**Carroll Dragon Fan Thread**

[CCCSportsFan]

the slc wr's need clayton george!

I agree... I think he was one of the most unsung hero's of TD's coaching staff and exceptionally bright for such a young guy.

[crunked9]

I agree... I think he was one of the most unsung hero's of TD's coaching staff and exceptionally bright for such a young guy.

He was the man! And boy was he firery!

[SLC]

Just as WRC

He was a head coach you know... He knows the TD system?????????

[crunked9]

I know. But I was just thinking about the WR's. Not the whole team. I agree he would be a good HC. But he was the best WR coach!

[CCCSportsFan]

He was a head coach you know... He knows the TD system?????????

He left Carroll and went over to Haltom as HC... Then followed TD up to UNT. I'd say he really understands the spread and the TD's little tweaks to it.

I like where you're going with the thought and it would be interesting to see if it could play out. We need to get Crunked to go pay him a visit and plead our case :D

[dragonpants]

I agree... I think he was one of the most unsung hero's of TD's coaching staff and exceptionally bright for such a young guy.

He is coaching the WR's at UNT. I do not think he wants to take the pay cut. I thought he was going to be the next HC but then he went with Todd so we ended up with the Studebaker.

[CCCSportsFan]

He was the man! And boy was he firery!

Man you could see that just in coaching clinics!!!

[crunked9]

He left Carroll and went over to Haltom as HC... Then followed TD up to UNT. I'd say he really understands the spread and the TD's little tweaks to it.

I like where you're going with the thought and it would be interesting to see if it could play out. We need to get Crunked to go pay him a visit and plead our case :D

I'm not trying to get rid of HW.

But you did misses a step in the George journey. He was at Dallas Hillcrest for 2 years before Haltom.

[CCCSportsFan]

He is coaching the WR's at UNT. I do not think he wants to take the pay cut. I thought he was going to be the next HC but then he went with Todd so we ended up with the Studebaker.

Pants, when you factor in all the camps and such the HC has at Carroll, the money could be close to a push couldn't it?

Guess another question is from a career perspective. Does he want to now work his way up the collegiate ranks instead of stepping back to be a high school HC...

[CCCSportsFan]

I'm not trying to get rid of HW.

But you did misses a step in the George journey. He was at Dallas Hillcrest for 2 years before Haltom.

I'd be the last to accuse you of getting rid of HW!!!!

That's right he did go to Hillcrest, was that his first HC gig??

I did forget, see what you have to look forward to some day :)

[SLC]

He left Carroll and went over to Haltom as HC... Then followed TD up to UNT. I'd say he really understands the spread and the TD's little tweaks to it.

I like where you're going with the thought and it would be interesting to see if it could play out. We need to get Crunked to go pay him a visit and plead our case :D


This.

[CCCSportsFan]

This.

My bad on this one... I don't want to pull Crunk into the coaching debate. I know he has his own personal reasons, so sorry my friend...

[SLC]

I'd be the last to accuse you of getting rid of HW!!!!

That's right he did go to Hillcrest, was that his first HC gig??

I did forget, see what you have to look forward to some day :)

Yes it was.

[crunked9]

I'd be the last to accuse you of getting rid of HW!!!!

That's right he did go to Hillcrest, was that his first HC gig??

I did forget, see what you have to look forward to some day :)

I didn't think you were :-)
Just making sure others knew.

Yes, HC was his first gig.

[SLC]

My bad on this one... I don't want to pull Crunk into the coaching debate. I know he has his own personal reasons, so sorry my friend...


I know.. I dont want to involve anyone either..

So anyway, back on point.. He would make a great HC... I have his email address. Anyone????... Anyone???

[gasman]

Zack Bellenger (jr), and Parker Hertel (jr) as well.


Also add Austin Bridges at CB. He is an exceptional player and knows how to tackle.

[crunked9]

They should let me be the OC

[slcdragonfan]

Both current junior and sophomore classes have some good DB's in the pipeline.

I posted on here before that last year during freshman ball Shawn started at DB and was worked in at WR every 3rd series I believe. His touch the ball to touchdown ratio was outrageous :D

The kid has speed and moves. Sounds like a playmaker, and we need points on the board, speed, etc.

[SLC]

They should let me be the OC


Alright so we get Clayton as HC and you as OC.... Sweet...:D

[Green Dragon]

He is coaching the WR's at UNT. I do not think he wants to take the pay cut. I thought he was going to be the next HC but then he went with Todd so we ended up with the Studebaker.

I just fell out of my chair.....:D

[dragonpants]

Pants, when you factor in all the camps and such the HC has at Carroll, the money could be close to a push couldn't it?

Guess another question is from a career perspective. Does he want to now work his way up the collegiate ranks instead of stepping back to be a high school HC...

My guess is that he would ask Todd.
There are plenty of good coaches available.

Great Dane, Joey Maguire, Joey Florence, might be able to persuade Brazil to come over and I am sure there are lots of guys I do not know about.
Sam Harrell from Ennis may want to go to 5A with a built in albeit non turbo charged Porche.

HW needs to go.

[15Adragon]

They should let me be the OC

Job is yours. ;)

I think pants has the headset, so find him and get ready.

We also need to pry the Great One away from H to be the DC. Maybe we could create an assistant head coach position or something like that so it would be a promotion. (Prediction: this will get a response from our Hawk friend).

[Green Dragon]

My guess is that he would ask Todd.
There are plenty of good coaches available.

Great Dane, Joey Maguire, Joey Florence, might be able to persuade Brazil to come over and I am sure there are lots of guys I do not know about.
Sam Harrell from Ennis may want to go to 5A with a built in albeit non turbo charged Porche.

HW needs to go.

My guess is that the coaches at UNT might be a bit sore in the butt from two consecutive seasons of losses but they knew what they were getting into when they followed Todd over there. Might be getting restless for something they can get an immediate feedback on instead of fighting for 18 to 21 year olds to grasp the program in spite of their egos and other distractions. I think it is worth a shot...oh wait we still have a HC...

[SLCbacker]

I just fell out of my chair.....:D

You know the ironic thing is the "Studebaker" went with Todd to Chat. TN to learn the spread......He must have been putting the bags in the car when they summarized the basics. :)

[SLCbacker]

My guess is that he would ask Todd.
There are plenty of good coaches available.

Great Dane, Joey Maguire, Joey Florence, might be able to persuade Brazil to come over and I am sure there are lots of guys I do not know about.
Sam Harrell from Ennis may want to go to 5A with a built in albeit non turbo charged Porche.

HW needs to go.

All fine choices.

[crunked9]

HW does not need to go!

He is a very good coach! Give him a chance!

[Green Dragon]

You know the ironic thing is the "Studebaker" went with Todd to Chat. TN to learn the spread......He must have been putting the bags in the car when they summarized the basics. :)

Touche'
Then why the heck is he letting another "outsider" coach (Poe) call the offense? Is it because he froze up last year in the playoffs at the most critical time.

[SLC]

Touche'
Then why the heck is he letting another "outsider" coach (Poe) call the offense? Is it because he froze up last year in the playoffs at the most critical time.


So he can blame Poe, instead of himself.

[CCCSportsFan]

Hey guys, I've been so wrapped up in our past weekends demise to not hear another one of the shockers this weekend.

A buddy down in Houston told me that Northshore got beat this weekend by hightower!!!

What is happening this year :eek:

[SLC]

Hey guys, I've been so wrapped up in our past weekends demise to not hear another one of the shockers this weekend.

A buddy down in Houston told me that Northshore got beat this weekend by hightower!!!

What is happening this year :eek:


The Woodlands also went down.

[CCCSportsFan]

The Woodlands also went down.

WOW! What else did I miss this past weekend :eek:

[slcdragonfan]

Personally I think the comments ought to stay above board. The last two re: Poe and the Abilene game are counter-productive, even joking. IMO of course.

[kahuna]

I have a couple of observations from Saturday's game which is a result of coaching or lack of.

1). Dragon CBs never look back when covering a WR on the long pass - Example the throw to the Cedar Hill WR in the second half. This is the way the CBs are coached to defend.

2). WRs looking up the field before the ball in their hands. You watch ball into your hands then look up field. This is basic skills, which should be perfect in practice and if perfect in practice would be perfect in each and every time in a game.

If the foundations, i.e. basics, are not 100% nailed down, then the whole thing will collapse.

Sounds to me like you need to go back to school and get your teaching certificate. Then take that pay cut, because we all know you can't afford the same house you live in on a coaches salary. Go ahead and build your very own Toonman Dynasty. Then we can all second guess every decision you and your staff make on Friday night. Seriously though you sound like a very sad and pathetic person. Get a life.

[DragonFan0316]

Sounds to me like you need to go back to school and get your teaching certificate. Then take that pay cut, because we all know you can't afford the same house you live in on a coaches salary. Go ahead and build your very own Toonman Dynasty. Then we can all second guess every decision you and your staff make on Friday night. Seriously though you sound like a very sad and pathetic person. Get a life.

Kahuna,

Low blow. Toon has the right to his opinion and you should back off attacking him personally. Maybe you will learn that after a few more posts.

[drgnbkr]

HW does not need to go!

He is a very good coach! Give him a chance!

Amen...

[green day]

WOW! What else did I miss this past weekend :eek:

Tech is no longer unblemished, TO is happy once again and Kennedy's assailants have still not been identified...

[kahuna]

Kahuna,

Low blow. Toon has the right to his opinion and you should back off attacking him personally. Maybe you will learn that after a few more posts.

My problem is that he is personally attacking our coaches and has done it all season.

[SLC]

Tech is no longer unblemished, TO is happy once again and Kennedy's assailants have still not been identified...


ROTFL...:notworthy

[dragonpants]

Tech is no longer unblemished, TO is happy once again and Kennedy's assailants have still not been identified...

I think Pinion was involved with the Kennedy assassination. :D

[SLC]

I think Pinion was involved with the Kennedy assassination. :D


I think your on to something..:D

[dragonpants]

My problem is that he is personally attacking our coaches and has done it all season.

Have you watched the games this year :eek:

I have been critical also but no personal attacks.

Nothing would make me happier than for Hal to be the man. I do not think he has demonstrated at all that he is.

I do not doubt that he is a good man, good father, and an adequate coach.

Adequate is not what Carroll fans will tolerate.

How many programs out there would be thrilled to have gone to the second round of the playoffs? I do not want to be one of those programs.

[SLC]

My problem is that he is personally attacking our coaches and has done it all season.


Personal attacks are saying things about how he looks or smells or lives his life, or attacking his family. The man doesnt work in the private sector, he is a public figure working for a public school district, and payed a salary by tax payers.

[Green Dragon]

Personal attacks are saying things about how he looks or smells or lives his life, or attacking his family. The man doesnt work in the private sector, he is a public figure working for a public school district, and payed a salary by tax payers.

In other words, he knew what he was getting into when he signed on the dotted line two years ago. I know Hal and his family, they were neighbors of mine and I know they are the nicest people but when it comes to the job at hand, as every job evaluation in most every position out there, you have to be accountable for the quality of your work. Only Hal and his staff can answer that honestly. As stewards of the program they have to answer to the public and be judged accordingly. This year's grade - C - ( and that's pushing it a bit for dealing with the injuries)

[15Adragon]

In the spirirt of Thanksgiving, here is my favorite HW story:
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It was on a Monday night about mid-season and I was with my son at the emergency room. He took a fastball in the face and fractured his nose at baseball practice that evening. We were sitting along with a lot of people in the emergency room. I noticed a man wearing a Dragon hat quickly pass through the waiting room and into the hospital. It was HW. I don’t know this for sure, but I suspect he was up there to visit an injured 7th or 8th grader since they were playing earlier that night. It left an impression on me that night. This doesn’t have anything to do with X’s and O’s but it did tell me about the character of the man running our program. :)

[DragonFan0316]

Have you watched the games this year :eek:

I have been critical also but no personal attacks.

Nothing would make me happier than for Hal to be the man. I do not think he has demonstrated at all that he is.

I do not doubt that he is a good man, good father, and an adequate coach.

Adequate is not what Carroll fans will tolerate.

How many programs out there would be thrilled to have gone to the second round of the playoffs? I do not want to be one of those programs.

Agreed. We had to go to the 2nd to last game just to get in. :mad::(

[toonman]

Sounds to me like you need to go back to school and get your teaching certificate. Then take that pay cut, because we all know you can't afford the same house you live in on a coaches salary. Go ahead and build your very own Toonman Dynasty. Then we can all second guess every decision you and your staff make on Friday night. Seriously though you sound like a very sad and pathetic person. Get a life.

I am sorry that you feel it necessary to insult me and make disparaging personal remarks towards me. If you check back on the 2,000 plus posts I have made over the years, you will find that I never insulted any other posters in any way. I endeavor to make factual observations and make objective comments, based on the facts as they are known to me, based on what I see.

This is a forum for the exchange of opinions, ideas, thoughts, etc regarding Texas High School Football and your favorite team. I am saddened by what I consider a significant demise in the coaching at Southlake Carroll. This opinion is shared by many posters who have expressed their views in the thread, as well as in private messages to me.

I forgive your inexperience, but again if you check back over my previous posts since Wasson was appointed; I was not enamored with the appointment at that time and I am still not, however it hurts me to realize that I was not wrong with my initial assessment. I have never sugar coated a post and I try not to see the Dragon program through green-tinted eyewear, but as this moment all is not right with the Dragons.

I cannot tell if you are a Dragon Fan, but I if you are then I would assume that we both want the same – a well coached team capable of contending for a State Championship.

[Green Dragon]

I am sorry that you feel it necessary to insult me and make disparaging personal remarks towards me. If you check back on the 2,000 plus posts I have made over the years, you will find that I never insulted any other posters in any way. I endeavor to make factual observations and make objective comments, based on the facts as they are known to me, based on what I see.

This is a forum for the exchange of opinions, ideas, thoughts, etc regarding Texas High School Football and your favorite team. I am saddened by what I consider a significant demise in the coaching at Southlake Carroll. This opinion is shared by many posters who have expressed their views in the thread, as well as in private messages to me.

I forgive your inexperience, but again if you check back over my previous posts since Wasson was appointed; I was not enamored with the appointment at that time and I am still not, however it hurts me to realize that I was not wrong with my initial assessment. I have never sugar coated a post and I try not to see the Dragon program through green-tinted eyewear, but as this moment all is not right with the Dragons.

I cannot tell if you are a Dragon Fan, but I if you are then I would assume that we both want the same – a well coached team capable of contending for a State Championship.

I got your back toon...:ninja:

[crunked9]

I would like to point out that Todd Dodge picked Hal Wasson to be the new head coach of SLC

[Green Dragon]

I would like to point out that Todd Dodge picked Hal Wasson to be the new head coach of SLC

But not his staff...

[crunked9]

But not his staff...

So the issue is not Wasson, it is his staff

[kahuna]

Have you watched the games this year :eek:

I have been critical also but no personal attacks.

Nothing would make me happier than for Hal to be the man. I do not think he has demonstrated at all that he is.

I do not doubt that he is a good man, good father, and an adequate coach.

Adequate is not what Carroll fans will tolerate.

How many programs out there would be thrilled to have gone to the second round of the playoffs? I do not want to be one of those programs.

OK, OK, I take bad my "sad and pathetic" remark. Perhaps it was a little too personal. I had a destructive moment. My apologies. But, it seems to me that we all want to give these coaches their appropriate grade for the season. And as fans of this tradition and as mature adults are we allowed to see what has stared us right in the face the entire season? Athletes. The level of athlete is not even near what it has been in the past. And I know that this is going to stir the sh*@ and this is not what we want to hear as parents of these kids. I am not saying that the shelf was empty, but it was no where near the capacity of the past.

[SLCbacker]

HW does not need to go!

He is a very good coach! Give him a chance!

He is a very good man. But "Very Good" coaches are capable of calling offensive plays, and making defensive adjustments. As far as give him a chance, he has shown little in his first 2 years. I question his ability to motivate, and am blown away by the offensive and defensive game plans (particularly Sat), and the inability to make adjustments.

He better get some better people around him....the natives are restless.

[SLCbacker]

I would like to point out that Todd Dodge picked Hal Wasson to be the new head coach of SLC

I would like to point out that even Todd can make a mistake....

[Green Dragon]

So the issue is not Wasson, it is his staff

NO as HC he has the last word on what goes on and he has the "vision" of the program and is paid to lead and inspire. The staff has either failed to live up to what his vision is or they have performed to spec. He has the power to have immediate change with his staff as far as what he wants to see. We have seen the same problems over and over game after game now for two seasons. So being HC he has not taken that power and used it wisely. He has given the offensive calls to his OC and becomes the head cheerleader out there which apparently didn't work cause from what I witnessed, there was no inspiration in the eyes of that team on several occasions this season.

[crunked9]

He is a very good man. But "Very Good" coaches are capable of calling offensive plays, and making defensive adjustments. As far as give him a chance, he has shown little in his first 2 years. I question his ability to motivate, and am blown away by the offensive and defensive game plans (particularly Sat), and the inability to make adjustments.

He better get some better people around him....the natives are restless.

Wasson does not do D game plans. Neither did TD.

Wasson needs to be the OC full time. Like he was at Fossil Ridge.

[Lonestar 48]

OK, OK, I take bad my "sad and pathetic" remark. Perhaps it was a little too personal. I had a destructive moment. My apologies. But, it seems to me that we all want to give these coaches their appropriate grade for the season. And as fans of this tradition and as mature adults are we allowed to see what has stared us right in the face the entire season? Athletes. The level of athlete is not even near what it has been in the past. And I know that this is going to stir the sh*@ and this is not what we want to hear as parents of these kids. I am not saying that the shelf was empty, but it was no where near the capacity of the past.

Kahuna, you have made a very good point. If anyone looks back over the threads for Carroll, you see many posts from people who, I'm guessing, are adults, parents of Carroll students and athletes, and maybe some recent graduates. I have always felt that when someone posts with a "we" instead of "they" when referring to the success of the Dragons, then they are probably living a little vicariously through the football program. Now granted, folks have a vested interest in the success of the team, and many bleed green. That is not much different from many other programs. To me, the difference is how the success of the team was coffee table talk for parents who had kids playing from varsity all the way down to pee wee. God forbid that it is ever the kid's fault for poor preparation or play; no, someone else has to be to blame.

Don't get me wrong...my home has had it's share of Dragon athletes, and I want more than anything for them to be successful. But, I realize that if my kid was not quite as talented as the players before him, more than likely it is no one's fault...that is just the way it is.

Sorry for the bizzaro-Southlake parent rant, but that is just the way I see it.

[SLCbacker]

Wasson does not do D game plans. Neither did TD.
Wasson needs to be the OC full time. Like he was at Fossil Ridge.

Like I said, he better get the right people around him.

[crunked9]

Like I said, he better get the right people around him.

I agree!

[Green Dragon]

Like I said, he better get the right people around him.

I also agree 100% on this one.

[kahuna]

Kahuna, you have made a very good point. If anyone looks back over the threads for Carroll, you see many posts from people who, I'm guessing, are adults, parents of Carroll students and athletes, and maybe some recent graduates. I have always felt that when someone posts with a "we" instead of "they" when referring to the success of the Dragons, then they are probably living a little vicariously through the football program. Now granted, folks have a vested interest in the success of the team, and many bleed green. That is not much different from many other programs. To me, the difference is how the success of the team was coffee table talk for parents who had kids playing from varsity all the way down to pee wee. God forbid that it is ever the kid's fault for poor preparation or play; no, someone else has to be to blame.

Don't get me wrong...my home has had it's share of Dragon athletes, and I want more than anything for them to be successful. But, I realize that if my kid was not quite as talented as the players before him, more than likely it is no one's fault...that is just the way it is.

Sorry for the bizzaro-Southlake parent rant, but that is just the way I see it.

I agree. It is just they way we have evolved as a society. We all want to blame someone else for our problems.

[15Adragon]

OK, OK, I take bad my "sad and pathetic" remark. Perhaps it was a little too personal. I had a destructive moment. My apologies. But, it seems to me that we all want to give these coaches their appropriate grade for the season. And as fans of this tradition and as mature adults are we allowed to see what has stared us right in the face the entire season? Athletes. The level of athlete is not even near what it has been in the past. And I know that this is going to stir the sh*@ and this is not what we want to hear as parents of these kids. I am not saying that the shelf was empty, but it was no where near the capacity of the past.

You are correct. You are going to stir up a stronger and more passionate response about the coaches/program all of that stuff. If you have an 0-10 season the coach can say he didn’t have any players, but the parents and fans are going to say yes, but we were good enough to accomplish more than we did. I promise you this is the response you will get. I know you are trying to defend a good coach and all of that but IMO the net impact is you are just stirring it up more when you tell us that there just wasn’t the talent in place, etc, etc… SLC beat Lufkin in <ST1:pEast Texas</ST1:p when <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:pLufkin</ST1:p</st1:City> had like 11 or more D-1 recruits on the field. They beat countless teams when the other team had far better size, speed, natural ability, etc… I know what you are trying to say but it does not make a good case with SLC fans.

[Green Dragon]

Bottom line is that these players will do whatever you ask of them. Workout extra days, in the heat of the summer, football homework on top of actual academic homework...whatever. As a coach you have to be able to put these players in a position to succeed. Calling the conservative mundane offensive play :Censor:we have been seeing does not bode well for their road to success much less their confidence in the caller(s).

[green day]

No doubt we all predicted this thread would move to this topic, but since it is open to other Dragon football stuff, allow me to invoke some memorable plays from this past season....

Best pitch and catch- By far, the lasar throw from Piland to Rake over the middle and thru 2 safeties, followed by a 30 yard race to the endzone, just before half at Lewisville ISD field against FM Marcus

Best impersonation of an older brother- S Justin Agnew picking one off and taking it to the house at Ford Stadium on opening weekend

Best show of foot speed- Tie. DB KC Rodgers running down the tiny Skeeter early against Mesquite, and S Seth Jameson running down Panther Head on his KO return in Rd 1. Great effort and closing speed

Worst Break of the year, part 1- Hurricane Ike gutting out our non-district schedule and causing football starved fans to find alternative activities on Fridays.

Worst Break of the year, part 2- when Padron's follow thru met a Maurauder helmet

Best playing conditions for a game, weather- Tie. All games were perfect for football, including the stovetop game at Ford. I can smell it like it was yesterday....

Most exciting game of the year- Hate to say it, but it would be tough to vote against the Coppell OT thriller that early October evening.

Quietest fans- our fans the nite against Lewisville

Loudest fans- our fans the nite against Mesquite

Beginning to feel human again :)

[drgnbkr]

No doubt we all predicted this thread would move to this topic, but since it is open to other Dragon football stuff, allow me to invoke some memorable plays from this past season....

Best pitch and catch- By far, the lasar throw from Piland to Rake over the middle and thru 2 safeties, followed by a 30 yard race to the endzone, just before half at Lewisville ISD field against FM Marcus

Best impersonation of an older brother- S Justin Agnew picking one off and taking it to the house at Ford Stadium on opening weekend

Best show of foot speed- Tie. DB KC Rodgers running down the tiny Skeeter early against Mesquite, and S Seth Jameson running down Panther Head on his KO return in Rd 1. Great effort and closing speed

Worst Break of the year, part 1- Hurricane Ike gutting out our non-district schedule and causing football starved fans to find alternative activities on Fridays.

Worst Break of the year, part 2- when Padron's follow thru met a Maurauder helmet

Best playing conditions for a game, weather- Tie. All games were perfect for football, including the stovetop game at Ford. I can smell it like it was yesterday....

Most exciting game of the year- Hate to say it, but it would be tough to vote against the Coppell OT thriller that early October evening.

Quietest fans- our fans the nite against Lewisville

Loudest fans- our fans the nite against Mesquite

Beginning to feel human again :)


Great stuff! Inspiration award: I would have to go with Cade Foster...dinging up that knee and hanging in there the rest of the way, with an obvious limp. Big heart!

[dragonpants]

No doubt we all predicted this thread would move to this topic, but since it is open to other Dragon football stuff, allow me to invoke some memorable plays from this past season....

Best pitch and catch- By far, the lasar throw from Piland to Rake over the middle and thru 2 safeties, followed by a 30 yard race to the endzone, just before half at Lewisville ISD field against FM Marcus

Best impersonation of an older brother- S Justin Agnew picking one off and taking it to the house at Ford Stadium on opening weekend

Best show of foot speed- Tie. DB KC Rodgers running down the tiny Skeeter early against Mesquite, and S Seth Jameson running down Panther Head on his KO return in Rd 1. Great effort and closing speed

Worst Break of the year, part 1- Hurricane Ike gutting out our non-district schedule and causing football starved fans to find alternative activities on Fridays.

Worst Break of the year, part 2- when Padron's follow thru met a Maurauder helmet

Best playing conditions for a game, weather- Tie. All games were perfect for football, including the stovetop game at Ford. I can smell it like it was yesterday....

Most exciting game of the year- Hate to say it, but it would be tough to vote against the Coppell OT thriller that early October evening.

Quietest fans- our fans the nite against Lewisville

Loudest fans- our fans the nite against Mesquite

Beginning to feel human again :)

First Down :D

[CCCSportsFan]

Tech is no longer unblemished, TO is happy once again and Kennedy's assailants have still not been identified...

I did watch the Tech massacre...

Saw the performance from TO, which probably will not shut up the StarTelegram.

But you mean aliens weren't behind the JFK assination :eek:

[CCCSportsFan]

I think Pinion was involved with the Kennedy assassination. :D

He was with the aliens that day I'm sure of it :)

[slcdragonfan]

No doubt we all predicted this thread would move to this topic, but since it is open to other Dragon football stuff, allow me to invoke some memorable plays from this past season....

Best pitch and catch- By far, the lasar throw from Piland to Rake over the middle and thru 2 safeties, followed by a 30 yard race to the endzone, just before half at Lewisville ISD field against FM Marcus

Best impersonation of an older brother- S Justin Agnew picking one off and taking it to the house at Ford Stadium on opening weekend

Best show of foot speed- Tie. DB KC Rodgers running down the tiny Skeeter early against Mesquite, and S Seth Jameson running down Panther Head on his KO return in Rd 1. Great effort and closing speed

Worst Break of the year, part 1- Hurricane Ike gutting out our non-district schedule and causing football starved fans to find alternative activities on Fridays.

Worst Break of the year, part 2- when Padron's follow thru met a Maurauder helmet

Best playing conditions for a game, weather- Tie. All games were perfect for football, including the stovetop game at Ford. I can smell it like it was yesterday....

Most exciting game of the year- Hate to say it, but it would be tough to vote against the Coppell OT thriller that early October evening.

Quietest fans- our fans the nite against Lewisville

Loudest fans- our fans the nite against Mesquite

Beginning to feel human again :)

Best show of foot speed part 2 I know this is crazy, but I remember seeing #77 run down the Plano West RB on the sideline, I swear! I said at the time I couldn't believe we had a DL run down an RB!:notworthy:D

[slcdragonfan]

Great stuff! Inspiration award: I would have to go with Cade Foster...dinging up that knee and hanging in there the rest of the way, with an obvious limp. Big heart!

Agreed. I think he was hurting in the CHILL game as well, I saw him favoring his leg. Thus Malena started bouncing outside instead of up the middle....

A serious man masquerading as a 16-17 year old kid.

[Pinion]

Do we have a new coach yet? :p

[SLC]

Do we have a new coach yet? :p


Not yet.

[HebronHawk]

I thought about that to, but then what do you do at DB.. Similar to Josh Rake moving, we sure could have used him at DB a few times this season.

Hebron plays some of their key players both ways. Always has, always will.

[HebronHawk]

I've watched him since 7th grade and he has very good hands. As witnessed by picks at Hebron and against Colleyville. I'd be surprised if they don't at least give him a look at WR this coming season.

An intangible Shawn has is he's fearless and loves contact.

How is his vertical leap? He is pretty short but I like the way he plays.

[CCCSportsFan]

How is his vertical leap? He is pretty short but I like the way he plays.

Hawk, I don't know his specific stats but he's a very good long jumper so that usually translates to a decent vertical leap number. I'd venture a guess he's about 5' 7" tall.

He leaves it all on the field and is a great kid.

[SLC]

Hebron plays some of their key players both ways. Always has, always will.

Its generally been a staple of Carroll teams that they dont have to play kids 2 ways.

[HebronHawk]

Its generally been a staple of Carroll teams that they dont have to play kids 2 ways.

Maybe that's worth changing. Works for us as long as we condition them right.

[HebronHawk]

Hawk, I don't know his specific stats but he's a very good long jumper so that usually translates to a decent vertical leap number. I'd venture a guess he's about 5' 7" tall.

He leaves it all on the field and is a great kid.

I've been very impressed with him.

[dragonpants]

Do we have a new coach yet? :p

Look at Pinion and the "WE"

[crunked9]

Do we have a new coach yet? :p

We don't need a new coach.

Wasson is the coach.

Maybe the problem is that everyone wants to blame him. Maybe the players just couldn't get it done this year.

[drgnbkr]

We don't need a new coach.

Wasson is the coach.

Maybe the problem is that everyone wants to blame him. Maybe the players just couldn't get it done this year.

I'm with ya

[CCHS77]

I'm with ya

That's three of us.

[Green Dragon]

No doubt we all predicted this thread would move to this topic, but since it is open to other Dragon football stuff, allow me to invoke some memorable plays from this past season....

Best pitch and catch- By far, the lasar throw from Piland to Rake over the middle and thru 2 safeties, followed by a 30 yard race to the endzone, just before half at Lewisville ISD field against FM Marcus

Best impersonation of an older brother- S Justin Agnew picking one off and taking it to the house at Ford Stadium on opening weekend

Best show of foot speed- Tie. DB KC Rodgers running down the tiny Skeeter early against Mesquite, and S Seth Jameson running down Panther Head on his KO return in Rd 1. Great effort and closing speed

Worst Break of the year, part 1- Hurricane Ike gutting out our non-district schedule and causing football starved fans to find alternative activities on Fridays.

Worst Break of the year, part 2- when Padron's follow thru met a Maurauder helmet

Best playing conditions for a game, weather- Tie. All games were perfect for football, including the stovetop game at Ford. I can smell it like it was yesterday....

Most exciting game of the year- Hate to say it, but it would be tough to vote against the Coppell OT thriller that early October evening.

Quietest fans- our fans the nite against Lewisville

Loudest fans- our fans the nite against Mesquite

Beginning to feel human again :)

Thanks for bringing me back to earth to realize what good football we did witness this season.

[SLC]

We don't need a new coach.

Wasson is the coach.

Maybe the problem is that everyone wants to blame him. Maybe the players just couldn't get it done this year.


Thats fine. I'm of the opinion that its shared both ways.. Players and coaches.. We know you dont fire players, they might not play and can be replaced, but cant be fired if their not performing.

So what do you do if a coach isnt performing?

And how long does he get when the results arent what its believed they should be?

How many years do you give, before you say its time to go in a different direction?

[Lonestar 48]

I don't understand the desire to place a time frame on the coach's tenure. Would 1 year be long enough, or 3, or 5, or a lifetime contract? It will probably play out to where there is more success than the team had this year, or there might be less successful seasons. Many have posted what a fine man HW is, and I agree with all. Give him credit; he will know when he wants to leave, maybe early on if the job isn't satisfying to him anymore, or maybe years down the line, when the job isn't satisfying anymore. Maybe when he's heard, or read, all of the posts about him on these threads, he'll decide it isn't worth it. I doubt that, but you never know.

I say we give him no more than 25 years, and no matter what, we boot him out in 2033!!!

[dragonpants]

Alright this is supposed to be my 1000th post. I know I am currently at 999 but posted on here earlier this morning so we will see.

Anyway it has been 3 days and I have had time to think this over and speak to some people closer to the program than I am and have taken everyone's thoughts before posting my "State of the Program Address"

I keep hearing from people that should know that Hal is a good coach. I have not heard great.
That being said does anyone not agree that something needs to be done?
If he is not calling the plays and making defensive adjustments than he needs to be a CEO and make them make those changes or they need to go.
I have heard many say that the talent level was not at a level as in years past due to our youth and injuries etc. That may be a possibility but does not explain shrinking our play book to 5 plays that by and large did not work and yet nothing was done about it. If we did not have the talent this year and with the injury to KP could not run our core offense why not change it to compliment the players that we have. If that means going to a tight end based offense, do it. If DP was not the guy to run the spread why did KW not get some snaps. It may have been unpopular but take some action. ]
CH was unsuccessful running in the first half. Our D played lights out, then they made adjustments at half time and went to 2 tight ends to double team our stud DE's. We had no answer. They stopped running up the middle and went outside. Why not switch to a 3-4 so that we have LB's to get to the outside since they are using 4 players to contain our best 2 up front.
So I will be on Hal's side here. He wanted to let his coordinators do their job and trust them and not step on their toes in front of the players. I am reaching I know. So lets give him an A for loyalty but that does not win championships.
If Poe is not good at calling the plays and being the coordinator get a new one. You know the spread so call the plays again. Riley is not here anymore to coach the offense.
If Coach Wilson cannot make the adjustments than get a new coordinator.
Run it like a business and cut your bottom 20%, meaning the adults not the kids, they work their butts off and will do anything you tell them.
See no personal attacks.
If I have players parents telling me that Hal is good then I will stand behind them, especially when some of them played while Todd was here.
So I am asking that we support Coach Wasson" did I just type that?"
However he needs to make some changes and if not that support can turn quickly.
Be the bad arse coach that I keep hearing you are. Change things up if it makes sense. If you believe we need to change our offensive scheme step up and do it. Be strong enough to bear the brunt of those that will say you are wrong. I keep hearing that Todd is gone and it is your team now,especially with next years group. Make it yours instead of a bastardized version of Todd's team.
Get your assistants in line or get new ones. I have been told you are fiery. Now is the time. Stand up publically and say this is my team and we are going to kick arse next year. Create some of your own traditions, do not try to emulate Todd do something original. Make your mark.
Todd did not try to be Ledbetter. Todd was Todd and he made us feel confident.
If you cannot do that or are unwilling to do that, then please step aside.
You have my support but do something.
Doing the same thing and expecting different results, well we all know what that is the definition of.
Now is the time for you to take control.
Make this Hal's team. This community will love you but if you do not think that something needs to change than we have a problem.
You have the best kids in the world and they will do anything for you, for now.
The reality is that as much as some of want to b..ch and complain no change is going to be made so we need to support him but he needs to hold up his end as well or that support can go away rapidly. We are already starting to see smaller crowds and a lot quieter fans especially at the home games. Could anyone have ever predicted that? They could go 0-10 and I will be there but many will lose interest.
The Dragons are loaded for next year so drive the ship aggressively.

[CCCSportsFan]

Thats fine. I'm of the opinion that its shared both ways.. Players and coaches.. We know you dont fire players, they might not play and can be replaced, but cant be fired if their not performing.

So what do you do if a coach isnt performing?

And how long does he get when the results arent what its believed they should be?

How many years do you give, before you say its time to go in a different direction?

Let's step back and look at this as if it were a business that just had an under performing year based on previous results... This has caused unrest among shareholders and employees. Obviously our competitors are thrilled and hope our company performs even worse next year. What would be the steps the CEO of this company would take next? These are some of the first ones I would take to gain an objective view on the past years results.


Assess whether the past years goals were attainable based on talent, products and/or services and market conditions
If the talent, products and/or services and market conditions were sufficient did the company maximize its resources for success? Who performed and who didn't? And why?
If the talent, products and/or services and market conditions were NOT sufficient to achieve the prior years goals, what changes must be made and what things were out of our control? What can we do next year to better control our destiny?
What can I do as CEO to immediately let shareholders know I'm on top of the problem and working to resolve it?
Does my staff have the knowledge and skill set to execute next years goals and objectives? If not, what and who must change to ensure success.


I sincerely believe some of this process has already started. Your thoughts???

[Maxthedog]

We don't need a new coach.

Wasson is the coach.

Maybe the problem is that everyone wants to blame him. Maybe the players just couldn't get it done this year.

Crunk, I am not trying to pick a fight. Just illuminate a point that is no longer an exception, but soon to be the rule.

In reponse to your statment,,,so NOW we have had 2 years in a row with NOT the usual SLC players,,,ah,,, Last year we had 2 allstate players and good players all over the place.
Under this coach, It is what it is Boys,,,,THIS is as good as it will get!
2009 Battle cry 'Let's shoot for the PlayOffs!"

[crunked9]

Crunk, I am not trying to pick a fight. Just illuminate a point that is no longer an exception, but soon to be the rule.

In reponse to your statment,,,so NOW we have had 2 years in a row with NOT the usual SLC players,,,ah,,, Last year we had 2 allstate players and good players all over the place.
Under this coach, It is what it is Boys,,,,THIS is as good as it will get!
2009 Battle cry 'Let's shoot for the PlayOffs!"

The talent was there in '07. If Riley doesn't get hurt, they Beat Abilene. And make a deep run probably to state.

[drgnbkr]

Carroll lost their last game for the second year in a row, with the senior QB sitting on the sidelines with injury. I'm of the opinion that the sky is not falling. There was a dearth of speed at the skill positions this year, but there was no shortage of injuries. I think a good case might be made that this team slightly overachieved. Just my humble opinion.

[crunked9]

Carroll lost their last game for the second year in a row, with the senior QB sitting on the sidelines with injury. I'm of the opinion that the sky is not falling. There was a dearth of speed at the skill positions this year, but there was no shortage of injuries. I think a good case might be made that this team slightly overachieved. Just my humble opinion.

I kinda agree.

Since 2002, other than Riley getting hurt las year, what other major play has been hurt??

[SLC]

Let's step back and look at this as if it were a business that just had an under performing year based on previous results... This has caused unrest among shareholders and employees. Obviously our competitors are thrilled and hope our company performs even worse next year. What would be the steps the CEO of this company would take next? These are some of the first ones I would take to gain an objective view on the past years results.


Assess whether the past years goals were attainable based on talent, products and/or services and market conditions
If the talent, products and/or services and market conditions were sufficient did the company maximize its resources for success? Who performed and who didn't? And why?
If the talent, products and/or services and market conditions were NOT sufficient to achieve the prior years goals, what changes must be made and what things were out of our control? What can we do next year to better control our destiny?
What can I do as CEO to immediately let shareholders know I'm on top of the problem and working to resolve it?
Does my staff have the knowledge and skill set to execute next years goals and objectives? If not, what and who must change to ensure success.


I sincerely believe some of this process has already started. Your thoughts???


Great. Process and dialogue is needed... All things must be considered.. All things must be looked at by the players, coach, the athletic director, the school board, the superintendent.. Just evaluate where the program is, where you want it to be, where you think it should be and take the appropriate actions to get there.

[toonman]

Alright this is supposed to be my 1000th post. I know I am currently at 999 but posted on here earlier this morning so we will see.

Anyway it has been 3 days and I have had time to think this over and speak to some people closer to the program than I am and have taken everyone's thoughts before posting my "State of the Program Address"

I keep hearing from people that should know that Hal is a good coach. I have not heard great.
That being said does anyone not agree that something needs to be done?
If he is not calling the plays and making defensive adjustments than he needs to be a CEO and make them make those changes or they need to go.
I have heard many say that the talent level was not at a level as in years past due to our youth and injuries etc. That may be a possibility but does not explain shrinking our play book to 5 plays that by and large did not work and yet nothing was done about it. If we did not have the talent this year and with the injury to KP could not run our core offense why not change it to compliment the players that we have. If that means going to a tight end based offense, do it. If DP was not the guy to run the spread why did KW not get some snaps. It may have been unpopular but take some action. ]
CH was unsuccessful running in the first half. Our D played lights out, then they made adjustments at half time and went to 2 tight ends to double team our stud DE's. We had no answer. They stopped running up the middle and went outside. Why not switch to a 3-4 so that we have LB's to get to the outside since they are using 4 players to contain our best 2 up front.
So I will be on Hal's side here. He wanted to let his coordinators do their job and trust them and not step on their toes in front of the players. I am reaching I know. So lets give him an A for loyalty but that does not win championships.
If Poe is not good at calling the plays and being the coordinator get a new one. You know the spread so call the plays again. Riley is not here anymore to coach the offense.
If Coach Wilson cannot make the adjustments than get a new coordinator.
Run it like a business and cut your bottom 20%, meaning the adults not the kids, they work their butts off and will do anything you tell them.
See no personal attacks.
If I have players parents telling me that Hal is good then I will stand behind them, especially when some of them played while Todd was here.
So I am asking that we support Coach Wasson" did I just type that?"
However he needs to make some changes and if not that support can turn quickly.
Be the bad arse coach that I keep hearing you are. Change things up if it makes sense. If you believe we need to change our offensive scheme step up and do it. Be strong enough to bear the brunt of those that will say you are wrong. I keep hearing that Todd is gone and it is your team now,especially with next years group. Make it yours instead of a bastardized version of Todd's team.
Get your assistants in line or get new ones. I have been told you are fiery. Now is the time. Stand up publically and say this is my team and we are going to kick arse next year. Create some of your own traditions, do not try to emulate Todd do something original. Make your mark.
Todd did not try to be Ledbetter. Todd was Todd and he made us feel confident.
If you cannot do that or are unwilling to do that, then please step aside.
You have my support but do something.
Doing the same thing and expecting different results, well we all know what that is the definition of.
Now is the time for you to take control.
Make this Hal's team. This community will love you but if you do not think that something needs to change than we have a problem.
You have the best kids in the world and they will do anything for you, for now.
The reality is that as much as some of want to b..ch and complain no change is going to be made so we need to support him but he needs to hold up his end as well or that support can go away rapidly. We are already starting to see smaller crowds and a lot quieter fans especially at the home games. Could anyone have ever predicted that? They could go 0-10 and I will be there but many will lose interest.
The Dragons are loaded for next year so drive the ship aggressively.

I agree with much of what you have stated. However despite being in the business for over 20 years, Wasson has never put together a state championship program at any previous head coaching assignments at Italy, San Saba, Pittsburg, Kerens, Mexia, Liberty Hill, Fossil Ridge, etc.

In addition there was no legacy program left behind at these schools and today none of these programs are perennial contenders in their classification. I am sure Wasson is a great person and human being, but over 20 years all he has been is a journeyman coach, without any achievements in his resume. As a CEO of Dragons Inc, I would not have made this hire.

[CCCSportsFan]

Great. Process and dialogue is needed... All things must be considered.. All things must be looked at by the players, coach, the athletic director, the school board, the superintendent.. Just evaluate where the program is, where you want it to be, where you think it should be and take the appropriate actions to get there.

Even if HW comes to the conclusion nothing needs to change, he needs to immediately let everyone know he's on top of this and thoroughly evaluated the past season.

In my opinion he can't over communicate his thoughts and plans right now because we fans are his shareholders. At the end of the day we are not your regular high school program and everyone knows this in the community. The Dragon logo is a very valueable marketing tool and generates a lot of revenue for the school district. This adds a higher dimension and greater responsibility to the football HC and AD. They have to look at this as a business or should run the risk of paying for that mistake with their job.

I don't personally know the man, but I honestly think he knew this before he took the job and knew what he was signing up for as HC.

[dragonpants]

Even if HW comes to the conclusion nothing needs to change, he needs to immediately let everyone know he's on top of this and thoroughly evaluated the past season.

In my opinion he can't over communicate his thoughts and plans right now because we fans are his shareholders. At the end of the day we are not your regular high school program and everyone knows this in the community. The Dragon logo is a very valueable marketing tool and generates a lot of revenue for the school district. This adds a higher dimension and greater responsibility to the football HC and AD. They have to look at this as a business or should run the risk of paying for that mistake with their job.

I don't personally know the man, but I honestly think he knew this before he took the job and knew what he was signing up for as HC.

He should, he coached here before, his son played here, his wife teaches here. I really think he thought this would be easier. He did not take over a broken program and especially with last years talent meaning '07 thought he probably had a built in State Championship.

Again just my opinion but I think he is dying to win State as HC and what better place to be and then move into the AD gig. Even before Ronnie "resigned" he was not going to be here much longer.

[SLCbacker]

We don't need a new coach.

Wasson is the coach.

Maybe the problem is that everyone wants to blame him. Maybe the players just couldn't get it done this year.

Blaming the players?.....you must be extremely close to Coach Wasson. Seems like I have heard him do that on occasion. Tremendous Leadership.:rolleyes:

[CCCSportsFan]

He should, he coached here before, his son played here, his wife teaches here. I really think he thought this would be easier. He did not take over a broken program and especially with last years talent meaning '07 thought he probably had a built in State Championship.

Again just my opinion but I think he is dying to win State as HC and what better place to be and then move into the AD gig. Even before Ronnie "resigned" he was not going to be here much longer.

I believe I read right after he was hired how he and TD had several conversations talking about everything the job entailed and the pressure associated with the job. Besides as you say, he lives in the community and was part of the program before.

At other schools the HC could probably get away without communicating much if anything about the past year. I'm not saying he needs a full state of the union address, but it's critical he communicate he is evaluating the past season and what can be made better for next year. The local newspapers are a great place for him to start getting his message out and they'd give him a ton of ink if he wants it.

Your spot on about the AD gig... For the right person that is a gem of a job. Tons of fan, community, parent and kid support makes marketing your program a very easy task :D

[crunked9]

Blaming the players?.....you must be extremely close to Coach Wasson. Seems like I have heard him do that on occasion. Tremendous Leadership.:rolleyes:

The players are the ones that play the game.

We used to be told during the Zig Ziggler lessons that there are around 100+ plays in a game. Coaches make good calls and bad calls. In the end it is the players that win the game. Or something like that.

Anyway, how does Wasson Blame the players?

[SLCbacker]

Carroll lost their last game for the second year in a row, with the senior QB sitting on the sidelines with injury. I'm of the opinion that the sky is not falling. There was a dearth of speed at the skill positions this year, but there was no shortage of injuries. I think a good case might be made that this team slightly overachieved. Just my humble opinion.

With all due respect, not my recall Bkr.
Carroll had a shot in `07, but lost to Abilene because the coach wigged out and did not call timeout. Instead of calling a timeout to calm his team, and backup QB, down. He hysterically motions from the sideline for them to hurry to the line and take a snap from under center. Then he left the blame on the shoulders of the players. No accountibility....no Leadership.

[dragonpants]

Ok Dragon faithful, MaxtheDog and I have figured this out.

Now understand boosters you are going to have to open your wallets, it is an expensive proposition but no one can argue with it.

Ok Hal becomes the AD and the title of Director of Football
Sam Harrell is the head coach and we are going to have to move his restaurant here to SL with the understanding that he has to get a liquor license so we have a place to drink after the games.

Brian Brazil will be the asst head coach of offense
Dane Johnson will be the asst head coach of defense

Joey Mcguire will be asst head coach of all half time adjustments.

Done deal, Max and I are the bomb.

SLCbacker will be in charge of communications and media relations.

Pinion is in charge of recruiting red neck fans, I said fans not players, ya know unless of course one of those hicks has a big un....well again backer is in charge of that..

DragonBkr is director of events

Now start sending in those checks..........................

Thank God that is done.

[SLCbacker]

Ok Dragon faithful, MaxtheDog and I have figured this out.

Now understand boosters you are going to have to open your wallets, it is an expensive proposition but no one can argue with it.

Ok Hal becomes the AD and the title of Director of Football
Sam Harrell is the head coach and we are going to have to move his restaurant here to SL with the understanding that he has to get a liquor license so we have a place to drink after the games.

Brian Brazil will be the asst head coach of offense
Dane Johnson will be the asst head coach of defense

Joey Mcguire will be asst head coach of all half time adjustments.

Done deal, Max and I are the bomb.

SLCbacker will be in charge of communications and media relations.

Pinion is in charge of recruiting red neck fans, I said fans not players, ya know unless of course one of those hicks has a big un....well again backer is in charge of that..

DragonBkr is director of events

Now start sending in those checks..........................

Thank God that is done.

Brilliant!!! I'm in. :D

[SLC]

Ok Dragon faithful, MaxtheDog and I have figured this out.

Now understand boosters you are going to have to open your wallets, it is an expensive proposition but no one can argue with it.

Ok Hal becomes the AD and the title of Director of Football
Sam Harrell is the head coach and we are going to have to move his restaurant here to SL with the understanding that he has to get a liquor license so we have a place to drink after the games.

Brian Brazil will be the asst head coach of offense
Dane Johnson will be the asst head coach of defense

Joey Mcguire will be asst head coach of all half time adjustments.

Done deal, Max and I are the bomb.

SLCbacker will be in charge of communications and media relations.

Pinion is in charge of recruiting red neck fans, I said fans not players, ya know unless of course one of those hicks has a big un....well again backer is in charge of that..

DragonBkr is director of events

Now start sending in those checks..........................

Thank God that is done.



So if in your heart of hearts he's not getting it done with the football team.... you would put him in charge of ALL sports programs at Carroll????.... Oh lord.

[green day]

Thanks for bringing me back to earth to realize what good football we did witness this season.

GD- I understand everyone's disappointment, but I don't think we should wait to 2009 to reflect on the fun we had.

Someone brought up Robbie Halliman running down a halfback vs Plano W...

Add... Brett Renger's finger tip catch against Colleyville

....the Lopano factor...Little Shaun Hoaglund shutting down Ashley in the FM clash...the goal line stand against FM....the first time the players came out of the locker room, walking behind the marching band members, preparing for battle against Arlington...the Wednesday nite Homecoming festivities...Tommy's 44 yarder up the middle against Hebron...David's 4th down effort to get us that yard against Marcus...Jackson and Brayden on most any nite...the post game interview with Garrett Sims...

We've still got a lot to be thankful for

GD

[drgnbkr]

GD- I understand everyone's disappointment, but I don't think we should wait to 2009 to reflect on the fun we had.

Someone brought up Robbie Halliman running down a halfback vs Plano W...

Add... Brett Renger's finger tip catch against Colleyville

....the Lopano factor...Little Shaun Hoaglund shutting down Ashley in the FM clash...the goal line stand against FM....the first time the players came out of the locker room, walking behind the marching band members, preparing for battle against Arlington...the Wednesday nite Homecoming festivities...Tommy's 44 yarder up the middle against Hebron...David's 4th down effort to get us that yard against Marcus...Jackson and Brayden on most any nite...the post game interview with Garrett Sims...

We've still got a lot to be thankful for

GD


Amen! Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

[Maxthedog]

Brilliant!!! I'm in. :D

You forgot one DP. Farmerfan wants to be the bartender at Sam's resturant. FF has a new drink called 'Plano Sucks',,,named after Plano gals,,,tart, all the boobze on top.

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

...the post game interview with Garrett Sims...

What's the story here?

[E-Vol-ution]

Face it....you guys were blessed in the past years. You didn't have a Luna, Newton, Dodge, Wasson, sticky fingered pain in the butt Renfro, etc. These kids you had did pretty well....just no ring. Give em a letter and the same pats on the back you gave those other kids. They come and go......and get off the coach. He didn't have those same luxuries.
Much easier to look like a genius coach with studs. You've had your share and will get more.
With all due respect, not my recall Bkr.
Carroll had a shot in `07, but lost to Abilene because the coach wigged out and did not call timeout. Instead of calling a timeout to calm his team, and backup QB, down. He hysterically motions from the sideline for them to hurry to the line and take a snap from under center. Then he left the blame on the shoulders of the players. No accountibility....no Leadership.

[green day]

What's the story here?


He was the defensive player of the game one night, and his banter back and forth with the KKGM guys , was just funny. I can't remember anything specific but it pretty good stuff. Must have been the Marcus game, as Garrett was one of the few that wasn't wrapped or iced afterwards...

[reddog]

He was the defensive player of the game one night, and his banter back and forth with the KKGM guys , was just funny. I can't remember anything specific but it pretty good stuff. Must have been the Marcus game, as Garrett was one of the few that wasn't wrapped or iced afterwards...

He was very polite, yes sir, no sir. Represented the Dragons well. The banter I remember was them asking if he was a singer like his Mothers Cousin Aaron Stacy class of 2005 o-line signed with East Central Oklahoma. I think he said he leaves the singing in the family to Aaron. Who by the way is pretty good. And he was a pretty good lineman as well.

[dragonpants]

So if in your heart of hearts he's not getting it done with the football team.... you would put him in charge of ALL sports programs at Carroll????.... Oh lord.

I am Chairman of the Board :cool:

[dragonpants]

You forgot one DP. Farmerfan wants to be the bartender at Sam's resturant. FF has a new drink called 'Plano Sucks',,,named after Plano gals,,,tart, all the boobze on top.

Only if there is a breathalizer machine at the bar to make sure he is not drinking all of Sam's profits.

[dragonpants]

He was the defensive player of the game one night, and his banter back and forth with the KKGM guys , was just funny. I can't remember anything specific but it pretty good stuff. Must have been the Marcus game, as Garrett was one of the few that wasn't wrapped or iced afterwards...

It was a home game, that much I remember.

[SLC]

I am Chairman of the Board :cool:


Great... Another disaster... Where's my gun.

[dragonpants]

Great... Another disaster... Where's my gun.

Nice

[SLC]

Nice


Thanks... Its not loaded though.

[Pinion]

We don't need a new coach.

Wasson is the coach.

Maybe the problem is that everyone wants to blame him. Maybe the players just couldn't get it done this year.


You're wrong sir. We (yes, Dragonpants. WE) do need a new coach. We need a coach that's more aggressive and can call plays.

Everybody doesnt want to blame the coach. We have to blame the coach. The reason why we arent playing again this weekend is because we were outcoached. The players couldnt get it done because the coach didnt coach properly.

[crunked9]

You're wrong sir. We (yes, Dragonpants. WE) do need a new coach. We need a coach that's more aggressive and can call plays.

Everybody doesnt want to blame the coach. We have to blame the coach. The reason why we arent playing again this weekend is because we were outcoached. The players couldnt get it done because the coach didnt coach properly.

Story time for all you.....

Setting: December 2001, Texas Stadium.

Southlake Carroll Dragons vs. Ennis Lions

Final Score 49-17 Ennis Lions

What happend, mid way through the 3rd qtr SLC is winning 17-14. They have the ball. WR #9 for SLC catches a pass on the side line and turns up field.... FUMBLE! Ennis recovers. Not soon after its 49-17.

Who is to blame??

Coaches? Players? Officals?

The problem was SLC was not as good as Ennis. They were out matched, out coached, out everything.

The game against CH this past week, same problems. Out matched, out played, out coached.


You can all scream and holla for a new coach, but its more than a coach.

Sometimes you must re-evaluate yourself and stop blaming others for why you didn't win or succed.

[dragonpants]

Story time for all you.....

Setting: December 2001, Texas Stadium.

Southlake Carroll Dragons vs. Ennis Lions

Final Score 49-17 Ennis Lions

What happend, mid way through the 3rd qtr SLC is winning 17-14. They have the ball. WR #9 for SLC catches a pass on the side line and turns up field.... FUMBLE! Ennis recovers. Not soon after its 49-17.

Who is to blame??

Coaches? Players? Officals?

The problem was SLC was not as good as Ennis. They were out matched, out coached, out everything.

The game against CH this past week, same problems. Out matched, out played, out coached.


You can all scream and holla for a new coach, but its more than a coach.

Sometimes you must re-evaluate yourself and stop blaming others for why you didn't win or succed.

You said it out coached, how is that acceptable at Carroll and Pinion has me all pumped up with the " WE " stuff. Welcome aboard.

[BigRing5311]

Story time for all you.....

Setting: December 2001, Texas Stadium.

Southlake Carroll Dragons vs. Ennis Lions

Final Score 49-17 Ennis Lions

What happend, mid way through the 3rd qtr SLC is winning 17-14. They have the ball. WR #9 for SLC catches a pass on the side line and turns up field.... FUMBLE! Ennis recovers. Not soon after its 49-17.

Who is to blame??

Coaches? Players? Officals?

The problem was SLC was not as good as Ennis. They were out matched, out coached, out everything.

The game against CH this past week, same problems. Out matched, out played, out coached.


You can all scream and holla for a new coach, but its more than a coach.

Sometimes you must re-evaluate yourself and stop blaming others for why you didn't win or succed.


I don't know who you are Crunked9 but that was a great setup...and that coach that got outcoached in 2001 was...

[crunked9]

I don't know who you are Crunked9 but that was a great setup...and that coach that got outcoached in 2001 was...

Todd Dodge

[SLC]

I don't know who you are Crunked9 but that was a great setup...and that coach that got outcoached in 2001 was...


Touch Down!!!!! .......... Oh...uh... nevermind... I thought we just scored again.... Back to the previous broadcast

[BigRing5311]

Todd Dodge

And what year of coaching was he in at Carroll...

[crunked9]

And what year of coaching was he in at Carroll...

2nd. What is your point?

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

2nd. What is your point?

HW is in year 2 as well.

[E-Vol-ution]

Nice....I think he'll get it now.And what year of coaching was he in at Carroll...

[BigRing5311]

2nd. What is your point?

Crunked9 - this is not aimed at you or anyone else, it's just an observation and a few facts from the past.

Coach Dodge was the coach you referred to as getting out coached by Sam Harrell in the 2001 Ennis-Carroll playoff game. Coach Dodge was in his 2nd year as HC at Carroll. Dodge came to Carroll from Keller Fossil Ridge with a combined HC record of 24W - 35L and a record of 19W - 10L his 1st 2 years at Carroll. Before coming to Carroll Dodge had not won a State Championship in any division of Texas HS Football. Coach Wasson has a record of 19W - 5L in his 1st 2 years as HC of Carroll. Of course Carroll wasn't coming off of 5 consecutive 5A State Championship appearances in which they won 4 of them when Dodge took over but I would imagine the natives were getting fairly restless at the end of the 2001 season especially with the last game of that season being a shellacking by Ennis. And would also imagine that when news came out from the UIL that Carroll would move into the 5A ranks in 2002 there weren't a lot of folks holding preseason State Championship parties at Mel's.
Point is Dodge made some changes after that 2001 game against Ennis and installed the spread. Before that he was running the same thing as his predecessors to a degree. I hope for Coach Wasson's and the kids sake the next 5 years are as successful as the last 5 years of Coach Dodge's career at Carroll. Personally and honestly I don't think what Dodge and his teams accomplished in that 5 year span will ever be replicated by any program and I also believe if any HC makes that his goal and tries to uphold the kids to that as being the only standard of success there will be a tremendous amount of heartbreak and implosion for the kids and the future of the Dragon program.

Todd Dodge High school coaching record
Season Team Wins Losses Notes
1994 Cameron Yoe 3 7
1995 Cameron Yoe 5 5
1996 Carrollton Newman Smith 4 6
1997 Carrollton Newman Smith 5 5
1998 Keller Fossil Ridge 2 7
1999 Keller Fossil Ridge 5 5
2000 Southlake Carroll 9 5
2001 Southlake Carroll 10 5
2002 Southlake Carroll 16 0 5A Division II state champions
2003 Southlake Carroll 15 1 lost title game 16-15 to Katy
2004 Southlake Carroll 16 0 5A Division II state champions
2005 Southlake Carroll 16 0 5A Division II state champions
2006 Southlake Carroll 16 0 5A Division I state champions
13 Total 124 46

[crunked9]

Crunked9 - this is not aimed at you or anyone else, it's just an observation and a few facts from the past.

Coach Dodge was the coach you referred to as getting out coached by Sam Harrell in the 2001 Ennis-Carroll playoff game. Coach Dodge was in his 2nd year as HC at Carroll. Dodge came to Carroll from Keller Fossil Ridge with a combined HC record of 24W - 35L and a record of 19W - 10L his 1st 2 years at Carroll. Before coming to Carroll Dodge had not won a State Championship in any division of Texas HS Football. Coach Wasson has a record of 19W - 5L in his 1st 2 years as HC of Carroll. Of course Carroll wasn't coming off of 5 consecutive 5A State Championship appearances in which they won 4 of them when Dodge took over but I would imagine the natives were getting fairly restless at the end of the 2001 season especially with the last game of that season being a shellacking by Ennis. And would also imagine that when news came out from the UIL that Carroll would move into the 5A ranks in 2002 there weren't a lot of folks holding preseason State Championship parties at Mel's.
Point is Dodge made some changes after that 2001 game against Ennis and installed the spread. Before that he was running the same thing as his predecessors to a degree. I hope for Coach Wasson's and the kids sake the next 5 years are as successful as the last 5 years of Coach Dodge's career at Carroll. Personally and honestly I don't think what Dodge and his teams accomplished in that 5 year span will ever be replicated by any program and I also believe if any HC makes that his goal and tries to uphold the kids to that as being the only standard of success there will be a tremendous amount of heartbreak and implosion for the kids and the future of the Dragon program.

Todd Dodge High school coaching record
Season Team Wins Losses Notes
1994 Cameron Yoe 3 7
1995 Cameron Yoe 5 5
1996 Carrollton Newman Smith 4 6
1997 Carrollton Newman Smith 5 5
1998 Keller Fossil Ridge 2 7
1999 Keller Fossil Ridge 5 5
2000 Southlake Carroll 9 5
2001 Southlake Carroll 10 5
2002 Southlake Carroll 16 0 5A Division II state champions
2003 Southlake Carroll 15 1 lost title game 16-15 to Katy
2004 Southlake Carroll 16 0 5A Division II state champions
2005 Southlake Carroll 16 0 5A Division II state champions
2006 Southlake Carroll 16 0 5A Division I state champions
13 Total 124 46

Not really. Before Dodge got to SLC, it was the wishbone option. He brought the one back passing game.

[SLC]

And what year of coaching was he in at Carroll...


2nd... And at that point TD had gone to 1 regional final and 1 state semi final... To be followed up in his 3rd year by his 1st title. After inheriting a 6-4 team.

[crunked9]

Crunked9 - this is not aimed at you or anyone else, it's just an observation and a few facts from the past.

Coach Dodge was the coach you referred to as getting out coached by Sam Harrell in the 2001 Ennis-Carroll playoff game. Coach Dodge was in his 2nd year as HC at Carroll. Dodge came to Carroll from Keller Fossil Ridge with a combined HC record of 24W - 35L and a record of 19W - 10L his 1st 2 years at Carroll. Before coming to Carroll Dodge had not won a State Championship in any division of Texas HS Football. Coach Wasson has a record of 19W - 5L in his 1st 2 years as HC of Carroll. Of course Carroll wasn't coming off of 5 consecutive 5A State Championship appearances in which they won 4 of them when Dodge took over but I would imagine the natives were getting fairly restless at the end of the 2001 season especially with the last game of that season being a shellacking by Ennis. And would also imagine that when news came out from the UIL that Carroll would move into the 5A ranks in 2002 there weren't a lot of folks holding preseason State Championship parties at Mel's.
Point is Dodge made some changes after that 2001 game against Ennis and installed the spread. Before that he was running the same thing as his predecessors to a degree. I hope for Coach Wasson's and the kids sake the next 5 years are as successful as the last 5 years of Coach Dodge's career at Carroll. Personally and honestly I don't think what Dodge and his teams accomplished in that 5 year span will ever be replicated by any program and I also believe if any HC makes that his goal and tries to uphold the kids to that as being the only standard of success there will be a tremendous amount of heartbreak and implosion for the kids and the future of the Dragon program.

Todd Dodge High school coaching record
Season Team Wins Losses Notes
1994 Cameron Yoe 3 7
1995 Cameron Yoe 5 5
1996 Carrollton Newman Smith 4 6
1997 Carrollton Newman Smith 5 5
1998 Keller Fossil Ridge 2 7
1999 Keller Fossil Ridge 5 5
2000 Southlake Carroll 9 5
2001 Southlake Carroll 10 5
2002 Southlake Carroll 16 0 5A Division II state champions
2003 Southlake Carroll 15 1 lost title game 16-15 to Katy
2004 Southlake Carroll 16 0 5A Division II state champions
2005 Southlake Carroll 16 0 5A Division II state champions
2006 Southlake Carroll 16 0 5A Division I state champions
13 Total 124 46

I know. I'm just trying to say that wasson has been here 2 years, hopefully he can make adjustments just like dodge did.

[drgnbkr]

I know. I'm just trying to say that wasson has been here 2 years, hopefully he can make adjustments just like dodge did.

While maybe not exactly like TD, I'm sure he can and will.

[ScopeUp]

BOTTOM LINE: It all comes down to Jimmy's and Joes, not X's and O's. You can scheme all you want, the fact of the matter is that SLC did not have near the talent of CHill, that was evident in pre-game warm up to Ray Charles. In the Dragon offense, you have to have a trigger man that can make plays in the running game and passing game. Losing Padrone killed this team, they did very well to overcome adversity all year just to go 2 rounds deep. It is easy to second guess, comes down to athletes. As the season progressed, Piland became more and more flustered in the pocket and erratic in throws. I admit, I came on the board and thought he could be the answer, I was wrong but in his defense he had a huge task on his shoulder, after just playing in his 6th varsity game. However, in his defense his wr's dropped about every other pass thrown their way so that plays on the psychi of the QB. It will be a great competition between KW and DP this spring. Things will not change if we don't get more athletic at the skill positions, correct me if you think I'm wrong...but not one player off this years team would have started for the past 6 or 7 previous Dragon teams at the WR, QB, or RB positions. Talent comes and goes, we as Dragons have been blessed to have a great run and this season was not a failure by any means. Injuries plagued this team, Jon Nathan breaks hand just when the 2 back package begins to gash CHill, Seth Jameson knocked out with concussion in first half and his back-up can't fill the outside edge run support gap to save his life. There are lots of factors that go into the loss of the game, I would like to see more agressive play calling just like everyone else, but when our fastest wr looks like he is running in cement...not sure if that's a possiblity. This season in a nut shell comes down to PLAYMAKERS, and we did not have them. You can draw up all the schemes you want, but football comes down to 11 one on one matchups on both sides of the ball. When you have holes in the armour, it will be revealed. The Dragons have always had great team speed, tremendous strength on the Defensive line and Lb's, and an unmatched swagger, and an Accurate QB that makes great Decisions. This year, Different Story=2nd Round Knockout. In reference to the Ennis Game, SLC was not outcoached in that game either. The lions were physically more talented and speed wins. To win a state title, it takes a lot of luck, extreme talent, and a few Go Daddy's that can turn a bad play call into a Touchdown.

[green day]

BOTTOM LINE: It all comes down to Jimmy's and Joes, not X's and O's. You can scheme all you want, the fact of the matter is that SLC did not have near the talent of CHill, that was evident in pre-game warm up to Ray Charles. In the Dragon offense, you have to have a trigger man that can make plays in the running game and passing game. Losing Padrone killed this team, they did very well to overcome adversity all year just to go 2 rounds deep. It is easy to second guess, comes down to athletes. As the season progressed, Piland became more and more flustered in the pocket and erratic in throws. I admit, I came on the board and thought he could be the answer, I was wrong but in his defense he had a huge task on his shoulder, after just playing in his 6th varsity game. However, in his defense his wr's dropped about every other pass thrown their way so that plays on the psychi of the QB. It will be a great competition between KW and DP this spring. Things will not change if we don't get more athletic at the skill positions, correct me if you think I'm wrong...but not one player off this years team would have started for the past 6 or 7 previous Dragon teams at the WR, QB, or RB positions. Talent comes and goes, we as Dragons have been blessed to have a great run and this season was not a failure by any means. Injuries plagued this team, Jon Nathan breaks hand just when the 2 back package begins to gash CHill, Seth Jameson knocked out with concussion in first half and his back-up can't fill the outside edge run support gap to save his life. There are lots of factors that go into the loss of the game, I would like to see more agressive play calling just like everyone else, but when our fastest wr looks like he is running in cement...not sure if that's a possiblity. This season in a nut shell comes down to PLAYMAKERS, and we did not have them. You can draw up all the schemes you want, but football comes down to 11 one on one matchups on both sides of the ball. When you have holes in the armour, it will be revealed. The Dragons have always had great team speed, tremendous strength on the Defensive line and Lb's, and an unmatched swagger, and an Accurate QB that makes great Decisions. This year, Different Story=2nd Round Knockout. In reference to the Ennis Game, SLC was not outcoached in that game either. The lions were physically more talented and speed wins. To win a state title, it takes a lot of luck, extreme talent, and a few Go Daddy's that can turn a bad play call into a Touchdown.


Good bulletin board material, nice thinking Scope. I'll rebute in time

[15Adragon]

BOTTOM LINE: It all comes down to Jimmy's and Joes, not X's and O's. You can scheme all you want, the fact of the matter is that SLC did not have near the talent of CHill, that was evident in pre-game warm up to Ray Charles. In the Dragon offense, you have to have a trigger man that can make plays in the running game and passing game. Losing Padrone killed this team, they did very well to overcome adversity all year just to go 2 rounds deep. It is easy to second guess, comes down to athletes. As the season progressed, Piland became more and more flustered in the pocket and erratic in throws. I admit, I came on the board and thought he could be the answer, I was wrong but in his defense he had a huge task on his shoulder, after just playing in his 6th varsity game. However, in his defense his wr's dropped about every other pass thrown their way so that plays on the psychi of the QB. It will be a great competition between KW and DP this spring. Things will not change if we don't get more athletic at the skill positions, correct me if you think I'm wrong...but not one player off this years team would have started for the past 6 or 7 previous Dragon teams at the WR, QB, or RB positions. Talent comes and goes, we as Dragons have been blessed to have a great run and this season was not a failure by any means. Injuries plagued this team, Jon Nathan breaks hand just when the 2 back package begins to gash CHill, Seth Jameson knocked out with concussion in first half and his back-up can't fill the outside edge run support gap to save his life. There are lots of factors that go into the loss of the game, I would like to see more agressive play calling just like everyone else, but when our fastest wr looks like he is running in cement...not sure if that's a possiblity. This season in a nut shell comes down to PLAYMAKERS, and we did not have them. You can draw up all the schemes you want, but football comes down to 11 one on one matchups on both sides of the ball. When you have holes in the armour, it will be revealed. The Dragons have always had great team speed, tremendous strength on the Defensive line and Lb's, and an unmatched swagger, and an Accurate QB that makes great Decisions. This year, Different Story=2nd Round Knockout. In reference to the Ennis Game, SLC was not outcoached in that game either. The lions were physically more talented and speed wins. To win a state title, it takes a lot of luck, extreme talent, and a few Go Daddy's that can turn a bad play call into a Touchdown.

Now that is depressing. I can now better understand why we opened the CHHS game with 3 straight QB dives into the line of scrimmage. I bet practices were fun running that play over and over again. :rolleyes:

And the bad news is that we have some skill players returning... Sell your tickets.... run.... :rolleyes:

We win as a team and lose as a team. Someone has to sell these kids some hope for next year or they will start looking for something else to do. I think that is what has happened to our friends at GV. They are losing a lot of folks... Energy and vision leave and then the kids start dropping. Why practice all spring all summer, sacrifice, sacrifice, for this...

[toonman]

[QUOTE=Pinion;1015325]You're wrong sir. We (yes, Dragonpants. WE) do need a new coach. We need a coach that's more aggressive and can call plays.

Everybody doesnt want to blame the coach. We have to blame the coach. The reason why we arent playing again this weekend is because we were outcoached. The players couldnt get it done because the coach didnt coach properly.[/QUOTE

You are correct again.

[toonman]

BOTTOM LINE: It all comes down to Jimmy's and Joes, not X's and O's. You can scheme all you want, the fact of the matter is that SLC did not have near the talent of CHill, that was evident in pre-game warm up to Ray Charles. In the Dragon offense, you have to have a trigger man that can make plays in the running game and passing game. Losing Padrone killed this team, they did very well to overcome adversity all year just to go 2 rounds deep. It is easy to second guess, comes down to athletes. As the season progressed, Piland became more and more flustered in the pocket and erratic in throws. I admit, I came on the board and thought he could be the answer, I was wrong but in his defense he had a huge task on his shoulder, after just playing in his 6th varsity game. However, in his defense his wr's dropped about every other pass thrown their way so that plays on the psychi of the QB. It will be a great competition between KW and DP this spring. Things will not change if we don't get more athletic at the skill positions, correct me if you think I'm wrong...but not one player off this years team would have started for the past 6 or 7 previous Dragon teams at the WR, QB, or RB positions. Talent comes and goes, we as Dragons have been blessed to have a great run and this season was not a failure by any means. Injuries plagued this team, Jon Nathan breaks hand just when the 2 back package begins to gash CHill, Seth Jameson knocked out with concussion in first half and his back-up can't fill the outside edge run support gap to save his life. There are lots of factors that go into the loss of the game, I would like to see more agressive play calling just like everyone else, but when our fastest wr looks like he is running in cement...not sure if that's a possiblity. This season in a nut shell comes down to PLAYMAKERS, and we did not have them. You can draw up all the schemes you want, but football comes down to 11 one on one matchups on both sides of the ball. When you have holes in the armour, it will be revealed. The Dragons have always had great team speed, tremendous strength on the Defensive line and Lb's, and an unmatched swagger, and an Accurate QB that makes great Decisions. This year, Different Story=2nd Round Knockout. In reference to the Ennis Game, SLC was not outcoached in that game either. The lions were physically more talented and speed wins. To win a state title, it takes a lot of luck, extreme talent, and a few Go Daddy's that can turn a bad play call into a Touchdown.

There a lot of ifs and buts, along with conjecture in your email, so let me throw out a few what ifs. If Coach Dodge had coached the 2007 and 2008 teams - The Dragons would not have lost to Abilene in 2007 and would have not lost the 3 games in 2008. In 2002 through 2006 the Dragons were successful because of the coaching; the system, preparation, game plan, play calling; irrespective of the players.

Are you trying to say that in the 5 years 2002 to 2006, the Dragons just happened to have the best players in the state and then in 2006 they did not. The only change between 2006 and 2007 was the coach and in the 2007 play-offs the Dragons lost because of coaching. Pure and simple - the coaching.

The Dragons were not successful in 2007 and 2008 because of the poor coaching, lack of a system, lack of preparation, lack of a game plan, poor play calling. The same level of player talent was there, but Wasson does not know how to harness the talent and mold into a cohesive unit. Wasson has not got what it takes to coach a team to a State championship. You just need to look at his resume - 20 years of coaching and not one state championship. How many more years do you give someone who in 20 years has not yet found the winning formula.

The farther removed we are from the Dodge era; the less likely Wasson will be successful.

Let me make my 2009 projections; 4 regular season losses and elimination is the first round of the play-offs.

[drgnbkr]

There a lot of ifs and buts, along with conjecture in your email, so let me throw out a few what ifs. If Coach Dodge had coached the 2007 and 2008 teams - The Dragons would not have lost to Abilene in 2007 and would have not lost the 3 games in 2008. In 2002 through 2006 the Dragons were successful because of the coaching; the system, preparation, game plan, play calling; irrespective of the players.

Are you trying to say that in the 5 years 2002 to 2006, the Dragons just happened to have the best players in the state and then in 2006 they did not. The only change between 2006 and 2007 was the coach and in the 2007 play-offs the Dragons lost because of coaching. Pure and simple - the coaching.

The Dragons were not successful in 2007 and 2008 because of the poor coaching, lack of a system, lack of preparation, lack of a game plan, poor play calling. The same level of player talent was there, but Wasson does not know how to harness the talent and mold into a cohesive unit. Wasson has not got what it takes to coach a team to a State championship. You just need to look at his resume - 20 years of coaching and not one state championship. How many more years do you give someone who in 20 years has not yet found the winning formula.

The farther removed we are from the Dodge era; the less likely Wasson will be successful.

Let me make my 2009 projections; 4 regular season losses and elimination is the first round of the play-offs.

Well, it's an opinion...a strong opinion...but at the end of the day it's still just an opinion.

[TheBigPeach]

Anyone else miss Dodge? :(

[4rings]

Story time for all you.....

Setting: December 2001, Texas Stadium.

Southlake Carroll Dragons vs. Ennis Lions

Final Score 49-17 Ennis Lions

What happend, mid way through the 3rd qtr SLC is winning 17-14. They have the ball. WR #9 for SLC catches a pass on the side line and turns up field.... FUMBLE! Ennis recovers. Not soon after its 49-17.

Who is to blame??

Coaches? Players? Officals?


The problem was SLC was not as good as Ennis. They were out matched, out coached, out everything.

The game against CH this past week, same problems. Out matched, out played, out coached.


You can all scream and holla for a new coach, but its more than a coach.

Sometimes you must re-evaluate yourself and stop blaming others for why you didn't win or succed.
How do you explain Abilene? The head coach must know the capabilities of his players. KP had never taken a snap under center and Wasson has him killing the clock under center. Crazy, but I would think that Wasson would know that he had NEVER taken a snap under center. I asked his father how long KP played QB. He said since 3rd grade, always been in the gun/spread. TD wouldn't make that mistake. Your backup throws for 6 points in the 3rd qtr and drives the team 85 yards for the chance to kick the game winning fg and the coach blows it and still has a time out in his back pocket. To top it off, he doesn't take blame for the loss and leaves it on a 16 year old. He does the same crap after hebron. He says the kids didn't want it. BS. He got his a$$ out coached. CHill adjusted while Wasson and the 3 Stooges sit there and watch. No adjustment = another Carroll early exit. Granted, both starting QBs (RD and KP) are lost due to injury. That did not happen from 2002-2006. However, mental mistakes by the coaches is inexcusable. Coaches have their own "off-season" to go through to get better.

[4rings]

anyone else miss dodge? :(

and mendoza!!!!!

[ScopeUp]

In Reference to the comment that these two teams would have gone undefeated with Dodge as the coach, HIGHLY UNLIKELY. You remove the catalyst from any team, THE QB and you will not win at any level. From Highschool to college to NFL. As for the reference to the fumbled snap, any QB that has ever played the game knows how to take a snap under center as they learn in seventh grade. That team would have lost the next week even if they had beaten Abilene, Why you ask...Because their Catalyst Riley would have been out. Wake up and Realize that you win at any level first and foremost at the QB Position. As for people thinking that the players actually read these boards and it will affect their self-esteem, I think hs kids have better things to do with their time than to read what us wanna be's have to say about our 2 cents on the Program.

[drgnbkr]

In Reference to the comment that these two teams would have gone undefeated with Dodge as the coach, HIGHLY UNLIKELY. You remove the catalyst from any team, THE QB and you will not win at any level. From Highschool to college to NFL. As for the reference to the fumbled snap, any QB that has ever played the game knows how to take a snap under center as they learn in seventh grade. That team would have lost the next week even if they had beaten Abilene, Why you ask...Because their Catalyst Riley would have been out. Wake up and Realize that you win at any level first and foremost at the QB Position. As for people thinking that the players actually read these boards and it will affect their self-esteem, I think hs kids have better things to do with their time than to read what us wanna be's have to say about our 2 cents on the Program.

Absolutely agree! It's next to impossible for any high school team to keep it rolling without the QB...Piland did all he could but was in a tough spot...it had little to do with the coaching.

[4rings]

In Reference to the comment that these two teams would have gone undefeated with Dodge as the coach, HIGHLY UNLIKELY. You remove the catalyst from any team, THE QB and you will not win at any level. From Highschool to college to NFL. As for the reference to the fumbled snap, any QB that has ever played the game knows how to take a snap under center as they learn in seventh grade. That team would have lost the next week even if they had beaten Abilene, Why you ask...Because their Catalyst Riley would have been out. Wake up and Realize that you win at any level first and foremost at the QB Position. As for people thinking that the players actually read these boards and it will affect their self-esteem, I think hs kids have better things to do with their time than to read what us wanna be's have to say about our 2 cents on the Program.

Have you ever taken a snap under center?? If you have, you have 1 more than KP ever did. You just don't go under center without taking practice snaps. Prod=s in the NFL still flub the snap, especially when the #2 comes in for #1. He doesn't get the reps and practice time with the #1s. What makes you think any 7th grader can take a snap? How can you say they would have lost to Hebron in the next round? You don't know how they would have fared. Trey was getting healthier. Did you watch in 2006 when Dodge was hurt against Permian? The 4th quarter was all Trey. The next game against Colleyville it was all Trey. 300 yards. Catalyst yes, but automatic loss, NO. The players do read the board. Unfortunately, they read some of the crap/ Hopefully, they are smart enough not to believe it.

[ScopeUp]

Consider this, you make a great point bc defenses had to respect not only Riley throwing the ball, but Tre scared defenses half to death bc of the big play threat. The difference being Tre, however teams still had to respect the pass w the wr's we had that year. In particular Blake Cantu, teams could not just load up the box and play man on the outside like they were able to all year against SLC this year. When a defense can play with 6-7 man in the box, play man against wr's and our wr's not get released on the outside...problems arise. Riley playing hurt is more of a threat than any of our qb's playing at 100% healthy this year. Tre was never healthy his senior year, Cantu either. It all goes back to Talent in the hay days of SLC, to the talent now. No Arguments, anyone that knows SLC football and has been around it the last 7 years knows that. If not, they are oblivious. Not any seventh grader could take a snap, just any seventh grader that plays QB, it's like riding a bike. You learn and never forget, just a bad break in the Abilene game. No need in beating a dead horse, but it all goes back to Talent depletion

[green day]

Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah...

You're not going to like this, but this thread is turning into a bunch of winey, finger pointing, someone's got to pay, I want more football, whaaaa...

Protect the tradition, boys and girls... has alot more to do than wins and losses!

[crunked9]

There a lot of ifs and buts, along with conjecture in your email, so let me throw out a few what ifs. If Coach Dodge had coached the 2007 and 2008 teams - The Dragons would not have lost to Abilene in 2007 and would have not lost the 3 games in 2008. In 2002 through 2006 the Dragons were successful because of the coaching; the system, preparation, game plan, play calling; irrespective of the players.

Are you trying to say that in the 5 years 2002 to 2006, the Dragons just happened to have the best players in the state and then in 2006 they did not. The only change between 2006 and 2007 was the coach and in the 2007 play-offs the Dragons lost because of coaching. Pure and simple - the coaching.

The Dragons were not successful in 2007 and 2008 because of the poor coaching, lack of a system, lack of preparation, lack of a game plan, poor play calling. The same level of player talent was there, but Wasson does not know how to harness the talent and mold into a cohesive unit. Wasson has not got what it takes to coach a team to a State championship. You just need to look at his resume - 20 years of coaching and not one state championship. How many more years do you give someone who in 20 years has not yet found the winning formula.

The farther removed we are from the Dodge era; the less likely Wasson will be successful.

Let me make my 2009 projections; 4 regular season losses and elimination is the first round of the play-offs.


2007 SLC lost b/c of Dodge getting hurt. And why doesn't anyone ever mention the SLC fumble in the 4th qtr against abilene to give Abilene the go ahead drive.

Not even close in 2008!

[crunked9]

How do you explain Abilene? The head coach must know the capabilities of his players. KP had never taken a snap under center and Wasson has him killing the clock under center. Crazy, but I would think that Wasson would know that he had NEVER taken a snap under center. I asked his father how long KP played QB. He said since 3rd grade, always been in the gun/spread. TD wouldn't make that mistake. Your backup throws for 6 points in the 3rd qtr and drives the team 85 yards for the chance to kick the game winning fg and the coach blows it and still has a time out in his back pocket. To top it off, he doesn't take blame for the loss and leaves it on a 16 year old. He does the same crap after hebron. He says the kids didn't want it. BS. He got his a$$ out coached. CHill adjusted while Wasson and the 3 Stooges sit there and watch. No adjustment = another Carroll early exit. Granted, both starting QBs (RD and KP) are lost due to injury. That did not happen from 2002-2006. However, mental mistakes by the coaches is inexcusable. Coaches have their own "off-season" to go through to get better.


So you are telling me that someone who plays QB from 7th grade on never took a snap under center. That is just dumb.

[crunked9]

and mendoza!!!!!

You must be joking!!!!

[SLC]

You must be joking!!!!

There are several exes and current that arent.

[slcdragonfan]

Here is what I would like to suggest. This is a public forum. The debate has continued and will I am sure. I personally would like to see more of this go private or via PM. I don't want our kids denigrated on this board, they work too hard for that and they are talented. Neither do I think the debate regarding coaching needs to be aired any more, in public. Both sides have stated their positions, and anything beyond is beating a dead horse and starting to get ugly. I personally am getting embarrassed for our community. Can't we somehow work through this without destroying what the Dragon's represent? Teamme. Protect the Tradition. Do not destroy what you love in the name of protecting it.

[SLCfan2407]

In Reference to the comment that these two teams would have gone undefeated with Dodge as the coach, HIGHLY UNLIKELY. You remove the catalyst from any team, THE QB and you will not win at any level. From Highschool to college to NFL. As for the reference to the fumbled snap, any QB that has ever played the game knows how to take a snap under center as they learn in seventh grade. That team would have lost the next week even if they had beaten Abilene, Why you ask...Because their Catalyst Riley would have been out. Wake up and Realize that you win at any level first and foremost at the QB Position. As for people thinking that the players actually read these boards and it will affect their self-esteem, I think hs kids have better things to do with their time than to read what us wanna be's have to say about our 2 cents on the Program.

Cedar Hill did it with William Cole, WHo was not the starting Qb until I believe the 3rd game of the season when their starter went down. What made them successful was great coaching. William Cole was a great talent no doubt. But Maguire and his staff are great also, as shown on last Saturday's game. We got outcoached, and that is not acceptable. We did not make any adjustments. Granted we were up 10-0 at the half. Did we need adjustments? We obviously did, because We let them run off 28 straight points. We were up 9-0 on Trinity at the half in 2006, Trinity came out quick and took a 15 or 16-9 lead by the end of the third. WE MADE ADJUSTMENTS, because of great coaching and ended up winning because adjusted on sideline. Wasson has not been a good fit, and no one should settle for mediocrity. Especially not here in this program! I would be willing to say Dodge lost less than 10 games while at Carroll in what 7 years? Wasson already has 5 in two! With Dodge, he had a quarterfinals appearance, and semi-finals appearance, and 5 title game appearances. Say what you want, but Wasson and these early exits must do exactly that, take an early exit!!

We never should have lost last weekend, Nothing being taken away from CHill because they didn't quit for the second week in a row, but we lost because we couldnt adjust and that falls on coaching.

[HebronHawk]

Consider this, you make a great point bc defenses had to respect not only Riley throwing the ball, but Tre scared defenses half to death bc of the big play threat. The difference being Tre, however teams still had to respect the pass w the wr's we had that year. In particular Blake Cantu, teams could not just load up the box and play man on the outside like they were able to all year against SLC this year. When a defense can play with 6-7 man in the box, play man against wr's and our wr's not get released on the outside...problems arise. Riley playing hurt is more of a threat than any of our qb's playing at 100% healthy this year. Tre was never healthy his senior year, Cantu either. It all goes back to Talent in the hay days of SLC, to the talent now. No Arguments, anyone that knows SLC football and has been around it the last 7 years knows that. If not, they are oblivious. Not any seventh grader could take a snap, just any seventh grader that plays QB, it's like riding a bike. You learn and never forget, just a bad break in the Abilene game. No need in beating a dead horse, but it all goes back to Talent depletion

Tommy Avers is a pretty good RB.

[Dragonfan2004]

Thats fine. I'm of the opinion that its shared both ways.. Players and coaches.. We know you dont fire players, they might not play and can be replaced, but cant be fired if their not performing.

So what do you do if a coach isnt performing?

And how long does he get when the results arent what its believed they should be?

How many years do you give, before you say its time to go in a different direction?

ohhhhh. I get it now! You want to be like the Cowboys and replace your coach and go in a new direction every 2 to 3 years so we can go on a 16 year playoff draught. Nice :rolleyes: Come on, give him some time. The kids are starting to come around and forget about Dodge and are starting to buy into Hal. Be patient. Don't form a possey and ruin what we built just yet.

[crunked9]

There are several exes and current that arent.

I can think of a former DC that is much better

[crunked9]

Cedar Hill did it with William Cole, WHo was not the starting Qb until I believe the 3rd game of the season when their starter went down. What made them successful was great coaching. William Cole was a great talent no doubt. But Maguire and his staff are great also, as shown on last Saturday's game. We got outcoached, and that is not acceptable. We did not make any adjustments. Granted we were up 10-0 at the half. Did we need adjustments? We obviously did, because We let them run off 28 straight points. We were up 9-0 on Trinity at the half in 2006, Trinity came out quick and took a 15 or 16-9 lead by the end of the third. WE MADE ADJUSTMENTS, because of great coaching and ended up winning because adjusted on sideline. Wasson has not been a good fit, and no one should settle for mediocrity. Especially not here in this program! I would be willing to say Dodge lost less than 10 games while at Carroll in what 7 years? Wasson already has 5 in two! With Dodge, he had a quarterfinals appearance, and semi-finals appearance, and 5 title game appearances. Say what you want, but Wasson and these early exits must do exactly that, take an early exit!!

We never should have lost last weekend, Nothing being taken away from CHill because they didn't quit for the second week in a row, but we lost because we couldnt adjust and that falls on coaching.


You obviously don't know much about Carroll Football.

[Dragonfan2004]

I agree with much of what you have stated. However despite being in the business for over 20 years, Wasson has never put together a state championship program at any previous head coaching assignments at Italy, San Saba, Pittsburg, Kerens, Mexia, Liberty Hill, Fossil Ridge, etc.

In addition there was no legacy program left behind at these schools and today none of these programs are perennial contenders in their classification. I am sure Wasson is a great person and human being, but over 20 years all he has been is a journeyman coach, without any achievements in his resume. As a CEO of Dragons Inc, I would not have made this hire.

Would you have hired Todd Dodge? I don't think his resume was any better was it?

[Dragonfan2004]

Cedar Hill did it with William Cole, WHo was not the starting Qb until I believe the 3rd game of the season when their starter went down. What made them successful was great coaching. William Cole was a great talent no doubt. But Maguire and his staff are great also, as shown on last Saturday's game. We got outcoached, and that is not acceptable. We did not make any adjustments. Granted we were up 10-0 at the half. Did we need adjustments? We obviously did, because We let them run off 28 straight points. We were up 9-0 on Trinity at the half in 2006, Trinity came out quick and took a 15 or 16-9 lead by the end of the third. WE MADE ADJUSTMENTS, because of great coaching and ended up winning because adjusted on sideline. Wasson has not been a good fit, and no one should settle for mediocrity. Especially not here in this program! I would be willing to say Dodge lost less than 10 games while at Carroll in what 7 years? Wasson already has 5 in two! With Dodge, he had a quarterfinals appearance, and semi-finals appearance, and 5 title game appearances. Say what you want, but Wasson and these early exits must do exactly that, take an early exit!!

We never should have lost last weekend, Nothing being taken away from CHill because they didn't quit for the second week in a row, but we lost because we couldnt adjust and that falls on coaching.

We won because Trinity chose to fake punt instead of pin us back. Not because of "Great Adjustments". Were you at that game?

[CCCSportsFan]

Here is what I would like to suggest. This is a public forum. The debate has continued and will I am sure. I personally would like to see more of this go private or via PM. I don't want our kids denigrated on this board, they work too hard for that and they are talented. Neither do I think the debate regarding coaching needs to be aired any more, in public. Both sides have stated their positions, and anything beyond is beating a dead horse and starting to get ugly. I personally am getting embarrassed for our community. Can't we somehow work through this without destroying what the Dragon's represent? Teamme. Protect the Tradition. Do not destroy what you love in the name of protecting it.

I'm now with you SLCdragonfan... I've got opinions on this and will share them in PM's...

[SLC]

ohhhhh. I get it now! You want to be like the Cowboys and replace your coach and go in a new direction every 2 to 3 years so we can go on a 16 year playoff draught. Nice :rolleyes: Come on, give him some time. The kids are starting to come around and forget about Dodge and are starting to buy into Hal. Be patient. Don't form a possey and ruin what we built just yet.


Not saying that at all... Just asked the questions.

[SLC]

I can think of a former DC that is much better


Maybe so.. And I know who your thinking of... And thats fine.. There all just thoughts. It's not out of the realm to think there are several ex coaches who could do a great job.

[SLC]

Would you have hired Todd Dodge? I don't think his resume was any better was it?


It wasnt. Todd did have a knack for going to faltering programs and turning them around by the time he left though. But overall you are correct.. the results weighed in the area of championships in their careers before Carroll are the same.

[Green Dragon]

I'm now with you SLCdragonfan... I've got opinions on this and will share them in PM's...

I'm going under radar also. Enough of the public bashing. Let the powers that are be wise and insightful as to the future Dragons coming up the system and the direction they go.

Must be getting in that Thanksgiving spirit as I am grateful for the community I live in to care so much about not just the Carroll football team, but all the things that surround the people that live in and around it.

[texas-buckeye]

WE didn't move to Southlake to win state championships. WE all most likely moved here to give our children the opportunity to succeed academically in a safe community that prides it self on mentoring young men and women to become the best they can be!! Those are the real "traditions" of Southlake Carroll.

One of the "perks" of these great traditions is success in our athletic programs.


Ragging on 16-17 year old kids in a public forum is not part of that tradition. I am sure none of them ever threw an interception, fumbled a football, missed a kick or dropped a pass intentionally. Mistakes are made and we learn from them, it's part of growing up.

[SLCfan2407]

You obviously don't know much about Carroll Football.

THE 02 team was no where near the best of the bunch...I still do not know much either huh ;) How many games did he lose while at Carroll hot shot? I know in the last 5 it was just one, and in the previous two it would more than likely be less than 9. So therefore that would make my statement correct.

TS, I have forgotten more football than you will ever know sir. Have a good day

[SLC]

We won because Trinity chose to fake punt instead of pin us back. Not because of "Great Adjustments". Were you at that game?

In all fairness to Trinity and Lineweaver making that call...

#1. Lineweaver made the call because he felt that was his best chance to win vs putting his defense back on the field against our offense.

#2. We still had to stop the fake.. We had 2 players back, so they out numbered us at the line of scrimmage.

#3. If they had punted instead of faking it, who knows if we wouldnt have drove the field and scored anyway, it could have been blocked, we could have returned it for a touchdown, we could have fumbled it and gave it right back... We will never know... There would have been plenty of time to drive the field and score had they have punted it.

One thing I do know is there probably wouldnt have been many teams that could have stayed in that game and won it without great coaching... And that is true of both teams that day.

[SLCfan2407]

We won because Trinity chose to fake punt instead of pin us back. Not because of "Great Adjustments". Were you at that game?

Who are you to say our offensive wouldnt have drove the length of the field? How far would it actually have been? On a great day, that punter may have made us drive 60 yards. He was not a great punter at all. And we won because we made adjustments. To hold Trinity to only 21 points, with their rushing attack, was very impressive. Cedar Hills rushing attack this year was not comparable to that of trinity, and we surrendered 31 points in the second half[/SIZE] [SIZE="2"] Not very good adjustments if you ask me.

And yes sir, I was at the game! I had a very close up view of the game actually. Did you just listen to it on the radio? ;)

[SLCfan2407]

In all fairness to Trinity and Lineweaver making that call...

#1. Lineweaver made the call because he felt that was his best chance to win vs putting his defense back on the field against our offense.

#2. We still had to stop the fake.. We had 2 players back, so they out numbered us at the line of scrimmage.

#3. If they had punted instead of faking it, who knows if we wouldnt have drove the field and scored anyway, it could have been blocked, we could have returned it for a touchdown, we could have fumbled it and gave it right back... We will never know... There would have been plenty of time to drive the field and score had they have punted it.

One thing I do know is there probably wouldnt have been many teams that could have stayed in that game and won it without great coaching... And that is true of both teams that day.

You said it better than me, I do not know who that guy is, but to say we won simply because of that play is ludicrous. We won because we held Trinity to only 21 points and because we scored 22. We held them to their season low and they held us to our season low in scoring. Like you said GREAT coaching. Has anyone said those words leaving a game in the past couple years? I have heard a lot of banter about play calling, schemes, etc...

[green day]

Looks like the tone is turning, and since we are now officially in off-season mode, maybe we can start taking a peek at how the class of 2010, 2011, and probably some of 2012 will integrate to make another run next fall.

In the interim, I will tell you I had great fun this past season, and what I'll miss most is those moments when the football action on the field called for high fiving a total stranger sitting in and around. Dragon pride, baby!

[Green Dragon]

Looks like the tone is turning, and since we are now officially in off-season mode, maybe we can start taking a peek at how the class of 2010, 2011, and probably some of 2012 will integrate to make another run next fall.

In the interim, I will tell you I had great fun this past season, and what I'll miss most is those moments when the football action on the field called for high fiving a total stranger sitting in and around. Dragon pride, baby!

I am with you totally on this. I also have high fived total strangers who are next to me when our boys make a great play, sometimes getting the strangest looks. Like the little grandmother who was watching her grandchild who was participating somewhere on the field that day who raised her small hand to slap mine and after several times of doing that, leans over to me and says "I like sitting next to you with your dragon spirit, it makes me feel young again" Made my day! It's just a great feeling!!!:D

[crunked9]

THE 02 team was no where near the best of the bunch...I still do not know much either huh ;) How many games did he lose while at Carroll hot shot? I know in the last 5 it was just one, and in the previous two it would more than likely be less than 9. So therefore that would make my statement correct.

TS, I have forgotten more football than you will ever know sir. Have a good day

First off, yes the '02 team was the best. But we wont get into that.

Second, in TD's first 2 years at SLC he lost............... 10 games! So your statement of him losing less than 10 games is ignorant!

[farmerfan]

Happy Thanksgiving Dragon Friends.

Remember when all seems to be bad in the world, it could be worse. You could be the "Plano City Champions"

[gasman]

BOTTOM LINE: It all comes down to Jimmy's and Joes, not X's and O's. You can scheme all you want, the fact of the matter is that SLC did not have near the talent of CHill, that was evident in pre-game warm up to Ray Charles. In the Dragon offense, you have to have a trigger man that can make plays in the running game and passing game. Losing Padrone killed this team, they did very well to overcome adversity all year just to go 2 rounds deep. It is easy to second guess, comes down to athletes. As the season progressed, Piland became more and more flustered in the pocket and erratic in throws. I admit, I came on the board and thought he could be the answer, I was wrong but in his defense he had a huge task on his shoulder, after just playing in his 6th varsity game. However, in his defense his wr's dropped about every other pass thrown their way so that plays on the psychi of the QB. It will be a great competition between KW and DP this spring. Things will not change if we don't get more athletic at the skill positions, correct me if you think I'm wrong...but not one player off this years team would have started for the past 6 or 7 previous Dragon teams at the WR, QB, or RB positions. Talent comes and goes, we as Dragons have been blessed to have a great run and this season was not a failure by any means. Injuries plagued this team, Jon Nathan breaks hand just when the 2 back package begins to gash CHill, Seth Jameson knocked out with concussion in first half and his back-up can't fill the outside edge run support gap to save his life. There are lots of factors that go into the loss of the game, I would like to see more agressive play calling just like everyone else, but when our fastest wr looks like he is running in cement...not sure if that's a possiblity. This season in a nut shell comes down to PLAYMAKERS, and we did not have them. You can draw up all the schemes you want, but football comes down to 11 one on one matchups on both sides of the ball. When you have holes in the armour, it will be revealed. The Dragons have always had great team speed, tremendous strength on the Defensive line and Lb's, and an unmatched swagger, and an Accurate QB that makes great Decisions. This year, Different Story=2nd Round Knockout. In reference to the Ennis Game, SLC was not outcoached in that game either. The lions were physically more talented and speed wins. To win a state title, it takes a lot of luck, extreme talent, and a few Go Daddy's that can turn a bad play call into a Touchdown.

I totally disagree. There is alot of talent on this 2008 team. This team ran the same plays over and over called by the coaching staff. They were not put into a situation to make the big plays because of the repeatative play calling. Sometimes that can work but not now because some teams that play SLC are finding ways to shut down the spread offense. Coach Wasson had confidence that these plays would work if everything is executed right but that was not the story. CHILL knew what was coming their way. I have personally watched my son's JV games and could guess right on the money what plays they were going to run because of repeatition. This worked on the JV level but the plays on the varsity should have some variety. I really beleive that a scout could come and watch a SLC JV game and be prepared for the SLC varsity. No disrespect to the coaches, they just thought it would work and it did for some of the teams we played. I do think that coach Wasson is a good coach, he just needs to make some adjustments. I still love the Dragons no matter what. They are the best bunch of kids I have seen in a long time. They will bounce back!!:)

[CCCSportsFan]

I totally disagree. There is alot of talent on this 2008 team. This team ran the same plays over and over called by the coaching staff. They were not put into a situation to make the big plays because of the repeatative play calling. Sometimes that can work but not now because some teams that play SLC are finding ways to shut down the spread offense. Coach Wasson had confidence that these plays would work if everything is executed right but that was not the story. CHILL knew what was coming their way. I have personally watched my son's JV games and could guess right on the money what plays they were going to run because of repeatition. This worked on the JV level but the plays on the varsity should have some variety. I really beleive that a scout could come and watch a SLC JV game and be prepared for the SLC varsity. No disrespect to the coaches, they just thought it would work and it did for some of the teams we played. I do think that coach Wasson is a good coach, he just needs to make some adjustments. I still love the Dragons no matter what. They are the best bunch of kids I have seen in a long time. They will bounce back!!:)

Interesting point Gasman. Being a fellow JV Dad, I observed a lot of similarities from Thursday night to Friday night.

I've got to believe the other schools use the same method of assigning varsity positoin coaches to coach their JV teams. If this is the case, the coaches you refer to above are on the sidelines Thursday night.

[Green Dragon]

Happy Thanksgiving Dragon Friends.

Remember when all seems to be bad in the world, it could be worse. You could be the "Plano City Champions"

Right back at ya Farmer. Made me smile...

Thanks for all your Dragon support and colorful banter on here.

[gasman]

Face it....you guys were blessed in the past years. You didn't have a Luna, Newton, Dodge, Wasson, sticky fingered pain in the butt Renfro, etc. These kids you had did pretty well....just no ring. Give em a letter and the same pats on the back you gave those other kids. They come and go......and get off the coach. He didn't have those same luxuries.
Much easier to look like a genius coach with studs. You've had your share and will get more.


Come on E-Vol-ution,

I saw Lufkin get the pants beat off them by SLC twice in the semi finals of 2003 and 2005. My son played for LUFkin and Lufkin had 10 of their starts already commited to Div 1 schools. SLC players will tell you that they new that Lufkin had sronger atheletes than they did. A coach can take a team and motivate them and have the right game plan to successfully beat a good team. SLC picked Lufkin apart and won those games 33 - 30 and 37-30. Everyone of these players for 2008 had enough heart to go all the way to state!!!!!!

[Maxthedog]

We won because Trinity chose to fake punt instead of pin us back. Not because of "Great Adjustments". Were you at that game?

I will go over this one more time:
Trinity has the ball at the Trinity 38. Their punter has not had a decent punt all day. Back him up 20 yards, punting from his own 15. EVEN if he hits a 40 yard punt(Unlikely), with a minimal 10 yard return(could have been ALOT more as SLC was trying to get field position with a return), the ball is now at or about the same spot it was snapped from. The fake punt, if it works, wins the game. The Trinity up-back was stopped at the Trinity 35 or so. It's a wash.
The offense still had to score, the defense still had to stop them. The fake punt was a non-issue.

[toonman]

Would you have hired Todd Dodge? I don't think his resume was any better was it?

I would have hired a young coach with new ideas rather than a geriatric coach with no idea.

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

nm

[toonman]

We won because Trinity chose to fake punt instead of pin us back. Not because of "Great Adjustments". Were you at that game?

Riley Dodge still had to score the winning TD. The fake punt is worth 0 points.

[CCHS77]

Come on E-Vol-ution,

I saw Lufkin get the pants beat off them by SLC twice in the semi finals of 2003 and 2005. My son played for LUFkin and Lufkin had 10 of their starts already commited to Div 1 schools. SLC players will tell you that they new that Lufkin had sronger atheletes than they did. A coach can take a team and motivate them and have the right game plan to successfully beat a good team. SLC picked Lufkin apart and won those games 33 - 30 and 37-30. Everyone of these players for 2008 had enough heart to go all the way to state!!!!!!


We played Lufkin in '02, '04 and '05.

[dragonpants]

BOTTOM LINE: It all comes down to Jimmy's and Joes, not X's and O's. You can scheme all you want, the fact of the matter is that SLC did not have near the talent of CHill, that was evident in pre-game warm up to Ray Charles. In the Dragon offense, you have to have a trigger man that can make plays in the running game and passing game. Losing Padrone killed this team, they did very well to overcome adversity all year just to go 2 rounds deep. It is easy to second guess, comes down to athletes. As the season progressed, Piland became more and more flustered in the pocket and erratic in throws. I admit, I came on the board and thought he could be the answer, I was wrong but in his defense he had a huge task on his shoulder, after just playing in his 6th varsity game. However, in his defense his wr's dropped about every other pass thrown their way so that plays on the psychi of the QB. It will be a great competition between KW and DP this spring. Things will not change if we don't get more athletic at the skill positions, correct me if you think I'm wrong...but not one player off this years team would have started for the past 6 or 7 previous Dragon teams at the WR, QB, or RB positions. Talent comes and goes, we as Dragons have been blessed to have a great run and this season was not a failure by any means. Injuries plagued this team, Jon Nathan breaks hand just when the 2 back package begins to gash CHill, Seth Jameson knocked out with concussion in first half and his back-up can't fill the outside edge run support gap to save his life. There are lots of factors that go into the loss of the game, I would like to see more agressive play calling just like everyone else, but when our fastest wr looks like he is running in cement...not sure if that's a possiblity. This season in a nut shell comes down to PLAYMAKERS, and we did not have them. You can draw up all the schemes you want, but football comes down to 11 one on one matchups on both sides of the ball. When you have holes in the armour, it will be revealed. The Dragons have always had great team speed, tremendous strength on the Defensive line and Lb's, and an unmatched swagger, and an Accurate QB that makes great Decisions. This year, Different Story=2nd Round Knockout. In reference to the Ennis Game, SLC was not outcoached in that game either. The lions were physically more talented and speed wins. To win a state title, it takes a lot of luck, extreme talent, and a few Go Daddy's that can turn a bad play call into a Touchdown.

OK scope lets assume you are correct, explain the defense please.
Not trying to be difficult but why did completely stop CH in the first half and get run over in the second half?

[dragonpants]

There a lot of ifs and buts, along with conjecture in your email, so let me throw out a few what ifs. If Coach Dodge had coached the 2007 and 2008 teams - The Dragons would not have lost to Abilene in 2007 and would have not lost the 3 games in 2008. In 2002 through 2006 the Dragons were successful because of the coaching; the system, preparation, game plan, play calling; irrespective of the players.

Are you trying to say that in the 5 years 2002 to 2006, the Dragons just happened to have the best players in the state and then in 2006 they did not. The only change between 2006 and 2007 was the coach and in the 2007 play-offs the Dragons lost because of coaching. Pure and simple - the coaching.

The Dragons were not successful in 2007 and 2008 because of the poor coaching, lack of a system, lack of preparation, lack of a game plan, poor play calling. The same level of player talent was there, but Wasson does not know how to harness the talent and mold into a cohesive unit. Wasson has not got what it takes to coach a team to a State championship. You just need to look at his resume - 20 years of coaching and not one state championship. How many more years do you give someone who in 20 years has not yet found the winning formula.

The farther removed we are from the Dodge era; the less likely Wasson will be successful.

Let me make my 2009 projections; 4 regular season losses and elimination is the first round of the play-offs.

That is too harsh. Agree or disagree on the Coach, he is going to be back next year.

[gasman]

We played Lufkin in '02, '04 and '05.


You are right. I saw the 02 and 04 games. I was not at the 05 game but that was a butt kicking as well. I am glad to be at SLC!!:notworthy

[dragonpants]

In Reference to the comment that these two teams would have gone undefeated with Dodge as the coach, HIGHLY UNLIKELY. You remove the catalyst from any team, THE QB and you will not win at any level. From Highschool to college to NFL. As for the reference to the fumbled snap, any QB that has ever played the game knows how to take a snap under center as they learn in seventh grade. That team would have lost the next week even if they had beaten Abilene, Why you ask...Because their Catalyst Riley would have been out. Wake up and Realize that you win at any level first and foremost at the QB Position. As for people thinking that the players actually read these boards and it will affect their self-esteem, I think hs kids have better things to do with their time than to read what us wanna be's have to say about our 2 cents on the Program.

Really two super bowl winners. Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer?
I agree you need to have a quarterback that can operate in your system.
So if that is the case why did we not operate as a running team if what I assume you are saying is that DP could not run our typical spread. Take one of our reserve OT's and make him a tight end. Wider splits in the line to create running routes.
I have a 7th grader and their quarterback has no clue how to take a snap from center.
I want to support Hal and I do, but he needs to step it up.

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Just out of curiosity I started thinking back about past offensive skill position groups the last 5-6 years. I would've included 2002 but I just couldn't remember back that far (sorry crunked, you're officially old). Here's the list I came up with of the future collegiate athletes on those teams... just offensive skill positions. I don't want this to be perceived as me saying anything negative about current kids, because it's certainly not. Instead, it's just recognition of how freakishly blessed the past Carroll teams were offensively during TD's run.

2003 (6):
Chase Daniel ((Junior) Missouri), Aaron Luna ((Junior) Rice baseball), Kenton Gedwed ((Junior) Baylor baseball), Drew Williamson (Texas A&M), McKay Jacobson ((Sophomore) BYU), Clint Renfro ((Sophomore) TCU). (Worth mentioning: Gary Richardson).

2004 (5): Chase Daniel (Missouri), Aaron Luna (Rice baseball), Kenton Gedwed (Baylor baseball), McKay Jacobson ((Junior) BYU), Clint Renfro ((Junior)TCU)

2005 (8): Greg McElroy (Alabama), McKay Jacobson (BYU), Clint Renfro (TCU), Evan Fentriss (Rice), Corbin Smiter (Rice), Anthony Ford (Georgetown), Riley Dodge ((Sophomore) UNT), Tre Newton ((Sophomore) Texas)

2006 (5): Riley Dodge ((Junior) UNT), Tre Newton ((Junior) Texas), Blake Cantu ((Junior) Oregon), Anthony Ford (Georgetown), Ethan Cunningham ((Junior) William Jewell) (Worth mentioning: Chris Brainard, Blake Tomlin)

2007 (5): Riley Dodge (UNT), Tre Newton (Texas), Blake Cantu (Oregon), Kyle Padron ((Junior) SMU), Ethan Cunningham (William Jewell) (Worth mentioning: Chris Brainard, Jared Freeman)

2008 (1): Kyle Padron (SMU) - Injured half of the year. Could see a couple of the juniors ending up playing ball somewhere.

[SLC]

Looks like the tone is turning, and since we are now officially in off-season mode, maybe we can start taking a peek at how the class of 2010, 2011, and probably some of 2012 will integrate to make another run next fall.

In the interim, I will tell you I had great fun this past season, and what I'll miss most is those moments when the football action on the field called for high fiving a total stranger sitting in and around. Dragon pride, baby!



I agree sir.... Those were great moments... I even got some Dragon ladies/moms to get in on the action.

God I love the Green.:)

[SLC]

First off, yes the '02 team was the best. But we wont get into that.

Second, in TD's first 2 years at SLC he lost............... 10 games! So your statement of him losing less than 10 games is ignorant!

Though his total stands at 11.

And I disagree that 02 was the best.

[SLC]

Happy Thanksgiving Dragon Friends.

Remember when all seems to be bad in the world, it could be worse. You could be the "Plano City Champions"



FF to the rescue, to give me one of these>>>>>>:laugh

[crunked9]

Just out of curiosity I started thinking back about past offensive skill position groups the last 5-6 years. I would've included 2002 but I just couldn't remember back that far (sorry crunked, you're officially old). Here's the list I came up with of the future collegiate athletes on those teams... just offensive skill positions. I don't want this to be perceived as me saying anything negative about current kids, because it's certainly not. Instead, it's just recognition of how freakishly blessed the past Carroll teams were offensively during TD's run.

2003 (6):
Chase Daniel ((Junior) Missouri), Aaron Luna ((Junior) Rice baseball), Kenton Gedwed ((Junior) Baylor baseball), Drew Williamson (Texas A&M), McKay Jacobson ((Sophomore) BYU), Clint Renfro ((Sophomore) TCU). (Worth mentioning: Gary Richardson).

2004 (5): Chase Daniel (Missouri), Aaron Luna (Rice baseball), Kenton Gedwed (Baylor baseball), McKay Jacobson ((Junior) BYU), Clint Renfro ((Junior)TCU)

2005 (8): Greg McElroy (Alabama), McKay Jacobson (BYU), Clint Renfro (TCU), Evan Fentriss (Rice), Corbin Smiter (Rice), Anthony Ford (Georgetown), Riley Dodge ((Sophomore) UNT), Tre Newton ((Sophomore) Texas)

2006 (5): Riley Dodge ((Junior) UNT), Tre Newton ((Junior) Texas), Blake Cantu ((Junior) Oregon), Anthony Ford (Georgetown), Ethan Cunningham ((Junior) William Jewell) (Worth mentioning: Chris Brainard, Blake Tomlin)

2007 (5): Riley Dodge (UNT), Tre Newton (Texas), Blake Cantu (Oregon), Kyle Padron ((Junior) SMU), Ethan Cunningham (William Jewell) (Worth mentioning: Chris Brainard, Jared Freeman)

2008 (1): Kyle Padron (SMU) - Injured half of the year. Could see a couple of the juniors ending up playing ball somewhere.

2002 (5): Wasson(Texas State), Chandler(Iowa, Chargers), Hansen(OU,ACU), Sellari(HSU baseball), Daniel(Soph, Missouri)

[crunked9]

Though his total stands at 11.

And I disagree that 02 was the best.

But 11 != 10 :D

And yes 2002 == best

[CCHS77]

2002 (5): Wasson(Texas State), Chandler(Iowa, Chargers), Hansen(OU,ACU), Sellari(HSU baseball), Daniel(Soph, Missouri)

'02 SR Defense;
Hargis (SMU) Hoy (Georgetown) Morgan (UTA track) Flynn (Trinty) Blackburn (SMU) Williams (Princeton) Benoist (Sam Houston) Meritt (Tulane)

[CCCSportsFan]

Just out of curiosity I started thinking back about past offensive skill position groups the last 5-6 years. I would've included 2002 but I just couldn't remember back that far (sorry crunked, you're officially old). Here's the list I came up with of the future collegiate athletes on those teams... just offensive skill positions. I don't want this to be perceived as me saying anything negative about current kids, because it's certainly not. Instead, it's just recognition of how freakishly blessed the past Carroll teams were offensively during TD's run.

2003 (6):
Chase Daniel ((Junior) Missouri), Aaron Luna ((Junior) Rice baseball), Kenton Gedwed ((Junior) Baylor baseball), Drew Williamson (Texas A&M), McKay Jacobson ((Sophomore) BYU), Clint Renfro ((Sophomore) TCU). (Worth mentioning: Gary Richardson).

2004 (5): Chase Daniel (Missouri), Aaron Luna (Rice baseball), Kenton Gedwed (Baylor baseball), McKay Jacobson ((Junior) BYU), Clint Renfro ((Junior)TCU)

2005 (8): Greg McElroy (Alabama), McKay Jacobson (BYU), Clint Renfro (TCU), Evan Fentriss (Rice), Corbin Smiter (Rice), Anthony Ford (Georgetown), Riley Dodge ((Sophomore) UNT), Tre Newton ((Sophomore) Texas)

2006 (5): Riley Dodge ((Junior) UNT), Tre Newton ((Junior) Texas), Blake Cantu ((Junior) Oregon), Anthony Ford (Georgetown), Ethan Cunningham ((Junior) William Jewell) (Worth mentioning: Chris Brainard, Blake Tomlin)

2007 (5): Riley Dodge (UNT), Tre Newton (Texas), Blake Cantu (Oregon), Kyle Padron ((Junior) SMU), Ethan Cunningham (William Jewell) (Worth mentioning: Chris Brainard, Jared Freeman)

2008 (1): Kyle Padron (SMU) - Injured half of the year. Could see a couple of the juniors ending up playing ball somewhere.

Oak, I know you're naming the just the O skill positions in this post, but think back to the number of O-lineman that are now playing collegiate ball: Michael Prince (Missouri), Justin Drescher (Colorado), Adam Uli (UT), Mitch Enright (SMU), Sam Schwartzstein (Stanford), Jake Jackson (Baylor), Nick Leppo (UNT) and Robert Hill (Utah State). These guys made life a lot easier for our QB and RB :)

[dragonpants]

just out of curiosity i started thinking back about past offensive skill position groups the last 5-6 years. I would've included 2002 but i just couldn't remember back that far (sorry crunked, you're officially old). Here's the list i came up with of the future collegiate athletes on those teams... Just offensive skill positions. I don't want this to be perceived as me saying anything negative about current kids, because it's certainly not. Instead, it's just recognition of how freakishly blessed the past carroll teams were offensively during td's run.

2003 (6):
Chase daniel ((junior) missouri), aaron luna ((junior) rice baseball), kenton gedwed ((junior) baylor baseball), drew williamson (texas a&m), mckay jacobson ((sophomore) byu), clint renfro ((sophomore) tcu). (worth mentioning: Gary richardson).

2004 (5): Chase daniel (missouri), aaron luna (rice baseball), kenton gedwed (baylor baseball), mckay jacobson ((junior) byu), clint renfro ((junior)tcu)

2005 (8): Greg mcelroy (alabama), mckay jacobson (byu), clint renfro (tcu), evan fentriss (rice), corbin smiter (rice), anthony ford (georgetown), riley dodge ((sophomore) unt), tre newton ((sophomore) texas)

2006 (5): Riley dodge ((junior) unt), tre newton ((junior) texas), blake cantu ((junior) oregon), anthony ford (georgetown), ethan cunningham ((junior) william jewell) (worth mentioning: Chris brainard, blake tomlin)

2007 (5): Riley dodge (unt), tre newton (texas), blake cantu (oregon), kyle padron ((junior) smu), ethan cunningham (william jewell) (worth mentioning: Chris brainard, jared freeman)

2008 (1): Kyle padron (smu) - injured half of the year. Could see a couple of the juniors ending up playing ball somewhere.

nm

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

2007 Derek Tomlin UNT but decided not to play football

2008 Braydon Burnett Missouri, Jackson Richards Jr Texas Tech, Cade already has offers but is undecided so that makes 4 and we started a bunch of Juniors, pretty good group.


You're correct that there are a lot of D players missing... that's because it was just a list of OFFENSIVE SKILL PLAYERS. ;)

[toonman]

Just out of curiosity I started thinking back about past offensive skill position groups the last 5-6 years. I would've included 2002 but I just couldn't remember back that far (sorry crunked, you're officially old). Here's the list I came up with of the future collegiate athletes on those teams... just offensive skill positions. I don't want this to be perceived as me saying anything negative about current kids, because it's certainly not. Instead, it's just recognition of how freakishly blessed the past Carroll teams were offensively during TD's run.

2003 (6):
Chase Daniel ((Junior) Missouri), Aaron Luna ((Junior) Rice baseball), Kenton Gedwed ((Junior) Baylor baseball), Drew Williamson (Texas A&M), McKay Jacobson ((Sophomore) BYU), Clint Renfro ((Sophomore) TCU). (Worth mentioning: Gary Richardson).

2004 (5): Chase Daniel (Missouri), Aaron Luna (Rice baseball), Kenton Gedwed (Baylor baseball), McKay Jacobson ((Junior) BYU), Clint Renfro ((Junior)TCU)

2005 (8): Greg McElroy (Alabama), McKay Jacobson (BYU), Clint Renfro (TCU), Evan Fentriss (Rice), Corbin Smiter (Rice), Anthony Ford (Georgetown), Riley Dodge ((Sophomore) UNT), Tre Newton ((Sophomore) Texas)

2006 (5): Riley Dodge ((Junior) UNT), Tre Newton ((Junior) Texas), Blake Cantu ((Junior) Oregon), Anthony Ford (Georgetown), Ethan Cunningham ((Junior) William Jewell) (Worth mentioning: Chris Brainard, Blake Tomlin)

2007 (5): Riley Dodge (UNT), Tre Newton (Texas), Blake Cantu (Oregon), Kyle Padron ((Junior) SMU), Ethan Cunningham (William Jewell) (Worth mentioning: Chris Brainard, Jared Freeman)

2008 (1): Kyle Padron (SMU) - Injured half of the year. Could see a couple of the juniors ending up playing ball somewhere.

OK. Were the Teams good because of the kids or were the kids good because of the Teams. If the Dragons had not gone to 5 consecutive state championships would have all the D1 offers been made.

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Oak, I know you're naming the just the O skill positions in this post, but think back to the number of O-lineman that are now playing collegiate ball: Michael Prince (Missouri), Justin Drescher (Colorado), Adam Uli (UT), Mitch Enright (SMU), Sam Schwartzstein (Stanford), Jake Jackson (Baylor), Nick Leppo (UNT) and Robert Hill (Utah State). These guys made life a lot easier for our QB and RB :)


ABSOLUTELY. Unfortunately, the skill players were the ones whose names I remembered and I didn't have rosters to reference in order to get the big uglies. Undoubtedly those groups had some great OL, as well as phenomenal skill talent. When people from SLC evaluate this group and compare it to those groups, it's only fair that these names be mentioned to really put it in perspective how loaded those squads were.

[dragonpants]

You're correct that there are a lot of D players missing... that's because it was just a list of OFFENSIVE SKILL PLAYERS. ;)

I caught that and edited. I get rambunctious sometimes, what can I say :D

[SLC]

But 11 != 10 :D

And yes 2002 == best



I know you have your reasons for saying 02 was the best, but I just cant comprehend the 02 team being better than the 05 or 06 version.. Mostly because of who those teams played those seasons.. For what is worth I personally take the 06 team over any, because of the insane defense they played that season, and probably over most in Texas of all time.

2002

725- points scored

231- points allowed


2005

764- points scored

256- Points allowed


2006

709- points scored

179- points allowed

[dragonpants]

I know you have your reasons for saying 02 was the best, but I just cant comprehend the 02 team being better than the 05 or 06 version.. Mostly because of who those teams played those seasons.. For what is worth I personally take the 06 team over any, because of the insane defense they played that season, and probably over most in Texas of all time.

2002

725- points scored

231- points allowed


2005

764- points scored

256- Points allowed


2006

709- points scored

179- points allowed


Both awesome team do not get me wrong but that 05 offense ...... holy crap

[green day]

Hey guys, wait up, don't forget me...

Signed,

Saint Garrett

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

OK. Were the Teams good because of the kids or were the kids good because of the Teams. If the Dragons had not gone to 5 consecutive state championships would have all the D1 offers been made.

Chase Daniel, Aaron Luna, McKay Jacobson, Clint Renfro, Riley Dodge, Tre Newton, Blake Cantu, Greg McElroy, Evan Fentriss... call me crazy, but those kids would have gotten D1 offers if they were playing for FW Paschal. Maybe a few of the kids I listed got offers due to being part of the Dragon machine.

[SLC]

Both awesome team do not get me wrong but that 05 offense ...... holy crap


The 02 team didnt have any shutouts, but gave up 3 points once, and 7 points four times.

The 05 team had 4 shutouts and gave up 7 points once.

The 06 team had 3 shutouts and gave up 6 points once and 7 points five times.

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Hey guys, wait up, don't forget me...

Signed,

Saint Garrett

D'oh!

[dragonpants]

I am liking the tone of this much better than beating up on the coaches and some of you the kids. I am guilty but never about the kids.....they deserve better but adults are open game :D

The bottom line is that we are all frustrated because we want what is best for the kids and the program and feel helpless because there is not whole lot we can do.
However how many go to the booster club meetings on Monday nights?
Those of you that office at home or work locally joined the breakfast club that meets with the coach Tuesday mornings?

May not make a huge difference but we can at least try to be more involved or make our feelings known to the coaches, the administration and not just us blow hards on the message boards.

[crunked9]

Looking at teams '02,'04,'05,'06

All are great But the '02 is better. :D

I will say that we will never know who is best. But aren't we lucky to have the opportunity to debate about 4 great teams that are from a 5 year period!

[SLC]

I am liking the tone of this much better than beating up on the coaches and some of you the kids. I am guilty but never about the kids.....they deserve better but adults are open game :D

The bottom line is that we are all frustrated because we want what is best for the kids and the program and feel helpless because there is not whole lot we can do.
However how many go to the booster club meetings on Monday nights?
Those of you that office at home or work locally joined the breakfast club that meets with the coach Tuesday mornings?

May not make a huge difference but we can at least try to be more involved or make our feelings known to the coaches, the administration and not just us blow hards on the message boards.


You are right pants. We all want whats best for the kids.. We are all good people, that wants good thing for the kiddos... It was very hard and emotional for me and my family to move from Southlake after 10.5 years there.. I will never lose the love I have for that city, its folks, and the school district that is home to the greatest football program in the state of Texas.. There isnt a one of you good people posting on here, no matter what your feelings on the current situation, that I wouldnt gladly call my friends and do anything for.

Lets do whatever we can to make sure the program stays on top (and that goes for ALL of Carrolls athletic programs) and the kids know we love and support them no matter what.

[SLC]

Looking at teams '02,'04,'05,'06

All are great But the '02 is better. :D

I will say that we will never know who is best. But aren't we lucky to have the opportunity to debate about 4 great teams that are from a 5 year period!


Yes we are... And actually its alot of great teams over a 40+ year period.

[CRclassof02]

just wanted to drop in and say hello to my SLC friends and to say congrats on a great season. I wouldnt fret over a early playoff exit. next year i feel yall will be as solid as ever. good luck to all seniors in their future endevors and good luck to the upcoming classes. i hope SLC and CR will have some future matchups. the dragons are a top notch team and i hope CR can acheive just a portion of what yall have accomplished some day

p.s........we CR people are gunna need mucho prayers for our upcoming game. any help would be appreciated haha:D

[SLC]

just wanted to drop in and say hello to my SLC friends and to say congrats on a great season. I wouldnt fret over a early playoff exit. next year i feel yall will be as solid as ever. good luck to all seniors in their future endevors and good luck to the upcoming classes. i hope SLC and CR will have some future matchups. the dragons are a top notch team and i hope CR can acheive just a portion of what yall have accomplished some day

p.s........we CR people are gunna need mucho prayers for our upcoming game. any help would be appreciated haha:D


Thank you for the kind words CR... And let there be no doubt that, seeing as we are the only team to beat yall this season, that I for one am pulling for yall to bring home a Championship.

[crunked9]

Yes we are... And actually its alot of great teams over a 40+ year period.

Ya, but we dont want to talk about those b/c some might be better than these 4

[SLC]

Ya, but we dont want to talk about those b/c some might be better than these 4

Some might be better than 02, 04, and 05....

But not better than 06...:p


........:D

[gasman]

just wanted to drop in and say hello to my SLC friends and to say congrats on a great season. I wouldnt fret over a early playoff exit. next year i feel yall will be as solid as ever. good luck to all seniors in their future endevors and good luck to the upcoming classes. i hope SLC and CR will have some future matchups. the dragons are a top notch team and i hope CR can acheive just a portion of what yall have accomplished some day

p.s........we CR people are gunna need mucho prayers for our upcoming game. any help would be appreciated haha:D


Thanks for the nice comments. You have a great team as well and us people from SLC will be rooting for you.

[dragonpants]

Thanks for the nice comments. You have a great team as well and us people from SLC will be rooting for you.

If CR wins Div I state and we are the only team to beat them don't we win State by proxy?????????????

Oh that is right Obama has not been sworn in yet, well hell when he takes office the whole state will win state and we will have to pass around the trophy.

Anyway CR's team and fans were very classy and thanks for the game, we really needed to play a football game at that point and you guys went beyond the call of duty coming up here.

Good luck the rest of the way.

[crunked9]

Some might be better than 02, 04, and 05....

But not better than 06...:p


........:D

hmm, I think the '92 team is considered the best ever

[slcdragonfan]

just wanted to drop in and say hello to my SLC friends and to say congrats on a great season. I wouldnt fret over a early playoff exit. next year i feel yall will be as solid as ever. good luck to all seniors in their future endevors and good luck to the upcoming classes. i hope SLC and CR will have some future matchups. the dragons are a top notch team and i hope CR can acheive just a portion of what yall have accomplished some day

p.s........we CR people are gunna need mucho prayers for our upcoming game. any help would be appreciated haha:D

Nicely said and thanks. Best wishes to ya'll, I feel good about your chances to get to the dance. Would love to see future matches, enjoyed your team.

[slcdragonfan]

I am liking the tone of this much better than beating up on the coaches and some of you the kids. I am guilty but never about the kids.....they deserve better but adults are open game :D

The bottom line is that we are all frustrated because we want what is best for the kids and the program and feel helpless because there is not whole lot we can do.
However how many go to the booster club meetings on Monday nights?
Those of you that office at home or work locally joined the breakfast club that meets with the coach Tuesday mornings?

May not make a huge difference but we can at least try to be more involved or make our feelings known to the coaches, the administration and not just us blow hards on the message boards.

Pants, if you have details on those, can you PM them to me? I'd love to be more involved. I don't have a son playing, and was traveling for 5-6 of the last 8 years, but I have time now.

[15Adragon]

I am liking the tone of this much better than beating up on the coaches and some of you the kids. I am guilty but never about the kids.....they deserve better but adults are open game :D

The bottom line is that we are all frustrated because we want what is best for the kids and the program and feel helpless because there is not whole lot we can do.
However how many go to the booster club meetings on Monday nights?
Those of you that office at home or work locally joined the breakfast club that meets with the coach Tuesday mornings?

May not make a huge difference but we can at least try to be more involved or make our feelings known to the coaches, the administration and not just us blow hards on the message boards.

pants, I completely agree. We start bringing the kids up and comparing this kid to his hero's from the past it gets ugly. It is better said to say we had 11 new O starters this year and they lost their QB at mid-season ( rake was a D starter last year and there was 1 who also was a starter but missed last season). This bunch was averaging 450yds a game. Job well done. Have we ever had 100% turnover on O?

Also, I do like HW and hope he is successful and I am always proud to be a Dragon.

Happy Thanksgiving!

[SLC]

hmm, I think the '92 team is considered the best ever


They are considered just that... I would however love it if we could see those 2 teams play.. whew boy would that be awesome.:notworthy

[15Adragon]

2008 (1): Kyle Padron (SMU) - Injured half of the year. Could see a couple of the juniors ending up playing ball somewhere.

Oak, I think there could be a few that get Baseball offers from the 08 team.

[slcdragonfan]

They are considered just that... I would however love it if we could see those 2 teams play.. whew boy would that be awesome.:notworthy

Getcher Madden out. Oh, that's right, they don't do High School, the BEST form of football.:)

[dragonpants]

Pants, if you have details on those, can you PM them to me? I'd love to be more involved. I don't have a son playing, and was traveling for 5-6 of the last 8 years, but I have time now.

I will get more info on the breakfast deal. Is not possible for me. I work in Carrollton everyday and am at work between 6 and 615am.

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Oak, I think there could be a few that get Baseball offers from the 08 team.

Good point! I don't keep up with SLC baseball much but I do seem to remember several of those kids being good baseball players.

I want to reiterate that my post was not intended to highlight anything negative, but rather to remark upon the amazing run of athletes SLC has enjoyed. In the context of this message board I should have known better. I really do hope that no one took my post to be a shot against the current group. That's the last thing I'd ever want to do on here. At the same time I do think some perspective is good. Unfortunately at times it can be difficult to offer that perspective without being taken the wrong way. So with that, I'm bowing out of the thread. Happy Thanksgiving to all.

[SLC]

Getcher Madden out. Oh, that's right, they don't do High School, the BEST form of football.:)


I know. I always wished there was a high school video game.. It would be hard to be a developer for such a game though, with all the kids changing every year, and the 1000's upon 1000's of high schools accross the nation..

I remember last year there was someone who started a thread about creating a 5A high school football game.. But it was just basically taking either the college video game or the NFL video game and creating a new team. The players you would have to create to us would be starting as inexperienced NFL players instead of experiencd hich school players.

[slcdragonfan]

I will get more info on the breakfast deal. Is not possible for me. I work in Carrollton everyday and am at work between 6 and 615am.

OK, I'll eat breakfast for both of us.:D

[SLC]

I will get more info on the breakfast deal. Is not possible for me. I work in Carrollton everyday and am at work between 6 and 615am.


Your proly close to me... I work in Farmers Branch.

[SLC]

Good point! I don't keep up with SLC baseball much but I do seem to remember several of those kids being good baseball players.

I want to reiterate that my post was not intended to highlight anything negative, but rather to remark upon the amazing run of athletes SLC has enjoyed. In the context of this message board I should have known better. I really do hope that no one took my post to be a shot against the current group. That's the last thing I'd ever want to do on here. At the same time I do think some perspective is good. Unfortunately at times it can be difficult to offer that perspective without being taken the wrong way. So with that, I'm bowing out of the thread. Happy Thanksgiving to all.


Oak, no worries here brother.. Those that know what you contribute to the board, know it wasnt your intention to compare one kid to the other.. And you have some valid points anyway. Dont stop contributing to the thread, you are welcome as is anyone to have an opinion. Again, we all wants whats best.


Have a safe and Happy Thanksgiving.:)

[slcdragonfan]

I know. I always wished there was a high school video game.. It would be hard to be a developer for such a game though, with all the kids changing every year, and the 1000's upon 1000's of high schools accross the nation..

I remember last year there was someone who started a thread about creating a 5A high school football game.. But it was just basically taking either the college video game or the NFL video game and creating a new team. The players you would have to create to us would be starting as inexperienced NFL players instead of experiencd hich school players.

Could be done, they would need an input form for the values. The difficulty is they probably have comparative data in the program, i.e. relative strength. I used to play a computer game (rudimentary graphics, X's and O's) in the 1980's that had the top pro teams over the years. But again, I think they had tried to perform a relative strength between say the perfect Dolphins SuperBowl team and say Green Bay of the 60's. The difficulty would be creating the comparative data between teams you input, that would have to be logic they create. Again, could be done.

[SLC]

Could be done, they would need an input form for the values. The difficulty is they probably have comparative data in the program, i.e. relative strength. I used to play a computer game (rudimentary graphics, X's and O's) in the 1980's that had the top pro teams over the years. But again, I think they had tried to perform a relative strength between say the perfect Dolphins SuperBowl team and say Green Bay of the 60's. The difficulty would be creating the comparative data between teams you input, that would have to be logic they create. Again, could be done.


I agree it could be done from a creative standpoint... Just from a financial standpoint, it could not... They would have to get licensing agreements from the schools and each player... Plus have to create a new game every season.

[dragonpants]

Your proly close to me... I work in Farmers Branch.

then we need to together for lunch.

I am at Trinity Mills and Tarpley right by lifetime fitness.

[Lonestar 48]

Well, my wife is officially putting me to work...so I guess that's it for the week. I've enjoyed reading everyone's heartfelt thoughts and suggestions, and like so many have said, that drive and passion is part of what makes Southlake so great. I hope none of my posts have offended anyone...if so, I am very sorry!!!!

Happy and safe Thanksgiving everyone!!!!

[DrEdward]

Some might be better than 02, 04, and 05....

But not better than 06...:p


........:D

Go back and look at the 92 team!

[SLC]

Go back and look at the 92 team!


I agree it was great... As I said.. I would love to watch that 92 team play the 06 team. 2 very different styles.. 2 great coaches... WOW... I'd pay big money to be able to watch that.:)

[SLC]

then we need to together for lunch.

I am at Trinity Mills and Tarpley right by lifetime fitness.


Cool. We'll have to do just that. I'm at Valley View and Marsh.

[15Adragon]

Go back and look at the 92 team!

Amen. Some real leave the clock runnin in the second half football. ;)

[CCCSportsFan]

I will get more info on the breakfast deal. Is not possible for me. I work in Carrollton everyday and am at work between 6 and 615am.

+1, I get there about the same time at the same city as you do Pants.

[CCCSportsFan]

then we need to together for lunch.

I am at Trinity Mills and Tarpley right by lifetime fitness.

We did lunch at Cafe Brazil on Josey today :)

[SLC]

We did lunch at Cafe Brazil on Josey today :)


So we all should get together for lunch then, were all pretty close to one another for work.

[Dragonfan2004]

I would have hired a young coach with new ideas rather than a geriatric coach with no idea.

So you would go with an unproven coach over one who went to Middle Tennesee State with coach Dodge in the summer of 2001 to learn the new offense and helped implement it as an assistant and then moved on and proved himself elsewhere as an HC. Interesting..... Hindsight is 20/20 but not many people would agree with you 2 years ago when the interview process was being done.

[Grapeguy]

Trivia question for you Dragon fans -

Recently, Carroll joined Lake Highlands as the only other high school in the nation to currently have this distinction. What is it?

[DrEdward]

Trivia question for you Dragon fans -

Recently, Carroll joined Lake Highlands as the only other high school in the nation to currently have this distinction. What is it?

Two place kickers in the NFL simultaneously.

[green day]

Two place kickers in the NFL simultaneously.

Brown, Dawson, Hartley and who?

Great question!!

[4rings]

Consider this, you make a great point bc defenses had to respect not only Riley throwing the ball, but Tre scared defenses half to death bc of the big play threat. The difference being Tre, however teams still had to respect the pass w the wr's we had that year. In particular Blake Cantu, teams could not just load up the box and play man on the outside like they were able to all year against SLC this year. When a defense can play with 6-7 man in the box, play man against wr's and our wr's not get released on the outside...problems arise. Riley playing hurt is more of a threat than any of our qb's playing at 100% healthy this year. Tre was never healthy his senior year, Cantu either. It all goes back to Talent in the hay days of SLC, to the talent now. No Arguments, anyone that knows SLC football and has been around it the last 7 years knows that. If not, they are oblivious. Not any seventh grader could take a snap, just any seventh grader that plays QB, it's like riding a bike. You learn and never forget, just a bad break in the Abilene game. No need in beating a dead horse, but it all goes back to Talent depletion

Do you follow Southlake football?? The QBs take the snap from the spread. They don't go under center. Did you see 1 play under center this year? The point I made was KP grew up in a system (elementary on up) that never used their QBs under center. Then we get to the 3rd round of the playoffs and the coaches are calling for him to kill the ball by going under center. Imagine the thoughts that KP and the center had when he put his hands under the butt of the center. Neither were comfortable nor ready. Wasson screwed this up. Why would any coach risk a fumble just to move the ball to the left. Foster would have nailed the kick from the 15. Think back to 2004, Ortega has to kick a 41 yard FG to win with 6 seconds left. What's the difference between TD and HW? TD knew the player's capabilities, and HW did not. Really disappointing when the HC hasn't a clue. Don't get me started again on how chicken ***** he was in not taking the responsibility. He choked.

[4rings]

Though his total stands at 11.

And I disagree that 02 was the best.

Agree. '02 was a special team, but the stats do not bear out that they were the best. Crunk was a member of the team so his opinion is a bit biased. They also played 4A teams in the regular season. Compare their run to the title vs 05 and 06 and you'll discover the difference. Make no mistake, comparing 16-0 teams is splitting hairs. They were all good. However, offensive points and defensive points allowed are just 1 means of comparison. Check out how many undefeated teams that 05 and 06 played in the playoffs. Also look at the measure of dominance, not just the state title game. Ironically, 02 was a 4A team the year before and played another 4A team for the 5A title in 02. One could make an argument that 02 didn't play the tougher opponents in winning their title. Once again, splitting hairs. Ok Crunk, tell me how great your team was. :D

[4rings]

just wanted to drop in and say hello to my SLC friends and to say congrats on a great season. I wouldnt fret over a early playoff exit. next year i feel yall will be as solid as ever. good luck to all seniors in their future endevors and good luck to the upcoming classes. i hope SLC and CR will have some future matchups. the dragons are a top notch team and i hope CR can acheive just a portion of what yall have accomplished some day

p.s........we CR people are gunna need mucho prayers for our upcoming game. any help would be appreciated haha:D

Good luck to Cinco Ranch. I have said it on this forum and I've mentioned it to the AD, SLC should drop Northsore next year and take our Houston trip to Katy and play Cinco. They manned up when they didn't have to and came to Dragon Stadium to play us. We owe them a game at their place. Wish you well. Win the Div 1 title.

[4rings]

Go back and look at the 92 team!

How many of their players went to college to play?

[gasman]

Brown, Dawson, Hartley and who?

Great question!!


Chris Brown on the Texans

[DrEdward]

How many of their players went to college to play?

I'll have to go back and think about that one. Off the top of my head, Brown to Nebraska a couple of years later; Johnson to Texas Tech, Mantooth to Tarleton (I think).

[green day]

Chris Brown on the Texans

That was my Brown, Kris...who from LH still kicks/

[DrEdward]

Brown, Dawson, Hartley and who?

Great question!!

Got me. I knew about the Carroll players and Dawson. So my answer was the only one I could come up with on short notice.

[ScopeUp]

Agreed that comparing the teams is splitting hair. After seeing all the championship teams, it would be tough to find a better offensive unit than the 02 team, Defensively the 2005 team was very tough. Most fans from SLC seem to agree that the 2002 team was the best, but they were the first so their are some biases there. Hard to argue the strenght of schedule when the 02 team had to go through undefeated Arlington, Lufkin, Abilene Cooper, Irving Mac and Smithson Valley. All teams were great in their own right, personally I feel the 02 Offense and the 05 Defense were the best to ever come through.

[green day]

Got me. I knew about the Carroll players and Dawson. So my answer was the only one I could come up with on short notice.

You got me to bite.

Best to you and yours this holiday, doc.... doc, holiday:o

[toonman]

So you would go with an unproven coach over one who went to Middle Tennesee State with coach Dodge in the summer of 2001 to learn the new offense and helped implement it as an assistant and then moved on and proved himself elsewhere as an HC. Interesting..... Hindsight is 20/20 but not many people would agree with you 2 years ago when the interview process was being done.

Wasson was most definitely not my first choice. If anyone wants to PM me - I will let you know who my first choice was and which is still not beyond the realms of possibility.