**Carroll Dragon Fan Thread**

[slcdragonfan]

I'm sure your still getting high-fives over the lift up the skirt comment. I want you to bask in your glory.

Are you going to answer my post? I am eagerly awaiting a PM with your inside knowledge of how we violated UIL rules. Otherwise it is a accusation without basis.

[dragondad2014]

It seems to me that too many of us are reacting too quickly and too strongly to a Brett Shipp report on Channel 8. Anyone here familair with Shipp's work? The possibility of him coming up with any real dirt -- even if there was any to find -- is practically nil. He's a mile wide and an inch deep in virtually all his "investigative" stories.

Do any of you really believe that the Carroll program is guilty of any wrongdoing regarding Garman's arrival here? UIL didn't seem to think so. Fact of the matter is he has a well-known and well-pubilcized record in Oklahoma. I've read reams about it -- a lot from links listed on this Web site.

My prediction is that Shipp's report tonight -- or whenever -- will be a recitation of the kid's well-traveled high school career and the controversies associated with it, coupled with some innuendo and veiled hints (unfounded in the report itself) of impropriety and ending with Shipp's earnest signoff.

Relax, Dragon Nation. This won't even qualify as a tempest in a teapot.

(As an aside, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if one of the newbies commenting on this topic on this thread isn't Shipp himself.)

[padcrasher]

Are you going to answer my post? I am eagerly awaiting a PM with your inside knowledge of how we violated UIL rules. Otherwise it is a accusation without basis.

If you read the thread in context the "Sheriff" was responding the silly idea that a reporter asking the coach a question in front of his players was soooo over the line! He was not commenting on the specific allegations.

[slcdragonfan]

nm

[slcdragonfan]

1. So Shipp is pissed that you can buy a bigger house for less money in Southlake?

2. He won a Peabody in 2003

3. I think it's more of undermining a group of adults who don't think rules apply to them.

Prediction: You hope it vanishes. Just like the AD hoped Shipp wouldn't air the story when he threatened to sue him.

He should have just asked the Coach and AD in private if they knew they had deceived the UIL. But instead he had the audacity to bring a Video Camera to practice.

Well NO MORE, SLC will not tolerate this. They have put up black tarps on the fence and No Trespassing and no recording device signs.

I don't read it that way. Sure seems to know a lot about it though. Insider to the story mebbe. So I see it as an accusation.

[twcpfan1]

WTF is Brett Shipp. Does he live in Flower Mound?

All kidding aside. Who is he and what is he about to report?

If it's about transfers, holy crap, he could do one on just about every school this year. Many games in Week 0 could be labelled the Transfer Bowl.

[padcrasher]

Can you prove they deceived the UIL? Please PM me with details because I know our AD and coaches and team would never knowingly violate any UIL rules. And I do not think they did. And we don't need to.

Please PM me with your knowledge of that deception and what UIL rule(s) were broken.

I agree with you. It's very unlikely that "if" there was a rules violation it was intentional. Many of these violations involve paper work that was submitted incorrectly, some arcane administrative regulation, etc.

[yankee]

WTF is Brett Shipp. Does he live in Flower Mound?

All kidding aside. Who is he and what is he about to report?

he's a channel 8 reporter who's done investigative stuff before in the DFW area. the common belief is he's going to be "exposing" something about the Carroll program, whether it's our current QB who transferred from Oklahoma, or something from the past. i don't know. we'll find out in 7 hours. and it'll be the most talked about subject on here till friday. ;)

[slcdragonfan]

WTF is Brett Shipp. Does he live in Flower Mound?

All kidding aside. Who is he and what is he about to report?

I hadn't heard of him until this week. He is trying to get ratings up for a local station and conjecture is that he is reporting on our Oklahoma QB move-in. Who was UIL approved.

That's all I know. There were some practice incidents as well.

I'm sure it will get their ratings up tonight, and there will be postings of the video and all that. OF course that will only encourage and foster the same approach for other "investigative" reporting.

[the_great_state_of_TExas]

bs is little better in this thread than he has been elsewhere. i can't wait for his call up to the national reports.

can we expect bs/sheriff/dragon fvr to be around these parts after tomorrow. the good news is, of course not.

I seriously doubt we hear from bs/sheriff/dragon again after this week. It would be interesting to see the location of their IP addresses - I bet at least one of them will take you to Allison Road in Dallas.

There is a fine line between "Old Man Football Talk" on this board and maliciously attacking group of hardworking 14 to 18 year olds because you need the ratings. He could have just schedule a meeting with the to-be named district's superintend to discuss the "allegations".

You have to wonder if BS is still bitter he could not achieve his goal - "I wanted to make more money than my old man," BS says in an Dallas Observer interview so he looks to target those of us who have with this report. Imagine if he could have passed that business math class when he was a Lumberjack - he could have been my neighbor.

http://www.dallasobserver.com/content/printVersion/279358/

[worster70]

I don't read it that way. Sure seems to know a lot about it though. Insider to the story mebbe. So I see it as an accusation.
Relax Dragon Nation..you are coming UNHINGED,this smells like it could be an inside job by those who know where the bodies are buried..not by the outside 5A hoards.

[twcpfan1]

I hadn't heard of him until this week. He is trying to get ratings up for a local station and conjecture is that he is reporting on our Oklahoma QB move-in. Who was UIL approved.

That's all I know. There were some practice incidents as well.

I'm sure it will get their ratings up tonight, and there will be postings of the video and all that. OF course that will only encourage and foster the same approach for other "investigative" reporting.

Might end up being a yawner since transfers have been so prevalent all over Texas this offseason. Even more than normal. Of course it's SLC. So at least he picked on the right school for his effort to gain notoriety.

[dragonpants]

If you read the thread in context the "Sheriff" was responding the silly idea that a reporter asking the coach a question in front of his players was soooo over the line! He was not commenting on the specific allegations.

Really your employer would have no problem with a camera crew showing up at your desk to berate you in front of your subordinates spewing misleading questions about decisions your superior made?

Shipp didn't walk up in practice and politely ask to speak to Coach Wasson when practice was done. Understand this was done in front of teen-agers, our kids. Kids getting harassed at 7 on 7 trying to be polite to an adult and certainly not well equipped to handle the media much less an investigative reporter.

[dragonpants]

I agree with you. It's very unlikely that "if" there was a rules violation it was intentional. Many of these violations involve paper work that was submitted incorrectly, some arcane administrative regulation, etc.

now you are speaking sensibly. Your earlier comments were more accusatory.

[DragonFan0316]

You are in, at least you have the correct last name, mine is German.

Mine is Irish. Haven't you ever heard of the witness protection program.:cool:

[DrEdward]

May I suggest that all of the real Carroll fans simply wait until after we see what is said this evening? I suspect that it will not amount to much of anything; likely much in the way of attempted inference. There are those who will find Carroll guilty of whatever they want to believe, no matter what the truth may be. We have seen their appearance on here before; shoot, we even had a few of them on the school board for a brief time. There will be those who celebrate anything negative reported about Carroll whether it is true or not. Nothing we can do about those types.

The facts are that Carroll is an exemplary school by any measure; academic achievement, graduation rate, college attendance rate, SAT/ACT scores, diversity of course offerings, etc., none of which have much of anything to do the school's athletic successes. Those are also pretty impressive as well.

Pretty sure this won't do much good, but we can wait until the Board explodes this evening. In the meantime, I'm going to go watch the girls volleyball game.

[dragonpants]

Mine is Irish. Haven't you ever heard of the witness protection program.:cool:

Mine is simple. I was adopted.

[dragonpants]

May I suggest that all of the real Carroll fans simply wait until after we see what is said this evening? I suspect that it will not amount to much of anything; likely much in the way of attempted inference. There are those who will find Carroll guilty of whatever they want to believe, no matter what the truth may be. We have seen their appearance on here before; shoot, we even had a few of them on the school board for a brief time. There will be those who celebrate anything negative reported about Carroll whether it is true or not. Nothing we can do about those types.

The facts are that Carroll is an exemplary school by any measure; academic achievement, graduation rate, college attendance rate, SAT/ACT scores, diversity of course offerings, etc., none of which have much of anything to do the school's athletic successes. Those are also pretty impressive as well.

Pretty sure this won't do much good, but we can wait until the Board explodes this evening. In the meantime, I'm going to go watch the girls volleyball game.


Always the voice of reason. :o

[The Sheriff]

Can you prove they deceived the UIL? Please PM me with details because I know our AD and coaches and team would never knowingly violate any UIL rules. And I do not think they did. And we don't need to.

Please PM me with your knowledge of that deception and what UIL rule(s) were broken.

Sorry I did not see your question. I was busy with dragonpants

I don't know if they broke a rule or not. I'm saying that was what Shipp might have asked.

As far as your coaches never knowingly violating any UIL rule.
EVERY COACH in the state knowingly violates the 7 on 7 UIL Rules. I'm sure SLC is no different.

[The Sheriff]

I don't think anything will come of it. At the worst a slap on the wrist.
I hope no kid gets ruled ineligible, no matter who he plays for.

[the_great_state_of_TExas]

This should be fun...Reporters NEVER Fabricate Stories:rolleyes:

Ex-USA TODAY reporter faked major stories
http://www.usatoday.com/news/2004-03-18-2004-03-18_kelleymain_x.htm


Journalist Plagiarism/Fabrication Scandals - Extensive Listhttp://catalog.freedomforum.org/FFLib/JournalistScandals.htm

NYT Jason Blair resigned in the wake of plagiarism and fabrication being discovered within his stories
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair

[The Sheriff]

This should be fun...Reporters NEVER Fabricate Stories:rolleyes:

Ex-USA TODAY reporter faked major stories
http://www.usatoday.com/news/2004-03-18-2004-03-18_kelleymain_x.htm


Journalist Plagiarism/Fabrication Scandals - Extensive Listhttp://catalog.freedomforum.org/FFLib/JournalistScandals.htm

NYT Jason Blair resigned in the wake of plagiarism and fabrication being discovered within his stories
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair

So you find some stories that some reporters lie and you think a story you haven't seen is a lie?

Well I guess this story means Old Hal is guilty: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/hso/6811269.html

[dragonpants]

So you find some stories that some reporters lie and you think a story you haven't seen is a lie?

Well I guess this story means Old Hal is guilty: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/hso/6811269.html

Morton Ranch recruited and still sucks, they should get penalized.

[The Sheriff]

Morton Ranch recruited and still sucks, they should get penalized.

NOW that is funny, LOL

[Dragon Man]

Can we all get back to talking about football? I am really excitied that Dragon football is back. A new team and a new stadium. We have a lot to look forward to. I can not wait till the first home game for the football, a new t shirt, and the mega monster high def score board!!! GO DRAGONS!!!! Protect the tradition!! Lets face it, we live in the best place in the Dallas/Ft. Worth metro plex. People get jealous.

[DragonFan0316]

If we are guilty of a UIL rule than we need to be punished. Of course being guilty and having Brett Shipp say it are two different things.

[slcdragonfan]

Morton Ranch recruited and still sucks, they should get penalized.

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[toonman]

The problem is that if you throw enough mud, some of it will stick eventually.

[Drag Goon]

There is a good letter on the district website regarding the story and what SLC did before allowing a certain player to be play.

http://www.southlakecarroll.edu/

http://www.southlakecarroll.edu/files/Athletics/Open%20Letter%20WFAA%20Story%208_24_10.pdf

[slcdragonfan]

There is a good letter on the district website regarding the story and what SLC did before allowing a certain player to be play.

http://www.southlakecarroll.edu/

http://www.southlakecarroll.edu/files/Athletics/Open%20Letter%20WFAA%20Story%208_24_10.pdf

Thanks. That letter explains it all. Too bad this has to come as we enter into battle, I hope it doesn't impact our players state of mind except to perhaps fire them up.

[Montana79]

Can we all get back to talking about football? I am really excitied that Dragon football is back. A new team and a new stadium. We have a lot to look forward to. I can not wait till the first home game for the football, a new t shirt, and the mega monster high def score board!!! GO DRAGONS!!!! Protect the tradition!! Lets face it, we live in the best place in the Dallas/Ft. Worth metro plex. People get jealous.

I agree. Everyone needs to get back to talking about football. Hey, btw, I hear SL is going to have a really good qb this fall.

[dragonsdaddy]

I agree. Everyone needs to get back to talking about football. Hey, btw, I hear SL is going to have a really good qb this fall.i think that will be true whether bs/sheriff/dragon fvr has his way.

[Champion]

Sorry for the length of this post. Also if this has already been covered sorry for that as well.

I guess an article from a few years ago featured BS as well. Was BS involved in the false Dodge racism attack? Just saying I don't know for sure. The article below dives into that as well.

http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2007/nov/27/belo8-attack-south-oak-cliff-coach-should-not-be-t/?refscroll=2535

Below is the article from the above link.

I am not trained in the ways of journalism, but I have a question for Brett Shipp: When did taking a few pieces of paper from former employees running copies become investigative reporting? I had respect for Brett Shipp's work in the past, but his ambush of Coach James Mays and Donald Moten last week should not be tolerated.

Brett Shipp entered South Oak Cliff high school through a back door under false pretenses in order to obtain footage for a smear piece that he did for Channel 8. When entering the South Oak Cliff campus, visitors are supposed to enter the front door, go through a security screening and then sign in with school personnel. I know because I witnessed a SOC practice about a week before Shipp and a camera man broke into the school. I followed the rules.

I'm sure Coach Mays was shocked to see the cameras because in the 3 years that SOC has won state championships no one from the station has set foot on the campus. The basketball team was referred to as a "dynasty" in a later piece. Well Channel 8 must have just found out because this is the first I've heard of them reporting on the Golden Bears.

I'm not going in to great detail about Shipp's investigative prowess, but the report seemed to center on a couple of documents. His report made it seem like Coach Mays signed a form to transfer the student in question, when in reality, he signed the paper saying that it was O.K. for the student to enter the athletic period. A coach would not have the authority to change a student out of any class, nor into the "Reconnection" program that the story mentions.

Brett Shipp repeatedly asked Coach Mays did he cheat. His story made it seem as if Mays was avoiding questions when in reality coach was asking Shipp and his crew to follow school protocol. Apparently Shipp thinks having a camera gives you the right to circumvent the rules.

I've known Coach James Mays for about 6 years. Coach Mays and I have attended the same church and men's fellowship with him throughout that time. Each year, as soon as basketball wraps up, Mays begins meeting weekly with the men of the church. He is in attendance every week into the Fall school semester rolls back around. Once school kicks off and he begins to prepare for the basketball season, Mays bids us farewell until after the season (usually following a state title).

Even though we don't see Coach on Monday night, he is still present every Sunday. Coach Mays is part of our church's Safety ministry, making sure those who attend service get around the building alright as well as helping to maintain the security of the building. Coach Mays serves our pastor and our church faithfully in this post every Sunday.

Back on the subject of the Men's Ministry, some of the other local coaches took note of Coach Mays' weekly routine. 2 other coaches began to attend the Monday night Men's meetings after last basketball season. I guess they said if you can't beat them, join them.

In the same spirit, Coach has brought players from his SOC basketball team to church throughout the season to promote solidarity. The week before the Channel 8 story, 4 other coaches met Mays' challenge and brought their players to Friendship-West as well. What a sight it was for the congregations to see 5 teams of young men standing with their coaches.

Coach James Mays II is much more about building men than he is about winning. I have heard of Coach Mays sitting players who were passing classes because their grades were slipping though not failing. I haven't done the investigative work of Brett Shipp, but my sources tell me that 36 or 36 seniors who have played under Coach James Mays have graduated from high school and received a scholarship to play basketball in college. "Changing the grades" of one student athlete and putting the rest of the players at risk is way out of character for Mays.

There have been some great story lines to come out of SOC Basketball. There are players who have won state championships whose parents also won state championships at SOC. There's last year's team who won despite losing one of the nations best players to graduation.

This is the reason Dallas South Blog exists for instances such as this. All that is known is that SOC is accused of what I see as some trumped up charges. None of this has been proven. But all of the good news of the basketball team, players and coaches in the prior three years goes unreported in the mainstream media.

Allegations of racism against head football coach Todd Dodge at UNT have yet to be substantiated. But the Dallas Morning News was quick to solicit quotes -not ambush video after a game while they were still sweating- in support of the former Southlake Carroll coach and his staff. And why has there been no "investigation" in this case? The News, also owned by Belo, gave Mays no such opportunity in the story they ran regarding Channel 8's accusations.

Channel 8, your trash journalism has sickened me. I'm not surprised by Dale Hansen and his comments, but I expect better out of Brett Shipp. I hope Shipp and his bosses have their ducks in a row. An apology won't suffice if Coach Mays is AGAIN cleared of wrongdoing in this matter.

UPDATE: Dallas South was told that UIL Athletic Director Charles Breithaupt has sent a letter to South Oak Cliff and others apologizing for his role in the Channel 8 News story accusing the school of playing an ineligible player. The letter supposedly says that Brett Shipp's report took the UIL boss' comments out of context and makes them appear to refer to SOC when he really wasn't.

That was the first thing that I thought when I saw Dr.Breithaupt speaking on the Channel 8 report. He never addresses South Oak Cliff by name. It's Brett Shipp who voices accusations then attributes them to Dr. Breithaupt.

[Champion]

Just in from BS. Nothing new that hasn't already been shared with parents. SLC and the AD will square this up Friday. Mr. QB's dad did a great job showing a great deal of restraint. If he really wanted to hit the guy with the ice it would have happened.

[Champion]

I have complete confidence in the SLC AD and coaches to know that they would not mislead any UIL officials.

[dragonpants]

I really hope the person that started this Shirt storm is happy. Probably not going to work out too well for you now is it.

All I am going to say out of respect to your kid and the team, but I would love to have a conversation with you. Friggin Tool.

[SLCbacker]

I have complete confidence in the SLC AD and coaches to know that they would not mislead any UIL officials.

I do not think Carroll would mislead the UIL.....not so sure about the parents misleading Carroll. Tough to ignore this.

[DragonFan0316]

I don't believe Shipp waited this long to aire. To call him a tool is kind. If the player is ineligable so beit but to wait until zero week so the team can't prepare properly for Friday...Pure slime. As for the one that started all this...No comment. Never been suspended and don't want to start now.

[thestud]

I see a kid who wants to play football, so let him play. He came from another state, and as long as the place he lays his head at night is within SLC boundaries I nor anyone else should give a rats a$$ about it. this fheg shipp needs to DIAF. how far has your career sunk that you chase a high school kid and his family around with a video camera and stalk their personal lives? too bad he couldn't crack it as a real reporter and he has to stick to harassing 17 year olds. give 'em hell slc

[Champion]

High School sports is about the kids. In this case a kid and his team are having to put up with some big-time adult BS. BS and WFAA, Belo and The Dallas Morning News, need to spend their time investigating crime or terrorist organizations.

Don't let BS around your kids, or your schools. Perhaps we need to increase security in our schools to make sure BS isn't hanging out in our kids locker rooms/bathrooms or showers with his video cameras rolling. In his mind and his record speaks for itself, he does not need school permission to enter the school and videotape.

If you haul a boat around make sure you keep an eye on your rear view mirror. Mr. QB's dad needs to carry some of those spikes cops throw out to stop wild car chases or hire me as a bodyguard.

Mr. BS and the Belo organization got some increased ratings in the short run but there will be a lot of Dallas Morning News cancellations in the morning.

[DragonFan0316]

Thanks Stud. When the kid can't play on Friday Shipp will reappear claiming he has saved the world from evil. Oh well, they saw what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. The other 75 or so kids will just have to step up. Go Dragons.

[chhspantherfan]

I don't believe Shipp waited this long to aire. To call him a tool is kind. If the player is ineligable so beit but to wait until zero week so the team can't prepare properly for Friday...Pure slime. As for the one that started all this...No comment. Never been suspended and don't want to start now.


well said;)

[Champion]

The SLC AD did a great job not knowing what Mr. BS was going to throw his way.

[ktchamp97]

I feel for you, Dragon Nation, no matter how this shakes out. The way this was brought to light is deplorable. Even if there was wrongdoing, many innocent people get unnecessarily dragged through the mud.

However coincidental their appearance, Sheriff, BS, and dragonfvr are not one in the same as far as I can tell, though they clearly know him.

[slcdragonfan]

The SLC AD did a great job not knowing what Mr. BS was going to throw his way.

Mr. Ozee is a fine man. He is WAY WAY WAY above committing any kinds of nonsense. And beyond that, he doesn't have to! Tough to take that kind of onslaught without throwing a bag of ice.

By the way, I like Oklahomans, I'm tellin' ya'.:)

I wonder how those cameramen feel working with Mr. B.S.? Kinda slimy? Wash their hands when the get home?

[slcdragonfan]

I feel for you, Dragon Nation, no matter how this shakes out. The way this was brought to light is deplorable. Even if there was wrongdoing, many innocent people get unnecessarily dragged through the mud.

However coincidental their appearance, Sheriff, BS, and dragonfvr are not one in the same as far as I can tell, though they clearly know him.

thx.

[yankee]

i'm so mad i wanna punch a hole through a wall. i feel really bad for Daxx...brett shipp can DIAF.

[Drag Goon]

I don't believe Shipp waited this long to aire. To call him a tool is kind. If the player is ineligable so beit but to wait until zero week so the team can't prepare properly for Friday...Pure slime. As for the one that started all this...No comment. Never been suspended and don't want to start now.

I would rather this be brought up now instead of after some district games, especially if the player is ruled ineligible.

I can't believe how much time Channel 8 allowed for the story. The entire sports cast rarely gets that much time. Even with all that time, I have the sense that the station did not provide the entire story. :( Alot of time spent on the OK rulings which is old news.

I hope the kid's story holds up. It would be a shame for him not to get to play his hs sr year because of mistakes made by the adults (not saying that happened, just too bad if it did).

[yankee]

catching the father off guard like that is totally out of line. that's michael moore BS right there. they wanted a reaction, and they got one...and it makes him and us look bad... though i probably would have reacted in a similar way.



i really hope Ozee did his HW though. this was supposedly the guy that got AD of the year right? i have full faith in him but...

[ScottS]

Question....if things are up in the air Friday will he be held out of the game?

[DragonFan0316]

I would rather this be brought up now instead of after some district games, especially if the player is ruled ineligible.

I can't believe how much time Channel 8 allowed for the story. The entire sports cast rarely gets that much time. Even with all that time, I have the sense that the station did not provide the entire story. :( Alot of time spent on the OK rulings which is old news.

I hope the kid's story holds up. It would be a shame for him not to get to play his hs sr year because of mistakes made by the adults (not saying that happened, just too bad if it did).

There was at least one adult that made a big mistake. When the time is right all will know.:cool:

[yankee]

Question....if things are up in the air Friday will he be held out of the game?

i see no reason to hold him out until (or if) he's ruled ineligible.

[DragonFan0316]

Question....if things are up in the air Friday will he be held out of the game?

Probably so. If he plays and is later found ineligable the team will have to forfeit all games he played. We have other QB's.

[thestud]

catching the father off guard like that is totally out of line. that's michael moore BS right there. they wanted a reaction, and they got one...and it makes him and us look bad... though i probably would have reacted in a similar way.


anyone who is honest with themselves would tell you that mr garman did an outstanding job of restraining himself and not doing what needed to be done. Had that been my father, shipp would have been the feature story alright, but it would have been his eulogy. props to the kid's dad for not doing what he should have lol

[svhorns]

catching the father off guard like that is totally out of line. that's michael moore BS right there. they wanted a reaction, and they got one...and it makes him and us look bad... though i probably would have reacted in a similar way.



i really hope Ozee did his HW though. this was supposedly the guy that got AD of the year right? i have full faith in him but...

Well... no one outside of the dallas market saw it so it's not that bad.

[thestud]

Question....if things are up in the air Friday will he be held out of the game?


it's just pre-season so I don't see any reason to hold the kid out. If uil rules him ineligible it's no skin off the dragons tail.

[DragonFan0316]

it's just pre-season so I don't see any reason to hold the kid out. If uil rules him ineligible it's no skin off the dragons tail.

Great point.

[yankee]

anyone who is honest with themselves would tell you that mr garman did an outstanding job of restraining himself and not doing what needed to be done. Had that been my father, shipp would have been the feature story alright, but it would have been his eulogy. props to the kid's dad for not doing what he should have lol

true, he did ignore a couple of the initial questions. i would have snapped if they kept asking questions about my son like that. f'n scumbag.

[thestud]

Great point.


I'm not up to par on UIL rules so i'm not sure if thats the correct train of thought, but methinks that they could only strip the team of wins where the ineligible player participated. in which case, who gives a flyin furk about having preseason wins stripped.

[Champion]

I say he plays till ruled ineligible.

I am consulting with others to discuss an investigation of Mr. BS. I guess Belo, et al has his back?

I am still very impressed with the restraint shown by Mr. QB's dad.

I know CISD will be above what I think they should do, and that is ban the Belo writers and the Belo broadcasters from school property and events. I would be happy to file a restraining order for them.

Southlaker's should cancel their Dallas Morning News and ignore their TV programming once this goes away. They don't deserve our dollars and any nice stories about our community are outweighed by the aggressive and invasive and egoistic style of Mr. BS.

[slcdragonfan]

I say he plays till ruled ineligible.

I am consulting with others to discuss an investigation of Mr. BS. I guess Belo, et al has his back?

I am still very impressed with the restraint shown by Mr. QB's dad.

I know CISD will be above what I think they should do, and that is ban the Belo writers and the Belo broadcasters from school property and events. I would be happy to file a restraining order for them.

Southlaker's should cancel their Dallas Morning News and ignore their TV programming once this goes away. They don't deserve our dollars and any nice stories about our community are outweighed by the aggressive and invasive and egoistic style of Mr. BS.

Only thing I will say is the DMN folks are not a party to this, it is just the parent and WFAA. DMN folks know B.S. only too well.

[CoveMom]

I'm not up to par on UIL rules so i'm not sure if thats the correct train of thought, but methinks that they could only strip the team of wins where the ineligible player participated. in which case, who gives a flyin furk about having preseason wins stripped.

Well...I know a few football players in Copperas Cove who might remind everyone that first you have to win a game before you worry about having said win stripped... :rolleyes: ;)

Just sayin'

[Green Dragon]

I'm telling you I watched that crap on TV and my player son was in the other room. He heard our comments and he was aware of what was said and it just hurt me to know that he is entering his senior season after working so hard to start the season so full of promise with stuff like that. I saw his face and saw the anger rising in him. He was protecting not only his QB (and he is on D) but his friend. He said that Daxx's Facebook lit up with players and students voicing their support and anger at BS and he showed me some of the comments. If this doesn't get this team unified and stone cold mean, I don't know what will. My son is angry and out to prove the naysayers wrong. I hope all goes well on Friday morning but the Dragons will show up in Copperas Cove and we will play. And they will play with a purpose... starting QB or not.
Go Dragons!!!

[Drag Goon]

Well...I know a few football players in Copperas Cove who might remind everyone that first you have to win a game before you worry about having said win stripped... :rolleyes: ;)

Just sayin'

Mom, nobody is assuming a win against Cove. :notworthy This will only make it more difficult.

I have the same question. If SLC has to forfeit a predistrict win does it really matter? Of course, if we lose, it doesn't matter if we forfeit either. :D

[worster70]

I really hope the person that started this Shirt storm is happy. Probably not going to work out too well for you now is it.

All I am going to say out of respect to your kid and the team, but I would love to have a conversation with you. Friggin Tool.
I agree Pants...inside job

[svhorns]

Well... no one outside of the dallas market saw it so it's not that bad.

Nvm saw it on the website. Mr. Ozee seems pretty sketchy. Didn't really have answers. Why agree to an interview without concrete anwers? He was not confident at all in that interview. The house being up for sale on 8/10 after he said last spring was also sketchy. Can't really say what's going on but it was done poorly on both ends.

[Champion]

Nvm saw it on the website. Mr. Ozee seems pretty sketchy. Didn't really have answers. Why agree to an interview without concrete anwers? He was not confident at all in that interview. The house being up for sale on 8/10 after he said last spring was also sketchy. Can't really say what's going on but it was done poorly on both ends.

Don't know for sure about the effort to sell a home. But the assertion that the home was listed on the same day of the interview may mean something or may not mean anything. A house can be up for sale without a real estate agent or perhaps there was an agent hired prior to the 8/10 listing. The effort to sell a home if that really is important should be easily verified by some investigator.

[Champion]

Only thing I will say is the DMN folks are not a party to this, it is just the parent and WFAA. DMN folks know B.S. only too well.

This story is on the DMN website as well. Reporting what WFAA reported. Don't know if it will be in the newspaper but maybe it will be. Let's see what the Star-Telegram does with this if anything.

http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/08/wfaa-report-questions-eligibility-of-sou.html

I don't like to affect businesses with the actions of one of its employees but with news stories like this they don't get on the air especially at the top of the newscast with the amount of time without plenty of higher up thought and approval. So Mr. BS's tactics and style is approved by WFAA and Belo. The only thing newspapers and newscasts understand is readership and viewership/sponsorship.

As much as I am a news junkie, newspapers, TV and radio broadcasters become irrelevant as news sources with their smear tactics, in your face/trespassing tactics. Both left wing and right wing smearers.

I am somewhat powerless on my own against WFAA. I can stop watching their TV station which alone won't make much difference perhaps. But I don't need to pay hundreds of dollars each year for their newspaper. I'll gain some satisfaction that way.

[DrEdward]

Nvm saw it on the website. Mr. Ozee seems pretty sketchy. Didn't really have answers. Why agree to an interview without concrete anwers? He was not confident at all in that interview. The house being up for sale on 8/10 after he said last spring was also sketchy. Can't really say what's going on but it was done poorly on both ends.

Well, we all saw the BS edited version of the interview. Don't know/can't say about the balance of the interview. To tell the truth, I would have been amazed had Ozee known any date when a house in OK might have been placed on the market. But considering the rather sorry state of the real estate market last spring, delaying might have made a good deal of financial sense. But that is simply speculation on my part.

[Champion]

Let's start a website. www.investigateBS.com. What motivates him, what lies inside his mind. Does he still wet his bed? There is an affliction/syndrome which may explain Mr. BS's bravado in sticking his camera and microphone in people's faces.

[slcdragonfan]

Let's start a website. www.investigateBS.com. What motivates him, what lies inside his mind. Does he still wet his bed? There is an affliction/syndrome which may explain Mr. BS's bravado in sticking his camera and microphone in people's faces.

It has already been said: Truth, justice, and the American way.

[DragonWatcher]

The UIL rules for many of these things are the problem. The family's in some pretty obvious violations of the criteria for residence. Many of these rules seem outdated, unfair, and impractical. For those who want to know where the full info is I'm in section 442, subsection H of the UIL constitution (criteria for residence).

(1) Does the student’s parent, guardian or other person whose residence determines the student’s residence own a house or condominium or rent a house, apartment or other living quarters in the school district and attendance zone? Parents must provide documentation to
verify the purchase, lease or rental of a home located in the new attendance zone. A lease agreement or rental agreement should be for a reasonable duration.
Easy to prove given they're renting a house. Should be fine as long as it's market value (I don't believe it's not like the "investigation" insinuated).


(2) Do the student and the parent or guardian have their furniture and personal effects in the district and attendance zone? There should be no personal effects or furniture belonging to the family in the previous residence.
No proof to this either way. Depending on when the photos of the house were taken for the listing, it could be evidence against; as they're not dated they're inconclusive.

(3) Do the student and the parent or guardian receive their mail (other than office mail) in the district and attendance zone? The family should have submitted a change of mailing address to the Post Office.
Report would seem to show them in violation of this, if it was personal mail the dad retrieved from the former home.

(4) Are the parents or guardians registered to vote in the district and attendance zone? If either of the parents was registered to vote at the previous address, they should have applied for a new voter registration card at the new address.
Don't know either way.

(5) Do the parents or guardians regularly live in the district and attendance zone and intend to live there indefinitely? The new residence should accommodate the entire family. The former house should be on the market at a reasonable market price or sold, or the lease or rental agreement terminated. All utilities and telephone service should be disconnected or
no longer in the family’s name. All licensed drivers in the household should have complied with DPS regulations for changing their address.
The dad staying at the other house would violate this as I imagine it would still have electricity and other utilities still up and running if he was.

(6) Do parents live in the district and attendance zone for the first calendar year? If the parents of a contestant move from the district or school zone before the student has been in attendance for one year, the student loses athletic eligibility in the school district from which the parents move, and remains ineligible there for varsity athletics until a year is up.
This wouldn't occur till midseason if it did happen so it bears no weight now.

Now even though they are in violation of many of these rules that establish the criteria of residency, as long as they rectified all of them before six day of class, he would become eligible. Even if not, according to section 400, subsection C, an athlete who
has been in regular attendance at the participant school since the sixth class day of the present school year or has been in enrolled and in regular attendance for 15 or more calendar days
before the contest or competition (student becomes eligible on the fifteenth day) (see Section 404 and Official Interpretation #6, Appendix I);

So 15 days later he'd be declared eligible and at most (Assuming SLC wins preseason/nondistrict), Southlake would have to forfeit a few meaningless games.

Now the area thats subjective is determining if he moved for athletic reasons.
This will be determined by the DEC (District Executive Committee). Section 443 subsection B states

COMMON INDICATORS. District executive committees should look closely to determine if a student is changing schools for any athletic purpose. Some common indicators committees should include in their considerations include, but are not limited to: checking to see if a student was recruited; ascertaining whether a student was in good standing in the previous
school, either academically or in a sports program; determining if a student was unhappy with a coach in the previous school; determining if a student played on a non-school team and is transferring to the school where members of the non-school team attend; determining if a student played on a non-school team and is transferring to the school where the non-school
team coach or a relative of the non-school team coach, is the school coach; and determining if a student received individual or team instruction from a school coach and is transferring to the
school of that coach.

This is where being ineligible in Oklahoma will hurt him. While it does not make him ineligible here in Texas, the UIL constitution states that it should be taken under consideration when determining if the move was made for athletic reasons. According to section 407,

If a student’s eligibility to compete in a League contest is questioned, the student has the burden in any proceeding to establish that he or she is eligible

This means he and his family are going to have provide evidence that the move was not for athletic reasons. The dad having franchises/business in the area would seem to be the logical point here.

Were he found to be ineligible,
(d) LENGTH OF INELIGIBILITY. The district executive committee for the district into which the student moves shall determine when or if a student who moves for athletic purposes becomes eligible. See (c) above and (f) (3) below.
Note to this, subsection F,3 states that the period will be for a year, though the above language seems somewhat ambiguous if different ineligible periods can be imposed by the DEC

Overall I think he can definitely meet the criteria of residence before district, most likely non district games. The key rests on the parents ability to provide convincing evidence of reasons for the move especially in light of his would be suspension this year in Oklahoma.

[dragnmom]

Southlaker's should cancel their Dallas Morning News and ignore their TV programming once this goes away. They don't deserve our dollars and any nice stories about our community are outweighed by the aggressive and invasive and egoistic style of Mr. BS.

Already done so. DMN "ran out of papers" one too many times. DMN and Channel 8 often report each others "stories" Having been the subject of a Belo "investigation" in the past - I know that these tactics are apparently SOP....and the story itself, is NOTHING compared to what get's posted on subsequent blogs....where there is less of an editorial presence. Lastly, with less reaction, it will eventually go away, as they get interested in some other "important newsworthy story".

I hope the kids are able to use this potentially negative red herring as a positive influence. I wish them well.

[TXGridfan]

The UIL rules for many of these things are the problem. The family's in some pretty obvious violations of the criteria for residence. Many of these rules seem outdated, unfair, and impractical. For those who want to know where the full info is I'm in section 442, subsection H of the UIL constitution (criteria for residence).I have provided answers to your questions below.


Easy to prove given they're renting a house. Should be fine as long as it's market value (I don't believe it's not like the "investigation" insinuated).They were not given a discounted rate on the lease. They paid the lease rate the landlord advertised in the listing.



No proof to this either way. Depending on when the photos of the house were taken for the listing, it could be evidence against; as they're not dated they're inconclusive. [SIZE="4"] Yes, they have furniture and personal effects in their house in Southlake.

Report would seem to show them in violation of this, if it was personal mail the dad retrieved from the former home. They receive mail in Southlake and yes mail is being forwarded.

Don't know either way.The parents are registered to vote in Texas.


The dad staying at the other house would violate this as I imagine it would still have electricity and other utilities still up and running if he was.The house is on the market at a reasonable price but has not sold. All four kids attend school in Southlake. No the utilities have not been cut off, they need to be left on in order for the house to sell. All liscensed drivers now have Texas drivers liscenses.


This wouldn't occur till midseason if it did happen so it bears no weight now.

Now even though they are in violation of many of these rules that establish the criteria of residency, as long as they rectified all of them before six day of class, he would become eligible. Even if not, according to section 400, subsection C, an athlete who

So 15 days later he'd be declared eligible and at most (Assuming SLC wins preseason/nondistrict), Southlake would have to forfeit a few meaningless games.

Now the area thats subjective is determining if he moved for athletic reasons.
This will be determined by the DEC (District Executive Committee). Section 443 subsection B states



This is where being ineligible in Oklahoma will hurt him. While it does not make him ineligible here in Texas, the UIL constitution states that it should be taken under consideration when determining if the move was made for athletic reasons. According to section 407,They moved four kids to the district, not one. The move is permanent and they will purchase a home when their house sells. There are many factors involved when chosing a community in which to raise your children.



This means he and his family are going to have provide evidence that the move was not for athletic reasons. The dad having franchises/business in the area would seem to be the logical point here.

Were he found to be ineligible,

Note to this, subsection F,3 states that the period will be for a year, though the above language seems somewhat ambiguous if different ineligible periods can be imposed by the DEC

Overall I think he can definitely meet the criteria of residence before district, most likely non district games. The key rests on the parents ability to provide convincing evidence of reasons for the move especially in light of his would be suspension this year in Oklahoma. These rules were looked at before the family moved to Texas and the family has made every effort to comply with UIL rules. Thanks for doing the research and posting these questions. I hope this helps clarify things.

[chhspantherfan]

These rules were looked at before the family moved to Texas and the family has made every effort to comply with UIL rules.

I know you PM'd me and I will answer after a few calls this morning. I am confident that I know but want to verify.

[thestud]

Well...I know a few football players in Copperas Cove who might remind everyone that first you have to win a game before you worry about having said win stripped... :rolleyes: ;)

Just sayin'

Wasn't trying to be presumptious at all, and was making more of a generalization about the preseason game(s), didn't specify just one ;)

[dragonpants]

Well...I know a few football players in Copperas Cove who might remind everyone that first you have to win a game before you worry about having said win stripped... :rolleyes: ;)

Just sayin'

Never meant to insinuate a victory against Cove, just thinking about worst case scenarios. No disrespect intended at all. We respect your program and your team and look forward to meeting ya'll on Friday.

[ScottS]

Question....how can the rules demand electricity be turned off? So potential buyers tour a home without AC? When its 90+ or even 100+?

[crunked9]

http://sendables.jibjab.com/originals/what_we_call_the_news

I mean seriously BS, it is a kid trying to play football! We have major world problems, not to mention problems in the DFW area that effect thousands of lives, and he did an "investigative" report on a 17 year old kid wanting to play high school football. Not that it is not important to follow the rules, but to me it looked more like he wanted to smear the Carroll image.

But here is a question for everyone......

Does Jesuit play UIL sports???? I think they do!
Are they a private school?? Yes they are!

Do they have a school district or can they get kids from all over???? If they get kids from all over, then in no way can they be within the UIL rules!


Just a thought...

[dragonsdaddy]

This story is on the DMN website as well. Reporting what WFAA reported. Don't know if it will be in the newspaper but maybe it will be. Let's see what the Star-Telegram does with this if anything.

http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/08/wfaa-report-questions-eligibility-of-sou.html

I don't like to affect businesses with the actions of one of its employees but with news stories like this they don't get on the air especially at the top of the newscast with the amount of time without plenty of higher up thought and approval. So Mr. BS's tactics and style is approved by WFAA and Belo. The only thing newspapers and newscasts understand is readership and viewership/sponsorship.

As much as I am a news junkie, newspapers, TV and radio broadcasters become irrelevant as news sources with their smear tactics, in your face/trespassing tactics. Both left wing and right wing smearers.

I am somewhat powerless on my own against WFAA. I can stop watching their TV station which alone won't make much difference perhaps. But I don't need to pay hundreds of dollars each year for their newspaper. I'll gain some satisfaction that way.
dmn/wfaa have been pretty useless, save as a source for the nyt crosswords for quite a while. blocking channel 8 won't cause me to miss anything i usually watch. their "news" has been disney-fied for years, and without mnf, serve no purpose. please allow the print media to die with some dignity intact----oops, too late.

[toonman]

I see a kid who wants to play football, so let him play. He came from another state, and as long as the place he lays his head at night is within SLC boundaries I nor anyone else should give a rats a$$ about it. this fheg shipp needs to DIAF. how far has your career sunk that you chase a high school kid and his family around with a video camera and stalk their personal lives? too bad he couldn't crack it as a real reporter and he has to stick to harassing 17 year olds. give 'em hell slc

I agree. How is this broadcast item in the public interest? Who actually benefits apart from the hack who penned the article gains some local notoriety. All this may achieve is that a high school kid is denied an opportunity to play varsity football. The general public of North Texas has not gained one iota by this extended news item being featured. We have troops defending our freedoms in foreign lands; yet Channel 8 deemed this as one of their top news stories of the day. As usual the media have their priorities completely wrong.

[farmerfan]

http://sendables.jibjab.com/originals/what_we_call_the_news

I mean seriously BS, it is a kid trying to play football! We have major world problems, not to mention problems in the DFW area that effect thousands of lives, and he did an "investigative" report on a 17 year old kid wanting to play high school football. Not that it is not important to follow the rules, but to me it looked more like he wanted to smear the Carroll image.

But here is a question for everyone......

Does Jesuit play UIL sports???? I think they do!
Are they a private school?? Yes they are!

Do they have a school district or can they get kids from all over???? If they get kids from all over, then in no way can they be within the UIL rules!


Just a thought...

Dallas Jesuit has an attendance zone. I believe they have the same one as WT White and any kid that enters Jesuit after their freshman year must be from that attendance zone, if not, they have to sit out a year per UIL rules which is the same to anybody else who transfers for athletic reasons.
A few years ago DJ had some studs move in for soccer and it caused some controversy in the area because those kids definitely moved in to play soccer. Pied linked the article from the DMN when it happend.

[crunked9]

Dallas Jesuit has an attendance zone. I believe they have the same one as WT White and any kid that enters Jesuit after their freshman year must be from that attendance zone, if not, they have to sit out a year per UIL rules which is the same to anybody else who transfers for athletic reasons.
A few years ago DJ had some studs move in for soccer and it caused some controversy in the area because those kids definitely moved in to play soccer. Pied linked the article from the DMN when it happend.

Ok, well that's good then. Makes me hate Jesuit a little less.

Thank you farmerfan!

[farmerfan]

Ok, well that's good then. Makes me hate Jesuit a little less.

Thank you farmerfan!

One thing Jesuit backers will tell you is that they do not accept senior transfers either. I can't remember if those soccer players who moved in were seniors or not but that's just something to consider.

[toonman]

....who actually benefits apart from the hack who penned the article gains some local notoriety.......

How naive of me. I have just thought of 2 families who will benefit if Daxx is ruled ineligible.

[dragonsdaddy]

How naive of me. I have just thought of 2 families who will benefit if Daxx is ruled ineligible.
and just when we thought it was cut and dried who the real culprit is. pot meet kettle. and parents will be parents, regardless who is being hurt. thank goodness bs slept like a baby last night and every night, as his body of work and methods for doing said "work" are beyond reproach. paparazzi come in many forms, and none of them are deemed unugly by even their mothers.

[chhspantherfan]

How naive of me. I have just thought of 2 families who will benefit if Daxx is ruled ineligible.

and just when we thought it was cut and dried who the real culprit is. pot meet kettle. and parents will be parents, regardless who is being hurt. thank goodness bs slept like a baby last night and every night, as his body of work and methods for doing said "work" are beyond reproach. paparazzi come in many forms, and none of them are deemed unugly by even their mothers.

;)

[Steve Butler]

As I stated in my 1st post. Alot of new posters saying things that they can get a way with because the are hiding behind a screen name.:(

As for the team and players. Be in prayer for them. I know Nate was really ticked off. But his Mom and I talked with him and he understands that he still has a job to do no matter who is at QB.

We hosted the O-Line dinner last night and all the o-lineman and 3 qb's were there. It was awesome to how well they get along and care for each other and have each others back. Kinda like we are supposed to.

Just keep em in your prayers.


James 5:16


The prayer of a godly person is powerful. It makes things happen.

[The Sheriff]

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[the_great_state_of_TExas]

As I stated in my 1st post. Alot of new posters saying things that they can get a way with because the are hiding behind a screen name.:(

As for the team and players. Be in prayer for them. I know Nate was really ticked off. But his Mom and I talked with him and he understands that he still has a job to do no matter who is at QB.

We hosted the O-Line dinner last night and all the o-lineman and 3 qb's were there. It was awesome to how well they get along and care for each other and have each others back. Kinda like we are supposed to.

Just keep em in your prayers.


James 5:16


The prayer of a godly person is powerful. It makes things happen.

I like you Steve. You appear to be a stand-up guy. We will certainly be rootin' for Nate this year along with all the CSHS Varsity Dragons.

[Classof10Dragons]

As I stated in my 1st post. Alot of new posters saying things that they can get a way with because the are hiding behind a screen name.:(

As for the team and players. Be in prayer for them. I know Nate was really ticked off. But his Mom and I talked with him and he understands that he still has a job to do no matter who is at QB.

We hosted the O-Line dinner last night and all the o-lineman and 3 qb's were there. It was awesome to how well they get along and care for each other and have each others back. Kinda like we are supposed to.

Just keep em in your prayers.


James 5:16


The prayer of a godly person is powerful. It makes things happen.

Glad the OLine dinner tradition continues! Such wonderful memories :)
Mason called last night and 5 of the upper class OLine guys at CSU (one from Cedar Hill, another from Jesuit, NE, CO, and League City, TX) want Carroll football tshirts! I think that is one of the things that has surprised him the most, the recognition and respect the Southlake program gets from kids all over the country AND how well Carroll has prepared him for the transition to college ball.
No investigative reporter can take that experience away from our hard-working boys!

[Steve Butler]

here is what our SLC boys are about.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/08/05/2387190/southlake-carroll-football-players.html

[Steve Butler]

and another one

http://www.planostar.com/articles/2010/08/11/sports/schools/carroll/758.txt

[SLCbacker]

The ICE MAN and his son played a game of catch at three other DFW schools before last Spring. I know one HC that was real pissed he didn't transfer there.

It is a sad day in the Dragon nation. Regardless of questionable media practice, and potential whistle blowers....this is yet another sign of average management and standards that have made a great program average over the last three years.

The circumstances around this transfer have had a stench to it from day one! The story last night at best reeks of deception by the transfer family that could potentially put the entire team/program at risk. This is Carroll, we are better than this. No one player is bigger than the team/program....at least that was the mantra 4-8 years ago.

[toonman]

It is a sad day in the Dragon nation. Regardless of questionable media practice, and potential whistle blowers....this is yet another sign of average management and standards that have made a great program average over the last three years.

The circumstances around this transfer have had a stench to it from day one! The story last night at best reeks of deception by the transfer family that could potentially put the entire team/program at risk. This is Carroll, we are better than this. No one player is bigger than the team/program....at least that was the mantra 4-8 years ago.

Rearrange : Nail - Hit - The - On - Head - The.

[dragonpants]

I cannot wait to see our Dragons run through the helmet in Copperas Cove on Friday night opening a new season with a whole new group of starters.
I look forward to meeting the Cove fans and sharing a few adult beverages after the game.
It is finally here, time to support our Dragons................:yes:

[Classof10Dragons]

I cannot wait to see our Dragons run through the helmet in Copperas Cove on Friday night opening a new season with a whole new group of starters.
I look forward to meeting the Cove fans and sharing a few adult beverages after the game.
It is finally here, time to support our Dragons................:yes:

Agreed! To clarify, post #9591 was by Mrs. Co10D, as indicated by such Mommish words as "wonderful" and "our hard working boys". No manly Texas HS football fan would use such words. We use "great" and "studs". Methinks her very own screen name would make a wonderful anniversary present.

It's time to remember what football is really all about and support the 2010 Dragons, 99% of which have nothing whatsoever to do with the Channel 8 crap or the adults who are involved. If you haven't already seen this, spend 8 minutes viewing this preview of the upcoming ESPN documentary on HS football, The Boys of Fall, with Kenny Chesney's song as the inspiration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlXDo5WhQXI. It will reboot your perspective.

[DannyAdelante]

I can't really understand what's happening here with the Garman situation. How might he be ineligible?
Does he now live in Southlake (or at least the boundary that would enable him to go to school there)? Does he live with a parent/guardian there?

I haven't read everything, but from what I can make out, there is a problem with the Garman's (allegedly) still living in Oklahoma. Is that the main issue here? Didn't Tim Tebow and his mother move to an apartment in Nease HS's boundary in St. John's County, while the rest of his family lived in Trinity Christian Academy's boundary in Duval County, during Tebow's sophomore-senior years?

If someone could post a basic explanation as to what rules may have been broken here I'd really appreciate it.

[drgnbkr]

I can't really understand what's happening here with the Garman situation. How might he be ineligible?
Does he now live in Southlake (or at least the boundary that would enable him to go to school there)? Does he live with a parent/guardian there?

I haven't read everything, but from what I can make out, there is a problem with the Garman's (allegedly) still living in Oklahoma. Is that the main issue here? Didn't Tim Tebow and his mother move to an apartment in Nease HS's boundary in St. John's County, while the rest of his family lived in Trinity Christian Academy's boundary in Duval County, during Tebow's sophomore-senior years?

If someone could post a basic explanation as to what rules may have been broken here I'd really appreciate it.

The UIL has already ruled on this last spring. the district concurred on his elligibility. Shipp is an investigative reporter who wants to generate ratings for his station/self. The family lives in Southlake, has with the 4 kids since the spring but still owns a home in Okie. The dad wants to relocate his concrete business to the metromess but still commutes to his office in OKC. District committee will revisit the issue of eligibility Friday morning.

[dragonsdaddy]

and another one

http://www.planostar.com/articles/2010/08/11/sports/schools/carroll/758.txt

this reeks of something non-bs-like. how did these 2 writers expect to get their ice chests filled for free? neither seemed like they understood how to be a real journalist, like good old bs. if you can't say something harsh/damaging, why write at all?

[vtwinwilly]

I can't really understand what's happening here with the Garman situation. How might he be ineligible?
Does he now live in Southlake (or at least the boundary that would enable him to go to school there)? Does he live with a parent/guardian there?

I haven't read everything, but from what I can make out, there is a problem with the Garman's (allegedly) still living in Oklahoma. Is that the main issue here? Didn't Tim Tebow and his mother move to an apartment in Nease HS's boundary in St. John's County, while the rest of his family lived in Trinity Christian Academy's boundary in Duval County, during Tebow's sophomore-senior years?

If someone could post a basic explanation as to what rules may have been broken here I'd really appreciate it.
Danny,

The UIL rules in question are outlined here by Dragon Watcher: http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showpost.php?p=1576075&postcount=9572

It would appear that the rule that's most damaging is the one about not re-locating for Athletic purposes only, but this could be refuted by the Garman's as they 1) moved all 4 children, not just the one, and 2) Mr. Garman does own a branch of his business here.

The UIL or DEC is going to have to make a judgment call on this one.

My heart goes out to Daxx and the entire Dragon Nation as this type of rankor in week-0 does nobody any good... except Brett Shipp!:mad:

[QQQ]

So... where is everybody at this moment......http://www.unknownscreenwriter.com/images/Kubler-Ross-5-stages-of-grief-cycle.jpg

[yankee]

i'm always looking for a bargain.

[slcdragonfan]

So... where is everybody at this moment......http://www.unknownscreenwriter.com/images/Kubler-Ross-5-stages-of-grief-cycle.jpg

D&D. at the bottom.

[DannyAdelante]

Thanks vtwinwilly and drgnbkr. It all makes more sense to me now.

[Drag Goon]

Thanks vtwinwilly and drgnbkr. It all makes more sense to me now.


Danny, you didn't used to pitch in the Little League World Series did you?:D

[Champion]

Will somebody start a "Mr. BS Watch" thread? I haven't started a thread before and I am too tired to learn how to do it.

I am concerned about my son or daughter being videotaped while at school without my permission.

I am also now really aware of my surroundings when filling up my pickup.

If he is spotted, please let me know.

[drgnbkr]

Will somebody start a "Mr. BS Watch" thread? I haven't started a thread before and I am too tired to learn how to do it.

I am concerned about my son or daughter being videotaped while at school without my permission.

I am also now really aware of my surroundings when filling up my pickup.

If he is spotted, please let me know.

I think it pays to always have a bag of ice handy!:D

[DrEdward]

I think it pays to always have a bag of ice handy!:D

So now you understand exactly why that shot put training was so useful and its derivation from the military applications. :cool:

[DrEdward]

In case few Carroll fans took notice thanks to the broadcasting idiot last evening, the Carroll girls won yet another volleyball match against Plano on their home court in a pretty solid five game performance.

[slcdragonfan]

In case few Carroll fans took notice thanks to the broadcasting idiot last evening, the Carroll girls won yet another volleyball match against Plano on their home court in a pretty solid five game performance.

most excellent. Thanks for the update DocE.

[toonman]

In case few Carroll fans took notice thanks to the broadcasting idiot last evening, the Carroll girls won yet another volleyball match against Plano on their home court in a pretty solid five game performance.

I hope there are no move-ins from Oklahoma on the team.

[DrEdward]

I hope there are no move-ins from Oklahoma on the team.

Felt like chacking passports and visas last night. If the move-ins were from international sources, we could seek sanctuary city status. Wait, doesn't OK count as foreign?:rolleyes:

[dragonsdaddy]

Felt like chacking passports and visas last night. If the move-ins were from international sources, we could seek sanctuary city status. Wait, doesn't OK count as foreign?:rolleyes:

i know several people who would certainly be classified as certified wierd up above the rio rojo.

[worster70]

I hope there are no move-ins from Oklahoma on the team.
someone needs to check with the "Council"

[GoDragons]

Update posted on the CISD website...interesting information.

http://www.southlakecarroll.edu/

[SWMHebron]

Update posted on the CISD website...interesting information.

http://www.southlakecarroll.edu/

It sounds like Carroll is satisfied they did due diligence. Not that any of this will see the air on Ch. 8.

[The Sheriff]

It sounds like Carroll is satisfied they did due diligence. Not that any of this will see the air on Ch. 8.

Here is the direct link

http://www.southlakecarroll.edu/files/Media%20Update%20-%20Eligilibity%208_25.pdf

[The Sheriff]

It sounds like Carroll is satisfied they did due diligence. Not that any of this will see the air on Ch. 8.

Here is the direct link

http://www.southlakecarroll.edu/files/Media%20Update%20-%20Eligilibity%208_25.pdf

[drgnbkr]

If anyone thinks that BS allowed anything to be shown on his report that was not favorable to his slant on the story they're nuts...If the general public knew what BS was pulling as he tried to gather his "facts" they would understand the bag of ice at the cameraman..not condoning but understanding the frustration...A father's going to protect his kid, and ambush journalism is not easy for John Q Citizen to deal with. It appears at this hour, that all UIL rules and DEC guidelines have been followed but we'll see on Friday. It's a shame that this takes away from what should be a fine visit down to Central Texas on Friday.

[dragonsdaddy]

It sounds like Carroll is satisfied they did due diligence. Not that any of this will see the air on Ch. 8.

that won't sell many papers, or garner much viewer interest. not at least like the car wreck that was promised last night possibly did.

[slcdragonfan]

Let's make it easy for the rock throwers:

Below are additional facts provided to the Dragon Community by Carroll ISD:
 Carroll ISD’s interview with WFAA was held on August 13, 2010, not August 10, 2010 as was reported
on last night’s on air and online media coverage.
 Carroll ISD Athletic Director Kevin Ozee did indeed communicate in writing with the attorney from the
athletic association in the previous state where the student attended. Documentation from the attorney
was provided to the University Interscholastic League committee reviewing the eligibility case.
 Carroll ISD declined to turn documents containing student records over to the media because they are
federally protected by the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) – the same protection
that CISD affords all of its students and their families. For more information about FERPA, visit
http://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/index.html
 Carroll ISD has documentation that the family’s home was for sale in the spring (May) of 2010.
 Carroll Athletic Director Kevin Ozee is the one who requested that the Dragons’ new District 7-5A
Executive Committee review this student eligibility case, despite the fact the former 6-5A DEC ruled the
student eligible on two occasions and the state UIL staff concurred. It is documented in the 6-5A DEC
meeting minutes that the student athlete met all residency requirements outlined in the UIL Constitution
and Contest Rules, Subchapter M.
 The 7-5A DEC meeting will take place Friday, August 27, with a final ruling expected at that meeting.
Carroll ISD has provided all information to the UIL’s 7-5A DEC for their consideration of the case.
Carroll ISD will abide by the final decision of the UIL’s District 7-5A Executive Committee.
 CISD is responsible for verifying residency for enrollment purposes and for providing all information and
documents to the District Executive Committee made up of the high school principals of the opposing
schools in our district. UIL C&CR is very clear in Section 28(i) that it is the DEC's responsibility to
investigate eligibility issues. It is the CISD AD’s responsibility to provide enrollment information and any
other information that might be requested by the DEC for the meeting. For more information on the
DEC process, visit http://www.uil.utexas.edu/policy/constitution/subchapters/10_11subE.pdf

[worster70]

Let's make it easy for the rock throwers:
OK so those are the facts...after last nights performance I would not be too quick to claim "facts". IMO

[DrEdward]

OK so those are the facts...after last nights performance I would not be too quick to claim "facts". IMO

Again, we did not see the full performance, only the edited version. The rest may have been explained or not. Don't know. But likewise, I would not be too quick to dismiss these disclosures either.

[The Sheriff]

Again, we did not see the full performance, only the edited version. The rest may have been explained or not. Don't know. But likewise, I would not be too quick to dismiss these disclosures either.

This is supposed to be the full interview.

http://www.wfaa.com/video?id=101440034&sec=553127

[worster70]

Again, we did not see the full performance, only the edited version. The rest may have been explained or not. Don't know. But likewise, I would not be too quick to dismiss these disclosures either.
Agree, somebody is going to have some clean-up duty on this one.

[The Sheriff]

This is supposed to be the full interview.

http://www.wfaa.com/video?id=101440034&sec=553127

To me Part 2 shows that SLC did their homework on the kid. They are correct that BS asked the same #$%^ question a million times.

[worster70]

Again, we did not see the full performance, only the edited version. The rest may have been explained or not. Don't know. But likewise, I would not be too quick to dismiss these disclosures either.
Well DrEdward there it is take a look... the performance was consistent.
Thanks for the link Sheriff

[gasman]

No it's just that my mother didn't raise me that way. If I committed a crime known to her she'd be the first one to march me down to the police. You're obviously from the "Sicilian" school of thought where family, or tribe, or team rallies around the wrongdoers to protect them from the rule of law.

Sad that so called adults set this example for kids possibly reading this thread.


Hey Mr. Padcrasher,

You keep saying do not take it out on the messenger. It seems to me that you are already stating we are guilty before we present the evidence. This crap has been going on all summer from Shipp. As far as I am concerned he is nothing but a low life trying to find a story and what better place to find dirt at Southlake. SLC has nothing to hide and we have the documentation to prove it. Shipp will be left holding the sign in his hands stating "I am the last dumb arse in Dallas"

[gasman]

Brett Shipp's story is nothing but Bull Shi$$ just like his intials(BS). Mr. Ozzie could not answer alot of questions BS was asking because of certain laws that do not give him the authority to do so. So BS shows the clips making Ozzie look as if he was holding back info. Iam sure that Ozzie was briefed what he could answer. Also Mr. Ozzie sent an email apologizing about his last comment "Am I on trial here?". After sitting in a room with Mr. BS, it rubbs off on you after a while with his stupid accussations without proof. Just a reporter doing his job to make the ratings. He just has to stoop lower than an ant's arse by harrassing 17 and 18 yar old kids trying to have fun their senior year. I was there that day when he attacked coach Wasson and Mr. Ozzie. If he wanted to talk to the Coach Wasson, all he needed was permision from SLC, but that's not his style because he likes to create dramma. I hope some one will investigate him, I bet you can find all kinds of dirt on him. What an idiot.

[padcrasher]

Hey Mr. Padcrasher,

You keep saying do not take it out on the messenger. It seems to me that you are already stating we are guilty before we present the evidence. This crap has been going on all summer from Shipp. As far as I am concerned he is nothing but a low life trying to find a story and what better place to find dirt at Southlake. SLC has nothing to hide and we have the documentation to prove it. Shipp will be left holding the sign in his hands stating "I am the last dumb arse in Dallas"

Well then you have a serious reading comprehension problem.

I don't know how many times I can say "if" a rule violation was committed? In fact your quote of me (written before the report aired) says "If I commited a crime". Furthermore, after seeing the report, I've posted here multiple times that I believe the district is not a fault here. They've conducted a forthright and adequate effort to comply with the rules.

What HAS gone on here by a few (with the support of others) is a disgusting focus on the messenger who uncovered in all likelihood a violation of the rules on the part of the Father. (yet again.) The reaction among many here is straight out of Africa where the "tribe" is the only priority. No regard or respect for the rule of law and fair play.

The ring leader of this effort has sunk so low as to drop hints as to the identity of the boy who would benefit should the QB be ruled ineligible. Pointing out the location in the district where he lives, his starting status. Calling his father a rat, and issuing vague threats to myself and whoever he thinks the "rat" is.

What a pathetic thug!

[toonman]

Hey Mr. Padcrasher,

......Shipp will be left holding the sign in his hands stating "I am the last dumb arse in Dallas"

Never has a more true word been written. Well penned.

[DrEdward]

Well DrEdward there it is take a look... the performance was consistent.
...

Shatneresque? ;)

[gasman]

Well then you have a serious reading comprehension problem.

I don't know how many times I can say "if" a rule violation was committed? In fact your quote of me (written before the report aired) says "If I commited a crime". Furthermore, after seeing the report, I've posted here multiple times that I believe the district is not a fault here. They've conducted a forthright and adequate effort to comply with the rules.

What HAS gone on here by a few (with the support of others) is a disgusting focus on the messenger who uncovered in all likelihood a violation of the rules on the part of the Father. (yet again.) The reaction among many here is straight out of Africa where the "tribe" is the only priority. No regard or respect for the rule of law and fair play.

The ring leader of this effort has sunk so low as to drop hints as to the identity of the boy who would benefit should the QB be ruled ineligible. Pointing out the location in the district where he lives, his starting status. Calling his father a rat, and issuing vague threats to myself and whoever he thinks the "rat" is.

What a pathetic thug!

You must have a reading comprehension problem. I was not quoting you, I was quoting Ozzie's apology in an email after the interview. BS is an ivestigative reporter, not a sports writer, just trying to find a story at 17 and 18 year old exspense. Yes we are tribesmen here in SLC(The Zambudda tribe) and that is why we are successful. What planet are you from and why are you suddenly a poster on the Dragon thread?

[padcrasher]

You must have a reading comprehension problem. I was not quoting you, I was quoting Ozzie's apology in an email after the interview. BS is an ivestigative reporter, not a sports writer, just trying to find a story at 17 and 18 year old exspense. Yes we are tribesmen here in SLC(The Zambudda tribe) and that is why we are successful. What planet are you from and why are you suddenly a poster on the Dragon thread?

Seriously, you were not quoting me? It's on this very page where you are quoting me. I responded to the post where you were quoting me.

What sort of gas are you on?

http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showpost.php?p=1577378&postcount=9629

[gasman]

The Carroll Dragons are a closed net team and will not let the likes of BS and posters who think he is upholding the law get them down. BS has no idea what the UIL rules are. In his interview he was interrogating Ozzie on Oklahoma UIL rules which are different from Texas UIL rules. The parent of DG has done nothing wrong either. BS has nothing better to do than harass some one for the all mighty dollar. This story will back fire in his face. If anyone is a thug its him.

[gasman]

Seriously, you were not quoting me? It's on this very page where you are quoting me. I responded to the post where you were quoting me.

What sort of gas are you on?

http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showpost.php?p=1577378&postcount=9629

Look again I clearly stated Ozzie and even put it in quotations.

[padcrasher]

The Carroll Dragons are a closed net team and will not let the likes of BS and posters who think he is upholding the law get them down. BS has no idea what the UIL rules are. In his interview he was interrogating Ozzie on Oklahoma UIL rules which are different from Texas UIL rules. The parent of DG has done nothing wrong either. BS has nothing better to do than harass some one for the all mighty dollar. This story will back fire in his face. If anyone is a thug its him.

The term is "close knit" not "closed net".

Unbelievable.

[kjones003]

Hurts to not be part to a tribe. Yes, we love our tribe in SL...

The defense stating "dont go after the messenger" is incredibly naive. BS consitently attacked people... understand that... he attacked PEOPLE just to try to catch a weak human moment. The end was in mind... the story crafted to drive dramatic effect and ratings. If the issue was being attacked, the messenger would not have as much fault. But... shoving a camera in someones face and blasting rhetorical questions in an attacking manner, harassing teen age athletes... who by the way are great citizens, philanthropic, good students, and oh... Teens, harassing families, choosing to air in 0 week, and several other signs point to it being about people not search for truth. I am sure WFAA is proud of themselves...

But guess what... we'll be there Friday night... and our community will support our boys, and girls in academics, sports, and other positive activities.

[padcrasher]

Look again I clearly stated Ozzie and even put it in quotations.

I think that if you can't admit you quoting me after I just showed you quoting me not five minutes ago. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with fence post.....LOL

[gasman]

Seriously, you were not quoting me? It's on this very page where you are quoting me. I responded to the post where you were quoting me.

What sort of gas are you on?

http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showpost.php?p=1577378&postcount=9629


Mr. Ozzie sent an email apologizing about his last comment "Am I on trial here?". What glue are you sniffing this morning?

[ScottS]

The term is "close knit" not "closed net".

Unbelievable.

Can we focus on the story and not some English lesson?

[slcdragonfan]

The term is "close knit" not "closed net".

Unbelievable.

Now you are into grammar correction? Unbelievable.

[gasman]

I think that if you can't admit you quoting me after I just showed you quoting me not five minutes ago. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with fence post.....LOL


Here it is. Who is the fence post now?

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Brett Shipp's story is nothing but Bull Shi$$ just like his intials(BS). Mr. Ozzie could not answer alot of questions BS was asking because of certain laws that do not give him the authority to do so. So BS shows the clips making Ozzie look as if he was holding back info. Iam sure that Ozzie was briefed what he could answer. Also Mr. Ozzie sent an email apologizing about his last comment "Am I on trial here?". After sitting in a room with Mr. BS, it rubbs off on you after a while with his stupid accussations without proof. Just a reporter doing his job to make the ratings. He just has to stoop lower than an ant's arse by harrassing 17 and 18 yar old kids trying to have fun their senior year. I was there that day when he attacked coach Wasson and Mr. Ozzie. If he wanted to talk to the Coach Wasson, all he needed was permision from SLC, but that's not his style because he likes to create dramma. I hope some one will investigate him, I bet you can find all kinds of dirt on him. What an idiot.
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[padcrasher]

Hurts to not be part to a tribe. Yes, we love our tribe in SL...

The defense stating "dont go after the messenger" is incredibly naive. BS consitently attacked people... understand that... he attacked PEOPLE just to try to catch a weak human moment. The end was in mind... the story crafted to drive dramatic effect and ratings. If the issue was being attacked, the messenger would not have as much fault. But... shoving a camera in someones face and blasting rhetorical questions in an attacking manner, harassing teen age athletes... who by the way are great citizens, philanthropic, good students, and oh... Teens, harassing families, choosing to air in 0 week, and several other signs point to it being about people not search for truth. I am sure WFAA is proud of themselves...

But guess what... we'll be there Friday night... and our community will support our boys, and girls in academics, sports, and other positive activities.

And I'll be there as well cheering them on as I was for the scrimmage last week, and the 7-on-7 games this Summer.

[farmerfan]

So, is there going to be a law suit filed against BS or Belo or WFAA or anybody here? :)

[gasman]

And I'll be there as well cheering them on as I was for the scrimmage last week, and the 7-on-7 games this Summer.


I was too and I will always support them.

[ScottS]

So, is there going to be a law suit filed against BS or Belo or WFAA or anybody here? :)

Lawsuit, I like it!

[dragonsdaddy]

And I'll be there as well cheering them on as I was for the scrimmage last week, and the 7-on-7 games this Summer.

with friends like you, our enemies have some serious competition. i bet you really, really miss the miltenberger era.

[alleneaglesdad]

I have not read all the posts on here about Garmon, but if your not eligible to play in OK then how can you be eligible to play in TX. Daryn Alves from McK Boyd was ineligable his sr. year 2010 by the UIL. He moved to Durant OK and played. OSSSA found out about it at the end of the season and Durant had to forfeit all of their games.

[dragonsdaddy]

I have not read all the posts on here about Garmon, but if your not eligible to play in OK then how can you be eligible to play in TX. Daryn Alves from McK Boyd was ineligable his sr. year 2010 by the UIL. He moved to Durant OK and played. OSSSA found out about it at the end of the season and Durant had to forfeit all of their games.

so you too are on board for letting ok determine how and who plays uil sports in texas? awesome.

[gasman]

Hurts to not be part to a tribe. Yes, we love our tribe in SL...

The defense stating "dont go after the messenger" is incredibly naive. BS consitently attacked people... understand that... he attacked PEOPLE just to try to catch a weak human moment. The end was in mind... the story crafted to drive dramatic effect and ratings. If the issue was being attacked, the messenger would not have as much fault. But... shoving a camera in someones face and blasting rhetorical questions in an attacking manner, harassing teen age athletes... who by the way are great citizens, philanthropic, good students, and oh... Teens, harassing families, choosing to air in 0 week, and several other signs point to it being about people not search for truth. I am sure WFAA is proud of themselves...

But guess what... we'll be there Friday night... and our community will support our boys, and girls in academics, sports, and other positive activities.

Well said! Go Dragons!!!!!!!!:notworthy

[gasman]

I have not read all the posts on here about Garmon, but if your not eligible to play in OK then how can you be eligible to play in TX. Daryn Alves from McK Boyd was ineligable his sr. year 2010 by the UIL. He moved to Durant OK and played. OSSSA found out about it at the end of the season and Durant had to forfeit all of their games.


DG was inelgible in OK because Jones High School failed to file his paperwork prooving he was elgible by the deadline. Clearly the school's fault, so they decided to punish the athelete making hin inelgible his senior year in OK. He just wants to play football.

[slcdragonfan]

If you watch the FULL clip from the link that was posted earlier (raw footage from the interview, 30 minutes worth, in two segments) you will see that Mr. Ozee said it was a TIME PERIOD of ineligibility not a game period or complete ineligibility. The person being discussed moved her in Feb and per our AD's understanding, met that period of ineligibility during the Spring.

Watch the segments if you are really interested. Otherwise, just use the short drama version that was aired and shoot away.

[chhspantherfan]

Well then you have a serious reading comprehension problem.

I don't know how many times I can say "if" a rule violation was committed? In fact your quote of me (written before the report aired) says "If I commited a crime". Furthermore, after seeing the report, I've posted here multiple times that I believe the district is not a fault here. They've conducted a forthright and adequate effort to comply with the rules.

What HAS gone on here by a few (with the support of others) is a disgusting focus on the messenger who uncovered in all likelihood a violation of the rules on the part of the Father. (yet again.) The reaction among many here is straight out of Africa where the "tribe" is the only priority. No regard or respect for the rule of law and fair play.

The ring leader of this effort has sunk so low as to drop hints as to the identity of the boy who would benefit should the QB be ruled ineligible. Pointing out the location in the district where he lives, his starting status. Calling his father a rat, and issuing vague threats to myself and whoever he thinks the "rat" is.

What a pathetic thug!


He gave you his name and where he lives. Why don't you drop by and deliver this message personally?

[toonman]

I guess what I will always struggle to understand is that in whose interest and for whose benefit was this news item broadcast. Where is the responsible journalism to the greater good? I timed this news feature and was almost 10 minutes. 10 minutes long and got more air time than a child abducted from school, more airtime than a child left in a car – both of which are genuine public interest stories; as we do not want kids taken out of school by an unauthorized person and we should continue to educate that a child should never be left alone in a car in the summer Texas heat.

This story is more indicative of the extremely poor standard of news reporting, not just Channel 8, but all the major news networks. If you want to learn what is happening in DFW I suggest you do not watch any of the local news channels.

This marathon report may succeed in denying a high school kid a chance to play varsity football and that is about it. Buit where is the greater good? Sensationalism, I guess, is the order of the day – but picking on an 18 Year old to make your living is reprehensible at best, along with a complete lack of ethics and moral journalistic standards.

How about a 10 minute news report on the many 18 year old boys who are in Iraq or Afganistan – now that is worth reporting on.

I stopped watching the news a while back, apart from Babe Laufenberg on Sports on Channel 11.

[padcrasher]

He gave you his name and where he lives. Why don't you drop by and deliver this message personally?

And have my kids brought into this? Hints about where I live put out ? What's my son's starting status? What letter our last name starts with?

No thanks. We will focus on academics, sports, and being ethical.

Not having to put up with some sociopath's internet fueled rage who's daring people to come over and knock a stick off his shoulder.

Grow up!

[chhspantherfan]

And have my kids brought into this? Hints about where I live? What's my son's starting status?

No thanks. Will focus on academics, sports, and being ethical.

Not having to put up with some sociopath's slurs.


about what I expected:rolleyes:

Have a nice day

[toonman]

So, is there going to be a law suit filed against BS or Belo or WFAA or anybody here? :)

I thought that the media is above the law?

[chhspantherfan]

And have my kids brought into this? Hints about where I live? What's my son's starting status? What letter our last name start's with?

No thanks. Will focus on academics, sports, and being ethical.

Not having to put up with some sociopath's internet fueled rage.

couldn't edit fast enough, huh?

[farmerfan]

I guess what I will always struggle to understand is that in whose interest and for whose benefit was this news item broadcast. Where is the responsible journalism to the greater good? I timed this news feature and was almost 10 minutes. 10 minutes long and got more air time than a child abducted from school, more airtime than a child left in a car – both of which are genuine public interest stories; as we do not want kids taken out of school by an unauthorized person and we should continue to educate that a child should never be left alone in a car in the summer Texas heat.

This story is more indicative of the extremely poor standard of news reporting, not just Channel 8, but all the major news networks. If you want to learn what is happening in DFW I suggest you do not watch any of the local news channels.

This marathon report may succeed in denying a high school kid a chance to play varsity football and that is about it. Buit where is the greater good? Sensationalism, I guess, is the order of the day – but picking on an 18 Year old to make your living is reprehensible at best, along with a complete lack of ethics and moral journalistic standards.

How about a 10 minute news report on the many 18 year old boys who are in Iraq or Afganistan – now that is worth reporting on.

I stopped watching the news a while back, apart from Babe Laufenberg on Sports on Channel 11.

So you have issues with governing bodies too then, right?

What about the other kids in this state who have been denied a chance to play ball? Was it right or wrong there? What makes it right for them to move schools and have to sit out but they can watch other kids do it and not have to sit out?

[slcdragonfan]

And have my kids brought into this? Hints about where I live? What's my son's starting status? What letter our last name start's with?

No thanks. Will focus on academics, sports, and being ethical.

Not having to put up with some sociopath's internet fueled rage.

Dragonpants is no sociopath. He's a very fine man (and funny too). We'll meet you sometime for margerita's and clear the air. No one wants to "cheat" in Southlake, and I believe we did our due diligence. B.S. does seem to have "drama" as his agenda, and most of his questions were answered, even though he implied otherwise. The only outstanding questions as I see it are:

1. clarification of the OSSA ruling (games or time period) and was it met. This athlete is a pretty good baseball player as I understand.
2. clarification of when the house was put up for sale. By the way, people with means often will move while getting their old house in order prior to listing it.
The other factors, no furniture, no utilities, all were addressed by Ozee and ruled on (favorably) by the UIL. It is common practice to leave some furniture and to have utilities on in a "for sale" house.

Any other salient points?

[SLC93]

After viewing the interview I can honestly say that I have no worries about how this will play out. Furthermore, I really can't believe Shipp pursued this to the degree he has. Posting the unedited footage really serves to open ones eyes as to just how self serving that happens in the editing room can be.

[SLC93]

So, is there going to be a law suit filed against BS or Belo or WFAA or anybody here? :)

:D

However distasteful this ordeal may be, at this point I see no grounds for a lawsuit. I think this was nothing more than an ill advised idea to grab some headlines that presented itself due to rules that are comprised of some verbage that is vague and does not define several gray areas.

[dragonsdaddy]

:D

However distasteful this ordeal may be, at this point I see no grounds for a lawsuit. I think this was nothing more than an ill advised idea to grab some headlines that presented itself due to rules that are comprised of some verbage that is vague and does not define several gray areas.

it is sad to see how far the dmn and belo have fallen. it used to be big enough news that hs football starts this week, when both these storied enterprises had specials about the big day. who didn't eagerly await the pull out special with all the stadium directions and schedules and predictions? idiocracy has struck belo moronic, and they(possibly rightly) feel that they are rapidly sliding off the relevance precipice. what will moms do for scrapbooks as these institutions take on enquirer status?

[SLC93]

it is sad to see how far the dmn and belo have fallen. it used to be big enough news that hs football starts this week, when both these storied enterprises had specials about the big day. who didn't eagerly await the pull out special with all the stadium directions and schedules and predictions? idiocracy has struck belo moronic, and they(possibly rightly) feel that they are rapidly sliding off the relevance precipice. what will moms do for scrapbooks as these institutions take on enquirer status?

I think it's a reflection of the current state of media and journalism as a whole, especially the dying medium of print. In a 24 hour news enviroment standards have eroded to the point that the industry will do anything to drive viewrship, readership and web traffic. Destroy first, prove later and fail to apologize when proven wrong.

[QQQ]

ALERT: Another transfer mess ..... happens that this was the coach on the cover of Parade this past Sunday....

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Woman-high-school-football-coach-s-first-loss-co?urn=highschool-265068

[Champion]

Alert:

This morning at the Quick Trip in Southlake I saw a black Suburban with tinted windows with a couple of dudes with some sort of electronic equipment, perhaps cameras or sensing devices. I don't know if these were FBI, ICE or someone else. Terrorist threat, I don't know.

For whatever it is worth, ICE sales in Southlake have skyrocketed this week. The cooler temperatures would presumably not point to that. I have been packing 3 bags of ICE myself to and from my office for prophylactic purposes but I can't imagine my three bags a day would cause such an increase. I don't know what is going on in Southlake.

[Champion]

It's good to have Gasman back on the scene. Where have you been?

[the_great_state_of_TExas]

And have my kids brought into this? Hints about where I live put out ? What's my son's starting status? What letter our last name starts with?

No thanks. We will focus on academics, sports, and being ethical.

Not having to put up with some sociopath's internet fueled rage who's daring people to come over and knock a stick off his shoulder.

Grow up!


Take a deep breadth.

Maybe you should focus on your family a bit more and a little less on defending yourself on this board. What's done is done. You cannot put the rabbit back into the hat. As with many things in life we are left to deal with the short and long term impact of our actions. It appears that in this situations the actions of several people (both malicious and well intended) have most definitely had an impact upon our little town here in North Texas.


Also - Given your superior grasp of idioms I just wanted to point that Robert Conrad challenged us to "knock a battery off his shoulder" not a stick. Conrad's statement is by far the more popular term. The only reference I found about a "stick" was on the Huffington Post when I goggled.

[chhspantherfan]

Take a deep breadth.

Maybe you should focus on your family a bit more and a little less on defending yourself on this board. What's done is done. You cannot put the rabbit back into the hat. As with many things in life we are left to deal with the short and long term impact of our actions. It appears that in this situations the actions of several people (both malicious and well intended) have most definitely had an impact upon our little town here in North Texas.


Also - Given your superior grasp of idioms I just wanted to point that Robert Conrad challenged us to "knock a battery off his shoulder" not a stick. Conrad's statement is by far the more popular term. The only reference I found about a "stick" was on the Huffington Post when I goggled.

:rofl:

[toonman]

So you have issues with governing bodies too then, right?

What about the other kids in this state who have been denied a chance to play ball? Was it right or wrong there? What makes it right for them to move schools and have to sit out but they can watch other kids do it and not have to sit out?

I believe it called competition and the best player wins the starting job.

[slcdragonfan]

OK, back to the game of Friday. I have my tickets, arranging for 3 kids from Texas State to attend as well. I'll get there sometime around 7:00pm most likely. If anyone wants to connect, PM me.

Time to get the focus on the football game, we are around 30 hours away from kickoff.

Players, get it together, don't read anymore, focus on the game and not the drama, let's go out and establish that this years team will continue the tradition. STAY TOGETHER AS A TEAM.

Set this aside, we will play with what we have when the hour comes. Let's go out and kick the Doggies (that's for you Cove Mom). ;)

[ScottS]

I have some personal stuff that just popped up and I can't go tomorrow. Would anyone be willing to text me a score update after each quarter? And please don't pull my Dragon card. This was out of my control. Send me a PM if you can do this.

[trojanbacker]

Alert:

This morning at the Quick Trip in Southlake I saw a black Suburban with tinted windows with a couple of dudes with some sort of electronic equipment, perhaps cameras or sensing devices. I don't know if these were FBI, ICE or someone else. Terrorist threat, I don't know.

For whatever it is worth, ICE sales in Southlake have skyrocketed this week. The cooler temperatures would presumably not point to that. I have been packing 3 bags of ICE myself to and from my office for prophylactic purposes but I can't imagine my three bags a day would cause such an increase. I don't know what is going on in Southlake.

I'm thinking a still capture of the frame showing the ice hitting the cameraman's face would make a great tshirt. Fundraising opportunity?

[slcdragonfan]

I'm thinking a still capture of the frame showing the ice hitting the cameraman's face would make a great tshirt. Fundraising opportunity?

you are a businessman. I'd love that T-shirt. Heck, I bet even FF would wear that shirt.

[slcdragonfan]

I have some personal stuff that just popped up and I can't go tomorrow. Would anyone be willing to text me a score update after each quarter? And please don't pull my Dragon card. This was out of my control. Send me a PM if you can do this.

If no one else steps up I can do it. We used to get text updates (score) on home games from some plumbing company, would be nice if they covered away games as well.

[the_great_state_of_TExas]

I'm thinking a still capture of the frame showing the ice hitting the cameraman's face would make a great tshirt. Fundraising opportunity?

....

[trojanbacker]

....

That made me cough up my lunch.

Just need a clever slogan under the pic. I'm all out of clever today.

[drgnbkr]

Aren't the games on KKGM this year?

[chhspantherfan]

That made me cough up my lunch.

Just need a clever slogan under the pic. I'm all out of clever today.

Dacks da story and I'm stickin' to it :cool:

[farmerfan]

I believe it called competition and the best player wins the starting job.

Competition for what, which school district can make the best case for not moving for athletic reasons?

[trojanbacker]

Dacks da story and I'm stickin' to it :cool:

Good. I'm thinking something with "The Ice of Texas" in it......

[dragonsdaddy]

Good. I'm thinking something with "The Ice of Texas" in it......

i thought he was wasting his time at tenkiller or somesuch. that ok by me.

[dragonpants]

Well then you have a serious reading comprehension problem.

I don't know how many times I can say "if" a rule violation was committed? In fact your quote of me (written before the report aired) says "If I commited a crime". Furthermore, after seeing the report, I've posted here multiple times that I believe the district is not a fault here. They've conducted a forthright and adequate effort to comply with the rules.

What HAS gone on here by a few (with the support of others) is a disgusting focus on the messenger who uncovered in all likelihood a violation of the rules on the part of the Father. (yet again.) The reaction among many here is straight out of Africa where the "tribe" is the only priority. No regard or respect for the rule of law and fair play.

The ring leader of this effort has sunk so low as to drop hints as to the identity of the boy who would benefit should the QB be ruled ineligible. Pointing out the location in the district where he lives, his starting status. Calling his father a rat, and issuing vague threats to myself and whoever he thinks the "rat" is.

What a pathetic thug!

That sounds like a slanderous statement to me, any Dragon attorneys out there, I need some representation. I feel threatened.
By the way Pad you know where I live stop by for a beer.
I am not hiding, care to share your name and address as I did?

[kjones003]

Me and a few of my friends are going to try to park immediately adjacent to the stadium off WILLIAMS ST in the visitors lot. We will get to the lot about 6pm.

Please feel free to stop by our tailgate and say hello... Black F-150. We will have our 4-5 year old kids with us as well. I think high school football should be about being able to go out with your kids and eat a hot dog, see friends from our community, and cheering for the bright, hard working, and dedicated Dragons on the field that our kids all love and look up too.

I am pretty darn ticked that someone selfish is trying to ruin that... so if you are one of those walk on by as my group and I love all our Dragons. They have always gone so far out of their way for my son...

[dragonpants]

And have my kids brought into this? Hints about where I live put out ? What's my son's starting status? What letter our last name starts with?

No thanks. We will focus on academics, sports, and being ethical.

Not having to put up with some sociopath's internet fueled rage who's daring people to come over and knock a stick off his shoulder.

Grow up!

Not asking anyone to knock anything off my shoulder. I would actually like to have a conversation, let's meet in a public place. I am 45 and am threatening no one.I would really like to have a face to face discussion. If you want bring a camera crew or body guards whatever. That is funny you think I am challenging to a fight.

[drgnbkr]

Aren't the games on KKGM this year?

I guess I'll try and answer my own question...it appears that KKGM is no longer on the air, at least they don't have a web-site anymore. What will Chuck and Kelly do on Friday nights?

[drgnbkr]

Not asking anyone to knock anything off my shoulder. I would actually like to have a conversation, let's meet in a public place. I am 45 and am threatening no one.I would really like to have a face to face discussion. If you want bring a camera crew or body guards whatever. That is funny you think I am challenging to a fight.

I'll bring the ice bag!

[the_great_state_of_TExas]

.... So will we play ICE ICE Baby during pregame warm-ups?

http://passionweiss.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/vanilla_ice.jpg

[gasman]

It's good to have Gasman back on the scene. Where have you been?


Thanks, I have been busy with family and with my mother who has been very ill this year. She is bouncing back and ready to attend the first home Dragon game.

[dragonpants]

If no one else steps up I can do it. We used to get text updates (score) on home games from some plumbing company, would be nice if they covered away games as well.

I will be joining you at the game, do you feel safe?
I would not want my rage to interfere with your enjoyment, thanks for the support you are a good man as well as my buddy panther.

Where the hell is Genghis, he should have some thoughts. :rofl:

[dragonpants]

I am off to the Freshmen game. Pad called 911 which works out great, I am getting my own police escort and Gasman has been ordered to keep me medicated...... This is funny I am so violent. :yes:

Bring the good stuff Gasman........

[slcdragonfan]

I will be joining you at the game, do you feel safe?
I would not want my rage to interfere with your enjoyment, thanks for the support you are a good man as well as my buddy panther.

Where the hell is Genghis, he should have some thoughts. :rofl:

Except for the black helicopter following me and my son everywhere. I mean, we moved here in 2001 for the natatorium (and academics), that is an athletic move so I am worried about Bart Simpson (B.S.) coming out of nowhere. I have taken the good counsel of another Dragon and purchased quite a few bags of ice and am practicing in front of a mirror...."You talking to me?...." no, that's not right, I mean "...None of your :Censor: business!..." LOL.:rofl:

I instantly love that guy! in a manly kind of way of course.

If you meant safe with you around, sure, Sicilians and Norwegians are great partners. Now if we could just convince chhspantherfan to come over to the dark side we would be set.

"B.S., I am your faaatther..."

[CoveMom]

OK, back to the game of Friday. I have my tickets, arranging for 3 kids from Texas State to attend as well. I'll get there sometime around 7:00pm most likely. If anyone wants to connect, PM me.

Time to get the focus on the football game, we are around 30 hours away from kickoff.

Players, get it together, don't read anymore, focus on the game and not the drama, let's go out and establish that this years team will continue the tradition. STAY TOGETHER AS A TEAM.

Set this aside, we will play with what we have when the hour comes. Let's go out and kick the Doggies (that's for you Cove Mom). ;)

Dawggies....

[CoveMom]

Me and a few of my friends are going to try to park immediately adjacent to the stadium off WILLIAMS ST in the visitors lot. We will get to the lot about 6pm.

Please feel free to stop by our tailgate and say hello... Black F-150. We will have our 4-5 year old kids with us as well. I think high school football should be about being able to go out with your kids and eat a hot dog, see friends from our community, and cheering for the bright, hard working, and dedicated Dragons on the field that our kids all love and look up too.

I am pretty darn ticked that someone selfish is trying to ruin that... so if you are one of those walk on by as my group and I love all our Dragons. They have always gone so far out of their way for my son...

You are not really from Southlake are you????


Ford, my eye.

;)

[slcdragonfan]

Dawggies....

LOL, I stand corrected.

if you guys have a sign that says "slay the Dragons" you go into the penalty box.

[chhspantherfan]

I will be joining you at the game, do you feel safe?
I would not want my rage to interfere with your enjoyment, thanks for the support you are a good man as well as my buddy panther.

Where the hell is Genghis, he should have some thoughts. :rofl:

Genghis' head is probably exploding. I would love to hear his comments.

As far as me, you're stuck with me. :p

[chhspantherfan]

Except for the black helicopter following me and my son everywhere. I mean, we moved here in 2001 for the natatorium (and academics), that is an athletic move so I am worried about Bart Simpson (B.S.) coming out of nowhere. I have taken the good counsel of another Dragon and purchased quite a few bags of ice and am practicing in front of a mirror...."You talking to me?...." no, that's not right, I mean "...None of your :Censor: business!..." LOL.:rofl:

I instantly love that guy! in a manly kind of way of course.

If you meant safe with you around, sure, Sicilians and Norwegians are great partners. Now if we could just convince chhspantherfan to come over to the dark side we would be set.

"B.S., I am your faaatther..."


I might draw Geraldo if I moved there ;)

[farmerfan]

LOL, I stand corrected.

if you guys have a sign that says "slay the Dragons" you go into the penalty box.

What about "Dragons aren't real"

[ScottS]

What about "Dragons aren't real"

We've got a Komodo we'll send your way.

[E-Vol-ution]

You are not really from Southlake are you????


Ford, my eye.

;)

Who said anything about Ford? That's his jet.:D

[slcdragonfan]

What about "Dragons aren't real"

That's a good one, but my answer is "its pretty bad to get your butt kicked by an imaginary opponent". ;):D

Gotta get us back to the games, some trash taking, some swagger, think Copperas Cove and football.

[CoveMom]

LOL, I stand corrected.

if you guys have a sign that says "slay the Dragons" you go into the penalty box.

I control the penalty box. I do not go into it...

[CoveMom]

Who said anything about Ford? That's his jet.:D

Hope it lands like a Harrier or he won't be sidling up to the visitor's stands at Bulldawg Stadium in it...

[dragnmom]

I guess I'll try and answer my own question...it appears that KKGM is no longer on the air, at least they don't have a web-site anymore. What will Chuck and Kelly do on Friday nights?

Not sure what Clark and Kelly will do, but I will miss them. In our house, hubby's going to C Cove with Band. I'm staying behind with a sibling in a tennis tourney. For those that may not get to travel for this one, I found a webcast on C Cove's website.

http://www.kdhpressbox.com/

Granted, it'll probably be a homer announcer....but hopefully they'll have a play-by-play!

Safe travels for those making the trip....good luck to all that are playing/participating!

[yankee]

JV Black beat CC 30-8. Good start to the football season!

[dragons08]

Anyone care to do mass text updates again this year?

[fluffy_bunny]

Chuck and Kelly appear to be alive and well... (unless there is something the website isn't telling)

http://www.kkgmam.com/dragonfootball.html

Really looking forward to the first game of the season - we'll be making the road trip!

[CCCSportsFan]

Chuck and Kelly appear to be alive and well... (unless there is something the website isn't telling)

http://www.kkgmam.com/dragonfootball.html

Really looking forward to the first game of the season - we'll be making the road trip!

Thank you! They updated their website sometime this afternoon because when I checked this morning all the information was for last season. Glad to know KKGM will be broadcasting Dragon football again this year :yes:

[kjones003]

As much as we have PM'd you know I am... see you at your store tomorrow. Is there a reason you think F-150's are not SL like??? or am I slow and missed your joke? see you tomorrow and thanks for local info...

You are not really from Southlake are you????


Ford, my eye.

;)

[kjones003]

I have a couple of folks on here that asked for text... so anyone else that wants to be on the distribution I can add... Stop by my Ford jet if you make it to the game.

Ill have on one of my new shirts:

FWFAA
FBS
NO BS ALLOWED
We dont like BS in SL
Dont put up with BS
ENOUGH BS, Lets play football! *** my favorite

joking.... well never know '-)

[slcdragonfan]

I have a couple of folks on here that asked for text... so anyone else that wants to be on the distribution I can add... Stop by my Ford jet if you make it to the game.

Ill have on one of my new shirts:

FWFAA
FBS
NO BS ALLOWED
We dont like BS in SL
Dont put up with BS
ENOUGH BS, Lets play football! *** my favorite

joking.... well never know '-)

My favorite:

I THROW ICE!

[CoveMom]

As much as we have PM'd you know I am... see you at your store tomorrow. Is there a reason you think F-150's are not SL like??? or am I slow and missed your joke? see you tomorrow and thanks for local info...


You slow.

and...


One last reminder...


Anyone arriving early enough to stop by my place of bidness on Friday afternoon is invited to come by for snacks and a soft drink (with a souvenir). PM me for details or call the shop at 254-542-6335 after 9:30 am.


Looking forward to some great Texas High School Football!!!!!!!!!!!


Go Dawgs! Beat the Dragons!

CoveMom





btw: I drive a Crown Vic...

[Sakatha]

JV Black beat CC 30-8. Good start to the football season!

Any idea how the Green boys and 9th graders did?

~DnM

[DrEdward]

I'll bring the ice bag!

He is still soliciting advertisers for the Carroll games, so he will be broadcasting them.

[DrEdward]

JV Black beat CC 30-8. Good start to the football season!

The final in the JV Black game ended up as Carroll 30 CC 14.

In the Green JV game, it turned out to be an exciting way to start off the season. With Carroll leading 13 - 6, CC moved the ball well to score with but 9 seconds left in the 4th, thus bring the score to 13-12 in favor of the Dragons. CC then lined up going for the win with a two point attempt, but was stopped by the Carroll defense for a final of 13 - 12 Dragon Green.

[Green Dragon]

JV Green wins 13-12 according to my son who was at the game at Old Dragon Stadium. 2-0 for the good guys so far...lets go for the sweep!

[Green Dragon]

Sorry Dr. as I posted and didn't see your update until I hit submit.

[Drag Goon]

Did K Hill play qb on one of the jv teams? Just curious if they held him out pending the ruling with the District Committee.

[DrEdward]

Sorry Dr. as I posted and didn't see your update until I hit submit.

Hey, it was a tie - the posting, not the score.

[ScottS]

QB predictions for tomorrow night?

[toonman]

QB predictions for tomorrow night?

I predict both both teams will have at least one.

[Sakatha]

I predict both both teams will have at least one.

I miss the single wing.

~DnM

[Sakatha]

I got all excited after DMN announced they were going to do a blow by blow blog on this...

Then the first entry occured...

8:34 a.m. : Two minutes after the meeting began, Southlake Carroll athletic director Kevin Ozee -- citing the wishes of Garman's family -- requested the meeting be held behind closed doors. The doors were then shut.

lol

~DnM

[chhspantherfan]

I got all excited after DMN announced they were going to do a blow by blow blog on this...

Then the first entry occured...

8:34 a.m. : Two minutes after the meeting began, Southlake Carroll athletic director Kevin Ozee -- citing the wishes of Garman's family -- requested the meeting be held behind closed doors. The doors were then shut.

lol

~DnM

cue Jeopardy theme song.

[Sakatha]

cue Jeopardy theme song.

No kidding.

I predict Ahmuty gets the snaps this evening. Which I am fine with from a 'game play' standpoint. The more I think about this situation, if the principal @ his last HS is really to blame, this is a major screw job. Very unfortunate.

If not, it should serve as a lesson to all who don't want to follow the rules.


~DnM

[Sakatha]

The next thrilling update as been posted!!!

9:42 a.m.: The committee is still meeting behind closed doors.


~DnM

[DrEdward]

For those not able to head down to the Cove this afternoon to attend tonight's game, it will be broadcast on KKGM. both on the air and on the net.

[Drag Goon]

The next thrilling update as been posted!!!

9:42 a.m.: The committee is still meeting behind closed doors.


~DnM

It would be funny if there is a back door and people are able to leave without the onslaught of questions from the people waiting for results. I say onslaught, maybe there is only one mail clerk from DMN looking for his big breaking story?

[dragonpants]

Both Frosh teams won convincingly last night as well.

Based on last night by 734 Dragon Fans will be tired of hearing barking. I would be willing to bet some $$$ that we are going to have to listen to "who let the dogs out" about a million times. Is that worse than that god forsaken Hawaii five o them song when you play Permian?

[toonman]

It would be funny if there is a back door and people are able to leave without the onslaught of questions from the people waiting for results. I say onslaught, maybe there is only one mail clerk from DMN looking for his big breaking story?

As we approach the 2 hour mark and still no white smoke. Does a long meeting bode well for Daxx or is it a signal that his QB days in Texas are over.

[farmerfan]

Both Frosh teams won convincingly last night as well.

Based on last night by 734 Dragon Fans will be tired of hearing barking. I would be willing to bet some $$$ that we are going to have to listen to "who let the dogs out" about a million times. Is that worse than that god forsaken Hawaii five o them song when you play Permian?

I've always found it funny to listen to Eye of the TIGER played by the Carroll DRAGON band after each opening kickoff of the game.

[Steve Butler]

will the game be on the radio for those at the stadium? I doubt we will be able to pick up kkgm that far south

[farmerfan]

As we approach the 2 hour mark and still no white smoke. Does a long meeting bode well for Daxx or is it a signal that his QB days in Texas are over.

I would think short means good and long means bad for the Garman family.

[Sakatha]

I would think short means good and long means bad for the Garman family.

Not sure how this could end any way but bad for the Garman family at this point.

~DnM

[Drag Goon]

I would think short means good and long means bad for the Garman family.
Since this was a regular scheduled meeting maybe they are taking care of the "normal" business before they get into this. I think it is better for all if they take their time and get as much information as possible before they make their decision. No matter which way they rule, somebody is going to say they are wrong.

[Drag Goon]

I also heard K Hill was on street clothes at the JV game. I guess it could be an injury but probably in case he has to play with varsity (starter or backup).

[farmerfan]

Since this was a regular scheduled meeting maybe they are taking care of the "normal" business before they get into this. I think it is better for all if they take their time and get as much information as possible before they make their decision. No matter which way they rule, somebody is going to say they are wrong.

I thought the meeting was called by Ozee and teh Carroll ISD?

[Drag Goon]

I thought the meeting was called by Ozee and teh Carroll ISD?

I heard that also but then I heard that they asked this to be reviewed by the DEC again and this is their normal meeting. I could be wrong.

[Classof10Dragons]

will the game be on the radio for those at the stadium? I doubt we will be able to pick up kkgm that far south

Dragon broadcast will be found at 88.7 in the stadium per the booster email.

[DrEdward]

I thought the meeting was called by Ozee and teh Carroll ISD?

The addition of the eligibility item was requested by Ozee. The district executive committee was already scheduled.

[farmerfan]

The addition of the eligibility item was requested by Ozee. The district executive committee was already scheduled.

Which still though, why would Kevin Rodgers have to be present for the entirety of your District meeting when he has nothing to do with it now? I would think after the eligibility portion was concluded he would leave and there is bound to be some media members there.

[the_great_state_of_TExas]

The next thrilling update as been posted!!!

9:42 a.m.: The committee is still meeting behind closed doors.


~DnM

What do you think the HS Gametime reporter is pulling down while he is waiting out side the door of this meeting?

$10/hr?

[SWMHebron]

Which still though, why would Kevin Rodgers have to be present for the entirety of your District meeting when he has nothing to do with it now? I would think after the eligibility portion was concluded he would leave and there is bound to be some media members there.

They may still be doing eligibility discussion.

When is the team leaving for CC? I would imagine this morning or no later than early afternoon. Isn't Wasson at the meeting, too?

[Sakatha]

What do you think the HS Gametime reporter is pulling down while he is waiting out side the door of this meeting?

$10/hr?

All I know is it's more than I'll make tonight while NOT watching the game. Freaking killing me to miss this entire season. Until this year I'd missed 1 game in the last 8 years. :(

<--- in Culinary School and externing @ a place for basically nothing...

~DnM

[Sakatha]

They may still be doing eligibility discussion.

When is the team leaving for CC? I would imagine this morning or no later than early afternoon. Isn't Wasson at the meeting, too?

Wasson is there, yes.

Another adrenaline-laden update has now flowed from the magical fingers of the reporter.... --->

11:05 a.m.: The committee is still meeting behind closed doors.

~DnM

[farmerfan]

They may still be doing eligibility discussion.

When is the team leaving for CC? I would imagine this morning or no later than early afternoon. Isn't Wasson at the meeting, too?

Yes he is and that is exactly what I was thinking. Cove is what, a good 2.5 hrs away at least? What time does the team plan to leave?
I have a feeling they are still meeting about the eligibility which IMO the shorter the better and the longer the worst.

[the_great_state_of_TExas]

All I know is it's more than I'll make tonight while NOT watching the game. Freaking killing me to miss this entire season. Until this year I'd missed 1 game in the last 8 years. :(

<--- in Culinary School and externing @ a place for basically nothing...

~DnM

Maybe you can barter with someone attending the game who has an iPhone 4. You can cook them a Chateaubriand steak in exchange for them live streaming the game on their phone.

[SWMHebron]

Yes he is and that is exactly what I was thinking. Cove is what, a good 2.5 hrs away at least? What time does the team plan to leave?
I have a feeling they are still meeting about the eligibility which IMO the shorter the better and the longer the worst.

Per google maps 3 hours 36 minutes. And that is down I35, which you know and love, but at least they don't go through Austin.