2006 Trinity vs 2007 SLC

[TheScout]

I was just comparing the demise of each team and each had weird similarities. Trinity vs SLC (2006), SLC vs Abilene (2007)


Games were played at the same field:

Texas Stadium

Scores were the same:

22-21, Each team lost by the same score

Both schools played without their best player which COULD have affected the outcome:

-Trinity played without their best RB: Shannon Moore (2006)
-SLC played without their best QB : Riley Dodge (2007)

Both games were decided by a special teams blunder:

-Trinity's fake punt didn't work (2006)
-SLC botched the winning FG (2007)


I'm not trying to offend anyone with this thread. Im not saying either team would win in a match-up. I just made some observations. But clearly, the players missing in these games, and the decisions made in each, Probably cost each team another title.

[hollywood]

I was just comparing the demise of each team and each had weird similarities. Trinity vs SLC (2006), SLC vs Abilene (2007)


Games were played at the same field:

Texas Stadium

Scores were the same:

22-21 Score of each game

Both schools played without their best player which COULD have affected the outcome:

-Trinity played without their best RB: Shannon Moore (2006)
-SLC played without their best QB : Riley Dodge (2007)

Both games were decided by a special teams blunder:

-Trinity's fake punt didn't work (2006)
-SLC botched the winning FG (2007)


I'm not trying to offend anyone with this thread. Im not saying either team would win in a match-up. I just made some observations. But clearly, the players missing in these games, and the decisions made in each, Probably cost each team another title.


One big difference I see is that the Trinity - SLC game was a battle the whole way.

In the 2007 SLC - Abilene game, SLC was actually on their way to a commanding lead as Dodge was injured. Folks will argue this but basically SLC was started to really roll. The injury turned the game around.

[TheScout]

One big difference I see is that the Trinity - SLC game was a battle the whole way.

In the 2007 SLC - Abilene game, SLC was actually on their way to a commanding lead as Dodge was injured. Folks will argue this but basically SLC was started to really roll. The injury turned the game around.

True Dat:notworthy

[TheScout]

I would have like to have seen Shannon Moore play against SLC in 2006. He had to sit out the playoffs due to injury. It hurt to lose our best back.

[hollywood]

I would have like to have seen Shannon Moore play against SLC in 2006. He had to sit out the playoffs due to injury. It hurt to lose our best back.

Yes. However Justice Campbell had a huge day. I believe he busted up the middle for 72 yards to the house on one of his runs. Folks assumed he was "slow" because he was a such a load. But he out ran everyone. I understand he was being chased from behind because he blew out of there like the proverbial shot from a canon and the DBs had to take a pursuit angle. But they did have 3/4 of the field to track him down and was well gone.

[TheScout]

ya that was on the first series of the second half. It was a great run

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Yes. However Justice Campbell had a huge day. I believe he busted up the middle for 72 yards to the house on one of his runs. Folks assumed he was "slow" because he was a such a load. But he out ran everyone. I understand he was being chased from behind because he blew out of there like the proverbial shot from a canon and the DBs had to take a pursuit angle. But they did have 3/4 of the field to track him down and was well gone.

Are either of Campbell/Moore playing in college? If so, where?

[SLC93]

Interesting comparison, one I hadn't really thought about. Both great games, regardless of outcome. Cambell was a load. Believe it or not, I'd have like to see Moore play, too. I hadn't had the chance to see him live that season so the injury took that away from me.

[twcpfan1]

Farmer will be hitting this thread soon.

[trojan25]

Yes. However Justice Campbell had a huge day. I believe he busted up the middle for 72 yards to the house on one of his runs. Folks assumed he was "slow" because he was a such a load. But he out ran everyone. I understand he was being chased from behind because he blew out of there like the proverbial shot from a canon and the DBs had to take a pursuit angle. But they did have 3/4 of the field to track him down and was well gone.

While Justise did have a big day, a look at the total carries for the two RBs that year reveals a problem.

Shannon/Justise

30/0
13/16
11/14
15/19
17/0
14/16
14/10
19/9
4/11
5/13
0/22
0/31

As you can see, taking out the 2 games he missed, Justise averaged 13.5 carries per game. In the playoffs, he had 22 against Martin, then 31 against SLC.

Where that had an impact was on Trinity's final series. Campbell ran for 3 yards on first down. Sensing his back was gassed, Lineweaver chose to pass on 2nd and 3rd down, both incomplete. Not only did they not get the necessary yardage, they also stopped the clock twice, in a game where the winning TD came with only seconds to play.

Would it have been different? Who knows? But Trinity had lived all year on the concept of "fresh legs" and with a rested back, Lineweaver probably runs the ball in that situation.

Interesting comparison in the first post though, and it only points out how much good fortune plays in a championship season. Even in Trinity's first title year, they were on a collision course with two tough, undefeated teams. Both lost QBs in the playoffs and went down before they could face the Trojans.

[THSBandDad]

As I was not in town and missed the '06 game at TS, what scoring occurred for both sides in the SLC-Trinity game AFTER the THS Band got there?

Someone pointed out that the only losses in '06 and '07 were when the band wasn't there for the whole game (SLC '06, OP '07). I "believe" that THS outscored SLC once the band arrived.

Obviously, no effect on the field of play, but one of those superstitious things to take note of. Just file that fact in the "grassy knoll" department. :D

[THSBandDad]

While Justise did have a big day, a look at the total carries for the two RBs that year reveals a problem.

Shannon/Justise

30/0
13/16
11/14
15/19
17/0
14/16
14/10
19/9
4/11
5/13
0/22
0/31

As you can see, taking out the 2 games he missed, Justise averaged 13.5 carries per game. In the playoffs, he had 22 against Martin, then 31 against SLC.

Where that had an impact was on Trinity's final series. Campbell ran for 3 yards on first down. Sensing his back was gassed, Lineweaver chose to pass on 2nd and 3rd down, both incomplete. Not only did they not get the necessary yardage, they also stopped the clock twice, in a game where the winning TD came with only seconds to play.

Would it have been different? Who knows? But Trinity had lived all year on the concept of "fresh legs" and with a rested back, Lineweaver probably runs the ball in that situation.

Interesting comparison in the first post though, and it only points out how much good fortune plays in a championship season. Even in Trinity's first title year, they were on a collision course with two tough, undefeated teams. Both lost QBs in the playoffs and went down before they could face the Trojans.

Have you got any yardage figures to go with the number of carries numbers?

[TrojanMom28]

Yes. However Justice Campbell had a huge day. I believe he busted up the middle for 72 yards to the house on one of his runs. Folks assumed he was "slow" because he was a such a load. But he out ran everyone. I understand he was being chased from behind because he blew out of there like the proverbial shot from a canon and the DBs had to take a pursuit angle. But they did have 3/4 of the field to track him down and was well gone.
OMG...what a run!:eek::eek:

[TrojanMom28]

ya that was on the first series of the second half. It was a great run
I think that run occurred with about 9 minutes left in the game. We went up 21-16, kicked off, held got the ball , the turned it back over with the "that play" with about 2:30 left. I could be wrong, anybody else remember?

[SLC93]

OMG...what a run!:eek::eek:

No doubt.

[DragonFan0316]

SLC, Trinity and AHS. Three great programs. This is why I feel blessed to live in Texas. High School Football!!

[SLC]

This is by far the greatest game I've ever had the privilege of watching....

2 class teams... 2 class coaches... 2 sets of classy fans... WOW..:notworthy


It's a shame someone had to lose...

[Stuck_In_The_Middle]

I would add one more similarity between the games, in both cases the best team THAT DAY did not win the ball game. I was at both games and can remember thinking A. that I had witnessed the best game in HS Football that I had ever had the opportunity to in the Trinity v. SLC game B. I felt "ripped off" when Riley went down in the Abilene v SLC game.

[trojan25]

Yardage figures:

Shannon/Justise

30-218/0-0
13-76/16-56
11-73/14-102
15-175/19-94
17-156/0-0
14-101/16-113
14-105/10-66
19-129/9-115
4-58/11-87
5-19/13-184
0-0/22-226
0-0/31-202

Totals: Shannon Moore 142-1,110/Justise Campbell 161-1,245

[SLCfan2407]

I think that run occurred with about 9 minutes left in the game. We went up 21-16, kicked off, held got the ball , the turned it back over with the "that play" with about 2:30 left. I could be wrong, anybody else remember?

No mam I believe it was towards the end of the third quarter...but I am not for sure.

[DragonFan0316]

This is by far the greatest game I've ever had the privilege of watching....

2 class teams... 2 class coaches... 2 sets of classy fans... WOW..:notworthy


It's a shame someone had to lose...

Roger that!:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[hollywood]

While Justise did have a big day, a look at the total carries for the two RBs that year reveals a problem.

Shannon/Justise

30/0
13/16
11/14
15/19
17/0
14/16
14/10
19/9
4/11
5/13
0/22
0/31

As you can see, taking out the 2 games he missed, Justise averaged 13.5 carries per game. In the playoffs, he had 22 against Martin, then 31 against SLC.

Where that had an impact was on Trinity's final series. Campbell ran for 3 yards on first down. Sensing his back was gassed, Lineweaver chose to pass on 2nd and 3rd down, both incomplete. Not only did they not get the necessary yardage, they also stopped the clock twice, in a game where the winning TD came with only seconds to play.

Would it have been different? Who knows? But Trinity had lived all year on the concept of "fresh legs" and with a rested back, Lineweaver probably runs the ball in that situation.

Interesting comparison in the first post though, and it only points out how much good fortune plays in a championship season. Even in Trinity's first title year, they were on a collision course with two tough, undefeated teams. Both lost QBs in the playoffs and went down before they could face the Trojans.

Good stuff. Yes the combo of Justise and Shannon was very good. They could both go full out.

[TheScout]

I appreciate all of the different views on this thread. Things I have never thought of. Great job:notworthy

[hollywood]

This is by far the greatest game I've ever had the privilege of watching....

2 class teams... 2 class coaches... 2 sets of classy fans... WOW..:notworthy


It's a shame someone had to lose...

Best game ever for me.

The two teams were evenly matched, but with much different styles. Unforgettable.

[DragonFan0316]

Best game ever for me.

The two teams were evenly matched, but with much different styles. Unforgettable.

Agree!

[TheScout]

It's amazing how many people went to that game. I don't care what the official numbers were, they were wrong. There was more than 50,000 fans. Heck that beats some bad NFL teams.

[Stuck_In_The_Middle]

It's amazing how many people went to that game. I don't care what the official numbers were, they were wrong. There was more than 50,000 fans. Heck that beats some bad NFL teams.


I know the lower bowl was packed tight. If I recall correctly, the upper side was at least half full. I might be wrong about the topside but I am certain about the lower bowl. I sat on the Trinity side close to the "Lady with the Log".

[hollywood]

I know the lower bowl was packed tight. If I recall correctly, the upper side was at least half full. I might be wrong about the topside but I am certain about the lower bowl. I sat on the Trinity side close to the "Lady with the Log".

You are correct that the upper deck area was filling up through the 3rd and 4th quarter. You stood for most of the game however.

[LAHawk]

I was fortunate to witness both of these games as Hebron was the next game on the docket both times. What I remember most from the Trinity/SLC game was just the pure excitement of the crowd and the unbelievable atmosphere at TS. The ebb and flow of the game was amazing. I was sitting with some Trinity fans and, of course, up until two and a half minutes left they were just going crazy. But after the "play", you could have heard a pin drop in our area.

As a true fan of HS football, and being able to just be a football fan for those two games without any allegiance, I'd say thay have to rank as two of the top three games I've seen. The best game that I've seen where I had a rooting interest in was the Hebron/Desoto 4OT thriller last year.

[drgnbkr]

I was fortunate to witness both of these games as Hebron was the next game on the docket both times. What I remember most from the Trinity/SLC game was just the pure excitement of the crowd and the unbelievable atmosphere at TS. The ebb and flow of the game was amazing. I was sitting with some Trinity fans and, of course, up until two and a half minutes left they were just going crazy. But after the "play", you could have heard a pin drop in our area.

As a true fan of HS football, and being able to just be a football fan for those two games without any allegiance, I'd say thay have to rank as two of the top three games I've seen. The best game that I've seen where I had a rooting interest in was the Hebron/Desoto 4OT thriller last year.

Everyone talks about the fake punt, but Carroll still had to score on one tough defense, that had only given up 16 points to a very potent Carroll offense all day...When Riley ducked in to the end zone, I could finally take a breath. And Riley goes to the sideline in a fog asking who he threw the pass too!:D

[TheScout]

Everyone talks about the fake punt, but Carroll still had to score on one tough defense, that had only given up 16 points to a very potent Carroll offense all day...When Riley ducked in to the end zone, I could finally take a breath. And Riley goes to the sideline in a fog asking who he threw the pass too!:D

ya but getting the ball on the 37 I'm sure helped that a little bit.

[hollywood]

ya but getting the ball on the 37 I'm sure helped that a little bit.

Maybe but we don't know for sure that SLC would not have scored even with the punt. If the fake was made Lineweaver would have been an even greater legend than he is now. Hey, you can agree or not with the call. But wow that was gutsy.

Ok, ok, sorry to start arguing that old thing again. It is definitely a reason why this game was the classic that it was. We can still discuss a decision that he had to make under pressure and it become heated. Yes the safe thing to do was punt. I can tell you from my angle the play just seemed to be in slow motion and SLC reacted very well to it. He could have punted and then stood on the merits of his defense. However that defense was up against a great offense. If I ever perfect a time machine the second thing I will do is go back in time and see what can be done to get him to make the opposite decision ...

[TrojanHorse03]

ya but getting the ball on the 37 I'm sure helped that a little bit.

"... that would be like calling Amy Winehouse "troubled" or Isiah Thomas "embattled." It's too big of an understatement."-Bill Simmons

[powerofthehaka]

ya but getting the ball on the 37 I'm sure helped that a little bit.

http://www.betadaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/beating-a-dead-horse.jpg

[THSBandDad]

http://www.betadaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/beating-a-dead-horse.jpg


LOVE IT!!! :notworthy

[hollywood]

http://www.betadaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/beating-a-dead-horse.jpg


HA, HA, HA, HA ..... :notworthy

[SLC]

ya but getting the ball on the 37 I'm sure helped that a little bit.


Any time you make a decision like that and fail it hurts... No one knows if Trinity had kicked the ball instead of trying a risky play what would have happened... Carroll could have drove the field and scored or they could have thrown an interception, or turned the ball over on downs..or...or..or. We will never know, because Lineweaver chose to bank the game on his offense, instead of his defense.. He tried to accomplish 2 things with the fake punt.. 1. he didnt want to put the ball in the hands of Riley Dodge and that offense. And 2. He didnt want to put his tired defense back out there. There is no doubt that Trinity had every chance to make the play, but Carroll was heads up to stop the fake, even with 2 players back to recieve the punt.. So the numbers at the line of scrimage favored Trinity... Again, just a heads up play by the Dragons, and a TD to seal the deal.

[FeeltheHaka]

Yes. However Justice Campbell had a huge day. I believe he busted up the middle for 72 yards to the house on one of his runs. Folks assumed he was "slow" because he was a such a load. But he out ran everyone. I understand he was being chased from behind because he blew out of there like the proverbial shot from a canon and the DBs had to take a pursuit angle. But they did have 3/4 of the field to track him down and was well gone.

Justice was fast! He still has the school record for the Shuttle. He ran a legit 4.5 40. He is a relative of Earl Campbell. Runs just like him. He is currently playing for Cisco Junior College. He is a very extremely nice kid.

[TheScout]

Justice was fast! He still has the school record for the Shuttle. He ran a legit 4.5 40. He is a relative of Earl Campbell. Runs just like him. He is currently playing for Cisco Junior College. He is a very extremely nice kid.

That guy was a load. 4.5?:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[TrojanHorse03]

Any time you make a decision like that and fail it hurts... No one knows if Trinity had kicked the ball instead of trying a risky play what would have happened... Carroll could have drove the field and scored or they could have thrown an interception, or turned the ball over on downs..or...or..or. We will never know, because Lineweaver chose to bank the game on his offense, instead of his defense.. He tried to accomplish 2 things with the fake punt.. 1. he didnt want to put the ball in the hands of Riley Dodge and that offense. And 2. He didnt want to put his tired defense back out there. There is no doubt that Trinity had every chance to make the play, but Carroll was heads up to stop the fake, even with 2 players back to recieve the punt.. So the numbers at the line of scrimage favored Trinity... Again, just a heads up play by the Dragons, and a TD to seal the deal.

The defense wasn't tired, they were naturally deflated by that turn of events. Lineweaver made that call because he'd been in that position before against Lufkin. If you give the ball to a good offense that late in the game even if they have to drive what he was concerned about was either some bogus penalties extended the drive late in the game and/or of course the possibility that's been stated Southlake scoring outright with not much time remaining. IMO the Trinity D had been the best unit in the game and he should of made Southlake go the 80 and and in hindsight Coach Lineweaver would have to. Doesn't change at all my love for Coach Lineweaver, nor is it something I dwell on but I think all non-Southlake fans would of liked to have seen if Southlake could have made a 60-80 yard drive instead of 37 :eek:. Understandbly I have never, even seen a Southlake fan, not even one disagree with the call, and if I was in their position I wouldn't either.

[DrEdward]

The defense wasn't tired, they were naturally deflated by that turn of events. Lineweaver made that call because he'd been in that position before against Lufkin. If you give the ball to a good offense that late in the game even if they have to drive what he was concerned about was either some bogus penalties extended the drive late in the game and/or of course the possibility that's been stated Southlake scoring outright with not much time remaining. IMO the Trinity D had been the best unit in the game and he should of made Southlake go the 80 and and in hindsight Coach Lineweaver would have to. Doesn't change at all my love for Coach Lineweaver, nor is it something I dwell on but I think all non-Southlake fans would of liked to have seen if Southlake could have made a 60-80 yard drive instead of 37 :eek:. Understandbly I have never, even seen a Southlake fan, not even one disagree with the call, and if I was in their position I wouldn't either.

In retrospect, any objective Carroll fan would certainly acknowledge that Trinity should have punted. But hindsight is a wonderful thing. Of course, Carroll might have blocked the punt; the ball might have been mishandled on the snap and Carroll fans can certainly relate to that. Carroll could have fielded the punt and run in back for a TD right away. So there is no telling what might have happened. The punt could have gone off as normal and Carroll might have gone 75 yards to score, as it certainly had happened previously that season in about the same time as it took them to go 37 yards with the offense that was on the field.

In any event, the Carroll-Trinity game is, I believe, an outstanding reason why these two teams (or others similarly placed) should meet in the playoffs, not in a regular season game. Just makes the games more special, even if they are less frequent.

[the_phoenix612]

In retrospect, any objective Carroll fan would certainly acknowledge that Trinity should have punted. But hindsight is a wonderful thing. Of course, Carroll might have blocked the punt; the ball might have been mishandled on the snap and Carroll fans can certainly relate to that. Carroll could have fielded the punt and run in back for a TD right away. So there is no telling what might have happened. The punt could have gone off as normal and Carroll might have gone 75 yards to score, as it certainly had happened previously that season in about the same time as it took them to go 37 yards with the offense that was on the field.

In any event, the Carroll-Trinity game is, I believe, an outstanding reason why these two teams (or others similarly placed) should meet in the playoffs, not in a regular season game. Just makes the games more special, even if they are less frequent.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[THSBandDad]

In retrospect, any objective Carroll fan would certainly acknowledge that Trinity should have punted. But hindsight is a wonderful thing. Of course, Carroll might have blocked the punt; the ball might have been mishandled on the snap and Carroll fans can certainly relate to that. Carroll could have fielded the punt and run in back for a TD right away. So there is no telling what might have happened. The punt could have gone off as normal and Carroll might have gone 75 yards to score, as it certainly had happened previously that season in about the same time as it took them to go 37 yards with the offense that was on the field.

In any event, the Carroll-Trinity game is, I believe, an outstanding reason why these two teams (or others similarly placed) should meet in the playoffs, not in a regular season game. Just makes the games more special, even if they are less frequent.

But I don't think SLC had been moving the ball all that well in THIS game, right? They had only been able to put up what, 15 points up until "the play".
I don't fault Lineweaver for making the call. If it had worked, he'd have been hailed as making the greatest call in the history of TX HS football (well, maybe not THE greatest). As it turned out, it didn't and a few people "blame" him for the loss (not me).

[slcdragonfan]

But I don't think SLC had been moving the ball all that well in THIS game, right? They had only been able to put up what, 15 points up until "the play".
I don't fault Lineweaver for making the call. If it had worked, he'd have been hailed as making the greatest call in the history of TX HS football (well, maybe not THE greatest). As it turned out, it didn't and a few people "blame" him for the loss (not me).

I guess they blame him for the state championships as well?;)

[SC606]

I know the lower bowl was packed tight. If I recall correctly, the upper side was at least half full. I might be wrong about the topside but I am certain about the lower bowl. I sat on the Trinity side close to the "Lady with the Log".

Here's a 10 second YouTube view of the stadium--judge for yourself, but it looks pretty near capacity to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu5_YBr2Njs

[THSBandDad]

I guess they blame him for the state championships as well?;)

Well, if you're going to blame him for the losses, I supposed you have to blame him for all the wins also, right?

I really don't recall ever seeing Coach Lineweaver tackle anyone on the field, block a pass, or run for a TD. He obviously has impact on what happens on the field, as does every coach, but it is still a team sport and TEAMS win championships. To me, teams include players, coaches, trainers, etc.

"Team" is what Trinity is about. How often do you see any ONE of their players named among the best at any position?

[Trojanman96]

What's disturbing is I even still run into some SLC fans at playoff games and they jab me with jokes about the punt. I mean grown men. I was sitting with a man in his 50's last year and every time the other team punted, he said, " Oh look. They know how to punt" or " Hmmm, they seem smart. They don't fake punt." For the most part SLC fans are really nice and know how fortunate either team would have been to get the victory. But there are still a few that tell me, "We kicked your :Censor:, we kicked your :Censor: . You suck." So sometimes I get the feeling SLC as a general community secretly think that Trinity was fortunate to only lose by 1. When in reality Trinity left points all over the field. Including a FG in the first half from the 5 yardline. Instead they go for the TD, but the rb slipped. A wide open receiver in the endzone, but our qb threw WAY over his head. I know it's in the past, but I'm tired of hearing from SLC fans (not on this board) how much they think Trinity was lucky to even be in the game. When if they had score those 10 points, they would have punted and possibly won 31-16. But they didn't and they lost. I guess I'll just have to remind them next time injuries are a part of the game and they got "whipped by Abilene" and see if they like the tables turned.

[TheScout]

What's disturbing is I even still run into some SLC fans at playoff games and they jab me with jokes about the punt. I mean grown men. I was sitting with a man in his 50's last year and every time the other team punted, he said, " Oh look. They know how to punt" or " Hmmm, they seem smart. They don't fake punt." For the most part SLC fans are really nice and know how fortunate either team would have been to get the victory. But there are still a few that tell me, "We kicked your :Censor:, we kicked your :Censor: . You suck." So sometimes I get the feeling SLC as a general community secretly think that Trinity was fortunate to only lose by 1. When in reality Trinity left points all over the field. Including a FG in the first half from the 5 yardline. Instead they go for the TD, but the rb slipped. A wide open receiver in the endzone, but our qb threw WAY over his head. I know it's in the past, but I'm tired of hearing from SLC fans (not on this board) how much they think Trinity was lucky to even be in the game. When if they had score those 10 points, they would have punted and possibly won 31-16. But they didn't and they lost. I guess I'll just have to remind them next time injuries are a part of the game and they got "whipped by Abilene" and see if they like the tables turned.

Like you said, it's in the past. There will always be some immature fans from either team, and will be delusional about the outcome. I know Trinity left points on the field, but Lineweaver figured it would be a shootout and went for the TD instead of the FG in the first half. Had that situation come up in the second half I'm sure he would take the 3 points and the win. If he would've known that kicking the FG in the first half from the 5 would have actually won the game in the end, he would have done it. But let's worry about this year.

[Trojanman96]

Like you said, it's in the past. There will always be some immature fans from either team, and will be delusional about the outcome. I know Trinity left points on the field, but Lineweaver figured it would be a shootout and went for the TD instead of the FG in the first half. Had that situation come up in the second half I'm sure he would take the 3 points and the win. If he would've known that kicking the FG in the first half from the 5 would have actually won the game in the end, he would have done it. But let's worry about this year.

I understand that but SLC fans always point to the Abilene game as "we would have won had Riley not gone down" but in reality I think Trinity wins the game against SLC had their best rb, Moore been there. Campbell would not have tired and They would have ran all over SLC. If SLC can use the Riley Dodge excuse, then Trinity has every right to use the Moore excuse. There is no difference.

[TheScout]

I see your point, but no crying over spilled milk now. ;) On to NW

[slcdragonfan]

What's disturbing is I even still run into some SLC fans at playoff games and they jab me with jokes about the punt. I mean grown men. I was sitting with a man in his 50's last year and every time the other team punted, he said, " Oh look. They know how to punt" or " Hmmm, they seem smart. They don't fake punt." For the most part SLC fans are really nice and know how fortunate either team would have been to get the victory. But there are still a few that tell me, "We kicked your :Censor:, we kicked your :Censor: . You suck." So sometimes I get the feeling SLC as a general community secretly think that Trinity was fortunate to only lose by 1. When in reality Trinity left points all over the field. Including a FG in the first half from the 5 yardline. Instead they go for the TD, but the rb slipped. A wide open receiver in the endzone, but our qb threw WAY over his head. I know it's in the past, but I'm tired of hearing from SLC fans (not on this board) how much they think Trinity was lucky to even be in the game. When if they had score those 10 points, they would have punted and possibly won 31-16. But they didn't and they lost. I guess I'll just have to remind them next time injuries are a part of the game and they got "whipped by Abilene" and see if they like the tables turned.

Never judge the tree by a few apples. And, hate to give ammunition here, but if you ever hear that again perhaps you could mention that SLC might do well with special teams ball handling. We all talk about Riley blah blah blah in the Abilene game, but we still win with him out IF WE HANDLE A SNAP instead of fumbling. We came within one SNAP of winning the Coppell game, last 3 seconds, ball slips away from the holder.

We can what if this to death and I am sure for the offseason it will be brought up again. As far as what points were left on the field? You and I both know it doesn't matter now. Too late. We had an int in the end zone against MNW. Complete that and who knows. We had a snap over the punters head in the MNW game, gave 'em two points. Take that away and who knows? We had and int in the endzone agains Coppell, take that away and....well, you know.

Most knowledgeable fans in SLC respect the football that is played at Trinity. For those with no manners, recognize that we have received the same from folks as well.

[drgnbkr]

What's disturbing is I even still run into some SLC fans at playoff games and they jab me with jokes about the punt. I mean grown men. I was sitting with a man in his 50's last year and every time the other team punted, he said, " Oh look. They know how to punt" or " Hmmm, they seem smart. They don't fake punt." For the most part SLC fans are really nice and know how fortunate either team would have been to get the victory. But there are still a few that tell me, "We kicked your :Censor:, we kicked your :Censor: . You suck." So sometimes I get the feeling SLC as a general community secretly think that Trinity was fortunate to only lose by 1. When in reality Trinity left points all over the field. Including a FG in the first half from the 5 yardline. Instead they go for the TD, but the rb slipped. A wide open receiver in the endzone, but our qb threw WAY over his head. I know it's in the past, but I'm tired of hearing from SLC fans (not on this board) how much they think Trinity was lucky to even be in the game. When if they had score those 10 points, they would have punted and possibly won 31-16. But they didn't and they lost. I guess I'll just have to remind them next time injuries are a part of the game and they got "whipped by Abilene" and see if they like the tables turned.

I would like to officially apologize for any Carroll fan who has said to you that trinity was anything but a noble opponent that day. Seriously, anyone who watched the game knows it could easily have gone either way. And there were over 50,000 there who saw what I am talking about. My thought on the punt is still that Coach Lineweaver (whom Carroll fans overwhelmingly respect) felt that the play he called was the best way to put his team in position to win the game. Period. And he made the call based on years of coaching experience at a very high level.

[TheScout]

Never judge the tree by a few apples. And, hate to give ammunition here, but if you ever hear that again perhaps you could mention that SLC might do well with special teams ball handling. We all talk about Riley blah blah blah in the Abilene game, but we still win with him out IF WE HANDLE A SNAP instead of fumbling. We came within one SNAP of winning the Coppell game, last 3 seconds, ball slips away from the holder.

We can what if this to death and I am sure for the offseason it will be brought up again. As far as what points were left on the field? You and I both know it doesn't matter now. Too late. We had an int in the end zone against MNW. Complete that and who knows. We had a snap over the punters head in the MNW game, gave 'em two points. Take that away and who knows? We had and int in the endzone agains Coppell, take that away and....well, you know.

Most knowledgeable fans in SLC respect the football that is played at Trinity. For those with no manners, recognize that we have received the same from folks as well.

100% agree. Thanks for the support FAN.

[slcdragonfan]

I understand that but SLC fans always point to the Abilene game as "we would have won had Riley not gone down" but in reality I think Trinity wins the game against SLC had their best rb, Moore been there. Campbell would not have tired and They would have ran all over SLC. If SLC can use the Riley Dodge excuse, then Trinity has every right to use the Moore excuse. There is no difference.

Yeah, and we beat MNW if we had out offensive linemen, etc. Doesn't change the result, and we all agree this was one of the best games ever. Me, I'd prefer to talk about this when we have nothing else to talk about.:D

[TheScout]

I would like to officially apologize for any Carroll fan who has said to you that trinity was anything but a noble opponent that day. Seriously, anyone who watched the game knows it could easily have gone either way. And there were over 50,000 there who saw what I am talking about. My thought on the punt is still that Coach Lineweaver (whom Carroll fans overwhelmingly respect) felt that the play he called was the best way to put his team in position to win the game. Period. And he made the call based on years of coaching experience at a very high level.

Thanks, but you are not responsible for a few fans behavior. But I appreciate your words:notworthy

[Trojanman96]

I would like to officially apologize for any Carroll fan who has said to you that trinity was anything but a noble opponent that day. Seriously, anyone who watched the game knows it could easily have gone either way. And there were over 50,000 there who saw what I am talking about. My thought on the punt is still that Coach Lineweaver (whom Carroll fans overwhelmingly respect) felt that the play he called was the best way to put his team in position to win the game. Period. And he made the call based on years of coaching experience at a very high level.

thanks guys, that had just been on my mind, sorry about the rant. Appreciate the kind words. My apologies as well

[powerofthehaka]

Please refer to my post on page 2.

[DrEdward]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It used to happen.

[DrEdward]

But I don't think SLC had been moving the ball all that well in THIS game, right? They had only been able to put up what, 15 points up until "the play".
I don't fault Lineweaver for making the call. If it had worked, he'd have been hailed as making the greatest call in the history of TX HS football (well, maybe not THE greatest). As it turned out, it didn't and a few people "blame" him for the loss (not me).

I would agree that Carroll had not the success against Trinity that it had otherwise enjoyed. Of course, no one really ecpected the Dragons to just move up and down the field at will against Trinity. If so, 53,000 would not have bothered to show up at Texas Stadium that day. Still the Dragons did manage to move that 37 yards in fairly rapid progress, so it will always be a matter of specualtion what might have been.

[SLC93]

Please refer to my post on page 2.

The one with the guys and their batons marching around a sleeping animal?





or





DEAD HORSE BEAT DOWN!


:D

[DrEdward]

What's disturbing is I even still run into some SLC fans at playoff games and they jab me with jokes about the punt. I mean grown men. I was sitting with a man in his 50's last year and every time the other team punted, he said, " Oh look. They know how to punt" or " Hmmm, they seem smart. They don't fake punt." For the most part SLC fans are really nice and know how fortunate either team would have been to get the victory. But there are still a few that tell me, "We kicked your :Censor:, we kicked your :Censor: . You suck." So sometimes I get the feeling SLC as a general community secretly think that Trinity was fortunate to only lose by 1. When in reality Trinity left points all over the field. Including a FG in the first half from the 5 yardline. Instead they go for the TD, but the rb slipped. A wide open receiver in the endzone, but our qb threw WAY over his head. I know it's in the past, but I'm tired of hearing from SLC fans (not on this board) how much they think Trinity was lucky to even be in the game. When if they had score those 10 points, they would have punted and possibly won 31-16. But they didn't and they lost. I guess I'll just have to remind them next time injuries are a part of the game and they got "whipped by Abilene" and see if they like the tables turned.

I have to say that I have never heard any Carroll fan express such a sentiment about the Trinity game or about the Trinity football team or anything remotely resembling such a comment and I talk to and with a great number of them.

[TheScout]

I've heard them too, at playoff games. And little comments like " Fake it, fake it" I just choose to ignore them. And yes these are parents with kids playing.

[DrEdward]

I've heard them too, at playoff games. And little comments like " Fake it, fake it" I just choose to ignore them. And yes these are parents with kids playing.

Carroll fans are saying this about Trinity at Trinity playoff games? If so, then it is almost certainly in a sarcastic sense. Although I can appreciate that would bother someone from Trinity. But it is not a common sentiment held by Carroll fans.

[Maxthedog]

Trinity has the ball on their own 35 or 37 yrd line. Punter backs up 20, kicking from his 15 or so yardline. Get off a 45 yard punt(being VERY gracious here Trinitys punter was not doing anything near this during the game), SLC returner catches it at his own 40-45 yardline, gets oh, 10-15 yards. The ball ends up at the Trinity 45, or 40.

Lineweaver decides to fake it, ball ends up at the 35 or 40 yardline.

Total difference - 10 yards or less.

I don't see what all the angst is about?

The Abby-Lean situation, the game is on it's way to a SLC rout. Riley gets hurt, we fumble a snap in front of Heavens gate. Game over.

One was a decision that had minimal impact on the grand scheme, the other was bad luck, Abby-lean took advantage(like a good team does), then compounded by bad execution. No comparison.

[TheScout]

Not at Trinity playoff games. Like a Triple header, when there are multiple teams playing, you get a melting pot of fans. Like I said it doesnt bother me, I just think it's a little weird to hear it from adults. I know it's just a few bad apples. No harm

[TheScout]

Trinity has the ball on their own 35 or 37 yrd line. Punter backs up 20, kicking from his 15 or so yardline. Get off a 45 yard punt(being VERY gracious here Trinitys punter was not doing anything near this during the game), SLC returner catches it at his own 40-45 yardline, gets oh, 10-15 yards. The ball ends up at the Trinity 45, or 40.

Lineweaver decides to fake it, ball ends up at the 35 or 40 yardline.

Total difference - 10 yards or less.

I don't see what all the angst is about?

The Abby-Lean situation, the game is on it's way to a SLC rout. Riley gets hurt, we fumble a snap in front of Heavens gate. Game over.

One was a decision that had minimal impact on the grand scheme, the other was bad luck, Abby-lean took advantage(like a good team does), then compounded by bad execution. No comparison.

No comparison? Trinity was without their best back the whole game and lost 22-21. SLC was without their best QB and lost 22-21. SLC's strong point is QB, Trinity's strong point is rb. This is the exact same thing.

[drgnbkr]

No comparison? Trinity was without their best back the whole game and lost 22-21. SLC was without their best QB and lost 22-21. SLC's strong point is QB, Trinity's strong point is rb. This is the exact same thing.

Okay, I'll take your bait...are you trying to say that the other back would have doubled or tripled Baker's output? Baker had an outstanding game so the other guy would have had to be superman. Are you putting down Baker or praising the other guy? Carroll running up a quick 14-0 score with Abilene, with Riley, and losing 22-21 without him for the final 3 1/2 quarters is not really in the same ball park. And that is no knock on Abilene, they won.

[hollywood]

Please refer to my post on page 2.

Would that be the dead horse with the Office Space guys?

[DrEdward]

Would that be the dead horse with the Office Space guys?

PETA is going to be :Censor:. :D

[TheScout]

Okay, I'll take your bait...are you trying to say that the other back would have doubled or tripled Baker's output? Baker had an outstanding game so the other guy would have had to be superman. Are you putting down Baker or praising the other guy? Carroll running up a quick 14-0 score with Abilene, with Riley, and losing 22-21 without him for the final 3 1/2 quarters is not really in the same ball park. And that is no knock on Abilene, they won.

First of all baker was not even on the team. Campbell was the backup. I'm trying to say. Riley was your best player. he went out and you lost. Moore was our best player he did not play, we lost. see any comparison? SLC depends on the pass. Trinity on the Run. Not to say he would triple the output, but fresh legs at the rb position is what was key to Trinity's success. On the last series when Trinity is trying to run out the clock, having both backs fresh I beleive would have made a difference. IMO

[hollywood]

Carroll fans are saying this about Trinity at Trinity playoff games? If so, then it is almost certainly in a sarcastic sense. Although I can appreciate that would bother someone from Trinity. But it is not a common sentiment held by Carroll fans.

I think folks can say some pretty dumb things at games in the heat of the moment. I am just glad I never do .... :o

Anyway, on the other side we can be pretty sensitive to things when it comes to our teams. I am guilty of this myself. When I step back a bit I think I will agree with you that there is probably no lack of respect for either program for the other. There is a natural rivalry now and I think that is good for the game and the fans.

[hollywood]

Trinity has the ball on their own 35 or 37 yrd line. Punter backs up 20, kicking from his 15 or so yardline. Get off a 45 yard punt(being VERY gracious here Trinitys punter was not doing anything near this during the game), SLC returner catches it at his own 40-45 yardline, gets oh, 10-15 yards. The ball ends up at the Trinity 45, or 40.

Lineweaver decides to fake it, ball ends up at the 35 or 40 yardline.

Total difference - 10 yards or less.

I don't see what all the angst is about?

The Abby-Lean situation, the game is on it's way to a SLC rout. Riley gets hurt, we fumble a snap in front of Heavens gate. Game over.

One was a decision that had minimal impact on the grand scheme, the other was bad luck, Abby-lean took advantage(like a good team does), then compounded by bad execution. No comparison.

Amen

[drgnbkr]

First of all baker was not even on the team. Campbell was the backup. I'm trying to say. Riley was your best player. he went out and you lost. Moore was our best player he did not play, we lost. see any comparison? SLC depends on the pass. Trinity on the Run. Not to say he would triple the output, but fresh legs at the rb position is what was key to Trinity's success. On the last series when Trinity is trying to run out the clock, having both backs fresh I beleive would have made a difference. IMO

Sorry, I was thinking of Samir Baker..but the point is the same. But to say having more depth at running back is the same as losing the 5-A offensive player of the year is kind of iffy...just my opinion though. Can't we just agree that it was a great game? I can't really see your comparison..sorry.

[hollywood]

Well, if you're going to blame him for the losses, I supposed you have to blame him for all the wins also, right?

I really don't recall ever seeing Coach Lineweaver tackle anyone on the field, block a pass, or run for a TD. He obviously has impact on what happens on the field, as does every coach, but it is still a team sport and TEAMS win championships. To me, teams include players, coaches, trainers, etc.

"Team" is what Trinity is about. How often do you see any ONE of their players named among the best at any position?

It is rare that things come together so well period. I am going to agree with all that you are saying. The community support that Trinity gets contributes much.

My only additional comment is that a bad HC can mess that all up. No one person has as much impact on a program as does the HC. A good leader allows good things to happen. It is as important as what they do not do, as do. So Coach Lineweaver, deserves a huge amount of respect for what the Trinity program has accomplished. I know you are not attacking him in any way. I just want to go the extra yard and point out the HC is critical to success. While the HC is critical they are by no means the reason alone for success. As you say they are part of the team. A key part.

[TheScout]

Sorry, I was thinking of Samir Baker..but the point is the same. But to say having more depth at running back is the same as losing the 5-A offensive player of the year is kind of iffy...just my opinion though. Can't we just agree that it was a great game? I can't really see your comparison..sorry.


Yes we can agree. Just remember losing your QB is like losing our RB. They make the offense run. literally. I don't mean depth, I mean our best RB. That's like saying the 93 Cowboys were still good without Emmitt. They were actually 0-2.

[powerofthehaka]

It is rare that things come together so well period. I am going to agree with all that you are saying. The community support that Trinity gets contributes much.

My only additional comment is that a bad HC can mess that all up. No one person has as much impact on a program as does the HC. A good leader allows good things to happen. It is as important as what they do not do, as do. So Coach Lineweaver, deserves a huge amount of respect for what the Trinity program has accomplished. I know you are not attacking him in any way. I just want to go the extra yard and point out the HC is critical to success. While the HC is critical they are by no means the reason alone for success. As you say they are part of the team. A key part.

If you have ever been in a film room with him, you would have a better understanding.:notworthy He picks up things most people wouldn't even think about.

[slcdragonfan]

PETA is going to be :Censor:. :D

PETA
P.eople E.ating T.asty A.nimals

[Maxthedog]

I have to say that I have never heard any Carroll fan express such a sentiment about the Trinity game or about the Trinity football team or anything remotely resmebling such a comment and I talk to and with a great number of them.

Me neither Doc!

[Maxthedog]

No comparison? Trinity was without their best back the whole game and lost 22-21. SLC was without their best QB and lost 22-21. SLC's strong point is QB, Trinity's strong point is rb. This is the exact same thing.

YOU missed the ENTIRE POINT Scout.
THE point IS, everyone talking about Coach Lineweavers call on the fake punt being in-the-league, with losing a KEY Offensive starter.

The Trinity runnig game is based on the fortune of the RB. Just like last year, just like this year, starter is injured, backup comes in, didn't miss a beat.
Same thing in the Trinity/SLC game, The kid that played had a great game. Don't EVEN try to tell me anyone else would have made THAT much of a difference in THAT game. OBTW, I am a BIG S. Baker fan.
You can say ANYTHING you want about running backs. Losing a QB, an All State QB from the spread is WAY WAY more of an impact than losing a RB.
Example: New England Patriots
That's all I have to say about this.

[SLC93]

If you have ever been in a film room with him, you would have a better understanding.:notworthy He picks up things most people wouldn't even think about.

It's unfortunate that many people only associate the aggressive, high scoring offensive coaches as being innovative or "genius". With Lineweaver his genius is in the details, the simple things that folks just don't see. He does not allow his focus to be broken by the wow factor. He knows how to win, period. It's an old question but holds serve with regards to Haka. What is more impressive, a team that wins through trickery, wrinkles and a thick playbook or a team that tells you who they are and what they will be doing and then beats you anyway? While the latter is quite impressive what allows Lineweaver to take it a step further is his ability/willingness to adapt, reshape and install pieces to his machine without ruining the inegrity of the engine. He'll show new things. He'll use them to his advantage but he will never forget what he, and his team, are about.

[trojanbacker]

This is way beyond beating a dead horse. This is more like exhuming the long-dead horse and letting his dead horse smell stink up the place.

Not that there's anything wrong with that......

[DragonFan0316]

What's disturbing is I even still run into some SLC fans at playoff games and they jab me with jokes about the punt. I mean grown men. I was sitting with a man in his 50's last year and every time the other team punted, he said, " Oh look. They know how to punt" or " Hmmm, they seem smart. They don't fake punt." For the most part SLC fans are really nice and know how fortunate either team would have been to get the victory. But there are still a few that tell me, "We kicked your :Censor:, we kicked your :Censor: . You suck." So sometimes I get the feeling SLC as a general community secretly think that Trinity was fortunate to only lose by 1. When in reality Trinity left points all over the field. Including a FG in the first half from the 5 yardline. Instead they go for the TD, but the rb slipped. A wide open receiver in the endzone, but our qb threw WAY over his head. I know it's in the past, but I'm tired of hearing from SLC fans (not on this board) how much they think Trinity was lucky to even be in the game. When if they had score those 10 points, they would have punted and possibly won 31-16. But they didn't and they lost. I guess I'll just have to remind them next time injuries are a part of the game and they got "whipped by Abilene" and see if they like the tables turned.

Bud, don't lower yourself to their level. Plenty of stupid people to go around in every community. Southlake is no different. You should meet my neighbor.:rolleyes: On whole we here in Dragon land love you guys. It was an epic battle at TS. One not likely to be duplicated. Niether team deserved to lose or played like losers. I thought fans on both sides showed respect. Don't be distracted by the jackass that is breaing in the field. Ignore him and move on. All hail to the Trojans!:notworthy

[slcdragonfan]

[/B]
You should meet my neighbor.

Hey, you don't live off of Shady Oaks do ya'? Hope you're not talking about me!:D

[DragonFan0316]

Hey, you don't live off of Shady Oaks do ya'? Hope you're not talking about me!:D

I know Shady Oak well but no. Not you bud. He knows who he is!

[CCHS77]

I know Shady Oak well but no. Not you bud. He knows who he is!

Did he use to be on the school board?

[slcdragonfan]

Did he use to be on the school board?

:D

[SLC]

The defense wasn't tired, they were naturally deflated by that turn of events. Lineweaver made that call because he'd been in that position before against Lufkin. If you give the ball to a good offense that late in the game even if they have to drive what he was concerned about was either some bogus penalties extended the drive late in the game and/or of course the possibility that's been stated Southlake scoring outright with not much time remaining. IMO the Trinity D had been the best unit in the game and he should of made Southlake go the 80 and and in hindsight Coach Lineweaver would have to. Doesn't change at all my love for Coach Lineweaver, nor is it something I dwell on but I think all non-Southlake fans would of liked to have seen if Southlake could have made a 60-80 yard drive instead of 37 :eek:. Understandbly I have never, even seen a Southlake fan, not even one disagree with the call, and if I was in their position I wouldn't either.


You could tell they were tired, because they couldnt get pressure on Riley late in the game like they had earlier... I could see it easy from my seat and evryone around me commented on it.

But you are correct, I dont second guess his call, he did we he thought gave his team the best chance to beat Carroll...

[SLC]

But I don't think SLC had been moving the ball all that well in THIS game, right? They had only been able to put up what, 15 points up until "the play".
I don't fault Lineweaver for making the call. If it had worked, he'd have been hailed as making the greatest call in the history of TX HS football (well, maybe not THE greatest). As it turned out, it didn't and a few people "blame" him for the loss (not me).

I certainly dont blame him at all for making the call... Either way we had to score a TD to win.. He thought this way they wouldnt give us the chance...

[SLC]

What's disturbing is I even still run into some SLC fans at playoff games and they jab me with jokes about the punt. I mean grown men. I was sitting with a man in his 50's last year and every time the other team punted, he said, " Oh look. They know how to punt" or " Hmmm, they seem smart. They don't fake punt." For the most part SLC fans are really nice and know how fortunate either team would have been to get the victory. But there are still a few that tell me, "We kicked your :Censor:, we kicked your :Censor: . You suck." So sometimes I get the feeling SLC as a general community secretly think that Trinity was fortunate to only lose by 1. When in reality Trinity left points all over the field. Including a FG in the first half from the 5 yardline. Instead they go for the TD, but the rb slipped. A wide open receiver in the endzone, but our qb threw WAY over his head. I know it's in the past, but I'm tired of hearing from SLC fans (not on this board) how much they think Trinity was lucky to even be in the game. When if they had score those 10 points, they would have punted and possibly won 31-16. But they didn't and they lost. I guess I'll just have to remind them next time injuries are a part of the game and they got "whipped by Abilene" and see if they like the tables turned.



You are correct.. Carroll was very fortunate to win this game, just as Trinity would have been if they had won... And you should tell any Carroll fan that says that crap to you to remember what it felt like to lose to Katy by 1 point... That'll shut them up real quick.

[SLC]

I've heard them too, at playoff games. And little comments like " Fake it, fake it" I just choose to ignore them. And yes these are parents with kids playing.


Thats truly sad... Someone should tell the parents to stop acting like kids...

[SLC]

Like you said, it's in the past. There will always be some immature fans from either team, and will be delusional about the outcome. I know Trinity left points on the field, but Lineweaver figured it would be a shootout and went for the TD instead of the FG in the first half. Had that situation come up in the second half I'm sure he would take the 3 points and the win. If he would've known that kicking the FG in the first half from the 5 would have actually won the game in the end, he would have done it. But let's worry about this year.



I dont understand you saying those 2 things when you started this thread..:confused:

[TrojanMom88]

This thread was started to show the similarties between the two games.

Yes, Riley Dodge's injury was different than Shannon Moore not playing, but similar in the fact that the Offense depended on that player.

I would say that both teams have learned from that situation. I know I have seen Trinity working deep in to their key positions in the past years to make sure that this doesn't easily become a problem in the future. I am sure SLC has learned from the experience, even back ups need more playtime to be able to produce when it matters. Trust is earned and that trust can't be built from the bench. (trust in themselves as well as trust in each other)

My whole point is that this thread has turned into a endless battle that no one will agree on...

We all know where the Coaches and the boys stand on this one.

One really amazing game that they were fortunate to take part in, a pleasant/unpleasant memory, that they will be able to share with their grandchildren.

All teams involved played a game that was above the level of play that is STANDARD among 5A programs.

[Soonertransplant]

My whole point is that this thread has turned into a endless battle that no one will agree on...

We all know where the Coaches and the boys stand on this one.

One really amazing game that they were fortunate to take part in, a pleasant/unpleasant memory, that they will be able to share with their grandchildren.

All teams involved played a game that was above the level of play that is STANDARD among 5A programs.

:notworthy:notworthy

Has anyone ever found someone/business that had video/dvd of this game for sale? Our vhs malfunctioned................:mad:........oh, alright I admit I just forgot to set it :(

[TheScout]

YOU missed the ENTIRE POINT Scout.
THE point IS, everyone talking about Coach Lineweavers call on the fake punt being in-the-league, with losing a KEY Offensive starter.

The Trinity runnig game is based on the fortune of the RB. Just like last year, just like this year, starter is injured, backup comes in, didn't miss a beat.
Same thing in the Trinity/SLC game, The kid that played had a great game. Don't EVEN try to tell me anyone else would have made THAT much of a difference in THAT game. OBTW, I am a BIG S. Baker fan.
You can say ANYTHING you want about running backs. Losing a QB, an All State QB from the spread is WAY WAY more of an impact than losing a RB.
Example: New England Patriots
That's all I have to say about this.
Wrong. Moore was much better, and would have made a difference, You obviously didnt see Moore play. And by the way, our best running I think is worth at least 1 more point. He would not have had to make a big difference, only 1 point. Geez I can tell your from Plano.

[Trojan4653]

Any time you make a decision like that and fail it hurts... No one knows if Trinity had kicked the ball instead of trying a risky play what would have happened... Carroll could have drove the field and scored or they could have thrown an interception, or turned the ball over on downs..or...or..or. We will never know, because Lineweaver chose to bank the game on his offense, instead of his defense.. He tried to accomplish 2 things with the fake punt.. 1. he didnt want to put the ball in the hands of Riley Dodge and that offense. And 2. He didnt want to put his tired defense back out there. There is no doubt that Trinity had every chance to make the play, but Carroll was heads up to stop the fake, even with 2 players back to recieve the punt.. So the numbers at the line of scrimage favored Trinity... Again, just a heads up play by the Dragons, and a TD to seal the deal.

I can tell you this....we went to the coach's corner the following Monday and agree or not.....Lineweaver said " I just watched the defense play their hearts out all day and I just wanted to keep the ball out of Southlake's hands, and that is all I am going to say about it." He was as heartbroken as the rest of us.

[TheScout]

:notworthy

I'll end my argument in this thread by saying:

If SLC doesnt lose Riley against Abilene, there is no need for a FG at the end and they win.

If Trinity doesnt lose Moore, there is no reason for the FAKE and they win

This is my opinion and I'm stickin to it. If people don't think our best RB isn't worth 1 point, youre wrong.

[SLC]

I can tell you this....we went to the coach's corner the following Monday and agree or not.....Lineweaver said " I just watched the defense play their hearts out all day and I just wanted to keep the ball out of Southlake's hands, and that is all I am going to say about it." He was as heartbroken as the rest of us.



I completely agree, the Trinity defense played great all day, they had to chase Riley around constantly.. Thats what I ment by them being tired, and Lineweaver not wanting to have to send them back out there... He made, in my estimation, the best decision he could.

[SLC]

:notworthy

I'll end my argument in this thread by saying:

If SLC doesnt lose Riley against Abilene, there is no need for a FG at the end and they win.

If Trinity doesnt lose Moore, there is no reason for the FAKE and they win

This is my opinion and I'm stickin to it. If people don't think our best RB isn't worth 1 point, youre wrong.

Its hard to say that if your RB would have played that he would have made that much of a difference... In the case of Riley, he was in the game and accounted for 14 points... Your RB did not play at all, so we dont know what you truly lost from him not being there.

And we certainly dont know if he had been playing that there would have been no reason for the fake and they win... nothing to go off of in the game that tells us that.

And if your RB is worth 1 point, that would have only tied the game, not won it.

[TheScout]

Its hard to say that if your RB would have played that he would have made that much of a difference... In the case of Riley, he was in the game and accounted for 14 points... Your RB did not play at all, so we dont know what you truly lost from him not being there.

And we certainly dont know if he had been playing that there would have been no reason for the fake and they win... nothing to go off of in the game that tells us that.

And if your RB is worth 1 point, that would have only tied the game, not won it.
I was making a point. He was worth a couple td's in my opinion. There would have been no need to fake it with a 2 score lead.

[SLC]

I was making a point. He was worth a couple td's in my opinion. There would have been no need to fake it with a 2 score lead.


OK... But what from that game tells you he was worth 2 tds?.... Again, we had nothing tangible from the game that tells us that..

[TheScout]

I saw Moore play all year. I know how much better he was. That's tangible. My point is, we lost by 1 point, without our best player. It's reasonable to think that if he was healthy, he would have made a difference, by more than a point. It's like trying to replace Emmitt smith with Eddie George....just isn't as good. Like I said I don't want to argue over this anymore. :)

[trojan25]

I'll agree that saying a healthy Shannon Moore would have made a difference is an assumption, but it is also an assumption to say Dodge would have made the difference.

You say he'd already shown it, but not all games, especially those involving good teams, continue the same throughout. In the Trinity-SLC game, anyone who watched the first half might have thought it was only a matter of time before SLC pulled away. The 3rd quarter, it looked like Trinity was solidly in control.

SLC also looked to be solidly in control of the Coppell game this year not once, but twice. Games change, and it is an assumption to say Riley would have made the difference. It's a logical assumption, but an assumption nonetheless.

[DragonFan0316]

Two or Four healthy teams could play two games with different outcomes. That's why the history books give no weight to injuries, referee calls. Or missed TO calls. 100 years from now the boks will show two single entries:

2006
SLC - 22
UT - 21

2007
AHS - 22
SLC - 21

And people will say. Wow, looks like two great games. That is the way I see them both. Let the warriors in both matches rest in peace.:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[SLC]

I'll agree that saying a healthy Shannon Moore would have made a difference is an assumption, but it is also an assumption to say Dodge would have made the difference.

You say he'd already shown it, but not all games, especially those involving good teams, continue the same throughout. In the Trinity-SLC game, anyone who watched the first half might have thought it was only a matter of time before SLC pulled away. The 3rd quarter, it looked like Trinity was solidly in control.

SLC also looked to be solidly in control of the Coppell game this year not once, but twice. Games change, and it is an assumption to say Riley would have made the difference. It's a logical assumption, but an assumption nonetheless.

The SLC/Trinity game was close throughout... The SLC/Abilene game was on its way to being a blowout...

[Maxthedog]

:notworthy

I'll end my argument in this thread by saying:

If SLC doesnt lose Riley against Abilene, there is no need for a FG at the end and they win.

If Trinity doesnt lose Moore, there is no reason for the FAKE and they win

This is my opinion and I'm stickin to it. If people don't think our best RB isn't worth 1 point, youre wrong.

Swell!

[TheScout]

Swell!

Grow up.:rolleyes:

[15Adragon]

Two or Four healthy teams could play two games with different outcomes. That's why the history books give no weight to injuries, referee calls. Or missed TO calls. 100 years from now the boks will show two single entries:

2006
SLC - 22
UT - 21

2007
AHS - 22
SLC - 21

And people will say. Wow, looks like two great games. That is the way I see them both. Let the warriors in both matches rest in peace.:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

At least SLC went on to win state in '06 which ultimately makes the Trojans loss look better than SLC loss looked last year.

[Maxthedog]

Grow up.:rolleyes:

Great comeback!

[twcpfan1]

How come this thread isn't locked? Apparently hypothetical matchup threads aren't allowed because of it's insincere nature and hidden agenda. :D

[SLC]

Two or Four healthy teams could play two games with different outcomes. That's why the history books give no weight to injuries, referee calls. Or missed TO calls. 100 years from now the boks will show two single entries:

2006
SLC - 22
UT - 21
2007
AHS - 22
SLC - 21

And people will say. Wow, looks like two great games. That is the way I see them both. Let the warriors in both matches rest in peace.:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy


I didnt know Carroll played UT.... And quite interesting.. We won...:cool:

[15Adragon]

I didnt know Carroll played UT.... And quite interesting.. We won...:cool:
Dragonfan is looking ahead to Saturday night!

[DragonFan0316]

I didnt know Carroll played UT.... And quite interesting.. We won...:cool:

Thanks for the spell check professor. ET okay.:o

[TheScout]

How come this thread isn't locked? Apparently hypothetical matchup threads aren't allowed because of it's insincere nature and hidden agenda. :D

You obviously don't know what this thread is about

[TheScout]

Great comeback!

What are you 12? Oh sorry I didn't mean to offend the 6th graders.

[twcpfan1]

You obviously don't know what this thread is about

Actually I don't. My post was made in reference to another unrelated thread (in sarcasm). Sorry about the hijack.

[TheScout]

Actually I don't. My post was made in reference to another unrelated thread (in sarcasm). Sorry about the hijack.
No problem dude. Sorry to sound rude:(. Its about how two schools lost in very similar ways.

[twcpfan1]

No problem dude. Sorry to sound rude:(. Its about how two schools lost in very similar ways.

Oh ok. I'm familiar with both games. ET fake punt game and SLC fumbled snap game.

[slcdragonfan]

Is it time for the Ferris Bueller post?

[TheScout]

Yes

[Maxthedog]

What are you 12? Oh sorry I didn't mean to offend the 6th graders.

Another great comeback!

[TheScout]

Another great comeback!

It's not a comeback. You just arent worth the time. I would rather watch paint dry than to listen to your logic. Then again you are just a dog. A Plain-Ole dog. Have fun barking at the moon during the playoffs, while you're at home.

[TheScout]

Once again. Another Great Comeback!!!

[Maxthedog]

It's not a comeback. You just arent worth the time. I would rather watch paint dry than to listen to your logic. Then again you are just a dog. A Plain-Ole dog. Have fun barking at the moon during the playoffs, while you're at home.

I live in Plano kido. I'm from Southlake. I don't appreciate your name calling. You don't agree with my logic fine, no problem, I'm married so I'm used to that.
If you going to get into childish name calling with people everytime someone disagrees with you, good luck with that, you going to be a busy kid.
You have KT's post on that kind of stuff in your sig. What do you think enough is enough or do you want to test KT's sword?

[TheScout]

I live in Plano kido. I'm from Southlake. I don't appreciate your name calling. You don't agree with my logic fine, no problem, I'm married so I'm used to that.
If you going to get into childish name calling with people everytime someone disagrees with you, good luck with that, you going to be a busy kid.
You have KT's post on that kind of stuff in your sig. What do you think enough is enough or do you want to test KT's sword?

Ya know what, You are sitting there taunting me, so I gave you what you wanted. I'm def not a kid, but thanks for the compliment. Don't act innocent while youre the driving force behind my comments. Plus your name is DOG. I don't know how that's name calling. Maybe you shouldn't use that name if you don't like it.