SLC fans, Clint Renfro?

[LarryFine]

Any idea what his future plans are?

[ALLIN]

The immediate future calls for many touchdowns and confused DB's! :D :D
Other than that, not sure. j/k before the arrogance talk begins

[Favpack]

The immediate future calls for many touchdowns and confused DB's! :D :D
Other than that, not sure. j/k before the arrogance talk begins

Purely opinion here - but you don't see many 150 pound wr's at any college level - let alone big time college.

He could certainly take a look at someone else built just like him - the kid from Arlington who won gold in the 400 meters in Athens - his name just escaped me - Jeremy ______? They are built very much alike and Clint can fly on the hurdles.

[TheDuke]

Purely opinion here - but you don't see many 150 pound wr's at any college level - let alone big time college.

He could certainly take a look at someone else built just like him - the kid from Arlington who won gold in the 400 meters in Athens - his name just escaped me - Jeremy ______? They are built very much alike and Clint can fly on the hurdles.

I agree!! His future should be put on about 15 pounds for now!
:D

[PackAttack2005]

Refro may be small, but he is tough. Lufkin pounded him with several hard blows last year, he got up everytime. I'm with Duke, if Renfro wants to play college ball he needs to put on about 25 pounds. If his desire and strength is track then he doesn't need to worry about the weight.

[drgnbkr]

It looks to me like he is just having fun with it, and will go where success leads him. His Dad was undersized & prospered.

[slcdragons]

I think back in the day when Miami(Fla.) was the king of the collegiate football world, they had a wide out who played at around 150 lbs. Kevin Williams I think was his name, and if memory serves me right he was from Dallas. I know that todays players are much bigger than their forerunners, but with the progress made in weight training, CR should end up at a Division 1 program. I'd like to see him end up at Iowa with another Dragon, Scott Chandler !!! :D

[LarryFine]

Tech had a kid back in the 80s who was 5'4, 126 when he showed up on campus. He ended up an All-American punt returner. He returned a 93 yarder against UT in Austin that ended up being the difference in the game. It could happen, it is rare, but it could happen.

I know Mike was a WR at TCU and they have a good track program, but they are about to go on probation. Mike's dad was a top sprinter for UNT way back when, but they are a run based O. I hear he is interested in Tech because of the passing O and the top track program, but Tech is only going to take 2, maybe 3, WR in this class.

Guys like Clint are fun to watch at any level. I always enjoyed watching his dad play at TCU and in the NFL. I always enjoy the guys who aren't supposed to be good end up being productive.

Good luck to SLC this season.

[BigFanSLC]

Clint has put on about 5 pounds this spring from what i've seen. and so has Mckay Jacobson. He looks like a Wes Welker type more and more in pads. Can't wait to see how this senior class finishes out their careers

[NewSherriffInTown]

Clint has put on about 5 pounds this spring from what i've seen. and so has Mckay Jacobson. He looks like a Wes Welker type more and more in pads. Can't wait to see how this senior class finishes out their careers



I was JUST about to say that. To me his talent is too great to not have on the football field. He is a Texas Tech WR, no doubt about it.

[Texasfrog]

Purely opinion here - but you don't see many 150 pound wr's at any college level - let alone big time college.

He could certainly take a look at someone else built just like him - the kid from Arlington who won gold in the 400 meters in Athens - his name just escaped me - Jeremy ______? They are built very much alike and Clint can fly on the hurdles.

The kid can flat fly and has great hands. His even got some ups to go get the football.

There is an All-PRO playing in the NFL by the name of Marvin Harrison that is probably about 170 lbs soak & wet.

[pack0808]

yeah his dad did it at about that weigh in the nfl. i think steve largent was about that size also and he is a hof i believe?? it can be done.

[drgnbkr]

Clint has put on about 5 pounds this spring from what i've seen. and so has Mckay Jacobson. He looks like a Wes Welker type more and more in pads. Can't wait to see how this senior class finishes out their careers
McKay has added about 15 of muscle...still blazing too...Renfro is just a whippet, thin but still a blur as he runs past your DB or outleaps him..

[PackAttack2005]

McKay has added fifteen pounds of muscle since December? He must be drinking lots of that good old Florida orange juice and eating lots of Texas finest and juiciest ribeye steaks to pack that on don't you imagine?, and still fast too. Why does that not surprise me?

We have the same type kids in Lufkin pounding the wieghts like crazy everyday and the only ones who may have put on 15 pounds in 6 months is maybe some linemen, but not a wide receiver.

Looks like Southlake will again claim to be the strongest and fastest WR crew in 5A football at all expense.

[NewSherriffInTown]

McKay has added fifteen pounds of muscle since December? He must be drinking lots of that good old Florida orange juice and eating lots of Texas finest and juiciest ribeye steaks to pack that on don't you imagine?, and still fast too. Why does that not surprise me?

We have the same type kids in Lufkin pounding the wieghts like crazy everyday and the only ones who may have put on 15 pounds in 6 months is maybe some linemen, but not a wide receiver.

Looks like Southlake will again claim to be the strongest and fastest WR crew in 5A football at all expense.


What is that supposed to mean??

[PackAttack2005]

I guess it means McKay has been on a high carbo and protien diet. What else could it be?

[NewSherriffInTown]

Or the guy doesn't know what 15 pounds actually is.


Those protein diets have got Lufkin's number though.

[Purple Haze]

Or the guy doesn't know what 15 pounds actually is.

I sure know what a 15 pound weight gain looks like. :D :D :D

[drgnbkr]

C'mon guy's, it's not that unusual for a kid to add 15 pounds between his jr & sr years now is it? I know I did, & I did'nt have the weight room that we have here in Southlake....cut the raised eyebrow crap & give it a rest?... ;)

[Texasfrog]

McKay has added fifteen pounds of muscle since December? He must be drinking lots of that good old Florida orange juice and eating lots of Texas finest and juiciest ribeye steaks to pack that on don't you imagine?, and still fast too. Why does that not surprise me?

We have the same type kids in Lufkin pounding the wieghts like crazy everyday and the only ones who may have put on 15 pounds in 6 months is maybe some linemen, but not a wide receiver.

Looks like Southlake will again claim to be the strongest and fastest WR crew in 5A football at all expense.

I dont know but Lufkin has some WR's. I hope that Claybon is all they say he is. I will say this. The Dez Bryant kid showed me some stuff in his short stint on varsity. He went up for a couple of passes in that SLC game that was very impressive. He didnt come down with them, but he showed me what his got in the motor. His got some "up's" to.

If his not a National Top 100 recruit in 2006 somethings up.

[Texasfrog]

C'mon guy's, it's not that unusual for a kid to add 15 pounds between his jr & sr years now is it? I know I did, & I did'nt have the weight room that we have here in Southlake....cut the raised eyebrow crap & give it a rest?... ;)

It doest matter. They both showed what they have last year. You cant hit what you cant catch. Renfro is a flat burner. When he went up and caught that pass in the back of the endzone in the Lufkin game , " I went dang that kid's got (IT)."

His legit. Also, there is several Wr's in the League that aint much heaver than Renfro and Renfro probably faster then them.

[KT2000]

As far as size goes concerning potential NFL prospects today...two words...

Dante Hall

Dude is maybe 5'7, 175 pounds. The human joystick. The X button. You can't hit what you can't catch. Hall is an Aldine Nimitz alum I believe (Lufkin born).

[Red Raiders]

Doesn't College only pick anyone over 180 pounds or they don't care what size?

[KT2000]

I don't think they really care if the player is good enough to play at a high level. Obviously, being very fast is essential for anyone 200 pounds or less with plans of playing top notch D I-A ball.

I think height, for certain positions obviously, is more important than weight.

I think most college coaches today are confident enough in their strength and training regiments to take a lighter player with a lot of ability and spend a redshirt year acclamating him to the program and getting the extra weight put on.

I think 5'8-5'9 guys that are 165-175 range can still get looks in skill areas from major colleges if they've got the skills.

[Texasfrog]

Doesn't College only pick anyone over 180 pounds or they don't care what size?

They dont care.. They look at a kids natural ability ( vision, balance, speed ). Despite what some believe , those are three things that you really cant coach.

Some skill positions doesnt really matter much. Stanford signed a kid out of A&M Consolidated a few years ago by the name of Troy Walters. He was and still is pretty much ( 5-7/160 lbs) soak and wet. He won the 2000 Biletnikoff Tropy ( #1 college Wr). Now his played like 3 seasons with the Indy Colts. He didnt play much last season because of a broken arm.

Texas Tech has had a WR the last few years (Nehemiah Glover 5-8/170) that was fast, quick and great hands.

Probably more than any other football position. The WR can be somewhat on the smaller side if his got the other skills ( Hands, speed, quickness, vision and some hop).

[jtk1519]

Rivals.com has Mr. Rnfro listed at 6'0 165 (which means he's too tall to play for Tech :D ). Last year, Rivals had DeSean Jackson (5'11 170... signed LOI with Cal) listed as the #3 WR in the nation, Carlos Thomas (5'11 165... signed LOI with South Carolina) as the #9 WR and Marquis Wilson (5'11 158... signed LOI with Utah) was listed as the #19 WR in the nation. I dont think Renfro is going to have a problem finding a place to play.

[drgnbkr]

Like I said, he will just go where his success leads him and have fun with it...

[pack0808]

what are you talking about he didn't come down with them. i know dez scored at least 1 td vs slc on a jump ball?? maybe 2?? shankle was the other one that left slc's secondary for a long td. slc burned a few of our cb's also with some big catches. they do that to everybody.

[slc0204]

how good is Riley Dodge i know its off the subject but i was jus wondering if we are set at qb through 2008 i heard different stuff that he might be the best to come through hear but jus want some feed back on this kid

[drgnbkr]

If he can run like Chase Wasson, QB 02 Champs, (he's about the same size) he has a chance at greatness, he definately has the arm.

[dragonsdaddy]

clint is not 165 yet. he's bigger in the upper body but still has those whippet-like wheels. mckay is probably more like plus 10, but is looking great. has finally bulked up a little. strong off-season, and should press on this summer.

[Favpack]

As far as weight gain goes - different kids respond differently. Mandela Roberts, a potential all-state lb from Lufkin, gained probably 30+ pounds between his Fresh. and Jr. years; and has probably put on another 10 - all muscle - and he's still blazing fast.

I can see Allen gaining 15 pounds. Renfro will be fine this year, but I still say he's toast if he goes to a major college to play ball at 150 pounds. He's fast, but he's also not short - harder to miss those freighttrain college db's.

[pack0808]

yeah mandela roberts is built like a tank now, not to mention he hits like one. he is going to be in a lot of rb's nightmares this year. i say he will be 1st or 2nd team all state if he stays healthy.

[Texasfrog]

yeah mandela roberts is built like a tank now, not to mention he hits like one. he is going to be in a lot of rb's nightmares this year. i say he will be 1st or 2nd team all state if he stays healthy.

Ya, watching him last year was very impressive. He is built like a "tank" and has some speed. In fact I thought all the LB's at Lufkin were very impressive but he stood out some.

Lufkin probably has the best LB's crew this year in my opinion on looking at what they have coming back from 2004.

[pack4life]

If he can run like Chase Wasson, QB 02 Champs, (he's about the same size) he has a chance at greatness, he definately has the arm.

Hey is he (Wasson) still QB at Texas State? I am pretty sure that is where he went. I remember him mainly for one thing-his spin move. Man defensive players would think that had him in their arms, and then before you knew it, he would spin right out of a jam.

[CCHS77]

Hey is he (Wasson) still QB at Texas State? I am pretty sure that is where he went. I remember him mainly for one thing-his spin move. Man defensive players would think that had him in their arms, and then before you knew it, he would spin right out of a jam.

Chase is still at Texas State. He started a few games last year as a red-shirt freshman, when the starting QB was hurt.

[PackAttack2005]

What was Clint Renfro's best 300m hurdles time in either 2004 or 2005?

[CCHS77]

What was Clint Renfro's best 300m hurdles time in either 2004 or 2005?


Texas Track quotes the ten fastest in the state as;

300 Hurdles
36.76, Jammaal Charles, Port Arthur Memorial
37.24*, Clint Renfro, Southlake Carroll
37.70, Kaiser Wade, El Paso, Hanks
37.79, John Thomas, LaPorte
37.84, Greg Rideaux, Plano
37.84*, Nicholas Makukutu, Fort Bend Marshall
37.90, Josh Wheller, Liberty-Eylau
37.96, Jason Perez, Klein Forest
37.96, Jansen Hyde, Mesquite Poteet

[LarryFine]

[QUOTE=jtk1519]Rivals.com has Mr. Rnfro listed at 6'0 165 (which means he's too tall to play for Tech :D ). I understand the sarcasm, but Tech had short WR early on because that was all we could recruit. Now the average HT is 6'1 and that includes Eric Morris in the group because he will play the hybrid RB/WR position Wes played. Success breeds success and now we are recruiting taller and bigger WR. 4 years ago, someone like Clint would be a shoe in for a ship at Tech. Now he is a better track recruit.

Which brings up another angle to the original question, anyone know which sport he would rather persue in college, track or football, assuming he had to pick only one?

[Texasfrog]

Texas Tech does have some taller WR's out at the X position. The slot Wr are the smaller & quicker ones.

On Renfro. I would be hardpressed to see him not play college football. I think its in his blood with the history of his dad and granddad (NFL). But , I dont know Renfro so who knows. I can say this.. "he'll have his choice of colleges to go to from all around the nation and every major Conference."

[pack4life]

Any chance we see Clint Renfro returning kicks this season? I think he would excell in special teams.

[dragonsdaddy]

he was on the ko return team when mckay went down. i was holding my breath with every return as he was running up against maniacs who would have liked nothing better than flying headlong into his tiny frame. he was often the lead blocker as he was the second line of deep guys. he was too valuable as a wo to take that risk, imo. i would fair catch every ko and let our offense have their shots.

[LarryFine]

Texas Tech does have some taller WR's out at the X position. The slot Wr are the smaller & quicker ones. You mean like 5'11 Danny Amendola and 5'8 Eric Morris? Even adding those 2 in, Tech's WR ave 6'1. Starters right now are 6'4, 210 Hicks, 6'4, 215 Filani, 6'3, 215 LA Reed or 6'6, 260 Olomua, and 5'11, 190 Amendola. :D

[Texasfrog]

You mean like 5'11 Danny Amendola and 5'8 Eric Morris? Even adding those 2 in, Tech's WR ave 6'1. Starters right now are 6'4, 210 Hicks, 6'4, 215 Filani, 6'3, 215 LA Reed or 6'6, 260 Olomua, and 5'11, 190 Amendola. :D

The last time I looked the "X" Wr are out on the ends. Those WR out on the ends for Texas Tech are usually the taller players like Reed & Filani.

The slot Wr (inside Wr) is usually the smaller & quicker dudes.

But, Mike Leach's Texas Tech offense most rules "Go out the door" and anything goes anyway. But, the taller Wr usually are out on the far ends.

Texas Tech is recruiting all types of Wr. I think the main thing Leach cares about is that they can catch the football and run.

[RGVBadBoy]

i just dont see how anyone can really believe that Renfro will NOT play Div I college ball!!!! lets face it, no matter how big he is, the kid is a stud, he runs stopwatch timed 4.3 40s and his track times in the hurdle show that he OBVIOUSLY has the speed to burn, IMO Renfro would be great at Tech, but SEVERAL universitys would love to have him, any school in the WAC would be ALLOVER a player like Renfro, Big10, Pac10, Big12 and every conference should be drooling at a shot to have this kid play on their team, IMO Renfro will weigh no less than 170lbs when he graduates from HS in the NEXT 2 YEARS....so its not like he doesnt have time to grow....by the way, Marvin Harrison is NO bigger than 165 maybe 170lbs and look how he's done, Renfro will be much the same type of player as any of the smaller elite WRs in the game...

[dragons08]

i just dont see how anyone can really believe that Renfro will NOT play Div I college ball!!!! lets face it, no matter how big he is, the kid is a stud, he runs stopwatch timed 4.3 40s and his track times in the hurdle show that he OBVIOUSLY has the speed to burn, IMO Renfro would be great at Tech, but SEVERAL universitys would love to have him, any school in the WAC would be ALLOVER a player like Renfro, Big10, Pac10, Big12 and every conference should be drooling at a shot to have this kid play on their team, IMO Renfro will weigh no less than 170lbs when he graduates from HS in the NEXT 2 YEARS....so its not like he doesnt have time to grow....by the way, Marvin Harrison is NO bigger than 165 maybe 170lbs and look how he's done, Renfro will be much the same type of player as any of the smaller elite WRs in the game... couldnt have said it any better myself

[SLC-Dad]

i just dont see how anyone can really believe that Renfro will NOT play Div I college ball!!!! lets face it, no matter how big he is, the kid is a stud, he runs stopwatch timed 4.3 40s and his track times in the hurdle show that he OBVIOUSLY has the speed to burn, IMO Renfro would be great at Tech, but SEVERAL universitys would love to have him, any school in the WAC would be ALLOVER a player like Renfro, Big10, Pac10, Big12 and every conference should be drooling at a shot to have this kid play on their team, IMO Renfro will weigh no less than 170lbs when he graduates from HS in the NEXT 2 YEARS....so its not like he doesnt have time to grow....by the way, Marvin Harrison is NO bigger than 165 maybe 170lbs and look how he's done, Renfro will be much the same type of player as any of the smaller elite WRs in the game...

you are right on it, RGV......you would think especially every WAC school would be after a player like Clint......Also can't believe that TCU isn't drooling over him....... :)

[LarryFine]

Let me be more specific TexasFrog:

Starting Receivers for Tech 2005:
Inside receiver at H: 5'11, 190 Danny Amendola

Inside Receiver at Y 215 LA Reed or 6'6, 260 Olomua

Outside receiver at Z, flanker 6'4, 215 Filani

Outside receiver at X 6'4, 210 Hicks

Receivers on the roster under 6'
5'8 Eric Morris, 5'11 Danny Amendola, 5'11 Anthony Jenkins, 5'11 Catron Houston.

Top targets in the 2006 class are 6'3 Ardon Tennell and 6'4 Tarrell Reese. Leach may recruit a 5'9 to 5'11 RB to play H, but probably won't in this class. Leach is on record as saying he likes to recruit the taller WR. He is doing it now because he can. We recruited Wes Welker and Nehimiah Glover because in 2000, that was what we could recruit.

Guys, lighten up on Clint Renfro. He will play college ball somewhere. It doesn't seem Big 12 teams are rushing to pick hip up just yet, but that could change during the season. I would love to see him at Tech playing football and running track, but due to the focus on D front 7 in this class and only taking 2, maybe 3 WR, it isn't likely to happen.

He is skinny and plays in a great system. I know all about hearing your WR/QB are product of the system, being a Red Raider.

[drgnbkr]

There's only one WR in the Rivals 100 list from Texas...6'5" 200# Adron Tennell from Irving..none of the WR's on the list are under 6', whatever that means...

[Texasfrog]

Let me be more specific TexasFrog:

Starting Receivers for Tech 2005:
Inside receiver at H: 5'11, 190 Danny Amendola

Inside Receiver at Y 215 LA Reed or 6'6, 260 Olomua

Outside receiver at Z, flanker 6'4, 215 Filani

Outside receiver at X 6'4, 210 Hicks

Receivers on the roster under 6'
5'8 Eric Morris, 5'11 Danny Amendola, 5'11 Anthony Jenkins, 5'11 Catron Houston.

Top targets in the 2006 class are 6'3 Ardon Tennell and 6'4 Tarrell Reese. Leach may recruit a 5'9 to 5'11 RB to play H, but probably won't in this class. Leach is on record as saying he likes to recruit the taller WR. He is doing it now because he can. We recruited Wes Welker and Nehimiah Glover because in 2000, that was what we could recruit.

Guys, lighten up on Clint Renfro. He will play college ball somewhere. It doesn't seem Big 12 teams are rushing to pick hip up just yet, but that could change during the season. I would love to see him at Tech playing football and running track, but due to the focus on D front 7 in this class and only taking 2, maybe 3 WR, it isn't likely to happen.

He is skinny and plays in a great system. I know all about hearing your WR/QB are product of the system, being a Red Raider.

Ya, I think the system at Texas Tech is crazy. But, it sure is tough to stop . Texas Tech got a great Wr in Danny Amendola. Saw the kid play a few times at the Woodlands and his a player and athlete.

Isnt the Fuller kid seeing alot of action also ? His right at (6-0) but has good wheels. Anthony Jenkins from Ennis also I think is going to get alot of P/T this season and his also right at (6-0).

I think Leach is going to always get a few (6-0) and under kids at the WR because there is so many great (6-0) WR in Texas High school football.

But, Texas Tech has some (6-0) and taller kids playing WR also.

Like I said before.. I think Leach cares more about if a kid can catch the football and do something with it after he catches it probably more than anything.

Its a tough offense to stop that for sure. The Univ-California defenses players said after the Holiday Bowl that they have , " Never seen anything like that before."

[NewSherriffInTown]

Tall WRs are great, I'm in year 5 of a fairly new dynasty with Baylor in NCAA Football 2004. My 5 WRs that see the field are 6'5, 6'3, 6'4, 6'0, and 6'6....lol

[RGVBadBoy]

think of some of the shorter WRs under 6' that have made an impact in major Div I College football over the recent years:

Chad Owens Hawaii 5'7 183 4.6
Niemia Glover TTech 5'7 175 4.6 (he was listed at a 4.36, but only ran 4.6 at pro days)
Carlos Francis TTech 5'9 185 4.25
Wayne Macgarity UT 5'9 190 4.5
Kerry Franks A&M 5'10 190 4.4
Lee Evans Wisconsin & Buffalo bills 5'10 1/2 190 4.33
Dieon Branch NE Patriots 5'9 193 4.3

not on of those guys is taller than 5'11 yet have all made HUGE contributions to their programs.....the list goes on and on.....

[VB Pack Fan]

Yes Dez Byrant is going to be awesome by the end of the season, and next year he could be one of the top recievers coming out. He should have played the whole year of 2004, if he had that SLC game could have been different.6,2 190 4.4 or 4.5 scary for db,s.

[dragonsdaddy]

how could it have been much better than he was? he didn't drop any, and was awesome. experience wouldn't have hurt, but neither would we have been hurt by having some film on him. he wouldn't have kept chase from scoring the winning td.

[pack0808]

how could it have been much better than he was? he didn't drop any, and was awesome. experience wouldn't have hurt, but neither would we have been hurt by having some film on him. he wouldn't have kept chase from scoring the winning td.


yeah huh ddaddy. if he had more experience we would have put him in at cb and he would have had an interception for a td to win the game. ;) you can always look back and use the what if's and the game might have had the exact same outcome but i would have loved to see hewitt 100 percent in that game. i still think the key was slc's defense though. that is what surprised me and lufkin. i heard all year how slc had a pretty weak defense but they sure did not play like it that day that is for sure. yes lufkin scored 30 points but they were a very difficult 30 points. lufkin was averaging over 40 before that one. even though lufkin tied it up with a few minutes left i never felt like they were going to win. i was much more crushed in 2002 when i thought lufkin had the game in hand. i was not as nauseated after the 2004 game. lol

[SLC-Dad]

yeah huh ddaddy. if he had more experience we would have put him in at cb and he would have had an interception for a td to win the game. ;) you can always look back and use the what if's and the game might have had the exact same outcome but i would have loved to see hewitt 100 percent in that game. i still think the key was slc's defense though. that is what surprised me and lufkin. i heard all year how slc had a pretty weak defense but they sure did not play like it that day that is for sure. yes lufkin scored 30 points but they were a very difficult 30 points. lufkin was averaging over 40 before that one. even though lufkin tied it up with a few minutes left i never felt like they were going to win. i was much more crushed in 2002 when i thought lufkin had the game in hand. i was not as nauseated after the 2004 game. lol

Pack, I think most of the Dragon faithful were most surprised that Lane only touched the ball 5-6 times in the 1st half. I think we expected to see a heavy dose of JL and then it just didn't happen. To your coaches' credit they corrected that at the beginning of the 2nd half, but then seemed to go away from him again as the game progressed.

Do you know if it was the game plan to focus on the passing game and use Lane more as decoy or just the way the game evolved??

[pack0808]

i guess they were trying to catch slc by surprise. lufkin did try to spread the ball out more last year then they did in 2003.

[TheDuke]

First of all Amendola is NOT 190! he is about 175 to 180 MAYBE!! he is alot smaller then you think. I saw him this summer and he is little!

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

First of all Amendola is NOT 190! he is about 175 to 180 MAYBE!! he is alot smaller then you think. I saw him this summer and he is little!
He wasn't that big in that all-star game I saw on TV after his senior year.

[CoppellCowboy57]

its funny how your talking about only two slc players who need to gain weight, there are meny other players who are as skinny as him...wow i havnt posted in a long time :) miss me?!

[dragonsdaddy]

there aren't any that play that compare with clint who weighs a smooth 150 as per the horses mouth yesterday.