**Carroll Dragon Fan Thread**

[SLC93]

Just getting onto this blog. I moved to this area in 2001. I have no kids, grandkids or relation in Southlake. Have missed only two varsity home games since moving into the area and I can count on one hand the number of Thursday night JV or Freshman home games I have missed. I had two sons in Florida, one was a very talented football player the other was average. The son that was an average football player rarely played until his senior year. He enjoyed being part of the team and worked hard to stay on the team. Somewhere in this string of conversation there is mention that seniority should count. Another mentioned that parents paid their way onto a team. Seniority may have a role in some places in life but not on a top performing high school sports team.

What I have noticed about Southlake and other top programs in the country is that teams excel primarily due to professional and disciplined coaching and parents that support their kids development and expect them to do their best. I think Southlake has all of that. Professional coaches at top high schools don't play kids because of money given or donations by parents. If that were the case Southlake with all its money would have parents lined up at the coaches door and it would not be a successful team but dysfunctional chaos. Coaches in Southlake have to be successful and win or they won't be coaching here. They have to put the kids that really want to play, are good teammates and are tops at their positions. The coaching in Southlake is better than I have seen anywhere else. Look at the difference, even at the 9th grade level and JV, Southlake coaches are rarely out coached.

As far as moving up JV and Freshman to the varsity for the playoffs. Those kids that were moved up probably are tough and were in positions needed for scrimmaging. I don't know exactly what their role on the varsity is but it probably is to get their heads knocked around as the 3rd and 4th players on a depth chart. Coaches don't want to bang up their 1st and 2nd team during a playoff run, so those 3rd and 4th teams go up against starters. It is likely a real mismatch and some kids at the freshman and sophomore level are not strong or tough enough.

Lastly, I have seen every freshman and sophomore class come through since 2001. There have been some good ones. The freshman class though this year really stands out in my opinion. They have a very talented QB and receivers that not only have good speed but also have great hands. The skilled positions on offense are as good as I have seen in my time here. The defense is not as strong as some I have seen in years past. They seem a little shaky against the run and on special teams.

Southlake football is great year in and year out. The coaches and the school has got it going on. I only wish my kids grew up in an environment with coaches like these.

It's good to get outside perspective from an unbiased insider. Many of us have been inside for so long, we've become institutionalized.;) Excellent thoughts and presentation.:)

[SLC93]

I'm sorry that I don't earn your approval Mr 19 year old. Go flip your burgers. Does your Mommy know you stay up this late and play with your computer? Once again, you are almost on topic.

Breathe. You just gotta breathe.

[drgnbkr]

Just getting onto this blog. I moved to this area in 2001. I have no kids, grandkids or relation in Southlake. Have missed only two varsity home games since moving into the area and I can count on one hand the number of Thursday night JV or Freshman home games I have missed. I had two sons in Florida, one was a very talented football player the other was average. The son that was an average football player rarely played until his senior year. He enjoyed being part of the team and worked hard to stay on the team. Somewhere in this string of conversation there is mention that seniority should count. Another mentioned that parents paid their way onto a team. Seniority may have a role in some places in life but not on a top performing high school sports team.

What I have noticed about Southlake and other top programs in the country is that teams excel primarily due to professional and disciplined coaching and parents that support their kids development and expect them to do their best. I think Southlake has all of that. Professional coaches at top high schools don't play kids because of money given or donations by parents. If that were the case Southlake with all its money would have parents lined up at the coaches door and it would not be a successful team but dysfunctional chaos. Coaches in Southlake have to be successful and win or they won't be coaching here. They have to put the kids that really want to play, are good teammates and are tops at their positions. The coaching in Southlake is better than I have seen anywhere else. Look at the difference, even at the 9th grade level and JV, Southlake coaches are rarely out coached.

As far as moving up JV and Freshman to the varsity for the playoffs. Those kids that were moved up probably are tough and were in positions needed for scrimmaging. I don't know exactly what their role on the varsity is but it probably is to get their heads knocked around as the 3rd and 4th players on a depth chart. Coaches don't want to bang up their 1st and 2nd team during a playoff run, so those 3rd and 4th teams go up against starters. It is likely a real mismatch and some kids at the freshman and sophomore level are not strong or tough enough.

Lastly, I have seen every freshman and sophomore class come through since 2001. There have been some good ones. The freshman class though this year really stands out in my opinion. They have a very talented QB and receivers that not only have good speed but also have great hands. The skilled positions on offense are as good as I have seen in my time here. The defense is not as strong as some I have seen in years past. They seem a little shaky against the run and on special teams.

Southlake football is great year in and year out. The coaches and the school has got it going on. I only wish my kids grew up in an environment with coaches like these.

Thanks for being a fan of the Dragons! Welcome to the board!

[15Adragon]

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Lastly, I have seen every freshman and sophomore class come through since 2001. There have been some good ones. The freshman class though this year really stands out in my opinion. They have a very talented QB and receivers that not only have good speed but also have great hands. The skilled positions on offense are as good as I have seen in my time here. The defense is not as strong as some I have seen in years past. They seem a little shaky against the run and on special teams.

Southlake football is great year in and year out. The coaches and the school has got it going on. I only wish my kids grew up in an environment with coaches like these.

Welcome. Nice to hear that we are reloading and that the future is bright! Thanks for reminding us how privileged we are to get to enjoy watching and being a part of something so special. :)

[CCCSportsFan]

The coaching in Southlake is better than I have seen anywhere else. Look at the difference, even at the 9th grade level and JV, Southlake coaches are rarely out coached.

As far as moving up JV and Freshman to the varsity for the playoffs. Those kids that were moved up probably are tough and were in positions needed for scrimmaging. I don't know exactly what their role on the varsity is but it probably is to get their heads knocked around as the 3rd and 4th players on a depth chart. Coaches don't want to bang up their 1st and 2nd team during a playoff run, so those 3rd and 4th teams go up against starters. It is likely a real mismatch and some kids at the freshman and sophomore level are not strong or tough enough.

Lastly, I have seen every freshman and sophomore class come through since 2001. There have been some good ones. The freshman class though this year really stands out in my opinion. They have a very talented QB and receivers that not only have good speed but also have great hands. The skilled positions on offense are as good as I have seen in my time here. The defense is not as strong as some I have seen in years past. They seem a little shaky against the run and on special teams.

Welcome aboard 1985Sammy, you make some very good observations and thanks for your support of the Dragon community.

So from your vantage point did the freshman HC improve this year? He was new last year and it was pretty unamimous that he really struggled at times. I thought last year there were several games that we were severly outcoached; specifically the game at Rockwall and at home against Keller. The home game against Haltom was also questionable. It will be nice to hear the problems have been fixed since I have another one working his way up the ranks.

You're spot on about the kids being moved up are position specific. Several outstanding kids on JV Black that didn't get pulled up are in the middle of a log jam of talent at their position already at JV Green and Varsity levels.

The QB is a true gem. He's a great kid and has outstanding parents. You could tell all the way back in 3rd and 4th grade he was going to be special.

Again, welcome aboard :)

[SLC]

Just getting onto this blog. I moved to this area in 2001. I have no kids, grandkids or relation in Southlake. Have missed only two varsity home games since moving into the area and I can count on one hand the number of Thursday night JV or Freshman home games I have missed. I had two sons in Florida, one was a very talented football player the other was average. The son that was an average football player rarely played until his senior year. He enjoyed being part of the team and worked hard to stay on the team. Somewhere in this string of conversation there is mention that seniority should count. Another mentioned that parents paid their way onto a team. Seniority may have a role in some places in life but not on a top performing high school sports team.

What I have noticed about Southlake and other top programs in the country is that teams excel primarily due to professional and disciplined coaching and parents that support their kids development and expect them to do their best. I think Southlake has all of that. Professional coaches at top high schools don't play kids because of money given or donations by parents. If that were the case Southlake with all its money would have parents lined up at the coaches door and it would not be a successful team but dysfunctional chaos. Coaches in Southlake have to be successful and win or they won't be coaching here. They have to put the kids that really want to play, are good teammates and are tops at their positions. The coaching in Southlake is better than I have seen anywhere else. Look at the difference, even at the 9th grade level and JV, Southlake coaches are rarely out coached.

As far as moving up JV and Freshman to the varsity for the playoffs. Those kids that were moved up probably are tough and were in positions needed for scrimmaging. I don't know exactly what their role on the varsity is but it probably is to get their heads knocked around as the 3rd and 4th players on a depth chart. Coaches don't want to bang up their 1st and 2nd team during a playoff run, so those 3rd and 4th teams go up against starters. It is likely a real mismatch and some kids at the freshman and sophomore level are not strong or tough enough.

Lastly, I have seen every freshman and sophomore class come through since 2001. There have been some good ones. The freshman class though this year really stands out in my opinion. They have a very talented QB and receivers that not only have good speed but also have great hands. The skilled positions on offense are as good as I have seen in my time here. The defense is not as strong as some I have seen in years past. They seem a little shaky against the run and on special teams.

Southlake football is great year in and year out. The coaches and the school has got it going on. I only wish my kids grew up in an environment with coaches like these.


Excellent post sir... Welcome aboard the Texas5Afootball train....:)

[SLC]

I agree with this, Coppell drew a team that does Coppell better than Coppell. Our game should be a good one but I believe we'll pull away. Hebron is probably in for the toughest battle. When in doubt about these things I look to the history of the program. Now, people on here will tell you that's silly in hs because the players change every year. That may be true but my systems been fairly good to me and no other level of football has program consistency like the hs level. All that said, I'll take Hebron. There is nothing in Wylie's history to suggest they'll advance. Couple than with a possible overconfidence they'll have, the revenge Hebron is after and the growth the Hawks have shown since starting 0-3 against a brutal schedule.......well you see where I'm going. I like Brazil and Dane is so bright. He needs to come home. 2-1 for 6-5A! We sure got each other ready, huh?

No way sir. AHMO wins!!

[SLC93]

No way sir. AHMO wins!!

While it wouldn't surprise me, my system says otherwise. Do not question the system.:cool::D

[SLC]

While it wouldn't surprise me, my system says otherwise. Do not question the system.:cool::D


Well 3 systems on this board say different.. One of them has been right every time.

Besides, Wylie is just the better team.:cool:

[Pinion]

Excellent post sir... Welcome aboard the Texas5Afootball train....:)

stop brown nosing the new posters.. he's done said he likes SLC. you dont need to show him how you clean the seats at TxStadium with antibacterial wipes, bleach, and rubbing alcohol. :p

[SLC]

stop brown nosing the new posters.. he's done said he likes SLC. you dont need to show him how you clean the seats at TxStadium with antibacterial wipes, bleach, and rubbing alcohol. :p

Shut it redneck.:cool:

[Pinion]

Shut it redneck.:cool:

I found you a nice thread to hang out on:
http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?p=997769#post997769

[SLC]

I found you a nice thread to hang out on:
http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?p=997769#post997769


Your a clown...:D

[dragons08]

stop brown nosing the new posters.. he's done said he likes SLC. you dont need to show him how you clean the seats at TxStadium with antibacterial wipes, bleach, and rubbing alcohol. :p

Wow I still can't believe homeboy did this.

[SLC]

Wow I still can't believe homeboy did this.


Actually a girl on the drill team did... Ask Sakitha, drgnbkr, slcdragonfan, and bkr's son... They were there at the Hebron game when it happened.. It was hilarious to say the least.

[rocketgrl94]

Actually a girl on the drill team did... Ask Sakitha, drgnbkr, slcdragonfan, and bkr's son... They were there at the Hebron game when it happened.. It was hilarious to say the least.

will yall get off the wipes crap are ya'll gonna talk about it all day long?...talking about it in The Yard in 2 threads and now here....OH LAWD!:D

[dragons08]

will yall get off the wipes crap are ya'll gonna talk about it all day long?...talking about it in the yard in 2 threads and now here....oh lawd!:d

gtfo!

[rocketgrl94]

gtfo!

i go where i please!

[SLC]

will yall get off the wipes crap are ya'll gonna talk about it all day long?...talking about it in The Yard in 2 threads and now here....OH LAWD!:D

Actually, I really dont mind. Pinion wants to perpatrate lies... So I called him on it..


Facts rule.:cool:

[dragonbuck]

gtfo!

clean it up 08 and show some class. that's a lady you're speaking to. Remember what you were saying about protecting the tradition and class the other day? It especially applies when dealing with ladies, both inside and outside the Dragon nation. seriously - not cool.:(

[rocketgrl94]

clean it up 08 and show some class. that's a lady you're speaking to. Remember what you were saying about protecting the tradition and class the other day? It especially applies when dealing with ladies, both inside and outside the Dragon nation. seriously - not cool.:(

yeah get on him dragonbuck he talks like that to mostly everyone!:rolleyes:

[SLC]

clean it up 08 and show some class. that's a lady you're speaking to. Remember what you were saying about protecting the tradition and class the other day? It especially applies when dealing with ladies, both inside and outside the Dragon nation. seriously - not cool.:(


She's cool and he means no disrespect.. We all play alot, I'm sure you werent aware when you wrote this, but its all in fun.:cool:

[rocketgrl94]

She's cool and he means no disrespect.. We all play alot, I'm sure you werent aware when you wrote this, but its all in fun.:cool:

we are The Yard Crew!:D:p

[dragons08]

clean it up 08 and show some class. that's a lady you're speaking to. Remember what you were saying about protecting the tradition and class the other day? It especially applies when dealing with ladies, both inside and outside the Dragon nation. seriously - not cool.:(

Just some playful banter, we fool around in the yard a lot, i guess someone left the gate open. ;)

[SLC]

we are The Yard Crew!:D:p


You got it...:D

[rocketgrl94]

i guess i'll hang with ya'lls crew since i dont have a team playin anymore
and ya'lls band is slammin!:D

[SLC]

i guess i'll hang with ya'lls crew since i dont have a team playin anymore
and ya'lls band is slammin!:D


See now your catching on, So you just need to come up and watch a game now.:)

[dragonbuck]

Just some playful banter, we fool around in the yard a lot, i guess someone left the gate open. ;)

Well I don't live in the yard, but where I come from, you don't say g.t.f.o. to a lady - even when "playin." I'm not old, and I'm not fashioned, but I am old fashioned.

[rocketgrl94]

See now your catching on, So you just need to come up and watch a game now.:)

sorry not driving that far!

[dragons08]

sorry not driving that far!

Pinion offered you a ride my lady.

[rocketgrl94]

Pinion offered you a ride my lady.

i dont know him he maybe an axe murderer! :D

[SLC]

Well I don't live in the yard, but where I come from, you don't say g.t.f.o. to a lady - even when "playin." I'm not old, and I'm not fashioned, but I am old fashioned.


If its not intended as being mean, its not a problem.

[dragons08]

i dont know him he maybe an axe murderer! :D

He's just a redneck.

He'd use a gun if anything.

[SLC]

i dont know him he maybe an axe murderer! :D


Pinions fine. He's a good guy.:cool:

[rocketgrl94]

He's just a redneck.

He'd use a gun if anything.

maybe a pitchfork!

[dragons08]

maybe a pitchfork!

Those are dem farmer fans out in lewisville.

[rocketgrl94]

Those are dem farmer fans out in lewisville.

DAMN i got confused they all seem like rednecks to me!:D

[dragons08]

If its not intended as being mean, its not a problem.

He doesn't like it in here, we'll keep that kind of stuff contained in our cage.

I'll respect that.

[SLC]

He doesn't like it in here, we'll keep that kind of stuff contained in our cage.

I'll respect that.

Its a message board.

[rocketgrl94]

Its a message board.

but i say lets keep the trash talk in The Yard

[dragons08]

but i say lets keep the trash talk in The Yard

this.

[dragonbuck]

Its a message board.

I agree with much of your football insight, but not on this topic. I was raised to not use the "f" in gtfo around a lady. Even when not mean spirited. I guess I am in the minority on this one. I'll just stay in the minority and call it my own yard, thank you very much.;)

[TulsaHale74]

i dont know him he maybe an axe murderer! :D
But does he have Bud Light?;)

[SLC]

I agree with much of your football insight, but not on this topic. I was raised to not use the "f" in gtfo around a lady. Even when not mean spirited. I guess I am in the minority on this one. I'll just stay in the minority and call it my own yard, thank you very much.;)

Cool. Fair enough..;)

[SLC]

but i say lets keep the trash talk in The Yard


It typically does stay to football untill, Pinion, D08, or 93 changes it.:cool::D

[SLC93]

But does he have Bud Light?;)

:laugh:laugh:laugh

[slcdragonfan]

i dont know him he maybe an axe murderer! :D

He would never, I repeat, NEVER murder an axe.

[SLC93]

It typically does stay to football untill, Pinion, D08, or 93 changes it.:cool::D

:mad: Man, I work for the government. Do you have any idea how bored I get at work? A little slack would be appreciated.:D

[SLC13]

:mad: Man, I work for the government. Do you have any idea how bored I get at work? A little slack would be appreciated.:D

The 2nd most common statement from government workers right after "I'm from the govenment and I'm here to help you"...... :D

[SLC93]

The 2nd most common statement from government workers right after "I'm from the govenment and I'm here to help you"...... :D

There is absolutely no truth except for the issue of it being a factual and precise summation.:D

[dragons08]

It typically does stay to football untill, Pinion, D08, or 93 changes it.:cool::D

I am at school all day, I have nothing to do. Give me credit.

[SLC]

:mad: Man, I work for the government. Do you have any idea how bored I get at work? A little slack would be appreciated.:D


I'm :Censor:ing with you Ted.:D

[SLC]

I am at school all day, I have nothing to do. Give me credit.

Credit is giving.:D

[Pinion]

i dont know him he maybe an axe murderer! :D

http://a973.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/93/l_8be60d231c1736f4d335a0de04c728cc.jpg

does that look like the smile of an axe murderer? No. It doesnt. and I drive safely too.

[slcdragonfan]

http://a973.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/93/l_8be60d231c1736f4d335a0de04c728cc.jpg

does that look like the smile of an axe murderer? No. It doesnt. and I drive safely too.

What happened to the rest of your beard?:D

[Pinion]

What happened to the rest of your beard?:D

old photo there. That's the only one I have access to right now where I'm smiling.. haha.
Not to worry. The long beard isnt going anywhere. The ladies like it. That way they dont have to spend money on a leash.

[SLC93]

I'm :Censor:ing with you Ted.:D

Beans and franks!:D

[SLC]

Beans and franks!:D


Word.:D

[dragonbuck]

old photo there. That's the only one I have access to right now where I'm smiling.. haha.
Not to worry. The long beard isnt going anywhere. The ladies like it. That way they dont have to spend money on a leash.

Picturing you in that "got Milk?" T-shirt, wearing the princess crown and being led around by your beard by a Latina had me in tears.

[Pinion]

Picturing you in that "got Milk?" T-shirt, wearing the princess crown and being led around by your beard by a Latina had me in tears.

hey. A mans gotta do what a mans gotta do..hahaha.

That photo was from before I knew about SHL's. I dont think I own that shirt anymore. I think it was ripped off my body by a fat chick trying to get some redneck love.
No really, I dont know where it went. That was a favorite of mine though. I should prolly get me another one.

[SLC]

hey. A mans gotta do what a mans gotta do..hahaha.

That photo was from before I knew about SHL's. I dont think I own that shirt anymore. I think it was ripped off my body by a fat chick trying to get some redneck love.
No really, I dont know where it went. That was a favorite of mine though. I should prolly get me another one.

You'll have you a Dragon shirt to wear come Saturday though, and you better show it off in Austin too.

[Pinion]

You'll have you a Dragon shirt to wear come Saturday though, and you better show it off in Austin too.

Oh I plan to. In fact, Ima end up in Louisiana for the ECA/St.James semi-final (assuming both make it that far. yeah right?) and I plan to wear my SLC Dragons shirt to that game too. I'm not just a fair weather fan.

[SLC]

Oh I plan to. In fact, Ima end up in Louisiana for the ECA/St.James semi-final (assuming both make it that far. yeah right?) and I plan to wear my SLC Dragons shirt to that game too. I'm not just a fair weather fan.

Sweet, thats what I like to hear..:cool:

[dragons08]

http://a973.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/93/l_8be60d231c1736f4d335a0de04c728cc.jpg

does that look like the smile of an axe murderer? No. It doesnt. and I drive safely too.

Tool.

[dragons08]

You'll have you a Dragon shirt to wear come Saturday though, and you better show it off in Austin too.

What one ya going to get him?

[SLC]

What one ya going to get him?

I'm not... Jackson Richards dad is giving him one.

[dragons08]

I'm not... Jackson Richards dad is giving him one.

OMFGG AUTOGRAPHED?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? :Censor::eek::D:notworthy:)

[SLC]

OMFGG AUTOGRAPHED?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? :Censor::eek::D:notworthy:)

I wont know until Saturday morning, he's meeting Pinion and I there.

[dragons08]

I wont know until Saturday morning, he's meeting Pinion and I there.

It better not be one of those walmart, tom thumb, or acadmey ones. The dragon on it looks soo stupid and sissy and lame.

[SLC]

It better not be one of those walmart, tom thumb, or acadmey ones. The dragon on it looks soo stupid and sissy and lame.

I would doubt its that.:cool:

[Slim-Rob]

It better not be one of those walmart, tom thumb, or acadmey ones. The dragon on it looks soo stupid and sissy and lame.

dragons are lame.

[SLC]

dragons are lame.


Uh. No.

[Slim-Rob]

Uh. No.

Okay w/e you say oh great one who is better than I :rolleyes:

[dragons08]

I would doubt its that.:cool:

I actually kind of hope it is..

Imagine this big redneck fella, wearing this bright green shirt, with this STUPID looking dragon on it hahahahahahaha
http://skem9.com/a.homes/pics/layouts/layoutPics/th_/2008/07/29/314234/image1.jpg

[SLC]

Okay w/e you say oh great one who is better than I :rolleyes:

This. +1

[dragons08]

dragons are lame.
Says the one who's team is one and done...

[SLC]

Says the one who's team is one and done...

This. +10

[Slim-Rob]

I actually kind of hope it is..

Imagine this big redneck fella, wearing this bright green shirt, with this STUPID looking dragon on it hahahahahahaha
http://skem9.com/a.homes/pics/layouts/layoutPics/th_/2008/07/29/314234/image1.jpg

that would be hilarious ha

[Slim-Rob]

Says the one who's team is one and done...


Eh I don't care. lol. At least my team isn't the Dragons :D

[SLC]

Eh I don't care. lol. At least my team isn't the Dragons :D


You should come up with Pinion and watch the games.

[dragons08]

You should come up with Pinion and watch the games.

Doo it mannn. We'll chillax, make fun of dayday and what not.

[Slim-Rob]

I really would drive up to meet yall and watch the game if I didn't work every friday and saturday, lol.

I would say I would make one in Austin if yall came down but that won't happen

[Slim-Rob]

btw i'm jk bout the dragons thing. SLC is amazing.

As a Judson fan I find no trouble in saying that.

[SLC]

btw i'm jk bout the dragons thing. SLC is amazing.

As a Judson fan I find no trouble in saying that.

Word.

RocketTRN = :notworthy

[Slim-Rob]

Word.

RocketTRN = :notworthy

lol

eh

[SLC93]

dragons are lame.

Eh I don't care. lol. At least my team isn't the Dragons :D

btw i'm jk bout the dragons thing. SLC is amazing.

As a Judson fan I find no trouble in saying that.

After an intensive, cyber based rehab, I am happy to announce the reclamation of RocketTRN. He's back in green, apparently, and we're glad to have him.:D

[SLC]

lol

eh


No seriously you should come up here if you can, were gonna have alot of peeps hanging out before the game... So come up if you can, and you can bring rocketgrl too...:)

[dragons08]

No seriously you should come up here if you can, were gonna have alot of peeps hanging out before the game... So come up if you can, and you can bring rocketgrl too...:)

I'll talk some sense into homeboy later.

[SLC]

I'll talk some sense into homeboy later.

Good. It'll be fun.

[Slim-Rob]

Next year i'll make it to a game...lol. It would be fun to chill wit u fools

[dragons08]

Next year i'll make it to a game...lol. It would be fun to chill wit u fools

doood, i'l come down to sa one weeek. we'll partaaay.

[SLC]

Next year i'll make it to a game...lol. It would be fun to chill wit u fools

Awesome. Or how bout this.. We make it to the state title game, I will buy your ticket and pay for your hotel costs if you come to Houston and watch us play.

[dragons08]

Awesome. Or how bout this.. We make it to the state title game, I will buy your ticket and pay for your hotel costs if you come to Houston and watch us play.

Will you pay for mine too?

[SLC]

Will you pay for mine too?


Maybe.

[dragons08]

Maybe.

You already tried that on me.

That makes anotehr lie.

Im not coming saturday anymore.

[SLC]

You already tried that on me.

That makes anotehr lie.

Im not coming saturday anymore.

BS... You will have your donkey over there on Saturday or you will face the wrath...:cool:

I said maybe.. Thats not no, and its not yes... It's maybe.

[dragons08]

BS... You will have your donkey over there on Saturday or you will face the wrath...:cool:

I said maybe.. Thats not no, and its not yes... It's maybe.
AKA "we'll see", meaning hell no.

[SLC]

AKA "we'll see", meaning hell no.

Thats not the case at all.. If we are so lucky as to be going to the state final, I will be so over joyed that I will proly take care of ya.:)

Is that better?

[DragonFan0316]

Ah we have gotten to the part of the week where we stop talking football. I know I am out of breath and wish the game was today. Let's revive the talk of this weeks game though. It is the only thing that holds me over. All due respect to TRN.:)

[SLC]

Ah we have gotten to the part of the week where we stop talking football. I know I am out of breath and wish the game was today. Let's revive the talk of this weeks game though. It is the only thing that holds me over. All due respect to TRN.:)


Absolutely sir... You are correct, I stumbled for a second as I had to assure these young'ns that if we are to be so lucky to take part in a championship game in Houston, that I would take care of their fare..

But back on point.. I am planning on losing my voice on Saturday as I will be cheering louder than ever.. Our boys need all the support we can muster. We were loud against Heritage, but need to be twice that against Chill.

[Southlake Carroll Dragons]

SLCISBETTERTHANYOU. I like the avatar photo. The Dragons will be scoring a bunch of touchdowns this saturday.:D

[SLC]

SLCISBETTERTHANYOU. I like the avatar photo. The Dragons will be scoring a bunch of touchdowns this saturday.:D


I hope you are right sir... Last week I changed my avatar to a photo from last years Carroll/Hearitage game and when whoped up on the kitties..

So this week I changed it to a photo from the Carroll/Chill last year... So... I'm hoping we get the same result.:)

[Southlake Carroll Dragons]

I hope you are right sir... Last week I changed my avatar to a photo from last years Carroll/Hearitage game and when whoped up on the kitties..

So this week I changed it to a photo from the Carroll/Chill last year... So... I'm hoping we get the same result.:)

We will make the same result. The Dragons will be pumped up!!! and taking one game at a time. On max preps they put down that we lost against colleyville isnt that weird here is the link. http://www.maxpreps.com/texas/football/carroll-(southlake)/schedule.aspx?schoolid=fbce2bd4-14b1-4d70-affe-b7d2d746a418&ssid=2f36027d-d6f6-4509-aba9-adad5cc85b5e&urpath=,local,team

[dragons08]

Absolutely sir... You are correct, I stumbled for a second as I had to assure these young'ns that if we are to be so lucky to take part in a championship game in Houston, that I would take care of their fare..

But back on point.. I am planning on losing my voice on Saturday as I will be cheering louder than ever.. Our boys need all the support we can muster. We were loud against Heritage, but need to be twice that against Chill.

Please tell me you won't be bringing a shaker in along with your clorox wipes.

[dragons08]

Thats not the case at all.. If we are so lucky as to be going to the state final, I will be so over joyed that I will proly take care of ya.:)

Is that better?

This.

We shall worry about this later, we gotta take care of this CHill butt whopping this weekend.

[SLC]

Please tell me you won't be bringing a shaker in along with your clorox wipes.


I use my voice only... no shakers!..:cool:

[SLC]

This.

We shall worry about this later, we gotta take care of this CHill butt whopping this weekend.


Word.:cool:

[Pinion]

I use my voice only... no shakers!..:cool:

lies.. you have that milk jug painted green with the cute little curly ribbons tied to it. :D

[SLC]

lies.. you have that milk jug painted green with the cute little curly ribbons tied to it. :D


Wrong... I'm a man. I'm 37!......:notworthy

[rocketgrl94]

Wrong... I'm a man. I'm 37!......:notworthy

37 doesnt just make u a man!:rolleyes:.....C'mon SLCyoushouldknowbetterthanthat:p

[SLC]

37 doesnt just make u a man!:rolleyes:.....C'mon SLCyoushouldknowbetterthanthat:p

Calm down maam.:)

[Slim-Rob]

I would love to come to the state game if yall made it...but I wouldn't need a hotel to go to houston, I'd drive out there for the day, but I would still have to work that saturday. lol



And D08, when I live by myself we'll make it a party :D

[dragons08]

I would love to come to the state game if yall made it...but I wouldn't need a hotel to go to houston, I'd drive out there for the day, but I would still have to work that saturday. lol



And D08, when I live by myself we'll make it a party :D

Def man. We'll go party it up.

[SLC]

I would love to come to the state game if yall made it...but I wouldn't need a hotel to go to houston, I'd drive out there for the day, but I would still have to work that saturday. lol



And D08, when I live by myself we'll make it a party :D

It was just an offer.. And it will still stand if we make it and you change your mind.

[dragons08]

It was just an offer.. And it will still stand if we make it and you change your mind.

He defered the option to me.

[rocketgrl94]

It was just an offer.. And it will still stand if we make it and you change your mind.

it will be one big happy bromance for all of ya!!!:p

[Pinion]

He defered the option to me.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b42/austinitecutie79/hitler-grammer.jpg

this

[SLC]

Its the sound of Dragonssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss sssssssssssssssssssss

[E-Vol-ution]

SLC set the bar in the DFW area for a sound system and tradition combined.
If you look around, many other teams have emulated that very system and are in the midst of establishing tradition. Thanks for the format, but we are trying to do it better than you with twist of our own. Arlington Bowie among others..........is in the side view as opposed to the rear view of the past.
.Its the sound of Dragonssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss sssssssssssssssssssss

[SLC]

SLC set the bar in the DFW area for a sound system and tradition combined.
If you look around, many other teams have emulated that very system and are in the midst of establishing tradition. Thanks for the format, but we are trying to do it better than you with twist of our own. Arlington Bowie among others..........is in the side view as opposed to the rear view of the past.
.


You are correct, there are many programs getting better and better. It makes for better football overall when teams have to step their game up to play great.. Its a win win for Texas high school football all the way around.

[Green Dragon]

Hey Chauncey!!!!
Hal wrecked the Porsche!!!!

[drgnbkr]

Hey Chauncey!!!!
Hal wrecked the Porsche!!!!

I think Hal's going to take Chauncey's place...Just my humble...

[Slim-Rob]

It was just an offer.. And it will still stand if we make it and you change your mind.


Guess not :(

[dragons08]

Hey Chauncey!!!!
Hal wrecked the Porsche!!!!

That's an understatement...

[1985sammy]

Hey Chauncey!!!!
Hal wrecked the Porsche!!!!

I predict Cedar Hill will run the table. Their offensive line was unbelievable. By far and away this was the toughest team we faced all year. Our young defensive lineup was not able to take on an offensive foe like Cedar Hill.

Southlake had a good year. Losing your starting QB mid-season can really throw a team off base. There is a lot of pressure on QB's in the playoffs especially QB's who have never been there before. Overall Southlake was a young team that had some holes.

As far as Wasson is concerned, he has had two good years. Losing your starting QB last year in the playoffs and losing your starter this year is more than most coaches can handle. Southlake....don't start acting like George Steinbrenner did with Joe Torre. SL cannot always win every year nor every other year. We should be better next year on defense with all those returning. A big question next year will be the offense. Who will be the QB?
What kind of receiving corp will we have?

[4rings]

I predict Cedar Hill will run the table. Their offensive line was unbelievable. By far and away this was the toughest team we faced all year. Our young defensive lineup was not able to take on an offensive foe like Cedar Hill.

Southlake had a good year. Losing your starting QB mid-season can really throw a team off base. There is a lot of pressure on QB's in the playoffs especially QB's who have never been there before. Overall Southlake was a young team that had some holes.

As far as Wasson is concerned, he has had two good years. Losing your starting QB last year in the playoffs and losing your starter this year is more than most coaches can handle. Southlake....don't start acting like George Steinbrenner did with Joe Torre. SL cannot always win every year nor every other year. We should be better next year on defense with all those returning. A big question next year will be the offense. Who will be the QB?
What kind of receiving corp will we have?

I agree. Our championship teams all had their starting QBs finish the season. Losing KP was a blow that a young team could not recover from. The backup played well in spirts...KP's consistency, decision-making, and leadership was missing. Hal isn't Todd, but Todd never had to deal with adversity like Hal has....well, come to think of it, he's had to deal with adversity the same 2 years as Hal and isn't enjoying it either (fun times at UNT).

[crunked9]

SLC got beat by a better team today. Plain and simple.

[yankee]

lack of a true number 1 receiver hurt carroll the whole year, along with little depth at wr.

kyle williamson will be the starter next fall barring injury. mark it down. :)

gonna be a very good team next year. state is not out of the realm of possibility with the group of guys coming back IMO.

[Dragonfan2004]

Hey Chauncey!!!!
Hal wrecked the Porsche!!!!

Maguire's Ferari out ran Hal's Porsche! :o

[Sakatha]

lack of a true number 1 receiver hurt carroll the whole year, along with little depth at wr.

kyle williamson will be the starter next fall barring injury. mark it down. :)

gonna be a very good team next year. state is not out of the realm of possibility with the group of guys coming back IMO.

No knock on DP @ all here, but I really wanted to see what he could do during some of these times we struggled. Not having a #1 WR all year was the biggest problem.

~DnM

[Drgnlady]

I think Hal's going to take Chauncey's place...Just my humble...

I said this at the game yesterday. Great minds...

[Pingdude]

I predict Cedar Hill will run the table. Their offensive line was unbelievable. By far and away this was the toughest team we faced all year. Our young defensive lineup was not able to take on an offensive foe like Cedar Hill.

I notice a trend every team that has beaten or played SLC close this year is the next great team. Marcus is great, Hebron is really really great, and overall SLC plays in the toughest district in the State >> etc. etc. etc.

Reality is district 6-5A is completely out of the PO's in the 2nd week and Cedar Hill was a missed 29 yard FG and a conversion on 4th and 22 in OT away from being done last week against a 5-5 4th place team.

[CCCSportsFan]

I said this at the game yesterday. Great minds...

I'm right there with you, and from the comments I've been hearing, we have a lot of company with this prediction...

[CCCSportsFan]

Hey Chauncey!!!!
Hal wrecked the Porsche!!!!

Very good analogy Green Dragon and let me add to it...

No doubt the 2004-6 teams were 911 Turbo's... At the beginning of the year this team looked like a 911 without the turbocharger. What we saw out there yesterday was a base level Boxster... A Boxster is built in the fine "tradition" of all Porsches, but just doesn't have the same capabilities and that was on display yesterday.

When you loose your starting QB it's awfully tough to recover, especially in the murders row of Region 1 this year.

I've made this comment a couple times before, one of the biggest mistakes made after KP went down was to not give KW a chance. IF we would have been able to consistently throw mid-range passes yesterday it would have made a difference, and that pass is a strength of KW's. I'm not going so far as to say we'd have won, because CHill played incredible yesterday and put a ton of pressure on DP. But, I think we would have been in this game until the final seconds.

Hang in their Dragon players, your community is very proud of you :notworthy

[Trojan4653]

Very good analogy Green Dragon and let me add to it...

No doubt the 2004-6 teams were 911 Turbo's... At the beginning of the year this team looked like a 911 without the turbocharger. What we saw out there yesterday was a base level Boxster... A Boxster is built in the fine "tradition" of all Porsches, but just doesn't have the same capabilities and that was on display yesterday.

When you loose your starting QB it's awfully tough to recover, especially in the murders row of Region 1 this year.

I've made this comment a couple times before, one of the biggest mistakes made after KP went down was to not give KW a chance. IF we would have been able to consistently throw mid-range passes yesterday it would have made a difference, and that pass is a strength of KW's. I'm not going so far as to say we'd have won, because CHill played incredible yesterday and put a ton of pressure on DP. But, I think we would have been in this game until the final seconds.

Hang in their Dragon players, your community is very proud of you :notworthy

Good season...tough injury breaks.....wait till next year:notworthy

[SLCbacker]

Very good analogy Green Dragon and let me add to it...

No doubt the 2004-6 teams were 911 Turbo's... At the beginning of the year this team looked like a 911 without the turbocharger. What we saw out there yesterday was a base level Boxster... A Boxster is built in the fine "tradition" of all Porsches, but just doesn't have the same capabilities and that was on display yesterday.
When you loose your starting QB it's awfully tough to recover, especially in the murders row of Region 1 this year.

I've made this comment a couple times before, one of the biggest mistakes made after KP went down was to not give KW a chance. IF we would have been able to consistently throw mid-range passes yesterday it would have made a difference, and that pass is a strength of KW's. I'm not going so far as to say we'd have won, because CHill played incredible yesterday and put a ton of pressure on DP. But, I think we would have been in this game until the final seconds.

Hang in their Dragon players, your community is very proud of you :notworthy

What we saw yesterday was a Chevy Blazer with just enough gas to get back to Fossil Ridge!....A place where Mediocrity is accepted and an 8-3 season is good.

[SLCbacker]

Hey Chauncey!!!!
Hal wrecked the Porsche!!!!

Hal wrecked the Porsche last year....but since his dad is a TV repairman with an awesome set of tools...not many of you noticed. :rolleyes:

[drgnbkr]

I want to add my thanks to the Seniors! Great job guys...there were fewer of you than normal this year with all of the Juniors, but you did your job and helped nurture the underclassmen on what it is to Protect the Tradition. Good luck in all that you do, and again, thanks!

[CCCSportsFan]

Hal wrecked the Porsche last year....but since his dad is a TV repairman with an awesome set of tools...not many of you noticed. :rolleyes:


I should have included the 2007 team as also being in the 911 Turbo class, from a talent perspective.

[trojanbacker]

You guys beat our next opponent, Arlington. Any thoughts on what Trinity needs to do? I know nothing about AHS.

[E-Vol-ution]

I hope you guys stop trying to throw your coach under the bus. He's a class guy who just didn't have the super kids of the past.

[dragonpants]

I hope you guys stop trying to throw your coach under the bus. He's a class guy who just didn't have the super kids of the past.

Carroll has always been smaller and slower etc. That never bothered us in the past. No one is questiniong whether Hal is a nice guy or a classy guy. He is just not a great football coach. Does not make him a bad guy.

The reason for the spread is that when run properly dinking and dunking it is a great equalizer.

He had super kids last year in terms of what everyone thought from a talent standpoint and look what happened. We can even deal with that, it is how he reacted that we have a problem with.

As a community we support the kids that is what this is all about and with how hard they work and the expectations they have they need a leader to get them there, not step in their way.

We love these kids and if we did not we would not be as passionate as we are.

[dragonpants]

You guys beat our next opponent, Arlington. Any thoughts on what Trinity needs to do? I know nothing about AHS.


They have huge match up problems with ya'll. They try and run a similar type offense and they really are not good, at least not at the point of the season that we played them.

You will not have to make any adjustments. Simply run your core offense and defense and you will win big.

Great win vs Plano yesterday, I will be with you the guys the rest of the way.

[CCHS77]

Carroll has always been smaller and slower etc. That never bothered us in the past. No one is questiniong whether Hal is a nice guy or a classy guy. He is just not a great football coach. Does not make him a bad guy.

The reason for the spread is that when run properly dinking and dunking it is a great equalizer.

He had super kids last year in terms of what everyone thought from a talent standpoint and look what happened. We can even deal with that, it is how he reacted that we have a problem with.
As a community we support the kids that is what this is all about and with how hard they work and the expectations they have they need a leader to get them there, not step in their way.

We love these kids and if we did not we would not be as passionate as we are.

Its how some fans "paint" how he reacted, that some fans have a problem with.

[BigRing5311]

As the title says, this is the "Carroll Dragon Fan Thread", so I'd like to thank all of the Carroll Fans who have supported this team and its coaches this year. I would also like to thank the Band, Emerald Belles, Cheerleaders and The Crew for all of the hard work and dedication they contributed. Most importantly thank you to this years senior players for their leadership, determination and true spirit of "Protecting The Tradition"; you did it with class and dignity in the face of a tremendous amount of adversity.

[drgnbkr]

Its how some fans "paint" how he reacted, that some fans have a problem with.

:notworthy:notworthy

[slcdragonfan]

I notice a trend every team that has beaten or played SLC close this year is the next great team. Marcus is great, Hebron is really really great, and overall SLC plays in the toughest district in the State >> etc. etc. etc.

Reality is district 6-5A is completely out of the PO's in the 2nd week and Cedar Hill was a missed 29 yard FG and a conversion on 4th and 22 in OT away from being done last week against a 5-5 4th place team.

6-5A is out in the second round, I guess that does say something, although Hebron did compete and could have been in Round 3 quite easily. We saw a great O-Line with both Marcus and Hebron, I don't know that CH was better than them, but they were certainly good enough today. We can't win if our offense only puts up 10 before trash time. Whatever the reason.

[drgnbkr]

6-5A is out in the second round, I guess that does say something, although Hebron did compete and could have been in Round 3 quite easily. We saw a great O-Line with both Marcus and Hebron, I don't know that CH was better than them, but they were certainly good enough today. We can't win if our offense only puts up 10 before trash time. Whatever the reason.

Absolutely the story of the game from our side.

[SLC]

As the title says, this is the "Carroll Dragon Fan Thread", so I'd like to thank all of the Carroll Fans who have supported this team and its coaches this year. I would also like to thank the Band, Emerald Belles, Cheerleaders and The Crew for all of the hard work and dedication they contributed. Most importantly thank you to this years senior players for their leadership, determination and true spirit of "Protecting The Tradition"; you did it with class and dignity in the face of a tremendous amount of adversity.


Well said Ring... Well said... I'm agree on the seniors.. Good luck to you boys in the future...:notworthy

[slcdragonfan]

...

I've made this comment a couple times before, one of the biggest mistakes made after KP went down was to not give KW a chance. IF we would have been able to consistently throw mid-range passes yesterday it would have made a difference, and that pass is a strength of KW's. I'm not going so far as to say we'd have won, because CHill played incredible yesterday and put a ton of pressure on DP. But, I think we would have been in this game until the final seconds.

Hang in their Dragon players, your community is very proud of you

Both of these. As far as the first one, I was thinking that we pull DP early and give KW a shot, because our output was not there (I have not looked at the numbers yet). No knock on DP, but we really NEEDED the deep to mid range pass, and it was only there once or twice.

I am going to wait a bit before saying more. I am as always very proud of the Dragon community and especially the players, band, drill team, cheerleaders, etc. The sting of a loss is painful, but as long as you put everything out there you can walk away proud, knowing we are proud of you. There is no shame in a loss, only in losing poorly or not playing your best. You did neither.:notworthy

[E-Vol-ution]

Here's where people get caught offguard about Arlington, Mansfield and similar teams. Arlington is coached by Eddie Peach's son of Arlington Lamar. That man is one of the best coaches in Texas history.
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree except he is more high tech.
This Peach will pass to set up the run. He has an abundance of talent and the QB alone can put it anywhere on the field he wants. The backs are dangerous and elusive. He will have a good game plan and try to make you do what you don't. I suspect Trinity would win it in the trenches....that's their forte. But don't underestimate these guys, they are much better than early in the season when they faced you.They have huge match up problems with ya'll. They try and run a similar type offense and they really are not good, at least not at the point of the season that we played them.

You will not have to make any adjustments. Simply run your core offense and defense and you will win big.

Great win vs Plano yesterday, I will be with you the guys the rest of the way.

[CCCSportsFan]

Both of these. As far as the first one, I was thinking that we pull DP early and give KW a shot, because our output was not there (I have not looked at the numbers yet). No knock on DP, but we really NEEDED the deep to mid range pass, and it was only there once or twice.

I am going to wait a bit before saying more. I am as always very proud of the Dragon community and especially the players, band, drill team, cheerleaders, etc. The sting of a loss is painful, but as long as you put everything out there you can walk away proud, knowing we are proud of you. There is no shame in a loss, only in losing poorly or not playing your best. You did neither.:notworthy

I've got to bite my tongue as well from the perspective of critiquing any of the kids individually. I know there are many of the Dragon posters on here who had boys on the sidelines yesterday. These kids aren't just numbers on the back of a uniform, but boys we've watched grow up. They've raided our refrigerators and pantry's; and brought us a lot of laughter and probably a few minutes or so or frustration over the years :)

At the end of the day I hope their years as Dragon players have prepared them to be solid citizens and more importantly great father's some day.

I guess having a group of them sitting in the den last night and realizing they're still just kids has mellowed me some today.

[E-Vol-ution]

SLC has a lot to be proud of even in defeat.
You guys had coaching staff in it's second year, good kids with no shining star this past year, and a revamping of what you had due to injury.
Don't tarnish the accomplishments of this year with past success as the barometer.
Tradition and a sound system were the forte you still possess.
It just wasn't your year and there's much more competition than in the past. Many of us have emulated your system.

[dragons08]

lack of a true number 1 receiver hurt carroll the whole year, along with little depth at wr.

kyle williamson will be the starter next fall barring injury. mark it down. :)

gonna be a very good team next year. state is not out of the realm of possibility with the group of guys coming back IMO.

You're right, no deep threat. We missed the Renfro's, the Tomlin's, the Jacobson, the Brainard's, etc.

[dragonpants]

Here's where people get caught offguard about Arlington, Mansfield and similar teams. Arlington is coached by Eddie Peach's son of Arlington Lamar. That man is one of the best coaches in Texas history.
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree except he is more high tech.
This Peach will pass to set up the run. He has an abundance of talent and the QB alone can put it anywhere on the field he wants. The backs are dangerous and elusive. He will have a good game plan and try to make you do what you don't. I suspect Trinity would win it in the trenches....that's their forte. But don't underestimate these guys, they are much better than early in the season when they faced you.

I know this is not on target for this thread but what are you smoking. Neither of the Peach's are more than mediocre coaches. Eddie has just been coaching long enough to get to 300 and his son is no better, he has some notoriety because he is on the radio that is it. Lineweaver is leaps and bounds a better coach with much better football talent.
Eddie has 300 wins and how many state championships?

[TrojanMom88]

I know this is not on target for this thread but what are you smoking. Neither of the Peach's are more than mediocre coaches. Eddie has just been coaching long enough to get to 300 and his son is no better, he has some notoriety because he is on the radio that is it. Lineweaver is leaps and bounds a better coach with much better football talent.
Eddie has 300 wins and how many state championships?

I don't know about Coach Peach, coach Lineweaver had his 100th win at Trinity last week.

[slcdragonfan]

I'm not one to lay blame on a coach, unless it is for the Cowboys! I do wonder if the staff wasn't coaching to the talent level that they had. In a couple of key positions, the talent level just isn't there to be as aggressive as in seasons past, and that leads to a different type of play list.

Just some thoughts, but I really hate to see so much blame put on the staff when sometimes a team just don't have what it takes in all parts of the game to win a championship. Just ask Coach Dodge at UNT.

I've wondered that as well. However, 3-5 Piland rushing calls when we are down close to the goal, why do the same thing over and over? Then pass when everybody knew we were going to pass? That is the CHILL game resulting in 3 points instead of 7. In the Hebron game, goal line push, same thing. Result? NO score. If we start inside the 20-30, you can bet that 9 times out of 10 it is a rush, Piland or Avers. That is a nice conservative call, but when you are predictable, you get stuffed, unless you are a Trinity. It is playing the safe play, understood. But do you play not to lose, or play to win? Personally, I felt the talent level we have/had was good enough to get us to at least Round 4 (esp after Abilene went out), and possibly to the finals in Division II. Also, I feel we had the talent to play the CHILL game closer than the result.
I have been one to support our staff and give them every chance to be successful. I still support them and believe they are good folks. But IMO this game was lost by the offense, and it was lost because we did not have a game plan that let them succeed. If we are worried about the medium pass, then we are one dimensional. Either put the two backs in (THAT WAS CREATIVE! and well appreciated, AND WORKED!) and go with it, or try a different player to get the pass working. Perhaps KW is not physically ready, I don't know. We were able to move down the field at the end, dinking and dunking. That could be because CHILL was laying off, but it could also be because we had desperation make us take chances.

I know this is all arm-chair QBing. I know there are lots of things we don't know or understand, I am probably missing many things here, so let me know what I am missing. At this time, the season is over, we are in the Loser's Lounge, and it is time to do some evaluating. We have two seasons now, a pretty good Won/Loss record, have had many injuries, and some things to think about.

[toonman]

lack of a true number 1 receiver hurt carroll the whole year, along with little depth at wr.

kyle williamson will be the starter next fall barring injury. mark it down. :)

gonna be a very good team next year. state is not out of the realm of possibility with the group of guys coming back IMO.


I agree that the lack of a true #1 WR hurt the Dragons, but Wasson's play calling prevented a true #1 WR emerging - Josh Rake could have been that stand out WR. Conservative play calling, very rarely passing on First Down, no kill the will plays, not going for the TD on second and short, lack of hurry up offense, lack of upping the tempo of the offense - all things which have been hallmarks of Dragon teams have been lacking. Many of the staple passing plays which were more often than not successful in recent seasons were not used. The WRs were not put into situations where they could be successful.

I hate to burst your bubble, but no matter how returning players there are, the Dragons will have a 2009 season just like the 2008; as long as the current coaching staff are in place.

[toonman]

....Todd never had to deal with adversity like Hal has....well, come to think of it, he's had to deal with adversity the same 2 years as Hal and isn't enjoying it either (fun times at UNT).

...but I bet Todd would have has a back-up plan prepared; to ensure that the team did not miss a beat.

[toonman]

What we saw yesterday was a Chevy Blazer with just enough gas to get back to Fossil Ridge!....A place where Mediocrity is accepted and an 8-3 season is good.

This made me smile.

[SLC]

I've wondered that as well. However, 3-5 Piland rushing calls when we are down close to the goal, why do the same thing over and over? Then pass when everybody knew we were going to pass? That is the CHILL game resulting in 3 points instead of 7. In the Hebron game, goal line push, same thing. Result? NO score. If we start inside the 20-30, you can bet that 9 times out of 10 it is a rush, Piland or Avers. That is a nice conservative call, but when you are predictable, you get stuffed, unless you are a Trinity. It is playing the safe play, understood. But do you play not to lose, or play to win? Personally, I felt the talent level we have/had was good enough to get us to at least Round 4 (esp after Abilene went out), and possibly to the finals in Division II. Also, I feel we had the talent to play the CHILL game closer than the result.
I have been one to support our staff and give them every chance to be successful. I still support them and believe they are good folks. But IMO this game was lost by the offense, and it was lost because we did not have a game plan that let them succeed. If we are worried about the medium pass, then we are one dimensional. Either put the two backs in (THAT WAS CREATIVE! and well appreciated, AND WORKED!) and go with it, or try a different player to get the pass working. Perhaps KW is not physically ready, I don't know. We were able to move down the field at the end, dinking and dunking. That could be because CHILL was laying off, but it could also be because we had desperation make us take chances.

I know this is all arm-chair QBing. I know there are lots of things we don't know or understand, I am probably missing many things here, so let me know what I am missing. At this time, the season is over, we are in the Loser's Lounge, and it is time to do some evaluating. We have two seasons now, a pretty good Won/Loss record, have had many injuries, and some things to think about.

I agree, talent or lack thereof did not lose us that game yesterday.



The 2 back formation caused Chill fits and resulted in a touchdown. And we never tryed it again.


Kyle Williamson should have been given more time in the Heritage game. He also should have been played yesterday when we got down.

[slcdragonfan]

I agree that the lack of a true #1 WR hurt the Dragons, but Wasson's play calling prevented a true #1 WR emerging - Josh Rake could have been that stand out WR. Conservative play calling, very rarely passing on First Down, no kill the will plays, not going for the TD on second and short, lack of hurry up offense, lack of upping the tempo of the offense - all things which have been hallmarks of Dragon teams have been lacking. Many of the staple passing plays which were more often than not successful in recent seasons were not used. The WRs were not put into situations where they could be successful.

I hate to burst your bubble, but no matter how returning players there are, the Dragons will have a 2009 season just like the 2008; as long as the current coaching staff are in place.

I saw that displayed at the Marcus game when Piland came in for Kyle. And it worked very well. We used it at times, but not consistently. In the final drive against CHILL you saw it. It is definitely needed. When CHILL was out of timeouts in the first half, we were a little more speedy as well, that was the perfect time to push the pedal down and open full throttle, they could not adjust.

[CCCSportsFan]

I don't know about Coach Peach, coach Lineweaver had his 100th win at Trinity last week.

Congrats to him TrojanMom!

[CCCSportsFan]

I don't know about Coach Peach, coach Lineweaver had his 100th win at Trinity last week.

I don't either, other than he's a poor radio broadcaster....

[15Adragon]

Trends are interesting... here is something to ponder.

Is the spread offense starting to lose its edge? Early on teams loaded with D1 talent were helpless trying to stop smaller and slower teams running the spread. When coupled with flawless execution it overwhelmed opponents. Now so many teams run the spread and 7 on 7 is played all summer that it makes you wonder if it is losing its edge.

For example, look at the remaining teams in the brutal DII region1. At least 3 of the 4 are strong running teams - maybe all 4. Look at the teams that have led the area in O all season. Abilene, SLC, CHHS, and others are all out of the playoffs.

Maybe the spread is so common place that the pendulum is swinging back to the smash-mouth running teams as they have learned how to defense/contain the spread.

I'm not saying I agree with this but I am just bringing this up for discussion / consideration. We still either led or were right at the top in O staistical categories. I think there is still a place for it, but it needs continual innovation in the form of new formations and plays.

[CCCSportsFan]

I agree that the lack of a true #1 WR hurt the Dragons, but Wasson's play calling prevented a true #1 WR emerging - Josh Rake could have been that stand out WR. Conservative play calling, very rarely passing on First Down, no kill the will plays, not going for the TD on second and short, lack of hurry up offense, lack of upping the tempo of the offense - all things which have been hallmarks of Dragon teams have been lacking. Many of the staple passing plays which were more often than not successful in recent seasons were not used. The WRs were not put into situations where they could be successful.

I hate to burst your bubble, but no matter how returning players there are, the Dragons will have a 2009 season just like the 2008; as long as the current coaching staff are in place.

I know it's early but are any of our receivers getting college looks??? Any classification is fine be it DI, DII or DIII.

The only seniors I know moving to the next level are KP and BB...

[CCCSportsFan]

Trends are interesting... here is something to ponder.

Is the spread offense starting to lose its edge? Early on teams loaded with D1 talent were helpless trying to stop smaller and slower teams running the spread. When coupled with flawless execution it overwhelmed opponents. Now so many teams run the spread and 7 on 7 is played all summer that it makes you wonder if it is losing its edge.

For example, look at the remaining teams in the brutal DII region1. At least 3 of the 4 are strong running teams - maybe all 4. Look at the teams that have led the area in O all season. Abilene, SLC, CHHS, and others are all out of the playoffs.

Maybe the spread is so common place that the pendulum is swinging back to the smash-mouth running teams as they have learned how to defense/contain the spread.

I'm not saying I agree with this but I am just bringing this up for discussion / consideration. We still either led or were right at the top in O staistical categories. I think there is still a place for it, but it needs continual innovation in the form of new formations and plays.

Interesting observation... It seems teams that have more of an option feel are the ones moving onwards in the playoffs. Even if they line up in a spread formation.

The spread also requires a ruthless play caller and someone who is thinking 2 or 3 plays ahead of the DC...

[CCCSportsFan]

I agree that the lack of a true #1 WR hurt the Dragons, but Wasson's play calling prevented a true #1 WR emerging - Josh Rake could have been that stand out WR. Conservative play calling, very rarely passing on First Down, no kill the will plays, not going for the TD on second and short, lack of hurry up offense, lack of upping the tempo of the offense - all things which have been hallmarks of Dragon teams have been lacking. Many of the staple passing plays which were more often than not successful in recent seasons were not used. The WRs were not put into situations where they could be successful.

I hate to burst your bubble, but no matter how returning players there are, the Dragons will have a 2009 season just like the 2008; as long as the current coaching staff are in place.

I hate to say it, but save this quote because you are really on to something.

[15Adragon]

I've wondered that as well. However, 3-5 Piland rushing calls when we are down close to the goal, why do the same thing over and over? Then pass when everybody knew we were going to pass? That is the CHILL game resulting in 3 points instead of 7. In the Hebron game, goal line push, same thing. Result? NO score. If we start inside the 20-30, you can bet that 9 times out of 10 it is a rush, Piland or Avers. That is a nice conservative call, but when you are predictable, you get stuffed, unless you are a Trinity. It is playing the safe play, understood. But do you play not to lose, or play to win? Personally, I felt the talent level we have/had was good enough to get us to at least Round 4 (esp after Abilene went out), and possibly to the finals in Division II. Also, I feel we had the talent to play the CHILL game closer than the result.
I have been one to support our staff and give them every chance to be successful. I still support them and believe they are good folks. But IMO this game was lost by the offense, and it was lost because we did not have a game plan that let them succeed. If we are worried about the medium pass, then we are one dimensional. Either put the two backs in (THAT WAS CREATIVE! and well appreciated, AND WORKED!) and go with it, or try a different player to get the pass working. Perhaps KW is not physically ready, I don't know. We were able to move down the field at the end, dinking and dunking. That could be because CHILL was laying off, but it could also be because we had desperation make us take chances.

I know this is all arm-chair QBing. I know there are lots of things we don't know or understand, I am probably missing many things here, so let me know what I am missing. At this time, the season is over, we are in the Loser's Lounge, and it is time to do some evaluating. We have two seasons now, a pretty good Won/Loss record, have had many injuries, and some things to think about.

That is all we have left. Let me know when you are ready for the headset, so we can track it down. ;)

[SLC]

I think there is still a place for it, but it needs continual innovation in the form of new formations and plays.

The spread also requires a ruthless play caller and someone who is thinking 2 or 3 plays ahead of the DC...


Begs to question the underlying problem.... This staff must be creative and learn to call plays.. They should know whats needed and react to it a few plays ahead. Some calls this season, even some that worked didnt really make much sense.

[dragons08]

Begs to question the underlying problem.... This staff must be creative and learn to call plays.. They should know whats needed and react to it a few plays ahead. Some calls this season, even some that worked didnt really make much since.

Since what? It's weird, somethings just never make sense unless typed in full.

[SLC]

Since what? It's weird, somethings just never make sense unless typed in full.

Fine I fixed it... Good god man... Stop with the grammer patrol stuff.

[dragons08]

Fine I fixed it... Good god man... Stop with the grammer patrol stuff.

You're going to have to fix your attitude. Your attitude is atrocious. ;)

[Slim-Rob]

meow

[SLC]

You're going to have to fix your attitude. Your attitude is atrocious. ;)

Shut it.;)

[SLC]

Alrighty... today begins anew... What will the offseason bring for the team and the program as a whole.. I for one am hoping the kids are focusing on the books.. And the coaching staff is studying tape and going over the truckload of notes from the season. You gotta step it up guys. I wonder if they have a play calling clinic they can attend, like the QB clinics, or the kicker clinics.. Could it be that they just need to be coached as well.

These were some thought's I had as I drove to work this morning.

[toonman]

I have refrained from commenting on the Dragons loss to Cedar Hill until today. I want to be sure that I am objective in my critique of the game and season. Firstly well done and thank you to all the players for some great memories this season. However 3 losses in one season and now 5 losses in 2 seasons is unacceptable to a program which had only 2 losses in the previous 5 prior seasons. I grade the coaches as an F, as Saturday’s game plan and preparation is probably the worst I have seen in at least 8 years.

Too often this season the players were not put in a position to succeed and this is best exemplified by Wasson’s game plan against Cedar Hill. It seems to me that Wasson’s game plan was to play to not lose rather than a game plan to go out and win the game. The Dragons plays were so un-Carroll like it was untrue. It was just like watching the many many teams that Carroll has beaten over the years, who struggled in vain to match the tempo of the Dragons high octane play – Saturday was most definitely low octane and positively insipid.

Where was the aerial assault on the Cedar Hill defense? Carroll has never gone into a game with the single strategy of running the ball. In the Spread Offense the running game compliments the passing game – it is not the game plan in itself. You cannot win by running the ball with diminutive running backs. Dragon Running Backs are there to keep the defense honest, as part of the spread offense, but when it becomes the entire offense game plan - that is a recipe for disaster. You will be successful if you have a big, strong and fast running back in the mold of Cedar Hill’s Ben Malena - then you game plan around a running back which will succeed; as it did for Cedar Hill.

The Cedar Hill Secondary must have thought Christmas had come early when Carroll just did not throw the ball. I cannot remember when I last saw such an anemic offense performance by the Dragons, which is a direct result of the plays called in by the coaching staff. 93 yards of offense in the first half is not symbolic of a Dragon offense, let alone a spread offense - it is more like a team wanting to grind it out on the ground and use up the clock.

Too many times Wasson plays it safe. There is no “kill the will”. Opponents were often beaten in the first quarter by the very style of the Dragon Offense; throwing the ball, like cruise missiles flying through the air. Wasson’s greatest success is that the Green Uniform and the Helmets with the Dragon Logo on the side; no longer instills fear into opponents. The Dragons no longer have the aura of invincibility and under Wasson’s leadership; all opponents now believe they can win. Every first down play was a run, no going for the killer TD on second and short, No hurry up offense for a change of tempo, etc.

This next season will be Wasson’s third season and many Dragon fans have said that Wasson needs time and Wasson needs to have his own team. Well you got what you wished for; as that Dragon performance on Saturday against Cedar Hill was as far removed from a Todd Dodge Game plan as you could possibly get. Welcome to the failed new world of Southlake Carroll Football.

This is going to be a long off-season and despite the return of many starters - I am not at all optimistic for the 2009 season. I hope I am proved wrong.

[SLCbacker]

I have refrained from commenting on the Dragons loss to Cedar Hill until today. I want to be sure that I am objective in my critique of the game and season. Firstly well done and thank you to all the players for some great memories this season. However 3 losses in one season and now 5 losses in 2 seasons is unacceptable to a program which had only 2 losses in the previous 5 prior seasons. I grade the coaches as an F, as Saturday’s game plan and preparation is probably the worst I have seen in at least 8 years.

Too often this season the players were not put in a position to succeed and this is best exemplified by Wasson’s game plan against Cedar Hill. It seems to me that Wasson’s game plan was to play to not lose rather than a game plan to go out and win the game. The Dragons plays were so un-Carroll like it was untrue. It was just like watching the many many teams that Carroll has beaten over the years, who struggled in vain to match the tempo of the Dragons high octane play – Saturday was most definitely low octane and positively insipid.

Where was the aerial assault on the Cedar Hill defense? Carroll has never gone into a game with the single strategy of running the ball. In the Spread Offense the running game compliments the passing game – it is not the game plan in itself. You cannot win by running the ball with diminutive running backs. Dragon Running Backs are there to keep the defense honest, as part of the spread offense, but when it becomes the entire offense game plan - that is a recipe for disaster. You will be successful if you have a big, strong and fast running back in the mold of Cedar Hill’s Ben Malena - then you game plan around a running back which will succeed; as it did for Cedar Hill.

The Cedar Hill Secondary must have thought Christmas had come early when Carroll just did not throw the ball. I cannot remember when I last saw such an anemic offense performance by the Dragons, which is a direct result of the plays called in by the coaching staff. 93 yards of offense in the first half is not symbolic of a Dragon offense, let alone a spread offense - it is more like a team wanting to grind it out on the ground and use up the clock.

Too many times Wasson plays it safe. There is no “kill the will”. Opponents were often beaten in the first quarter by the very style of the Dragon Offense; throwing the ball, like cruise missiles flying through the air. Wasson’s greatest success is that the Green Uniform and the Helmets with the Dragon Logo on the side; no longer instills fear into opponents. The Dragons no longer have the aura of invincibility and under Wasson’s leadership; all opponents now believe they can win. Every first down play was a run, no going for the killer TD on second and short, No hurry up offense for a change of tempo, etc.

This next season will be Wasson’s third season and many Dragon fans have said that Wasson needs time and Wasson needs to have his own team. Well you got what you wished for; as that Dragon performance on Saturday against Cedar Hill was as far removed from a Todd Dodge Game plan as you could possibly get. Welcome to the failed new world of Southlake Carroll Football.

This is going to be a long off-season and despite the return of many starters - I am not at all optimistic for the 2009 season. I hope I am proved wrong.

Well said Toonman. Saturday was our low...the lack of preperation and failure to make adjustments was unaccepable. The Katy guys sat with us at the game and didn't even recognize the team in Green.

Sometimes a man gets in a job that is too big, or simply not a good fit, for him. At companies like Microsoft or Google, they are displaced quickly. At GM, or the telephone company, they get promoted. With no AD in place, or a new AD coming in with no history here, I worry how this will play out.

[drgnbkr]

Well said Toonman. Saturday was our low...the lack of preperation and failure to make adjustments was unaccepable. The Katy guys sat with us at the game and didn't even recognize the team in Green.

Sometimes a man gets in a job that is too big, or simply not a good fit, for him. At companies like Microsoft or Google, they are displaced quickly. At GM, or the telephone company, they get promoted. With no AD in place, or a new AD coming in with no history here, I worry how this will play out.

Chauncey Willingham, our interim AD has been here through all of the Carroll success. The program is in good hands.

[DragonFan0316]

I have refrained from commenting on the Dragons loss to Cedar Hill until today. I want to be sure that I am objective in my critique of the game and season. Firstly well done and thank you to all the players for some great memories this season. However 3 losses in one season and now 5 losses in 2 seasons is unacceptable to a program which had only 2 losses in the previous 5 prior seasons. I grade the coaches as an F, as Saturday’s game plan and preparation is probably the worst I have seen in at least 8 years.

Too often this season the players were not put in a position to succeed and this is best exemplified by Wasson’s game plan against Cedar Hill. It seems to me that Wasson’s game plan was to play to not lose rather than a game plan to go out and win the game. The Dragons plays were so un-Carroll like it was untrue. It was just like watching the many many teams that Carroll has beaten over the years, who struggled in vain to match the tempo of the Dragons high octane play – Saturday was most definitely low octane and positively insipid.

Where was the aerial assault on the Cedar Hill defense? Carroll has never gone into a game with the single strategy of running the ball. In the Spread Offense the running game compliments the passing game – it is not the game plan in itself. You cannot win by running the ball with diminutive running backs. Dragon Running Backs are there to keep the defense honest, as part of the spread offense, but when it becomes the entire offense game plan - that is a recipe for disaster. You will be successful if you have a big, strong and fast running back in the mold of Cedar Hill’s Ben Malena - then you game plan around a running back which will succeed; as it did for Cedar Hill.

The Cedar Hill Secondary must have thought Christmas had come early when Carroll just did not throw the ball. I cannot remember when I last saw such an anemic offense performance by the Dragons, which is a direct result of the plays called in by the coaching staff. 93 yards of offense in the first half is not symbolic of a Dragon offense, let alone a spread offense - it is more like a team wanting to grind it out on the ground and use up the clock.

Too many times Wasson plays it safe. There is no “kill the will”. Opponents were often beaten in the first quarter by the very style of the Dragon Offense; throwing the ball, like cruise missiles flying through the air. Wasson’s greatest success is that the Green Uniform and the Helmets with the Dragon Logo on the side; no longer instills fear into opponents. The Dragons no longer have the aura of invincibility and under Wasson’s leadership; all opponents now believe they can win. Every first down play was a run, no going for the killer TD on second and short, No hurry up offense for a change of tempo, etc.

This next season will be Wasson’s third season and many Dragon fans have said that Wasson needs time and Wasson needs to have his own team. Well you got what you wished for; as that Dragon performance on Saturday against Cedar Hill was as far removed from a Todd Dodge Game plan as you could possibly get. Welcome to the failed new world of Southlake Carroll Football.

This is going to be a long off-season and despite the return of many starters - I am not at all optimistic for the 2009 season. I hope I am proved wrong.


Agree brother. This is not Dragon Football. Changes are needed.

[Green Dragon]

I've got to bite my tongue as well from the perspective of critiquing any of the kids individually. I know there are many of the Dragon posters on here who had boys on the sidelines yesterday. These kids aren't just numbers on the back of a uniform, but boys we've watched grow up. They've raided our refrigerators and pantry's; and brought us a lot of laughter and probably a few minutes or so or frustration over the years :)

At the end of the day I hope their years as Dragon players have prepared them to be solid citizens and more importantly great father's some day.

I guess having a group of them sitting in the den last night and realizing they're still just kids has mellowed me some today.

How true this is...!!!! It is hard to imagine that these guys are the same athletes who proudly wear the Dragon everywhere who transform to just kids eating me out of house and home watching another football game Sat night(TT vs OU) and playing armchair QB with that game just like we do with their games.

[Green Dragon]

I am proud of our program and what our athletes have accomplished. Realistically, I know it is impossible to win all the time and we have been blessed with the success we have had in the past. The dynamics of this year were very different from seasons of the past (hurricanes and cancelled games and key injuries). Even so we make the playoffs and have some success that over half of the school programs in Texas still dream of having. I wish our seniors well in their future and thank them. I hope they appreciate their successes and learn from their failures to make them better adults in the future. My older son (Soph in college...Dragon from TD's last State team) sits back with a whole new outlook at what they accomplished in perspective of recent teams. He just treasures that moment in the Alamodome when time ran out and they were State Champs for the third time in a row. At the time it was like "OK, just another title for Carroll." Now it is a benchmark in his life. Go ask Justin Padron how he feels now about that!!! Same feeling.

[CCCSportsFan]

Chauncey Willingham, our interim AD has been here through all of the Carroll success. The program is in good hands.

Guys, there is a ton of wisdom in this post by drgnbkr... As always :notworthy

[crunked9]

I have refrained from commenting on the Dragons loss to Cedar Hill until today. I want to be sure that I am objective in my critique of the game and season. Firstly well done and thank you to all the players for some great memories this season. However 3 losses in one season and now 5 losses in 2 seasons is unacceptable to a program which had only 2 losses in the previous 5 prior seasons. I grade the coaches as an F, as Saturday’s game plan and preparation is probably the worst I have seen in at least 8 years.

Too often this season the players were not put in a position to succeed and this is best exemplified by Wasson’s game plan against Cedar Hill. It seems to me that Wasson’s game plan was to play to not lose rather than a game plan to go out and win the game. The Dragons plays were so un-Carroll like it was untrue. It was just like watching the many many teams that Carroll has beaten over the years, who struggled in vain to match the tempo of the Dragons high octane play – Saturday was most definitely low octane and positively insipid.

Where was the aerial assault on the Cedar Hill defense? Carroll has never gone into a game with the single strategy of running the ball. In the Spread Offense the running game compliments the passing game – it is not the game plan in itself. You cannot win by running the ball with diminutive running backs. Dragon Running Backs are there to keep the defense honest, as part of the spread offense, but when it becomes the entire offense game plan - that is a recipe for disaster. You will be successful if you have a big, strong and fast running back in the mold of Cedar Hill’s Ben Malena - then you game plan around a running back which will succeed; as it did for Cedar Hill.

The Cedar Hill Secondary must have thought Christmas had come early when Carroll just did not throw the ball. I cannot remember when I last saw such an anemic offense performance by the Dragons, which is a direct result of the plays called in by the coaching staff. 93 yards of offense in the first half is not symbolic of a Dragon offense, let alone a spread offense - it is more like a team wanting to grind it out on the ground and use up the clock.

Too many times Wasson plays it safe. There is no “kill the will”. Opponents were often beaten in the first quarter by the very style of the Dragon Offense; throwing the ball, like cruise missiles flying through the air. Wasson’s greatest success is that the Green Uniform and the Helmets with the Dragon Logo on the side; no longer instills fear into opponents. The Dragons no longer have the aura of invincibility and under Wasson’s leadership; all opponents now believe they can win. Every first down play was a run, no going for the killer TD on second and short, No hurry up offense for a change of tempo, etc.

This next season will be Wasson’s third season and many Dragon fans have said that Wasson needs time and Wasson needs to have his own team. Well you got what you wished for; as that Dragon performance on Saturday against Cedar Hill was as far removed from a Todd Dodge Game plan as you could possibly get. Welcome to the failed new world of Southlake Carroll Football.

This is going to be a long off-season and despite the return of many starters - I am not at all optimistic for the 2009 season. I hope I am proved wrong.

Looking at the game plan.

1. Qb has accuracy issues.
2. WR's can't catch.
3. WR's are not a deep threat.

Looking at those three issues. I would say it would be hard to make a good passing attack game plan.

In the 2nd qtr SLC used a 2 back set and ran all over CH. Then one of the RB's was injured. Which sorta killed that plan.

I don't think the game plan was the reason why the SLC D couldn't stop the run. I think it had to do with they can't tackle! Same problem all year.

Also, wasson does not call the plays 95% of the time. It is his OC who has no imagination.

[Green Dragon]

[QUOTE=toonman;1012526]
Too often this season the players were not put in a position to succeed and this is best exemplified by Wasson’s game plan against Cedar Hill. It seems to me that Wasson’s game plan was to play to not lose rather than a game plan to go out and win the game. The Dragons plays were so un-Carroll like it was untrue. It was just like watching the many many teams that Carroll has beaten over the years, who struggled in vain to match the tempo of the Dragons high octane play – Saturday was most definitely low octane and positively insipid.


Too many times Wasson plays it safe. There is no “kill the will”. Opponents were often beaten in the first quarter by the very style of the Dragon Offense; throwing the ball, like cruise missiles flying through the air. Wasson’s greatest success is that the Green Uniform and the Helmets with the Dragon Logo on the side; no longer instills fear into opponents. The Dragons no longer have the aura of invincibility and under Wasson’s leadership; all opponents now believe they can win. Every first down play was a run, no going for the killer TD on second and short, No hurry up offense for a change of tempo, etc.


QUOTE]

This is so right on point!!! Hal is a nice guy. Maybe too nice. Maybe he would be better as AD. We need someone to inspire our younger athletes now with confidence and leadership that taps into that Dragon desire to be the best all the time, which comes from "the Tradition" of the past.

[SLC]

Chauncey Willingham, our interim AD has been here through all of the Carroll success. The program is in good hands.

I agree. Chauncey will be good for us in these times. He knows more than all, how to get us on track.

[CCHS77]

Looking at the game plan.

1. Qb has accuracy issues.
2. WR's can't catch.
3. WR's are not a deep threat.

Looking at those three issues. I would say it would be hard to make a good passing attack game plan.

In the 2nd qtr SLC used a 2 back set and ran all over CH. Then one of the RB's was injured. Which sorta killed that plan.

I don't think the game plan was the reason why the SLC D couldn't stop the run. I think it had to do with they can't tackle! Same problem all year.

Also, wasson does not call the plays 95% of the time. It is his OC who has no imagination.

Dang it c9!!!! Quit that. We're here to blame the HC. Didn't you get the memo?

[crunked9]

Dang it c9!!!! Quit that. We're here to blame the HC. Didn't you get the memo?

Oh! My bad!!

I can't believe the HC didn't make that pass, and that catch!

And oh my gosh, the HC is the worst tackler ever!!!



Is that better? :D

[green day]

Where was the aerial assault on the Cedar Hill defense? Carroll has never gone into a game with the single strategy of running the ball. In the Spread Offense the running game compliments the passing game – it is not the game plan in itself. You cannot win by running the ball with diminutive running backs. Dragon Running Backs are there to keep the defense honest, as part of the spread offense, but when it becomes the entire offense game plan - that is a recipe for disaster.



Toon, gotta argue this a bit.

Our starting RB carried 12 times against Hebron, 13 against Lewisville, 1 time( injured) against Colleyville and 9 times against Cedar Hill. Nathan carried a bunch in the Colleyville game, but no one seemed concerned afterwards. I'm not sure where this supports your concern raised. That looks like an "honest" use of that position

[CCCSportsFan]

Looking at the game plan.

1. Qb has accuracy issues.
2. WR's can't catch.
3. WR's are not a deep threat.
Looking at those three issues. I would say it would be hard to make a good passing attack game plan.

In the 2nd qtr SLC used a 2 back set and ran all over CH. Then one of the RB's was injured. Which sorta killed that plan.

I don't think the game plan was the reason why the SLC D couldn't stop the run. I think it had to do with they can't tackle! Same problem all year.

Also, wasson does not call the plays 95% of the time. It is his OC who has no imagination.

This caught my eye in the first quarter of the Plano West game. Because of the lack of a deep threat, in fairness to the coaches, it had to alter the game plan.

Face it we've had some very fast WR's the past several year; Renfro, Tomlin, Smitter, Jacobson, Brainard and Cantu. And a lot of these guys were on the same team together which would force the opposing DC to game plan differently against us.

[SLC]

Oh! My bad!!

I can't believe the HC didn't make that pass, and that catch!

And oh my gosh, the HC is the worst tackler ever!!!



Is that better? :D

LOL..


But on that note.. Isnt the HC in charge of the program and team, where the players making the pass, catch, and tackles are teens and need to be taught the proper ways to do all those things?

[crunked9]

This caught my eye in the first quarter of the Plano West game. Because of the lack of a deep threat, in fairness to the coaches, it had to alter the game plan.

Face it we've had some very fast WR's the past several year; Renfro, Tomlin, Smitter, Jacobson, Brainard and Cantu. And a lot of these guys were on the same team together which would force the opposing DC to game plan differently against us.

They did alittle. With trying to run a 2 back set. But one Rb got injured

[SLC]

Toon, gotta argue this a bit.

Our starting RB carried 12 times against Hebron, 13 against Lewisville, 1 time( injured) against Colleyville and 9 times against Cedar Hill. Nathan carried a bunch in the Colleyville game, but no one seemed concerned afterwards. I'm not sure where this supports your concern raised. That looks like an "honest" use of that position



I will say for me its not running the ball, its continuing to call the runs for the QB instead of the RB.

[CCCSportsFan]

They did alittle. With trying to run a 2 back set. But one Rb got injured

I didn't make my point clear... Due to the lack of a real burner at WR they had to alter the play calling all season. The few really deep balls that KP threw early in the season, our WR's were lucky to be within 3-4 yards of where the ball came down. In the past, Brainard, Tomlin, Jacobson, ect... are there and make the catch.

Nothing against the kids, but it was just reality. Correct me if I'm wrong guys, but I don't see any of the WR's coming up having that kind of speed?

[crunked9]

LOL..


But on that note.. Isnt the HC in charge of the program and team, where the players making the pass, catch, and tackles are teens and need to be taught the proper ways to do all those things?

This is true. and the only way to know if it is a lack of focus, skill, etc. or a lack of proper mechanics(which is the coaches responsibilty) is to watch the film and take a closer look.

[crunked9]

I didn't make my point clear... Due to the lack of a real burner at WR they had to alter the play calling all season. The few really deep balls that KP threw early in the season, our WR's were lucky to be within 3-4 yards of where the ball came down. In the past, Brainard, Tomlin, Jacobson, ect... are there and make the catch.

Nothing against the kids, but it was just reality. Correct me if I'm wrong guys, but I don't see any of the WR's coming up having that kind of speed?

This is true SLC has had deep threats every year since 2000. But they did not this year.

And since the deep ball was not there this year. And short passes seemed to be dropped way too much. It just was't like past teams.

[Maxthedog]

Oh! My bad!!

I can't believe the HC didn't make that pass, and that catch!

And oh my gosh, the HC is the worst tackler ever!!!



Is that better? :D

NO actually it's not Crucked!
After another year of poor tackling, dropped pass's, bad O and D scheme, no running game and 5 yard pass plays till ya puke, getting knocked out of the PO's after 1 or 2 games, my guess is,,being the hardcore Dragon that you are, YOU will be Pissed.

[crunked9]

Naw, not pissed. Just want people to understand that its the players that play the game.

If you can't tackle, catch and block.

YOU CAN NOT WIN!!!

It does not matter who the coach is!

[15Adragon]

Naw, not pissed. Just want people to understand that its the players that play the game.

If you can't tackle, catch and block.

YOU CAN NOT WIN!!!

It does not matter who the coach is!

Wait a second. I am trying to give the HC the benefit of the doubt. He is a leader of young men and I think he genuinely cares for their well being while balancing the pressure and the need for results but this can't tackle, catch and block is a bunch of bull. Injuries brother injuries! Let's see how far Allen goes if their QB is out.

The D finally puts the Chill into a passing situation and we have the corners 10+ yards off the ball and they complete the pass for the first down. We have it first and goal with a 7-0 lead and don't try and put it into the end zone until everyone in TS knows we need to pass. I could go on and on with examples that even a casual observer can see. It is more than the players. You win as a team and lose as a team.

[crunked9]

Wait a second. I am trying to give the HC the benefit of the doubt. He is a leader of young men and I think he genuinely cares for their well being while balancing the pressure and the need for results but this can't tackle, catch and block is a bunch of bull. Injuries brother injuries! Let's see how far Allen goes if their QB is out.

The D finally puts the Chill into a passing situation and we have the corners 10+ yards off the ball and they complete the pass for the first down. We have it first and goal with a 7-0 lead and don't try and put it into the end zone until everyone in TS knows we need to pass. I could go on and on with examples that even a casual observer can see. It is more than the players. You win as a team and lose as a team.

I know injuries happen, But they still had problems catching and tackling. My girl friend who knows little to none about football details saw this problem

[Green Dragon]

Naw, not pissed. Just want people to understand that its the players that play the game.

If you can't tackle, catch and block.

YOU CAN NOT WIN!!!

It does not matter who the coach is!

But isn't it the COACH by definition of the word the one responsible for getting the players to do these things. If he sees things wrong he needs to help COACH them to do it right. Same problems, two different years. The fundamentals need to be re-addressed and these coaches need to take the blinders off and realize it. Not practicing these things in practice for whatever various reasons they give (not wanting to get hurt or not enough time) makes an old school player like me go crazy when you don't see them do it on game day. You play like you practice and we have gotten very unfocused in practice to allow the fundamentals slip away. I even heard a PeeWee coach tell me the other day they do not tackle in their practice "because the varsity doesn't do it" Arrrgh! That goes back on the COACHES!

[crunked9]

Does anyone remember what it was like going into the 2002 season and SLC wasn't supposed to win more than 4 games. SLC had something to prove.

Now it seems like everone expects everything to be great and SLC is the greatest and all that crap.

[crunked9]

But isn't it the COACH by definition of the word the one responsible for getting the players to do these things. If he sees things wrong he needs to help COACH them to do it right. Same problems, two different years. The fundamentals need to be re-addressed and these coaches need to take the blinders off and realize it. Not practicing these things in practice for whatever various reasons they give (not wanting to get hurt or not enough time) makes an old school player like me go crazy when you don't see them do it on game day. You play like you practice and we have gotten very unfocused in practice to allow the fundamentals slip away. I even heard a PeeWee coach tell me the other day they do not tackle in their practice "because the varsity doesn't do it" Arrrgh! That goes back on the COACHES!

I agree with you practice fundamentals. I didnt go to a single practice this year so I don't know what they do at practice.

Back when I played, we didn't even have water :D

[CCCSportsFan]

But isn't it the COACH by definition of the word the one responsible for getting the players to do these things. If he sees things wrong he needs to help COACH them to do it right. Same problems, two different years. The fundamentals need to be re-addressed and these coaches need to take the blinders off and realize it. Not practicing these things in practice for whatever various reasons they give (not wanting to get hurt or not enough time) makes an old school player like me go crazy when you don't see them do it on game day. You play like you practice and we have gotten very unfocused in practice to allow the fundamentals slip away. I even heard a PeeWee coach tell me the other day they do not tackle in their practice "because the varsity doesn't do it" Arrrgh! That goes back on the COACHES!

I've got some good news for you guys. Some of the teams practiced old school full contact tackling at every practice this year. Their records and playoff appearances reflected this too :D

Let's just hope they don't loose this skill by the time they're out of middle school!

[CCCSportsFan]

I agree with you practice fundamentals. I didnt go to a single practice this year so I don't know what they do at practice.

Back when I played, we didn't even have water :D

You're right, they gave you guys Gatorade :notworthy

[crunked9]

You're right, they gave you guys Gatorade :notworthy

Haha! Maybe....

I do remember that everytime I saw the D getting yelled at at practice and having to do up-downs. I would call for water :)

[15Adragon]

I agree with you practice fundamentals. I didnt go to a single practice this year so I don't know what they do at practice.

Back when I played, we didn't even have water :D

Neither did we. Back then we didn't get water whenever we needed it. We had 1 or 2 scheduled water breaks and the linemen were the first to dip their cups into the water bucket. By the time us WR's and DB's go to the water there was so much crude floating in it that you just passed and waited until after practice. :eek:

[green day]

I will say for me its not running the ball, its continuing to call the runs for the QB instead of the RB.

The love fest for that unimaginitive, QB punishing play call is why I'll have blond haired participants in this year's Turkey Bowl game on Friday. I'm fairly certain we'll not call that play that day...

[green day]

But isn't it the COACH by definition of the word the one responsible for getting the players to do these things. If he sees things wrong he needs to help COACH them to do it right. Same problems, two different years. The fundamentals need to be re-addressed and these coaches need to take the blinders off and realize it. Not practicing these things in practice for whatever various reasons they give (not wanting to get hurt or not enough time) makes an old school player like me go crazy when you don't see them do it on game day. You play like you practice and we have gotten very unfocused in practice to allow the fundamentals slip away. I even heard a PeeWee coach tell me the other day they do not tackle in their practice "because the varsity doesn't do it" Arrrgh! That goes back on the COACHES!

To be fair, this one dates back to Todd and don't recall having too many folks concerned then...

[trojanbacker]

I don't have any input on the debate here, just wanted to say that I'm sorry you guys are out of the playoffs. I don't know anything about the coaching there, skill level, etc. I just know I always enjoy watching your kids play and interacting with the Dragon fans. One of the classiest groups of people out there. It just isn't going to be the same the rest of the way....

[Green Dragon]

The love fest for that unimaginitive, QB punishing play call is why I'll have blond haired participants in this year's Turkey Bowl game on Friday. I'm fairly certain we'll not call that play that day...

Wow! Now that something you don't hear in Southlake in the past 10 (?) years!

[crunked9]

To be fair, this one dates back to Todd and don't recall having too many folks concerned then...

True

And the reason for not tackling at practice was an injury in 2001

[green day]

True

And the reason for not tackling at practice was an injury in 2001

That's what I heard, and now you confirmed, thanks...

[dragonpants]

I didn't make my point clear... Due to the lack of a real burner at WR they had to alter the play calling all season. The few really deep balls that KP threw early in the season, our WR's were lucky to be within 3-4 yards of where the ball came down. In the past, Brainard, Tomlin, Jacobson, ect... are there and make the catch.

Nothing against the kids, but it was just reality. Correct me if I'm wrong guys, but I don't see any of the WR's coming up having that kind of speed?

The beauty of the spread is that you do not need burners. Spread the field, get one on one coverage and dink and dunk, that will open the long ball and the running game. I do not care who is running the ball. If you run up the middle each play and get no where and then are 3rd and long and they know you are going to throw, you might as well line up the power I.

[Green Dragon]

I don't have any input on the debate here, just wanted to say that I'm sorry you guys are out of the playoffs. I don't know anything about the coaching there, skill level, etc. I just know I always enjoy watching your kids play and interacting with the Dragon fans. One of the classiest groups of people out there. It just isn't going to be the same the rest of the way....

Same right back at you Trojanbacker! You go make the area proud and claim that title! There is genetics woven through both our programs though the Lineweavers and we are alot closer to you all than most think. We will be there cheering you on, sad not to be there with you but proud that you all are! Go Trojans!:notworthy:D

[green day]

Wow! Now that something you don't hear in Southlake in the past 10 (?) years!


As this is our 9th annual game, twoo, very twoo.

[Green Dragon]

True

And the reason for not tackling at practice was an injury in 2001

Really! I have heard about that but could not verify that! Unfortunate as that may have been it sure set a tone that 7 years later is a fundamental problem we need to fix. Thanks for that insight!

[CCCSportsFan]

The beauty of the spread is that you do not need burners. Spread the field, get one on one coverage and dink and dunk, that will open the long ball and the running game. I do not care who is running the ball. If you run up the middle each play and get no where and then are 3rd and long and they know you are going to throw, you might as well line up the power I.

Very good point...

Imagine the pleasant surprise for TD to then find out he had some serious burners (2001-2006). It sure helped him take the spread to a new level, especially when teams then were still trying to figure out how to defend it!

[crunked9]

Very good point...

Imagine the pleasant surprise for TD to then find out he had some serious burners (2001-2006). It sure helped him take the spread to a new level, especially when teams then were still trying to figure out how to defend it!

But you need reliable recievers.

[SLC]

But you need reliable recievers.


Walker and Rake were both very good recievers.

[Maxthedog]

But you need reliable recievers.

Buddy of mine made some interesting points Saturday.

SLC started the game with a dropped pass, and ended the game with a dropped pass. Then looked at me and said 'They have been dropping pass's every game I have seen!'
Another question he ask 'What is the deal with this offensive game plan?'
Run up the middle, QB draw, 5 yrd pass(on 3rd and 10), punt.

[Lonestar 48]

You might not need burners, although having them does allow the wr's to run past the db and safety to run down the ball, you do need quick receivers. They are running to a spot on the field, the db is running to the same spot, and the qb is passing the ball to the same spot. First one there wins, and our wr's often weren't quick enough to win the race.

[15Adragon]

The beauty of the spread is that you do not need burners. Spread the field, get one on one coverage and dink and dunk, that will open the long ball and the running game. I do not care who is running the ball. If you run up the middle each play and get no where and then are 3rd and long and they know you are going to throw, you might as well line up the power I.

Yes. You have the playbook. You have to have the nerve to call the plays, otherwise we can run the Chill or Hebron O (which are effective) and commit to the run first and pass second.

Also, when we were successful with our RB, he didn't get the carries? The QB was getting twice the # of carries. That is a mess.

[crunked9]

Walker and Rake were both very good recievers.

They both dropped too many passes.

[SLC]

They both dropped too many passes.

I agree with the dropped passes.. Rake had 60 catches and Walker had 52.. I will say that Piland often drilled the ball like a rocket, instead of taking a little off of it now and then.. KP was alot like his predacessors in that he could drill it and knew when to take a little mustard off.

[15Adragon]

They both dropped too many passes.

The older we get the better we were. I know, nobody from the state championship teams ever fumbled or threw an INT or missed a tackle or dropped a pass. Come on ... TD never made a mistake either, neither did BL... The Great Dane never had a fumble or missed a tackle. :rolleyes:

I bet these kids were there at those state championship games cheering you guys on! :)

[crunked9]

I agree with the dropped passes.. Rake had 60 catches and Walker had 52.. I will say that Piland often drilled the ball like a rocket, instead of taking a little off of it now and then.. KP was alot like his predacessors in that he could drill it and knew when to take a little mustard off.

I agree with Piland not knowing when to take some off. But They still dropped too many passes.

I'm not trying to say they didn't do good. I just saw the ball being dropped too much.

When they did catch it, they did some good things

[Green Dragon]

They both dropped too many passes.

Discipline and focus. Both of which has been a strong point in the TD era but not in the HW era. Maybe we need to drop out of the newsprint for a while and go back to basics and find the pain and hunger again.

[SLC]

I agree with Piland not knowing when to take some off. But They still dropped too many passes.

I'm not trying to say they didn't do good. I just saw the ball being dropped too much.

When they did catch it, they did some good things


Your right there were way to many dropped balls. When KP started there were 61 incomplete balls and with Piland there were 81 incomplete balls. Hey Williamson was perfect... zero dropped balls.. He was 4-4.

Also all 3 of our leading recievers were seniors.

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

I think too many people are trying to make this a black or white thing. From my perspective there were both personnel and direction issues. Without being at practice and in the film room, it's difficult to know for sure how big of a factor each was to the other. I would love to hear a film review session to understand why some of the things that happened ended up happening, but you're blind if you didn't notice that at a few spots the Dragons were either just not quite the elite talent, or not quite as physically mature, as they're used to. The physical maturity thing is something that I think has gone unmentioned for too long, especially as it pertains to poor tackling... both the physical and mental side of being a good tackler. I think some of the kids who struggled this year will end up being very, very good players next year. One thing's for sure - next year the Dragons should be loaded and it's time for them to get back to being deep in the playoffs. Would love to see what Kyle W. can do at QB and I'm anxious to see what the JR and SO classes have to offer at WR. So far most of the stars of that JR class have made their name on the defensive side of the ball instead of the offensive side (save Avers and a few OL). Maybe we can get this back on track towards being a positive thread and some of you Dragons can give us a rundown on the what the future looks like at WR?

[green day]

Discipline and focus. Both of which has been a strong point in the TD era but not in the HW era. Maybe we need to drop out of the newsprint for a while and go back to basics and find the pain and hunger again.

I feel pain, I'm hungry and not a mention about SL in the Star-Telegram today.

[green day]

I think too many people are trying to make this a black or white thing. From my perspective there were both personnel and direction issues. Without being at practice and in the film room, it's difficult to know for sure how big of a factor each was to the other. I would love to hear a film review session to understand why some of the things that happened ended up happening, but you're blind if you didn't notice that at a few spots the Dragons were either just not quite the elite talent, or not quite as physically mature, as they're used to. The physical maturity thing is something that I think has gone unmentioned for too long, especially as it pertains to poor tackling... both the physical and mental side of being a good tackler. I think some of the kids who struggled this year will end up being very, very good players next year. One thing's for sure - next year the Dragons should be loaded and it's time for them to get back to being deep in the playoffs. Would love to see what Kyle W. can do at QB and I'm anxious to see what the JR and SO classes have to offer at WR. So far most of the stars of that JR class have made their name on the defensive side of the ball instead of the offensive side (save Avers and a few OL). Maybe we can get this back on track towards being a positive thread and some of you Dragons can give us a rundown on the what the future looks like at WR?

Oak, optimistically, we have some pretty tough and seasoned linemen returning, Carnahan, Weaver, Barone. At wide-out, I see Renger, a flyer named Powell who was injured this year, a under used junior named Gentry who moved here from Aus-Westlake, two current sophs named Moser and Alexander that probably fit in. A 3rd junior QB that moved here will get tested at a different spot, why not at WR?

[toonman]

I have a couple of observations from Saturday's game which is a result of coaching or lack of.

1). Dragon CBs never look back when covering a WR on the long pass - Example the throw to the Cedar Hill WR in the second half. This is the way the CBs are coached to defend.

2). WRs looking up the field before the ball in their hands. You watch ball into your hands then look up field. This is basic skills, which should be perfect in practice and if perfect in practice would be perfect in each and every time in a game.

If the foundations, i.e. basics, are not 100% nailed down, then the whole thing will collapse.

[CCCSportsFan]

I think too many people are trying to make this a black or white thing. From my perspective there were both personnel and direction issues. Without being at practice and in the film room, it's difficult to know for sure how big of a factor each was to the other. I would love to hear a film review session to understand why some of the things that happened ended up happening, but you're blind if you didn't notice that at a few spots the Dragons were either just not quite the elite talent, or not quite as physically mature, as they're used to. The physical maturity thing is something that I think has gone unmentioned for too long, especially as it pertains to poor tackling... both the physical and mental side of being a good tackler. I think some of the kids who struggled this year will end up being very, very good players next year. One thing's for sure - next year the Dragons should be loaded and it's time for them to get back to being deep in the playoffs. Would love to see what Kyle W. can do at QB and I'm anxious to see what the JR and SO classes have to offer at WR. So far most of the stars of that JR class have made their name on the defensive side of the ball instead of the offensive side (save Avers and a few OL). Maybe we can get this back on track towards being a positive thread and some of you Dragons can give us a rundown on the what the future looks like at WR?

The current sophomore class has some very good receivers; Josh Moser and Dylan Alexander were pulled up last spring to varsity. The JV-Black team(sophomore's) had Daniel Pasche, Mac McGuire, Scott Rollin and Joe Pierce as starters. McGuire and Pasche got pulled up for the playoffs and IMHO Rollin should have as well. Several other kids who didn't start but got worked in were also good players. McGuire is the fastest of any of the sophomores and ran on the 4x400 relay team at regionals as a freshman.

Add to this mix of Paul Stevenson and Randy Williams at RB and the class has some good talent at the skill positions.

[SLC]

Oak, optimistically, we have some pretty tough and seasoned linemen returning, Carnahan, Weaver, Barone. At wide-out, I see Renger, a flyer named Powell who was injured this year, a under used junior named Gentry who moved here from Aus-Westlake, two current sophs named Moser and Alexander that probably fit in. A 3rd junior QB that moved here will get tested at a different spot, why not at WR?

Zack Bellenger (jr), and Parker Hertel (jr) as well.

[Lonestar 48]

I have a couple of observations from Saturday's game which is a result of coaching or lack of.

1). Dragon CBs never look back when covering a WR on the long pass - Example the throw to the Cedar Hill WR in the second half. This is the way the CBs are coached to defend.

2). WRs looking up the field before the ball in their hands. You watch ball into your hands then look up field. This is basic skills, which should be perfect in practice and if perfect in practice would be perfect in each and every time in a game.

If the foundations, i.e. basics, are not 100% nailed down, then the whole thing will collapse.

If a CB is beat, they never look back at the ball, they play the eyes of the receiver.
As hard as the guys were getting hit, they were probably looking to see which truck was coming. That happens in every game.

Y'all make it sound like at practice the HC and staff do nothing at all regarding football...just leave it up to the players to decide. If the players were actually coaching themselves in practice, then I think they had a fantastic year!

[slcdragonfan]

How good are Hoagland's hands? Seems he could be DB or WR.

[DragonFan0316]

Walker and Rake were both very good recievers.

One of them is.

[SLC]

How good are Hoagland's hands? Seems he could be DB or WR.


I thought about that to, but then what do you do at DB.. Similar to Josh Rake moving, we sure could have used him at DB a few times this season.

[SLC]

One of them is.

One of them?

[SLCbacker]

I posted this last month. Can't really think of anything to add, but worth repeating:

"When a mediocre coach is put in charge of a great program....the great program will become mediocre over time."

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[dragonpants]

Discipline and focus. Both of which has been a strong point in the TD era but not in the HW era. Maybe we need to drop out of the newsprint for a while and go back to basics and find the pain and hunger again.

Ok here is the way I see it and again I am waiting to make my "State of the Program" address for my 1000th post. When you run the spread you are forcing one on one coverage except for the deep passes. Where were the picks that we used to run, not a TD invention mind you, the quick out? the quick pass to the guy in the slot who is almost always given 15-20 yards, even if the db is quick you get 5-7 yards. They start cheating up and the mid range slant is open behind them. That opens up the running game because your LB's have to cover in case the receiver makes a move and gets by so they are not crashing the line.
This is basic stuff.
Remember in pre game warm ups the receivers and RB's used to catch passes and watch the ball into their hands until it was tucked. That does not happen any more. These are drills. What the hell they do at practice I can only imagine.
Does the team look inspired, even in the games we won? Nope.
Do you think they walk on the field and think" we are Carroll how much are we going to beat this team by?" as opposed to hoping we can win.
We do not tackle in practice and the last two years we are plagued by game related injuries, why would that be, their bodies are not game hitting ready.

F. it give me the headset!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, I am not a coach, that much I can promise you. I played a lot in my youth but this game has changed but I can tell you that even in college we were taught that if you block and tackle better than the other team you are going to win a lot.
Mansfield beat Abilene. How much you want to bet if we watched the game film they played over their heads with a lot of emotion and did the basics better than Abilene, sound similar to a couple of our losses????????????????

That my friends is coaching and leadership.

Damn probably blew my big 1,000 :D

[CCCSportsFan]

How good are Hoagland's hands? Seems he could be DB or WR.

I've watched him since 7th grade and he has very good hands. As witnessed by picks at Hebron and against Colleyville. I'd be surprised if they don't at least give him a look at WR this coming season.

An intangible Shawn has is he's fearless and loves contact.

[dragonpants]

Zack Bellenger (jr), and Parker Hertel (jr) as well.

Bellenger is a Sr. I believe.

[CCCSportsFan]

I thought about that to, but then what do you do at DB.. Similar to Josh Rake moving, we sure could have used him at DB a few times this season.

Both current junior and sophomore classes have some good DB's in the pipeline.

I posted on here before that last year during freshman ball Shawn started at DB and was worked in at WR every 3rd series I believe. His touch the ball to touchdown ratio was outrageous :D

[SLC]

Bellenger is a Sr. I believe.

oops... Sorry about that you are correct. It was Cameron Stone I was thinking of.

[Pinion]

I posted this last month. Can't really think of anything to add, but worth repeating:

"When a mediocre coach is put in charge of a great program....the great program will become mediocre over time."

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Great point. and so very true.

[crunked9]

the slc wr's need clayton george!

[SLC]

the slc wr's need clayton george!



As WC, OC,.......or HC?

[crunked9]

As WC, OC,.......or HC?

Just as WRC