Katy will finally get a test!

[maverick#23]

For the first time all season the Katy Tigers will finally play a good solid opponent in Beaumont West Brook. Now they will know what it is like for the teams in the tougher districts in the state.

[shooter]

and here it comes.......

[lonny23]

and here it comes.......
West Brook is pretty good, but not much better than Strake. Oh, yeah, they didn't play Strake! :p

Seriously, the best teams Katy has played all year were 1st and 2nd Round fodder type teams. They won't play a real strong team until the semis.

[BigWhiteJake]

so after we stomp westbrook will that be good enough? or will we have to go beat la porte too? or will we have to make state? I mean seriously, Katy is not as good as they have been in past years. I am a Katy native (I was in Jasper at my uncle's ranch when I made this name and dont know how to change it) and I know some of the yokels are running around goin this is the best team we have ever had, and clearly its not. We have issues at linebacker and I know all about the immobile QB theory. Katy is still a very good team though, they are very well coached and for any team to beat them (except Southlake who is the best high school football team I have seen since 01 North Shore) they will have to play their best game. Katy should be the favorite to win Region III, and from what I have seen should have no problem beating BMW.

[maverick#23]

They (Katy) should win, though they may not get to spank as hard and often as they are use too. They will probably get spanked back a few more times as well.

[BayouBoy34]

For the first time all season the Katy Tigers will finally play a good solid opponent in Beaumont West Brook. Now they will know what it is like for the teams in the tougher districts in the state.

Granted we have played a weaker schedule. Our non-district games were against the Woodlands, Humble and Jersey Village - Usually strong teams. Our district was weak this year but aside from last year it has been extremely strong. It is not Katy's fault we had a weaker schedule. It just happend to be that way this year.

[gldneagles]

so after we stomp westbrook will that be good enough? or will we have to go beat la porte too? or will we have to make state? I mean seriously, Katy is not as good as they have been in past years. I am a Katy native (I was in Jasper at my uncle's ranch when I made this name and dont know how to change it) and I know some of the yokels are running around goin this is the best team we have ever had, and clearly its not. We have issues at linebacker and I know all about the immobile QB theory. Katy is still a very good team though, they are very well coached and for any team to beat them (except Southlake who is the best high school football team I have seen since 01 North Shore) they will have to play their best game. Katy should be the favorite to win Region III, and from what I have seen should have no problem beating BMW.
BWJ..........did i miss out on some big news today? did cyfalls drop out of the playoffs? darn, and i was so looking forward to the game with la porte next week. well, maybe next year then.

just yanking your chain. i saw the katy/creek game last night. katy is really strong this year. they are not as big as i expected, but man they are quick. my opinion, katy stays disciplined and focused and takes another crown this year! good luck, rep well.

[TXfbfan]

so after we stomp westbrook will that be good enough? or will we have to go beat la porte too? or will we have to make state? I mean seriously, Katy is not as good as they have been in past years. I am a Katy native (I was in Jasper at my uncle's ranch when I made this name and dont know how to change it) and I know some of the yokels are running around goin this is the best team we have ever had, and clearly its not. We have issues at linebacker and I know all about the immobile QB theory. Katy is still a very good team though, they are very well coached and for any team to beat them (except Southlake who is the best high school football team I have seen since 01 North Shore) they will have to play their best game. Katy should be the favorite to win Region III, and from what I have seen should have no problem beating BMW.

How is it clearly not. That just makes no sense. I played on the 03' team and know a little bit about it. This team may not have bucy, mabous, Gotte, Nesbitt, or thorton at linebacker but to make up for it have a tremendous secondary and D-line. Not to mention the big play passing game, which katy has never had. Im not saying they are hands down the best but its debatable.

[Tut]

The routs are nice, but we know there will be tough ones along the way. Can't expect any more to be decided by halftime. From now on, everyone left is good.
That being said, I believe that Katy does have the team to win it all! :)

[kttigersrock]

The routs are nice, but we know there will be tough ones along the way. Can't expect any more to be decided by halftime. From now on, everyone left is good.

That is a perfect point.

It applies to everyone left in the playoffs, no matter how 'soft' or 'hard' their schedule is peceived to be to this point by us experts. ;)

[nate]

Katy is still a very good team though, they are very well coached and for any team to beat them (except Southlake who is the best high school football team I have seen since 01 North Shore) they will have to play their best game.

When have you seen Southlake play this year? I realize you are welcome to your own opinion, but I've now seen Katy and SLC play twice this year and they were equally impressive. I do not think SLC is as good this year as they were last year. The defense is good, but they haven't faced a great offense yet, so we'll see.

[eagleike]

Katy will be tested early in this game by the West Brook qb but the Bruin player pool is limited and Katy will grind the West Brook defense until it can't go anymore and the torrent of points will overwhelm the Brook defense.

[rellufnalla]

so after we stomp westbrook will that be good enough? or will we have to go beat la porte too? or will we have to make state? I mean seriously, Katy is not as good as they have been in past years. I am a Katy native (I was in Jasper at my uncle's ranch when I made this name and dont know how to change it) and I know some of the yokels are running around goin this is the best team we have ever had, and clearly its not. We have issues at linebacker and I know all about the immobile QB theory. Katy is still a very good team though, they are very well coached and for any team to beat them (except Southlake who is the best high school football team I have seen since 01 North Shore) they will have to play their best game. Katy should be the favorite to win Region III, and from what I have seen should have no problem beating BMW.

Give it up. It don't matter who Katy takes down. Even if the Tigers beat SLC at state (AGAIN), it won't be good enough.

[BigWhiteJake]

nate- Ive seen SLC twice as well. The sophomore running back is excellent, I love aundre as a player and a person but the SLC back has to take the cake as the top RB in the class of '08. I see McElroy as a great passer, who passes well on the move, which is extremely rare in high school, and one of the main components colleges look for in a QB. I can't say enough about Jacobsen and Renfro, thats quite possibly the best tandum of receivers I have seen. The difference between SLC now and the years past is the defense though. They have pitched at least 4 shutouts on the season, and I thought holding Allen to 14 was impressive to say the least. Maybe I have just seen them at their epitome, but its the most complete high school team I have seen, like I said, Since '01 North Shore.

[BigWhiteJake]

you played football for Katy and can't spell Moebes? Anyways...

How is this clearly not the best team we ever had? I mean I'm stunned, I am. The 2000 Katy Tigers played such a grossly difficult schedule and just mangled opponents. In 2000, the district was so good that Katy and Elsik played in the Region III final, while Hastings won Region III in D1. Elsik's only losses were Katy, Hastings, Katy, and Hastings only losses were Katy and the D1 semifinal (Im sure Katy2000 could tell you who they played). There is no way ANYONE who truly knows the teams could call this Katy team better than Katy 2000. Not to mention, in 2000 they handed Tyler John Tyler their only 2 losses, and that was at the first and last games of the season, and both by convincing margins. Tyler had a fellow by the name of Aaron Ross on that team that was kind of good. I'm going to go find the '97 '98 '99 '00 and '03 (lets do '04 too) rosters for another thread and we will see which teams were better. I'm not saying they are all better, but you will see 2000 and 97 are far and away the 2 biggest talents loads Katy ever had.

On a seperate not I jsut want to be sure y'all know I'm not calling this year's team bad, I just haven't seen anything to make me believe they can better some of the premeir squads.

[bleedgreen]

Katy by multiple points.........tested?? i don't think so..........

[BigWhiteJake]

your absolutely right, katy hasnt been tested. but i would say with exception to humble and elsik, they have done the best they could with what they had to work with. i would be more critical if the non district schedule had been dulles, south houston, and the Texans, but Joseph scheduled 3 very legitimate programs in jersey village, woodlands, and humble. it just so happened they all had 'less than expected' years this year. but i will be the first person to say that the sophomore running back JV has in the best underclassmen i saw this year (aside of SLC's rb)

[TXfbfan]

nate- Ive seen SLC twice as well. The sophomore running back is excellent, I love aundre as a player and a person but the SLC back has to take the cake as the top RB in the class of '08. I see McElroy as a great passer, who passes well on the move, which is extremely rare in high school, and one of the main components colleges look for in a QB. I can't say enough about Jacobsen and Renfro, thats quite possibly the best tandum of receivers I have seen. The difference between SLC now and the years past is the defense though. They have pitched at least 4 shutouts on the season, and I thought holding Allen to 14 was impressive to say the least. Maybe I have just seen them at their epitome, but its the most complete high school team I have seen, like I said, Since '01 North Shore.

Dont you mean 03 NS

[TXfbfan]

your absolutely right, katy hasnt been tested. but i would say with exception to humble and elsik, they have done the best they could with what they had to work with. i would be more critical if the non district schedule had been dulles, south houston, and the Texans, but Joseph scheduled 3 very legitimate programs in jersey village, woodlands, and humble. it just so happened they all had 'less than expected' years this year. but i will be the first person to say that the sophomore running back JV has in the best underclassmen i saw this year (aside of SLC's rb)

Man Elsik didnt even make the playoffs they were horrible, the woods werent that bad.

[rellufnalla]

Better or not, this year's team is a whole different animal on offense.

It's just two playoff games at this point, but the point spread is 48 points against Clements and 39 against Creek. This begs the question - Is it as easy as it looks or are they meking it look easy?

[ktCarl]

They (Katy) should win, though they may not get to spank as hard and often as they are use too. They will probably get spanked back a few more times as well.

You're getting a bit kinky.

[nate]

nate- Ive seen SLC twice as well. The sophomore running back is excellent, I love aundre as a player and a person but the SLC back has to take the cake as the top RB in the class of '08. I see McElroy as a great passer, who passes well on the move, which is extremely rare in high school, and one of the main components colleges look for in a QB. I can't say enough about Jacobsen and Renfro, thats quite possibly the best tandum of receivers I have seen. The difference between SLC now and the years past is the defense though. They have pitched at least 4 shutouts on the season, and I thought holding Allen to 14 was impressive to say the least. Maybe I have just seen them at their epitome, but its the most complete high school team I have seen, like I said, Since '01 North Shore.

I completely disagree about Newton v. Dean. Dean is just as fast, runs much touger and actually gains yards between the tackles. McElroy is a great QB, that is for sure. I don't think he's head and shoulders better than a few other QBs around the state, however.

And re: the WRs, I will agree about Jacobsen - he's a stud. Renfro is not. He's faster than most anyone on the field, but he always backs away from contact, and he will not gain a lot of yards after the catch unless its on a deep route that hits him in stride.

The defense is also really good, but who have they played? A bunch of schools that try to run the same offense they do. I've said it once and I'll say it again - the Southlake D may be the best in the state at defending the spread offense. That does not make them the best defense in the state overall.

[TXfbfan]

you played football for Katy and can't spell Moebes? Anyways...

How is this clearly not the best team we ever had? I mean I'm stunned, I am. The 2000 Katy Tigers played such a grossly difficult schedule and just mangled opponents. In 2000, the district was so good that Katy and Elsik played in the Region III final, while Hastings won Region III in D1. Elsik's only losses were Katy, Hastings, Katy, and Hastings only losses were Katy and the D1 semifinal (Im sure Katy2000 could tell you who they played). There is no way ANYONE who truly knows the teams could call this Katy team better than Katy 2000. Not to mention, in 2000 they handed Tyler John Tyler their only 2 losses, and that was at the first and last games of the season, and both by convincing margins. Tyler had a fellow by the name of Aaron Ross on that team that was kind of good. I'm going to go find the '97 '98 '99 '00 and '03 (lets do '04 too) rosters for another thread and we will see which teams were better. I'm not saying they are all better, but you will see 2000 and 97 are far and away the 2 biggest talents loads Katy ever had.

On a seperate not I jsut want to be sure y'all know I'm not calling this year's team bad, I just haven't seen anything to make me believe they can better some of the premeir squads.

As far as im concerned the 97' team is 3rd best as of right now. Behind 00' 98'. All im saying is this team is comparable.

1. I loved Kaspar he is a great QB and i used to think he is the best Katys ever had but Dalton has completely oblitterated his Td record and the season has 4 more games left. Dalton in my opinion is katys best qb. I think the reason so many teams like katy are passing better is the summer 7 on 7

2. Andre Dean is probably the most gifted athlete to go through Katy and hes only a soph. Before its all said and done he will be Katy best RB ever.

3. Even with times changing and more teams going to the spread Katys secondary could be the best ever from katy statistictly.

4.im not saying this team is better im just saying their comparable. Even Kt 2000 would admit that.

PS sorry i cant spell Moebes right, he was even my baseball coach lol

[RebelRumble_07]

just want to say "WATCH OUT KATY" Hays was undeafeated until we played our 1st challange westlake which was at home and we still lose so be parpared

[TXfbfan]

Better or not, this year's team is a whole different animal on offense.

It's just two playoff games at this point, but the point spread is 48 points against Clements and 39 against Creek. This begs the question - Is it as easy as it looks or are they meking it look easy?

good question. i guess well find out

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Here it is guys....

I've seen both Katy and West Brook play, THIS YEAR, and I'll tell you, it won't be pretty! Katy, in my opinion, is set to play for the state title!

West Brook has a few solid players - nothing special! I see Katy winning this by a score of....

Katy 56
West Brook 21

(I saw West Brook play, just yesterday, against Creek....and Creek scored 21 unanswered points in the 3rd/4th qt to make a game out of it.......and y'all Creek was not any good...AT ALL!!!!!!!)

[KT TaylorMustang]

your absolutely right, katy hasnt been tested. but i would say with exception to humble and elsik, they have done the best they could with what they had to work with. i would be more critical if the non district schedule had been dulles, south houston, and the Texans, but Joseph scheduled 3 very legitimate programs in jersey village, woodlands, and humble. it just so happened they all had 'less than expected' years this year. but i will be the first person to say that the sophomore running back JV has in the best underclassmen i saw this year (aside of SLC's rb)

elsik was terrible. katy taylor did better against katy than elsik

[rellufnalla]

Katy Taylor is a double-edge sword against the Tigers. Sibling rivalry makes the Mustangs play hard and the Tigers worry about being known as "The team that lost to Taylor". You could see it on the field during the first half.

[CyFallsMom]

BWJ..........did i miss out on some big news today? did cyfalls drop out of the playoffs? darn, and i was so looking forward to the game with la porte next week. well, maybe next year then.

Hey Goldneagles, last week they were talking about the big showdown between Strake and Katy coming up in the Region III finals - guess nobody believes in the Golden Eagles except us die hards and I like it that way :) I like nothing more than being the underdog. Bring on LaPorte!!!!

[TXfbfan]

Hey Goldneagles, last week they were talking about the big showdown between Strake and Katy coming up in the Region III finals - guess nobody believes in the Golden Eagles except us die hards and I like it that way :) I like nothing more than being the underdog. Bring on LaPorte!!!!

I think that was most the Katy fans praying for it

[Tut]

The 2000 team ran through a very tough schedule while this years version has romped by a weaker one (to this point). This team has a lot of talent and will be tested in the coming weeks. It's too early to judge them yet. The playoffs is where the proof comes out. If they win the rest, they'll be in a class with the 2000 team as unbeaten champs. We'll find out soon!

[KTHoC]

Katy will be tested early in this game by the West Brook qb but the Bruin player pool is limited and Katy will grind the West Brook defense until it can't go anymore and the torrent of points will overwhelm the Brook defense.
Hey eagleike, good to see you on board. Trains a rollin'. Appreciate your posts because of your HS football knowledge and appreciation of the game.
Hey CyFallsMom, I knew we would hear from you soon. We knew Strake would not hold up past the third round for sure. They didn't make it past the second. Falls will be playing for their life this week. It will be another close game. Better hope your O coordianator callls a better game. This round will be tougher than the last one. We will be in the stands this week. Red and green go good together.
Katy will be tested and proved out. Their D will make the necessary adjustments to handle this talented offense. They will not overlook them by any means of the imagination. Westbrooks D will be stretched beyond their ability to contain the Katy offense. Too diverse for most teams to handle and prepare for. They are clicking on all 12 cylinders.

[Texas Bob]

I think West Brook should forget about Katy and start preparing for the Quarter Finals. You want to be and be ready for that game!

[BigWhiteJake]

for sure katy taylor u were better than elsik, but my point is that cavness gave us a bigger headache, we just fumbled a lot against yall. so far all that has hurt katy is speedy rb/qb (humble's johnson and elsik's cavness). i realize some of cavness' runs were late in the game against 2nd string, but he still did it with minimal blocking, plus will and darren were still in.

i dont see andy as better than kaspar, i never will even if he hangs the moon, just because kaspar was such a great athlete. PS Rob Peters is head and shoulders above the rest as katy's best QB. his team was just not quite as good cuz yautzlaw was the only other contributor. the list goes (at least since 1990) peters kaspar gore dalton, and I find that really hard to debate. certainly they have to go through some more tests before comapring them to anyone, but i'll tell you right now that whoever said the 97 and 98 teams were the best is absolutely on the ball. i would say 2000 97 98 but who cares. 98 was just a victim of circumstances, they were forced out and even had they played it likely wouldnt have mattered because midland lee was stacked.

i dont see how you can compare aundre to newton until the numbers are remotely the same? to me thats putting the wagon before the horse. calling him the best athelete to ever come through katy is a little ridiculous considering eric heitman was a consensus all american at stanford and is now playing for the 49ers. once again i love dre, but right now hes got to develop if he wants to be compared to branch and carroll and jones and aston as one of katy's best rb's.

last, i just want to point out that defending the spread is crucial at this point in the playoffs. you're going to see it from cove, SLC, katy, (lufkin?), and maybe SV. SLC's ability to do so gives them what i think to be the best defense still playing in D2

[SeeingRed]

TB - don't you mean West Brook? Frankly, I think they should jump into the SV'04 vs. SV '05 thread, just go ahead and play the semi-final game... ;)

[Texas Bob]

TB - don't you mean West Brook? Frankly, I think they should jump into the SV'04 vs. SV '05 thread, just go ahead and play the semi-final game... ;)

Yup West Brook, I noticed my error and lost my connections before I could fix it.

If we went by all the smack there wouldn't be a need to play any games.

[KT2000]

Dalton is shattering all of Kaspar's records, so he's got to be doing something right. No Katy QB has ever done what Dalton and the rest of the Tiger offense are doing this year.

Kaspar was a very good QB and manager of the game, but Dalton is easily the best pure passer to step on campus in my opinion. Peters and Gore are the best all-around athletes to play QB at Katy.

Michael Fuda has already eclipsed some of Marshall Schroeder's records. Katy started varsity play in 1939. Other successful Katy teams have played schedules like the one this year's team has played so far, and not done near as well.

Another thing that's not debatable about the 2005 Tigers is the overall speed. I've never personally seen all-around speed like this from a Tiger team. Katy usually doesn't have the personnel to be as balanced on offense as they are this year. If I didn't think they were that good, I'd say so. I don't have to blow smoke. I went to Katy from 96-00, so my standard for measuring Katy teams is pretty darn high.

It's too early to throw around "best team ever" label, but based on what I've seen from the 05 Tigers this year so far I believe they are very good and very talented. Weak opponents or not, you can't dismiss the talent on the field unless you just don't know what you are looking at.

[BigWhiteJake]

Hey KT2000, do you go to the Katy games? If so, I have seen you and will say hello at the next game. Well, I saw a guy with 5atexasfootball on his cap one day, that was the first time I checked out the site. I would say Dalton breaking Kaspar's records are subjective to the level of competition played though, wouldn't you? I recall a brutal schedule in 2000. Likewise, I would say with Branch, Mouton, and Jones that Katy handed the ball off a lot more. Against Cy I saw my one knock on Andy come out again, and that is his difficulty to move and throw, or throw off the scramble. I would see this being more of a problem as better teams with better coaches notice it and are able to get in the backfield. Both interceptions were off poor passes caused by pressure. Absolutely its too early to compare, but I find some of the eyebrows being raised to be a little ridiculous, i.e. Aundre being the best athlete to ever come through Katy.

[exbearkat]

Hey KT2000, do you go to the Katy games? If so, I have seen you and will say hello at the next game. Well, I saw a guy with 5atexasfootball on his cap one day, that was the first time I checked out the site. I would say Dalton breaking Kaspar's records are subjective to the level of competition played though, wouldn't you? I recall a brutal schedule in 2000. Likewise, I would say with Branch, Mouton, and Jones that Katy handed the ball off a lot more. Against Cy I saw my one knock on Andy come out again, and that is his difficulty to move and throw, or throw off the scramble. I would see this being more of a problem as better teams with better coaches notice it and are able to get in the backfield. Both interceptions were off poor passes caused by pressure. Absolutely its too early to compare, but I find some of the eyebrows being raised to be a little ridiculous, i.e. Aundre being the best athlete to ever come through Katy.
I think it's fairly obvious that this years Katy team is by far the most balanced in the last 25 years. Also, at least two coaches that have been with the program throughout the last 10 years have stated that this years team is the most talented that they've ever seen. Stiff competition or not, these guys are flat out loaded.

[my3sons]

Katy looks to be the Class of Region 3. They probably will meet S. Valley in the Semis. Southlake should handle Abilene. Abilene is a great ballclub, but they haven't met the pressure SLC will give them both offensively and defensively. SLC will pound Plano to be the Region 1 winner. Expect they will play the always tough Lufkin Panthers in Waco for the right to meet Katy for the State Championship. Great game once again. Katy has proved they have the formula to beat SLC. However, this year's SLC team has the explosive offense and the strong defense to contain Katy's ball-control offense.

[BigWhiteJake]

i can see most balanced offense, however i dont see the front 7 on D from past years. kirchner is solid, so is taylor, but ethan is hurt and it shows. I just think a good spread offense is going to give them problems, we have seen speed eat them up already this year even on crappy teams. who knows, only the games will tell, but i think holding the other teams to single digits has ended

[exbearkat]

Katy's ball-control offense.
Don't look now, but it appears those days are over. ;)

[BigWhiteJake]

agreed, no more ball control offense, exbearkat, are you jared kaspar by any chance, cause he went to SHSU didnt he?

[Tigerjag]

agreed, no more ball control offense, exbearkat, are you jared kaspar by any chance, cause he went to SHSU didnt he?

Kaspar went to Texas State when it was Southwest Texas.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

WB is garbage!! Katy by 50! :mad:

[Miss Kitty]

You're getting a bit kinky.


Oh no! Ktcarl needs his fix and it is still early in the week. ;)

[rellufnalla]

Other than Katy, did anybody else in 5A win by 39 points in this last round?
NO.

Did Daulton get sacked in the last two games?
NO.

Were there more forced turnovers resulting in a score in the last round?
?

[UT66]

I am looking forward to Katy being tested by someone. They need it in my opinion. Better to get tested at this point that in the semi's. I love the comparisons between the 97, 98, 2000, 2001 and 2003 teams. Subjective to say the least. But as has been said, the one constant is the coaches and they will tell you that this team hasnt even been pushed yet to see what they have in the tank. But, they have more speed, talent and skill as a group (not individual comparisons) than past squads. This doesnt mean they will blow past all the competition and sweep into the championship because they will certainly meet some team to push them and until then we wont know what they are capable of. At least SLC and SV and several others have seen some better competition at this point and that gives them an edge in my opinion again. Katy needs a tough one to search deep and prove something to themselves. I havent seen West Brook but the stats and run that Clear Creek put on them dont make me think they are the favorite in this game. If they get that far, SV will be the favorite and SLC will be the favorite and thats good. Katy loves that "dont get no respect" profile. Those that dont think Dalton can pass on the run or evade the rush and still be an effective passer are not witnesses to his games. He certainly can do that and does do it and thats the reason the D1 offers are already in the mail. He doesnt get sacked often enough to make it an issue and can run when he has to to the surprise of many defenses. Its not the O that will dictate the success of Katy, its the D.

[GoRangers]

Katy loves that "dont get no respect" profile.

:confused: What's Katy's rank, again? And you get no respect? Maybe no respect from junior high posters on this website.

[WestlandTiger'95]

agreed, no more ball control offense, exbearkat, are you jared kaspar by any chance, cause he went to SHSU didnt he?

just because we dont run the ball 90% of the time doesnt mean that we're not a ball control offense...we still grind it out and set up the pass...we are just better at it this year than we ever have been. We gain more yards per play and havent had as many 17 play drives this year and that is because we're good..plain and simple. I think you'll see that katy will be able to shorten the field if they have to...heck we've been doing it for years, its like riding a bike...but we havent had that often this year. Teams are not able to put 9 guys in the box anymore which is why we average more yards per carry now.
I dont know if this team is better than 2000 or 98(just being mentioned with those teams is an honor) but is it doing what it is supposed to do against who they play, which is dominate...so I'll take it

the definiton of ball control in my book= drive down the field and score and not just chunk and hope your boy catches the ball and runs. There are not many teams left like that at this point in the season.

[rellufnalla]

I am looking forward to Katy being tested by someone. They need it in my opinion. Better to get tested at this point that in the semi's. I love the comparisons between the 97, 98, 2000, 2001 and 2003 teams. Subjective to say the least. But as has been said, the one constant is the coaches and they will tell you that this team hasnt even been pushed yet to see what they have in the tank. But, they have more speed, talent and skill as a group (not individual comparisons) than past squads. This doesnt mean they will blow past all the competition and sweep into the championship because they will certainly meet some team to push them and until then we wont know what they are capable of. At least SLC and SV and several others have seen some better competition at this point and that gives them an edge in my opinion again. Katy needs a tough one to search deep and prove something to themselves. I havent seen West Brook but the stats and run that Clear Creek put on them dont make me think they are the favorite in this game. If they get that far, SV will be the favorite and SLC will be the favorite and thats good. Katy loves that "dont get no respect" profile. Those that dont think Dalton can pass on the run or evade the rush and still be an effective passer are not witnesses to his games. He certainly can do that and does do it and thats the reason the D1 offers are already in the mail. He doesnt get sacked often enough to make it an issue and can run when he has to to the surprise of many defenses. Its not the O that will dictate the success of Katy, its the D.


Well written. Eloquent in fact and accurate.

[rellufnalla]

just because we dont run the ball 90% of the time doesnt mean that we're not a ball control offense...we still grind it out and set up the pass...we are just better at it this year than we ever have been. We gain more yards per play and havent had as many 17 play drives this year and that is because we're good..plain and simple. I think you'll see that katy will be able to shorten the field if they have to...heck we've been doing it for years, its like riding a bike...but we havent had that often this year. Teams are not able to put 9 guys in the box anymore which is why we average more yards per carry now.
I dont know if this team is better than 2000 or 98(just being mentioned with those teams is an honor) but is it doing what it is supposed to do against who they play, which is dominate...so I'll take it

the definiton of ball control in my book= drive down the field and score and not just chunk and hope your boy catches the ball and runs. There are not many teams left like that at this point in the season.


I hope the important aspect of "ball control" that gave Katy a win over SLC in 2003 is not overlooked. Katy ate the clock with possession and long drives.
I don't think we would have won otherwise.

The new and improved "Air Katy" changes that tactic. It will really put the load on defense to hold the "tit for tat score" that could result.

[dragonfootballfan]

I hope the important aspect of "ball control" that gave Katy a win over SLC in 2003 is not overlooked. Katy ate the clock with possession and long drives.
I don't think we would have won otherwise.

The new and improved "Air Katy" changes that tactic. It will really put the load on defense to hold the "tit for tat score" that could result.
I hate to break it to you, but most teams control the clock against Carroll. I mean Carroll almost always loses the time of possesion battle

[KT2000]

Clock eating played a big role in the Carroll game, but it was nearly meaningless because of not finishing in the red zone. There's no drama at the end if Katy finishes drives in the first half of that game specifically.

Being able to pass doesn't necessarily take away the ability to control the clock. If anything, it helps because those 3rd and medium to longs become much more easy to manage and keep the chains moving. One of the most successful ball control offenses ever devised is Bill Walsh's west coast attack.

I'd much rather have a balanced, versatile offense.

As far as not being tested goes...if you define it by the final score then no, Katy hasn't been tested much. However, if you look deeper I think you'll find otherwise.

For example, against Cy Creek the score was 18-7 and the Tiger defense forces Creek to punt from around midfield after they'd scored the possession before. Katy's returner mistakenly fields the ball at the 2 yard line. So, the Katy offense is backed up when Creek is threatening to make it a game. The answer? A methodical 98 yard touchdown drive to reaffirm their presence and effectively crush any momentum Cy Creek may have had.

There have been other instances when the team has needed to make a big play/drive/stand, and they've gotten it done. So, I don't necessarily agree with the "they haven't been tested". No, they haven't been forced to make any dramatic fourth quarter drives/plays but that's because they are very good at putting opponents away.

[dragonsdaddy]

That is a perfect point.

It applies to everyone left in the playoffs, no matter how 'soft' or 'hard' their schedule is peceived to be to this point by us experts. ;)
the sa teams have a bye week this round, so your theory doesn't hold up there.

[katydude]

I've been watching Katy since '94 and can add a few observations here.

1) About ball-control, Katy has had more 1,2, & 3-play drives this year than in any previous year. Part of that is due to consistent outstanding field position supplied by special teams play, particularly kick coverage. The speed KT2000 has mentioned is evident on kicks. Teams are usually buried deep in their own territory. Katy's return guys, Konesheck and Thompson, are masters at setting up a short field. If you give them 5 yards on coverage, they may pick up 10-15. Thompson returned one to the house against CC last weekend. Also a factor is Katy's ability to move the ball through the air. They throw deep and into the end zone more this year than I've ever seen. Fuda is a speedster and consistently beats his coverage. If teams double him, Katy is content to run it or throw underneath to the TE or out of the backfield. Clear Creek last week gave up some rush defense to defend the pass. They did a fairly good job of doubling Fuda, but he managed to break free a few times. Katy killed CC with the underneath passing game and outside rushing game and picked up well over 400 yards of offense against a solid D.

2) Dalton is not a speedster and doesn't have the athletic ability of a Kaspar or Gore, but he can avoid the sack and can run when called upon. He rarely throws a bad pass, and consistently throws on the run (designed bootleg). His ints last week were due to him forcing the ball trying to make a big play against multiple coverage.

3) Dalton and the Katy offense run the best 2-minute drill I've ever seen at the high school level. Their primary weapon is a timing pass that is virtually impossible to defend.

4) On the downside, Katy has shown some weakness in defending the rush up the middle out of the spread, and that's where most teams have picked up yards against them. Unlike last year against Clear Lake, nobody has been able to run outside on them, but teams have been able to fool them inside.

5) On team comparisons, the '97 team was just BIG. The entire Sr. class Oline went on to play college ball. The '98 team had perhaps the best defense of all Katy teams anchored by two-time all-stater Robbie McDaniel. IMHO, though, the offense was iffy. The Oline was young and Matt Gore and Bronston Carroll carried the offense. When Carroll went down against SA Mac in the semifinal with a foot injury, Katy had a hard time mustering much offense, but won the game on defense 14-6. The 99 team was also very good, but was young (Kaspar & Branch were Jrs.). IMHO, the 2000 team can't be touched. Kaspar, Branch, Mouton, Matt Nesbitt on D. That team had a much better D that the 2005 Tigers, but didn't throw the ball as much.
2003 was a Cinderella story that started slow and finished fast with a big Oline and James Aston carrying the offense. The history on the 2005 Tigers is still being written, but I agree with the comments that this team hasn't kicked it into overdrive yet. That may come this weekend.

[AGDAD]

Katydude,

Just to refresh your memory, The 98 team did have three Sr. on the o-line with one being All- State.

[WildcatMom]

Yes I agree that Saturdays game against Westbrook was not our finest hour! However, if you look at the stats it was a much closer game that the score showed. Turnovers just killed us! I think between the inexperience of playoff game stress and some questionable calls by the officials we kept up with Westbrook. With a new system and a very young quarterback we did not do too bad. 20 unanswered points in the first 6 minutes of the 3rd quarter. Look out next year 3 recievers who all run a 4.3 to 4.4 40 returning. With a full year under these new coaches these boys can only get better! :)

GO Creek!!

[rellufnalla]

Is it Saturday yet?

[bowski99]

The '98 team had perhaps the best defense of all Katy teams anchored by two-time all-stater Robbie McDaniel. IMHO, though, the offense was iffy. The Oline was young and Matt Gore and Bronston Carroll carried the offense.


The entire 98 O-line, including the tight end, were seniors. Only 3/11 of the offensive starters were not seniors.

[Fan4Life]

I have never heard anything about this West Brook team..... What kind of offense do they run and were ais thier school located at?

[bowski99]

In my opinion, I am getting tired off all the talk about Katy not getting tested. Has it occured to anybody that this Katy team might just be that much better that its competition so far? Yes, 19-5A was not as good this year as it has been before. But the Woodlands and Humble don't suck. And Clements and Cy Creek were in the playoffs for a reason.

So the way people are talking, IF Katy wins state, and beats every team from here on out 50-7, does that mean that Katy was never tested? In my opinion, Katy is just that damn good this year.

[Amused]

My opinion is that this may be the best Katy team ever. I realize that there are loyal people out there who remember previous Katy teams fondly, but this particular team has too much fire power and is too well coached not to be regarded as the best. These guys are awesome and it will be fun to follow them. This coming from a Strake Jesuit fan.

[SmilinTiger]

just want to say "WATCH OUT KATY" Hays was undeafeated until we played our 1st challange westlake which was at home and we still lose so be parpared

"parparation" is our middle name.

[SmilinTiger]

I think that was most the Katy fans praying for it

We only pray for the next opponent. We don't care who it is.

[BigWhiteJake]

west brook will be the best team Katy has played. I would say the kick coverage team will be challenged more this week. That whole last game I was my god theres the giant gaping whole in the center. anyways, west brook is loacted in beaumont for the person who asked. also, i could see them exploiting the katy lb's, but not to the point to challenge them for the game. maybe KT2000 would know better, but I figure Katy should pull this one out with ease, maybe not to the point of taking the starters out, but without much of a threat...
Katy 35
BWB 13
that might be about right unless beamerball kicks into effect again

[rellufnalla]

We only pray for the next opponent. We don't care who it is.


Don't you mean prey on the next opponent.? :D

Any game will do. :eek:

[Fan4Life]

west brook will be the best team Katy has played. I would say the kick coverage team will be challenged more this week. That whole last game I was my god theres the giant gaping whole in the center. anyways, west brook is loacted in beaumont for the person who asked. also, i could see them exploiting the katy lb's, but not to the point to challenge them for the game. maybe KT2000 would know better, but I figure Katy should pull this one out with ease, maybe not to the point of taking the starters out, but without much of a threat...
Katy 35
BWB 13
that might be about right unless beamerball kicks into effect again


I agree with BigWhite....but I think at half time it will be a close game

At the half
Katy 14
West 7

Final
Katy 34
West 14

[JeremySmith]

I saw Katy Tigers for the first time last week, I was blown away. The game this week might be close but they win. Katy has a perfect season so far.

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[BigWhiteJake]

fan4life, you just made a friend for life. lol no one ever agrees with me til the dust settles, then they all go, now who could have predicted that?

[Fan4Life]

:Dfan4life, you just made a friend for life. lol no one ever agrees with me til the dust settles, then they all go, now who could have predicted that?

:D what can i say!

[Fleeman93]

In my opinion West Brook will not be the best team that Katy has faced this year. Last week against Clear Creek West Brook looked lost at times in their pass defense. I think Katy will use the pass to setup the run this week and by mid fourth quarter the Brook defense will be so worn down that they will have no answer for any aspect of Katy's offense. Brook's offense continually beat Creek's defense with the pass and I just don't see them having that much success through the air this week. Brook will have to get their yards on the ground to succeed and against Katy's "bend but don't break" defense they will have to limit their mistakes.

Early week prediction is Katy by 36.

[rellufnalla]

Katy 42
West Brook 7

[BigWhiteJake]

Who would be better Fleeman? You think Woodlands, because they turned out to be a dissapointment, even though they were knocked out by a very good Consolidated team. I wouldn't say humble because WB whipped Madison and I dont think Humble could do that. Defensively this will be the best team Katy has seen, and speed wise as well. I think if any team can figure out a way to get to Andy then Katy's offense will be in serious trouble, although we might have to wait 2 more weeks to see such a team...

[Oiler1]

Ok the Chronicle finally posted the box score for West Brook last week.

http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/sports/hs/fb/boys/boys_fb_boxscore.hts?game_no=6518&class=5A&district=24-5A&month=09&date=6&year=2005

The 786 yards of total offense combined with 9 turn overs tells the story and no West Brook did not pull the starters (despite there local paper saying different). Even the ones going both ways were still in during the 4th quarter and they were taking every second they could off the clock to slow down the Creek attack in the second half. They kept turning it over and Creek stopped in the second half except for the interception in the 4th off a tip. West Brook's sloppy play and inaccurate passing will catch up with them this week. They are strip happy and are fortunate that Creek turned it over more than they did or they would have lost. Katy 38 to 12

I also wonder how legal it is to bring your own QB from the previous school you were coaching (West Brook starter)? Guess since it was 3A or 4A its all legal. I thought you had to sit a year?

[BigWhiteJake]

Ive seen Katy running backs fumble a lot this year, well I guess compared to James everyone fumbles a lot. Still, I don't see strip happy as being a negative thing, only when tackling power backs, strip happy is perfect for small backs.

[KT2000]

Katy's RBs haven't fumbled for a while now. That was an early season issue.

[Bootsdaddy]

I have never heard anything about this West Brook team..... What kind of offense do they run and were ais thier school located at?

West Brook is in Beaumont. Would be a nice story for them to advance with Hurricane Rita interrupting their season but I dont really think they can hang with Katy.

Katy 35
WB 7

[ktCarl]

This will also be a test for B. West Brook.