the NXN with less than 100 points. Super effort and year Dragons:heli::heli::heli:

[SLCbacker]

Dragon fans, while you're sitting at home staying warm and drying out from last nights victory, I thought I would share with you a video highlight of some young Dragons that will be lighting it up on Friday nights in the near future. This is the video highlight of Freshman QB Ryan Agnew (Allen fans remember the name, because it was his older brother Justin that made the OT stop on Matt Brown in `09 Dragon victory). Also noteworthy, is one of Agnew's favorite targets is named Fentriss. Enjoy!

http://youtu.be/f4yUaCw0pr4

[drgnbkr]

Dragon fans, while you're sitting at home staying warm and drying out from last nights victory, I thought I would share with you a video highlight of some young Dragons that will be lighting it up on Friday nights in the near future. This is the video highlight of Freshman QB Ryan Agnew (Allen fans remember the name, because it was his older brother Justin that made the OT stop on Matt Brown in `09 Dragon victory). Also noteworthy, is one of Agnew's favorite targets is named Fentriss. Enjoy!

http://youtu.be/f4yUaCw0pr4

The family tree is deeply rooted in Southlake...Thank God for all the move-ins....20 years ago!:D

[GoDragons]

I know this is a week old...but thought you might enjoy these highlights from the Bowie win! I am sure they will have some new ones up soon from last nights game.

I gotta good feeling.......


http://vimeo.com/32886979

ENJOY! :D

[Memorial76]

Dragon fans, while you're sitting at home staying warm and drying out from last nights victory, I thought I would share with you a video highlight of some young Dragons that will be lighting it up on Friday nights in the near future. This is the video highlight of Freshman QB Ryan Agnew (Allen fans remember the name, because it was his older brother Justin that made the OT stop on Matt Brown in `09 Dragon victory). Also noteworthy, is one of Agnew's favorite targets is named Fentriss. Enjoy!

http://youtu.be/f4yUaCw0pr4

Amazing

[DrEdward]

For next Saturday's game at SMU, it looks like Carroll fans will have to migrate to the east side of Ford, as we will be the visiting team against Skyline.

[slcdragonfan]

Dragon fans, while you're sitting at home staying warm and drying out from last nights victory, I thought I would share with you a video highlight of some young Dragons that will be lighting it up on Friday nights in the near future. This is the video highlight of Freshman QB Ryan Agnew (Allen fans remember the name, because it was his older brother Justin that made the OT stop on Matt Brown in `09 Dragon victory). Also noteworthy, is one of Agnew's favorite targets is named Fentriss. Enjoy!

http://youtu.be/f4yUaCw0pr4

Boy was that enjoyable. thanks!

[slcdragonfan]

I know this is a week old...but thought you might enjoy these highlights from the Bowie win! I am sure they will have some new ones up soon from last nights game.

I gotta good feeling.......


http://vimeo.com/32886979

ENJOY! :D

Nicely done, I especially appreciate the Defensive focus, those boys are making us proud.

[yankee]

Dragon fans, while you're sitting at home staying warm and drying out from last nights victory, I thought I would share with you a video highlight of some young Dragons that will be lighting it up on Friday nights in the near future. This is the video highlight of Freshman QB Ryan Agnew (Allen fans remember the name, because it was his older brother Justin that made the OT stop on Matt Brown in `09 Dragon victory). Also noteworthy, is one of Agnew's favorite targets is named Fentriss. Enjoy!

http://youtu.be/f4yUaCw0pr4

That kid is going to be a star. Wow!

I know this is a week old...but thought you might enjoy these highlights from the Bowie win! I am sure they will have
some new ones up soon from last nights game.

I gotta good feeling.......

http://vimeo.com/32886979

ENJOY! :D

Thank you for sharing!! I miss the OurGreatCity highlights like crazy and it was nice to see some Dragon footage. How 'bout them Dragons?!?!

[dragonpants]

Dragon fans, while you're sitting at home staying warm and drying out from last nights victory, I thought I would share with you a video highlight of some young Dragons that will be lighting it up on Friday nights in the near future. This is the video highlight of Freshman QB Ryan Agnew (Allen fans remember the name, because it was his older brother Justin that made the OT stop on Matt Brown in `09 Dragon victory). Also noteworthy, is one of Agnew's favorite targets is named Fentriss. Enjoy!

http://youtu.be/f4yUaCw0pr4

We need to get some genetic testing done on that family and start cloning the DNA, I do not think that is a UIL violation. :D
This will be the third Agnew that is an amazing athlete. I think we are set at QB for a little while. No wonder we had a few QB's transfer to private schools the past couple of years.

[dragonpants]

That kid is going to be a star. Wow!



Thank you for sharing!! I miss the OurGreatCity highlights like crazy and it was nice to see some Dragon footage. How 'bout them Dragons?!?!

I think we could have given Oklahoma State a better game yesterday......oooops was that out loud...sorry. :D

[dragonpants]

For next Saturday's game at SMU, it looks like Carroll fans will have to migrate to the east side of Ford, as we will be the visiting team against Skyline.

Looks like green shoes for me this week. :D
Probably a good thing I do not know if my other ones will be dried out by then.

[dragnmom]

The story:
CBA, Zeinasellassie finish fast for NXN titles
December, 4, 2011

By Doug Binder



But it was the team race between CBA (Lincroft XC) and worthy contender Southlake Carroll TX that produced the most dramatic moments of the entire meet – a frenzied final kilometer and a four-point victory (95-91) for CBA and legendary coach Tom Heath.


CBA’s cumulative time of 79:58 was one second faster than Southlake Carroll’s.

Beyond CBA and Southlake Carroll – the third and fourth teams in NXN history to score less than 100 points – Davis UT finished third (157) and Arcadia CA was fourth (184). The 5-8 spots were separated by just six points: At-large qualifier Palatine IL was fifth (255), American Fork UT was sixth (256), North Central WA was seventh (259) and Arrowhead WI was eighth (261).

Wow! I had no idea! That will be pretty much of a motivator for next year. Congrats to our XC runners on an amazing season!:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[GreenSoxNation]

This will be the third Agnew that is an amazing athlete. I think we are set at QB for a little while. No wonder we had a few QB's transfer to private schools the past couple of years.

I count four Agnew boys. Older three all played football at the next level (Air Force, Rice, and Drake).

Freshman class has a lot of potential as long as outside forces don't alter things as the next few years could be fun to follow. I had a conversation with a dad discussing the possibility of the freshman team scoring more points than total offensive plays. The future looks bright. There was good QB play at the JV level as well...

[DrEdward]

An Agnew playing on the offensive side of the ball and a Jacobson on the defensive side is just confusing. At least we have a Brown still kicking the thing. :cool:

[CCCSportsFan]

We need to get some genetic testing done on that family and start cloning the DNA, I do not think that is a UIL violation. :D
This will be the third Agnew that is an amazing athlete. I think we are set at QB for a little while. No wonder we had a few QB's transfer to private schools the past couple of years.

He will be the 4th; Michael, Joseph, Justin and now Ryan :yes:

[drgnbkr]

An Agnew playing on the offensive side of the ball and a Jacobson on the defensive side is just confusing. At least we have a Brown still kicking the thing. :cool:

Need Dragonsdaddy to get busy again!:D

[ktCarl]

Need Dragonsdaddy to get busy again!:D

I sent slcdragonfan a photo of my new Dragon cup by Droid. He should forward it to you guys. :D

[dragonpants]

To top off a pretty good day for the Dragons, it would seem that the girls won the Bishop Lynch Tournament by defeating the host team and the boys enjoyed a similar level of success out in Lubbock to win their tournament as well.

The boys team will play in the NBA developmental tournament next week at Marcus........ouch.

[dragonpants]

I sent slcdragonfan a photo of my new Dragon cup by Droid. He should forward it to you guys. :D

It is quite extraordinary. :rolleyes:
Thanks for the support but we are doing our best to get you a better one.

[slcdragonfan]

It is quite extraordinary. :rolleyes:
Thanks for the support but we are doing our best to get you a better one.

I'm kinda liking it. If I can get my Droid to stop acting stupid after the wet game on Sat, I'll have it set up this evening as my avatar...

[dragonsdaddy]

#6 has started his journey toward adulthood with these 2 beautiful little girls. grandparenting is pretty grand

[drgnbkr]

#6 has started his journey toward adulthood with these 2 beautiful little girls. grandparenting is pretty grand

Awesome stuff Doc! Congratulations! Those are Alex's, right? I enjoy my 4 year old Grandson every day...

[dragonsdaddy]

Awesome stuff Doc! Congratulations! Those are Alex's, right? I enjoy my 4 year old Grandson every day...

no alex was #7. andrew's. alivia and brooklyn-2 mo next week.

[drgnbkr]

no alex was #7. andrew's. alivia and brooklyn-2 mo next week.

Well congratulations! They're beautiful!

[DrEdward]

#6 has started his journey toward adulthood with these 2 beautiful little girls. grandparenting is pretty grand

Very cool sir.

[SLC13]

Much has been written about the defensive improvement of this team over the course of the season. It has been visually and statistically obvious to anyone that has watched our games. We have praised the coaches and team for various adjustments that have helped us to win individual games, but when I think back about the season, we may have missed the biggest adjustment/decision made all year.

If you go back to week 2, we were fresh off victories over Cove and Bell. The Dragon offense was averaging 41.5PPG and 503YPG and we were talking about “the return of Dodge ball” and how great it was to see the up tempo, no-huddle offense run at that pace again. The problem was the defense was more reminiscent of Flower Mound than SLC, giving up 533.5YPG. :eek: The D had to spend lots of time on the field and gave up plenty of yards. The only defensive bright spot was their ability to make stops in the red zone.

I think that about this time the coaches decided that this team couldn’t go very far using the old formula and started to modify the game planning to control the ball more while the defense was developing. The decision may have been fairly easy to make because it moved towards Hal’s natural conservative tendency, but it certainly was fraught with the risk that close games might be lost and the team wouldn’t accept it. (ie. Coppell)

Injuries to the RB’s and OL certainly complicated the process causing many games to be closer than they might have been otherwise, but no one can argue with the end results. The Dragon defense that we see now is considered a strength of team giving up 200YPG less. It is my contention that a portion of the improvement is a direct result of the decision to move to a more ball control oriented offense, while the defense developed and improved.

Thoughts/Comments..........

[QQQ]

Much has been written about the defensive improvement of this team over the course of the season. It has been visually and statistically obvious to anyone that has watched our games. We have praised the coaches and team for various adjustments that have helped us to win individual games, but when I think back about the season, we may have missed the biggest adjustment/decision made all year.

If you go back to week 2, we were fresh off victories over Cove and Bell. The Dragon offense was averaging 41.5PPG and 503YPG and we were talking about “the return of Dodge ball” and how great it was to see the up tempo, no-huddle offense run at that pace again. The problem was the defense was more reminiscent of Flower Mound than SLC, giving up 533.5YPG. :eek: The D had to spend lots of time on the field and gave up plenty of yards. The only defensive bright spot was their ability to make stops in the red zone.

I think that about this time the coaches decided that this team couldn’t go very far using the old formula and started to modify the game planning to control the ball more while the defense was developing. The decision may have been fairly easy to make because it moved towards Hal’s natural conservative tendency, but it certainly was fraught with the risk that close games might be lost and the team wouldn’t accept it. (ie. Coppell)

Injuries to the RB’s and OL certainly complicated the process causing many games to be closer than they might have been otherwise, but no one can argue with the end results. The Dragon defense that we see now is considered a strength of team giving up 200YPG less. It is my contention that a portion of the improvement is a direct result of the decision to move to a more ball control oriented offense, while the defense developed and improved.

Thoughts/Comments..........

Not sure..... following games Keller & KFR ballgames were way too close for comfort....

The most compelling aspect from Oct 1 to now....... progressive development of the offensive line & the defense simply "controlling" games.

[yankee]

Daxx Garman is transferring from Arizona.

[drgnbkr]

Daxx Garman is transferring from Arizona.

He and Mat Brown both gone...I guess Daxx didn't like Richrod or vice versa?

[dragnmom]

Daxx Garman is transferring from Arizona.

Transfering from Arizona to???????

[yankee]

He and Mat Brown both gone...I guess Daxx didn't like Richrod or vice versa?

To my knowledge, Brown de-committed before ever going to Zona and wound up at TCU instead. Not sure of the reasons behind the transfer but Daxx never struck me as a running type. ;)


Transfering from Arizona to???????

No word yet, I believe.

[dragnmom]

Much has been written about the defensive improvement of this team over the course of the season. It has been visually and statistically obvious to anyone that has watched our games. We have praised the coaches and team for various adjustments that have helped us to win individual games, but when I think back about the season, we may have missed the biggest adjustment/decision made all year.

If you go back to week 2, we were fresh off victories over Cove and Bell. The Dragon offense was averaging 41.5PPG and 503YPG and we were talking about “the return of Dodge ball” and how great it was to see the up tempo, no-huddle offense run at that pace again. The problem was the defense was more reminiscent of Flower Mound than SLC, giving up 533.5YPG. :eek: The D had to spend lots of time on the field and gave up plenty of yards. The only defensive bright spot was their ability to make stops in the red zone.

I think that about this time the coaches decided that this team couldn’t go very far using the old formula and started to modify the game planning to control the ball more while the defense was developing. The decision may have been fairly easy to make because it moved towards Hal’s natural conservative tendency, but it certainly was fraught with the risk that close games might be lost and the team wouldn’t accept it. (ie. Coppell)

Injuries to the RB’s and OL certainly complicated the process causing many games to be closer than they might have been otherwise, but no one can argue with the end results. The Dragon defense that we see now is considered a strength of team giving up 200YPG less. It is my contention that a portion of the improvement is a direct result of the decision to move to a more ball control oriented offense, while the defense developed and improved.

Thoughts/Comments..........

I think you may be onto something - Obviously, if you can keep the defense off the field, they have less opportunity to give up points, and have more of a chance to play at full strngth when they are on the field.

However, wasn't there a significant shift in the defense as well (like from 4-3 to 3-4 or 5-2 or diamond?) I might be wrong, hw, my understanding is that Tim W has implemented a more complex defensive scheme that is more reminiscent of College-style D - and that this was also a work in progress over the season as the kids learned it?

[Southlakehawk]

Not sure..... following games Keller & KFR ballgames were way too close for comfort....

The most compelling aspect from Oct 1 to now....... progressive development of the offensive line & the defense simply "controlling" games.

Truly is amazing how this team has turned it since the Saginaw game. After the half games(Berkner, Keller, Fossil Ridge, Central) I don't know if anybody foresaw this playoff run coming. After the Guyer game, I felt better about their chances. The Guyer game IMO, was the first complete game the team played against a quality opponent.

[dragonpants]

I think you may be onto something - Obviously, if you can keep the defense off the field, they have less opportunity to give up points, and have more of a chance to play at full strngth when they are on the field.

However, wasn't there a significant shift in the defense as well (like from 4-3 to 3-4 or 5-2 or diamond?) I might be wrong, hw, my understanding is that Tim W has implemented a more complex defensive scheme that is more reminiscent of College-style D - and that this was also a work in progress over the season as the kids learned it?

Good questions and is exactly why we should have a class for people that want to know more about football. I will do my best. We moved from a 4-3 to a 3-4 last season when Tim was promoted to DC. Neither is more of a college defense than the other. Many colleges and teams in the NFL play either or both. Both can be made as simple or complex as you would like, that is where the DC and the position coaches come into play as they can make as complicated as the kids will allow with their ability and knowledge.
A 3-4 has always been more beneficial to Carroll(IMO) as we have undersized DL year in and year out and very good DE's and very good linebackers so it fits us better have 4 LB's as opposed to 3. In relation to the 5-2 which is an old school defense that you will not see at the 5A level is made to stop the run. 5 defensive linemen and 2 LB's normally in the middle. A 3-4 can be morphed into a 5-2 which you have seen the past couple of weeks in obvious running situations and formations that do not need two outside linebackers to cover receivers. You bring down the 2 OLB's to the line of scrimmage and it looks like a 5-2. The diamond is an offensive set we used a couple of times in one game where the QB has 3 RB's with him in a diamond formation with the QB at the bottom of the diamond.

[dragnmom]

Good questions and is exactly why we should have a class for people that want to know more about football. I will do my best. We moved from a 4-3 to a 3-4 last season when Tim was promoted to DC. Neither is more of a college defense than the other. Many colleges and teams in the NFL play either or both. Both can be made as simple or complex as you would like, that is where the DC and the coordinators come into play and they can make as complicated as the kids will allow with their ability and knowledge.
A 3-4 has always been more beneficial to Carroll as we have undersized DL year in and year out and very good DE's and very good linebackers so it fits us better have 4 LB's as opposed to 3. In relation to the 5-2 which is an old school defense that you will not see at the 5A level is made to stop the run. 5 defensive linemen and 2 LB's normally in the middle. A 3-4 can be morphed into a 5-2 which you have seen the past couple of weeks in obvious running situations and formations that do not need two outside linebackers to cover receivers. You bring down the 2 OLB's to the line of scrimmage and it looks like a 5-2. The diamond is an offensive set we used a couple of times in one game where the QB has 3 RB's with him in a diamond formation with the QB at the bottom of the diamond.

Thanks! :notworthy

[drgnbkr]

To my knowledge, Brown de-committed before ever going to Zona and wound up at TCU instead. Not sure of the reasons behind the transfer but Daxx never struck me as a running type. ;)




No word yet, I believe.

Yeah I saw Brown on the TCU game the other day...Things get shaken up when a new coach comes in...

[ray1301]

Hey SLC historical guys.

This is a question I hope y'all can answer. Has SLC ever played Sealy when SLC was 3A?

If so when and what was the outcome?

[drgnbkr]

Hey SLC historical guys.

This is a question I hope y'all can answer. Has SLC ever played Sealy when SLC was 3A?

If so when and what was the outcome?

I don't believe they ever met.

[ktCarl]

Is this game going to at least be on live streaming video? Please?

[DrEdward]

Hey SLC historical guys.

This is a question I hope y'all can answer. Has SLC ever played Sealy when SLC was 3A?

If so when and what was the outcome?

bkr is correct. Carroll and Sealy never played each other during Carroll's 3A period. Carroll moved to 4A in '94.

[ray1301]

I don't believe they ever met.

Thank you.

[DrEdward]

Had my first opportunity of the season to watch Carroll wrestling's Green squad this evening in a dual meet with Frisco Wakeland at Carroll. The boys won the meet with a score of 45 - 29.

[SLC13]

bkr is correct. Carroll and Sealy never played each other during Carroll's 3A period. Carroll moved to 4A in '94.

Dr E......Was researching the Sealy question and noticed that the Dragon 1A and 2A days had very few PO appearances. Do you happen to know how many HC's the program had b4 Ledbetter??

[Super B]

Dr E......Was researching the Sealy question and noticed that the Dragon 1A and 2A days had very few PO appearances. Do you happen to know how many HC's the program had b4 Ledbetter??
Tom Rapp had a record of 29-17-1. He was between Ledbetter and Dodge.

[SLC13]

Tom Rapp had a record of 29-17-1. He was between Ledbetter and Dodge.
Thanks Super B.......I was here and knew about Tom Rapp.

When I was looking at our 1A & 2A days I noticed that we were pretty ordinary and I know our program started to be successful with the arrival of Bob Ledbetter. I am curious about the HC's of the program from the 1A & 2A years prior to the Ledbetter era. I don't remember ever hearing or reading anything about any of them and thought Dr E might know the history.

[fluffy_bunny]

I believe Coach Ledbetter was the only coach during the 1A and 2A days. We were class B before that.

I may be off a year or so, but I think we moved to 1A in 1979 - that was the year the band won State as 1A, and it was the first time we were ever able to compete at state because we had just moved to 1A (did they do away with class B?)

Anyway - playoffs were harder to come by at that time as only one school per district went to the playoffs - as I recall (being a high school kid in the band at the time - my brain may be a bit fuzzy) the football team did ok, but we could never beat Pilot Point - so they were the school that advanced to the playoffs.

[Gator4ever]

Just wanted to say good luck.

[DrEdward]

Led arrived at Carroll in 1979. There were several coaches, possibly four, prior to his arrival. In some cases, the head football coach was also the Principal, as Carroll was a very small school in '63 when we started playing the game on our brand new 80 yard long football field. I am checking into it and will let you know.

[toonman]

Led arrived at Carroll in 1979. There were several coaches, possibly four, prior to his arrival. In some cases, the head football coach was also the Principal, as Carroll was a very small school in '63 when we started playing the game on our brand new 80 yard long football field. I am checking into it and will let you know.

i posted earlier that the win over Arlington Martin was the Dragon's 90th all time play-off win, which I also believe is a Texas State Record, surpassing Odessa Permian and Plano.

Do I have my facts correct?

[dragonsdaddy]

i posted earlier that the win over Arlington Martin was the Dragon's 90th all time play-off win, which I also believe is a Texas State Record, surpassing Odessa Permian and Plano.

Do I have my facts correct?

our resident stat expert has this info somewhere. i can't believe hp has gone past that number too.

[SLC13]

I believe Coach Ledbetter was the only coach during the 1A and 2A days. We were class B before that.

I may be off a year or so, but I think we moved to 1A in 1979 - that was the year the band won State as 1A, and it was the first time we were ever able to compete at state because we had just moved to 1A (did they do away with class B?)

Anyway - playoffs were harder to come by at that time as only one school per district went to the playoffs - as I recall (being a high school kid in the band at the time - my brain may be a bit fuzzy) the football team did ok, but we could never beat Pilot Point - so they were the school that advanced to the playoffs.

Thanks FB......It does appear from Dr E's note that there were a few coaches prior to Coach Ledbetter's arrival in '79. Also according to WOS87's team history thread, we moved into 1A starting in 1966. Here's a summary of the years in each classification:

Class B...........1963-65
1A.................1966-79
2A.................1980-85
3A.................1986-93
4A.................1994-01
5A.................2002-present

[SLC13]

Led arrived at Carroll in 1979. There were several coaches, possibly four, prior to his arrival. In some cases, the head football coach was also the Principal, as Carroll was a very small school in '63 when we started playing the game on our brand new 80 yard long football field. I am checking into it and will let you know.

Great info........TY!!

[fluffy_bunny]

Maybe it was a band thing. I always thought we moved in 1A in 1979.

But I do definitely remember always losing to Pilot Point!

[SLC13]

Maybe it was a band thing. I always thought we moved in 1A in 1979.

But I do definitely remember always losing to Pilot Point!

Your memory is good......:yes:

There were two constants over the 1A & 2A years, Pilot Point owned us (8-1) and we owned Coppell (17-1).

[DragonFan0316]

Go Dragons

[PaPaDragon]

i posted earlier that the win over Arlington Martin was the Dragon's 90th all time play-off win, which I also believe is a Texas State Record, surpassing Odessa Permian and Plano.

Do I have my facts correct?

I believe that the Martin win was our 93?? Based on the pregame during the season video 89 wins.

Best of luck tomorrow Dragons!!!

[DragonFan0316]

"What are you willing to do to play one more week?"

[slcdragonfan]

"What are you willing to do to play one more week?"

Easy.

I would shave my head and paint it green for the State Championship.:)

Really.

[dragnmom]

"
What are you willing to do to play one more week?!!!!!"

Go Dragons Go!!!

[DrEdward]

Turns out that from 1963 to 1978, Carroll had five individuals serving as head football coaches rather than the four I mentioned earlier; at least two of them were also Carroll High School principal as well.

[dragons08]

Taking a little study break and just thought I'd drop in and check on you old folk. ;)

Make sure ya'll cheer extra loud tomorrow, I'm HOPING that if we pull it out I'll be able to sneak out of Lubbock for a few days and attend the state game. Something tells me I may be coming down with a cold for a few days next week on a Friday-Sunday and be unable to work... So I'm going to try and get all my hours for work knocked out early this week so I'll be able to go to the game with no complaints from management...

[dragons08]

#6 has started his journey toward adulthood with these 2 beautiful little girls. grandparenting is pretty grand

Congrats Doc! Glad to see you and the family doing well.

[dragons08]

I'm kinda liking it. If I can get my Droid to stop acting stupid after the wet game on Sat, I'll have it set up this evening as my avatar...

It may just be Droid acting like a POS if you have Sprint. Ever since the iPhone came to Sprint suddenly my 3g has sucked and service not as good. Probably trying to get Mommy and Daddy D08 to pony up some more doe for the iPhone and the increase in service fees that goes with it...

[dragonpants]

Taking a little study break and just thought I'd drop in and check on you old folk. ;)

Make sure ya'll cheer extra loud tomorrow, I'm HOPING that if we pull it out I'll be able to sneak out of Lubbock for a few days and attend the state game. Something tells me I may be coming down with a cold for a few days next week on a Friday-Sunday and be unable to work... So I'm going to try and get all my hours for work knocked out early this week so I'll be able to go to the game with no complaints from management...

The Man keeping a college boy down, Phoenix should have a remedy. :D

[dragons08]

The Man keeping a college boy down, Phoenix should have a remedy. :D

The Man may be trying his best, but the caffeine is keeping the college boy up for approaching 24 hours here shortly.

[PaPaDragon]

What a GREAT game Dragons!!!!!
You guys played hard and played with your hearts.
Thank you so much!!!!:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[Particleman]

Never say Die!

Congratulations Dragons!!:heli:

[TheBigPeach]

Never say Die!

Congratulations Dragons!!:heli:

Great first post. Welcome to the board! Go Dragons! :notworthy

[SLC93]

Please allow me to get this out. I'm an old Dragon with little to no connection left to the boys that currently comprise this team. I listened to this game from start to finish. I'm not sure I have ever been as moved or as proud of a group of kids as I am of this team. My goodness. Congratulations to everyone of the kids, parents and coaches associated with this group. We'll be there next week cheering each of you on. So happy for y'all!

[dragnmom]

WoW oh Wow~ Epic game....epic season. So proud of the Dragons. Not enough words - you have truly EARNED a trip to state. :notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[Particleman]

Great first post. Welcome to the board! Go Dragons! :notworthy


Thanks. I've actually been lurking for years, just haven't had much to say. THIS ONE was worth a comment!!

[E-Vol-ution]

Those SLC kids just don't want to go home.:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[DragonFan]

E-Vol,

Will you be at JerryWorld next week. I would love to meet you! I have always enjoyed your comments and your football knowledge.

[Steeledug]

Grats to the Dragons, that was amazing:notworthy

[TheBigPeach]

I might be there next week, looking forward to it! Dear God, please let the weather be nice and let my cessna make it all the way. Amen.

[Southlakehawk]

Words can't describe that game. Here's all that comes to mind. HEART + NEVER EVER GIVE UP. If they lose next week, it won't matter because this team is my favorite Dragon team of all time :notworthy

[CCCSportsFan]

2:26 left on the clock and the Dragons are down 10 points... They showed what they would do to play one more week!

I could not be more proud or happy for this great group of kids! Take it all next week guys :notworthy

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/high-schools/football-news/headlines/20111210-silver-fox-swag-animal-runs-on-smu-s-field-after-carroll-s-winning-td.ece

[SLCDad]

The whole Dragon Nation is proud tonight!! Those players deserve more credit than words can describe. What a great example of heart, determination, hard work, team work, and never giving up.

Special congrats to Coach Wasson. After seeing what the team accomplished the last two seasons, it should be clear to everyone that we have one of the finest coaches (and coaching staffs) in Texas. Coach Wasson has handled all of the crap thrown at him with dignity and grace. Hats off to him.

[dragnmom]

Hey - Have an idea for next week: In DMN article re: the fox that ran onto the field during kenny's last touch down, they quoted "Carroll assistant coach, Chase Wasson" who mentioned that his nickname for Coach Wasson is the "Silver Fox" and that they had had a hat made for him - wonder if the Silver Fox restaurant in Grapevine has caps? Might be kind of a fun thing to take forward to this next game?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/high-schools/football-news/headlines/20111210-silver-fox-swag-critter-runs-onto-smu-s-field-after-carroll-s-game-winning-td.ece

[DragonFan0316]

Wow!! Another classic. The Dragons tradition continues!!:notworthy

[Memorial76]

The whole Dragon Nation is proud tonight!! Those players deserve more credit than words can describe. What a great example of heart, determination, hard work, team work, and never giving up.

Special congrats to Coach Wasson. After seeing what the team accomplished the last two seasons, it should be clear to everyone that we have one of the finest coaches (and coaching staffs) in Texas. Coach Wasson has handled all of the crap thrown at him with dignity and grace. Hats off to him.

I agree with this. One more week to go!

[DrEdward]

I am impressed. I've been watching and cheering for Carroll for well over two decades now and I freely admit that when Skyline scored their field goal, I thought the Dragon season was done. Plus it would have been a very good season, beyond my expectations. The boys, and coaching staff fortunately did not feel that way and really played an astounding two minutes of football.

I also admit that I do not quite get why Skyline's coach changed their defensive alignments after their field goal, as they had been effective the entire game in pretty much shutting down the Carroll passing game, especially after Williams was injured. The defensive change really opened up Carroll's short passing game, which in turn opened up some of the running lanes.

Certainly Carroll got a major fortunate bounce back on the on-sides kick. The ball went eleven yard to become a free ball, then with a most fortunate bounce, came back the two yards into Carroll's hands. I would love to think we practiced that very kick, but surely luck played a hand in that one. Yet that still left the boys half a field away. They relied on their abilities and that old Dragon motto "Find a Way to Win." They did just that.

Congratulations to Skyline as well; they played an outstanding game and certainly could have won this contest as well.

I'm tired, just from watching that contest.

[drgnbkr]

I might be there next week, looking forward to it! Dear God, please let the weather be nice and let my cessna make it all the way. Amen.

Don't want you to end up in Lake Ray Hubbard..;)

[drgnbkr]

I am impressed. I've been watching and cheering for Carroll for well over two decades now and I freely admit that when Skyline scored their field goal, I though the Dragon season was done. Plus it would have been a very good season, beyond my expectations. The boys, and coaching staff fortunately did not feel that way and really played an astounding two minutes of football.

I also admit that I do not quite get why Skyline's coach changed their defensive alignments after their field goal, as they had been effective the entire game is pretty much shutting down the Carroll passing game, especially after Williams was injured. The defensive change really opened up Carroll's short passing game, which in turn opened up some of the running lanes.

Certainly Carroll got a major fortunate bounce back on the on-sides kick. The ball went eleven yard to become a free ball, then with a most fortunate bounce, came back the two yards into Carroll's hands. I would love to think we practiced that very kick, but surely luck played a hand in that one. Yet that still left the boys half a field away. They relied on their abilities and that old Dragon motto "Find a Way to Win." They did just that.

Congratulations to Skyline as well; they played an outstanding game and certainly could have won this contest as well.

I'm tired, just from watching that contest.

It might have hit the fox:p

[the_phoenix612]

slcdragonfan, drgnbkr, nice to finally meet you guys. Hopefully I'll get to the Championship Game next weekend early enough that we can have *gasp* a real conversation. That traffic was nuts! I left Southlake at 2:45 and got into my seat (thanks, mike!) at the 6:00 mark of the first quarter :eek:

[slcdragonfan]

Please allow me to get this out. I'm an old Dragon with little to no connection left to the boys that currently comprise this team. I listened to this game from start to finish. I'm not sure I have ever been as moved or as proud of a group of kids as I am of this team. My goodness. Congratulations to everyone of the kids, parents and coaches associated with this group. We'll be there next week cheering each of you on. So happy for y'all!

I can't say it any better than this.

So proud of these Dragons! Coaches and Players!

[slcdragonfan]

slcdragonfan, drgnbkr, nice to finally meet you guys. Hopefully I'll get to the Championship Game next weekend early enough that we can have *gasp* a real conversation. That traffic was nuts! I left Southlake at 2:45 and got into my seat (thanks, mike!) at the 6:00 mark of the first quarter :eek:

The pleasure was all mine.

[SLC13]

I can't say it any better than this.

So proud of these Dragons! Coaches and Players!

Me either........+1

[JagFan]

Congrats to the Dragons and good luck next week.

[chhspantherfan]

Congrats to the Dragons and good luck next week.

that's hard to say.:cool:

But I agree, congratulations Dragons and good luck next week.

A big congratulations to the Wasson and Holmes families. What a tremendous experience for all involved.

Phoenix, sorry I missed you. The uncle in me had a mentoring assignment.

[dragonpants]

that's hard to say.:cool:

But I agree, congratulations Dragons and good luck next week.

A big congratulations to the Wasson and Holmes families. What a tremendous experience for all involved.

Phoenix, sorry I missed you. The uncle in me had a mentoring assignment.

You missed out on some great scotch. :D

[dragonpants]

Holy Crap what a game. I could not bring myself to post as I did not want to answer the sour grapes from some people which can happen as I did not want to get dragged into something negative after a such an amazing game.

What I have been thinking about this morning is PW. Certainly we would not have gotten this far without him and from everything I have heard he is in for some lengthy healing. What a great player and a great kid and my prayers go out to him for a speedy recovery and a great career at the next level.
I wish we could see him play Hightower and he certainly was missed yesterday.
I understand it is part of the game but this kid left it all out on the field every game and I would love to see him play next week.
He will be on the sidelines cheering on his brothers.

Your teammates stepped up very well yesterday.

[SLCDad]

If anybody has any doubt that the onside kick didn't go 10 yards, watch this video clip. The Line Judge was right there. He had the best view of anybody in the stadium. He immediately marked the spot on the 50, and signaled SLC ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQakGPqSHH4

[SLCbandmom]

We are now the ONLY undefeated 5A team in Texas, is that correct?

What a comeback, and what a season. Who would have thought?

[slcdragonfan]

We are now the ONLY undefeated 5A team in Texas, is that correct?

What a comeback, and what a season. Who would have thought?

I believe Cibolo Steele is undefeated and has a pretty good winning streak going on.

[dragonbuck]

Holy Crap what a game. I could not bring myself to post as I did not want to answer the sour grapes from some people which can happen as I did not want to get dragged into something negative after a such an amazing game.

What I have been thinking about this morning is PW. Certainly we would not have gotten this far without him and from everything I have heard he is in for some lengthy healing. What a great player and a great kid and my prayers go out to him for a speedy recovery and a great career at the next level.
I wish we could see him play Hightower and he certainly was missed yesterday.
I understand it is part of the game but this kid left it all out on the field every game and I would love to see him play next week.
He will be on the sidelines cheering on his brothers.

Your teammates stepped up very well yesterday.

I for one am going to take the time to send Peyton a get well/thank you note - that's right, an actual letter. He deserves so much more than that. this kid has deveolped from a fast and scrawny kid that didn't like going across the middle to a fast, tough, sure handed leader that dropped very few balls and learned to not "hear footsteps". He has devoloped into a true D1 talent, and I sure hope (slash that) pray that he will heal quickly and completely after whatever medical treatment he requires. Tough to miss your last game son, but it's better when it's a state championship win, and not a 5th round loss. You were a huge part in getting us this far, and your team will step up in your absence.

GO DRAGONS and thanks PW:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[drgnbkr]

I for one am going to take the time to send Peyton a get well/thank you note - that's right, an actual letter. He deserves so much more than that. this kid has deveolped from a fast and scrawny kid that didn't like going across the middle to a fast, tough, sure handed leader that dropped very few balls and learned to not "hear footsteps". He has devoloped into a true D1 talent, and I sure hope (slash that) pray that he will heal quickly and completely after whatever medical treatment he requires. Tough to miss your last game son, but it's better when it's a state championship win, and not a 5th round loss. You were a huge part in getting us this far, and your team will step up in your absence.

GO DRAGONS and thanks PW:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

Ditto this! It has been a pleasure watching Peyton develop.

[SLCbacker]

I for one am going to take the time to send Peyton a get well/thank you note - that's right, an actual letter. He deserves so much more than that. this kid has deveolped from a fast and scrawny kid that didn't like going across the middle to a fast, tough, sure handed leader that dropped very few balls and learned to not "hear footsteps". He has devoloped into a true D1 talent, and I sure hope (slash that) pray that he will heal quickly and completely after whatever medical treatment he requires. Tough to miss your last game son, but it's better when it's a state championship win, and not a 5th round loss. You were a huge part in getting us this far, and your team will step up in your absence.

GO DRAGONS and thanks PW:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

Peyton Williams is on the list of all time great Carroll recievers. Thank you Peyton for you commitment, and leadership. You developed into one of most sure handed recievers I have ever seen. It has been a pleasure watching you. Get well. I look forward to watching you play on the next level.

[dragonpants]

I for one am going to take the time to send Peyton a get well/thank you note - that's right, an actual letter. He deserves so much more than that. this kid has deveolped from a fast and scrawny kid that didn't like going across the middle to a fast, tough, sure handed leader that dropped very few balls and learned to not "hear footsteps". He has devoloped into a true D1 talent, and I sure hope (slash that) pray that he will heal quickly and completely after whatever medical treatment he requires. Tough to miss your last game son, but it's better when it's a state championship win, and not a 5th round loss. You were a huge part in getting us this far, and your team will step up in your absence.

GO DRAGONS and thanks PW:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

If you get a chance to get some game film, you have to see this kid block. Best blocking WR I have ever seen in HS. What he did to that poor kid at Cedar Hill was amazing. I was standing a few feet away and his dad and I were just laughing at pancake after pancake. Not laughing at the Cedar Hill kids at all it was a thing of beauty to watch. That is what being a team player is all about. Doing things away a long way from the ball that allows the rest of your team to excel.
I hope he will be healthy enough to defend our state championship in the 400 relay. Do not hurry back you have lots more left to do in your athletic career get healthy.

[E-Vol-ution]

E-Vol,

Will you be at JerryWorld next week. I would love to meet you! I have always enjoyed your comments and your football knowledge.

Thanks, I'll be there.
I'm trying to hook up with SLDF, Pants and CHHSPanther.....so let's stay updated.

[powerofthehaka]

Thanks, I'll be there.
I'm trying to hook up with SLDF, Pants and CHHSPanther.....so let's stay updated.

You don't really care who you hang out with do you?;)

[drgnbkr]

You don't really care who you hang out with do you?;)

Hey...we resemble that remark...:D

[powerofthehaka]

Best of luck Dragons! I will be there in my Trinity shirt rooting for you.:yes:

[yankee]

Before his Junior season, I said that Peyton Williams would become the best wide receiver Carroll has had since Blake Cantu, and he more than lived up to that billing. Just an outstanding talent on the outside, and it's been a pleasure watching him play over the past few seasons. Like someone said earlier, without him, there is absolutely no way we are in the State Championship game. That's not a slight to the other players or WR's on our team. Hope everything goes well in his surgery/rehab process and he's able to tear it up at Colorado. Thank you Peyton.

[toonman]

I wish to add my own congratulations to the Dragon Team, Players and Coaching Staff and in particular Coach Wasson. I know I have been very critical of Coach Wasson, but the past couple of seasons has seen a dramatic upturn in the fortunes of the Dragon Football Team and for that Coach Wasson should be congratulated Coach Wasson has surrounded himself with a first class coaching staff and stamped his own vision on the Dragon Football Program. There is no doubt in my mind that the foundations for this season’s State Championship run were built last season.


We are 5 years away from the Todd Dodge legacy and it can be argued that it would take 5 years to turnaround any organization from working one coaches system to establishing, make-work and be successful under another coaches system. Coach Wasson has proved many doubters to be wrong, myself included, but the performances of the 2011 Dragons have been sensational. Each victory worked for, never giving up in the face of adversity, wanting to play another game, preparing the players to execute a flawless onside kick and too for the players to have the will to win and coaching plays called to make that win happen – these are all hallmarks of a great coaching job.

Coach Wasson has built his legacy in what almost amounted to impossible conditions, but as Coach Wasson said tradition does not win games, but sets the bar and yes the bar is set high in Southlake and the bar must remain high otherwise accepting anything less is to accept failure – what I saw in the 2011 Dragon Football was a collection of individuals refusing to accept failure and accepting that the team must push that bar even higher and that they have done – Congratulations.

[dragons08]

Man, I was not able to be there, but wish I could of. My brother was giving me updates the whole game and telling me how it would of been worth it to skip my finals to go to this game.

Good news is I finally get to go to a Dragon game this season. I'll see y'all next week!

Thoughts on a Friday meet/re-meet/have some brew/discuss life get together?

I know we've done it a few times on State Championship Eve back in the day..

[dragonpants]

Man, I was not able to be there, but wish I could of. My brother was giving me updates the whole game and telling me how it would of been worth it to skip my finals to go to this game.

Good news is I finally get to go to a Dragon game this season. I'll see y'all next week!

Thoughts on a Friday meet/re-meet/have some brew/discuss life get together?

I know we've done it a few times on State Championship Eve back in the day..

I am in.

[QQQ]

I wish to add my own congratulations to the Dragon Team, Players and Coaching Staff and in particular Coach Wasson. I know I have been very critical of Coach Wasson, but the past couple of seasons has seen a dramatic upturn in the fortunes of the Dragon Football Team and for that Coach Wasson should be congratulated Coach Wasson has surrounded himself with a first class coaching staff and stamped his own vision on the Dragon Football Program. There is no doubt in my mind that the foundations for this season’s State Championship run were built last season.


We are 5 years away from the Todd Dodge legacy and it can be argued that it would take 5 years to turnaround any organization from working one coaches system to establishing, make-work and be successful under another coaches system. Coach Wasson has proved many doubters to be wrong, myself included, but the performances of the 2011 Dragons have been sensational. Each victory worked for, never giving up in the face of adversity, wanting to play another game, preparing the players to execute a flawless onside kick and too for the players to have the will to win and coaching plays called to make that win happen – these are all hallmarks of a great coaching job.

Coach Wasson has built his legacy in what almost amounted to impossible conditions, but as Coach Wasson said tradition does not win games, but sets the bar and yes the bar is set high in Southlake and the bar must remain high otherwise accepting anything less is to accept failure – what I saw in the 2011 Dragon Football was a collection of individuals refusing to accept failure and accepting that the team must push that bar even higher and that they have done – Congratulations.


Way to man up.

P.S. You are forgiven my son.

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[Dynastybegan86]

Welcome Back Dragons! Best wishes.:)