Texas High Schools Offense

[Texasfrog]

I know that I've been excused of presenting lies and distortions by certain posters. But, I checked out a few web-sites to get some stats from some of the stronger teams in Texas from the 2004 season. The stats came from town/city newspapers (Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Abilene, Midland).

2004 Seasons:

SLC - 475 yds per game. (3,000y run / 4,500y pass)
Tyler Lee - 438 yds per game.
Midland Lee - 403 yds per game.
Abilene - 401 yds per game. (2,279y run/ 2,939y pass)
H. Westside - 398 yds per game. (2,527y run/ 2,246y pass)
Woodlands - 393 yds per game.
Midland High - 391 yds per game. (2,360y run/ 2,725y pass)
Denton Ryan - 384 yds per game. (2,528y run/ 2,854y pass)
Lufkin - 377 yds per game.
Allen - 382 yds per game. (2,264y run/ 2,329y pass)
Longview - 374 yds per game.
Clear Lake - 375 yds per game.
Judson - 372 yds per game.
North Shore - 357 yds per game.
Westfield - 350 yds per game.
P.A. memorial - 338 yds per game.
Katy - 330 yds per game.

This is some of the stronger Texas (5A) offensives from 2004. I think it is a strong display of offensive stats for (5A) Texas football.

[LeanderLions3033]

No Austin area teams? :confused:

[Texasfrog]

No Austin area teams? :confused:


Couldnt find any Austin area stats out of the paper. Shoot I had to hunt to find many of those stats. Maybe I'll go to Leander web-site and see what I can find. I would like to see how much offense Leander averages myself and what kind of balance they have.

[Big Daddy Cool]

North Shore - 357 yds per game.

Scary thing about that number is I or anyone you watched that team knows they could have racked up some astronomical numbers if they had so choosen to. Though in most games that season the starters were taking out late in the first quarter or early in the second. The Second String had usually given way to the third and fourth strings by mid to late third quarter. So there's no telling the nunbers they could ahve put up if they had stayed on the field an entire game.

[Texasfrog]

I checked out somemore stats from other teams out of Texas. I got one sets of stats right off one schools website (Evangel) and another out of the GCLsports (Ohio).

OHIO:

Moeller = 379 yard per game. ( 1,462 rush & 2,714 yd pass) x 11 games.
LaSalle = 331 yard per game. ( 1,233 rush & 2,078 yd pass) x 10 games.
St.Xavier = 325 yard per game. ( 1,869 rush & 1,388 yd pass) x 10 games.
Elder = 319 yard per game. ( 1,459 rush & 1,738 yd pass) x 10 games.

* I guess the reason its just 10 games is that's all they did stats for.
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I did Evangel Christian Academy vs (Springdale, Tx High "4A" , Longview, Abilene and West Monroe) x 5 games.

Those 5 games:

Evangel = 304 yard per game ( 671 rush & 849 yd pass) x 5 games.

[Texasfrog]

Scary thing about that number is I or anyone you watched that team knows they could have racked up some astronomical numbers if they had so choosen to. Though in most games that season the starters were taking out late in the first quarter or early in the second. The Second String had usually given way to the third and fourth strings by mid to late third quarter. So there's no telling the nunbers they could ahve put up if they had stayed on the field an entire game.

Ya, probably right there. I'm sure alot of the teams on that list could of racked up another 100 or so yards if they would of kept the "big dogs" in the game for 4 qts.

[jtk1519]

Just thought I would throw this out...

Abilene Cooper averaged 351 yards per game and last year was considered one of our slower offensive years.

[concha]

TF,

I have no desire to continue the animosity. I did not come on this site to insult or belittle Texas football, and indeed I have not. Also, I think it is clear to everyone here who it is that has accused you of lies and distortions. You are obviously a strong advocate of Texas football just as I am of Ohio ball, but being an advocate does not mean you need to falsely accuse others of simply being out to belittle your state. In the many posts I have made on a few different sites, you can probably find me talking smack here and there, but for every smack post or poke in the ribs I have given, I can guarantee you that I have spoken highly of Texas ball several times.

A little advice: Don't talk ridiculous smack like accusing a state of being full of "3 yards and a cloud of dust" teams that run 90% of the time when that is so clearly wrong and so easily disprovable. When it is disproved, game over. You just look silly trying to switch the argument by using a team (Moeller) that PASSES over half the time! Don't fight season stats for 3 teams with stats for just one game. And when someone indicates a notable size disadvantage (true), it is not negated by pointing out a single smallish player on the "other" team. And need I mention your talk of Terrill Byrd (who you state you have seen play) being nearly 50 pounds lighter than he really is?

Peace offered.

[Texasfrog]

TF,

I have no desire to continue the animosity. I did not come on this site to insult or belittle Texas football, and indeed I have not. Also, I think it is clear to everyone here who it is that has accused you of lies and distortions. You are obviously a strong advocate of Texas football just as I am of Ohio ball, but being an advocate does not mean you need to falsely accuse others of simply being out to belittle your state. In the many posts I have made on a few different sites, you can probably find me talking smack here and there, but for every smack post or poke in the ribs I have given, I can guarantee you that I have spoken highly of Texas ball several times.

A little advice: Don't talk ridiculous smack like accusing a state of being full of "3 yards and a cloud of dust" teams that run 90% of the time when that is so clearly wrong and so easily disprovable. When it is disproved, game over. You just look silly trying to switch the argument by using a team (Moeller) that PASSES over half the time! Don't fight season stats for 3 teams with stats for just one game. And when someone indicates a notable size disadvantage (true), it is not negated by pointing out a single smallish player on the "other" team. And need I mention your talk of Terrill Byrd (who you state you have seen play) being nearly 50 pounds lighter than he really is?

Peace offered.

Dang dude,, you almost sound reasonable than you again accuse me of making a false statment. Again,, if I posted that the byrd kid is 50 lbs lighter than what he is... it's because the 2004 Colerain roster has him listed as 237 lbs. So, go tell the Colerain school webmaster that they are not making the heights and weights right on the school roster ok.

Also, like I said before ( please read the whole thing). The 2004 Colerain team ran 95% of the time. If you want to dispute this with go ahead but it a fact.

The 2003 Elder team (that won Ohio's title) ran the ball. Then they ran it more. That was their offense. They didnt really have a passing game.

But let me show you this sense you're a STAT dude. Not talking noise with you just showing you STATS. I got these STATS out of the Houston Chronicle (dated Nov.9, 2004) & the GCLsports.com (Catholic league stats) in Ohio. So, if you want to excuse me of misinformation and distortions go check out those ok.

These are all 10 game STATS:

Houston area team leaders (5A) x 10 games:

RUSH Pass Total GM Avg
Klein Collins : 3,224 : 903 : 4,127 : 412 yd
Westside : 2,331 : 1,762 : 4,093 : 409 yd
Woodlands : 2,052 : 1,879 : 3,931 : 393 yd
Lufkin : 2,441 : 1,484 : 3,925 : 392 yd
Clear Lake : 3,433 : 419 : 3,852 : 385 yd
North shore : 2,449 : 1,293 : 3,742 : 374 yd
Bellaire : 2,659 : 1,038 : 3,697 : 369 yd
Hightower : 2,624 : 1,041 : 3,665 : 366 yd
Springwood : 2,615 : 1,049 : 3,664 : 366 yd


Ohio 4 big Catholics x 10 games

Rush Pass Total Gm Avg
Moeller : 1,462 : 2,714 : 4,176 : 379 yd
LaSalle : 1,233 : 2,078 : 3,311 : 331 yd
St. Xavier : 1,869 : 1,388 : 3,257 : 325 yd
Elder : 1,459 : 1,738 : 3,197 : 319 yd

Now I'm not trying to be Devil's Advocate here for you. But, when you look at these Rush/Pass/ Stats after 10 regular season games. It looks on the surface like the Texas teams have alot stronger "RUNNING GAMES" & balance it out with some decent passing. Most of those Texas teams also have what you would truly call "Dual-threat QB" that can Run/Pass it .

Just so you know. Probably the two best teams on that Houston list are Lufkin and Clear Lake for the 2004 season.

Now I'm just comparing STATS :)

[concha]

I checked out somemore stats from other teams out of Texas. I got one sets of stats right off one schools website (Evangel) and another out of the GCLsports (Ohio).

OHIO:

Moeller = 379 yard per game. ( 1,462 rush & 2,714 yd pass) x 11 games.
LaSalle = 331 yard per game. ( 1,233 rush & 2,078 yd pass) x 10 games.
St.Xavier = 325 yard per game. ( 1,869 rush & 1,388 yd pass) x 10 games.
Elder = 319 yard per game. ( 1,459 rush & 1,738 yd pass) x 10 games.

* I guess the reason its just 10 games is that's all they did stats for.
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I did Evangel Christian Academy vs (Springdale, Tx High "4A" , Longview, Abilene and West Monroe) x 5 games.

Those 5 games:

Evangel = 304 yard per game ( 671 rush & 849 yd pass) x 5 games.

I'm not sure what this shows. All those Ohio teams are either very close to making your list or comfortably on it (Moe). Colerain averaged 428 yards per game. I'm sure a review of teams like Ignatius, Harding, St. Edward, Glenville, Centerville etc would put them all well over 300 yards per game.

Oh, and as I have pointed out several times, one look at the stats you posted clearly indicates a lack of 90% rushing teams in Ohio....

[concha]

Dang dude,, you almost sound reasonable than you again accuse me of making a false statment. Again,, if I posted that the byrd kid is 50 lbs lighter than what he is... it's because the 2004 Colerain roster has him listed as 237 lbs. So, go tell the Colerain school webmaster that they are not making the heights and weights right on the school roster ok. [OK. But when you saw him play you couldn't tell he was the better part of 290? Not a very good eye... :D ]

Also, like I said before ( please read the whole thing). The 2004 Colerain team ran 95% of the time. If you want to dispute this with go ahead but it a fact. [Never disputed this at all. Now, your blanket description of Ohio as being full of teams that run 90% of the time is another issue.]

The 2003 Elder team (that won Ohio's title) ran the ball. Then they ran it more. That was their offense. They didnt really have a passing game. [Actually, that's wrong. They passed for nearly 40% of their yardage for the season, about 130 yards per game versus 225 rushing]

But let me show you this sense you're a STAT dude. Not talking noise with you just showing you STATS. I got these STATS out of the Houston Chronicle (dated Nov.9, 2004) & the GCLsports.com (Catholic league stats) in Ohio. So, if you want to excuse me of misinformation and distortions go check out those ok.

These are all 10 game STATS:

Houston area team leaders (5A) x 10 games:

RUSH Pass Total GM Avg
Klein Collins : 3,224 : 903 : 4,127 : 412 yd
Westside : 2,331 : 1,762 : 4,093 : 409 yd
Woodlands : 2,052 : 1,879 : 3,931 : 393 yd
Lufkin : 2,441 : 1,484 : 3,925 : 392 yd
Clear Lake : 3,433 : 419 : 3,852 : 385 yd
North shore : 2,449 : 1,293 : 3,742 : 374 yd
Bellaire : 2,659 : 1,038 : 3,697 : 369 yd
Hightower : 2,624 : 1,041 : 3,665 : 366 yd
Springwood : 2,615 : 1,049 : 3,664 : 366 yd


Ohio 4 big Catholics x 10 games

Rush Pass Total Gm Avg
Moeller : 1,462 : 2,714 : 4,176 : 379 yd
LaSalle : 1,233 : 2,078 : 3,311 : 331 yd
St. Xavier : 1,869 : 1,388 : 3,257 : 325 yd
Elder : 1,459 : 1,738 : 3,197 : 319 yd

Now I'm not trying to be Devil's Advocate here for you. But, when you look at these Rush/Pass/ Stats after 10 regular season games. It looks on the surface like the Texas teams have alot stronger "RUNNING GAMES" & balance it out with some decent passing. Most of those Texas teams also have what you would truly call "Dual-threat QB" that can Run/Pass it .

Just so you know. Probably the two best teams on that Houston list are Lufkin and Clear Lake for the 2004 season.

Now I'm just comparing STATS :)

[My head is spinning here. Haven't you been accusing Ohio of being full of "3 yards and a cloud of dust" teams that run 90% of the time? But the numbers you show here show the Ohio teams to pass MORE than the Texas teams and, at a glance, be more balanced! :eek: Say it ain't so! Haven't you just proven yourself wrong? Or are you just completely changing your argument now? What's the deal?]



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[Texasfrog]

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See Concha, you take a small example ( 10 houston area teams) and leap like your getting ready to "Jump the Grand Canyon." There is about 40 more Houston area 5A teams buddy.

I didnt list the Top Dallas area teams, Top San Antonio area teams, Top Austin area teams, top Deep East Texas area teams.

Next,, those 4 Catholic area teams pass more than the Texas teams ? Lets see this again..

Moeller (11 games) everyone else (10 games).

Moeller - 2,714 yards passing & 1,462 rushing. ** 11 GAMES **
LaSalle - 2,078 yards passing & 1,233 rushing.
St.Xav.- 1,388 yards pasing & 1,869 rushing.
Elder - 1,738 yards passing & 1,459 rushing.

Houston Westside - 1,762 yds passing & 2,331 rushing
Woodlands - 1,879 yds passing & 2,052 rushing.
Lufkin - 1,484 yds pasing. & 2,441 rushing.
North Shore - 1,297 yds pasing. & 2,449 rushing.

I'll give you that Moeller and LaSalle have more passing yards, but their RUSHING games are sub-par. (1,462 and 1,233 yard rushing) ??

Again,, you looking at a small example of just 10 of the Houston area teams. There is right at 330 Texas 5A schools and about 100 Texas 4A's that can play with many of those..

Also. I looked at the Univ-Cincinnati recruits:

Dominic Goodman - 15 games - 28/44 - 584 yds passing - 6 tds.
* now that comes out to an average of 3 passes a game for 40 yds ***

Colerain ran first, ran second, ran third, ran fourth, heck they ran fifth..." 3 yards and cloud of dust."

Again,, I'm just showing you stats. If you want to call them lies or spin then that great.

[Purple Haze]

Just thought I would throw this out...

Abilene Cooper averaged 351 yards per game and last year was considered one of our slower offensive years.

Great numbers but your D gave up 361 yards a game :D . Naw..I just made that number up. But they did give up a lot of yards and points last year. I'll bet they come no where near the points given up last year in 2005. :cool:

[concha]

See Concha, you take a small example ( 10 houston area teams) and leap like your getting ready to "Jump the Grand Canyon." There is about 40 more Houston area 5A teams buddy. [If you don't like the results of the information you post, then don't post it! That is YOUR information. It contradicts YOUR previous argument! You're posting claims, then posting information that clearly contradicts it, and then I'M in the wrong for pointing it out. LMAO..... :rolleyes: ]

I didnt list the Top Dallas area teams, Top San Antonio area teams, Top Austin area teams, top Deep East Texas area teams. [No, you posted a list with information that makes prior cliams you have made look ridiculous. I ask again, are you changing your tune? Are you pulling a 180 with your argument????]

Next,, those 4 Catholic area teams pass more than the Texas teams ? Lets see this again.. [Again, maestro, you're changng the tune!!! You accuse Ohio teams of running 90% of the time and being unbalanced offensively. The list you showed had the Ohio teams with clearly higher passing yardage percentages than the Texas teams you posted and the Texas teams thus relatively more run heavy. You are showing yourself TO BE WRONG.]

Moeller (11 games) everyone else (10 games).

Moeller - 2,714 yards passing & 1,462 rushing. ** 11 GAMES **
LaSalle - 2,078 yards passing & 1,233 rushing.
St.Xav.- 1,388 yards pasing & 1,869 rushing.
Elder - 1,738 yards passing & 1,459 rushing.

Houston Westside - 1,762 yds passing & 2,331 rushing
Woodlands - 1,879 yds passing & 2,052 rushing.
Lufkin - 1,484 yds pasing. & 2,441 rushing.
North Shore - 1,297 yds pasing. & 2,449 rushing.

[Nice job cherry-picking the most balanced Texas teams from your previous list. Hilarious!!!!!! And the Texas teams are STILL more run heavy than the "3 yards and a cloud of dust" Ohio teams - by far! LMAO. :D ]

I'll give you that Moeller and LaSalle have more passing yards, but their RUSHING games are sub-par. (1,462 and 1,233 yard rushing) ??

Again,, you looking at a small example of just 10 of the Houston area teams. There is right at 330 Texas 5A schools and about 100 Texas 4A's that can play with many of those..

Also. I looked at the Univ-Cincinnati recruits:

Dominic Goodman - 15 games - 28/44 - 584 yds passing - 6 tds.
* now that comes out to an average of 3 passes a game for 40 yds ***

Colerain ran first, ran second, ran third, ran fourth, heck they ran fifth..." 3 yards and cloud of dust." [SIGH. :rolleyes: This is ONE TEAM. ONE. An OPTION team at that. "Colerain" does not equal "Ohio" (which has some 700-odd teams). You will not find another team in Ohio D1 that runs even remotely as much as Colerain does. Not one. :rolleyes: ]

Again,, I'm just showing you stats. If you want to call them lies or spin then that great.

You're showing me stats that prove you wrong! :D

[pack0808]

Scary thing about that number is I or anyone you watched that team knows they could have racked up some astronomical numbers if they had so choosen to. Though in most games that season the starters were taking out late in the first quarter or early in the second. The Second String had usually given way to the third and fourth strings by mid to late third quarter. So there's no telling the nunbers they could ahve put up if they had stayed on the field an entire game.



big daddy that goes for all dominant programs so you cannot go by that. lufkin had their starters out by half or by the early third quarter and called off the dogs in the vast majority of their games because of blowouts. i am sure it was the same thing for slc, judson, katy etc etc. blowouts are part of being on a great program. i have never seen a team take their starters out in the 1st quarter by the way?? i hardly ever have seen them take them out in the 2nd quarter and i have watched a lot of football. that is hard to believe?? either you are not thinking correctly or your head coach is the nicest football coach in history.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

The majority of our yards came from Mr. Jamaal Charles. :D

[NewSherriffInTown]

TexasFrog...


you just got BLASTED by Concha right there. Your stats were HORRIBLE for your points. I think you should stop calling Concha out because he killed you on this one. Both of you were spinning like Tea Cups in Disney World for a while there, but once you broke out the stats, you blew it because your stats didn't prove anything.


First you wanted to say that Texas offense is balanced and Ohio is all running, and what happened?? You showed that those Ohio teams passed for more yardage than they ran.


Tyler Lee is now going to lose just because you stink at statistically arguing.

I should know, I LOVE stats. In fact, I record full game and individual stats at every game that I attend.

[Texasfrog]

NewSheriffinTown.. considering that you're a transplanted New Yorker and probably have never even seen a Texas High school football in person I'll go ahead and forgive ya.

Yes, I still believe that most of the Ohio schools run and than run more.

I went to the Catholic site and post what I found out. If I was afraid to post it I wouldnt of ok Mr. Time Square.

In fact, Concha told me to take a looks at 3 schools ( Moeller, St.Xavier and Elder) from 2004 and I did. I even posted their stats.

" I still believe that 90% of the Ohio schools "RUN" for 90% of their offense.

I can tell you that the 2003 Elder (Ohio champs) and 2004 Colerain (Ohio Champs) ran for 95% of their offense.

The amazing thing about it is when you look at the STATS. The Texas teams have stronger "balanced offensives" and the running games are alot stronger.

But, you know something there "Empire State building ?" You can look at 2004 Rivals Top players at the QB & RB position compared to another State. I think its funny how Texas has alot of these so called top rated "skill athletes" running their offensives on the high school level.

Texas
Dual-QB's - 11
Passing QB - 7
AP-Backs - 18
RBs - 17

Several of these kids played on the same high school team. If you look at the Sr & Jr classes you will see several of the QB, RB and WR's on Texas top offensive teams playing on Saturdays. Probably more in Texas on average than any other State. The Texas backfields in High school are very strong.

Again, the Texas offensives are alot more balanced and have "ALOT" stronger running attacks to go with that balance passing games. It sure also looks like Texas has more top skilled athletes (College Level) running the skill positions (QB, RB, WR) than you know what other State.

Just on a few of the Texas teams with college level (QB & RB) from last year.

Port Arther Memorial:

QB- Donovan Porterie - New Mexico (Rivals Top 30 QB)
RB-Jamaal Charles - Texas (Rivals Top 30 RB)

Houston Westside
QB-Marcus Jackson - TCU
RB- RJ Jackson - LSU (Rivals Top 30)

Southlake Carroll:
QB- Chase Daniel - Missouri (Rivals Top 30 QB)
RB - Aaron Luna - Rice (baseball) & probably football.

Midland Lee:
QB- Jamie McCoy - Tx A&M (Rivals Top 30 QB)
RB- Trent Hines (Jr) - Tx A&M verbal.

Abilene:QB- Taylor Potts (Jr) - Tx Tech verbal
RB- Kobey Lewis - Tx Tech

Plfugerville:

QB- Todd Walker - Tx Tech
RB- Evan Robertson - North Texas

Every year many of the top Texas teams have loaded backfields with (college level talent) that you will see on Saturdays and some will make it to Sundays.

This year I think that Tyler Lee's backfield ( QB- Preston Hill & RB - Jason Williams) will be D-1A blue-chips. So we will see, I think they will have a very good balanced offense with a powerful running game.

PS. Do they even play High school football in New York ? Just wondering. :)

[concha]

NewSheriffinTown.. considering that you're a transplanted New Yorker and probably have never even seen a Texas High school football in person I'll go ahead and forgive ya.

Yes, I still believe that most of the Ohio schools run and than run more. [Okey-dokey!!!! Hey, why let actual facts get in the way of your beliefs, right? LMAO. Credibility, meet the toilet..... LMAO]

I went to the Catholic site and post what I found out. If I was afraid to post it I wouldnt of ok Mr. Time Square. [I think you simply overlooked that the facts/stats show you to be just plain WRONGOLA!]

In fact, Concha told me to take a looks at 3 schools ( Moeller, St.Xavier and Elder) from 2004 and I did. I even posted their stats.

" I still believe that 90% of the Ohio schools "RUN" for 90% of their offense. [Based on what????????????????????????????????????? One or two tapes you've seen? Even Elder in their 2003 title game was nowhere near 90% with Bradley Glathaar running his tuckus off all game. Let us know when you return to reality.]

I can tell you that the 2003 Elder (Ohio champs) and 2004 Colerain (Ohio Champs) ran for 95% of their offense. [Elder. No. Not even remotely close. This is simply an assinine assertion. I have already told you this. I liken this debate with you to you saying that water is dry, then me telling you that water is wet, you deny it, then throwing you IN the water, and having you KEEP ON DENYING THAT WATER IS WET. What a joke. And Colerain proves nothing about Ohio overall. They are the only option team in all of Ohio D1. It's like using Yao to prove that all Chinese must be 7 1/2 feet tall.]

The amazing thing about it is when you look at the STATS. The Texas teams have stronger "balanced offensives" and the running games are alot stronger. [They have showed just the opposite in terms of balance. How dim can a person be?]

But, you know something there "Empire State building ?" You can look at 2004 Rivals Top players at the QB & RB position compared to another State (Ohio). I think its funny how Texas has approx.

Texas & O.
Dual-QB - 11 / 4
Passing QB - 7 / 3
AP-Backs - 18 / 2
RBs - 17 / 6

Again, the Texas offensives are alot more balanced and have "ALOT" stronger running attacks to go with that balance passing games. It sure also looks like Texas has more top skilled athletes (College Level) running the skill positions (QB, RB, WR) than you know what other State. [Texas does turn out more talent. I myself have stated this on this very site. However, you are also comparing states with vastly different populations here, so those numbers are skewed.]

Just on a few of the Texas teams with college level (QB & RB) from last year.

Port Arther Memorial:

QB- Donovan Porterie - New Mexico (Rivals Top 30 QB)
RB-Jamaal Charles - Texas (Rivals Top 30 RB)

Houston Westside
QB-Marcus Jackson - TCU
RB- RJ Jackson - LSU (Rivals Top 30)

Southlake Carroll:
QB- Chase Daniel - Missouri (Rivals Top 30 QB)
RB - Aaron Luna - Rice (baseball) & probably football.

Midland Lee:
QB- Jamie McCoy - Tx A&M (Rivals Top 30 QB)
RB- Trent Hines (Jr) - Tx A&M verbal.

Abilene:QB- Taylor Potts (Jr) - Tx Tech verbal
RB- Kobey Lewis - Tx Tech

Plfugerville:

QB- Todd Walker - Tx Tech
RB- Evan Robertson - North Texas

Every year many of the top Texas teams have loaded backfields with (college level talent) that you will see on Saturdays and some will make it to Sundays.

This year I think that Tyler Lee's backfield ( QB- Preston Hill & RB - Jason Williams) will be D-1A blue-chips. So we will see, I think they will have a very good balanced offense with a powerful running game.

PS. Do they even play High school football in New York ? Just wondering. :)

These are just a few examples of Texas backfields off of some of the stonger 5A teams from last year.

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[Texasfrog]

Concha, I dont doubt for one second that I wont find another top #20 Ohio team that runs as much as Colerain. Colerain only averaged 3 passes a game. I believe that Gooodmans stats are something like (22-44-600 yd- 6td) passing. So, yes I believe that Colerain probably is the #1 rushing team %%% wise in Ohio. They run 99% of the time. They are mid-line option team.

Next, you say that those Texas teams pass more than those 4 Ohio schools that I posted ? Well, it sure looks like it to me. I told you I'll give you that Moeller had a passing team ( there running game isnt that good though is it ?)

Also remember those Moeller stats were based on 11 games. Everyone's else's was based on 10.

I bet that Moeller probably was the #1 passing team in OHIO .. I bet they were for the big school class.

But, St. XAVIER & Elder ? ( 1,388 pass & 1,738 pass) for 10 games.

It sure looks like Westside, Woodlands, Lufkin put up just as big and bigger passing yards in 10 games ( 1,762 ; 1,879 ; 1,485). Its just that the Texas schools running game seems to be alot more POWERFUL. But, heck man look at Westside and Lufkin.

RB- RJ Jackson (LSU) -- Rivals Top 30
RB- J. Lane (Tx A&M) -- Rivals Top 30

Just looking at those stats from those 4 Ohio Catholic schools compared to a few of the Houston area 5A teams. It appears on the surface that the Houston area teams have stronger more balanced offensives with alot stronger running games.

Was Moeller the #1 passing team in Ohio in 2004 ? I'm talking big school also. Also, a big school to me is a school that has over 2,000 kids.

[Big Daddy Cool]

big daddy that goes for all dominant programs so you cannot go by that. lufkin had their starters out by half or by the early third quarter and called off the dogs in the vast majority of their games because of blowouts. i am sure it was the same thing for slc, judson, katy etc etc. blowouts are part of being on a great program. i have never seen a team take their starters out in the 1st quarter by the way?? i hardly ever have seen them take them out in the 2nd quarter and i have watched a lot of football. that is hard to believe?? either you are not thinking correctly or your head coach is the nicest football coach in history.


Well Coach Aymond is indeed probably one of the nicest coaches in Texas. If you catch a Friday night where Lufkin isn't playing make the drive here or come see us when we play Woodlands at Moorehead this coming season. No mistaken he has done this kind of thing for the last several years. He calls the dogs off most of the time before the first half even ends. The only time i have ever seen the starters still on the field after halftime would be during the playoffs.

[Texasfrog]

Concha,, you can prove me wrong. What were the stats for Elder in 2004 ? Show me the site and the stats ? You running your mouth doesnt do it buddy.

Also, Texas doesnt turn out more talent ? Wow, I can "ONLY" hope that you dont believe that Ohio turns out more talent. I mean "whoooo" ....???!!!!

That would be very very easy to PROVE WRONG.

Again.. if I was afraid to show STATS I wouldnt do it. You told me to take a look at those 3 schools and I did. I even posted the Stats clown. Those 3 schools throw it like about 150 Texas schools do, just that those 150 Texas schools have a running game that appears on the surface to be "ALOT STRONGER" so swallow that pill buddy. I know its tough but it will go down.

But, than again you can look at the "athletes" playing at those Texas schools backfields and see that. Rivals prooves that buddy.. go look at each position (QB, RB & Wr) and see.

Really looking those STATS even proofed more to me how "balanced" overall the Texas offensives are and how "POWERFUL" the Texas running games are.

Again,, I have a hunch that Moeller was probably Ohio's #1 passing school for the big school class.

[concha]

Concha, I dont doubt for one second that I wont find another top #20 Ohio team that runs as much as Colerain. Colerain only averaged 3 passes a game. I believe that Gooodmans stats are something like (22-44-600 yd- 6td) passing. So, yes I believe that Colerain probably is the #1 rushing team %%% wise in Ohio. They run 99% of the time. They are mid-line option team.

[Then why even mention them? No other Ohio D1 team comes within ICBM range of them in terms of pass:rush ratio]

Next, you say that those Texas teams pass more than those 4 Ohio schools that I posted ? Well, it sure looks like it to me. I told you I'll give you that Moeller had a passing team ( there running game isnt that good though is it ?) [Your whole deal has been balance. "Balance" is a relative concept, meaning the ratio of passes to rushes or pass yardage to rushing yardage. The Texas teams dependence on rushing yardage (as a % of total yardage) is MUCH higher than that of the Ohio teams as a general rule.]

Also remember those Moeller stats were based on 11 games. Everyone's else's was based on 10.

I bet that Moeller probably was the #1 passing team in OHIO .. I bet they were for the big school class. [No idea, probably up there, but I cannot say]

But, St. XAVIER & Elder ? ( 1,388 pass & 1,738 pass) for 10 games.

It sure looks like Westside, Woodlands, Lufkin put up just as big and bigger passing yards in 10 games ( 1,762 ; 1,879 ; 1,485). Its just that the Texas schools running game seems to be alot more POWERFUL. But, heck man look at Westside and Lufkin.

RB- RJ Jackson (LSU) -- Rivals Top 30
RB- J. Lane (Tx A&M) -- Rivals Top 30

Just looking at those stats from those 4 Ohio Catholic schools compared to a few of the Houston area 5A teams. It appears on the surface that the Houston area teams have stronger more balanced offensives with alot stronger running games. [OR, Ohio teams might just be tend to load up their defenses more than their offenses relative to Texas teams. It is just as easy to say that Ohio defenses are relatively stronger than Texas defenses as it is to say that Texas offenses are simply more powerful. Offensive yardage is a function of TWO things: the offense itself and the quality of the defenses they face, after all]

Was Moeller the #1 passing team in Ohio in 2004 ? I'm talking big school also. Also, a big school to me is a school that has over 2,000 kids. [Moe is right about that size. Again, no idea if they were the #1 passing team]


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[concha]

Concha,, you can prove me wrong. What were the stats for Elder in 2004 ? Show me the site and the stats ? You running your mouth doesnt do it buddy. [Dear Tina, Here is the site: Elder 2004 Stats (http://stats.sportshuddle.com/FanPages/Sports/Football/Common/SeasonStats_Team.asp?TeamID={4763A079-88FE-4777-9B94-341B03E8483F}&setTeamType=3&setAffiliate=Cinc&setSeason={B0104FA9-BD6B-4CB5-BAC6-5E85EE243B29})

Love, Ike]

Also, Texas doesnt turn out more talent ? Wow, I can "ONLY" hope that you dont believe that Ohio turns out more talent. I mean "whoooo" ....???!!!!

[Get "Hooked on Phonics". I stated that Texas DOES turn out more. I simply pointed out that Texas is Also much bigger than Ohio to begin with, so the differences you showed are exaggerated by Texas' sheer size]

That would be very very easy to PROVE WRONG.

Again.. if I was afraid to show STATS I wouldnt do it. You told me to take a look at those 3 schools and I did. I even posted the Stats clown. Those 3 schools throw it like about 150 Texas schools do, just that those 150 Texas schools have a running game that appears on the surface to be "ALOT STRONGER" so swallow that pill buddy. I know its tough but it will go down. [Tina, the dain bramage you appear to have suffered from my pummelings is obviously quite severe. You've even got fellow Texans pointing out how ridiculously you are being thrashed. And you just don't get it. Sad....

Love, Ike]

But, than again you can look at the "athletes" playing at those Texas schools backfields and see that. Rivals prooves that buddy.. go look at each position (QB, RB & Wr) and see.

Really looking those STATS even proofed more to me how "balanced" overall the Texas offensives are and how "POWERFUL" the Texas running games are.

Again,, I have a hunch that Moeller was probably Ohio's #1 passing school for the big school class.
[I will advise Coach Crable so that they can begin the celebrations immediately]


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[Texasfrog]

O Boy... I was waiting for the defense thing. I can promise you that the top # 5 or so Ohio teams dont play defense any better than the top #15 Texas teams.

You can sit here and pretend that in your mind but that's a myth and dream.

Also, you're taking a very small %% of Houston area teams and running with it. I do think its crazy that those Houston area teams have "SUCH A HUGE LEAD WITH THE RUNNING GAME". That's all.

I mean Moeller after 13 games ( 3,066 pass yds & 1,786 rush yds) for 373 average per game. This is also one of Ohio's top #4 teams and probably the #1 passing team in Ohio.

Texas:

Abilene X 13 games ( 2,939 yds pass & 2,279 yds rush)- 401 avg.
Midland High x 13 games ( 2,725 yds pass & 2,360 yds rush) - 391 avg.



Abilene:
QB- Taylor Potts - Tx Tech
RB- Kobey Lewis - Tx Tech

Midland High:

RB- Baron Batch (Jr) - Tx Tech (verbal)

now, those are just two Texas schools that played the same amount of games 13 as Moeller. Those two Texas schools are both #25 Texas schools. Who has the better balance on offennnse ? Who has the Stronger running game to counter a decent passing game ?

Again, I believe that Texas has stronger overall balance (run/pass) and the running games appear to be stronger overall.

[concha]

O Boy... I was waiting for the defense thing. I can promise you that the top # 5 or so Ohio teams dont play defense any better than the top #15 Texas teams. [Promise all you like. You have no clue judging from what you've shown thus far.]

You can sit here and pretend that in your mind but that's a myth and dream. [Kinda like Ohio teams runnign 90% of the time? :rolleyes: :p ]

Also, you're taking a very small %% of Houston area teams and running with it. I do think its crazy that those Houston area teams have "SUCH A HUGE LEAD WITH THE RUNNING GAME". That's all. [No. Nyet. YOU took a very small % of Houston teams - not me. Get it straight.]

I mean Moeller after 13 games ( 3,066 pass yds & 1,786 rush yds) for 373 average per game. This is also one of Ohio's top #4 teams and probably the #1 passing team in Ohio. [Ummm.... no. Moeller was not one of Ohio's top 4 teams. For the last 10 years they are probably the 4th best program in Cincinnati, but they are not even close to being the #4 program in Ohio. Haven't been for years. Hey, here's an idea: Stop making crap up and talking BS. Heck, you have NO idea if Moeller was the #1 passing team in Ohio. Zero clue. You can't back it up.]

Texas:

Abilene X 13 games ( 2,939 yds pass & 2,279 yds rush)- 401 avg.
Midland High x 13 games ( 2,725 yds pass & 2,360 yds rush) - 391 avg.



Abilene:
QB- Taylor Potts - Tx Tech
RB- Kobey Lewis - Tx Tech

Midland High:

RB- Baron Batch (Jr) - Tx Tech (verbal)

now, those are just two Texas schools that played the same amount of games 13 as Moeller. Those two Texas schools are both #25 Texas schools. Who has the better balance on offennnse ? Who has the Stronger running game to counter a decent passing game ? [How long did it take to find those two? Can they match Moeller's rush:pass play ratio of 370:371 in terms of balance? They would have to have called exactly 50% of their plays passes and 50% rushes. Did they do that?]

Again, I believe that Texas has stronger overall balance (run/pass) and the running games appear to be stronger overall.

[What you "believe" is entirely IRRELEVANT. You are wrong. The numbers show it. Over and over and over.......]



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[Texasfrog]

Concha please buddy .... :confused: Texas is bigger no doubt ? I mean by just sheer land mass size its what ? 7 or 8 Ohio's no doubt. Heck probably more like 12 Ohio's.

But, population numbers ? The 2000 census.

Texas - 21 million
Ohio - 11.5 million.

So, Texas doesnt quite double Ohio in population.

NCAA D-1A Football scholarships..

State 2003-- 2002-- 2001-- 2000-- 1999-- 1998-- 1997-- 1996
1. Texas 345-- 366 --320-- 334-- 305-- 270-- 287-- 295
2. California 285-- 252-- 233-- 262-- 250-- 243-- 246-- 228
3. Florida 265-- 201-- 195-- 189-- 182-- 152-- 180-- 178
4. Georgia 123 131 108 105 92 83 89 64
5. Ohio 119-- 132-- 129-- 155-- 149-- 130-- 135-- 131
6. Louisiana 89 110 90 99 108 104 107 92
7. Alabama 76 73 84 78 69 60 56 53
8. Michigan 63 71 92 67 76 70 70 73
9. Pennsylvania 60 72 66 65 66 65 66 78
10. Illinois 57 53 69 69 82 61 63 66
TOTAL PLAYERS 2,225 2,240 2,185 2,198 2,109 2,001 2,076 1,950

I would say Texas puts out some D-1A players wouldnt you ?

Heck, you add the Texas D-1AA players on the list and start comparing it to other States its impressive also.

I'm going to try one of those stupid phrases like you do. " How do you like that upper cut ? Your face it getting bloody."

Naaaaa, that sounds as stupid as when you do those all the time ! :)

[NewSherriffInTown]

Frog Man...


The point is that you started this WHOLE debate with a quote somewhere along the lines of...


Ohio teams run 90% of the time

especially compared to Texas' balance.


Me seeing Texas HS football has ZERO to do with this. This has ZERO to do with football period.


It has to do with debating and discussion in accordance to numbers.


You said 90% of the teams run, and then showed that they actually pass for more, but let's just say all the Ohio teams' stats that we've seen show 60-40 or 55-45 percent in one direction of the other...


Once you realized this, you changed your tune to "they may throw but Texas' running game is much better"

and also changed it to "Texas has better dual QBs and better skill players"


WHO CARES??? THAT WAS NEVER THE POINT.

Seriously, these conversations need to end. You are embarrassing all the Texans on here.

You talk about me just moving to Texas, but you don't even live in Texas now. Okay, "Lone Star" or should I say "Coconut Grove?"

[Texasfrog]

Frog Man...


The point is that you started this WHOLE debate with a quote somewhere along the lines of...


Ohio teams run 90% of the time

especially compared to Texas' balance.


Me seeing Texas HS football has ZERO to do with this. This has ZERO to do with football period.


It has to do with debating and discussion in accordance to numbers.


You said 90% of the teams run, and then showed that they actually pass for more, but let's just say all the Ohio teams' stats that we've seen show 60-40 or 55-45 percent in one direction of the other...


Once you realized this, you changed your tune to "they may throw but Texas' running game is much better"

and also changed it to "Texas has better dual QBs and better skill players"


WHO CARES??? THAT WAS NEVER THE POINT.

Seriously, these conversations need to end. You are embarrassing all the Texans on here.

You talk about me just moving to Texas, but you don't even live in Texas now. Okay, "Lone Star" or should I say "Coconut Grove?"

WoooooW !!!!! Let me figure this out :confused: I was born and raised in Texas. Started playing Texas football when I was 11.. Literally have seen 100's of Texas High school games in person and played 3 years of Varsity football ( on the 4A level) and played in the Texas playoffs (Jr & Sr year).

Have family members that have and or coaching in Texas. One is a head coach that has taken Texas 5A and 3A teams to the playoffs several times and was a (OC) at a powerhouse team for about 10 years.( Kinda of powerful).

I have many friends that are coaching in Texas (right now). I go home every year and see about 3 to 4 games in person and have access to alot of Texas games (through hook-ups) from SLC, Lufkin, Abilene and ect.

YOU try to tell me that I dont live in Texas so this MEANS SOMETHING TO YOU ??? A New Yorker that has "NEVER" even seen a Texas football in person ! PLEASE buddy. Dang that kills me man.

PS. I may be over the top sometimes. I freely admit that. But, whooooo.

Also, Concha told me to look at those three schools. If I was afraid of posting something (which I never am) I wouldnt of posted anything. I post "ALWAYS" what I see.

PS. Just so you know there New Sherriff. Admiral Nimitz said once during WWII. By the way his a Texas boy. He said, " You can take a Texas boy out of Texas but you cant take the Texas out of the boy."

You "NEVER" even know or understand what that means because your a transplanted out of Stater.

The one thing I hope doesnt happen to Texas that I see here in Miami right now. Alot of transplanted , New Englanders and New Yorkers that bring that pissed off, mad, rude, I'm better than you, get out of my way attitude. See, I call Miami the Southern New York. Peace.

PS. Just so you know. Miami is a short stop in job, I'm on my way back to either Houston, Dallas or Austin as soon as possible. Probably 2006. "I CANT WAIT."

[Texasfrog]

Frog Man...


The point is that you started this WHOLE debate with a quote somewhere along the lines of...


Ohio teams run 90% of the time

especially compared to Texas' balance.


Me seeing Texas HS football has ZERO to do with this. This has ZERO to do with football period.


It has to do with debating and discussion in accordance to numbers.


You said 90% of the teams run, and then showed that they actually pass for more, but let's just say all the Ohio teams' stats that we've seen show 60-40 or 55-45 percent in one direction of the other...


Once you realized this, you changed your tune to "they may throw but Texas' running game is much better"

and also changed it to "Texas has better dual QBs and better skill players"


WHO CARES??? THAT WAS NEVER THE POINT.

Seriously, these conversations need to end. You are embarrassing all the Texans on here.

You talk about me just moving to Texas, but you don't even live in Texas now. Okay, "Lone Star" or should I say "Coconut Grove?"

Also Mr. Newsheriff. I would hardly say that me showing 4 examples of teams from Ohio is a majority of the Ohio teams huh ? Wouldnt you say that ? I still say that most of the Ohio teams are "run left, run right and run up the middle". That's my opinion.

Until I see the stat sheets from about 25 of the stronger Ohio teams I'll still believe that.

I show the stats from about 25 or so Texas teams only 4 Ohio teams. Hmmm.

[concha]

Concha please buddy .... :confused: Texas is bigger no doubt ? I mean by just sheer land mass size its what ? 7 or 8 Ohio's no doubt. Heck probably more like 12 Ohio's.

But, population numbers ? The 2000 census.

Texas - 21 million
Ohio - 11.5 million.

So, Texas doesnt quite double Ohio in population.

NCAA D-1A Football scholarships..

State 2003-- 2002-- 2001-- 2000-- 1999-- 1998-- 1997-- 1996
1. Texas 345-- 366 --320-- 334-- 305-- 270-- 287-- 295
2. California 285-- 252-- 233-- 262-- 250-- 243-- 246-- 228
3. Florida 265-- 201-- 195-- 189-- 182-- 152-- 180-- 178
4. Georgia 123 131 108 105 92 83 89 64
5. Ohio 119-- 132-- 129-- 155-- 149-- 130-- 135-- 131
6. Louisiana 89 110 90 99 108 104 107 92
7. Alabama 76 73 84 78 69 60 56 53
8. Michigan 63 71 92 67 76 70 70 73
9. Pennsylvania 60 72 66 65 66 65 66 78
10. Illinois 57 53 69 69 82 61 63 66
TOTAL PLAYERS 2,225 2,240 2,185 2,198 2,109 2,001 2,076 1,950

I would say Texas puts out some D-1A players wouldnt you ?

Heck, you add the Texas D-1AA players on the list and start comparing it to other States its impressive also.

I'm going to try one of those stupid phrases like you do. " How do you like that upper cut ? Your face it getting bloody."

Naaaaa, that sounds as stupid as when you do those all the time ! :)

Organic-Fertilizer-for-Brains:

1) Are you suggesting that +/- 10 million people isn't a significant difference? Nearly 100%?

2) I have already stated that Texas puts out more recruits in absolute and relative terms. Why are you parading around like Rainman acting like I haven't already acknowledged this?

[concha]

Seriously, these conversations need to end. You are embarrassing all the Texans on here.

You talk about me just moving to Texas, but you don't even live in Texas now. Okay, "Lone Star" or should I say "Coconut Grove?"

LMAO.

Nice shootin', Sherriff!

[concha]

Also Mr. Newsheriff. I would hardly say that me showing 4 examples of teams from Ohio is a majority of the Ohio teams huh ? Wouldnt you say that ? I still say that most of the Ohio teams are "run left, run right and run up the middle". That's my opinion.

Until I see the stat sheets from about 25 of the stronger Ohio teams I'll still believe that.

I show the stats from about 25 or so Texas teams only 4 Ohio teams. Hmmm.

This only shows laziness and stupidity.

Your opinion is based on ignorance and utter lack of desire to try to know just what the hell you are talking about.

Rather than making assinine comments and ignoring those who actaully know of what they speak (again and again and again), why not spend a little time actually educating yourself? You have access to the all-powerful internet!

[Texasfrog]

Organic-Fertilizer-for-Brains:

1) Are you suggesting that +/- 10 million people isn't a significant difference? Nearly 100%?

2) I have already stated that Texas puts out more recruits in absolute and relative terms. Why are you parading around like Rainman acting like I haven't already acknowledged this?

Tap Dancin as usual I see huh Concheeee.

Why does Texas put make Ohio look like "little sis" when it comes to D-1A recruits ?

Texas: (2003= 345), (2002= 132), (2001= 129), (2000= 155) = 1,365 D-1A

Ohio: (2003 =119), (2002 = 132), (2001 = 129), (2000 = 155) = 535 D-1A

Wow, Texas population is almost twice what Ohio is, but we put out almost three times the amount of D-1A football players. Go figure huh..


Wow, I see that Miami (Ohio) signed a Texas QB. Daniel Raudabaugh (Coppell,Tx). Wow. You would think they would have their choice of passers in Ohio.

[Texasfrog]

This only shows laziness and stupidity.

Your opinion is based on ignorance and utter lack of desire to try to know just what the hell you are talking about.

Rather than making assinine comments and ignoring those who actaully know of what they speak (again and again and again), why not spend a little time actually educating yourself? You have access to the all-powerful internet!


Well, little sister. Why dont you educate me and show me those top #20 Ohio teams and what their offensive stats are ?

Why did Miami (Ohio) sign a Texas QB ? Daniel Raudabaugh- Coppell, Tx.

[Texasfrog]

Organic-Fertilizer-for-Brains:

1) Are you suggesting that +/- 10 million people isn't a significant difference? Nearly 100%?

2) I have already stated that Texas puts out more recruits in absolute and relative terms. Why are you parading around like Rainman acting like I haven't already acknowledged this?


Relative terms ?? What the heck does Relative terms mean ? Texas puts out almost 3 times the D-1a recruits as Ohio with a population that is just 2 twice the size of Ohio.

Let see, Texas is just twice the size of Ohio but we put out 3 times the D-1A football players. I guess that's what relative means.

I thought relative was like "that my cousin" , "that's my Uncle."

[concha]

Frog,

Look.

You have been pummeled. Exposed. Destroyed.

You make one argument, get smacked around like a red-headed step-child, and then invent a new "argument" that doesn't even exist (ex. recruits).

For crying out loud, you even prove yourself wrong!

It's like watching a show on tv where you feel like you have to look away because you're embarrassed for one of the characters.

You are a football message board debating train wreck.

[drgnbkr]

Why are we fighting? Why are we fighting? Anyone remember that?

[Texasfrog]

This only shows laziness and stupidity.

Your opinion is based on ignorance and utter lack of desire to try to know just what the hell you are talking about.

Rather than making assinine comments and ignoring those who actaully know of what they speak (again and again and again), why not spend a little time actually educating yourself? You have access to the all-powerful internet!

By the way Conchee, You live in Georgia now ? I was in Georgia this year for about month and saw Camden County play twice. Gotta love that wing-T huh.

But, my best friends coaches in Georgia now (near Atlanta). He says the best school in Georgia this season was LaGrange.

[concha]

Relative terms ?? What the heck does Relative terms mean ? Texas puts out almost 3 times the D-1a recruits as Ohio with a population that is just 2 twice the size of Ohio.

Let see, Texas is just twice the size of Ohio but we put out 3 times the D-1A football players. I guess that's what relative means.

I thought relative was like "that my cousin" , "that's my Uncle."


I think the average IQ in Texas experienced a sharp increase after your flight to Miami left Texan airspace.

[Texasfrog]

Frog,

Look.

You have been pummeled. Exposed. Destroyed.

You make one argument, get smacked around like a red-headed step-child, and then invent a new "argument" that doesn't even exist (ex. recruits).

For crying out loud, you even prove yourself wrong!

It's like watching a show on tv where you feel like you have to look away because you're embarrassed for one of the characters.

You are a football message board debating train wreck.

Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah... I see that you do your typical "TAP DANCE" and just call people names and make comments.

Still waiting for you and all your wisdom to show me those stats. You say that I'm lying and telling distruths. "Show me the money as they say?"

Again, Conchee and double talk. One goes with the other doesnt it.

Show them to me amigo.

Again.. why does Texas have a population only twice the size of Ohio and but puts out 3 times the D-1A football players ? Did you do that math ?

[Xfballphenome05]

concha,i dont intend to be mean,but i dont think anybody on this board likes u.even a lil bit

[Texasfrog]

Why are we fighting? Why are we fighting? Anyone remember that?

Because unlike some of ya'll. I've seen this clown on another Texas web-site. His made a living out of putting down Texas football (even though he denies it).

His made post that try to show how teams like (SLC) didnt play defense. How so and so (Ohio) player would of crushed this or that line. Just alot of stupid stuff.

So, honestly I dont have alot of respect for the dude. He claims to have respect for Texas football, but he doesnt.

He goes by the same name on another web-site and many of his post back in December, January and Feb were blasting Texas football.

Oh ya I almost forgot.. thinks like:

Texas teams dont play defense..,,, Texas has alot of good average teams but its top tier teams are really not that good.,, and so forth and so on.

I just get a big kick out of him denying it all .

I have alot more respect for him if he would just go.. Ya, I trashed talked alot about Texas football back in January and February but I was just joking around and kidding. But NO... he denies it all.

I guess someone else is going by the same name of Concha and representing Ohio football on other sites.

[concha]

Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah... I see that you do your typical "TAP DANCE" and just call people names and make comments.

Still waiting for you and all your wisdom to show me those stats. You say that I'm lying and telling distruths. "Show me the money as they say?" [You made the claims. You made yourself look stupid by proving yourself to be wrong (way to go, Einstein! LMAO!). If you are so convinced you are right, then prove it yourself. You can try until the end of time, but you will still be wrong. I am FROM Ohio. I KNOW what i am talking about. Why not just ask an Italian to prove that they don't cook much spaghetti over there?]

Again, Conchee and double talk. One goes with the other doesnt it.

Show them to me amigo. [Oh, through the site that I GAVE TO YOU for the Elder 2004 stats (I was right, wasn't I????? YOU were wrong) you can look at stats just about every team in Cincinnati, lazy***]

Again.. why does Texas have a population only twice the size of Ohio and but puts out 3 times the D-1A football players ? Did you do that math ?
[ {Bored} I haven't argued about this. Unlike you, I don't try to deny the truth or argue against it. What a waste of time]



Look, Frog.

It's been fun (or, rather, you've been funny). But your assinine claims and attempts at arguments are just getting tedious.

In your little universe, your mind will probably think you have earned a great triumph. That's great. I hope so.

I just need a break to get back to some intelligent discussion. You just aren't capable of it.

[Texasfrog]

Look, Frog.

It's been fun (or, rather, you've been funny). But your assinine claims and attempts at arguments are just getting tedious.

In your little universe, your mind will probably think you have earned a great triumph. That's great. I hope so.

I just need a break to get back to some intelligent discussion. You just aren't capable of it.

Ok,, bye bye now.

[concha]

concha,i dont intend to be mean,but i dont think anybody on this board likes u.even a lil bit

:( :( :(

Have you taken a poll? Judging by your post, thinkng probably isn't a strength of yours, but thanks for the input.

[drgnbkr]

Conch, I have this vision of you with wall to wall mirrors around your computer so you can watch yourself as you struggle to come up with an effective, witty, rejoinder ....look yourself in the eye in one of your many mirrors and ask yourself..."am I really spending all of this time on a Texas high School Football Website making a fool of myself?" What was your answer? I say yes.... :eek:

[concha]

Conch, I have this vision of you with wall to wall mirrors around your computer so you can watch yourself as you struggle to come up with an effective, witty, rejoinder ....look yourself in the eye in one of your many mirrors and ask yourself..."am I really spending all of this time on a Texas high School Football Website making a fool of myself?" What was your answer? I say yes.... :eek:

A fool is someone who does something like this:

He says "Such-and-such state is filled with teams that run 90% of the time '3 yards and a cloud of dust'..."

He ignores someone actually from that state who might know what he is talking about and keeps flapping his gums about the assinine claim.

He then posts statistics. Statistics that show him to be wrong. But he is too dense to realize or recognize that fact, even when at least two different people point it out.

He still makes the assinine claim.

THAT is a fool.


drgnbkr,
I am curious. What is your take on Texasfrog's claims and arguments? Do you find them intelligent? Insightful? Do you even realize that he inadvertently argues against himself and shoots himself in the foot with shocking frequency? Do you? Or are you just one of the guys who decides to chime in now and then to show some support for him just because he is Texan, regardless of the dimwitted nature of his claims and his utter disregard for facts and common sense?

[Purple Haze]

drgnbkr, I am curious. What is your take on Texasfrog's claims and arguments? Do you find them intelligent? Insightful? Do you even realize that he inadvertently argues against himself and shoots himself in the foot with shocking frequency? Do you? Or are you just one of the guys who decides to chime in now and then to show some support for him just because he is Texan, regardless of the dimwitted nature of his claims and his utter disregard for facts and common sense?

I think you both have made some very valid points over the NUMEROUS posts that you two have made. I for one wish that you guys would give it a rest. It seems whatever topic the thread starts as, it turns into Ohio vs. Texas football. I have grown a little weary of it all and I imagine I am not the only one. You both have been sucked into the game titled: "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up". :mad: Please give it a rest. Where is the love? :cool: Look at my siggy below and remember that the next time you want to respond to the other..BTW, I am not calling either one of you a name- just want to make you feel better. :cool:

[Texasfrog]

A fool is someone who does something like this:

He says "Such-and-such state is filled with teams that run 90% of the time '3 yards and a cloud of dust'..."

He ignores someone actually from that state who might know what he is talking about and keeps flapping his gums about the assinine claim.

He then posts statistics. Statistics that show him to be wrong. But he is too dense to realize or recognize that fact, even when at least two different people point it out.

He still makes the assinine claim.

THAT is a fool.


drgnbkr,
I am curious. What is your take on Texasfrog's claims and arguments? Do you find them intelligent? Insightful? Do you even realize that he inadvertently argues against himself and shoots himself in the foot with shocking frequency? Do you? Or are you just one of the guys who decides to chime in now and then to show some support for him just because he is Texan, regardless of the dimwitted nature of his claims and his utter disregard for facts and common sense?

I love it. I show you about 25 Texas teams that have alot of "BALANCE" in their offense (RUN/PASS). Heck, the funny think about it is those Texas teams running games "ARE" alot "STRONGER" than those OHIO teams.

You tell me to go take a look at those THREE ohio teams and I did. I even came back and POSTED what I found out for you flippy. I dont think those 3 ohio schools are all the schools in OHIO now do you Flippy. Lets see, you tell me to look at the 3 schools and I do and now ,, "WOO I'm wrong and all the school in Ohio are like those 3 schools in your OPINION."

Sorry Concha,, I still believe that most of the schools in OHIO are "RUN , RUN and RUN."

I love it also.. You tell me to look at MOELLER. MOELLER is probably the #1 passing school in OHIO. #1 in OHIO. Congrats . That's with their 2,700 yds passing in 11 games. If you want I can show you about 10 Texas 5A's that have passing games stronger than that... they just also have alot "STRONGER RUNNING GAMES" to go with it.

I tell you that the 2003 Elder team ran, ran and ran. Show me the stats of the 2003 ELDER team. You show me the 2004 ELDER stats.. WOW.. 2003 and 2004 are like 365 days apart the last time I looked.

I ask you why the Texas teams seem to have stronger balanced offensives and why the Texas teams seem to have "STRONGER running games" to go with those passing teams. You come back and make a comment about how the Ohio defensives just stack the box more... (COME ON).
It cant possibly be that those Texas offensives are just more balanced can it. It cant possibly be that those Texas teams actually do have "Stronger" running teams to go with strong passing." It cant be that huh ?I mean since alot of those Texas teams have freakin (Major D-1A) running backs on them. It cant be that ???

Last,, nice touch. Asking Dragon and so forth what they think about MY POST. The POST I write are to YOU.. "YOU".

[NewSherriffInTown]

I'm very suprised at some of the Texans here slamming Concha like this. This was sorta like a legal battle.


You may think the defense is guilty, but if the DA can't make the case, then you gotta go with not guilty.


Thats what happened here, Frog probably had good ideas about what he wanted to say, he just wasn't on top of things enough to put them on the forum.


End of discussion PLEASE.


(Concha wins this one)



Oh and Frog...

I wasn't saying you aren't a Texan. I just think it's funny that a New Yorker, a guy living in Georgia, and a guy living in Miami are talking Ohio vs Texas.


This other board that you keep talking about kicked you off of it.

[drgnbkr]

I say the only positive result of all of the hot air being spewed, is that it has'nt met the venom test that would provoke the mods to lock down the thread...all of the analysis is interesting, but the sniping is tedious and makes me zip through the responses without reading them...just my opine, humble that it is... :cool:

[concha]

I love it. I show you about 25 Texas teams that have alot of "BALANCE" in their offense (RUN/PASS). Heck, the funny think about it is those Texas teams running games "ARE" alot "STRONGER" than those OHIO teams.

[First, I have never claimed that Texas offenses tend to lack balance, have I? YOU called Ohio teams to be 90% run (which is assinine) and then you yourself post data showing Ohio teams to be LESS run heavy than Texas teams! When it is pointed out that you did this, then you shuck and jive and sing a new tune. Now the story is about how strong Texas running games are... Watching you attempt to argue is like watching the proverbial monkey trying to bugger a football. Hilarious.]

You tell me to go take a look at those THREE ohio teams and I did. I even came back and POSTED what I found out for you flippy. I dont think those 3 ohio schools are all the schools in OHIO now do you Flippy. Lets see, you tell me to look at the 3 schools and I do and now ,, "WOO I'm wrong and all the school in Ohio are like those 3 schools in your OPINION."

Sorry Concha,, I still believe that most of the schools in OHIO are "RUN , RUN and RUN."

[The difference here is that I am actually FROM Ohio. I follow high school football in Ohio. I actually know what I am talking about. YOU, on the other hand, make wild claims about Ohio based on essentially NOTHING. You are even given statistics, the name of a site to check more statistics and you still make assinine claims without checking to see if they are true or not. Tell us, WHY do you believe that Ohio teams do almost nothing but run? Becasue you watched an Elder game? Haven't you seen season-long stats for Elder that show them to pass quite a bit?

Texasfrog, You aren't from the state of Texas, you are from the state of DENIAL.]

I love it also.. You tell me to look at MOELLER. MOELLER is probably the #1 passing school in OHIO. #1 in OHIO. Congrats . That's with their 2,700 yds passing in 11 games. If you want I can show you about 10 Texas 5A's that have passing games stronger than that... they just also have alot "STRONGER RUNNING GAMES" to go with it.

["Probably"? Based on what? Have you looked into it? The fact is you know SQUAT. You are spouting off with complete ignorance. What a joke. According to you, Moe is from Ohio so they must run 90% of the time. If they pass only 10% for 2,700 yards, does that mean they ran for 24,300 yards (90%)?????]

I tell you that the 2003 Elder team ran, ran and ran. Show me the stats of the 2003 ELDER team. You show me the 2004 ELDER stats.. WOW.. 2003 and 2004 are like 365 days apart the last time I looked.

[You asked for 2004! I GAVE YOU WHAT YOU FRIGGING ASKED FOR! If you wanted 2003 stats, then ask for 2003! Is that hard to understand??? FYI, for 2003, Elder passed for about 30% to 40% of their yardage (36.3% in the regular season and 37.2% in the tournament). Look for yourself: Elder Sports Archives (http://eldersports.tripod.com/FootballHistory/index.htm) ..... The amazing thing is that you still won't admit that you are wrong! Will you?]

I ask you why the Texas teams seem to have stronger balanced offensives and why the Texas teams seem to have "STRONGER running games" to go with those passing teams. You come back and make a comment about how the Ohio defensives just stack the box more... (COME ON).

["Ohio defenses stack the box more"? I NEVER said that! You just make crap up. You kill me! What a freaking joke! And the stats we have seen show the OHIO teams to be more balanced in their pass:run ratios. You keep spewing the same garbage even when the numbers clearly show you to be wrong.]

It cant possibly be that those Texas offensives are just more balanced can it. It cant possibly be that those Texas teams actually do have "Stronger" running teams to go with strong passing." It cant be that huh ?I mean since alot of those Texas teams have freakin (Major D-1A) running backs on them. It cant be that ???

Last,, nice touch. Asking Dragon and so forth what they think about MY POST. The POST I write are to YOU.. "YOU".

To me and on a PUBLIC message board. Get the idea? If you want to send me PMs, then go that route.........

[Texasfrog]

To me and on a PUBLIC message board. Get the idea? If you want to send me PMs, then go that route.........


Dude its totally obvious that you dont know much about football. You come on a Texas board and talk about Texas football by showing defensive stats from Texas teams from the 50's , 60's , 70's and 80's without even knowing how Texas teams over just the last 8 years have changed 100% in their offensive make-up.

Every Texas team back in the day was "POWER RUNNING". Today in Texas almost 75% of the Texas 5A's have adopted a "Spread offense" that incorporates balance, motion, shifting" and about 25 different formations to get mismatches with defensive personnel. Its tough on the defenses to defend that.

You tell me to look at teams like Moeller, St. Xavier and Elder. I did. I even posted their STATS. Sorry amigo.. I dont think those 3 teams are 90% of the teams in OHIO no matter how you want to SPIN IT.

The real fact is Moeller is probably the #1 passing team in OHIO.. Wow, go figure that you would want me to look at the #1 passing team in OHIO.
Sorry, but I dont believe that 3 schools, "THAT YOU TELL ME TO LOOK AT" make up the majority of Ohio football . Daaaaa. and yes I still believe that the majority of schools in Ohio run the football for most of their offense.

I still see just from looking at those 3 Ohio teams that the Texas teams are putting out more "BALANCE" with alot "STRONGER" running games to go with the balance. But all you have to do is take a look at the personnel that is with those Texas backfields and you can see why they are so balanced and have strong running games. Their loaded with alot of D-1A talent. Unless you dont consider schools like LSU, Oklahoma, Tx , Tx Tech, Tx A&M, Miami and countless other D-1A schools. Plus, they are also loaded with D-1AA kids.

I could throw in the summer 7 on 7 and strong Spring programs and with strong summer programs but why ?

Last and one more time at this: I've told you about 100 times that I believe the 2004 Colerain team was good. They were right there with the Texas top #15 teams. " No better / No worse". I can tell you that by watching them ( skill play, offense line play, defense play). They would match up very good with about 15 teams in Texas.

Two teams from 2004 Texas that they remind me of the most.

First -- Midland Lee
Second-- Clear Lake.

strong running teams with athletic QB, strong runners, big o-line & stingy defense (with athletes).

I think the two administrators (Katy boys) of this site can tell you just how good the 2004 Clear Lake team was. They were solid and scrappy.

I dont have anything against you. I do take offense to some of the comments from the past you have made about Texas football even though you deny it. I was there when you and your California buddy were saying everything and anything to knock and teardown Texas football.

1. Texas has average national teams.
2. Texas teams dont play defense.
3. SLC is way over-rated.
4. Texas "Playoff" are inferior to Ohio playoffs.
5. To about 100 other things.


You base 99% of your arguments on so called "NATIONAL POLLS". Anyone with an active brain cells knows that those so called National polls are very subjective and opininated and bias.

My take and how I feel ( My opinion) on things that I have seen in person and on film. Texas has the best depth of quality teams in the nation (#1 thru #25 ) will and can play with any States #1 team very very good.

Texas would lose some of those games but we would also win a ton of them. Texas has great depth.

[nsmustang]

big daddy that goes for all dominant programs so you cannot go by that. lufkin had their starters out by half or by the early third quarter and called off the dogs in the vast majority of their games because of blowouts. i am sure it was the same thing for slc, judson, katy etc etc. blowouts are part of being on a great program. i have never seen a team take their starters out in the 1st quarter by the way?? i hardly ever have seen them take them out in the 2nd quarter and i have watched a lot of football. that is hard to believe?? either you are not thinking correctly or your head coach is the nicest football coach in history.

North Shore 2003 did it maybe once. They did it also in '04 against Pasadena Memorial and did not use any timeouts to speed the game up. There was a reason for that as PM was a new school and the team was all jr's and sophs. The score was 88 -0 and believe me, i did not enjoy it. Aymond played every one on the bench and the waterboy's younger sister. It happens, rarely, but it happens.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

North Shore 2003 did it maybe once. They did it also in '04 against Pasadena Memorial and did not use any timeouts to speed the game up. There was a reason for that as PM was a new school and the team was all jr's and sophs. The score was 88 -0 and believe me, i did not enjoy it. Aymond played every one on the bench and the waterboy's younger sister. It happens, rarely, but it happens.
I remember back in the early 1990s Hamshire-Fannett took their starters out by the middle of the second quarter. They ended up winning 71-0. the game was decided before the half. The first blowout of many that i've seen. Oh, LP vs. Killeen Ellison back in 2001 also, Outlaw could've took them out after the first. Ellison was finished before they even stepped on the field that night..LOL :eek:

[Big Daddy Cool]

mustang i have to ask did you attend every game of the 03' and 04' season? If you did and you were paying attention you would have seen that no starters played in the second half of any games both years except come playoff time. And not only does Aymond generally take them out earily but against teams such as Memorial he offers to keep the clock runnign the entire second half of the game. And i agree with you that game in particular was one of the hardest games to watch that i have ever seen. I really feel bad for those Memorial players as they had to endure that whooping, but then again those know the history of the program before Aymond know we were on the recieveing end of many massacres like that.

[concha]

Dude its totally obvious that you dont know much about football. You come on a Texas board and talk about Texas football by showing defensive stats from Texas teams from the 50's , 60's , 70's and 80's without even knowing how Texas teams over just the last 8 years have changed 100% in their offensive make-up.

[I showed stats. They indicate that SLC's defense was not the greatest on the owrld last season. Good. But no more tha that really. Even the write-up about them on this site says so. But i don't see you yelling at them.]

Every Texas team back in the day was "POWER RUNNING". Today in Texas almost 75% of the Texas 5A's have adopted a "Spread offense" that incorporates balance, motion, shifting" and about 25 different formations to get mismatches with defensive personnel. Its tough on the defenses to defend that.

You tell me to look at teams like Moeller, St. Xavier and Elder. I did. I even posted their STATS. Sorry amigo.. I dont think those 3 teams are 90% of the teams in OHIO no matter how you want to SPIN IT.

I am from Ohio. I know that in Ohio D1, only Colerain runs as much as you claim. I have "spun" nothing. You keep flapping your gums about Ohio Ohio teams running 90% of the time. BASED ON WHAT? You have NO evidence of this. None. Nada. Zilch. Zip. What a clown.

The real fact is Moeller is probably the #1 passing team in OHIO.. Wow, go figure that you would want me to look at the #1 passing team in OHIO.

Stop acting as if I asked you to look only at Moeller. Untrue. And you have NO evidence that Moe was the top passing team in Ohio last year. You just making up these fantasy claims and vomiting them all over the place. Face it. You just plain make crap up. Not to mention that you are just too damned lazy to even attempt to educate yourself.

Sorry, but I dont believe that 3 schools, "THAT YOU TELL ME TO LOOK AT" make up the majority of Ohio football . Daaaaa. and yes I still believe that the majority of schools in Ohio run the football for most of their offense.

[AGAIN - for the 10,000th time - BASED ON WHAT? You have no information to support such a claim. You MAKE CRAP UP.]

I still see just from looking at those 3 Ohio teams that the Texas teams are putting out more "BALANCE" with alot "STRONGER" running games to go with the balance. But all you have to do is take a look at the personnel that is with those Texas backfields and you can see why they are so balanced and have strong running games. Their loaded with alot of D-1A talent. Unless you dont consider schools like LSU, Oklahoma, Tx , Tx Tech, Tx A&M, Miami and countless other D-1A schools. Plus, they are also loaded with D-1AA kids.

I could throw in the summer 7 on 7 and strong Spring programs and with strong summer programs but why ?

Last and one more time at this: I've told you about 100 times that I believe the 2004 Colerain team was good. They were right there with the Texas top #15 teams. " No better / No worse". I can tell you that by watching them ( skill play, offense line play, defense play). They would match up very good with about 15 teams in Texas.

Two teams from 2004 Texas that they remind me of the most.

First -- Midland Lee
Second-- Clear Lake.

strong running teams with athletic QB, strong runners, big o-line & stingy defense (with athletes).

I think the two administrators (Katy boys) of this site can tell you just how good the 2004 Clear Lake team was. They were solid and scrappy.

I dont have anything against you. I do take offense to some of the comments from the past you have made about Texas football even though you deny it. I was there when you and your California buddy [Who is this "California buddy" of mine?] were saying everything and anything to knock and teardown Texas football.

1. Texas has average national teams. [Lie. Plain and simple.]
2. Texas teams dont play defense. [The closest I have come to this is suggesting that Texas might emphasize offense more than defense relative to Ohio. So you ignore context and exaggerate. What a shock.]
3. SLC is way over-rated. [Patent lie. I have called SLC a better program in recent years than any Ohio program.]
4. Texas "Playoff" are inferior to Ohio playoffs. [I believe there are no better playoffs then Ohio D1. Does this I think Texas' playoffs are bad? No. Not at all. Ohio's playoff system just has all of the big dogs in one division whereas in Texas the best programs are spread over 2 or 3 or 4.]
5. To about 100 other things. [Since you either cannot support or are simply too lazy to support any of your claims at all, why not just say "1 billion" instead of 100?]


You base 99% of your arguments on so called "NATIONAL POLLS". Anyone with an active brain cells knows that those so called National polls are very subjective and opininated and bias.

[I do? Let me guess... this is your opinion and you won't back it up, right?]

My take and how I feel ( My opinion) on things that I have seen in person and on film. Texas has the best depth of quality teams in the nation (#1 thru #25 ) [I agree. Just as I have agrred on this point before.] will and can play with any States #1 team very very good.

Texas would lose some of those games but we would also win a ton of them. Texas has great depth.


>>>>>>>>

[PackAttack2005]

I personally can't wait until until September 9th to come and go. I can't wait to get this game behind us so we can all go back to our respective states and just play some football. There is nothing that Concha and Frog can say or do to completely substantiate the differences between Texas and Ohio HS football. Some things are obvious differences, while some are not easily defined.

The is no way to judge the parity of the football played in both states except to have head to head play over a period of years, other than that, everything else is circumstantial comparisons.

You both can juggle the numbers game all you want and it will not prove anything, BUT there are similarities and differences between the top programs in both states.

Please guys give it a rest, because your not moving off center very much, let the game be played in September and let's see what happens.

[pack4life]

Sorry off topic but PackAttack can you give me the link to the website with the Lufkin Panther games on them? My favorites somehow got erased.

[PackAttack2005]

http://cityoflufkin.com/panthers.htm

Pack4life, here is the link for you.

www.lufkinpanthersports.com

[Texasfrog]

Why dont show me I'm wrong than Concheee. Dont just say "YOUR WRONG." Show me a Ohio (large school) that is a top #15 Ohio school that has a better passing game than Moeller.

See, you just call people liars. Show me !!!!


National Polls. Most people that have been around high school football for along time know they are a joke. Flat and simple. They have about as much creditability to them as little Green Man on the moon. They are subjective & bias. But, hey if people like you buy into them "More power to ya."

I still love it. You see that Texas teams have more balance on the offense ( I SHOW YOU THE STATS) & Texas teams have stronger running games. I can show you alot of Texas teams that have stronger offensives in than ( Moeller, St. Xavier, LaSalle & Elder).

Whats your answer ? You still reason that Ohio has stronger defensives. NICE., dont go bet alot of money in Vegas on that ok.

Probably the real answer is: Texas just has stronger all around offensives.

[concha]

I personally can't wait until until September 9th to come and go. I can't wait to get this game behind us so we can all go back to our respective states and just play some football. There is nothing that Concha and Frog can say or do to completely substantiate the differences between Texas and Ohio HS football. Some things are obvious differences, while some are not easily defined.

The is no way to judge the parity of the football played in both states except to have head to head play over a period of years, other than that, everything else is circumstantial comparisons.

You both can juggle the numbers game all you want and it will not prove anything, BUT there are similarities and differences between the top programs in both states.

Please guys give it a rest, because your not moving off center very much, let the game be played in September and let's see what happens.

PA2005,

The problem here is that Texasfrog is making wild claims about Ohio that are, IN FACT, easy to prove or disprove. But rather than do that, he simply makes things up and ignores any and all information that disproves it. And he is too lazy to actually back anything up.

Examples:

"Moeller is the #1 passing team in Ohio". [No proof. None. It just makes him happy as a pig in poop to believe it]

"Ohio teams run and run and run '3 yards and a cloud of dust'" and "Texas teams have more balanced offenses" [In fact, the only evidence we have seen shows that Ohio teams tend to run LESS and have more balanced pass:run ratios. This is completely ignored by him despite the fact that HE was the guy who posted the data!!]

You will note that I do not dispute the talent Texas produces, or that it has great depth and great programs. That would be foolish. Unlike Frog, I don't attempt to fly in the face of facts.

I do not twist numbers. If you really think I have done so, please show me where.

[Texasfrog]

I personally can't wait until until September 9th to come and go. I can't wait to get this game behind us so we can all go back to our respective states and just play some football. There is nothing that Concha and Frog can say or do to completely substantiate the differences between Texas and Ohio HS football. Some things are obvious differences, while some are not easily defined.

The is no way to judge the parity of the football played in both states except to have head to head play over a period of years, other than that, everything else is circumstantial comparisons.

You both can juggle the numbers game all you want and it will not prove anything, BUT there are similarities and differences between the top programs in both states.

Please guys give it a rest, because your not moving off center very much, let the game be played in September and let's see what happens.

Ya, I've made it perfectly clear to the clown about a 100 times that the 2004 Colerain team was good. Judging from what I saw on DVD in the Ohio State title game against Mckinley (who wasnt very good at all). I would put Colerain right in with the top #15 Texas teams. "No better or worse".

I think his feeling get hurt because he percieves that to be a put-down. He doesnt know that its a compliment to 2004 Colerain.

They (2004 Colerain) were " no faster, no bigger, just as skilled, well coached ( Line play) and condition " as any of the top #15 Texas teams.

[Texasfrog]

PA2005,

The problem here is that Texasfrog is making wild claims about Ohio that are, IN FACT, easy to prove or disprove. But rather than do that, he simply makes things up and ignores any and all information that disproves it. And he is too lazy to actually back anything up.

Examples:

"Moeller is the #1 passing team in Ohio". [No proof. None. It just makes him happy as a pig in poop to believe it]

"Ohio teams run and run and run '3 yards and a cloud of dust'" and "Texas teams have more balanced offenses" [In fact, the only evidence we have seen shows that Ohio teams tend to run LESS and have more balanced pass:run ratios. This is completely ignored by him despite the fact that HE was the guy who posted the data!!]

You will note that I do not dispute the talent Texas produces, or that it has great depth and great programs. That would be foolish. Unlike Frog, I don't attempt to fly in the face of facts.

I do not twist numbers. If you really think I have done so, please show me where.

HOW, HOW, HOW, HOw, HOW in the WORLD to you even remotely come up with the idea that Ohio teams are more balanced ?????

HOW ????????? From looking at the Stats of 4 teams ( Moeller, St. Xavier, Elder and LaSalle) ??????

Moeller = 379 yard per game. ( 1,462 rush & 2,714 yd pass) x 11 games.
LaSalle = 331 yard per game. ( 1,233 rush & 2,078 yd pass) x 10 games.
St.Xavier = 325 yard per game. ( 1,869 rush & 1,388 yd pass) x 10 games.
Elder = 319 yard per game. ( 1,459 rush & 1,738 yd pass) x 10 games.

* I guess the reason its just 10 games is that's all they did stats for.


I showed you freakin about 25 Texas teams that had MORE BALANCE than those 4 Ohio teams clown.

Now you say that Ohio has more BALANCE ??? What planet are you living on honestly ???

[concha]

Why dont show me I'm wrong than Concheee. Dont just say "YOUR WRONG." Show me a Ohio (large school) that is a top #15 Ohio school that has a better passing game than Moeller.

See, you just call people liars. Show me !!!!

[While you have lied about several things, the problem about Moeller is that you claim them to be #1, but you really don't know that. You are GUESSING - making something up to support an argument even though you don't know if it is true or not. I will not waste any more of my my time doing your work. I note that I have shown you Elder stats and given you links to Elder sites when you challenged me, and we haven't heard a peep from you about Elder since. The reason? I know what I am talking about and you make crap up and then just change your tune and make different crap up when you are proven wrong about something]


National Polls. Most people that have been around high school football for along time know they are a joke. Flat and simple. They have about as much creditability to them as little Green Man on the moon. They are subjective & bias. But, hey if people like you buy into them "More power to ya."

[Can you show me a few references I have made to national polls in any of the posts I have made on this site, please. I won't hold my breath....]

I still love it. You see that Texas teams have more balance on the offense ( I SHOW YOU THE STATS) & Texas teams have stronger running games. I can show you alot of Texas teams that have stronger offensives in than ( Moeller, St. Xavier, LaSalle & Elder).

Whats your answer ? You still reason that Ohio has stronger defensives. NICE., dont go bet alot of money in Vegas on that ok.

Probably the real answer is: Texas just has stronger all around offensives.

As regards the rest, you talk "balance" and you don't even understand what the hell "balance" is. Balance is relative. It is a ratio of one thing to another. When you figure it out, let me know.

[concha]

Ya, I've made it perfectly clear to the clown about a 100 times that the 2004 Colerain team was good. Judging from what I saw on DVD in the Ohio State title game against Mckinley (who wasnt very good at all). I would put Colerain right in with the top #15 Texas teams. "No better or worse".

I think his feeling get hurt because he percieves that to be a put-down. He doesnt know that its a compliment to 2004 Colerain.

They (2004 Colerain) were " no faster, no bigger, just as skilled, well coached ( Line play) and condition " as any of the top #15 Texas teams.

Why are you bringing this back up?

[concha]

HOW, HOW, HOW, HOw, HOW in the WORLD to you even remotely come up with the idea that Ohio teams are more balanced ?????

HOW ????????? From looking at the Stats of 4 teams ( Moeller, St. Xavier, Elder and LaSalle) ??????

Moeller = 379 yard per game. ( 1,462 rush & 2,714 yd pass) x 11 games.
LaSalle = 331 yard per game. ( 1,233 rush & 2,078 yd pass) x 10 games.
St.Xavier = 325 yard per game. ( 1,869 rush & 1,388 yd pass) x 10 games.
Elder = 319 yard per game. ( 1,459 rush & 1,738 yd pass) x 10 games.

* I guess the reason its just 10 games is that's all they did stats for.


I showed you freakin about 25 Texas teams that had MORE BALANCE than those 4 Ohio teams clown.

Now you say that Ohio has more BALANCE ??? What planet are you living on honestly ???

Look you dimwit, "balance" is a ratio of one thing to another. Take total yardage rushing (or rushing plays) as a % of total offensive yardage (or plays). The teams that come closest to 50% are the most "balanced". The stats shown so far indicate that Ohio teams are more balanced. Do the math.

The problem is that you don't even understand the freaking concept of "balance".

[Texasfrog]

Look , "balance" is a ratio of one thing to another. Take total yardage rushing (or rushing plays) as a % of total offensive yardage (or plays). The teams that come closest to 50% are the most "balanced". The stats shown so far indicate that Ohio teams are more balanced. Do the math.

The problem is that you don't even understand the freaking concept of "balance".

Look .. DO YOU KNOW WHAT BALANCE IS. How do you get freakin balance from:

Moeller : 2,714 passing -- 1,462 rushing ??? Balance ??
LaSalle : 2,078 passing -- 1,233 rushing ??? Balance ??

Wow, you're real good with MATH huh ???? Maybe its relative . Haha.

Relative is a nice term to use when you're DOUBLE TALKING.

I would say teams like (Texas).

Woodlands : 2,052 passing --- 1,879 rushing
Denton Ryan: 2,854 passing --- 2,528 rushing
Westside : 2,246 passing --- 2,527 rushing
Allen High : 2,329 passing --- 2,264 rushing
Midland High: 2,725 passing --- 2,360 rushing

Those are BALANCE.. you know relatively.

But, you and you're very large "Tap dancing steps" keep dodging the following: Why do Texas teams have just as much passing on many teams but they also have alot stronger running games ? That's what it appears like when you look at the Stats.

Southlake : 4,582 passing -- 3,000 rushing.
Abilene : 2,939 passing -- 2,279 rushing.
Katy : 1,372 passing -- 3,257 rushing.
Tyler Lee : 1,398 passing -- 2,550 rushing (9 games stats)

I mean.. look at Tyler Lee stats in 9 games:

Tyler Lee : 1,398 passing -- 2,550 rushing = 3,948 ( 9 games)
St.Xav. : 1,388 passing -- 1,869 rushing = 3,257 ( 10 games)

That's with adding one more game to St. Xavier total..

Sorry Concha. The reasoning of Ohio defensives do this or that doesnt hold alot of water. At least to me.

[SLC-Dad]

Good God KT's........isn't time for this thread to go to the archive.......if this isn't the most tiresome d*#% thread of alltime, I don't know what is...... :mad:

[Texasfrog]

Good God KT's........isn't time for this thread to go to the archive.......if this isn't the most tiresome d*#% thread of alltime, I don't know what is...... :mad:

I agree with ya DAD. I think the point has been proven. Texas offensives are just plain better than our friends to the North.

[NewSherriffInTown]

Too bad that wasn't your original point, and too bad Concha never disputed that Texas offenses were better.

[Texasfrog]

Too bad that wasn't your original point, and too bad Concha never disputed that Texas offenses were better.


The name of the thread is "Texas offense". Plus, I would say you're right. Its pretty indisputable that Texas has very high powered offensives.

Just showing some of the well "OILED" Texas offensives and how balanced they are with very good Passing games and extremely Strong running games.

Go back and read post #1 of this thread and tell me what the original point of this thread was since you know it.

[concha]

Go back and read post #1 of this thread and tell me what the original point of this thread was since you know it.

Originally Posted by NewSherriffInTown
"Too bad that wasn't your original point, and too bad Concha never disputed that Texas offenses were better."

NSIT,
Right. But Texasfrog doesn't let facts and common sense get in the way of his posts. You should know that by now. I imagine it was this kind of crap that got him eeeeeeeeeeeee-jected from at least one other prominent Texas board (where he then tried to return under other names).

This is a sterling example. He claims that this post was just "Texas Offenses". But go check post #5 (made by Frog himself), where he does nothing but post stats of NON-Texas schools. And guess what? Several Ohio schools are displayed prominently right at the top of the post.

It's a joke. Rainman was famous for "10 minutes to Woppner...10 minutes to Woppner". Texasfrog appears to be betting on "Ohio teams run 90% of the time....3 yards and a cloud of dust" to earn fame.

At least Rainman was right.

[RockinL]

..... and too bad Concha never disputed that Texas offenses were better.

Not on this site anyway....
:rolleyes:

[Texasfrog]

Originally Posted by NewSherriffInTown
"Too bad that wasn't your original point, and too bad Concha never disputed that Texas offenses were better."

NSIT,
Right. But Texasfrog doesn't let facts and common sense get in the way of his posts. You should know that by now. I imagine it was this kind of crap that got him eeeeeeeeeeeee-jected from at least one other prominent Texas board (where he then tried to return under other names).

This is a sterling example. He claims that this post was just "Texas Offenses". But go check post #5 (made by Frog himself), where he does nothing but post stats of NON-Texas schools. And guess what? Several Ohio schools are displayed prominently right at the top of the post.

It's a joke. Rainman was famous for "10 minutes to Woppner...10 minutes to Woppner". Texasfrog appears to be betting on "Ohio teams run 90% of the time....3 yards and a cloud of dust" to earn fame.

At least Rainman was right.


I know its tough to swallow but go ahead and do it. You make a post comparing Southlake defense (2004) to Texas defensives from the (50's, 60's ,70's and 80's) and how their DEFENSIVE STATS arent that good compared to past Texas champs.

I tell you that Texas offensive had adapted and changed over the year and Texas 5A's are seeing alot more wide open Spread offensives. I show the Stats to those offensives (Run & Pass yardage) for many of those top Texas schools. The stats of todays Texas offensives dont LIE when you compare them to some other State.

Texas offensive are more wide open and the yardage amounts (rush & pass) to Lie to that fact. Especially when you look at the athletes that are coming out of these offensives and moving on to the next levels of higher football.

PS. But I did hear a funny idea from a poster from Ohio. He stated that his State focuses more on defense and puts its better athletes on defense.

" I say that if that's what you want to believe, go with it." I think the Texas offensive would be just that good and put those kind of STATS on any team in the Nation (Texas, California, Florida , Ohio and so forth) because I believe that those Texas offensives are that well coached (system) and have very good athletes in them.

PS.. If you think that Texas teams dont put alot of emphaises on DEFENSE.

Evangel was Louisiana State 2004 State Champs. They averaged 44 pts on a game on (Non-Texas teams they played) on the year.

Texarkana, Tx (4A) - 2 --- ECA 9
Longview, Tx - 24 --- ECA 21
Abilene , Tx - 19 --- ECA 14

Evangel averaged 15 pts on offense against those 3 Texas teams.

ECA has one of the Nations more respected offensives and is recognized by many so called " EXPERTS" as being one of the better offensives in the nation every year. ECA averaged 15 pts against the three Texas teams they played last year and they averaged 44 pts on everyone else they played.

The only other two teams that played them similiar was:

Springdale, Ark = 38 ECA = 14
ECA = 21 WM = 20 (Louisiana Title game).

I would say that judging from those 3 Texas teams that played ECA last season that Texas teams focus on defense pretty good. That's unless you think 2004 Louisiana State champ (ECA) really doesnt have a good offense ??

I'll say it again. Texas teams play solid defense and have great offensives.

[NewSherriffInTown]

(The Crowd Goes Wild)


Frog, I'm impressed, you finally showed stats and made a point with it. That was excellent stat usage right there. Finally!!!


Concha, you have to give him that one...that was finally a decent point.

[Texasfrog]

(The Crowd Goes Wild)


Frog, I'm impressed, you finally showed stats and made a point with it. That was excellent stat usage right there. Finally!!!


Concha, you have to give him that one...that was finally a decent point.


Thanks Sherriff. I knew the "Stat man" would catch that point.

I was going to also point out that the worse butt kicking St.Iggy (Ohio) took last year was to St.Francis (NY) = 28-13 but why ?

The only other team that in Ohio that beat St.Iggy even as close as that New York team was Glenville (OH) = 22 -14.

I just think its funny that I point out that it seem that Texas has some very powerful OFFENSIVES when you look at the STATS from many of the top Texas teams compared to some others.

The "reasoning" of .. " Well our State ( fill in the blank) puts more emphaises on Defense really doesnt hold alot of water when you look at some of the Texas matchups against other States powerhouse teams (Louisiana mainly). Who I believe always has 3 to 4 teams that can play with anyone in the Nation. Texas seems to have played pretty strong defense the last few years against those highly National recognized teams from Louisiana.

Heck, even back in the 90's when Evangel had some high powered offensives. Many of their toughest games came agaisnt Texas schools like John Tyler, Tx and Marshall, Tx.. Those ECA teams back in the 90's were legit top #5 National teams.

[Katyexrb29]

I can't take it anymore!!!! You to need to just ignore each other and move on. Please!!!! For everyones sake!!!! It used to be fun reading and responding to other posters. Now it seems almost every thread is Ohio vs Texas. If I see the words Concha, or Texasfrog on another thread, Im going to freak!!! Im just tired of the pointless fighting. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[dragonsdaddy]

there's an ignore button under the user cp at the top that works wonders.

[Katyexrb29]

I'll look into that. :D

[Shoot2thrill]

there's an ignore button under the user cp at the top that works wonders.

Sure does ddaddy, I just added a couple of users to my ignore list...hmm, I wonder whom it could be....! :cool:

[Texasfrog]

I can't take it anymore!!!! You to need to just ignore each other and move on. Please!!!! For everyones sake!!!! It used to be fun reading and responding to other posters. Now it seems almost every thread is Ohio vs Texas. If I see the words Concha, or Texasfrog on another thread, Im going to freak!!! Im just tired of the pointless fighting. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I agree with you 100%. I'm done talking with him. I'll let the REL boys do it now.

Tyler Lee = 34
Colerain = 17

Everyone has a right for a prediction on the game and that mine. We'll see how it all plays out in the near future.