Speed

[pack98]

Lots of talk about teams with speed and everything who has the best team speed.

I am going with Lufkin everytime we play someone they always talk about how they have never seen speed like that before. the Hays coach said it the Harker coach said it. and well harker plays cove. Even the big o-line harker 77 said that lufkin had more speed on D than Cove.

lufkin has great speed and no one on the D runs slower than a 4.7 they are not big like your carter's or your trinity's but they can run and speed kills.

the first thing the new Texas D cordinator did was move saftey's to linebackers and linebackers to DE to get more speed.

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[lonny23]

I can't vote. You said Katy or whoever. Put Katy and then put Other.

We need 5 choices, not a 4th choice that lists a team, but is also the catch-all vote.

I don't know who has the best speed. Judson does a good job in the speed department, too.

[toonman]

All coaches will say that you cannot coach speed. You either have it or you do not. The differnce is in technique and that while a team may have players with speed, if they are not coached the correct techniques, then the speed is wasted.

[pack98]

sorry about that there are a few other teams in there. katy,judson,garland and some others. I am sure that people will come on and tell us all about there team.

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[Plano Wildcat Fan]

All I know is Plano is the Slowest most unathletic team left in 5A. :D

[Tejasnole]

For the past two weeks analysts have been talking about speed. I don't think it matters that much when you are a good hard nosed team like plano.

[pack98]

dont agree my friend SPEED kills if you have a 6-6 300 lbs.lineman and a D end at 6-0 215 but runs a 4.3 or 4.4 and pass rushing who would you go with. by the time the linemen gets out of his stance the end is just blazing around him. Speed is the factor in most games look at most plays if the WR is just faster then he makes that catch or pulls away from the defender. you got to have Speed at your skill position if not then you are in trouble if you play a team like Lufkin,Cove,Garland,Westfield, they will get past you and run around you all day long.

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[Plano Wildcat Fan]

dont agree my friend SPEED kills if you have a 6-6 300 lbs.lineman and a D end at 6-0 215 but runs a 4.3 or 4.4 and pass rushing who would you go with. by the time the linemen gets out of his stance the end is just blazing around him. Speed is the factor in most games look at most plays if the WR is just faster then he makes that catch or pulls away from the defender. you got to have Speed at your skill position if not then you are in trouble if you play a team like Lufkin,Cove,Garland,Westfield, they will get past you and run around you all day long.

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Just ask SGP about DE speed against a 6-2 300 lb tackle. Sure they pursue well and get their share of tackles. but as the game wears on and you have a power option team like Plano the run gets better and better. It showed last night :)

[pack98]

true, that is just were you have to have depth to keep rotating people and keep them fresh.

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[DragonFan]

Believe it or not SLC is a fairly fast team.

[ruffshod]

Speed is a relatively loose term. It's like a tool. It's only as good as the person using it.

[maverick#23]

If we are taking 22 starters best 40 yard dash times and dividing it by 22, then I would guess maybe Lufkin. I know region 4 a little better and using this equation it would probably be very close. I would guess Smithson Valley might have a slight edge 22 deep, followed by SA Madison, and then Judson close behind. If were talking skills players and defensive backs then Madison would win hands down.

[BigWhiteJake]

well, see i think this is all relative. example, lufkins speed will show more because hewitt and shankle are at the speed positions. lufkin is more likely to beat a team using their speed because in all likelihood hewitt and shankle are the fastest guys on the field, you see what i mean? where as i love how cove has a good runner at every position, just not any one single guy thats going to emerge as the fastest guy on the field

[TrojanHorse03]

Speed is a relatively loose term. It's like a tool. It's only as good as the person using it.

That's the best way to look at it.

[heightsboy77]

it is true lufkins d is faster than coves in the front 7 especially number 7 and 42 have good speed especailly 7 who consistently ran down plays from the backside against us and were not slow, from playing against both i would give the edge to lufkin even though cove has better schemes but all there twist and blitzes give up the possibilit of the big play

[toonman]

Speed is a relatively loose term. It's like a tool. It's only as good as the person using it.


This is a great comment. Any skill or attribute is only as good as the person using it.

[bleedgreen]

Longview has excellent team speed...oh wait, you were talking about the teams who haven't choked yet---my bad.................

[ThEgReAtOnE]

1) Westfield
2) Garland
3) North Shore
4) Lufkin
5) Katy

[Redneckn]

I went with "whoever". I think Longview is the fastest. The fastest to get out of the playoffs..hahaha.. okok.. Kidding Longview people. Don't go getting all whiney. I was kidding. Longview really is pretty fast.

I think the Dragons of South Lake Carrol are fastest. With Lufkin coming in real close behind them.

[WestlandTiger'95]

dont agree my friend SPEED kills if you have a 6-6 300 lbs.lineman and a D end at 6-0 215 but runs a 4.3 or 4.4 and pass rushing who would you go with. by the time the linemen gets out of his stance the end is just blazing around him. Speed is the factor in most games look at most plays if the WR is just faster then he makes that catch or pulls away from the defender. you got to have Speed at your skill position if not then you are in trouble if you play a team like Lufkin,Cove,Garland,Westfield, they will get past you and run around you all day long.

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Most teams with that size are gonna run right at ya....so there wont be much pass protection for those fast ends to blow right by. They have to stand up and fight then and let the boys behind them do their job....which is where you really need speed then...and lufkin always does

the only way to beat speed is to wear it out. "Short yard poundings" at 4 yards a pop. Look at Plano...if they win thats the way they will do it.

[RebelRumble_07]

well, see i think this is all relative. example, lufkins speed will show more because hewitt and shankle are at the speed positions. lufkin is more likely to beat a team using their speed because in all likelihood hewitt and shankle are the fastest guys on the field, you see what i mean? where as i love how cove has a good runner at every position, just not any one single guy thats going to emerge as the fastest guy on the field


Jake has a point there on our 1st play of the game the reciver cought the ball and the nearest defender for lufkin was 5-10 yards away and still brought him down not sure who the defender was.

[Favpack]

Jake has a point there on our 1st play of the game the reciver cought the ball and the nearest defender for lufkin was 5-10 yards away and still brought him down not sure who the defender was.

Unfortunately Rebel the defender was 15 yards away. On the pass to the big TE - the defender was more like 25 yards away - both were run down easily even though they were both great plays that led to TD's for Hays. Hewitt ran down Antwan Cobb last year with a terrible angle. The only rb I've seen pull away from our db's is Vondrell McGee, although Shorts from the Woodz was deceptively fast - he held his own.

[slc0204]

slc has the fastest "o" in the state! no argument

renfro 4.3 mile relay 47.00, runner up at state 2 years in the 300 hurdles
jacobson 4.3 qualified for the 200 at state as a jr leg slowed him slowed him down this track season
fentress 4.3 transfer from Lake Highlands maybe the fastest
smiter 4.4 great player D-1 look how he feels that uniform out
presley 4.4 great back up would start any where else
dodge4.4 soph Mile relay as a fresh 49.00 had highest verticle on the team!
newton 4.5 soph faster in the 100 than the 40 one the placed in district
and greg and allen arent as fast but 4.7 ish

I think thats pretty dang fast squad ATHLETIC

[dragons08]

I went with "whoever". I think Longview is the fastest. The fastest to get out of the playoffs..hahaha.. okok.. Kidding Longview people. Don't go getting all whiney. I was kidding. Longview really is pretty fast.

I think the Dragons of South Lake Carrol are fastest. With Lufkin coming in real close behind them.
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its Southlake Carroll Dragons

[Redneckn]

jadsklfjasdkl;fjakdlsfjlkasdjflk;asdjf!! come on thats like the 4358349058309 time!

its Southlake Carroll Dragons


Aren't you s'posed to be mowing the yard or blowing the driveway off?

[dragons08]

Aren't you s'posed to be mowing the yard or blowing the driveway off?
acuttaly yes, but im "busy" right now :D

[LUFPAN]

Believe it or not SLC is a fairly fast team.

The Dragon's do have good speed at receiver but not much on the rest of the team. I always make the SouthLake faithful mad when I say this (I live and work amongst them) but....SLC is not a very athletic team (yes I've seen them play this year). They beat you with great execution, great coaching and they don't turn over the ball. They lack the size of a Trinity or the speed of a Lufkin. They beat you 10yds at a time.

[Favpack]

slc has the fastest "o" in the state! no argument

renfro 4.3 mile relay 47.00, runner up at state 2 years in the 300 hurdles
jacobson 4.3 qualified for the 200 at state as a jr leg slowed him slowed him down this track season
fentress 4.3 transfer from Lake Highlands maybe the fastest
smiter 4.4 great player D-1 look how he feels that uniform out
presley 4.4 great back up would start any where else
dodge4.4 soph Mile relay as a fresh 49.00 had highest verticle on the team!
newton 4.5 soph faster in the 100 than the 40 one the placed in district
and greg and allen arent as fast but 4.7 ish

I think thats pretty dang fast squad ATHLETIC

Here we go again with fake 40 times. Reggie McNeal was timed this summer at 4.29 by pro scouts - twice. They ran him twice to make sure because sub 4.3's are usually mistakes - AT ANY LEVEL. This was a HUGE deal to Coach Fran - he found it almost hard to believe - thus, it made headlines for awhile at Aggieland.

And, you're saying essentially all of your skill players are that fast - no way my friend, no way.

[Redneckn]

The Dragon's do have good speed at receiver but not much on the rest of the team. I always make the SouthLake faithful mad when I say this (I live and work amongst them) but....SLC is not a very athletic team (yes I've seen them play this year). They beat you with great execution, great coaching and they don't turn over the ball. They lack the size of a Trinity or the speed of a Lufkin. They beat you 10yds at a time.


You make a very valid point about the 10yds at a time. There is nothing wrong with playing it that way as long as it works. I just have a feeling that if they were to play a team that beat them on the 10yds, they were spread it out long and still take it. I think the fact that they are coached to a level of near perfection is what really is the killer.

But, they will eventually be toppled. Could be this year.

[LoneStarProud]

First it was steroids...now speed!!! When's it going to stop :cool:

[LUFPAN]

You make a very valid point about the 10yds at a time. There is nothing wrong with playing it that way as long as it works. I just have a feeling that if they were to play a team that beat them on the 10yds, they were spread it out long and still take it. I think the fact that they are coached to a level of near perfection is what really is the killer.

But, they will eventually be toppled. Could be this year.

I've watched SLC play quite a lot over the last few years. Defensive secondaries are so scared of the deep ball that they give the SLC receivers a 10 yd cushion and play a cover 2 defense. SLC will absolutely pick this apart with their route running. If the D moves to a cover three to try to stop the underneath routes, the SLC receivers will either split the defenders and run a skinny post or give the corner and inside move then run a fly down the sideline. To beat SLC you need to have a ball control offense that will keep SLC's offense off the field and you need to have great speed at your corner position to try to bump SLC off their route on the line, then turn and run upfield with them. A team with great corner speed could play the man to man and shift to a cover three (I'd still play a deeper than normal 3) to defend the crossing patterns.

[Redneckn]

I've watched SLC play quite a lot over the last few years. Defensive secondaries are so scared of the deep ball that they give the SLC receivers a 10 yd cushion and play a cover 2 defense. SLC will absolutely pick this apart with their route running. If the D moves to a cover three to try to stop the underneath routes, the SLC receivers will either split the defenders and run a skinny post or give the corner and inside move then run a fly down the sideline. To beat SLC you need to have a ball control offense that will keep SLC's offense off the field and you need to have great speed at your corner position to try to bump SLC off their route on the line, then turn and run upfield with them. A team with great corner speed could play the man to man and shift to a cover three (I'd still play a deeper than normal 3) to defend the crossing patterns.


You've thought about this huh? haha.. Do you think there are any teams currently still in play that could take them down though?

[LUFPAN]

You've thought about this huh? haha.. Do you think there are any teams currently still in play that could take them down though?

Lufkin has the secondary speed to run with the SLC receivers but Lufkin has a spread offense that tends to score quickly. Trying to win a shoot out with SLC is not the way to beat them as we have learned in the state semis 2 out of the last 3 years. Both games were great and came down to the end but ultimately the SLC offense will score points if they are on the field. Katy may be the team that matches up best against SLC. They have a power running game and control the clock. This year they have added a nice passing game to compliment the run. The Katy defense does not have the speed of Lufkin but because their offense keeps the ball they won't need to. Katy's game plan in the 2003 title game was simple. Keep the ball, Southlake can't score if their offense can't get on the field.

[Redneckn]

Lufkin has the secondary speed to run with the SLC receivers but Lufkin has a spread offense that tends to score quickly. Trying to win a shoot out with SLC is not the way to beat them as we have learned in the state semis 2 out of the last 3 years. Both games were great and came down to the end but ultimately the SLC offense will score points if they are on the field. Katy may be the team that matches up best against SLC. They have a power running game and control the clock. This year they have added a nice passing game to compliment the run. The Katy defense does not have the speed of Lufkin but because their offense keeps the ball they won't need to. Katy's game plan in the 2003 title game was simple. Keep the ball, Southlake can't score if their offense can't get on the field.

That was part of what led to Longviews success this year. Clock control. That's why ECA got beat last year and the year before. They didnt control the clock. ECA got beat this year because they couldn't control the clock and their QB sucks.

I'd like to see SLC and Lufkin tie into again this year.

[LUFPAN]

That was part of what led to Longviews success this year. Clock control. That's why ECA got beat last year and the year before. They didnt control the clock. ECA got beat this year because they couldn't control the clock and their QB sucks.

I'd like to see SLC and Lufkin tie into again this year.

We both got two more games to fight our way through before that can happen. But if it does happen get a ticket. The last two have been nail-biters right down to the end.

[PowerPack'd]

The Dragon's do have good speed at receiver but not much on the rest of the team. I always make the SouthLake faithful mad when I say this (I live and work amongst them) but....SLC is not a very athletic team (yes I've seen them play this year). They beat you with great execution, great coaching and they don't turn over the ball. They lack the size of a Trinity or the speed of a Lufkin. They beat you 10yds at a time.
SLC's last drive against us took almost 5 minutes off of the clock. They can run the clock when they need too. That is part of what makes them so tough. They can score quick or they can grind it out. Most of Lufkin's scores are quick. We don't grind many out. I have been very pleased with our ground game the last two weeks. It has really carried us these past two weeks when everyone has been keying on our passing game.

[Redneckn]

We both got two more games to fight our way through before that can happen. But if it does happen get a ticket. The last two have been nail-biters right down to the end.


The weekend that game would happen, I am to be in Shreveport for the La state Title game for 1A and 5A.. That's about my luck. Everytime there is a game in Texas that I really want to see, I am to be in Shreveport.
But I am actually considering not going in that weekend so I can catch the SLC/Lufkin game, assuming it happens.

As I sit here and think about it, I may actually HAVE to be in Shreveport. So at this point, I have to hope the game on Friday nite and somewhere I can get to if I can get off work early. That is crappy time for me.
This always happens. I have to go home that weekend, then come back to Austin Sunday. Work mon and tues. Go back to Shreveport Wed. as Baby is graduating college. Then take care of some stuff, load the truck with Babys crap, then come back to Austin. Load all her junk into my little apartment. and blah...

This really does suck. I am devasted. Knowing my luck, the game will be Friday nite in Waco, will start @ 7 and I wont be able to even listen to it on the radio while I drive...
Crap!

I miss the SLC/Ab game this week because of work. That's it. I'm quitting my job so I can watch HighSchool Football.

Well, we'll see how it all plays out. LP has a game they need to get past this weekend. 1 game at a time...

[maverick#23]

Here we go again with fake 40 times. Reggie McNeal was timed this summer at 4.29 by pro scouts - twice. They ran him twice to make sure because sub 4.3's are usually mistakes - AT ANY LEVEL. This was a HUGE deal to Coach Fran - he found it almost hard to believe - thus, it made headlines for awhile at Aggieland.

And, you're saying essentially all of your skill players are that fast - no way my friend, no way.

I agree that those SLC times can not be accurate. Todd Dodge would be the first to tell you so. As for sub 4.3 forties, they are very difficult to achieve and are usually mistakes. When I walked on at SWT when I was eighteen, I ran a 4.41 and 4.43 on the grass. I had been running times consistently between 4.35-4.39 in the weeks prior. However, the ground was not completely level and a friend was doing the clocking. When I was nineteen, I was clocked at a 4.26 on the track and a 4.29 on the grass, again I had a friend clocking. A week later I had an assistant track coach clock me at a 4.30 on the track and a 4.33 on the grass. Because of this I still won't make the claim that I ran a sub 4.3. By the way, I ran a 4.97 in August when I was sixteen, just before my junior season in high school. That next spring after track I ran a 4.63. A few months later (a week before my senior season) I was clocked at a 4.47. That's half a second in one year! Even though I worked my a** off to get faster, I honestly contribute this dramatic change to reaching a genetic potential a bit later than most young men. My father was a sprinter in college and knowing this made it even more frustrating having very average speed my first three years in high school.

Multiple concussions forced me out of football, but my biggest regret was not competing in the decathlon at the NCAA level. I walked away from a scholarship offer to do this at SWT. I had a high school buddy that was a decathlete at SWT and qualified for the NCAA regionals after winning the Southland Conference title as a freshman. I worked out with him so that he could stay competitive in preparation for regionals as the rest of the SWT team was done for the year. He finished fifth in regionals just missing the NCAA Championship. I dominated him in all the events, except the 400m (the death race), and the high jump (that white boy could jump, at 5'11" tall he could clear 7'!). My point is (for the young athletes) don't give up trying to improve your speed, and football is not the end all.

[Favpack]

Thanks for the insight Mav. Bottom line is - if all these SLC wr's (or any hs wr's) were running 4.3's with their hands and route-running - they'd all be starting at D1 schools their freshman years and making all conference their soph. years - that ain't happening. The times are not real - just bulletin board material brought on by urban legends.

[wide-e-wide]

Here we go again with fake 40 times. Reggie McNeal was timed this summer at 4.29 by pro scouts - twice. They ran him twice to make sure because sub 4.3's are usually mistakes - AT ANY LEVEL. This was a HUGE deal to Coach Fran - he found it almost hard to believe - thus, it made headlines for awhile at Aggieland.

And, you're saying essentially all of your skill players are that fast - no way my friend, no way.


Precisely what I was thinking Fav...if they had 3 different guys running 4.3's I think it would be more well known...I mean that would be in Sports Illustrated,on ESPN...and all 3 guys would be on Live with Regis and Kelly...
Of the three....maybe...MAYBE ...one of them can actually run a 4.3...

[bleedgreen]

Bleedgreen is faster than Wide........

[pack0808]

Do not make my bust out my 4.3 in the 10!!

That is what i thought Bleed!! ;)

[dada]

I think Wide can do a "40" quicker than all of us.

[PACK '97]

shotgunning right?

[wide-e-wide]

I think Wide can do a "40" quicker than all of us.


hahaha

OOOOOH ...that 40 time?
Yeah..based on that...I should have been at least top 5 on rivals list.

[dada]

shotgunning right?
Yep......or even the good old funnel

[dada]

hahaha

OOOOOH ...that 40 time?
Yeah..based on that...I should have been at least top 5 on rivals list.
Yeah...too bad you cant have relays in this type of race.....that backwash thing can literally make your time worse.

[wide-e-wide]

Yeah...too bad you cant have relays in this type of race.....that backwash thing can literally make your time worse.


I never share my 40's...never.

[LongTallTexan]

The problem with timing speed is how it is clocked. A time clocked by hand does nothing more than give you an idea of the speed. You can have three people standing right next to teach other with stopwatches, and get three different times. Reggie was clocked by NFL scouts ELECTRONICALLY, not by some coach with a stop watch. And unless my memory is failing me, he was actually clocked at 4.28 and 4.29 consecutively. Unless a kid from high school has been clocked electronically, posting his "40 times" is just silly.