Houston or DFW

[brad@sunshinepreps]

Which area do you guys think will when more state titles?

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Houston. period. end of discussion. You can go ahead close the thread KT.

[Purple Haze]

DFW..Just because Scooter said Houston! :D Can you say Southlake Carroll?? :cool: DFW in a close one IMHO.

[pack0808]

Which area do you guys think will when more state titles?


doesn't the dallas area have the current lead??

[RedRage00]

Dallas area in my opinion

[jtk1519]

The Dallas area has a giant lead and Houston will never catch up.

[LP-79]

Houston. period. end of discussion. You can go ahead close the thread KT.
I am going out on limb here. Houston and Dallas will not compare to East Texas this year. :eek:

[KT2000]

Dallas and I don't even think it's close unless I'm using fuzzy math.

[Red Raiders]

I am going out on limb here. Houston and Dallas will not compare to East Texas this year. :eek:

Thats right including alot of 3-5A and 4-5A school are awesome in football too. They just haven't looked at them.

[KT2000]

San Antonio area outmuscles Houston with championships as far as I know. It sure is a good thing we here in the GHA claimed Sealy (90s) and La Marque (90s, 00s) in the non-5A classifications otherwise we wouldn't even be in the discussion as far as the past 20 years are concerned.

In Class 5A...Yates (85), Aldine (90), Katy (97, 00, 03) and North Shore (03) are the only four programs to win state from the Houston area since 5A formed in 1980.

[Red Raiders]

San Antonio area outmuscles Houston with championships as far as I know. It sure is a good thing we here in the GHA claimed Sealy (90s) and La Marque (90s, 00s) in the non-5A classifications otherwise we wouldn't even be in the discussion as far as the past 20 years are concerned.

In Class 5A...Yates (85), Aldine (90), Katy (97, 00, 03) and North Shore (03) are the only four programs to win state from the Houston area since 5A formed in 1980.

How many East Texas win? 5,000?

[KT2000]

In 5A...Marshall (90), JT (94), Lufkin (01) and Lee (04) have won it. So, as many programs have won 5A titles from the Piney Woods as there have been from the greater Houston area. Not bad considering the enormous difference in population between GHA and Piney Woods.

[wide-e-wide]

How about state titles in all classifications?
I bet East Texas has that one as well.

[jtk1519]

How about state titles in all classifications?
I bet East Texas has that one as well.

I think the Dallas area wins that too, but it all depends on what you classify as the "Metroplex." Do you include Stephenville, Pilot Point and Celina? If so, that only adds to an already impressive total. SLC, Plano, Denton Ryan, Lewisville, Garland, Ennis, Celina, Stephenville... they all have multiple titles.

[farmerfan]

I think you have to include Celina and Pilot Point in DFW, those two town are only a few miles from Frisco and their it is non stop growth along Preston Road from Downtown all the way up to Celina.
DFW takes this thread hands down, in 5A alone Duncanville, FM Marcus, Plano (3) Lewisville (2) Garland, Lake Highlands, Mesquite, Carter (if you dont count the forfeit) and Carroll (2) have all claimed 5A titltes
In 4A Waxahachie, Ryan (2), Ennis (3), Stephenville (4), Grapevine (2), and many more could claim titles as well.
Recently East Texas has been the hotbed for the programs, but overall they still dont compete with the top programs in the metroplex, if they keep up this trend they will soon be considered the top spot for 5A programs.

[pack0808]

yeah east texas has had about an average of 6 teams in 5a while the dallas and houston area has a zillion teams. that is not fair to compare those like kt stated. since 90 5 of those 6 teams have made numerous state semi appearances, 5 or 6 final appearances and they have won 4 state championships in that same time span since 90. they have won 2 since 2001 and have been to 3 finals since 2000 and 4 since 97. not to bad for 5 little east texas teams.

[farmerfan]

Yes we all know East Texas only has about 5-6 teams playing, we all give them credit, but leave it to the East Texas fans to come on a topic about Dallas or Houston to spout off how great they have been, Dallas even with thier zillion teams, does not have the so called advantage that you guys think. Many of these teams do not have the luxury of coming from the one horse town where they can start learning the system early in Jr High, also the diversity in these schools is far different, yes they may have their 2800+ kid enrollments, but look at the ethnic makeup of a lot of these schools and these kids are far from football players. That said, and do not take it the wrong way, but why is it that every time a thread gets started that does not involve East Texas that someone from that region has to come on here and remind us that you guys are great and that Dallas or Houston is not because of the so called luxury we have with all our teams. Just look at Carroll, Garland, Mesquite, Trinity, Plano, Lewisville, those are six teams within a area closer to each other than the East Texas schools and a bulk of our 5A dominance and they have done way more than the East Texas programs have. I am not starting a flame here or a argument, God knows arguing between you guys and myself usually gets no where, I am just curious why it is you guys always come on here and take a topic that does not pretain to you guys and tell us how great East Texas has been, I dont see the West Texas fellas doing it, so why do you all?

[RedRage00]

Yes we all know East Texas only has about 5-6 teams playing, we all give them credit, but leave it to the East Texas fans to come on a topic about Dallas or Houston to spout off how great they have been, Dallas even with thier zillion teams, does not have the so called advantage that you guys think. Many of these teams do not have the luxury of coming from the one horse town where they can start learning the system early in Jr High, also the diversity in these schools is far different, yes they may have their 2800+ kid enrollments, but look at the ethnic makeup of a lot of these schools and these kids are far from football players. That said, and do not take it the wrong way, but why is it that every time a thread gets started that does not involve East Texas that someone from that region has to come on here and remind us that you guys are great and that Dallas or Houston is not because of the so called luxury we have with all our teams. Just look at Carroll, Garland, Mesquite, Trinity, Plano, Lewisville, those are six teams within a area closer to each other than the East Texas schools and a bulk of our 5A dominance and they have done way more than the East Texas programs have. I am not starting a flame here or a argument, God knows arguing between you guys and myself usually gets no where, I am just curious why it is you guys always come on here and take a topic that does not pretain to you guys and tell us how great East Texas has been, I dont see the West Texas fellas doing it, so why do you all?

Because this board is filled with East Tx people (mostly Lufkin) :p

[Red Raiders]

In 5A...Marshall (90), JT (94), Lufkin (01) and Lee (04) have won it. So, as many programs have won 5A titles from the Piney Woods as there have been from the greater Houston area. Not bad considering the enormous difference in population between GHA and Piney Woods.

John Tyler won in 73' when Earl Campbell was playing and another state in 1930 (I forgot).

[jrdaniel]

Yes we all know East Texas only has about 5-6 teams playing, we all give them credit, but leave it to the East Texas fans to come on a topic about Dallas or Houston to spout off how great they have been, Dallas even with thier zillion teams, does not have the so called advantage that you guys think. Many of these teams do not have the luxury of coming from the one horse town where they can start learning the system early in Jr High, also the diversity in these schools is far different, yes they may have their 2800+ kid enrollments, but look at the ethnic makeup of a lot of these schools and these kids are far from football players. That said, and do not take it the wrong way, but why is it that every time a thread gets started that does not involve East Texas that someone from that region has to come on here and remind us that you guys are great and that Dallas or Houston is not because of the so called luxury we have with all our teams. Just look at Carroll, Garland, Mesquite, Trinity, Plano, Lewisville, those are six teams within a area closer to each other than the East Texas schools and a bulk of our 5A dominance and they have done way more than the East Texas programs have. I am not starting a flame here or a argument, God knows arguing between you guys and myself usually gets no where, I am just curious why it is you guys always come on here and take a topic that does not pretain to you guys and tell us how great East Texas has been, I dont see the West Texas fellas doing it, so why do you all?
ditto

Was ABOUT to post a reply saying I thought SA had a better record than Houston myself, but then re-read the original topic.

Which area do you guys think will when more state titles?

Dallas has won the most, but I see Houston trying to even that over future years. It looks like good coaching has been or is being put in places that previously just had great talent. Now those perennial late round losers are getting more shots at the title.

[DrEdward]

The DFW metroplex wins this rivalry hands down. Especially true if one considers Pilot Point, Celina and Stephenville.

[farmerfan]

You have to consider Pilot Point and Celina, GA recieved the bulk of his stars from McKinney, Frisco and Plano :D

All joking aside, Stephenville is only 30 miles from FT Worth, but many could also consider them to be more West Texas, I would think that Stphenville as well as Celina and PP are as close to FT Worth/Dallas as Sealy and La Marque are to Houston.

[wide-e-wide]

farmer....don't hate.
I think the Dallas area gets plenty of pub.
So don't start on your East Texas fans spewin' this and that...
gimme a break.

[farmerfan]

widey
On a topic that did not mention the words East Texas in it, a fellow lufkinte comes on here and has to mention East Texas, once that happens it opens the flood gates to inform us all on how great east Texas is. All we hear about is East this and East that and how we have such a big advantage on our population and number of schools. Hardly if ever do some of the east Texas posters credit other areas of the state. Dont know where I am hating, and I see you are bringing a topic over from the college message board over here. Show me where I am hating on East Texas? As far as I know this topic had nothing to do with East Texas, but asked a question of which metro area is better, not if Dallas or Houston plays the best football, we have many topics on how the best is played in the Eastern portion of the state but do any other posters get on there to dispute it, no. Leave it to some of the fans from East Texas to spout off on other forums how great they are, in essence, it gets old.

[wide-e-wide]

How many years went by when the East Texas teams got
little to no recognition? That's why there are so many of us
telling you about the greatness that is East Texas football.
(sarcasm)
Again stop hatin'...
In case you haven't noticed you are out-numbered.

It's not us taking a shot at the Metroplex or Houston.
It's just us finally having a voice.

[farmerfan]

maybe finally having a voice because of the production that comes with it.
After Marshall won a state title in 90, it took till 94 with JT, then it took till 01 with Lufkin and this past year with Tyler Lee. If you took the 6 programs that I mentioned who are all in a closer proximity than the East Texas schools, you will see from even 1990 onward that your schools out there do not compare with those programs. This is a topic that mentions the entireity of the 5A division, as great as East Texas has been over the last 4 years, those programs still would have a hard time being considered with what the likes of a Plano, Lewisville, Garland, Carroll, or even a Trinity have done. I would take the DFW area over any region in the state with the exception of West Texas as far as the most storied programs are concerned.
I might be outnumbered as far as posters go, but I would have a hard time believing that any of you out there could poise a agrument to dispute me.

[wide-e-wide]

I guess it depends on where that argument took place.

[farmerfan]

im up anytime, name a place and I would love to engage in some college and hs football talk, and some other sports.
Btw, Mike Scott was not overrated, he was as nasty as they came.

[wide-e-wide]

Yeah the sandpaper on his fingertips was as nasty
as they come. Mr. Scuff-ball himself. I saw the pictures of
the balls...he was cheatin' dude...

I'm in Waco...and sometimes Lufkin...so you name the place.
I'll even buy the first two rounds. Sounds like fun...seriously.

[farmerfan]

anytime, anyplace Im ready; bring it on, I would love to shut someone up from a region that thinks it is mortal.

[wide-e-wide]

mortal or immortal?
Your off to a bad start farmer...

[farmerfan]

round 1 you got me, other than that as I said, bring it on, from what I have read, I have a pretty good feeling you dont know as much as you claim to.

[myround0]

hate all you like...East Texas brings the bacon every game, and if it were not for the crappy set-up Lufkin and Longview would have played in the finals this year, Tyler Lee won a state title this year, Marshall Played a finals game this year, as did, Kilgore, and Gilmer, and they won. You look at the other East Texas teams they beat along the way. Say what you like, but the spot (East Texas) is hot. And oh yea, we Crushed both metroplexes (if that is even a word) in every class this year. Put Lufkin Longview, Lee, and John Tyler back together then add SouthLake, Dallas Jesuit, Denton Ryan, Plano, Then tell about how Carroll has won like 48 of a possible 49 games.

[GTown02]

hate all you like...East Texas brings the bacon every game, and if it were not for the crappy set-up Lufkin and Longview would have played in the finals this year, Tyler Lee won a state title this year, Marshall Played a finals game this year, as did, Kilgore, and Gilmer, and they won. You look at the other East Texas teams they beat along the way. Say what you like, but the spot (East Texas) is hot. And oh yea, we Crushed both metroplexes (if that is even a word) in every class this year. Put Lufkin Longview, Lee, and John Tyler back together then add SouthLake, Dallas Jesuit, Denton Ryan, Plano, Then tell about how Carroll has won like 48 of a possible 49 games.

Nobody is disputing the fact that East Texas has great teams... this thread was started about which metroplex has won more titles, not which area of the state is the best...

[RGVBadBoy]

What about Houston, with LaMarqe and alot of the other East Texas cities, DFW has Denton Ryan and Ennis though, its kinda a toss up, but Texas City, Bay City and some of those other teams are pretty good and have Titles as well..

[drgnbkr]

hate all you like...East Texas brings the bacon every game, and if it were not for the crappy set-up Lufkin and Longview would have played in the finals this year, Tyler Lee won a state title this year, Marshall Played a finals game this year, as did, Kilgore, and Gilmer, and they won. You look at the other East Texas teams they beat along the way. Say what you like, but the spot (East Texas) is hot. And oh yea, we Crushed both metroplexes (if that is even a word) in every class this year. Put Lufkin Longview, Lee, and John Tyler back together then add SouthLake, Dallas Jesuit, Denton Ryan, Plano, Then tell about how Carroll has won like 48 of a possible 49 games.

What is your point? Who crushed both Metroplex's? It's great to spew, but it's even better when you have a point.... :confused:

[SLC-Dad]

........if it were not for the crappy set-up Lufkin and Longview would have played in the finals this year........

Not sure how you figure the setup (brackets) hosed your teams, but bottomline Longview and Lufkin had their chances to be in the finals and they didn't take care of business. Maybe 2005 will be different........good luck to all the East TX teams!!

[SLC-Dad]

.......Put Lufkin Longview, Lee, and John Tyler back together then add SouthLake, Dallas Jesuit, Denton Ryan, Plano, Then tell about how Carroll has won like 48 of a possible 49 games.

If you were trying to put together a Super District that would inflict multiple losses on SLC last year, I'm not sure why you included JT, Plano and Jesuit.

In any event, I would have been more than happy to "go to war" in that district with the 2004 Dragons and let the chips fall where they may........ :) :)

[myround0]

It is not like John Tyler or Plano hasn't beaten some of the state's best team. The Lions and the Wildcats are going through some things. It happens to all teams, when there are multiple High Schools in the area. Plano and John Tyler will no doubt resurface. As for the private school, remember DeLasalle and Evangel didn't happen over night.

[drgnbkr]

No, it took DLS & Evangel a while to get the recruiting thing figured out...I think Jesuit will catch on a lot quicker, as they don't have to play by the same rules as the rest of the UIL schools.... :rolleyes:

[farmerfan]

East Texas had their chance, Lufkin got beat when they played against Carroll and Marshall got beat against Ennis. Kilgore and Dallas Lincoln played in one memorable state title game that along with the other two could have gone either way. So Im not seeing where the crushing occured. Also please tell me where I or anyone else is hating on East Texas?

[stevefoxsc]

It is not like John Tyler or Plano hasn't beaten some of the state's best team. The Lions and the Wildcats are going through some things. It happens to all teams, when there are multiple High Schools in the area. Plano and John Tyler will no doubt resurface. As for the private school, remember DeLasalle and Evangel didn't happen over night.
yea look at them programs evan was still taken down by long view year in and year out... and to stay on topic Dallas vs Houston excluding east texas west texas central panhandle or what ever, its dallas hands down and if we add east west north south tx its still the metroplex herd of a place called slc that handles there business

[CoppellCowboy57]

Dallas by far...enough said..